Joe and Jada - Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlin Clark’s MVP chances

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Sheryl Swoopes, four-time WNBA champion, three-time MVP, and the first player ever signed in the WNBA. Sheryl breaks down how Nike approached her about the first-eve...r women's signature basketball shoe and  how that moment opened doors for every woman who came after her. She talks about growing up in Brownfield, Texas, playing ball with her brother, her mom working the cafeteria and cleaning houses, and why failure was never an option. Sheryl shares the emotional weight of being able to sit down for a nice dinner with her brothers after everything they came from. She gives her take on Geno Auriemma not dapping up Dawn Staley after the Final Four, explains why Black women are always expected to take the higher road, and says that moment put a stain on his legacy. She runs through her top five WNBA players of all time and breaks down why the Indiana Fever have a real shot to win it all with Raven Johnson moving Caitlin Clark off the ball. Joe goes in on J. Cole's one-game basketball career in China, tells stories from his prison basketball league, and Jada announces that he wants in on the next NBA Celebrity All-Star Game. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! Merch is here! https://joeandjadashow.com/ All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet 10:30 Fat Joe roasts J. Cole's China stint 20:00 Cheryl's Nike signature shoe 31:00 Making it out of a small town in Texas 41:30 Gino Auriemma snubbing Dawn Staley 58:00 Top 5 WNBA players all-time 1:02:30 Lisa Leslie & the growth of the WNBA 1:19:00 Hard Rock Bet: WNBA title, MVP betsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:27 You don't look like nobody else. We all have our own face. Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else, meaning show who, we don't get to confuse. Shell what? Shell swoop, shall swoop. We don't get to confused with nobody else.
Starting point is 00:02:48 You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in L.A. Six-hour flight. There we go. This Joe Crack to Dawn. You know who is. It is your boy, Jay. This is the Joe and Jayden show.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Every show legendary, every show iconic. Iconic. And we ain't stopping. Okay. This is a serious iconic one. You heard what I said. Every show legendary. Every show iconic.
Starting point is 00:03:29 But I can't lie. Some people are borderline all right, big, whatever. We help those out. We have an iconic. We had a few that wasn't legendary or iconic. Are we keeping it real? No, I can't do it. Fuck you!
Starting point is 00:03:49 Fuck you! Don't shit up my guests. Don't shit. Listen, listen, that's another show. Today's show. Who ain't iconic? When you think of today's guest, we'll get to the un-Icons on another edition.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Today is very iconic. Super. When you think of today's guest, You think of the first player ever signed in the WMBA. Clap it up. Make some noise for that alone. We didn't even start yet. It just makes some noise for that.
Starting point is 00:04:25 You think of four WNBA champion. Clap it up for that. Four! That shit ain't. Make some more noise, louder, louder, louder. Loudly. Sarkonic. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:04:38 You think a three-time MVP. Wow. Why? Three Olympic gold medals, make no! It's C-Double A title, make noise. Texas. Texas. Feeba World Cup, gold, make noise.
Starting point is 00:05:03 She collected hardware like it was a hobby. That's where she got. Talking that shit, you know what I mean? You think of the first woman that night gave a signature sneaking to her. First signature. Sneaker. Cousel.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Basketball. Gave her a signature shoe before they even no women basketball shoes can sell. Make noise. Well, keep going. Let's keep going. You think of a woman who stands on her truth even when it costs something, you know what I mean, to do so. May Smith Hall of Fame 2016 Women's Basketball Hall of Fame. Man,
Starting point is 00:05:46 May God! When they keep going? You know, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just jerked a new edition. They should have been nominated. But, yeah. A 1996 Olympic team is being inducted into the Nate Smith Hall of Fame this year.
Starting point is 00:06:05 May join! You know what I mean? One of the top 15 WNBA players of all time. Did you hear me? all time. Make noise. Let me hear that one again. One of the top
Starting point is 00:06:24 15 W. They shrubbed at. Now, she's down. She's more towards the Top five dead or alive. All right. Make noise. Top five.
Starting point is 00:06:33 They jerk you. They jerk you. Everything you see in the WMBA right now, she'll play that foundation with our own hands. Please welcome. the legend, the icon, the everything that we need in this world that make the WMBA as you see it today evolve.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Ladies and gentlemen, we make some noise of Ms. Cheryl Swarm. I want to do it. Make noise. I want to say something. Something crazy? No, I'm just saying she touched the 1800 already. To get it.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Before we get the toe, she's already off the 1800. You too. Shout out the 1800. Yo, get me a glass. I'm white. I can't drink. She's celebrating a birthday recently. A belated birthday.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Doing this for the draft. Over the top. Over the top. Let me get the 1800. Over the top. I'm going in. Yo, two time of felon. You know, I got.
Starting point is 00:07:46 called two-time a felon. He's a two-time a felling. He's a work in progress. He's a work in progress. I got one more for you, too. And one of the newer members of the Rock family, Ms. Cheryl Swoves. One of the newer members of the Rock family,
Starting point is 00:08:04 make no heart! I don't know. I did not know. Yeah. 1800. Related birthday. Newest member of the. Rock family.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And we also toast into the WMBA. The draft was beautiful. Shout out to all the young ladies who's going to succeed in a career. That I mean? Mm-hmm. 18-100.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Oh! Let's talk about the draft right quick before we get into all of your accomplishments. Yeah. What you have going on. How did you feel about? I watched the whole thing. I put myself on another pedestal.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Because a lot of my friends was calling around. They're saying, yo, there's no games on. It's died and ah, they're sad. It was a horrible game for it. Yeah, you were one of my friends that was on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I enjoyed watching the pre-draft, and I watched the entire draft, the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:09:09 And one of my guys, Team Dobbs, shot up the dog, he was there with me. He didn't, I'm telling him, your dog, why she's going next. this and that. She's from UCLA, she's from St. John, she's from Yukon,
Starting point is 00:09:21 and she's from the top. He's like, how are you all? I said, Doop? You don't watch? You don't watch female? You don't watch the female?
Starting point is 00:09:27 Like, no, I don't know. I have no one. But after that, he's like, yo, I'm going to start watching it. You made me.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah. I feel good. Shout out, the girls got paid. If girls got paid. Finally. Much better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:39 You know, I had a whole, like, with the lady who owns the Nets. It's the Asian lady. I went in for the girls. Huh? Josai got the Nets and his wife got the Libby.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Well, his wife is a beautiful lady and I pulled her to the side and we talked for about a good half an hour and I was like, yo, these girls got to get paid. She was like, yeah, we're paying the money. I said, no, like, pay. Are you telling me, you responsive? No.
Starting point is 00:10:07 That would be capped. You know, that would be capped. That would be capped. I'm just telling you on behalf of the young ladies. You put your word in. Whatever you can. Whatever you can. What you can.
Starting point is 00:10:20 What you know what's good is when, because for so long, right? Like the W started in 97 and I was talking to someone earlier and I said in 97 when I signed my contract, I actually was off a little bit. I thought it was 375. It was 200,000. 50,000 of it was from the team. And then the 150,000 was from the marketing and stuff I did for the movie.
Starting point is 00:10:46 So the league It's very different But it was And then most WNBA players Got to go abroad They got to go By the way
Starting point is 00:10:56 Jay Cole quit after one game By the way No no No you gotta be with me Sure You gotta be with me Because He ain't a real hoop
Starting point is 00:11:07 And the man thought He could go over there He don't it The whole shit They said by me Don't it No points no nothing.
