Joe and Jada - Tamar Braxton on Fat Joe's APOLOGY for Toni-Birdman rumor, Cash Money Verzuz, reality TV

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by R&B royalty Tamar Braxton. Joe and Jada talk to the "Love and War" singer about growing up alongside her sister Toni in a superstar family, her much-discussed appearance supporting Birdman at the Cash Money vs. No Limit Verzuz battle, her new music film and EP 'Heartbreak Retrograde' available on YouTube, female singers like Kehlani and Summer Walker doing big things in the R&B game, and her popular appearances on reality television shows like 'Braxton Family Values,' 'Dancing with the Stars,' 'Celebrity Big Brother 2,' and 'RuPaul's Drag Race.' Joe also takes the time to apologize to Tamar for mistakenly spreading the false rumor of Toni and Birdman's divorce. 5:00 - Birdman's Verzuz & Joe apologizes for Toni Braxton rumor 9:30 - Why Tamar likes hood dudes 20:00 - Tamar's 5 favorite songs 39:00 - 'Bridezillas' & film work 45:30 - 'Heartbreak Retrograde' & Tamar plays "Love Me" for Joe & Jada 53:30 - Tamar's favorite Toni song 55:30 - Women are running R&B right now [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, they do. But, you know, they got to come with something. I didn't say they can't come through the tech. Didn't you just hear me say he got that, that's all that, all that's all that. That's got it. They got a conversation. Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn.

You know who it is, your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And we are crushing shit. It is. Today's guests, when you think of today's guest, you think a family. Family.

There we go, Joe. You go, I'm with you, boy. I'm with you. It's wine on the intro. You definitely think of family. You think of somebody that can sang. If you're from the hood, you know, is singing and it's saying. None of you hit him with the A-N-G.

You sing. Think a great actress. Think of reality. You think of. just family-driven, big family, a lot of sisters, a lot of powerful sisters, good background, good cooking.

Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guests, Damar Braxton. That was good. That was good. It's safe to say the black sheep of the family, correct? Yeah, I think so.

The baby. The youngest. How many sisters altogether? Four sisters. Four sisters. You're the baby. The youngest. Youngest.

So, and you're the black sheep. Most motivated. Yeah. I'm like that, too, in my family. Really? I just can't find another motherfucker like me in my family. No, no, I'm dead ass. I'm coming up on a plane with my favorite aunt, Thetie Barber.

You know, I took it down to Miami with me. She came back and we talked, and I'm like, I'm trying to find somebody else like me and my family. If only I had somebody else that want to move like me and want to conquer the world, I can't find one. And your family,

you are definitely the one. And I think I got it from Tony. I got a lot of my hustle from Tony. Yeah. Tony, Brad. This thing. Yo, Tony Brad. Yo, she's something.

I got to apologize because when we started the show, it was like the mother guys. You know what I'm saying? So I was listening to the radio, on my way down there and they said her and Birdman caught a divorce or whatever and I actually said it on the end and I told them don't say don't say really yeah but I heard the whole radio saying the shit the morning show this issue this this that and I said some bullshit I just say yo they got divorced whatever but I want to apologize to you and your sister because that wasn't accurate and especially when I saw the verses I seen him running caller and uh And I said, I guess I was it. Hold on, Craig.

How was it? Because you was in the middle with it. I didn't mean to be in the middle of it. I was good. You did. I was showing up for my brother because he needs, and he asked me to be there. And Tony asked me to be there because she couldn't be there.

But it was iconic. It was amazing. You know, I love seeing him because that's my brother in real life. Like, I introduced Tony and Brian. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. And.

Brian. Birdman is, I never called him. Brian in my life. I never called you by government. certificate says bird man on me. That motherfucker birdman, you know what I'm saying? Well, to the world he's birdman, to me, that's my brother, Brian, who's my brother-in-law. Oh, done.

And I love the love that you gave him and the affection you get. I understood that. Okay. One billion percent. Like, you know, people were weird about it, but I was like, nah, fuck that. That man ride for them. She's going to ride for. You know, that versus is different.

You know, this guy's the king of verses. Right? But that versus, let me tell you someone. When Birdman told your sister, Mama, I was fighting. Yo, that shit. Because you in that versus, and you throw out of hit,

another guy hit you with another one. Boom, it felt like a real boxing match. Like, you're really in there and you're protecting your legacy. Yeah. People don't realize once you run in that arena, it's like, all right, like this, we're fighting for our legacy up in there.

So I understood his motivation behind it. but I also respected, you know, you standing up for your brother. I knew what it was. You ain't even had to explain that to me, but there's some people, you know, do-do words. Weird, very weird. Like, I think that I heard that I dated him first, which is preposterous. Yeah, we ain't. I dated him and I'm going to introduce him to my sister.

No, we're not dirty birds. We don't do that. You know what I'm saying? You know, he got Tony Braxton. You know, y'all got a special family over there, man. Yeah. Very special. You know, I'm not a fan of reality TV.

I don't know if I ever said that before, but I'm not. And, um, I'm... But why? I was in jail, man, and I seen Peter Guns on the screen, and I went back into my cell. I almost cried. You know, he's a real nigger from the street. Shut out the gun.

174th. And, you know, in jail, they're watching the loving hip-hop shit. Yeah. And I seen him, and I just walked right back to myself. I was like, damn. They got my boy Peter, but you know what they did good. from or whatever. Now he's the host of Cheetahs.

So I just think that definitely I take back. Well, I'm not big on that, but I've always watched the Braxton's. Oh, really? Yeah. Always been a fan.

What made you want to watch the Braxton? You. Oh. And, you know, I'm a big Tony fan. Yeah. Right? But really you, because I was rooting for you the whole term, I was like,

and then your ex-husband, I was like, yo, man, give her a fucking hit, man. Give her a, I'm screaming at the TV. Like, give her a hit. I understand. I think, is there not to point him out because he's a cool dude.

