Joe and Jada - Teyana Taylor on 'Escape Room,' working with Beyoncé & Leonardo DiCaprio + DEBUTS NEW TRACK!

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by the multi-talented Harlem native Teyana Taylor to discuss her new album ‘Escape Room,’ its lead single “Bed of Roses,” and her upcoming role in Paul Thomas Anderson’s ‘One Battle After Another’ alongside Leonardo DiCaprio. Joe and Jada ask Teyana about choreographing Beyoncé’s “Ring The Alarm” video at only 15 years old, her time with Ye (formerly Kanye West) and GOOD Music, her iconic performance in the “Fade” video off Ye’s ‘Life of Pablo’ album, and her new relationship with English actor Aaron Pierre. Teyana also debuts the new track “The Hard Part” off her upcoming album, and Joe and Jada wish her well before her upcoming vocal cord surgery. 3:30 - Joe & Jada have known Teyana since a kid 14:00 - Teyana on “Bed of Roses” single 22:00 - Choreographing Beyoncé’s “Ring The Alarm” at 15 30:00 - “Fade” video 34:00 - Teyana on NEW ALBUM ‘Escape Room’ 46:00 - Teyana’s upcoming vocal cord surgery 59:00 - Working with Leonardo DiCaprio 1:11:30 - Gearing up for tour & advice for young Teyana 1:14:00 - Teyana DEBUTS “The Hard Part” on Joe and Jada [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.]See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No no I'm trying to get us What exactly are we talking about? Fake pork chops He must be hungry because That's what I'm saying. Are you home? Do we need to hold that? Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack.

Your boy, Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. And without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, we'd like to welcome our beautiful guest, Tiana Taylor. Make some noise. Hey, y'all. What's popping? What's going on?

Well, I'm just on. happy you hear, man. You know, my family, we celebrate you. And so, like, you're one of the favorite artists, my wife's favorite artist. My daughter in my household, right? She big everywhere, but in my household. So I know all that. I was dizzy to, I made it, I made it. Hey. Like, they was, they had that all super repeat when it came out. So it's an honor to have you here. Thank you. They told me not to talk much, but I got to set it off for saying.

I'm going to be honest with you. I know Tiana, it's crazy. I'm looking at your daughter right now, and I think I met you about that age. Yeah. About that age. And I'm in Harlem, coaching at the Rucker, and you pull up in that famous, that world famous

bike of yours. And the reason why this such a ill... First time I haven't met it, he had that bike. She was on the bike tour. Yeah, that's crazy. Around the same time. I don't know if it was the same.

But when I ever first seen it, she was on the bike, I'm like, pick, who's that? Like, no, that's TV. You know what's crazy is I meet so many people, right? I've been doing this 30-something years, and I met so many people who told me, Joe, I'm going to be rich, I'm going to be a billionaire. Even Angie Martinez laughs at me because she said the first time I met her, I was like, yo, I'm going to be the biggest. I'm fat.

And she was like, yeah, right. And so you out of nowhere, you pull up on me and you're like, yo, I need to meet Farrell. Like, you got to introduce me to Farrell. I'm going to be his next artist. And I'm like, yo, this girl, she flies, she little. But, I mean, she got big dreams. And to see everything you ever predicted at that age to come to fruition,

how did you know? because you had to know when you was young like did you how did you know did you say y'all i'm special god made me special because for real though you have to have a certain type of blessing and confidence to just predict all that in the future and it actually become true i mean first and foremost i got a lot of prayer warriors that's first um i feel like i'm covered you know um but secondly I think it's just some cocky Harlem shit. Like, that's just Harlem shit in the room. We understand aesthetics and vibes

and what things are supposed to look like, but I've always been very intentional even at a young age. So it's kind of crazy to see Junie now speak the same way, you know? But it's kind of like, seeing you, like that was a big thing for me. I'm like, yo, what's up?

I know you in there, tell Farrell and what we're doing. And then she got with Farrell. That's crazy. That's crazy, yeah. It's safe to say she, She's good at everything. I'm a manifest. Anything she puts her hands on.

We call you a triple threat. Because there's nothing you can't do. And was that ever a complication for, you know, an A&R, somebody to see your vision? Because you do so many things. Was it hard to get the team to just get aligned with, like, all right, I want to choreograph this. I want to sing. I want to shoot. I want to, like, people just like,

yo, what the fuck? Like, everybody ain't built like that. Did you ever have that problem? I mean, it was, it was a lot. And it was very difficult. And the way you breaking it down actually make me, like, want to, like, empathize with them

for them a little bit because, no, real shit, because I never used something to be like, they don't know what to do with you. What the fuck does they don't know what to do with me? I'm not trying to hear all that. Like, you, like, if I'm giving you everything, you're avoiding all the things,

things you would pay for in normal for the next artist. So I used to think it was easier having an artist that... What the fuck? I used to walk into the label with the old school moveboard, like cut out pictures and, like, glued to a cardboard box. Like, I had the vision. So it was like, if everything is literally laid in your lap, how...

How you saying you don't know what to do? Yeah, how you're saying you don't know what to do? But to your point, if it's like a robotic system and they're stagnant and their comfort, their comfort is, here's the standard. We do this with all our artists. So because we do this with all our artists, then no other way is the right way.

You know what I'm saying? I dealt with it for a long time until I took that step back because I do do everything. So it's kind of like, again, when I seen you and when I took a step back from music, I went and I manifested the same thing because I was definitely shoved in the corner and so I'm like,

yo, if you retire, you boom, boom, I don't think that's smart. I'm telling you, and I'm like, I'm going to be a big director. Everybody's in the corner me. I'm going to be a go-to director. going to be a big actress. I'm going to protect other creatives. I'm going to pour into other creatives.

Everything I said I was going to do, I did that. Did that. Did that. And did it superbly. Thank you. You know what I mean? Let's not forget that. But that's all a part of that faithful.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I go to the casino with God. No, that. Yo, we're betting on the day. Who we batting on the day? You both of y'all with God in the casino. off. Not literally,

what I'm just saying it's like when people take bets elsewhere, people take gambles elsewhere. My gamble is like, Father God, what we doing?

What's my purpose? You know what I'm saying? When I'm ready to give up, like why you keep pushing me why you keep pushing me back in, what's my purpose? You know what I'm saying? Like I want to do everything.

I don't want to be in a box. Okay, if you don't want to be in a box, you don't want to be in a box. You know what I'm saying? Keep praying. Keep having conversations. You got to communicate.

You got to over communicate. Over communicate. So like with over communicating, then he's more clear on what I want. He can lead me in that direction because he ain't going to throw it in my lap. You know what I'm saying? So I've always took my gamble, you know,

within my faithful. You know, it's weird times. You over communicate. You can overstand. I understand that. And it's weird times out there, right? In the world, you know, hard to get a job, people on tough times.