Starting point is 00:11:17 No assist, no points. They said he had visa issues. Out of here, bro. Like, yo, and by the way, I'm going to tell my audience. Where did he play? He played with the Chinese monkey. Okay. Yeah, you know, listen.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Hold, listen to me. You know, these real actors, they get mad when rappers try to act and shit. Yes. You should be upset because this guy is very famous. He sells out stadiums. He's one of the. the greatest rappers of all time and he think it's a game. So he went out
Starting point is 00:11:50 there to play like, yo, I'm Jay Cole. He don't know the shit. Everybody came at me. By the way, I love Jay Co. No, you don't. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I'm telling you right now, by the way, I love Jake Co. Just because I speak true,
Starting point is 00:12:06 what do you want me to kiss everybody's ass up here? I got to have an opinion. I know basketball to the point that I knew that boy was going to go over there and do nothing. He went over there and did nothing. How did you know that? Because what happens is
Starting point is 00:12:23 it's a real league. It's a real... That shit is like the G League or a little bit better than the G League. So you got retired... Everybody who's the nicest from overseas is over there. Everybody that ain't in, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:38 AI after he was AI or T. They're here. Stefan Morbury is busting your man, booby-toe. But these cousins, they bustling your ass. You come and Jay Cole? Get the fuck. They ran him out of China.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Yo! I don't understand. Jay Cole comes to the show, discuss. Let's just discuss, man. But overseas basketball is a real league. It's a real thing. Like, if you're not a... But if you're not...
Starting point is 00:13:10 But why do he don't play three? So he could donut for three? He didn't... Get out of here. So, but he got in the country. Yeah. And his visa was good enough for him to play. It's a lie.
Starting point is 00:13:23 It's a lie. He stunk up the place. The man didn't want, he didn't want three in a row. Okay. Get out of you. That's what they, that's what they, that's what he said. But in his defense, he only played one game. He had two, three pointers that he was wide open.
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Starting point is 00:14:52 that's the move you know this is the time you want to know why right now rappers have no more juice in the culture this is the only talk because the streamers
Starting point is 00:15:06 the streamers and you know what the streamers these young boys are doing now they went in streaming you know why because they show their flaws and they show what fucked up and they show when they win. And you got a streamer, he fucking idolizes a rat. He comes, puts him on the streaming.
Starting point is 00:15:23 You got other streamers. You got one guy who was on Instagram. You see the guy, the guy looked like fucking Dwight Howard. Who was the guy that was racing cars and animal? He raced against the streamer. The guy said, this is the real shit. This ain't Instagram. Chopped up edit.
Starting point is 00:15:42 He beat him three times in a row. The point is, you can't do the shit. Master P got away with in 88. Coming up in there, they pick and form. They're giving them. You can't do that. Jay Cole went over there and we saw true what really was going on. And they left them one donut.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Master P came to the record and they scored one point. I watched them with my own eyes. Did she score double digits? I'm not talking on shit. I don't know. I watched her who. I watched Jay Cole when he was playing in Africa. I was up that four in the morning watching that bull.
Starting point is 00:16:17 I was too. I knew he was. Anyway, Jay Cole, we love you. I don't know what he did, T. He didn't do a fucking thing. I didn't know what he did to him, but he's always called you. I hope he had to result. I love J. Cole.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I told you I love J. Cole, but I got to speak the truth. Y'all people don't want me to speak the truth up here. I can't sit up here. Let's get off in that. Okay. Okay, but the one game he played in, what did he do? everything. He missed, he missed.
Starting point is 00:16:48 He hit the fucking number on the top, 24. He had a wide open three. 16 hour flight. You're a rapper. You never, this guy wants the feature. This guy wants the feature. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:17:03 I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt. It's one game. If he played the half a season, a quarter of season. Said that boy right now. How you know next game? He said, you know what, man. stunk up the blakes, man. They waved him after one game.
Starting point is 00:17:18 One game. When I said, I'm arguing with team back. Tracy McGrady's sitting where you sitting at. Y'all, he's good for 12. He's just, that's a kid. Don't fuck. Tracy McGrady said he's good for eight. You said he's good for 12.
Starting point is 00:17:32 I didn't say anything. What I say he was good for. Zero! I told you. It was not going to happen, beloved. You gave him four. I gave him four with the wide open. When you triple team the guy,
Starting point is 00:17:46 he's wide open under the pay. I gave him four. You're right. You're a double felon. I, y'all don't want no truth. Y'all don't want no truth. He thought a sad thing. He's a fucking.
Starting point is 00:17:57 He called everybody. No, I'm going to just kiss everybody ass. I'm going to just lie. You, listen, I, if you was there, you, my brother, if you were in any tall, if you were to get him somehow a 10-day contract, on a professional softball team. And the first game you pitch
Starting point is 00:18:18 them put your shit off four of a row consecutive. I still hope. He only pitched one game. They did that Yankee Stadium. C.C. Sabathia got the charity. He went on ESPN and told him I'm the legendary pitcher of the South Browns. The biggest hit like five home runs off
Starting point is 00:18:36 from me back to back. See what I'm saying? I was up. They did not meet me in two in two minutes. They're like, you know. Yo, Joey, get the fucker. Thank you. You know how they come out?
Starting point is 00:18:47 They were like, okay, buddy. Let's go. Rich, why he was trying to fight the whole guy. He was just like he's out bum. He's dragged. Rich want to fight the whole crowd. I see your wish. Calm down.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Charity. Jim. I retired. It's the same thing. He needs to retire officially. He did. No, no. Like, forever.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Don't do it. Don't do. Jay Cole don't come out. Let's talk about your night. you did. No, no, I want to talk. Hold up one thing. Because,
Starting point is 00:19:18 because Cheryl Swoogh when you play them three-pointers was unconscious. Like, I watched you shoot from anywhere. And just, what was it?
Starting point is 00:19:32 The same thing that T-Mack took the basket felt this big? Because I watched you pull up and you were just shooting that shit. Like, how you know what's going in?
Starting point is 00:19:42 I think for me, just knowing the work I put in, that was the hard part. The easy part was the actual games because I knew I was prepared for it. Oh, okay. You know, very Beyonce and J-Lo-like, right? Can I explain?
Starting point is 00:20:04 Why are you making that face? Like Beyonce and J-Lo will practice for a show. Say they have a show and mate. they'd be going for a month straight where they don't give a fucking a bomb land or something. They got that fucking... They ain't never fucking up.
Starting point is 00:20:20 They practice so much. That's the two artists that I know of that practice more than anybody when they got like... So, Beyonce had a whole documentary based on Coachella. She was practicing for like two months.
Starting point is 00:20:37 I know my daughter watching this shit all day in the house. I'm like, she's like, what? She practiced in two months for one show. So you saying, yo, I practiced so much that I just knew. I'm going to tell you something else that sounds weird, but you had a signature face. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Yeah, like, Cheryl Swoops, you can't get her confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look, right? And so, like, I'm looking at Cheryl Swoops. I said, she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else. We all have our own face. Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else, meaning Shell swoops, sure, shrewps.
Starting point is 00:21:23 We don't get to confuse. Shell what? Shell swoop, shell, swoo. We don't get to confuse with nobody else. You got your own distinctive. You know, one time I landed in L.A. Six-hour flight. There we go.
Starting point is 00:21:36 And I went in the gas station. And somebody ran in, it was like, fat jaw, I swear to God. I came off the plane tired, wiping my eyes, went in the gas station, somebody parked the car and ran in. And they could only see the back of my head. So I'm like, ladies, can I get a picture? I said, how did you see me? I saw the back of your head while I was pumping gas.