Yeah, that's my family too. That's my baby daddy cousin. That's your baby daddy cousin. He's cool as fuck, though. But I was like, you know, a lot of times when women get with super producers and all that and the stars for some reason, the guy never really slide them to hit, right?

They don't. And we used to beef up. We can do this over and over again. We're not talking about just you. I don't want to start the shit. Well, I see it all the time. time. I was like, damn, give her a hit.

It was like, nuclear missiles, you can't see. He had missile. Yes. But the man did, he was doing what? He was doing the biggest hits you ever heard of his fucking life. He could have said, hold up. This lean backs for her. You know, he could have did that.

That's what me, being in the business, being artists driven, artist friendly, like I said, I relate to you. I feel like I'm the black sheep in my family. I was like, give her the fuck. fucking hit. They can give her the head. I'm screaming at him. And you know what? Shout out to Vince because he did.

Wow. He really went out of his way. Loving War was massive. We got to play that sometime before we got to play that. He's really an R&B guy right here. Really? Yeah. But he's a R&B guy.

I think most hood dudes are like R&B. Like guys. Yeah. I like a hood dude. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because they like I do always have. Yeah.

Yeah, I do. They got to have some money or you just want a hood dude? They got to have the, you know, the razzle-dazzle, the thing, you know, the thing about him. You know what I got to be able to hold his own. You know, I like a man that want to show me off and hood dudes like that.

Yeah, they do. But, you know, they got to come with something. I didn't say that guy can't come through the same. Didn't you just hear me say he got that ad, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha. That shit got it. They got to come with, sir, because there's Eva, you got to do with money. Most of these dudes is lame.

You can keep that to yourself. But most these dudes, dudes is lame. Like, when niggas is seven-foot-tall doing the fucking squir-fat with the fucking all these bullshit, whatever little shit, sit, the little dad, that's shit. Niggas just doing the doggie in the club. I was like, nah, come on, bro, y'all got to be kidding. People like the dead, track.

Oh, you get a hood, dude. They ain't got no money, ain't got no sense. But, you know, I have a friend very, I have a lot of them. Okay. But I have a very famous friend, like big. And one day I mind my business because I usually don't mind my business. I see, yo, what's up with this nigga right here?

It was all her do, right? I don't want to give it away. But I was like, yo, what's up? Like, you should be the wife of the nigger who owns Nabisco or Marlboro. Like, you know, I'm talking about a big friend, right? And she was like, ah, the things he says to me, Joe. You should see how he talks to me.

I said, what? Not the most powerful chick in the world. She was talking about this guy be saying some shit to her and she was like, oh my God, the things he tells me, Joe, you wouldn't even know this, that. I said, damn,

I learned that, you know, they like that shit. Yeah, praise God. Talk me through it. Amen. Take me through there. Take me through that. Yeah.

Talk that shit. I love it. Like, I feel like a man gives you your confidence. And so, like, a hood guy, like, who come from nothing, And who really built himself up to have that. He really built himself up.

That's where I'm going with it. Is it a bum or he built himself up? What's the conversation? Why are we even bringing that in it? In the dough? Like, look, we can't really relate at any level. A lot of these guys is one week away from the repo and all that. You know what I'm saying?

A lot of these guys, they just. And you know what? I'm in Miami home of the facade. Yeah, it's a lot of size. One minute you see a dude, yo, it's the king tut popping bottles the next week. You're like, yo, my man, you work in the poyotropic cow? Like, it's the king of the facade. You never know we really got money.

It's true. But one of the qualities about me when I am with the man is that I know how to upgrade him. You know what I'm saying? And to the point, you know, where I don't want him to feel like, oh, she's the one. I want him to walk in a room and feel like he know he's the one. I don't come to feel that way because of me. I want to feel that way because he's him. I like that.

You know, because a lot of women, they like to emasculate men. You know, the girl got the bag, and it's the same shit. If the guy got the bag and he want to act like big shit, talk to his girl, how he want, yo, you do what I say because I'm giving you the bag. I've seen the vice versa. I got a lot of sisters with bags. And, man, they know how to play some dudes and emasculate them. That drives me crazy.

You're saying you big him up He ain't got a way Your man, your man But I've seen the vice versa I don't want that And I don't want people to look at my man that way You know what I mean? I want people to look at my man

Respect him In his own right He don't even have to have as much as me Or have anything going on as much as me I just want the respect factor To be in the room When we're together Got to respect

Vice versa men and women That's what it's all about respect It really is You don't show the respect If you're out here looking flabby and sick, you ain't respecting your queen, then you, you,

you got something coming. Yeah, because if my dude look corny, I look corny. And I don't want to look corny. You don't want to look corny. That ain't it. That's a different type of pressure. That's a 2025 pressure that look corny.

You know, back of the days, your mother and my father, they knew how to work shit out, shit fucked up, this and this and that. But that looked corny. That shit is like, check me. Right now,

2025? I don't want to look corny. I don't want to look crazy out here. You realize me, you just said, my brother, your father. No, I didn't mean it like you did. Yo, you got to stop. Yo, this dude, I'm going to catch that on the way home.

When I watch this interview, I'm going to be like, Dan, this guy. It's crazy. You know, I've always felt like it's equal. No matter who got the bag, who don't got the bag, it's got to be respect. And, you know, I got a funny story because I'm really protected by one.

I mean, like, a lot of women. Like, I got a lot of sisters, very powerful, very strong. And so, I got a sister. She's super caked up, and she was dating. She was dating a guy, good-looking guy. And he was making some dollars himself. He wasn't a hood guy, but he wasn't a hood guy. He owned, like, several businesses.

