Joe and Jada - Shakur Stevenson calls out Ryan Garcia & Devin Haney, talks dominant performance vs. Teofimo Lopez

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Undefeated five-time world champion Shakur Stevenson pulls up to Joe and Jada fresh off his dominant performance at Madison Square Garden. The Newark native gets real about how the Teofimo Lopez fight played out exactly as he'd envisioned it, Bud Crawford's text message that confirmed everything he needed to know about the fight, and what Teofimo's corner was doing all wrong. Plus, Shakur calls out BOTH Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney, talks playing pickleball with J Prince, and reveals the toughest matchup of his boxing career. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet 5:00 – Teofimo's father in the corner: why bad coaching cost him 10:00 – Bud Crawford's pre-fight text 13:30 – Shakur talks his Puerto Rican roots 23:00 – Giving back to Newark; why community means more than accolades 27:00 – Pickleball with J Prince and how the obsession started 36:00 – Boxers who inspired Shakur: Floyd, Crawford, Whitaker, Usyk and more 40:00 – Toughest fight of his career 49:00 – Ryan Garcia & Devin Haney callouts 52:00 – Locker room playlist: 50 Cent, Jay-Z & more 56:00 – Fat Joe story hour: fighting a drug kingpin (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Olympic medalists five-time world champion number three power for pal greatest fighter in the world undefeated professional record multi-division world title

How this young fighter on the planet fucking right. Just made history in the world's greatest arena. Ladies and gentlemen, giving off of some course, Steve. You know, what on, what on? Welcome to the Joe and Jane

this show, my brother. Put on a hell of a spectacular performance. Now, I've been a, we fan the boxers, we fan to yours, we had Eddie Earnoye. And after speaking of him and having him on the interview, he may be looking to fight in a different way. But, you know, people are boxing for different things. Some people want to see an excited fight.

Some people want to see some crazy stuff happening, this, that. But that, if you learn about the sport, you can learn the difference in different boxes. I was already a fan of yours. When he broke down, what you do and how you do, And if you was to just be you in that fight, what was going to happen? And everything he said, I was in my crib going, holy shit, this is fucking crazy.

He's like, it made them look like a someone come louder, you're boxing, and you put on the spectacular. You know what I mean? And he's like, it's not going to be, it's going to be born, but his chicour is not going to get hit. He's going to meet the other guy and everything. I'm like, yo, this is fucking amazing how he said. No, me, not.

Maybe that's why he's in his profession. And we do what we do. But congratulations, there's nothing but. Did you play that out just the way of waiting your head? I knew it was a tough fight. Like, I knew he was a good fighter. But every time I sat there, I watched him, I'm like, shit, he makes so much mistakes to it. I'm going to capitalize off of every mistake.

So honestly, everything I seen on film and how likely what I was going to do, it happened on fighting. Everything, like, from first round of 12, I knew, like, how I was going to be. But he's a good fight. I give him respect, and I appreciate him for the opportunity. So respect me, him, but, you know, I always got out. He gets tired of being saying the same story all the time. Famous fight, Floyd Me, whether what a greatest of all time made me grace. He was losing this fight.

to some Mexican guy. In about the six rounds, he switched up the whole shit on him. And won it at the end. When he won, he started talking about the old video two. Jack Dempsey, this, dad, I had to switch it up like this and this neck. Where you go in there, if you played out of your head,

suppose he switched up the whole shit on you, how would you have adjusted to him switching up? It's old, because if I was a boss, I would have switched up the whole shit. I would have been like, okay, okay, I know he got my number like this. I got to do something different. If I'm being rude with you, it's nothing he could have did that night. That was going to change, the outcome of what I was doing.

Like, I already had my mindset on him. Lee dominating this fight, me winning this fight. So it didn't matter what he did. I was going to be me. I was going to be coming that night. I thought the way I always think about it, right? I used to say back in the days, the guy was Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson to put you to sleep quick.

Yeah. And I always said, yo, I have to fight Mike Tyson. Like in the street, club, whatever. I got the hook on him so fast and hopefully get lucky. Yo. Nah, I ain't going to lie. No. That wasn't the best.

Oh, no, he was going to knock me out. But if I try to fight with him or a box or something like this, I'm done. So, like, the problem with T. Fimo, right? Who's a great boxer? Besides his father, his father's a whole problem. No, it's real talk. His father is not... He's got to go. Pops got to go.

Pop's got to go. He's in the corner. I watched the fight. He's in the corner. You'll fight back. That's not a plan. Oh, I'm saying. I'm saying. That's not... That's not... See, he was in the other corner, so you probably... No, no, but he's watching. You can't relit.

You're watching that whole fight. I noticed that about you. No, you're watching the corner. His dad was saying the craziest things to him. You're losing. Fight. You're losing. What the fuck is that? I need somebody to say, left jab, cross.

Body, what the fuck is that? My only thing about this, though, when he been doing this, his dad been doing this, Tio's been just good enough to be able to get away with this shit. No, no, no, but with somebody like you, it had to be, He had to respect somebody's opinion, and he had to have a real coach game with a game plan. I'm not going to lie. It wasn't going to make a difference.