This thing has made it so everybody and their mother can say, something about somebody. Absolutely. And so this price of fame, right? It's on another level to where I think the only thing that can keep you normal right now is your belief in God. And so when I sit down, you know, I tell them, you know, my wife, she's best friends

with Mary Jay. I sit with all of Jim Jones, Chrissy, Harlem. I'm always surrounded by all of them, right? and then the conversation always turn into God. I don't know how it just, if you just start talking about everything, everybody would be like, yo, but thank God for God and I pay my tides.

Because I feel like it's the only salvation is the only way through with all this noise that's going on around us. You know, this, you know, you got to be careful what you wish for with this fame and fortune. You know, now I know what I love my life. but, you know, I think I would have rather been wealthy, more than wealthy and famous. Right?

Like, when I see people who are far, I rather wish I could just be wealthy, but nobody can know you. I mean, but I meet wealthy people and they want to be lit, like they want to hang out with the famous people. They think they want to be lit. They don't really. No, that's real. A lot of people think they know what. what they want until they get it, you know what I'm saying? But I think for me, it's super important that even through my accolades that,

like every single one of my speeches that, then they always go wired. And my speech, all my speech is always a prayer. And I think it's important because I think a lot of time we turn to God when, when things ain't right. Yeah, you're not talking, you're not turning to it for nothing else. Then when something goes wrong, yeah, through good about it and different have them conversations, through good about it and different, you know, submit. and pray and understand that we're not perfect.

It's still a work in progress. None of us haven't been perfect enough. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like you've got to pray through it all, you know, and give thanks. I think it's important. Got to give thanks. It's been five years since the album.

What pulled you back? What made you say it's time? I got pulled back on my own terms. You know what I'm saying? Like I left the first time because it wasn't on my terms. You know what I'm saying? And then I knew that I was more. I was more than what was being, you know, put in the box for me.

You know what I'm saying? They were trying to stuff everything in one box. And that's just not, that was never me. I can't stay still. You know what I'm saying? Like me, I always consider myself a glade plugging. I'm a plug in every single socket outlet you see in this building. Why only make the bathroom smell good when you can make every inch in this motherfucking building?

Yeah. Like, smell the fruits of your label. Like, I'm not about to be locked in one room. I'm not going to be locked in one box. I'm not going to be locked with one set of keys and one door. You know, shout out to your mother. Your mother's in the building. Yeah.

Harlem legend. And, you know, I just feel like you, me, Jim Jones, not to alienate nobody, but New York made some hustlers. Say Lala. Lala, Fonnesa, MTV job to being an actress, to be in the this, to being that. You know, what is it in you that makes it? in you that make you that hustler

dead because I'm a fake hauling guy I'm from the Bronx right but I got the hustle too I'll sell you some big stuff I think that's a New York thing no real sure I think that's just it's a New York thing but also is like you know my mom hustler her work ethic is insane

you feel what I'm saying yeah and also what would help keep me grounded is actually use and use and gyms and it, like to see y'all be successful and still be on the block. You feel what I'm saying?

Like, that's big for me. The first time I met Jada, I was mad young and I asked for an autograph. And I think he wrote something in the script and for the life for me. I was trying to figure out what he wrote. And at first, it was me and my aunt's, I was like, he was like, you know, I was like trying to figure out what he was saying. But it was the fact that he

took out the time to write the autograph and probably wasn't my bike on my skateboard or something. But, But it was just like, yo, this shit is dope. So now that I don't do I have the hustle, but I got the ground. I'm grounded because people that I look up to that's paving away for me is really outside, you know, grounded but successful and still graceful. And, you know, like just the balance of it. I just think that's a New York thing.

I love that. New single, Better Roses. Describe this plan. All your emotions, bad. like that. What inspired? Better roses, for me, well, you got to kind of hear the album. Once you hear the album, it's like a whole story.

It's an armored album. So it's like the different emotions from heartbreak to healing, you know what I'm saying? Or from like dark clouds to, you know, sunny skies. So it's kind of like all the moments of vulnerability and grief and different things like that. But most importantly, resetting, re-aligning and re-sensoring yourself. without armor, you know, and that's what Better Roses is for me. Like, I feel like, even through everything I've been through, I still got so much love to give.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not a guarded person. I don't walk around with bricks, ready to build a wall. It's just not who I am. So you don't base a new relationship based on a past relationship. Yeah, I mean, always move with caution, exactly, but to be, to be guarded, that's how you block your blessings. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I don't, I've, and I've never moved like that. You know what I'm saying? And that's what Better Roses represent. I wanted to something for, you know, just the

lover people, love of girls, love of boys, because I think right now music is so toxic and so prideful and very, very egocentric, you know, and it's just not who I am, and I wanted to create a lane to create healthy dialogue, healthy conversations with them music. You know, this whole time I'm

looking at you, the Petty Joe is just like, yo, what's up with the cute boyfriend right? This guy right here. That's my big brother shit. That's the Petty Joe. I'm sitting here the other day

I'm gonna tell you and shout out to the brother right but the other day I'm sitting on the couch trying to look at something in Netflix and I see his fit

and I'm like yo you know that that's the honor's man right there you know what I said we watched the movie and shit and uh

you watch Rebel Ridge hell yeah but I watched it I skipped it a bunch of times but once Tiana you know I'm keeping it a buck but you got the clips

on me y'all don't want me to go You're doing so well today. Okay, I'm just calm down again. But you watched it. Hell yeah, because, I mean, he was a great actor. But what about the pretty boy? I mean, I'm not like, this guy, can't tell us about him, man.

Well, what's the question? You said, what about the pretty boy? No, what's the question? Because you're so rough and you from Harlem, you from this, and this guy's like, you know, a model was something. something like, but anyway, you don't think she fit? You don't think they fit? No, no, yeah.

I just think she's more. I figure out for more of a, like, I didn't try, I'm being cool with it. Nah, this is what I think it is. What I think it is, is like, y'all watch me grow up. You know what I'm saying? Like, coming home has been funny as hell because every single interview I've been doing has been all like my big brothers. So it's been a lot of tough love and a lot of, like, you know,

y'all knowing me from being little tea, you know what I'm saying, but I'm a woman, you know, and I am a mother and you know, people, people grow and people change and I feel like you know, young when you're young, yeah, you just you, you, you hide, you heavy, you,

you just, your, the personality is big, but when that carry on into adulthood, majority of it is survival mode, you know what I'm saying? And when you find a place that is so gentle, and so delicate and so kind

it will it could so if anything it's like boiling noodles you know you're gonna go in there was it was it like this the guy for me or was it like hard work was it like what did you see him and you was like yo this this because you know you come off of such a

big publicized relationship is it scared for a girl to take a chance with the next guy and say yo all right, this is the guy because I mean you're beautiful you're on top of the world you got money, you got whatever

I'm sure everybody and their mother was coming at you how did this guy get your attention? I mean I am really big on feeling and I always tell people like it's okay to feel allow yourself to feel whatever you feel

follow that you know and it wasn't something I don't go looking for anything I didn't go looking for anything and neither did he you know we were friends and it, you know, it went where it went. And I think the biggest thing is the friendship, you know what I'm saying?