Starting point is 00:21:59 I knew it was you. Meaning that you have a distinctive look. Like, I won't miss you nowhere. I'll be like, yo, that's Cheryl Swoom. You got a distinctive head. I don't know if I've ever heard that before. Huh? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:18 I'm telling you. I know what I'm talking about. You have. You have. Okay. It was no game I ever looked at and you was playing. I felt like that once you shrill. Yeah, that's her.
Starting point is 00:22:29 She got her own look. And that's a good thing. Nowadays, you don't know who's what. Who's who? They all look the same. The good thing. All of basketball. player, man basketball players,
Starting point is 00:22:40 they all look the same. No, they don't. It's when. It all looked the same. You could get confused. You could get confused with LeBron and Nate Babies. Not a difference.
Starting point is 00:22:56 But Satsuan, Satiwan, Satsuan from the Knicks, Sochon and Kelly Ubrae might look the same. Like, all them dudes look the same. I don't know. right, maybe I'm off the subject. Fuck. Now, all light skin.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Two-time felon. What kind of coffee? Not all light skin, but all these guys look the same. Okay, I'll leave it at that. Are you saying, like, their facial features or their games? No, no, their games are different. What I'm saying is their facial feature, guys got the same tattoo of Jesus on their cheek. Stop that. You know, they all got the same shit.
Starting point is 00:23:37 Stop that. guys all look like each other, bro. I'm telling. Back to the signature shoe. How was it back then having your own signature shoe? How's your relationship with Nike still? I have a great relationship with Nike. You know, people always talk about, like, goals and dreams and things that they wanted to do growing up.
Starting point is 00:23:58 That was the one I had on my list. Like, I had a list of, here's what I want to do in life, right? I want to play in the Olympics. I want to meet Michael Jordan. and all those things. I never wrote down, I want to someday have my own shoe. Because back then,
Starting point is 00:24:15 that just wasn't something that we thought about. And there was no brand, no company that was giving a woman her own signature shoe. And you said it early, especially not knowing if the shoe would sell. And, you know, people aren't really, so they said, people aren't really into it's basketball.
Starting point is 00:24:35 And I just, I remember going and Nike and sitting down and having a conversation. And the question was, what do you look for in a basketball shoe? Because I wore men's shoes. I played in men shoes. There were no women's shoes. And I gave them this whole rundown of this is what's important to me in a basketball shoe. And the end of that conversation was, well, we're going to design a women's basketball shoot. And that excited me because I was like, finally, we'll have a shoot. And then they said, and we're going to name it after you.
Starting point is 00:25:09 And I heard it, but I didn't hear it. So there was no reaction. And then they said, we're going to call it the Nike Air Swoops. And I cried. And I cried. Wow. So just for a very short time, I was like, wow, like this was really happening to me. But then it became bigger.
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Starting point is 00:30:35 I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Yeah. Just because we? Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion at the 50th season. from the final attempts at gameplay to the desperate pleas of finalists
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Starting point is 00:31:10 getting paid for the league at the time or was it more like a look Well, you know, I had a Nike contract. But even my Nike contract back in the day wasn't like, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't an Asian Wilson. Kate Clark, 28 million. I had a number one song I was getting $500 a show. They played me legend. But the thing is, honestly, I didn't even, like, you could give me $100,000 and I was like, oh, that's a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:31:40 That was a lot of money for me. Like, the way I grew up, where I was from. But that wasn't the thing that was important. What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening. Greatness. Like, somebody is thinking outside of the box. And to come from, yeah, I know I'm going to let you talk. But coming from.
Starting point is 00:32:00 I want to just finish what I'm saying. That a finish. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. No, I forgot what I was saying. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:32:09 Oh, I'm sorry about that. I forgot. 18-100. I wanted to say. Hey, T-Henna. I wanted to say, get back at that brown. Yeah, girl.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Yo, listen, you go. That's not brown. Now, what is it? 10, beige? It's clear. Clear. Growing up. Like, growing up, you grew up in Texas, correct?
Starting point is 00:32:28 Mm-hmm. And practice it and every, and then you finally get to college and you become a superstar. That's what I want to allude to. Like, did you ever, ever have an idea that you was going to make it to that level? Like, did you ever look back in time?
Starting point is 00:32:44 looked at the court and said, y'all, I remember when I was a kid and I could never believe I would be under these bright lights. I think so. Like, I grew up in a very small town and I played ball with my brothers and my brother's friends.
Starting point is 00:33:04 But, like, I knew there was something special about my talent and my ability on the basketball court. There was nothing else I wanted to do. It was me, a basketball, if that was playing with guys, not playing with guys, on the court by myself. I had a goal and a dream of I'm going to change my mom's life. And I knew the only way to do that was to get an academic scholarship and go to college, get an athletic scholarship.
Starting point is 00:33:39 and I just, I never allowed failure to like, it wasn't an option. I never allowed like negative thoughts, any of those things to enter my mind of what if this doesn't work out. What if wasn't an option for me? This was it. It was it. You know, I think because, you know, sometimes I get to thinking, you know, I'm still in the same neighborhood. I live in a different place but my car drives around the same neighborhood
Starting point is 00:34:14 I grew up in almost every day so I think about going with my mother to welfare hard time free cheese like I just can't escape it because you know unlike a lot of other places when you really get to know New York
Starting point is 00:34:31 it's like one giant get them so it's like you know like wherever you go you remember you know, oh, this is where I used to come with my mother and father, but beastie, Charlie, this way I, you know, so for me, like, it's insane for me to just understand, like, the life we're living now. It's like, no doubt.
Starting point is 00:34:52 It just don't make sense. Like, I'd just be like, wow, this is crazy. Well, but I also think this. So when I go back home, where I grew up, I think it's good for them to be able to see people like yourself in Jada. myself so they can look at us and say, if they did it, we can do it. I was the same. My mom was on welfare. We had the free cheese. My mom worked the cafeteria. She cleaned houses, days where we come home, the lights weren't on. Like, I had all of those things. And I think at any point, we could
Starting point is 00:35:27 allow that to define us and have an excuse of saying, well, this is all I know. This is all I've seen. So this is what my life is going to be. But I think. think we chose differently, right? But I don't think it's a bad thing to be in your neighborhood, to go back to your neighborhood. But to be able to show all of the people in your neighborhood, this is where I came from. But that doesn't mean this is who you have to be as you get older. I love that. I love that more.
Starting point is 00:35:59 That's official. Life is hard, though. Definitely. I'm like life, life is hard. It never gets easy. Ever. But I have moments where I have two older brothers and a younger brother. I don't have any sisters.
Starting point is 00:36:16 But there are times, anytime I get together with my brothers and we sit and we having drinks or like we're having a nice dinner. And some people may look at this or hear this and be like, what? But it means something to me to be able to sit down, oh God, I would cry. but to sit down and have a nice $1,000 meal with my brother's. You know, and to say, growing up the way we did,
Starting point is 00:36:45 I don't think any of us ever thought that would be possible. You know? So to be able to do that now and like not think twice about it, it means something. Yeah, absolutely. It's a blessing. It's big time. And so...