I know, but you got to guarantee y'all. You got to understand. You got to understand. You got to understand. At least it would have been something because the problem that happened with Tiafino, right? We got his answer. Hold up. They gas.

him. Right? So he was ringed fighter, number one fighter. He wasn't gassed, though. He was a good fighter. Listen to what I'm saying. No, they gassed him and called him number one. He was a good fighter. You number one, he's thinking he's going jab for jab, move for move, technique for technique. That's where he got it all. That's what happened with you. He made history. Fabulous on that, on that versus. We never talk about that. Fab tried to go in there and put freestyles and all that way. He should have just been doing the fucking hit. He went to your game plan.

You understand what I'm saying? So with you, he tried to prove that. He believed it. Yo, I got enough skills. Shakur Stevenson, I could go jab for jabber. He fucked up. He should have went and tried to, like, rough you up or something. But he's used to having enough skills to where he fight guards and he's in control.

Like, he's used to doing things that's like he's. Well, every now and then, you got to elevate, just like, we got to elevate. every now and then you got to look at yourself for him. I'm hoping he's a great fighter. He can look at it whether he can't fuck with you or not. He got to look at his corner and he needs to step up that. Every now and this, fuck that. You got to let him finish talk.

What's so with Bud? How important was Bud to you for this fight and, you know, in your career, period. Yo, it's crazy. He kind of gave me like, I ain't going to say he gave me the gameplay. But he kind of texts me something that kind of helped. That's what fish you. So when he texted it to me and I looked at what he said, but I've been watching him and I already was thinking the same thing,

it kind of confirmed what I knew. So I'm like, okay, just stick with this. Stick with this on fight night. And it's going to bother him. And then on fight night, when I did that shit, I'm like, damn, this shit is fucking him up. He cannot stop this shit. This shit is bothering.

He didn't know what to do. Like his mind just went into a whole. I'm gonna tell you how you really for me. Then you land the most amount of jabs. I don't know. I'm gonna tell you what to stop. Me off. If I was Tia Fima,

I'll tell you where to fuck me up. You smiling the whole, that shit would have had me. Dumb tight. You smiling the whole shit like that. I would have been, I'd have to bring the machete out in the ring. Fuck it.

The whole place is going. going down in that bitch. That shit, you smiling at them. Bossing his ass. Now, with a fight, like, it's no, it's not a, you landed 252 jack. Holy.

Somebody made some noise for that. I thought I'd landed that most in my last fight. It was, it was two, it was two-thirty something. Street fight. Two-thirty something. Come on now. 232 jabs.

I don't believe that. It's a long-ass street. I believe you race cocky-car up the block faster than the 230 jazz. You know, I once beat up a karate king. You see your man, Tomulose. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. Kid to me?

I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. No, no, no. I put some niggas down, too. Knocked him out. Yo, y'all-kish. I touched the pavement. What were you talking about?

You, you're on your shit today. He must have smoked some shit from California. He still got Callie? I'm fasting. He still got Callie Whee? I'm fasting, brother. You fasting? I love you.

Man, that's great. Man, I fast. You ever seen fat, fat Joe? Five hundred. Like the real fucking, like the kingpin. Lean back? Yeah, I lost all that shit fast once a weed, keto. You know, I'm pitching the shutout, man.

No glizzies. I'm doing just fine. At the game tonight. Tuna fish salad. I'm not in. Thanks for going for that. No diet Pepsi. Yeah, yeah.

I snuck in the diet sunk this here, too. That's part of the, it's going, I'm going, leaning back. I'm going light, but I'm getting back on the stuff. It's bad. But, you know, I'm working on it. You know, you see, I'm drinking water. You know what I'm saying? In any case.

I've seen something, and we know it. I don't care. Where's that? Where you go, whatever. When a Puerto Rican see that flag somewhere, I don't care if I'm driving in the highway, and there's a flag out the project window. It's something.

It's like the Batman side. Let me ask the brother, why did you put the Puerto Rican flag on your shorts? See, I'll put it on my shorts because, like, people don't realize I am, like, that's my blood. But like, I'm in Puerto Rican. Yeah, that's my blood. Yes.

Stop. But let me explain it, though. Nah, let me explain it, though. Let me explain it, though. My dad knew you had that. Where did he? My dad is Puerto Rican, so I never really, but I never really got to really be around him, like, my entire life.

He wasn't in my life, so forget it. It was hard to, like, really claim. that I'm Puerto Rican or even say it because, like, I really am, but I don't know my dad. But when I got to meet him, then I got to, like, build a relationship with him. He died.

So it was like, I never really kind of, you feel me? So for me, it was hard to really, like, have that, like, just embrace it. But now I'm like, fuck it. It is what it is. Part of my blood is part of who I am. And let it be known. And we pop and beep.

Fuck, talking about you. A new cousin, right? You know, we're in the fluid. Trinity cap. Nah, let me tell you something. Man, I was so proud of that flag on there. But sometimes you got black boxes that grew up with so many Puerto Ricans that when you go to the gym, they don't have a Puerto Rican flag.

Like, even Floyd used to have the Puerto Rican flag Rihanna, but he wasn't Puerto Rican. But when I seen that, I said, man, I got to see what this about right here because we need that in the system. Yeah. You know, we, you know, Puerto Rican's, my mom's, my mom used to throw a party if it rains. Yeah. My projects, it's raining. Okay, bring out the Benning and so on out here. Sousa Wednesdays, like the middle, they throw a party for everything.