In the safe space, we created a safe space, you know, and that's why I think now and days when people putting titles and labels on everything, it's just kind of like, create that safe space, create a friendship. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's sweet and it's gentle, and I deserve that. That's right. That was perfect answer. It was a perfect...

How has your experience in film and television influenced your creativity on making music now? Or does it... Does it even contrast or... It's shit a little because you've been around... You've been doing shit. Yeah, like, I've always been a character.

So, like, even when I was into music and doing videos, I was like, I'm ready to do more. I started my own production company, all female production company, my partner Coco, called her Auntie's Production. So we always, like, even we were doing my videos independently. I was going places from bye, man. When I saw it out, I knew it was, that was just the tip of it.

Yeah, like, I was just ready. I was always ahead of my time. I was just like, I'm ready for something else. Like, even when I started doing videos for everybody, I'm like, all, I'm ready to move into television and film. I knew that's what I wanted to do. So by the time I, you know, took a step back from music, I was like, I'm ready to do movies.

I want to do this, I want to do that, things I was already do. doing, but, you know, you already know how it is. When you're preparing for an album, everything's about the album, and everything else is put to the back burner. And I'm like, yo, if y'all can't balance this, then I'm too much. This don't even make sense to do this. So they came correct, and I got everything that I wanted. You're a good-ass actress, though.

Thank you. You went to acting school? No. You took no less. He's just from Harlem. Oh, no, you're a different kind of, you're a different human being, though. Yeah, we're acting in the bodega. We acted everywhere, bro.

No, but she's really good on screen. Like the movie, the movie you had the hard time in and that, I think that show. Yeah. That shows your skills. And now you're with Leonardo to camera. Doing shit. That's the shit, though. Like, you done elevated to a, you know, a lot of people are talented.

You know, sometimes I go to karaoke and some girl go up there and sing her ass off. But I'm like, damn, why this girl never became a star? you know, was such a blessing from you as you said, I'm acting and you went from let's say that movie wasn't a lot of money, right? But it showed your skill. Now you're with Leonardo DiNaro de Caprio. Yeah.

That's crazy. That's real shit. I mean, you got to work your area. You know what I'm saying? I think people want what they want so fast without doing the work. They want the glory. They don't want to do the stuff

that is creating the story for the glory. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to do the work. I'm a student. I'm never above learning. You feel I'm me? So it's just like I'm a student, even when I'm teaching, you know?

So it's just like, that's my mindset and understand. And I think that's probably that New York shit too. Like, yo, bam bam, bam, do this. My nigga see what's going on. Get you get where I want to be, then start calling some shots and, you know, making some noise and boom, boom, boom. But you've got to do that

first before you can do this. You just got to know how to work your area. Man, this is a great segue. It's a blessing. At 15. Yeah. The sweet tender age of 15, you choreographed Beyonce's ringing the alarm video.

What was that? How did that? That's crazy. How did that? You want to know what's crazy? Another stamp to New York. She wanted to learn the chicken noodle suit. Wow.

And this is, you know, this is when I was rolling around with the big hair, the fitting cap, you already know? You know what I'm saying? So, who better to get it right to you? So they called me, because I was outside battle on everybody.

Like, it was up for everybody. So it was like, they called me to come and do it, but you already know the hall of me, like, I'm about to throw a while of this shit in there. Like, it's like, yo, she had, She had one job. She just wanted to learn

a chicken noodle soup. And I went in there and I was ready like I was like Hey everybody, I'm ready to work let's go, boom and she just started dying lab and she's like oh yeah

she's a star. Like I was I was ready we were chicken noodle soup and there's some more shit like I was throwing it mad of the shit like maybe this maybe this that she called me back for another performance that she had

and you know let me help work on that and you know it just was amazing but I'm also a sponge bob square fucking pants Like, I'm a soak in everything. I'm going to take everything.

So I was like learning. So to be able to, you know, work with her. And it's like at that age, I'm taking in everything. But all of me is like, I understand aesthetics. And I was already 15 walking by dance groups like, nah, this need to be like this. Yeah, because if you look from here, it's not, it ain't, I ain't rolling. You feel like I was, oh, I was bossy.

But it was always for the best. You know your hood, right? You know, I don't know if you know. I started at 132nd in Park Avenue. Where? Yes, ma'am. Right by where the pimps in the holes used to be and the free cheese was out there underneath the train.

My man Chubby Love, he passed away. My man Chubby Love, aka Gerard X, his sister's trying to get the block named after him. So you know the term where the basketball courts in the handball court where he used to say crack is whack. He used to be out there So one day he pulls up He's in a Ford tourist

And he gets out the car This guy's like 600 pounds You have had to see him When you was a kid He was this big And he got out Louis Vuitton from the floor And I said

Oh shit What's that Because this guy Five 600 pounds What the fuck He was like Yo this dapper Dan He was like,

I was like, he took me to Dapper Dane when I was 14 I got my first Dapper Dane because Gerard X I never seen no shit like that He'd get out the car

The car go up He goes And the motherfucker Louis Vuitton all the way up And that guy took me to Dap Gerard X And so when I realized

You're from that same hood right there Very important growing up so hard though, right? Like growing up in that area because you know you go to that school across you went to that school right there? What school? The school right around the current

What's that school right there? What? Oh my God, you know that BS30? I was a minute's impeached at PS30. You know, they got like metal detectors and shit TSA in that school. My man's wife was the principal. She had me go talk to the kids.

I've never seen no shit like that. They had the metal detectors with the cop in the front they still got pimps and shit and all that over there but growing up so tough right to be so polished and um

and to get to where you're going and where you're at now what does that feel like when you come back to the city I've seen you with Bevy I love Bev I love Bev I love Bev I love yo you know what time it is with Bev and all that y'all. Who don't know Bev

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baby. This is crazy She's grown You know Yeah I know I seen it in that Kanye video I was like what the fuck going on Like that was the time right

That was when she became a woman Right When we seen that video I was like holy shit I was at the awards When they played that shit You know they played the first time on the awards Right yeah that was

I was in there watching I said what the fuck I'm saying yo this shit crazy And I seen you in the club one time too Doing some astronomical shit It was in Miami And it was like a pole Like a light

And the way you Not a stripper pole A pole And the way you was dancing on this fucking pole I thought like yo she's an alien or something I said yo she out of control with this shit right here I was like yo what the fuck And you, like, did he be doing the pull-ups?