Starting point is 00:37:00 I'm probably the only person that's set on this couch and pride with y'all. No, no, I might have cried, huh? No, I'm not going to cry. No, no, but I like that, though, because it's showing your truth. And that's where I was trying to get to, because for no disrespect, we're from the big city. And I'm looking at you with all that excellence. I'm like, she's from a little town of Texas.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Like, what was that walking on the side of the highway? I was just in Houston. I be thinking about, we talk about Jay Cole. Jake Cole from Fayette Bill North Carolina. That's a little, little, little, little town. He does stadium to talk of everything. That's a big fucking deal. At least us, we saw Grandmaster Flash.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Or you seen Fat Joe on Fordham. I mean, to come from like the littlest town, that's the person. Like that, I see Fat Joe on. Yeah. Fuck, I see Fat Joe on Fottom. Yeah. and they respect. He's like four years younger than me,
Starting point is 00:38:03 so he likes to, you know, rub that in. Four is a lot when you back in the days. Yeah, yes. Back in the day. Yeah. Four is a lot when you start becoming. I was telling somebody on Easter, we were sitting around,
Starting point is 00:38:17 and they were like, yo, but how did you get bullied? Right, when I was younger, I used to get beat up every day. And I was like, yo, I was like 12, 13, and my brother was already, like 18. So that little six year,
Starting point is 00:38:32 he can't come beat up 12 year olds or 13 year olds. He's a grown man already. He's already 18. So that age difference you talking about, it really is the difference. They were like, why you ain't caught your brother? I said, my brother can't come beat up these kids.
Starting point is 00:38:48 These kids 12, 13, 14. He's 18. I couldn't even get my brothers. They was too big. That's crazy. That don't matter. coming outside. Facts. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:39:02 Facts. Any age. You got to get your brother. Mm-hmm. I used to see mothers come in there and start beating the teachers up the door.
Starting point is 00:39:10 You ever see that? When they come in with Vaseline on that face? You're like, Miss Wickens, you bring your ass outside. Yeah. We're going to see it,
Starting point is 00:39:18 my son. Oh, I'm busting your ass. No, I've seen the most ratches. He said Vaseline on the face. Vaseline on the face. Come outside, bitch. I bust your ass.
Starting point is 00:39:33 That's crazy. That's a little bit. How does it feel to win four championships back in the row? Four in a row. That's like, how did it feel? Did it start feeling like slaughter after three and two? I felt like this AC in the back of my neck is slaughter right now. We got it cool.
Starting point is 00:39:57 You got to make my shit like the four. And cool? Cool. You know, warm it up. No, we need you nice. I got a fan. Was the feeling the same after the first thing? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I think once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more and more. And I do think, in a way, I think that's what's a little bit different about, like, this generation right now that's playing. You have some that,
Starting point is 00:40:30 that are hungry. Like, they got that dog, they want to win, and they want to keep winning. But for us back then with the comments, it was, like, we weren't going to lose. You know? And when you have players,
Starting point is 00:40:48 myself and Kup and Tina and Kim Parade and Wanda Geithin and Janeth Arcane from Brazil, by the way, who's one of the best that's ever played the game, when you see the work ethic that we brought, can y'all turn this air? Now, I need a pool shi-sty mask. Because my boy's true.
Starting point is 00:41:07 It's right over here. This shit goes back to my name. I'm enjoying it, bud. I need to pull daddy. You got a pool shiasty with you? Because this shit on the back of my neck, legendary. I can't even, I can't. I can't.
Starting point is 00:41:21 I can't finish answering because y'all warming up. Because my boy is like, 18. 100. I'm proud of you. That's warm you up, Coach Dawnstant. Oh, that's my.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Girl. Listen, I love. Dawn Stanley. Oh, you said Stanley? I didn't hear Stanley. I just heard dog. You don't get nobody's name. Staley.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Take the N out. Yeah. I know she throw that shit on. Facts. She even fly the fuck on that sideline. She one thing she's going to do? Stow that shit. Stow that shit on.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Like, every game. She's playing with them. Yeah. I love that. That's my girl. I love me some daughters. Since you asked me that question, did you watch the Final Four? No.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah, I did. Yes, I did. Who was? Did you? No, I did. Was the Final Four girls? Well, were the guys in the... No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I'm talking about the girls. Yeah, I watched the girls. Connecticut and all that. Did you watch the Connecticut, South Carolina? Yes. Did you watch to the end? Yes, when the man didn't want to give up... What did you think about that?
Starting point is 00:42:25 Gino. Yeah. You're talking to the wrong. God, because they'll throw us off of Netflix. I got a different... You know, my shit. I be trying to tell these guys, I'm radical.
Starting point is 00:42:35 Like, y'all, I read through the lines like a motherfucker. Like, I... What was that? All that shit bothering me. Today, I went to an Hermes cell. They fucking... They checked my fucking Social Security number. They damn there looked at my ass and asked me
Starting point is 00:42:50 what the fuck I was walking in there with it. I got one. I got one. I got one. I got one. Yeah, you got one. But let me tell you. Yeah, you know it. I'm going to tell you one thing.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I'm going to tell you one thing all them people knew. I'm rich as fuck. Come on. And they still was praying with me. No, for real. Talk about it. No, not. Don't get it fucked up.
Starting point is 00:43:11 They know who the fuck I am. They know my shit. They know I'm holing. They know what stuff. Yeah. I'll get it. Fuck. Talk about it.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Come on. Let's hear about this. Social Security, Q card, this. That is it this. wait, excuse me, sir, let us email the this, this, that. They didn't do all that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:33 All that shit, that bothers you. Right? Because I believe in all of us are one. That's the country. That ain't happening. I don't care. I believe. That's how I believe. True.
Starting point is 00:43:48 I believe, too. No matter what the history of the future. No matter what the history of this country is, I never forget. But I like to take people. people at face value. And when the guy told me take the prison
Starting point is 00:44:02 over it in the dogs. They didn't slip like that for that. No, but I know. That's the same thing. No, I got to tolerate it, but it was hard. I walked in the airport. The whole man said,
Starting point is 00:44:13 put him in the prisoner line. Like, there's a line apparently. About you? Yes. We was at the NASCAR with MJ. Flex. How about that?
Starting point is 00:44:23 Come on. And when we go home, he got his security and his partner and is managing with him and one of these two cuts playing TSA guys and said, no, the prisoner
Starting point is 00:44:35 infants is over. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You prisoner. That way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he didn't get that. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:44:44 I said a cold bank crumb, God damn. We could have had a whole seven 47. Okay, wait. Wait, wait. You know, wait. We could have had a 1747. We could have had some shit.
Starting point is 00:44:54 No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Wait. Did that really happen? Yes. And he didn't get mad as Hermes School. Shut of Hermes. I love you guys.
Starting point is 00:45:05 No, but hold on because I'm going to come back to that. The security process is a bit too much for me for this sale, but I do love you guys at Hermes. So what did you do? I didn't talk about Irmast. I looked at the dude. It was a lady there named Tunisia. Sister ran over so fast she heard that she said,
Starting point is 00:45:26 We're not like that. That's just him. She said, she knew I'm the mother for the south. She knew what's your man? Jimmy, what was my man from wrestling? The mouth for the south? Jimmy Hart. She knew that motherfucker got a podcast.
Starting point is 00:45:42 He ran over sister. Don't talk on the podcast, please. We're not like this guy. Don't go there. It's Tunisia. I said, no, Tunisia. I'm going to make sure you out the smoke. But this guy right here, you know,
Starting point is 00:45:55 I've seen a picture of him because we, took a picture of them. The other day I'm looking through my phone, the airplane, you know, because I look at my phone when the airway. The lawsuit's still available. Nah, I ain't fucking with that. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I know about it. I know it's just a
Starting point is 00:46:08 lawsuit. How about, let me give you a nice one. No, it is. But I do want to know, you, you said that you didn't like it. Oh. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. You tell me what you thought about that
Starting point is 00:46:24 where he didn't respect. That was the same thing as Gina. Oh, I let my feelings be known. All right, but I want to know. But you ain't answered my question again. Uh-huh. I feel horrible. But you didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:46:37 What did you not like about it? You know what he made me feel like. It made me feel like, you know, we black and brown go on a prison in line. I couldn't have just been a normal person who purchased the ticket. That's what he did to me. And he doubled down on the shit. enough where everybody
Starting point is 00:46:56 and their mother ran over and was like, yo, sorry about what, holy shit. Like, I went on the plane, they opened the door back on. Immediately,
Starting point is 00:47:04 I would have said, I can't fly. Elizabeth, uh-huh. I would have took it to the max. All of that. I would have took it there. You kidding?