But she's my sister, right? So the guy sits next to me one day, say, yo, crack. Can I talk to you? I was like, yo, what's up? He was like, you know, I don't. know, I feel a little intimidated because she got so much money and every time I try to

pay the bill, she paid a bill, this, this, this, you know, my man. The man and me. You hear me? She's my people. It took everything I had in the world to tell that nigga, yo, don't play yourself because he was talking like, yo, I don't know

if I could do this. I'm like, this girl's a billionaire, bro. I was like, you don't know how bad I wanted to be like, yo, my man, is you crazy? You better marry that girl right now. Are you stupid? And that man I said, you know, you got to figure it out, whatever.

I couldn't go against my code. You know, whoever I know first and I'm family with them, I won't go against it. So I just say, yo, my man, you know, just do what's right, whatever. But I wanted to tell them real bad. Like, yo, marry her today. Really?

So they broke up. She got married six months later. That's how I'd be. Let me tell you why? Six months later. I'm going to tell you why. Let me tell you why. Because even if you're not holding the bag as a man,

you got to figure out what your position is in her life. You know what I mean? She's not thinking. She's a billionaire. She ain't thinking about him paying. She's not even thinking about that. She don't care about that, right? But she do want her to protect her, to support her,

to be her biggest cheerleader, to be there for her, to be her safe space. You've got to figure out as a man where your position is in my woman's life. And I think that because it's so many successful women, men forget that. That just because you're not rich and you can't, because there's a lot of people out here who really can't hold up today women.

You know, me personally, you know, I've been my wife 32 years, but I wouldn't have no problem with being with a woman as a billionaire. Really? No, I'm keeping it a buck with you. I ain't had no problem holding the door, carrying the purse.

I don't give a fuck. You got a billion. I'm with her. Yeah, because you have. No problem. If you wasn't him, you wouldn't feel that way. Excuse me, oh, she's not supposed to feel like that anyway. Whoever got their bag is, it's not supposed to feel like that.

You know what's crazy? This conversation is making me think of that Cardi B song, what she said she want to feel safe. That's right. That's that shit right there, right? It's real. It's real. Like, you want to have a man who you can depend on.

Like, you got me. me in every area emotionally. You know what I'm saying? It's the number one thing. We want to feel protected. You don't necessarily have to buy me. First of all, that's cornball.

Like, if that's all you can do is support me financially, what the fuck is we doing? Boo. You know what I'm saying? Like, somebody who's my dog, somebody I can talk to, somebody like, I know that got me.

It's nothing like it in the world. Yeah, it ain't nothing like a corny. It's like a. beautiful girl that the minute she talks, you're like, yo, where you going to drop off at? That part. Nah. Hit a U-Turt.

Mom dropping you back off. No, right. Yeah, right. You hit that U-turn right quick. We're like, yo, hold up. One second. Didn't know you were a dodo bird. No. No, it's like that.

Vice versa. And so you're a legend, man. You legendary out here in the streets, man. And it's so hard to come from such a successful family, but still have a connection with the streets. It's the hardest shit to do. So when you see kids, Disney kids, or you see, what's my girl,

Miley Cyrus and even Justin Bieber, you know, he went from being the teenage thing to the next day, 60 tattoos in his face, this, they try bad to eliminate, they got to get to that next level. So you, you've been in royalty. You know, I see some comments on the, you know, my daughter's pictures. or whatever, and they'd be like, ah, you grew up in mansions your whole life. I don't give a fuck.

This, this, this. There's a resentment, and there's a hard way to be connected to the people in the hood, but you have managed to do that in a strong way. I still have hood friends. I still, we're from Baltimore. You know what I mean? And so it's like, I'm still the same.

You know, like, Tony, I feel like the way that she was brought up in this industry is completely different than mine. So she got her stardom from music, and she was a part of the realm of being upper echelon and gowns and class. And for me, I got my through reality and reality television. So it was relatable to people. And I feel like that's why they gravitate because they know, I mean, although I have a lot of success, I'm still like Tamar from the, you know what I'm saying. So I think that is something that I never really straight. away from because I still do reality television

and a lot of it. Yeah. Give me a rundown five of your favorite songs from other singers. What would be your soundtrack if? So Mariah Carey is my favorite singer, period.

Really? Yeah. You know, she could really sing. She could have really sing. No, no, no. Because I ain't going to front. She wasn't my girl growing up. Like, I wasn't hit to Mariah Carey like that.

one day I pop up in the Christmas show she started hitting shit I said yo it's only one Luther's the only one that was hitting shit like she was hitting them notes and all that and I was like

in the Christmas show that's when I realized oh she's one of the ones she's like a hundred trillion every Christmas yeah yeah but you know what I noticed thing about hip hop and music is that it's real subjective

some people think this is really dope. I might not think it's dope or I might think it's dope, but it ain't really, really dope to me. Everybody hits people a different way. Like, different artists. You know, but Mariah's great. I just seen Rihanna at a show going crazy.

I think Rihanna go every year. I go every year at Madison Square Garden. And go crazy, right? Jumping up like a kid. Yeah. That's crazy because I said for the first time ever because she usually got that number one spot. That boy, Poo Shikesty, battling up for that number one.

spot. He's trying to let go. You know, he dropped that shit that, you heard that Poo Shihishti, five minutes, talked about he came home first day, six, four-ins. He told a girl, he came, well, y'all don't want to hear all that shit right now,

but y'all Poo Shikishty trying to ruin Christmas. That motherfucker's trying to fuck it up. She's been number one for like 25 years. That motherfucker trying to, he's dead ass trying to take that slot right now. See, look at that shit. You all way in the... You know, I got to see everything.

I got to know. I got to have knowledge. You know, so that's, so you said, Mariah. I didn't say artists that said five songs. That's so hard for me. Yeah, man. I can do artists because I got to say him think about songs. Let's do five songs.

You know what I mean? Artists. Um, I think, Tank. You love Tank like that. Yeah, he's amazing. Tank is the man. He's amazing. It's amazing songwriter, too.