You're doing all that shit on that. Oh, yeah, when I'd be like, but that's that hall in the shale, yeah, we used to be on the scaffolds doing that. Doing the pull-up. I ain't going from, when I'm in battle mode, like, especially in the yams. Like, I don't like feeling like people playing with me a little bit.

And I feel like people would come around, like, my table and try and, like, start dance. So I got to let you know, because you can't do no pull-ups. You're from the yams. You can't do no pull-ups. Yeah. We got scaffolds on the block everywhere we go.

No, I've seen that shit one time. I was like, yo, this girl crazy. Like, this shit out of control. Like I said, you're a triple threat. That's what I'm saying. Like, I had every stage, like, in my life. Like, Miami was, like, my young 20s.

But, like, as a mom and, like, just super grown, like, I'm so chill. I'll be chilling. As a mom. But I'm still ready to battle whenever. Because I'd be feeling like people would be trying me. They think you lost. You know, it was crazy?

I can't even go. I've been to a strip club where the girls didn't even want to dance around me. It was intimidating. Yeah. But it was the sweetest because it wasn't like a battle thing. Like in the club is when people were trying to try it. But it got to a place where like it went from people in the battle to now. People don't even want to like dance.

I mean, girls are like, oh my God, because you be dancing down. I feel crazy. I'm like, girl, this is. This is. Do your job. Not even. You, bro, you killing it. you feel me because y'all be doing shit that I'm like bitch yes get it you know what I'm saying

so it's like I don't want people to see me and be intimidated you know what I'm saying like y'all are beautiful y'all are killing it and they just be like start pop lock and this y'all's like babies oh they want to do a lot the pop lock in the six and sales is insane you know you're you at your videos where they they they dance or they come to be in your video and then they nobody want to see that shit right they come up in there and start pop like you're like you're like you're my man, we're looking for the like a vibe. Like the other dance. Like, yo, when they start doing the

other dance, you're like, yo, my man, like, you know, we, this ain't that type of party right here. Oh, it's crazy. You know, the one time I've seen some shit like that was we was at the record, we brought AI and they didn't want to check

him. He's the only player, NBA player I ever seen at the record that they would not D-em-up. They didn't want to D-U-U-A-I, like he came out there and nobody wanted to D-M-up. They was playing them from far, like

almost like the strippers. Don't want to dance around you where AI came out there and started going like, they was like, nobody wanted to be embarrassed on camera or nothing like that. He was just hopping to the rim. Nobody played defense on it. I've seen that shit before. Escape room

is an album in a short film. Walkers through the process. Let's walk us through. I mean, you told us we got to hear everything, really. Yeah, you got to hear. It's like going to the movies and having to pee. You know, you lead the pee. You might miss them.

You feel me? Like, we won't be able to pause the Joe and Jay to show. You feel what I? You got to, you got. Sometimes you got to pause. You know, you keep drinking that water. That shit run through the system, man. You know what I'm saying?

Water's good for you. For some reason, I ain't pee as much with Diet Pepsi, man. Now I'm drinking a whole bunch of water. I'm in the fucking bathroom all day. Filtering, you're filtering. Water works. Nah, but like real shit, it's like, it's an experience and it's like,

it's one thing leads into another versus like, okay, let me listen to a few songs and then I'm gonna go. It's all connected, I like it. Yeah, like when people listen, it's like an audio movie. Like, even without the movie attached, like listening to the album

is like an audio movie. So it's one of them things where it's like, I want people to receive it and really listen to it when they got some real time. Don't rush into my shit. If you joy ride and a work list. Don't skim through. You feel me?

Don't skim through my shit. You feel me? And like I said, it will create a lot of healthy dialogue. I think it's important, you know, to create those safe spaces and have an album. That's not a whole bunch of pointing to the fingers and, you know, different things like that. So the process is dope. And then once you see the movie with it, it's just like, oh, yeah, this is insane. I got a personal question, right?

The first album produced by the icon, Yay, Yeezy, right? What was that process like working with this man? Because I went in there to make a song. You want a song. I bought a whole other song. It's like 88 people. Listen.

It's me. You were 87. Which song is it? I had a song. It's called Pride and Joy I did with Kanye, but he went and called. Gis, busted this. The point is.

You know what's crazy? I didn't think it had me later. look for pride and joy. Yeah? I just told you, now that's 85 more people. 86 and a hat. Yo, the craziest shit is...

I like that song. Yeah, but I'm supposed to be on that song. Listen, I do the another round with Chris Brown. The shit is out of control popping. You know, this game, you need to be on a role.

Sometimes, you know, when I was young, I would just say what you. you want, I was just throwing out hits. So much I gave Jaru New York. I was just, I felt like it was hip mania. Like there's no way I could stop. Everything I did was a hit, number

one. Then you get to that motherfucking gray area. I'm like talking. No, I'm telling you, I'm pulling them out. Just everything I put out, I know it's gone. It's gone. I'm putting our hits. Then you get to that little stumble when you try and catch

that shit again. That ain't easy. Right. Facts. I go in the studio with Chris Brown. We got another one, right? So now I make... That was my shit, too. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that was my shit. Mm-mm, mm-hmm, right? So we make another one after that. I swear to God, it was a smash hit. And Kanye hears him, says, yo, let me work on that record. He changed the whole fucking record. He made it like,

we had another one I had another one coming right after the Chris Brown shit like another one like I had one and he switched the whole shit up so I know the one time I worked with him I know what he did to me what was that process like

working with him on the whole album even though the project came out incredible I mean I definitely feel like you know KTSC was like some of his best work and he's amazing but like what he did were going to love me and it was like that nigga wasn't a whole other

duff him. You know what I'm saying? Like what he did and that's why I say like some of his best work. That shit is just like incredible you know. And I think because it was that incredible that I think it became the both of ours versus

a my thing you know like a me thing. I think he was you know and as a creative even now looking at it like being as well I do everything for everybody like this was a passion project for him I think he was very very very very proud of it and I think that in that moment of being so proud is like he was living in that moment and I don't think he thought about everything else that was also a part of that moment you feel what I'm saying

because if it was up to me like dropping that shit right after fade would have been insane you know what I'm saying but I definitely think that it was a this project was his baby and he treated it as such you know what I'm saying and I think both of us like he was like yeah because you're going baby A on me so I think both of us being like the super creatives that we are I think that like in that in that moment from one creative to another creative like we both is like okay I get that you bra this is a problem for me too it was just a lot of of that you know what I'm saying but I think it's an amazing project and and I think it's a life-changer

and it's just like that was a time to be alive. You just had to be there. You know what I'm saying? And now, even today, like, I cut so much more grace. Like, I give so much more grace because it's just like,

people go through stuff. You know what I'm saying? And I think all he ever wanted to do was create, you know? And I know that feeling of just wanting to create. And I think those seven albums allowed him to just create without any of the extra shit. You know what I'm saying?