Starting point is 00:47:13 Listen, I'm good with letting somebody some co-worker who see this show come up to the band and be like, you know, the guy,
Starting point is 00:47:19 look. It's the guy you, obviously one of the guys, because he, He's probably like an Archie Bunker. He'd do that shit every day. Yeah, you know, when you got that in you, you got that in you. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:47:31 So, you know, so what you thought about him not dapping up the coach? Well, first of all, I think the whole story of she didn't shake my hand before the game, all that. But she did. She did. But here's my question. She's mad he got his ass. That is true.
Starting point is 00:47:50 But here's my question. So what if she didn't shake your, it's a fucking, it's a, It's a handshake. It's a handshake. If you don't want to shake my hand, I'm cool with it. I'm a beat your ass and we'll keep it moving. Yes. But you said you got that worked up over a handshake
Starting point is 00:48:05 when at the end of the day it was all about you got beat. But the part that really bothers me, though, is as a black person, in particular a black woman, we're always expected to take the higher road. we're always expected to just be like, oh, well, it's okay, we'll sweep it under the rug. But it continues to happen. But it continues to happen. They would have made me the animal
Starting point is 00:48:32 on the 12 o'clock news. They would have been like, rapper, it's going crazy in the airport. They would have did that the huh? Well, yeah, but my point is this. At some point, like, when do we say, like, enough is enough, though? It's just a question of conversation
Starting point is 00:48:49 because I know Don came out and, you know, she said the season's over, it's time to turn the page. And I respect Dawn for that. Like, I'm all, I'm right or die. I'm always going to hold it down for Don.
Starting point is 00:49:01 But my thing is, like, I'm not ready to turn the page. I don't have to turn the page. But because that's what she does, I get all of that. I just, we're always making excuses for, oh, well, Gino probably did this because.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Somebody else is ignorant. Yeah. And I just, I thought it was so disrespe. But in that moment, you took away one of the most special part of a college athlete's career. And that's playing in the final four. And they had just beaten an undefeated team. Like let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Because it wasn't about you. It was about Dawn had a better game plan. right? And she outcoached you in that game. And I'm not going to sit up here and say Gino's not a good coach. He's one of the best that's ever coached our game. But that moment alone,
Starting point is 00:50:04 to me, really put a stain on his coaching program. Oh, no, for sure. It was very ugly and sometimes you can't apologize enough. Sometimes you already, damn, you're on it like that. Well, and my thing is, I would
Starting point is 00:50:21 I would just, I'm afraid that you're not even apologize. Based off of, no, no, no, no, you got to apologize. No, but the reason I say that, though, but based off of that initial apology that you put out there, where you didn't even call her name
Starting point is 00:50:37 and say, I apologize to Don. Like, if that's the apology that you're putting out there, I don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we've been through some shit, but let me tell you. something.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Them 51 points you scored in that game. Man, you had them dizzy that game, man. What game? I've seen the game. I'm looking at the Cheryl Swoop's highlight. It was a game. You score 51, right? Am I correct?
Starting point is 00:51:06 Well, I don't know what game you're talking about. How many 51? What? No, I have a... It was 53, though. It was 53. And that's what I mean. You're just shooting unconscious, gross shit.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Like, that shit was crazy. I mean, to me, you know, to have a game like that. But you know, this is what I was saying the other day. I don't want people to kill me. You want me on a podcast? You don't want me to talk after talk. This, Cheryl Spooke's with 53 is very, very understandable. Bam, bam out the bio.
Starting point is 00:51:41 Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yo, bam, I'm sorry, Bam. Bam. You know, I got mad love for you.
Starting point is 00:51:50 You did not know the day before, let me ask you a question, Cheryl. You being honest, right? The day before he scored 83, was it in your, what they call that board? Was it in that? What they call that? Was it in your bingo card that Bamban, Bongoise was going to score 83 the next day? But it wasn't on my bingo part that I was going to score 53 either. Yeah, but I knew you, but you can.
Starting point is 00:52:12 And you're a superstar, four-time champion, Olympic, this, this, this, this, this, that. Bam-Bam out the body. yeah, he earned it. Al-Dabio. Whoa. I said it the other day, people got upset with me because I'm like, it wasn't in my bingo card. Now, the top five, who's on that top five list?
Starting point is 00:52:31 Kobe, Willis Reed, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. These are all swirl troops. These are names that you expect to score 53 and be on the top of the list. Disappointed me. I got love for Bab. Ow! He just said he's not capable of being the second highest score.
Starting point is 00:52:53 And let me tell you what I did just to let you know. After I said that shit, I went back and watched that whole game again. I watched it originally the last, the fourth quarter. I went back. He came. He was pulling. He came up. I think his first shot at the game.
Starting point is 00:53:10 What were they playing? I watched it did. Wizards. You know, they might have had Jay Cole on that team. You agree? I do. I don't know what this guy's doing. I don't get me shot it under this.
Starting point is 00:53:23 83 is 83. That's hard. That's hard to do. What? This teams can't score 83. I'm just saying maybe a little more defense or something perhaps. Well, that's not his fault. No, it's not.
Starting point is 00:53:38 That's just like I get upset when people talk about all of Angel Reese's offensive rebounds. We'll box her ass out. I love him. If you don't want her to rebound, box her out. Angel is doing exactly what she. supposed to do. I'm going to go rebound because I know y'all can't stop me. Joe and Jada show.com. We got new merch. Fresh off the presses. Go get it. Bade. Bound. Going to jadishow.com. You can get these a little cold for a t-shirt with a lidita. It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large.
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Starting point is 00:54:45 Think of it like your big sister guide to the digital world. Follow that digital take on IHeart Radio or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts. Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later. We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?
Starting point is 00:55:28 Oh, I would. Come on. Can you believe? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict.
Starting point is 00:55:40 You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country.
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Starting point is 00:57:07 and for Mental Health Awareness Month, we're dedicating a series to understanding the mind when it struggles. I'm joined by doctors, researchers, and those with lived experience. We'll talk with singer-songwriter Jewel about anxiety. I started living in my car, and then my car got stolen. I was shoplifting. I was having panic attacks. I was agoraphobic. and making it through hardship. To be present is a learned skill,
Starting point is 00:57:33 and it's hard to be present. We'll talk with John Nelson about clinical depression and the brain implant that saved his life. What I learned is that procedure made me happy because I'm disease-free. And we'll talk with leading experts like Judd Brewer about anxiety and John Hirschfield about obsessive-compulsive disorder
Starting point is 00:57:53 and the science of how the brain can change. This is a month of deeply personal and honest conversations about what happens when the brain goes off course and what we can do about it. Listen to Inner Cosmos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Angel, what? Adja. Oh, no. Asia. That's a boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Man, man, man, had a fire. Listen, nobody in the league is Asia. Asia is Asia. Asia is Asia. Asia is her. She's a cry. For real. Shaw Swoops. What's up?