He stays in great shape, Tank. He does. He stays in great shape. No, Tank's about an old. Gee, now, how old is tank right now? Yo. You eating people up. You are crazy.

I'm going to be quiet because people say, ooh, Tamar said. Well, no, Tamar said nothing. I'm a fan of that. You should have supposed to stay out of that Harry. It's a great singer, great song, why he takes my dog. But the man, look.

You all hit. 49. That boy looked like he can't eat an olive. He's cocked Diji eight packed up. Got to do it. Olive is wild. Fuck it. We had a peaceful journey.

We almost had a peaceful journey. We almost had a peaceful journey. but you got to throw the flag. Yo, listen, Tank is a great songwriter. Yeah. That's what you said. No, he writes amazing songs.

Who else you're a big fan of us? I'm a huge fan of Beyonce. Oh, yeah. That's different. I love her. She's a great songwriter, too, and a storyteller and a visual artist. I love that about her.

I love that. We connect with her on a musical level. Kelly's fucking that tour up. Kelly's eating it up. I went and saw her, and I can't tell you, I went to go see Brandi specifically because, you know, we love Brandy.

She's amazing, but we have not seen her on tour. I've toured a lot with Monica. Yeah. All them girls, the biggest, they listen to Brandy every day. She's the blue print. Believe it or not, she's the vocal Bible. They study her, the biggest of the biggest, listen to Brandy all day. Yeah.

But you went over there, but Kelly came out there all chocolate and shit. Moving on that shit. God damn, Kelly came. She's coming through on that shit. She's like, hey. on, that's it. What? Thank you.

She's going crazy. Yeah. I love how Beyonce is support Kelly. Right, absolutely. That's three. How many are you guys think, Mariah, B. This guy, to the analytics, right?

We got two more. I love Brandy, but if you take it a step above, it would be Kim Borell for me. Who? Kim Borell. That's who we all study. Us singers, we study Kim Borell.

Yeah. Yo, play me some Kimberrao, the biggest hit, because I'm confused. And I'm, oh, God, okay, we got it. We got it. She's amazing. Hold on, yo, yo. It's like Yolanda Adams or something like that. I get it, gossip.

But on steroids. Kirk Franklin. Love a Kurt. What's the sisters? The gospel sisters. The Clark sisters. You know I know. Don't do that to yourself, man.

Yeah, but my all-time favorite, who I had to give process. You know, I love that record. We fall down, but we get up. That's my shit. Who's your all-time favorite? Okay, you might not know who he is, but you're going to... You think we're not going to know who he is. I ain't know...

By way of PJ Morton, his name is Daryl Walls, and there's no... Nobody cannot sing him, not male or female. Nowhere. Dare Wals. Oh, my God, he's so amazing. His voice is like an instrument, and he's another gospel singer and also a songwriter, too,

but he's so amazing. And he reminds me of PJ Martin, but on steroids. This is crazy we have in this conversation because you guys got one and you don't even know. I know before you. I met a girl.

She's working with Timberland. Her name is Faith from Yonkers. She is phenomenal. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. What makes her phenomenal? Everything you're talking about, she's that.

She's going to have Joe, I'm from Yonkers, this, this, Dad, I love you. You know, her name is Faith. Remember I told you. She's like one of them. Okay. You hear one time and you're like, oh, shit, they got one.

She's from Yonkers. You're going to sing. You know, I'm my ear to the street. Man, don't do that to yourself like that, Jada. You don't say anything. Don't do that to yourself. So that's your five. What's your five, Jada?

Top five favorite singers. I have more than five. All right, but could you give us? All right, give us 10. Give us whatever you want. Could you give me some high? Five is hard. Five, you got to think about it.

I want to know, though. I always do this. Sometimes he got the weed to wake him up. Sometimes he got the weed to make him sleepy. Come on, bitch. He and the weed debate. No, no. Am I hype or am I relaxed right now?

I'm a gym and not, so everything switches. It sure does, Lord Hemmer. Sing his switch. Everything switch. Can I hear it? a good what you you're not going to give us none of the fans want to know.

Like Luther. Oh, that's Hello. Like, I got to put MJB on me my sister. Well, do you know Luther

from the Bronx, by the way, but yeah, here we go with this shit. No, I'm telling. Fox Street. So funny. Mary.

Shocker-Cund. Patty LaBelle and Neil. Patty LaBelle. You know, I was a young kid, man. I lost my first girlfriend.

I was singing, I'm on my own. Why did they go this way? Let me tell you, when that music, yo, I don't wish nobody to fully understand their favorite lyrics. Like, you hear a song, you break up, all of a sudden, the radio start playing a hundred breakup songs,

you know? I wonder if she remembers, what's the joining guy? Wonder, if you ever, that's Neo, right? Think of me. You know, I'm Luther Van Jaws all day. I'm Stephanie Mills.

Love a Stephanie. I'm Luther. I'm Stephanie Mills. I'm Charday. Babyface. That was good. Nobody fucking with baby face. Nowhere. Don't let them lie to you like that.

Ain't nobody fucking with baby face. I got baby face. And I'm a go with my man. Because when you talk about, you know, a thug-like-on-beat, We were selling a lot of drugs to Keith Sweat, man. And was. Yo. We was 80ators to that Key Sweat with that wide body business.

You made me young mussela. That shit there, Key Sweat. You sell drugs to the asshole? All of them, yo, the most feared individuals in the Bronx in the Harlem. They wouldn't pull up with hip-hop. They would pull up with Key Sweat. But that could take. You would think you might die, too, with shit coming down to...

One of my first concerts is L.L. Keefe Sweat and Heavy D. I had to be... Fire. She was incredible. You got two of my idols. You got three of my idols there. You know what I'm saying? That shit was crazy, huh?