So at that point, it was blocked everybody out. He was locked. And he showed up for himself. And I think that's amazing. You know what I'm saying? I think we always talk about who's being selfish or whatever. But it's like, you know what?

Show for yourself because it all still helped us in a way. You know what I'm saying? I would have preferred it to move differently and the rollout to be handled differently because I am the baby and I am the girl. So it's just like, you know, everybody here I've been waiting the longest. You know what I'm saying?

Like everybody else here is consistent with their music. I don't have consistent music. So I needed you to pour into, like, continue on the passion of it. He was passionate, like knowing you kill these fucking beats. Now be passionate about this rollout and understand that, you know, we're in this together. You know what I'm saying? I got to take a slight force. You're on some bullshit with the green watch, with the green louis, with the good acting up right now.

What type of smoke? You can't, when you want it, all the smoke today? Like, what the fuck? I'm looking at the green watch with the Louise. Like, you acting up out here, man. That's how you feel. Yeah, that's how he's feeling. That's crazy.

To our guests. Yeah, that's right. She throw that shit on that. You know what's crazy? That's actually a compliment. I notice that. When I go places, it's like, people really be throwing on their Sunday's best. When they know, I'm coming to build, that's a good feet on me.

You come around. You can't go like you go into the laundry lab. I don't know. I love that. I really love that. And it pissed me off that I ain't really get to get my rocks.

Can we elaborate on these stinkers right? Jordan, they love you. Because the type of quality they gave you.

They let her go action. They let her go. What kind of fucking trees and shit? And, and yo, this shit is this shoe

to me when it came out was the shoe of the year. To me. Okay, I'm sure there's

shoes that came out that was fly but to me I do the sneaking shit for real and I know the quality I know how they let you get away with you know Rand Jordan don't let you put your name on the shit all this the box it came with

I think I got stiffed I think they gave me a whack box I think you had some special boxes with special boxes you had a special box you got a concrete box they gave me a regular red box I didn't get the premiere I didn't they gave it to me regularly Like, I'm just being honest.

It's just, like, gave you a pair, like, sneakers in a red box. Yes. They fuck me. You lying. I'm not even sure what kind of box I do. No, they came in the fly boxes. I've seen people with fly boxes. I was calling the Tina cursing out everybody.

I was like, yo, we're the fucking box. We're the fucking box. They got a special box. I got to get you a special box. You can put it in a store. My sneakers don't come in a special box. I got to get you a box to put in the store. They shot my shit in a fucking, what's the joint?

The Bening spot. all that. We shot. My photo shot was, shoot was on top of the projects in the what? Gucci Frito, with me and Remy in there like this. Like, that was our rollout. It's like, you got a special box, all type. I got the regular

shit. They was like, nah, you represent you know, the average man. Nah, but you know what I did, though? It's like again. But nah, that's that, that's also the hustle and the finesto. You wouldn't let them just give you. I went into my commercial budget. I took, I was taking money from

different places and saying, yo, this is what I want to do. You know what I'm saying? I need to make sure that the people, you know, that I fuck with heavy received these sneakers in a special way. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't going on front. The sneaker was sold out before we could even drop the commercial. So low key I could have made more than even more of boxes. I went to give you my sneaker and it was so much marijuana that got you high.

And that night, who was it? Little babies party or something? It was like three in the morning. Oh, yeah, for the after the party. And give them the sneaker. And give them the sneaker. It was,

I was high. Like, there's no way to fake secondhand smoke. Them motherfuckers were smoking so much shit that night. I'm of a certain. And that show in our age was I was in there dying, but that was the tour I created a director. Three in the morning, bro. I'm up in there that shit was like dumb, dumb, dumb,

like they were smoking so much shit, man. I was dizzy. She was like, Joe, I know you got my shit. I said, yeah, I couldn't wait for that dude to walk in that door to give him that sneaker so bad. I was like, yo, little baby, if you go, you got it. Take the pick. That shit was crazy.

But, you know, we grind different. Like, Jay, the man, hit up for one of those. I ain't saying anything. I'm just enjoying the conversation. The auntie's production. So that's crazy, y'all ain't bringing up the fact that I got a song in the video with both of y'all. We're here to talk about you, though. I'm a part of that.

That's a part of my journey. Why be a-old-the-based stuff? That's something that you can talk about. You know what I mean? That's why he's a yotee how I feel. Yeah, how does it feel to have a song in the video with us to? Yo, where's the camera? Like, some of the best moments of my life.

I need y'all to understand. Like, this little girl from Harlem having an opportunity to work with both of y'all is amazing. And I don't ever want y'all to get lost on that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like people see where my career is going and, you know, feel like the other shit don't matter. So, again, I say it's all about where I start. and people who's always believing we got a few records together.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I, you know, and feel with the most gratitude. No, we really do. You know, and that's one thing I could always say. Like, I call Jay and it's like, whatever, and it's quick, too. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, that's the kind of shit that means the world to me. You know what I'm saying? You make a wait all the time. Oh, you make a wait? You ain't her. Yeah, I'll be having a lot. I'm chopped me.

What am I? They go my acting, what am I? What am I? What am I chopped meat? Yeah, what was, what I do? What's A2ndekis verse out here? He'll start telling me, you know, people give me watches for verses. Oh, you're giving you to him?

That's my artist. That's my own artist. They got to do that thing in the verse out of me. Yo, that shit crazy, man. Well, listen, I'm just happy to be a part. You know what I'm saying? and I feel blessed to have both of y'all in my life

and have been able to work with y'all and I just really want to give y'all y'all flowers. The podcast is fucking fire. I could not go into this surgery without coming home and seeing y'all like this year really need to urge me. Hold on, hold on, let's backtrack here.

We talked off the air. It's a bittersweet moment, but we walk with the faith of God. Our sister has to have vocal surgery. Tell them a little bit before, you know what I mean? I think people elaborate a little Before we say a prayer

With her Before she's going to surgery No real talk We gotta say a prayer Yeah, that's going to let them know I'm good You know, I think You know, I've

There's been a lot of years of singing And then, you know And acting and just a lot of trauma To the vocal core You know what I'm saying? A lot of stress to the vocal core And I think it's just time to fix it And sometimes we

We just try and keep going And keep going and keep going And keep going into like our bodies like all right now it's time to let you know you know you know what I'm saying exactly and I think it's something that I want to handle now so I am able to go on tour and I may not be able to talk when this album dropped but to be able to go on tour

and even have a bigger moment with that and with my supporters and give them a real show is amazing but you know I'd love to be transparent with my people and you know I just wanted to share it because I will be like I won't have to really sit back and you know take that step back in hand and do that. And a good thing is it's treatable.