Starting point is 00:58:37 Top five. WMBA plays, ball time. Top five. You're top five. Because you're over there, so you ain't. Am I putting myself in or no? No. Okay, I'm not putting myself in.
Starting point is 00:58:49 You already on the man. We don't do that. We top five. I'm putting myself in or no. No. You already. You already grandpa. I fucking pull yourself.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Fuck is she want to put it. You already untieed it. Okay. Lisa Leslie. Cynthia Cooper. Diana Tarasi. Tina Thompson. Woo!
Starting point is 00:59:16 One more. Um. I know. I hear somebody saying Maya. I love Maya. I'll tell you why I'm not putting her there. We love that. 1800s.
Starting point is 00:59:30 What top five. Lauren Jackson. Lauren Jackson. You don't even know who that is. I'm not familiar with... Let me tell you something. When I was going to the WNBHA since day one, I was the only guy in the audience.
Starting point is 00:59:47 They're looking at me like I'm crazy. Yeah, yeah. Come to the shit out. You can stop that. You can throw the flag. You ain't got a hippie in my... I didn't hit you in the face. Stop that.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Stop that. Let me tell you. Find the footage when he was the only person at the WNBA. The only man. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, it was a time when I was going to the WMBA where men were scarce in there. That sounds bad. Very scared.
Starting point is 01:00:25 That's different. In a play, you come up to be like, yo, thank you for supporting our sport. It was so, it wasn't like it is now. No, no. Back then it was, they do. They do. Back then was with his phone, Sue Byrd. What's my girl, Becky Hammond.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Oh, they was, they was all get busy out there. Like, I've been a WNBA fan. I'm dead. You don't got one. Google the picks. When did it start? When were you were the first WMBA? 97.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Go find a picture of me in 97 in the fucking WNBA. See if I'm a fucking WNBA. fucking lie. You take all your flags back. No, no, but you said you were the only man. It's why we were winning in the corner of law. What did he say? That he was the only man at the NBA games. I rest my case, Your Honor. I'm Jack.
Starting point is 01:01:21 I'm Jack. I'm talking in theory, context. Who was your favorite Liberty player? I used to know. Witherspoon. I love Witherspoon. I love Well, now I love Sabrina. I love Britney. I love Stozy's Greta. I love
Starting point is 01:01:39 John Quill. I love the other but because you said back in the day you were the only man. So I'm just asking. One of the only man. I got spoon. Get them. Get them. What's the name? Becky Hammond.
Starting point is 01:01:57 A couple of them. Like I used to love All right. Yeah. That's what she... Early, though, right? Before coaching. I'm way before.
Starting point is 01:02:10 But I would agree with two of your top five. See, if I made my list, you'd be in it. But it's Lisa Leslie. Lisa Leslie was different. Okay. Okay. Lisa Leslie, was she the first woman to dunk? She was different.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Definitely. Lisa Leslie was. It's different. She's definitely in the rushmore for me. She's on mine, too. Huh? No, she's on Mount Rushmore. She's on your Mount Rushmore.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Yeah, she's under. For sure. What was it like when you seen her dunk for the first time? Did you see it like in practice or you saw her live? You're watching a game, ESPN, and you seen the dunk. What the hell is? Well, I had seen her dunk before. Also, like the Olympic team, like in practice and stuff.
Starting point is 01:02:59 So you know. Y'all knew. Y'all knew she could do. For me, it was like it's a matter of time before she does it in the game. Yeah. Like Lisa is really, really like that. You know, when you talk about, like, the WNBA today and the growth of the game, no doubt about it, like, the talent level is there today.
Starting point is 01:03:21 But the thing that bothers me is when people tend to forget, like, there have been players that have come through this league. like Elisa Leslie, that was the first to do it. But I'm, you know, I'm saying, no, the sponsorships, the brand deals, the opportunities, like all the eyes. Like, it wasn't like it is today. But I will say, we sold arenas out. All the time.
Starting point is 01:03:51 But let me explain, son, to you, right? When they gave Magic Johnson a million dollars, they put them on the cover of time. Now you got a bum making $239 million that he don't even play. Facts. These guys that don't even play. They make $200-something million. And you can't even compare.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I had a hit number one in the country. Flo Jaws getting $500 a show. I was doing three shows of Friday. I was hustling my ass off to make $1,500. What are you talking about, brother? Is that $1,800-touch the Sterebellum in a different way? Touched his What?
Starting point is 01:04:30 It's cerebral You know I'm fried Cheryl If nobody Is your public this here They didn't warn you That I'm fried I'm fried
Starting point is 01:04:39 Huh Oh Laud Everybody got to Listen Old fat Joe Is fried I'm fried
Starting point is 01:04:47 Don't mind me I'm fried now Because it's hot Up in How you feel about How you feel about The new expansion Teams
Starting point is 01:04:54 Coming to the I love it Love it Well, so this season. Put that AC back on. Put that AC back on. Because every time you put it on, it's the back of my neck.
Starting point is 01:05:03 You turk it off. She's sweating bullets. Put that AC back on. I'm going to be a gentleman about this. Because I was a lady when I actually. No, because that shit was cold as fuck one second. It felt good to me. That's all right.
Starting point is 01:05:15 Coming back. Maybe that 18. Make it up. Well, you know, so this season will have Toronto, Toronto and Portland, which I'm happy about. It's held portly. And then we have, T, what year do we get Philly, Detroit, and Cleveland?
Starting point is 01:05:33 29 at 30. So those three. Wow. And Tee, who do we get next year? Houston next year, baby. Because Houston comes at the expense of my Connecticut son, which is the team that I work for. So it's going to Sons is over, the comments come? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:51 That ain't why. So are they going to take the place from the Sons? Connecticut ain't. Yeah. Connecticut ain't, you know. That's like the Brooklyn Giants went over there. I do too. Yeah, I do too.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Cheers. Yeah, but they're talking about the... Change's going to come. They're talking about the fluidity. If Joe Lohstein could sell out that stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the comments. Connecticut, they ain't got that type of fluidity out there. They lose money at the casino.
Starting point is 01:06:23 Wait a little money for the... Did you say... You say if Joel Osteen could sell out the church? Joel Osteen sells out every weekend in Houston, a stadium, every fucking weekend. I was just in Houston. I wanted to. I swear to God, I almost stood an extra day to go to Joel Oste. Joel Austin, my favorite, man.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Your favorite, your favorite what? Favorite pastor. Joe Lohsten. I don't know how much trouble Joe Lohstine. got me out of, you know how many times the guy I was going to the parking spot the guy cut me off like, and I'm, and I'm like, Joe says
Starting point is 01:07:04 to chill, baby God got you. John, God got a better spot for you. I can't. I fucking love Joe Loston. If you look at Joe Losey's Instagram, I like every bitcher. I love Joe. I can't. I can't. I'm telling you want to lie to you.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Bullets. Every person I've been not ever Spirit, I'm sorry for this. Oh, my gosh. Jake, Greflo, Mace, everybody. That's some nerve.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Yeah. Wait a minute. Did you put Preflo? Did you put Preflo in it? Preflo, everybody did it? Yeah, you got to watch that movie. Hunk if you see G. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:07:46 When you see that movie, come back and talk to me. No, I was- I want to ask her a serious question. Did your brothers make you tough? Did they make, did they prepare? you. You got to. Y'all, we got to.
Starting point is 01:08:00 They help you. They help you. They're ready to be, you know. No doubt. No crying in basketball. Yeah. My, um, yeah, like, I didn't like my brothers. I love them.