But in a similar way, my father's Cuban. Yeah. But I grew up with the Puerto Ricans up here. My Cuban family was more in Miami. Yeah. And so a lot of Cuban fans be like, yo, you say you're Cuban now, but you wasn't really, you was like 100% Puerto Rican. I always knew my Cuban family,

but I grew up with my Puerto Rican, say 90% of my life, 95. Like me? Yeah, like you. But we're proud of you, brother. Either way, man, you are pound for pound the best in the game. And the only guy I would compare

to be the best in the game would be Bud. Yeah. And he retired. Yep. And I don't feel like you ducking nobody. I see you, you start smiling at him. What's so what kind of been.

Oh, man. Oh, man. Is he good or is it hype? Because he looked mean. No, I think it's hype. He's not like no skillful fighter. He's not, he don't know shit. Oh, no, he's going to get his ass.

His knowledge is limited. His game plan will be to just use size. Like, use size and bully me or some shit. But, like, as far as knowledge and skills. and all of the shit that I've been working on since fucking Yeha. He don't have that. He don't know what that is. So it's a cool fight, but it's levels.

Let me tell you. Levels. He always said, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I knew you was going to be something special. I seen a clip of you young. Yeah. You lost.

Yeah. The ladies interview and you, you were here to end up, but your past you was like, Carnes. Yeah, I'm like, this thing, you know, this, he got a different type of, he's a different type of animal dog from a little from a young and like that. It was so passionate to him. I'm like, he's going to be the chance. He's going to be one of them ones.

Yeah, for sure. When it meant so much to you at that age, you knew what winning was. That's why you're here with you right now. Yeah, I appreciate that. I feel something like. You know, all the great ones. That real talk. I ain't going to lie.

You had, you walked a fighter out that I fought. And I remember I'm in the ring and your song came on. That shit came out. Fire. I was nervous as hell. I'm like, oh. It's how it was Jamel Henry. Oh, yeah.

He walked up. And I forgot what song you play. I'm like, the arena went crazy. It didn't work out well. Nah, I was just that. But I was nervous. I'm like, oh, shit. They came out like.

So actually, that plays a part in the psyche. No, I don't really play a part. But at that moment, it felt like, damn, he kind of outdid me right now. You know, we're the first rapists to ever bring a boxer in the ring. Ever? Ever. Me and Big Pum, we brought out Felix Trinidad against Delaware. Ever.

Damn, I ain't even know that. And so we performed dead in the middle of little it, me and Big Pond. When we came out, we seen the eyes in that arena. They was like, yo, at the time, we're the most popping. We got the, you know, he's still my idol, Felix Trinidad. And man, what a fucking honor that shit was. They win? Huh?

Did he win? Yeah, he beat Delaware. You know, Delaware do a lot of weird shit now, but he ain't ducked nobody, and he was a great champion. And so we got to salute him. But now he's like, you know, he's like all a gangster niggas. Like, I watched Instagram and all the gangster niggins I used to respect look crazy. On the internet Instagram, you were like, yo, I thought this was the realest ever.

The nigga looking like a dodo bird right now. I didn't feel bringing YFN Lucci out. Oh, no, it was amazing. I love that. Because, like, his story and shit, like, I think it was more so, like, the respect level was kind of there. And I fuck with him actually. Yeah, he's fine. I like when I meet, like, like, people like, y'all, like, you're famous, but y'all, like, level-headed.

Right. Regular people. Like, I'll have a conversation with y'all type shit. I can. What you mean? No, no, like any nigger or girl that think they too much, I'm allergic. Yeah. If I go to, if I go Bruno Mars, exactly, Bruno Mars half Puerto Rican.

When I went to him, I went up to the, dude. Oh, that's, fuck Bruno, man. Fuck Bruno, he's all the flag. Fuck, man. You touched the motherfucking nerve. I went up to him like, yo. We asked a war show. I'm like, yo, you Puerto Rican.

He was like, yo, I'm a real Puerto Rican. Don't never ask me no shit. My dad from Bushwick, this and that. He got up. He definitely was high, like on some other shit. And I waited my whole life to meet Bruno Mars because he's half Puerto Rican. And that man let me down so bad. Yeah.

And I seen Julie Greenwald. She tried to check me like, you know, he signed at him. And she was like, yo, Joe, I said, you know, that boy must have been on some some shit because I'm telling you what he did. Yeah. I ain't going to get up here and tell you what Bruno Mars did and he ain't do it. That motherfucker, he bugged out. But, um...

Now, that's like Lucci, though. Lucci was a good person. Like, like, y'all kind of remind me of like that energy. I don't do it. And if somebody's full of shit and all that, I walk the other way, I look the other way. I don't even want to be on all-luck with him. So we go on that... We go an all-star weekend.

We're going into the game and some... celebrities who think, yo, I don't know what y'all think. Let me tell you something. We're all human. Yeah. God is the greatest. Yep. And, you know, if you like me, you came from shit.

Right. From nothing. Welfare. Rich. The rich. So we can't, you can't tell me about my struggle and your struggle. All right. Fine.