And I caught it in just enough time because it could have got, it could get worse. You know what I'm saying? If I don't handle it. So I'll be doing that tomorrow. So if it's got to be quiet. For like two weeks straight, that's Chris. Oh, man. That's Chris. Got right.

Is all you the animated one in the crew? I am the animated one in the crew. Because I'm the one that talk the most shit. You know what I'm saying? No, that's me. I'm like super animated. Hello? I'm super. Yeah. I'm like I'm not even a text. I got a FaceTime. For every little thing, like, I have to, like, talk.

And I'm passionate. And that's what a New York shit kicking. No matter how soft I get, we having, like, a little, like, conversation. And that New York shit come out. Come up out of you, yeah. Fuck is you talking about, though. Like, it's crazy. All of that.

All of that. I'm all of that. They're like, yo, I'm not mad neither. You ever see those, like, TikToks or memes they be doing about New York girls? And they be like, yo, I'm dead ass. They'd be, like, for, like, the Bay Area or somewhere. They were like, do your New York girl. They'd be like, I'm dead ass.

Where do, like, man, I see some shit on the ground. Look, I'm too old for this shit, boy, man. I remember those ghetto love stories with the girl scream. She was like, Jonathan Ellis. I'm telling you, boy. I'm with you, like, they had, like, a hood girl arguing with her man. And she was like, Then Ellis, I'm telling you, don't play with me.

He's like, he's trying to, he's like, you, I can't fucking eat. Like, what's going? Like, she just, I mean, you know, that's part of growing up, right? New York love story. Let me hear about your all-female production company, the Auntie's production. Yeah, the Auntie's Production. Your all-female production company, really, we have a company called Auntie 362 because we do everything. So we creative, direct, produce, design.

merch, stage, design, sound design, movement, coaching, choreography, directing. Like, literally everything is really a safe space for creatives so they don't feel boxed in. You want to do this, bet? You want to do this, but, you know, and cost effective. You know, these labels and shit ain't got no real budgets no more. You know what I'm saying? Honey, tell me about it. You work with a lot of major brands.

now how you choose is it the bag of course the bags have to be right but I can imagine they just knocking down your door Victoria's secret

all of them brands all money ain't good money you know I know that all money ain't good money I'm going and just snatching bag just because there's a bag to snatch

right there might be a bomb in that motherfucker I ain't getting blown up you feel me so it's just like I'm very cautious with that you see a bag that should be

what's the weirdest In his back, they tried to throw you to you was like, nah, I can't do it. I'll tell you mine. What? What's your? No, no. Do you first?

Wait, boy. Nah, they try to get me to do the Fahas, the man Fahas. They had the mill ticket. They had the mill. I ain't going to front, Joe. I ain't going to fraud. Oh, oh, so let him get the Fahy bread. You know.

What you had to do? No. Just throw it on it? You had to take the flick with just the, that was. y'all that would have offended you would have been fend this me no oh but you want me to take your uncle dad was like yo it's a mail ticket

okay but what do they want to say just wear it when we was the 1 70th and third you wouldn't a dream of this thing but what if they said just wear it you ain't got a posting it just say y'all got it on under the tea right now these guys that's what I'm saying no no no no no no no you know what they wanted me to do they wanted the skim like shit they wanted me up in there with the solid going I got a dog, a girl with a solid gold ball,

got a treat me with a eating. Did you negotiate? Did you just flat out say no? No. Like certain shit, you get it's under the... Just let me throw it under and say I'm... I don't even want to say this story, right? I don't even want to say the story.

I'm not going to... I'm making this about Tiana. I'm not making this about fat Joe. I don't want to... There is times... Let's say to the... They said they want to hear this one. They want to hear this one?

Yeah, they want to hear this one. They want to hear this. Listen, people eat what they kill. Uncle Dan caught a company that told them they had a million to throw Joe to do that. And the man was on my neck. Like, yo, it's a meal ticket. Yo, sup, this is just a picture. They're going to throw it on.

I said, yo, I fad Joe the gangster, be? Like, you want maybe. Now I might create my own brand. Now it feels a little better because, you know, we got to rewind a turn. You could color your beard, your hair. You know, why I look 53, when you could look 43, 43, you 20.

You know, times are changing. At the time, when they gave me that, was way too early. I thought you could have told them, like, designed it like a bulletproof vest and the little straps would have made it tight up. Maybe I should ask you all these precautions. Maybe that's what I needed.

that. But, you know, sometimes and not only sometimes, you I've, it was just a period of time where I turned down more money than I made. It was just, they was coming with just like, all type

of crazy. You think you're crazy because I'm from the projects. So I'm turning shit down, left the right. I'm like, yo, are you bugging? Like, are you ever going to get this open again? Like, that's real shit. All money, all money ain't good money. That's a fact.

So I'm very selective in who I work with. And most importantly, your freedom, your creative freedom. Because freedom ain't free. Yeah. A lot of these friends are still in the energy. Exactly. Speak on it, God.

Freedom is still shit. Freedom ain't free. Freedom ain't free. What I'm saying is going to come with a price, you know? So it's just like you want to make sure you go somewhere where you have that freedom to do that. You know what I'm saying? Let's talk about the Fahas in the future.

We might get that bag again. Maybe like I get coming on a creator's record thing and figure out this. It might be the name of the company, the Fahahas in the future. Yeah, Jayden's fucking... Fahawah Free to Fee. Fee. I got to watch this guy. Free to Fahawah. Free to fire.

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You have an incredible slate of upcoming film. the B-Rillings. I mean, including projects with Paul, Thomas, Anderson, Tyler Perry, Ryan Murphy. How do you choose your Agben Roads? That is a good question. I mean, I got to feel it.

Honestly, if I don't fall asleep, reading the script, I love it. No, for real, because sometimes I will read a script, and I will read it, and it will go through one ear and out there, like, it won't leave the paper. I'm just like, but when I'm reading it

and I can see what's happening while I'm reading it because I am a visual person that I know it's for me but it's also like what's the what's the bigger message like what are we talking about here you know so that's important to me and then of course have an opportunity to work with the people that I've worked

with that's another big yes that's like oh absolutely I gave you a loush I went to see send or something I seen the clip of your movie and I said oh shit They're looking at me. Yeah, I know her, man.