Starting point is 01:08:14 I mean, they did. Yeah, I didn't like them. Every time they left to go play ball, I was, like, right behind them. Because my mom didn't want me to play. She was like, oh, that's for boys and you're going to get hurt. And I was like, Mama, I got to go. So my brothers would always say to me, don't you dare cry?
Starting point is 01:08:35 If you get hurt, if you fall, you better not cry. And I was like, that was words of wisdom. But I was like, why can't I cry if I get hurt? And they were like, because we'll get in trouble. If you cry and Mama finds out we're going to get in trouble. But where I grew up, there were never a lot of girls that wanted to play basketball. So I grew up in Brownfield, Texas, West Texas. We had a place we called Tiger Bowl.
Starting point is 01:09:02 So it was across the tracks. Every Sunday after church, we would walk home, change clothes, and we would walk back across the tracks to go play in the Tiger Bowl. It was just an outside court, no nets, and I was the only girl that was playing. So it was my brothers, and then just a lot of, just a lot of dudes that played. And that's where I learned how to play basketball. like the toughness that I got was from playing with all of those dudes.
Starting point is 01:09:31 And I always tell people when I watch basketball, even today, I think the women's game, like fundamentally, I think we're better because we really spend the time like working on our craft, like the ball handling and the shooting. And that's why we have really good shooters. but it's just natural that men are going to be tougher, stronger, they're going to jump higher, they're going to be quicker. And so when I played against the guys, those were things that I really worked on, like on defense.
Starting point is 01:10:07 And honestly, I think that's why I was a really good defender because I always went and played against the guys because I knew they were going to jump higher than me. So I had to be able to stay in front of them. I knew they were quicker. I had to be able to box them out. That's where I really think I became the player
Starting point is 01:10:25 that I was. You know what's crazy is the last game I played. 1770s. They didn't let you? No. No, no, no. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Because the defense. I'm about to, you know. I'm sorry. Can I explain? Can I? Yes, please do. Let him explain. Got Rizzi for me.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Yeah, come on. Explain. Come on, Joe, explain. Hey, let me score, Shale. You might. That just hurt me. Take your shot. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:11:06 What I'm trying to explain this. Okay. It's one thing you play in the game. You shoot, you score. But not tell you, every time I try to shoot, all five guys, All sides of the court jumped so high in the air.
Starting point is 01:11:25 They refused to let me. They were swinging at that shit. Like, yo, like, they did not want me to get a basket. They were in that air. Like, I remember, you know, boy, fuck, I was flying up to the circle. It was like, yo, we're not going to let Fat Joe score. What?
Starting point is 01:11:45 It was like, I don't know, maybe because I'm a rapper or something, but I'm trying to tell you, I remember. shooting. I need you to come out of retirement. And all the five players jumping up in the air like, yo, let me get a basket. I need you to come out of retirement.
Starting point is 01:11:58 Yeah. And I need them while my knees still got fluidity. I need to get in the celebrity All-Star game, NBA. If I could still let that take. Let's go. Yeah, let's go.
Starting point is 01:12:12 They told me I had to do something with lethal shooter. I had to go out. I had to do charity. And I did everything they told me to do. I did. I paid my ties to the church. And you still haven't been...
Starting point is 01:12:25 Hopefully this year they call me. Let's go. I only got enough. It's only about 18 months. I'm going to be courts off for that one. Yeah. Joe, you played a celebrity all-star game? I coached him one every time by 40.
Starting point is 01:12:40 You don't know I'm a legendary coach. Wait a minute, you coached and won by 40 every time? Greek basketball. I am the number one winning his... coached at the rocket in the history of mankind. All right. I won seven checks. All right.
Starting point is 01:12:56 In the NBA. In the NBA, in the NBA, they look to coach two celebrity basketball games and I won by 40 points both time. They don't want me to coach. All right. I was in jail and I coached the team. They were the bad news bad. They were dribbling like this.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Uh-huh. And I went in almost one in a chip. They sent me home. They were like, yes. The motherfucking fit. I felt bad for the motherfucker working in the kitchen with me. Every Saturday I was out there.
Starting point is 01:13:28 Let me see how they were dripping in one. Oh, my God. Let me tell you something. And you let him dribble like that. You know, I got friends that go to jail for a living. Yo. They gave me like the 10 jail commandments. And one of them was like,
Starting point is 01:13:47 don't argue about basketball, though, get into basketball. don't play basketball because that's where the fights happened. Somebody fire you, you fight, you argue over the Knicks, you this, this. I had a pamphlet.
Starting point is 01:14:00 I couldn't take it. Every Saturday morning I walked out there, them guys was getting beat by 10,000. They were driveling like this. So I went out there, I said, you stand here, you stand there, you here, you cut when the guy did.
Starting point is 01:14:13 They wind up winning. They start winning every game. Now the nice guys join our team, they thought it was like a rock in that motherfucker. We start winning every game. I got to the chip, but they let me home
Starting point is 01:14:26 their daughter a week before the chip. I don't lose. So let me stay at you. Listen, that's all. And I just, just last week I coached the game. Just last week I coached the game. That's all coaching.
Starting point is 01:14:41 What? Yes, you have coaching. I know. Just last week I coached the game. They had like a Jordan, Puerto Rican shit. They got a young. young Puerto Rican rapper, he's threatening me.
Starting point is 01:14:52 We beat that ass by 40. This May, IHart Radio celebrates Asian Heritage Month. Discover powerful stories, vibrant cultures, and unforgettable music. From inspiring podcasts to playlist that span east, south, southeast, and West Asian artists. The voices shaping our world. Listen now on the free IHRRADio app. And at IHardio.com. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart podcast presents soccer moms.
Starting point is 01:15:34 So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider.
Starting point is 01:15:45 This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got them. Do you want a white collar or something here?
Starting point is 01:15:59 Just take it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake.
Starting point is 01:16:11 That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio.
Starting point is 01:16:30 Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From My Heart Podcasts, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk.
Starting point is 01:16:56 One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America. apart. This is for Vietnam. I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. For free time. Let's get out.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Freedom for Vietnam. Run! Saigon, starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict. Sting here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the I-Heart Radio
Starting point is 01:17:30 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, it's Ryder Strong and Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And now the Pod Meets Twirled podcast. We're two men who were completely clueless to reality TV, who now have covered Dancing with the Stars, traitors, and we're gearing up for the season finale of Survivor. So yeah, now we're experts. I know we annoyed a lot of our listeners by our severe lack of survivor knowledge. That is the point of this show.
Starting point is 01:18:03 So, I'm just going to remind you, I have watched some Survivor. I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Yeah. Just because we... Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion in the 50th season from the final attempts at gameplay to the desperate pleas of finalists to a bunch of...
Starting point is 01:18:20 Ha, ha, ooh. Ha, ha, ooh. Again, we are experts. So make sure to tune in to PodMeets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to PodMeets Twirl on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't play that shit Hard rock that All right
Starting point is 01:18:39 What's the hard rock back This is a fucking fucking back Yeah 7 now Knowledge of the WMBA Early predictions What do you think We're going to win
Starting point is 01:18:52 This year Just ball heart Well I mean The Aces are the defending champions So you can't ever go against them I really If New York can stay healthy I like New York
Starting point is 01:19:04 But I'm going to tell you a team, and I said this last year, but they had so many injuries. Indiana fever. They got the pieces. Okay. And they did really good in the draft. Okay. No, no, no, I'll fuck me with you.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Don't mind me. No shit. Don't mind me. This is the menopause. This is the reverse menopause. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We said the hot flash. This cold is fuck up in this.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Kaylin Clark can stay healthy for one of old seasons. She got a shot at him. At MVP? Oh. That means no. No, no, no, no, no. So Caitlin Clark don't have a shot at MVP? What it means?