We all the same kind of people with you. I tell people all the time, I be like, yo, Joe, you humble. I'm like, how am I supposed to be? Yeah. Because I don't know how to be another way. I don't even. like people like that. I don't like celebrities that treat people like shit.

I don't like celebrities that think they better than everybody. That shit, there is the biggest turnoff I ever seen in the world. You'll be the most beautiful girl in the world. You think your shit. Don't stink. Look, go over there. Don't come by this smelling great guy. Don't come no...

Yo, what's up with the other side war? Trump's. Fire. Fire. Fire. Fire. No, it was a great collab and I enjoyed doing business with them.

I actually got to meet them and they came by the hotel and they showed a lot of love. So I appreciate them too. We put together a great fit for this fight. As the fights go on, I'm going to keep getting better with my fits and everything. Hopefully bring kiss out.

Oh, you want to come out now. You was fucking performing for Darren Grant. He didn't call me out. He got his ass knocked you to fucking rope. I didn't know. He got his ass knocked through the rope. Fuck around, Darren Grant. Let me tell you something.

Make it up, babe. Nah, the man come out. He got to come out with that shit. You pussy, you think your cousins. When you come out for him, you got to do that one right there. It's national TV. It's a fan. Sky's crazy.

Shout out my brother, Egabalanga. That's my brother, right there. Man, that's my brother. He always tried to come out to my lifestyle and the TV always said he can't do it. I got a song called Y'all want to. It's two gangster. Oh, and they won't let them?

No, sir. Because you got to send the lyrics, right? No, sir. They won't let them. No, they wouldn't let him. They wouldn't let him. He tried 20 fights to come out to my lifestyle. They'd be like, nah, we can't.

It's too much killing and shit. Rex. It's egg of my dog, though. I ain't going to lie. That's my dog. How important is giving back to the community. Shit, that shit, me. everything.

I enjoy, like, the kids that's, like, coming up in a situation that I'm coming up with, like, for me, I had, like, bought tickets for them, man,

they kind of got publicized. I usually don't do it. It's to do it. Publicly do it. I usually, I don't have been doing this, like, for years and years,

but now for me, whereas, like, with the kids, it's like, I just want to show them, like, it's possible. And that's my main thing,

showing them, like, you come from nothing, you come from the slums, but you see, still can get out of that situation with hard work and dedication. I try to show them me right there in front and see like, okay, yeah. This is hope.

This is live. I'm not sure if he's a Hall of Famer, but Dave Winfield from the Yankees. Shout out Dave Winfield. We used to get in Yankee Stadium with the Dave Winfield Foundation. I seen that man that was at a Jordan party in L.A., and I dove on his car. So, yo, Dave Winfield, he knew who I watched. He is a Hall of Famer. I dove on his car.

Yo, I used to go to Yankee game because of you. This is car? No. But what I'm trying to tell you, we're talking about, it was one of the most humbling things I ever did. Because I lost my mind. This man used to give us tickets to our community center to go to Yankee Stadium.

For us, Yankee Stadium was like just winning, seeing green grass. The Bronx ain't got green grass. We got the brown shit. You go in Yankee Stadium, that shit. Bronx ain't got green grass. Yeah, I don't got that same shit. The brown shit.

You go in Yankee Stadium. That shit green. It's a vibe in there. So, you know, shout out to all the athletes that do that. You know, it's crazy. I was just with the philanthropy team. I'm working on something really, really big. And you know what's crazy is?

Just now I was walking over here. I just met with the Mike Brinkley know. And I said to myself, walking over here, I said, this is why God bless you. Because you're always thinking about the community. you're always thinking about the people. And there is no price tag. There is nothing.

You know what I'm saying? If we could definitely help and feed people in our community and all that, that's the biggest thing you could do in the world. Yeah, that was my thing with it too. It's like I never really had nobody to come back to Nook and like stand in front of me and see like I always heard of like, and there's no disrespect to Shaq. I fuck with Shaq. He's from Newark.

But I always heard about Shaq being from Newark. And I heard about his, I used to go to his movie theater and all that shit, but I never really got to see him, like, up close and personal to be like, okay, it's possible. Like, I could keep doing what I'm doing. But now for me it's like, shit, I got to do that for the kids. Like, I got to. Like, that's my main objective in life.

Like, let them know, like, you could get up out of there. And that's where it's at. You know, you passed away Garville in 150 years from you. And the past is going to say All your achievements in the ring But they're really going to talk about How you help the people Yeah

Motivate the people Give back to the people They're not going to say Yo, yeah, the rose voice They're not going to talk all that shit Yeah They're going to talk about what you do For the people

How you inspire the community How you help the people How you gave back That that right there to me is everything You know, I've been doing that I've been rapping what 30 something years A little bit longer

I've been doing this for a while and whether it's a little thing like giving computers to school or giving whatever I lend the hand in all the time I've got some real big coming in this year philanthropy really big coming

how the hell did you get into pickleball oh Marty Supreme is that Marty Supreme Now I tell you how I got into pickle bar Huh That's ping pong man That's hair about it Nah, nah, nah, I got into it with Jay Prince.

Oh, word? No count. Jay Prince. Oh, geez, nice to print. He's nice. I swear to God. But he introduced me to Pickleball, when he introduced it to me, I'm like,

it's a height. And then I kept playing. I'm like, man, I got to get better at this shit. I don't like how he's better than me. Like, he olden. He's way better than me. He's way better than me. I'm like, I kind of got like a little obsessive about it.