You shut up. I got to be honest. Only guy I ever been a group before was Leonardo de Capio. Pause. So Leo said, do this Faha commercial with me. Nah. But listen to what you're saying to you. The man at the Beyonce concert, he got a hoodie on.

this like there's no way to notice Leonardo to Caprio you know we're sitting in the arm we're standing in the thing and it's shit like this he got a hat like this

he's like yo what's up Joe I'm like you what's up I'm like yo what's up you know because you know I'm doing the Joe crack too I'm out there you know what I'm saying I'm like yo what's up man

he's like yo it's me Leonardo I said what the fuck take the hoodie off now I took a picture with him. The shit still came out fucked up. It's the only time I ever did that shit. And the picture came out

too dark. But I made him take the fucking hoodie off. I was like, yo, take the shit off, man. I gotta get a pick this. He was like, boom. He was a nice guy, man.

He loved hip-hop. He loved hip-hop. He loved hip-hop. But he's the only guy ever, like, lost my cool for pause. What is your favorite? I'll give you.

I'll give you a way out. What's your all-time favorite soul-food spot in Harlem? How do you got to talk about food? I ain't going to front, Amy Roos. Amy Roos was your favorite. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But I used to also love, well, Devin's was fried fishing, shit like that.

But, like, soul food. So-food. Yeah, Amy Roos. Amy Roos. The cornbread was fired. The fried chicken was fired. The macaroni was fired. And coming up, like, they were like,

just always show me mad love like from a kid to like you know what I'm saying like coming into the industry like I have little events there like because I'm like a creature I have it so once I like something it's like that's all I want to eat

because besides soul food was Chinese spot on 40th and Linux or it was Grinney's on 43rd What does the Chinese is just regular ghetto Chinese or yeah right? Oh dang it on Linux The 40th and Lennox

40th and Linux they still there Oh speaking of food You know the spot Well, shout out to Make My Cake in Harlem Yo, make my cake Make my cake They don't want

25th We used to bottom on on on 7th and you could just smell it Oh, my God

People's watched our episode from the Bronx Right I'm from I'm from Harlem for real bag I'm telling you

Mount Morris Park The people from the Bronx The restaurant You said I got the banging sauce Is groovy

Luz's in-laws They're gonna next show they're going to bring they're going to lay show and bring you the I need the spot remember because you told us about it on the show what I was out there in the Bronx I got the chicken the sauce

one of these episodes you was talking about a spot in the Bronx with the banging sauce well whoever he was talking about they're coming he's about to bring you yeah you know what I'm looking for you want for Zip put me on to turkey chops back in the day stop and shop

They ain't got the turkey chops because I went to every stopping shop looking for the turkey chops. They ain't got it. But I think what the bigger question is what exactly are we talking about? Fake pork chops. He must be hungry because he can't talk about food. Do we need to order? Like, will we, I'm just saying like, what's the indoor bill?

Fake food chops. Because I'm hungry too. Like, if you're coming now or the next episode. Why would y'all niggins order no chicken? He ordering some shit for next week. I'm telling you right now. Say that what you, Jade. I'm thinking, is the shit coming today?

I'm hollying. No, no, what I'm saying is we was talking hall on the culinary. I'm trying to conduct the interview. He over here asks you about your five favorite soul food. No, I didn't. Why? You said turkey chops. That came out of the soul food because the Chinese spot of a hundred forty.

But you feel me, but I had incident. Food is really important. So we got the turkey chops. I'm like, yo. Like, they bring us up. I'm with you. I thought he was on. He said,

no, no, what? Shout out the vo-Zip. I'm looking for turkey shots. No, no. What's on this guy's mind over it? Von Zip used to take me to a spot downtown, like big time, a capriely's and some wild shit. And they used to have the turkey chops that you take home and you fry it like pork chops. And it tastes like pork chops.

Ah. They stopped making it. So the other day, I seen the soul food joint, I was like, yo, it said turkey chops. I was like, yo, where the fuck the turkey chops? What spot was that? And then everybody started telling me turkey chops, and they all said stop a shop,

but I went to like 10 stopping shops. By the way, we got rewinded 10 up in that motherfucker, too. So if you want to go 53 to 43, 403, there's no turkey shop. They are. He just don't know where they yet. I love that we found something, though, because I was confused as to. No, he's just saying.

I'm just happy we found it. I'm crazy. Don't mind me, guys. No, I love it. I'm just happy we found it because I wasn't sure where we was going to be able to defend you.

I used to eat turkey jobs for years. They discontinued it. And then the other day I talked about it in one of the shows and everybody told me, nah, they got the turkey jobs. So I went to 10 supermarkets

in the hood and I couldn't find the tech. How dare they? That's a big deal for me. That's a big fucking deal. Because you know, ain't no swine. There ain't no pork of my fork no ham in my pan you know what I'm saying

I don't know what you're saying I don't know listen your B&T performance a long time was categorized that's futuristic for me you might be like the second to Michael Jackson

how much you rehearse and how much you prepare for live performances at me watching you I see you all over I see when you're getting ready to do a tour or you're getting ready to do something just like you're doing

unlimited amount of dancing rehearsing and how do what is it with that do you take that even more serious than anything? I take that so serious because honestly if I could like record the album and then press the button that take me straight on tour and I don't have

to do press radio everything that comes with all that shit I would go straight on I would go on tour for the rest of my life I love to perform live and I love to rehearse I'll rehearse my dance Like, I can dance, like, 12, 13 hours straight. Daytime, you're still going. You feel what I mean? Like, I would just, I can just do that all day.

And that's also why I'm so toned. Like, I'd be so ripped on tour. You're like, you're boring six-packed up. Yeah, she looked like. You just born six-pack. No, I was. I used to call myself a Ninja Turtle. You know how they had the little hudge with a six-pack on top of it,

real shit. I was a ninja turtle. See, I never had a muscle in my life. We talk about I was in the gym two times a day trainers and everything and couldn't make a muscle

I don't know I'm knocked you out I needed the fire I needed the fire I said ferry man Yeah you could have got paid to get that muscle too You could have got paid the millie To get the muscle

Who she get it from mom from you or from dad where she get the genetics from I'm asking you New York New York Now, but my mom, my mom has been heavy into fitness, like at a young age, you know. My parents are both fit. Look better than ever.

But let me tell you something. Like, in order, like, you know, I'm a big basketball fan. And in order for someone to become the MVP or to win a championship, it's a certain level. Like, that's why you see all these guys breaking their Achilles and all that. It's another, like, you got to be faster than everybody. You got to go another level. You got to train another level, like, to get to that, to the chip. And then when I watch your performances, for no reason, you'll be like,

you're jumping in here, like, it ain't enough. Like, for you, it's like, yo, it's like, you got so much built in the energy that I believe you trained your dances because I see you outwork them. And that's very rare, you know, because the dances, they're supposed to, you know, help out the artists. You know, certain artists need a lot of help, you know. Yeah, but I also think that artists don't, other artists are, they don't choreograph for themselves.