Praise Apollo. Crazy. But the Apollo? It's like my 13th birthday or 12th or 13th. But have you seen Keith perform? Of course. Like now? I see it's very interesting

Why And I love Keith Fuck Keith Smokey Robert said 85 doing the butt He up on there Yeah Keith At what point we stopped

Doing the butt Yo That ain't this song That's not what I'm saying She's trying to say Keith is Let me not say what you say What are you saying

Yeah Let us say what she's saying I think he's great in concert Right But he has a thrust spirit on him. What's that? A thrust spirit.

What the fuck, Smokey Robinson be in there with silk shirts like this, 85? It's pretty entertaining, actually. No, I'm just saying. So you don't think I'm saying this to be like he's an uncle, chill? You know what I think? Huh? In entertainment. When you get to a certain age and you get the band, that becomes a part of with the drumming and that shit.

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And I'm afraid of that as a single woman. Is that where I'm going? I don't know. You could definitely be pop. Let me tell you something. I won't say who. All them old ladies hit on me. They look at me like I'm an 18-year-old.

Ooh, I've been waiting to see you going. But you don't get pop-pop, though. Fuck that. I don't want to be the young dude for the mama. You know what I'm saying? You always going to be like a steak to the... No, I'm saying the old. The old ladies?

Oh, they go hard. They go, oh, my, I've been waiting for you my whole life. I'm like, Miss Police. Can you sign my autograph? You got me fucked up. But yes, that's where you're headed. What? Yeah.

I will not. I think we all, we three, blessed. You always throw. Because you don't look your age. You look great. She don't look her age. She looks. It looks great.

I look great. We're lucky. I'll be seeing niggas in the hood all the time with no teeth. I'll be like, yo, I was in his class in third grade. That motherfuckin' look like a dinosaur. I'm looking at him. I'm like, yo, this shit, oh, my God, bro. No, I'm being honest.

Like, we're blessed. We ain't looking old yet. You understand? We ain't looking old, but you're going to look old. I'm afraid of pop-pop-hop sweat. Pop-pop sweat? What does that mean? I don't want pop-up

humping and bumping on me. I don't think you'll ever have a pop-up humping and bumping as long as you got the bag. You're beautiful. You got the bag. You ain't going to have a pop-up. It's the same thing. I started this whole shit like this.

The woman, they criticize the men being with some younger girls, but the minute they get that bag and they get divorced, they got a young thing going. They might make it look good and get them a pastor or something. You know, yo, let me get the young, the young pastor where that nigger flies, head wavy. He's young. Definitely don't want to be. I know, I'm telling you.

I'll take a pop-pop over a pastor. I'll take a pop-up over a pastor any of them. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I just said that. I'm not. I don't mean it. He doesn't even know.

I don't even know. I'm talking. You're talking to a guy who's, who's entertaining the people. Like, I don't know the fucking shit about a pastor. Yeah, I can't. You're the new voice of Bridezillers. I am. Currently streaming on AMC Network.

Yeah. I don't even know how many television shows I have. I haven't counted. That's a flex. That's like with the silence on. You know, we like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm all about my people winning.

So, you know what I'm saying? That's, you know, I love that. That's great. With a full movie. What was that experience? like Gordon and filming that. It was so amazing because actually

I had a relationship, right? And I cheated on that person. And so this album is about the female version of taking accountability for infidelity. Who gets you to cheat? Is this smooth talking hood,

dude? It wasn't like that. No? It was all mean. I was definitely You saw him and you was like I want him You saw him and you was like I want him

No I kind of spun the block on a situation Because I wasn't too sure About the new situation And so the old situation Just wasn't completed yet If you get what I was emotionally Completed again And I think that sometimes

When men get territorial And they see you in another situation They want that old thing bed They want that old thing And I fell for the okie dope But I had to figure I did because that person should have never gotten my time again, right?

But I had to figure it out within myself that... Made for good music. Yes, that I was done with it. And I also owe that other person that I hurt, you know, a huge apology because, number one, they didn't deserve it, getting mixed up in my bullshit, right? And also, I had to heal myself, and I did through this album. That goes on to the new single, You on You, That? Yeah.

Actually, you and you is my old single. The new single coming up is Love Me. Love Me. Yeah. And I like that title. Explain that to me because I've been thinking about doing a song to that title. Really? Well, Love Me is about missing the person.

Yeah, I got to love me. Fuck that. Well, it's not loving me. It's loving the person. And it's about telling the person that I miss it, but I know that it's over. Yeah, because how do you hurt a man to that capacity? And he never recovered. Let's listen to it.

There's some suckers out there. Let's listen to love me. I've seen it. There's some suckers out there. It love me, my brother. I love my baby mama. I never let her go. There's some suckers out there.

You think it's a sucker of a man's like a woman back. Well, yeah. He's a sucker. What? Yeah. What, why? The lady to take you back. And do.

And do. What makes him a sucker? This is a great conversation, right? Because he took me back, but I'm going to let you go. When you a man, I'm not saying, you can. do whatever you want to eat his own bottle of 1,800. Okay, but what makes him a sucker though? You got to tell me.

So a man that comes from nothing who found a way to get himself out of that and do a little success in life, he gets with a girl. He makes her his queen. He treats her like his queen. He gives her everything. He hunts, goes out there, makes no excuses, no matter what the stress is, no matter what the case is. he come in the back to give us shit.

She with her girls, she looking just as flies her girls, this, this, that. You got to understand when that woman violates that, the man don't know how to handle that. And he just loses it. Because he's like, yo, you violated that. I don't, you know, because with no disrespect, if you're a provider, you're a guy that did, especially when you come from nothing.