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and I tell my story about monsters really dealing in something truthful, and I do it in a way that's pop, that's hot, that's like getting on a roller coaster, will people respond? Listen to Bookmarked, the Reese's Book Club podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. segregation and the day integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.

It was like stepping on another world. Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the KKK? Yeah, they were dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush you.

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and visit Myrtle Beach, comes Charlie's Place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. How do you get tight with Jay Prince? from Newark and he's from out in Texas. Really, Andre Ward. Because you have an Andre Ward.

Andre Ward was my favorite boxer, so I used to go to his training camps and shit. But he was managing, I mean, Jay Prince was managing Andre Ward at the time. And I met him through him. But then it's another guy, Antonio Leonard, that's like my family now. And he introduced me to Jay Farreifera,

like outside of Oakland. We went to Houston. I met him in a club. And I got actually, yo, it's crazy. I probably was like, what, 17, 18. I'm not supposed to be in the club. But I go through there and they're like, shit, you're good.

You're with Jay Prince and they take me to a back room and shit. He in the back plane of pool with one hand. I'm sitting there. I'm seeing this, he's cool this hell and shit. But then I just got to conversate with him. As I got to meet him more and more, like he's a real nigger. Like, that's a real.

real nigger. Like, I'll folk with that nigga like. He sure is. And then that's my family for real. He's a legend. He's a, he's super real. He opened many doors and he got his own island. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. For sure, I'd have been there. I'm, I use it. I tell them all the time. I don't get jealous. Yeah. I get inspired. For sure.

So when people that look like us get to certain levels, I look at that like, I'll tell you the truth. I'm going to admit something. I don't know if I can have it on an island. That's, that's, You're owning the Ludacris on the island too

Yeah, that thing I see the rat all-star He said man You always blowing me up With my He on the island How are you on the island Jay Prince on the island

Man Yeah That's crazy though Like think about it I don't I own a lot of things I don't know God willing

God bless I don't know If I'm on an island Like an island That's crazy No for sure Boxes, you said Andre Ward inspired you. Who's some other boxes that inspired you?

And they ain't got to be your way of fighting just boxes that you always looked up to. Floyd Mayweather, Terrence Crawford, Penel Whitaker, Sigurray Leonard. Man, I fuck with Ussick. I like Ussik right now. Like Ussik Bavar. I like them overseas dudes. They kind of know boxing. at a different level kind of shit.

You know, I'm the Tyson Fury of hip hop. You know, I'm flabby. You know, I ain't got no muscles, I knock you out. Like, don't play with me. See, the biggest misconception with Fat Joe is, he's Fat Joe, you think he's gonna bear hug you. No, I'm coming with the fluidity.

I'm coming with that ditty-bop on you, boy, I'm like a fat skinny guy. I'm not going to grab you. We're just going to go pound for pound, told it. So anybody touched the canvas, you lost. So you got hands. I used to have hands.

I'm not going to front like I got hands now. I had hands. He got a bad leg. We go, we go, we go, we go project against project. Yeah. Okay? Project against project. They say, bring out your best guy.

I'm not lying to you. They bring out fat Joe. And then they bring out some cock diesel guy from the other project. I was like, yo, I'm just fat. Why are you? gotta fight this guy. You're a motherfucker six backed up, I got him every time.

Let me tell you, I had that fluidity. He was undefeated. Huh? You was undefeated? No, I got my ass whip a million times. Are you crazy? But that's why I don't want to stand. Right?

I don't understand. I knew this guy. He's breaking. He's breaking. He's a guy. Huh? Talking to two-time with fellas. Let me tell you, I'm a street guy.

Yeah. Like, real street guy. Respected by the legends in the street. Only thing I did was rap, right? And there's some guys that people respected. And they were gangsters, did a little time, whatever, and they was running around here like they tough. They got their ass whip one time and never came back outside.

I don't know what that happens. I used to come outside every day with black eyes, big nose, big... I don't give a fuck. These guys retired, like so-called, like, so-called tough guys, like, acting like, you know who you are. You got your ass whip. You ain't come back. outside. You pussy.

Nah, we can't, we make it too many legends out there because you making me call bum niggas out and giving them a name in the street and they, yeah. You know, you know, niggas is famous for getting their ass with by Fat Joe, too. You walk in, Brits play a dare. There's places,

look, I love all of you. I respect all the legends, all the street guys, but there's places where the old school street guys go. You know, it's like cheers. With, yo, this is Stocko 147. this the guard Jain still to the day. There's bars that you could go

and everybody who has something going on, go any given Sunday you walk in there and be like, yo, that's Andy, the guy fat Joe beat the shit out of and he breast charges on him. There's always one. And every one of those joints, you walk in, Rich player walked in,

it was like, yo, don't look now. Guy who told on Joey when he beat him up, you know, that was 30 years ago, Rich. Please don't stare at them, this, this, that. You know, it's people you beat up. And, you know, they become legends because you beat them up. Who's the toughest fighter you ever fought? Toughest fighter I ever fought.