Starting point is 01:19:53 No, I didn't say it like that. Because here's what it means to me. She got to go and take it from Asia Wilson. Because Asia's the take, okay. because Asia is the real deal. And Asia ain't just going to let it go like that. But I would say
Starting point is 01:20:12 The light skin girl Her feet is hurt. She's hurt. She'll be bad, but I don't know how she'll be. Fees really good. But my, I would say Asia for sure is the top for me. I absolutely think if Caitlin can stay healthy,
Starting point is 01:20:31 I think Caitlin has a really good shot. I don't know. I don't know what what's going on with Stewie. I was just about to say. You know? Stoys is shit. I love Stu. But I don't know what's going on with Stewie.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Stewie's good, man. Real fucking good. She come from over there, Connecticut. Well, she played college. Yeah. Yeah, you come from upstate New York. No, Stewie's really good. No, she dead nice.
Starting point is 01:20:59 She did with it wasn't a chip. And I'm going to say something right here. Caitlin Clark is dead nice. You got to be healthy. Your honest, her best ability is available. Said again. Her best ability is available.
Starting point is 01:21:15 No doubt. With the fluidity, you have the new entity. Here's why I think Indiana has a really good shot to win a championship. Because you re-signed Kelsey Mitchell, which to me was, Kelsey Mitchell is the truth.
Starting point is 01:21:31 She is. You got a Leah Boston. you got Caitlin if she can stay healthy. Lexi Hall, I think, is a key part of what they do defensively. She's like the drama. I absolutely loved their draft pick, Raven Johnson. Ravens. Ravens, because I think, I think Raven's a true point guard.
Starting point is 01:21:54 Facts. And to me, one of the best parts of Caitlin's game is her passing ability. but I think when she's playing off the ball is when she is really good at scoring. And Raven Johnson running the point can move Caitlin off the ball. And because when Caitlin has a ball in her hands, everybody just kind of stands around.
Starting point is 01:22:21 And they're like, let's see what she's going to do. When she's playing off the ball and you have a true point guard like Raven, there's going to be a lot of movement. You got to guard Caitlin, Kelsey, Aaliyah, whoever that fourth player is going to be. Yeah, I like the pieces that they got. They will absolutely make some noise.
Starting point is 01:22:39 Let me tell you something. I'm going where I always go with the liberty. And that's a hard rock bet. My liberty and get busy. We picked up. My liberty. Look at me and say that. My liberty, and that's a hard rock bet.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Yeah, listen, my liberty. That's a hard rock bar. That's the top five that on life. My liberty is. dead nights. We picked up. Great pickup this year. She gets busy, man. I like us. She's the bad sister. And we beat Asia.
Starting point is 01:23:14 We beat Asia two, three years ago. Well, Asia beat you all. Yeah, but I just want you to know it ain't like she's four chips in the row. She's beatable. She's beatable. I'm just trying to tell you, my liberty, they don't play that shit. You know what I'm saying? Then we got the best match.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Got no fucking me. Yeah, Ellie. Ellie ain't no job. Ellie get busy, huh? Yeah, yeah. Do you know about, do you know who Ellie is inside the con? I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
Starting point is 01:23:43 I'm just asking, do you know? I don't know. Do you know? I don't know. I like it. I like it. I like legend. Gary.
Starting point is 01:23:53 Listen. Ellie's a rap. You said you don't want to know. Don't be telling, don't be telling nobody. No, that's got no. Gangster rap inside. She's the best. I know.
Starting point is 01:24:05 I know. You don't know. I know. Nah, nah, I'm gonna fuck the whole shit up. It's not good. But I know who Ellie is.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Don't tell it. Don't tell it. I know who Ellie is, but Ellie's the best mascot of the mother. Hands down. Hands down. What's the name of your podcast? Levels to this.
Starting point is 01:24:23 Levels to this. Levels to this. I love that name. And it's just Tariq and I just talking about all the different levels. I'm going out there. You all. that women go through. Dereika.
Starting point is 01:24:35 Dereka next to Julie, setting it up. Julie, Julie, we're going on their podcast, scheduling it. He's full of shit. So just no. Set it up.
Starting point is 01:24:48 Terrika, I'm giving you our word. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Our word. I like that. I like that. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:24:59 Yes. Let me ask you a question, NBA. Yeah? What are your predictions out the east, south, the west? Oh, heart rock. That kid is on this high rock. What's he said? I haven't been watching the NBA.
Starting point is 01:25:13 Oh, I take that. I take that also. Look at his family. I'm just like, I, like, no disrespect to anybody. I thought you was just addicted to basketball in life. You know? I love basketball. Well, you watch it now that you retire.
Starting point is 01:25:27 Are you watching Jeopardy? Are you watching Jeopardy? Paradise. and black. Paradise is paradise. I didn't understand that. Have you seen the imperfect woman yet with Kerry Washington? I got you.
Starting point is 01:25:41 I gotcha. You're going to love that shit. I don't think I've seen that one. I'm telling you a perfect woman on Apple TV with Kerry Washington. Okay. That's that shit. I'm watching that. You know I love stories go? You kill a husband. The husband kill a wife. Everybody going after
Starting point is 01:25:57 the real. The same shit. I'm tired at Lifetime Channel. Okay. I can do this. Blind. They can throw on the show in Lifetime. I can pause it and be like,
Starting point is 01:26:06 all right, the husband killed the wife or the wife killed the husband. Somebody's going after the money. Yeah, Lifetime, yeah. That's all Lifetime is. I don't know. I don't watch this shit all day.
Starting point is 01:26:17 You know, Netflix. On Sunday. Put out some stats. You know, breakfast club. It's the new breakfast club. They were number one. We were number. They got like 50.
Starting point is 01:26:26 I don't know the numbers. Okay, I'm going to tell you. All right. In Netflix, standings right now, the Breakfast Club was number one. Number two was Bridgington. You know,
Starting point is 01:26:38 that's the number one show in the world. They got the actors. Number three was how I kill my husband. This shit is on that lifetime. That's a three podcast. Number four was Peter Davidson. Number five was Joe and Jay. Yeah. Not bad for the rookies of the year. Yeah, let's go.
Starting point is 01:26:57 Top five, dead all up. Yeah. Top five. Tears. I'm toasting to y'all being top five. We're number one everywhere else. Hold up, I got it. Y'all trying to get me twisty. I got my last little bit.
Starting point is 01:27:14 White 1800, girl. 1800. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kids. Make some noise for Cheryl. Slow. Not over.
Starting point is 01:27:34 You see it? No, you... That's fucked up. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
Starting point is 01:27:52 This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There are times when the mind becomes a difficult place to live.
Starting point is 01:28:15 This is David Eagleman with the Inner Cosmos podcast, and for Mental Health Awareness Month, we'll talk with singer-songwriter Jewel about anxiety. I started living in my car, and then my car got stolen. I was having panic attacks. I was agoraphobic. This is a month of deeply personal and honest conversations. about what happens when the brain goes off course. Listen to Intercosmos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:28:43 Your 20s can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing, and honestly, just kind of lonely. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. I was six years into my career, the 80-hour weeks. and just the first one in, the last one out, and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s that I, like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase out of my skin, and I just, like, really regret not living in the present more.
Starting point is 01:29:14 You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I told myself can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage. the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month,
Starting point is 01:29:37 tune into the podcast Deeply Well with Debbie Brown if you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole. This podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to Deeply Well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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