I'm not talking about a trust fund baby. I'm talking about a person who came up from nothing and said, right, I'm going to share this world with this woman and give her everything equal, whatever we do. And then she violates, it's a whole other way of forgiving this and this and that. Now, we've talked about it, like if our friends,

they get in a problem with their girl or whatever, that's not our business because nine times out of ten times, they're getting back together. And then you in the middle trying to be like, yo, this, you know what I'm saying? I learned that. You know what I mean? I lost friends.

over there. I used to be the dude to bring the guy to the situation. Oh, wow. Like, yo, let's go. Me, me out over Sabaro's. Your girl over here with the scenario. What we're doing in this store right here? What are we doing right now? Why are you going to be this guy?

And then the next day, you see him with this girl riding in the car. You're like, y'all, I played myself. Like, why did I even get involved? Yeah, but this is why I think the way that I think now as a woman, because in that situation, I did have the bag, right? And he felt insecure and he used to piss me off. I couldn't understand.

Like, why do you not think that you're enough, right? And I used to sun the fuck out of him. And like you were saying, what's that word you said? He masculated. He masculated him. Woo! And that's not a good feeling. You were sunning them, huh?

And then you cheated on it. Why? Because I could. Yeah. You don't say what I'm saying? I don't think like that anymore. It takes a strong man to hold a woman down and know that you, the bread, winning and all that and just treat them.

equal to you. It takes a strong man and make a woman wake up every day and walk out the house knowing she could do what the fuck she wants that you got her back

that you protected that you did it they ain't no problem there's God than you where you violate that cipher it's a problem you know what I'm saying that that's how most men feel

even the construction worker fucking McDonald's guy he's going out there busing his ass every day he did this is a problem now have I seen the greatest killers in the universe, the realest guys that I thought would kill a factory of guys to catch their wives and be like, okay, we worked it out.

This shit was shocking to me. Like, you know, I'm looking, I'm like, what? Huh? So that's, oh, he's killing the whole gym. Come back, nah, we're good. You know, love is something. It is. But I broke him and I knew that.

He ain't deserve you anyway. I feel sorry for him. I do, because let me tell you, like, in the film. He ain't deserve you That motherfucking wasn't strong enough He wasn't what you was describing A while ago He'm all fucking weak

You stepped on him He was weak Kept they pushing He was weak I don't necessarily think that You know the film that goes along with that With the EP Oh there's a film

Yeah And you're really shitting on him Teanor It's kind of It's based on a true story So I'm just going to tell you A little bit about it So you can watch it later on

So Of course Mendisi's And Julian Houghton is in the film. So one plays my current boyfriend, and the other one plays... Tell me, don't start the shit. You like this shit, Tamar. No, I'm just telling you. It's a little film.

It's all the film. It's all the film. And so this part really happened in my life. So I'm texting, and Mendezzi snatched my phone, and he reads my text messages. And I'm texting the guy, once again, you shifted my uterus. Mm. And he really read it. You sent it to the wrong guy?

No, I sent it to the guy. Him? No. Are you listening? I'm confused. She was texting somebody. She threw a red flag. She threw a couple of flags up in there.

The minute I heard the shit, I say, yo, you know why? For each his own bottle of 1800. Wait, what? They came in here. Let me tell you said, they came here. They was like, oh, Tamar, it's a little upset. For past interviews, you watch what you say. She doesn't...

She's saying it. She's saying what she wants to say. What are you talking about? Let her finish. I did. So did you hear it? Do you want me to reiterate it? Please do, Jack.

She was texting somebody, and then she's grabbed the phone, and he read, but she just said it, well, yeah, something that happened to her organ. Love me I say it love me This is a family show I don't love me guys Make sure you play it loud That's a nice Yeah Donovan

You gotta calm my damn See outside with this shit I'm not outside I didn't think was involved I said to play With that shit on Not at all Yep

Knock you Knock that On that The way used to have me feeling, I shouldn't let you leave. Love it hit the same way since. Yeah. Oh, there's no excuse for what I did. Give back all your gates on me.

I hope it doesn't take a new for granted. I'll take accountability. Accountability though it's hard Should have protected fuel too When you drive your car Sometimes a man needs

save it too I let the world come after you Now I wish I had you to hold on to I messed up But I've grown Baby here you

Here are your monsters where I be loved. I miss all you love me, love me, love me, love me, love me. No one's other love me like you love me. I hope it's meant to like to say that I'm sorry. You never gave me any jobs If I knew, then what I know now I miss how you love me, love me, love me, love me, love me, love me, baby

I know what I say I need your healing Can we run it back again? Had me on my back stretching, yeah. Baby, I learned so much over the years, grind so many tears. I always gave up, lately I've been feeling for, you know, I messed up. But I've grown, baby, here you're bound as well as I'm alone. I'm messed up. Bro.

Baby, in your phone is where I feel. I miss all you love me, love me, love me, love me no one's ever

love me like you love me I hope it's little like to say that I'm sorry you never hired me in a job

if I knew I knew I knew what I know now I miss how you love me, love me, love me No one's ever loved me like you love me Baby Oh

Baby I'm sorry Please forgive me Because I miss how you love me And it means how you touch me Baby Come back Come back, come back

I'm back. Wow. Beautiful. Plastic Braxton tone. Beautiful. Classic. Braxton tone. What a beautiful song.

Man, so that got to make you feel away when you hear it, right? Because you know you're the culprit. Yeah. Yeah. So you're saying like, dang, you're taking accountability. Accountability. Nobody wants to take accountability. So that's mean taking that kind of been.

Yeah, we blame y'all for everything. And it'd be us. Yeah, it'd be y'all. It'd be us. She went, she won something for this. She should really win something for you. I don't, I think we overlook it. She's taking accountability.

You have to watch the film. It's really, really good because it gives both sides, you know, and it gives like a real depiction. When can you see it? You can go to my YouTube. It's on YouTube for free. Yeah. And so it's 44 minutes, but it's really fast, but it's really good.