Probably, uh, Williams de Pater. Williams de Pater. The Mexican that I fought on the car with Eger, that night, yeah, dude. Yeah, I see. He was fighting you. Dude was tough. I ain't going to lie. That was a tough fight.

He was willing to do whatever it took to win a fight. So hello That let me know like yeah you was tough But I mean I dominated but shit It was me Other niggas there feel that nigga Like they gonna understand that that nigga He's real gangster

Like no bullshit He coming in there He's stepping I don't care who it is He coming with that shit What's the next Outside the ring for you? Outside the ring

No I'll be messing with my young fighters. So shout out to Zayquin Moses and the Manuel Chintz, my little cousin, and them, they're not my little blood brother, but like my little brother, but they fighting in April. And that's going to be next.

That's what I'm really going to be focused on, helping them get ready for their fights and making sure they well prepared that night. Don't know. That's fine. I met Tank, like, he was 12. He was down with Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. He was a baby.

Yeah. And he was like, yo, this going to be the one that's going to be the one that he mentored him up to, you know, he became the man. You know, why are you looking at me like that, Jada? I'm just looking at you, my brother. This guy, he's a funny dude, bro. Let me tell you something. So that was your toughest fight. Is there any records you're out to break?

Is there anything that you got your eye on that you're like, yo, I got to have that. That's something I need to do. They fucked up what I really could have did, but I was, I was going to have two belts in one weight class, and I wanted to be able to, like, go really do what I wanted, but they stripped me out of my belt at 135 pounds, really for no reason. That's like a money is. That's like some fake extortion shit going on with you.

Yeah, it is, it is. It is. It is. It's like, break that down. Both of y'all break it down, because I'm confused. When you win the belt I gotta learn I'm trying to learn

When you win the belt You gotta pay To be able to keep your belt So I paid Not in free Ain't free Didn't keep one more Yeah yeah

No What they did to me It's fucked up Because when I fought Williams a paid her For the 135 title I paid them After the fight

After that I got moved up For the Tia Fima Fight at 140 pounds They belt Don't got None to do with that fight But they're asking me

for double or what I paid them after my last fight. For me to go up to 140 pounds and keep my belt. I got to pay double. That shit only... But they really got mad at Terrence Carford. They had a real beef with them, and then they tried to take it out on me. But I really don't even like speaking on that shit.

It is what it is. Yeah, yeah. It's similar to the Hollywood Walker Fink breaking news, guys. I hate to tell you, you pay for that, guys. You request... I know that. star and you pay. I don't know the fence.

I don't know the father shots. No. You know when you get a star. You don't, it ain't like you won the Grammy. You copped it. It ain't like you didn't know that. You didn't know that. You got to pay a housekeeper

and keep your shit up the park. Yeah. You can't come through and sign your own star for no reason. Yeah. By the way, you buy that shit. So when they be like, oh, I'm surprised. How did I ever win the star?

And you got to pay more. taxes on, man, hell nah. They're gonna get mad at me because it ain't like you pull up, you know, you pull up and you be like, oh my God, hey, what is, they be acting like that. Let's go half on one. Fuck that. Does somebody want to sponsor my

star out there? Let's go half on the star. On the Joe and Jay, the star, can someone, you know we're legendary, by the way. I don't know if you know fuck rap. You need a stop. This show right here is killing these people, like they want to commit suicide. We should hand out Razorblazers,

sign-knit to the other podcasters. They're getting their ass whip. This shit is turned key. We open the door and now, look, Shokor season A-Saf first was just on. Dr. Jay was on the game. It's no way we, it's standing room only. In fact, we have a list of people we love and we respect.

Right. I heard other podcasts and say, yo, it's hard to get, well, we don't. we have a list of A1 celebrity standing by like put me in coach put me in the game and me and him got it yeah he's cool I only heard him say one time hell no and that was my man too I ain't gonna say you want me to say it you want me to say it oh you don't want me to say it that motherfucker was like hell no I was almost like oh my god what did he do to kiss

it was a rapper yeah And he's just like, he's not coming on. I said, whoa. Damn, kiss ain't fucking with him. Let me just chill. I guess it's. No, Kelly's great. We got to give her a propop she just left.

No, Kelly. No, kiss, man. He's not being realistic. And listen, let me tell you some. I'm proud of everybody on this staff and the contributions y'all bring to the guests. game because if me and kids just did this on our own, we definitely wouldn't have had this kind of fluidity.

No matter what, we could have hired camera man, we could have this, whatever. But the way that shit coming in, like I said, Turnkey, he guys, this, at first they was trying to compete. Now they're like, yo, let them have it. This shit out of control. Like these guys, we might bring the Pope on this shit. This shit out of control right here. Well, you was with Obama, so you're going to make that happen first.

Let me tell you about the Obama. Okay. Obama don't know how many Spanish people I may vote for Obama before he was famous. Okay, when Obama's coming up, I'm out there in every Spanish community. Both up on Obama, Obama won't have this, this, this. I went beyond, beyond he will ever know trying to get the Spanish, the Latino community to vote for. I know his wife I met her 10 times.

I never met Obama. I wanted, if you go to any rich person's house, I don't give a fuck who. The real rich, the minute you walk in, they got Ronald Reagan, they got Trump, they got Clinton, they got,

that's the biggest flex in any 20 million plus mansion, they got a president picture with them right there. I got a bunch of president. I got, I got, I got, I got Bill Clinton with the T.S.