So you have the videos that play out, and then you have, like, the scenes. Vince is in it. Vince is giving advice, dating advice with me. You know, Vince, you know, he got a bad joint right now. Yeah, Christopher Williams. No, Vince. Vince, what? You got a girlfriend with the six-pack.

Oh, she's gorgeous. Yeah, she's amazing. The doctor. She's a doctor. Yeah. Yeah. No, me, this real cool. You ain't name a flag on the play with this.

No, we're like white people. Like, we spend Christmas and Thanksgiving together. We are. He's doing that Will Smith shit. That's that real shit. I know they get along. That's why I said. I got to big them up.

But that wasn't the segue to save that right there. That's okay. She don't care. At home. Thank you. You know. This guy's crazy. What do you want me to say?

What's wrong with that? I know this guy. I got to see it. I know Vince. You don't be like, yo, you let them, you know. We dig them up there talking my name. He didn't even big me up in no way. We big them up.

Yeah. That boy Vince on that Reda Tua tribe. He's not on that Ozympic. He's on the next level one, the Red of Tuatatat. Oh, Jesus. That motherfucker skinny is fucking skinny. He's skinny. He looks great.

He's on that. This looks great. No more Teddy Repskins. Yo, Tema. Let me tell you something, man. You know. That song there reminds me of. I remember one night I was sleeping.

I slept with the TV on. And that Tony Braxton song came on with the video with the umbrellas. Long as I live? Is that it? Long as I. That's my favorite Tony Braxon. Fuck. Shit.

You know when you wake out to sleep, I woke up. No, it's like God be talking to me. I'm telling you all the truth. I heard that shit three, four in the morning. I was dead asleep. I heard that. I woke up. I got on the thing

and I looked at this video with the rain drops and all right and I said, oh, this is going to win something. I see, this shit is crazy right here. I called Tony out in L.A. I was like, yo, you did that? He was like, yeah.

I said, yo, that shit crazy. Shout out to Tony Dixon. Tony Dixon. What a legend, huh? He's great. Beautiful. I tell them all the time. They don't believe me.

Babyface my friend. So, like, you know, I go to dinner with Babyface. He's the one out of this whole shit. my whole career. I mean, I know royal families. Yeah. He's the one guy that I tripped

that I'm actually baby-faced his friend. Like when I eat dinner with him, I'm like, yo, I'm with baby-faced. Like, you know, it's... So Tricky Stewart did this whole project. Shout out to Trick. What it does you. Yeah, and so we're doing part two right now.

It's a heartbag retrograde. That right there is a hit. So you got to put the bag behind that. I don't never lose. When I say something's a goat, It's a go. Thank you. I wanted the mix to pop out a little more clear,

a little more flossy, but I'm listening to it and I say, this is a smash hit. Huh? Maybe the speaker, so I'm listening to it. I said, this is a smash hit. So if Fat Joe put this out, I throw the bag. You got to throw that bag behind this song right here, it won't miss.

This one right here won't miss. This is a real hit. This is a classic. But I was listening to it. The only thing I heard, In my head was like classic. Client, like this shit, like classic. Sound beautiful.

You know, R&B right now, the ladies, Kalan. I love her. She's amazing. Summer Walker. Amazing. Mariah the scientists. Amazing. That Summer Walker, that album, you know what I do is I drive.

When I'm in Miami, I drive for two hours. I just listen to music. I'll drive to, like, Port St. Lucy or some shit like that for no reason. Just listen. I listen to that Summer Walker album. That one record, she got her, Doja Cat, and Lotto. It feels good. How about they killing the guys?

I'm just keeping the buck with you. I'm listening to the guys' albums. I don't want to mention no names. Oh, God, I'm stressed out. And then I listen to Summer Walker. They're stepping on dudes. Bad. And that one record, they rapping.

Smell good, tastes good. Yeah. This, that, thanks good. What? Dojicat come up on there and start. I'm like, yo, how the girls are killing the dudes 2025? Like, we ain't got nobody killing like that.

You agree, huh? Because we got the bag. Hello? So once you got the bag, you could talk like with that. Man, I'm telling you, the respect level goes down the drain to these dudes. I just told you I was son at home boy. Shit. That's just how it goes and it's terrible.

I would never, ever do that to another person, ever, ever, ever again, because I can. But y'all guys do that, too. We learn from y'all. We learn from the best. We learn from the best. You know, every girl of mine, every friend of mine asks me to hook up with one of my guys, I tell them in one second, yo, they ain't shit. Don't look in this stable. These guys ain't shit. You ain't gonna never like me again in your life if you talk to one of these guys. They ain't shit. Would you recommend a sister that you love with one of your

friends? You got one friend that you can say, yo, he's a good guy. Maybe this. Kay? Kay's a good God. Yo, Kay. You want to say... Which one?

Kay over there. He's too high for you, Timor. He's the king of the Hubon and chronic. Yo, but listen, I want to shout out my brother. Come here and take a little bow, man. Two-time a felon. This is birthday today, but I knew I'd have brought your gay. Two time felon, happy birthday.

Baby, you catch another felony today since the day to three-time felonies. Three-time felon. Three-time felon. Happy birthday, my brother. We love you, man. What you do for the show, you know, two-time a fella. Brodzilla's, is that something I got to watch? Yes, it's hilarious.

Yeah. You know, they're doing a movie about somebody real close to me, and they got Fat Joe in the movie. and she's sending me to guys. They just send any fat guy that they think that that's not fat Joe. Like, we got to get a guy with some swag or some shit to them or something.

Like, they just sending any fat comedian every... She's like, what do you think of this one? They show me this. I'll say, yo, man, what the fuck? You think this... Like, you better get somebody look like fat Joe to be on this fucking movie. But will you do based on your life

or have you done it already with a lifetime? No, not yet. But I just actually started doing movies. I was doing television shows. The film that I'm doing right now is with Tay Diggs. And, yeah, it's like a romantic comedy thriller. Tadig is the short guy, right? Way in the exhale, man.

I had an argument with it. Donovan, no disrespect. I had an argument with this TSA dude yesterday. By the way, I never argued with the TSA guys. Ever in my life ever had one argument. This little nigger was over here being two. Yo, take your hoodie off. My man, you can just search me.

I know the rules are five, seven times a week. Nah, you got to... Yo, my man. I'm not talking about it's height. Like, yo, bro, you way too little to be talking to me like this. Like, you're not in the family. You're not in the... What they call that shit?

The fruits of... That nigga can't talk to fat Joe like that. I'm like, yo, you, my man, cannot talk to me like that. Nah, the rules are... Yo, bro, you got me fucked up, Bapo. We was outside. I whip your fucking, go get the boss. The boss comes, your old, Jamaican got your old.

You know what I mean? Got to explain. Looking at the Jamaican got so nice, man. I walked away from there, man. I wanted to smack this nigga's cheek off so bad, man. I say, yo, he was just doing too much, too much talking to me like. Yeah, but Tay's not a shorty like that. Oh, that's how I got to this.

Yes, you did. You called the man short. I'm like a little man He's not Best man You're trying to picture I love him But I lost it for him

When I seen him He was in my hand Skipping with a white girl In Gramacy Parkas and shit I've seen him skipping With her down the street like this He was a little nigga I see

Oh You've been really fronting man Yeah but Joe He's a great actor He's a great actor Yeah he's giving him lots I watch every movie he does Listen Tamar

Every movie he does movie he does. I'm going to tell him off the day, dick. Nah, get up. You never, nowadays, the actors have make him a disc record to get, yo, what's up with all this? Everybody this, everybody, everybody.

This shit is like, it's toxic right now. No, I'm being honest. It's like really, really, like I'm not really liking none of this shit. All I do is write gangster music, so I'm not the holy guy. But I think just think, Tom, that the hip-hop community and us kind of like

We are the world There comes the time Yeah But my thing is You need a helping day My thing is It's like You know we celebrate all the wrong shit

I agree You understand what I'm saying Yo crack Mawfucking come home from jail For 26 years Killed 36,000 people Sits down like Yeah I'm the gangster

Of all gangsters Like yo Cat 222 came home Yo this this is And they be celebrating I'm not talking. I'm not making no subliminal so nobody. And I like all the shit,

but I'm just saying at what point we're going to man up and say, yo, this, because I keep seeing us celebrate weird shit. And now maybe I'm older. I am older. So I'm thinking a little bit different. I'm just like, yo, we keep celebrating.

And then we keep falling for the same shit. And do. Right? So now, Tamar, who we know and love, how many years we've been watching you on reality show? 15 years. 15 years. We know her life.

We know who she are. We love her. Out of nowhere, some girl who went to high school with her got some shit to say, and now we believe the girl, Margaret Washington, a bitch we don't know from nowhere.

With no receipts. With no receipts want to talk about shit. Like, what's going on? And they fall for it every time, yo, you heard? Margaret Washington. The God one-time Taco is saying this about this thing. Yo, my man, if you don't get this thing up off to Aji,

like, yo, we got to start some respect. Need some corn muffin control. You never gave me the corn bread. You said your mom's was going to make me some cornbread. I was going to send you. He put me on the phone with his moms, right? And he said, listen, Ma, I promise Joe, some cornbread. The first thing she said, Joe, I got a story with you.

He hung up the phone so fast. He just, fuck that. Listen, that ain't getting no stories with it. Your mama cornbread text like cake. He hung that shit up so bad. How you make it? It tastes like cake. Like a cornbread castle.

I'm on a strict diet. right now. You know, I ain't the fucking doctor. That's why I don't like going to the doctor. How did we get there? Because I'm skinnier than I ever been in my life. And the doctor's like, yo, I want you keto for a month. You see to everybody over there.

Everybody wrapping up. Okay, let's sell some shit. So tell me everything. We got the name of the album. Hard break, Rachel Great. Arbreak, Rachel. The movie. I'm downloading that right now.

Thank you. I am purchasing that. I need that in my life. Purchase. That thing is. I'm a label, too. And it means. a lot to me.

Straight to consumer. Directing consumer. It's on your labels. You're a boss. You're putting out your own shit. Yes. That's how we're supposed to be. Right.

The problem I have, Rajzillis, the problem I have, especially with all the R&B legends that we love, is they let the major label of mafia, right? So they fuck with you, spend some money to get everything out of you

and then they tell everybody, old school at noon. Motherfucker, 24 years old, doing the old school at noon tour. Because the major. your labels did that to them. They put that stigma on there where they think they

old school that knew. So what they didn't do, the guys and the girls before us was take ownership. Sierra came here. She putting out her own music. You putting out your own music. I've been putting out my own music for 15 years. That's amazing. And I fuck these guys

all the time. Let me tell you something. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I do all this time? And you're just telling me? Bro! Oh, I need a whole bag of these. What?

How are you going to tell me at the end? Tamar, you with me. This one was cutting up from the time I sat down. Tamar, don't listen to these guys. You with me. You're listening to you. What I'm saying is, like, you know, I told the major label, yo, I want to go independent

and they let me go like I had AIDS or something. They was like, yo, get up. That's another. What is happening? Those motherfuckers just like, yo, oh, yes sir, you can leave. How fast do you want to go?

We'll sign your shit off right now. I'm like, damn, I thought they gave a fuck. I'm on here 10 years. They was like, then I put out a record. So four million records on their ass right there, independent. So I know all about, Being independent, man,

and just working your shit and all right. I salute that. Boss lady, give it up. This ain't that? That ain't this. This cracking kiss. Pop, pow, pow, make some noise for Tamar Braxton.

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