He's in a little bit of Island scandal. But we're chilling. We took him off the war for now, right? Yo, yo, yo! Yo! But Obama always went at that pick. The moral to the story is, I ain't going to lie

to you. Puerto Rican's really black. Maybe Puerto Ricans are all black. I'll break that down to you. That's a fact that's black people that speak Spanish. See, Paul Mooney said the best. Google this clip. Paul Mooney said they really niggas that talks manner. That's all it is.

For sure. It's it. And so I go up to, I said, when I'm, when I'm checking in, they go, Obama in there. I don't give a fuck if they had 500 secret. I was getting that pick with Obama. I don't give a fuck. Nothing. I just had to walk up with the fluidity.

The secret service, all the niggas moved out the way. Like, hey, Joe, how are you? I said, yeah, I said, Mr. President. His wife and. brace me, yo, he's our guy, Fat Joe. I don't even know if Obama knew who Fat Joe was like that. Miss Obama was putting in like,

yo, he's our guy. Right? Thank you, Miss Obama. Y'all, let's take a pig. By the time I turned around, Obama kept trying to smile for a pick. Every basketball seven-footer was jumping right over. Hey, Mr. President? Hey, I mean, it was their shit.

About 10 of them. It turned into rich players. I had to, like, start like, you know, my man. if y'all don't move the fuck out the way like we got to get this pick it was only a second before the secret service is like yo enough enough like and I wasn't going to get my pick

every seven foot and jumped in front of me like I was like yo what type of shit everybody wanted that joint but I got it I got it you know what I'm saying I waited 20 years for that but I was definitely going straight in that oh Garcia versus body old he looking looking

like he's back in his bag a little Yeah, tell him getting this bag so we can fight. And you want to fight him. I want to fight all these guys. You name him while I fight him. So, yeah, I think we could make a fight happen. I think that might be next. But Ryan...

People would love to see that. Man, it's the same fucking shit that y'all already know. Take away the fucking left hook. You take away his left hook, he's cooked. Move this way. Just take it away. You know, last time I had to fucking dude out, I said, yo. I'm talking shit

Ryan Garcia and my man, let me ask you the question let me ask you the question, right? What's my man and I'm a fan age? Right? You guys know his name? You know, I don't know shit, man.

What the fuck is your problem? You know, I'll explain them and you'll tell me who. But I know him. Devin Haney, right? Yeah. Ever since he got touched, he's been fighting scared.

That is not a lie. That is not none. He's still so talented to beat these guys, but somebody rung his bell to where the man not the same. He's not the same after, even though he won the belt, even though he won the last two, three fights,

even though this, he's fighting scared. I don't like that. I don't, look, what do you think about Devin Haney? I think that a scared man is a man that's kind of hard to be sometimes. Because when they're scared, they scariness can help them out in the ring. So, I mean, I think he'll, he's a solid fighter. He's not a bad fighter, so he definitely knows what he's doing. His dad going to make sure he comes in shape.

So if they want to make it happen, I'm down. But I know for it. Oh, shit, I didn't know we was out here brokering fights. Oh, Robert. Yo, Devin Hany, what's up? Hard Rock Bet. Yo, Devin ain't it. But it got to...

You've been called out, beloved. It got to make sense. So, um, long as the business and everything makes sense with it, we can make the fire. Now, I don't respect your answer because I think you want to fight him for the big payday. No, it ain't. It ain't the payday. He's the fact that at the end of the day, um, me and him is not at the same weight class. So it got to make sense.

I would have to go up. He got to come down. Oh, really, because now I'm not at the same way. people kind of overrate that big fights need belts and big fights don't need belts. Sometimes you can meet in the middle. I would love to see that.

Camalo and Floyd. I respect that fight. Canelo and Floyd, they fought that 152. What music motivates you? Give me a little five playlist. It ain't got to be the greatest of all time. You in the locker room. You're getting ready for prime time.

I don't give a fuck what they say. They big on MMA. They acted like boxing. fell off, but when boxing got a fight is must see TV every barn every bar,

every gym, I don't give a fuck where are you at you watching that shit as much as you try to disboxing what are you playing in your headphones

on your locker room? I'm probably playing like some meat or probably some 50 old Jay-Z of two-pop Kiss

her I'll be I'll be going to do different kind of music so last time I knocked the nigga out

I was playing Norrie what what what what what what what what what what what what what what we're driving up

to the one on one what what what what yo I told us I had to fight a guy he was on

America's most wanted so we had to man he's not like He's not lying. He's not lying. I got a hundred, he's telling it.

There's no flag. It's real shit. He was on America's most once. He ain't lying. That Joe, out of shape. I had to fight this guy to eliminate the, you know, the real, you know what I'm saying?

So it was like, yo, you got to fight him. The guy was conned decent and everything. Man, I pulled up with that. You're fucking with Joe crack, man. I don't want to violate

because he was the perfect gentleman about it. He was my God. He was a perfect gentleman about it, but I pulled up. He saw a rich lately and he said, yo, man, I like, he didn't say my name. He texted me. But you know what it takes to fight a guy on America's Most Wanted and you're a famous rapper? Yeah.

Imagine that I got my ass whipped. That shit would have went beyond Viag. You would have been on America. You knocked them up? I beat them up bad. Okay. And it was just my fluidity was a little bit, you know. But I thought I was going to lose.

How about that? Oh, yeah, that's how I go. I come from my brother, anybody. I know we too old for somebody who grew up with us. No, I was just, I'm never scared. Ever, ever, ever, ever. One time I had an argument with a promoter in Paris, and they brought in like 10 African dudes.

They locked the door. Like, I'm locked up. I got up and was like, yo, let's get it. Pop it. My DJ always told me that story. You say, yo. crack. The dudes came up in there with the gloves and all that.

And all I remember is you got up and you was like, yo, so what were you doing? Let's get it popping in this bitch. I've been fighting my own life. The point is, I thought he was going to win because he's in perfect shape. I'm really fat, fat joke. But I come from watching my brother

and my brother, I got a story for y'all. The Golden God. Why can't tell a story? You got to finish this one. I come from whoever gets knocked out gets knocked out. So I stand toe to toe, you knock me out, nothing I could do. Congratulations. I knock you out.

It is what it. That's it. That's it. Toe to talk, I used to watch my brother fight guys toe to toe. Whoever got knocked out, got knocked out. It wasn't no bullshit. I'll tell you a funny story. So nobody believes me. Right? Nobody believes me. I keep trying to tell them. We was the wildest kids in our age group.

But we had no money. So the kingpins at the time, before I became kingpin, Kingpin used to come and get fat, Joey, to beat up the guys they had beef with me. So they'll come and be like, yo, we got a Pele for you. We got three pair Jordans. We need you to put it on these guys, right? So this one kingpin who was like ahead of his time,

he used to wear Hermes, boots, all type of shit. He come get me, he said, you know, Joe, I got a problem. I'm going to buy you a Pele. I was a cheap hire, too. It was like three-paid Jordans, the Pele. Come on. And I never cared. I really never cared about human.

I really didn't care, right? So I'm with him. I go over, and I'm going to tell you to have, y'all. It was 182nd in Creston. And little did I know, blah. No, no, big dope. So I go over there, he started arguing with the guy. Now, sometimes, no matter how Kingpin or.

matter how much dudes you killed. My man Stacy in jail still for 30-some years because they knew he was a killer, but they fronted on him in this building and there was a he couldn't take it. So he went over there,

emptied it out on his own hood. Sometimes you don't want to do that to the guys you grew up with and they take advantage of that. So I go over there and I'm like, this guy's such a kingpin. I'm like, yeah, he can just kill this guy. Like, why is he even arguing with him?

But he's from that block. So the guy's talking to him. The guy don't even think about me. He's not even looking my way. He's like, yo, this, this, that arguing with him. And I punched that guy in his chin so hard. He went out. Fluidity on the floor over the bike.

Boom! Right? I'm like, I'm flubby, fat Joe. I'm like this. He fall over the bike. I knock him out. Lucky! I'm going to give it to y'all now.

One of the second. I'm breaking the myth. Hold up. Lucky I knock him out. So the guy I go with is pushing me. Like, Joe, let's go. Joe, let's go. Yo, Joe, let's go.

He's taking me to the concourse and I'm still trying to front. He's like, let's go. He throw me in the cab. I get out of there. Little do I know that this guy was four-time golden-glove champ, the guy I knocked out. Damn.

And the man for 20 years been sending me, I mean, he's old now, but he was sending me messages tell fat Joe, he owed me the fair one. Tell fat Joe. Did he throw his shit up? No, I snuffed him. Oh, you got a blind.

Blindside. cheated, whatever the fuck you want. Over there, they was like, in his hood. Yo, but fat, Joe got his. He knocked out. Docco 137. The man is a four-time fat, Joe.

All squared up one-on-one. They was telling you. I got a question for y'all. He begged every human being that knew me for 20 years. Like, please. I got a question for y'all. Do y'all still be going to the studio nowadays? Like, he does.

He's there every day. I'm going on to this. Okay, nah, I just was asking because I know, like, once I'm done boxing, I don't know if it's going to be, like, hard and shit to, like, stay out of the gym, like. Nah, you're going to go. It's their lifestyle. It's a lifestyle, yeah. Yeah, you're going to.

You know, bust around, stay in the fucking studio every day for the rest of his life. I don't know how to explain it to you. Yeah. When there's none. The studio is $3,000 a night. Shit like that. You don't own your own studio. Yeah.

You got his own studio. Yeah. Yeah. Chuck that shit. There's got a fireplace. You know what I'm like in it. Yeah, yeah. You guys, I don't have a school.

The next generation or like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope. I hope, though. Actually, in the work to do, one of the labels want me to start, you know, developing some of the young talents.

Yeah. I think that's the smartest shit. The job on my portfolio about that. I think, I think that would be great. Yeah. You know, you get them to kick that shit. Yo. We appreciate you, brother.

This ain't that? That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make some noise for you called Stevenson, baby. Bye, y'all, Marty. Marty, bony. The face of boxing. Jersey and the better.

Shout out to North. Shout out to H-Town, too. Shout out to the Soul Food Joint Pixie Mills. I've been watching them. They got the turkey chops out there in Newark. They got the turkey. Boy. Next Monday, our 2026,

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