So it's like, I'm the dancer and the choreographer. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, oh, this is what we doing. It's how it's going down. And me, I just, I love to dance. I love to rehearse. I just thought I want, Jay, that this is, you ever battle Chris Brown behind the scenes at a show or something?

it's never been a battle but behind the scenes it goes down like it's just always dancing but the thing about we be so in sync it's never a battle it's always like if he moved this way then we both moving that way and then we catch it and then we just like in our own little world there's a lot of videos of us like literally doing that like we dance all day like it's people be tired of us it's like all right fucking dancing motherfuckers like sit down you know what I'm saying but like we literally do that shit like all day and we hype each other up you know what I'm saying like it's not it's not it's not it's not There's no, like, we're not competitive toward one another. And I think us coming up together, you know.

That's, we would like to see the videos, the footage someday of you and Chris going. That was a good one. Thank you, brother. No alien talk. No crazy shit. They think I'm a basket. No, I definitely think the world deserve, uh, deserve that moment. That'd be crazy.

They deserve that moment from a, they deserve a stern dance number. gotta be insane that would be nuts with escape room coming out in August what's next feet well at the cost of surgery how long is the healing well I mean the first two weeks

I just got to shut up I got to be quiet and then the third week I'll go back into like training to make sure doing therapy on my vocal cords tour after that tour probably in January

because then I got to get ready for one bad I have another September 26 coming. Then I got Alls Fair coming, and then I got Rip coming with Matt Damon and been an athlete. And, you know, it's just a lot back to back, the back, the back, the back. And then I'm thinking tour maybe like January, February. And then, oh, I'm about to direct my first feature film called Get Lights on the Get Light Culture. And all of them, my first, like, feature film as I was directed.

Yeah, so, and that too. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. That's awesome. That's crazy. What advice would you give to somebody trying to do what you did or something remotely close to they want to sing, dance, produce? You know, if you just bumped into a young tea right now in a hall?

I mean, I bump into young ins that come to me all the time asking me that question and not tell them to be true to yourself. And I know that shit sound, you know, gimmicky or whatever they call it like generic yeah generic because people say man man we're for real don't tell me never give up we're for real I'm trying to get something you feel me so it's just like I like to be real with people in in transparent to Joe's point like I'm a manifester you feel what I'm saying so you got to manifest what you want and you got to say what you want and you got to pray on what you want

you got to believe that that's what it's going to be it's the faith walk. I tell everybody walk that walk, walk. It ain't going to be a straight one. You know what I'm saying? Like it's going to be rocks and shit that's going to be thrown and, you know, you might run into a deer. There's a lot of shit going on, but you got to keep that faith walk going. And that's what I tell him. Like, and it's just, it's important. It's not, never give up. It's not boom, boom, because we have our times, we're like, fuck all this shit. I don't want to do it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not about to tell you to do that. You know what I'm saying? But I do want to tell you to believe and have those conversations with God.

That's the only real, like, bets you need to make. You know what I'm saying? And understanding that, she's not going to be thrown in your lap. And the number one thing is don't take none of this shit personal. My mom told me that a long time ago, because I come in at 15, I took everything personal. That's why I was raw, raw, raw, raw, raw, because I'm in survival mode.

I'm taking it personal. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got mouths to feed people to take care of. I'm taking this shit serious. You know what I'm saying? And ain't shit shaking. So how I'm going to shake this table? You know what I'm saying?

But my mom and tell me, don't take this shit personal. It's a wicked business. And when you stop taking shit personal, you'll feel a lot better. So now being back on my terms, I don't take nothing personal. And I feel a lot better. And I'm glowing and I'm continuing to grow and I'm doing my thing because I don't take shit personal. That being said, get ready for the escape room. Let's get into one of these bangers, courtesy of Tiana Taylor,

only on the Joe and Jada show. You know what I mean? Natina, make sure we got permission for this, because last time you tried this shit, they said, boom. Oh, yeah, they turned the screen back. That was a great song. Hold on. Bullshit is that.

You sure you spoke to the White House? Yeah. You. Me? What about me? We did this before, and then I watched the episode the screen. We got black.

Y'all just make sure y'all find it. make sure y'all find his turkey chops. You heard it? Say that again. Y'all just make sure y'all find his turkey chops. Dave, he ain't finding this. What got you doing them turkey chops? He ain't finding. Find them turkey chops.

Not stew linens. He ain't find it. You could have got it when you did the, when you sold the rum. When you sold the soferezo. You know what's crazy, type it in Uber Eats. You type it in Uber Eats. You might be able to find a turkey shop. So they're going to find a way that is that.

You know what? That's my mission today. I'm going to find me. Let me go on Uber East right quick. Let me see. I'm going to go to Sto Ledges everywhere. They got some in Louis. They ain't got no, they ain't got no, uh, turkey jobs. Let's get it to this exclusive.

Feed the whole damn day. Put it loud, James. Put it loud. Got a few questions for you. Shit is getting real confusing. Do you want this or do you don't? Hmm. I want to see a difference in the way you move it.

Proving you don't give a fuck by losing. I'll stay home, so now I'm gone. Was your wife or was you proud of that? But all you did was make me cry about you enjoyed the view. Pain. So fucking selfish can't get through to you Who really wins when a family feel

It's so cool, you turn love blue Your probable divide the night this time And really, I never said it to me I never said it'd be easy But the heart part is over with you I'm through And we need to see what to me and never say it to be easy But the heart part is over with you

I can feel you from here Close its phases we fill up with it Time and energy loves can't get back Lucky Dan I knew it You would have all these feelings I'm feeling I can't react Oh No change we act And I understand

When you're standing Wrong When we can't use me stride Keep in pieces Leave me vacate I do move on Thinking we timed out Thinking I signed up

But the hot part is over with It's over with you Oh Now The hard part is all of me Escape room That was the hard part was that a hard part Holy shit was that a beautiful soul

you're down, low stream, purchase, wherever you get your forms of music, escape room project will be out. Shout out Lucky Day. Shout out Lucky Day. Shout out of six packer. This guy going to perform six-packed out. This guy right here, right?

Lucky Day. I got to tell you, the vibe that gave me, first of all, you picked up right where you left off, even better growth. Yeah, that shit was neat. That was a beautiful. You know, that reminds me.

When she called the car, and she was like, you might not have noticed me, but I'm the waitress. You know, I throw water in your, in your, in your, in your, in your, in your, in your, my boss told me not to throw the milk. He told me not to throw the milk, but I throw the milk in your chocolate and, and the, what was the name of that spot? Legendary on a hundredth century. Hand pan. Hand, pan was legend. Yo, you got to stop.

You ain't know. No pork of my fault. No ham in my pan. That's a hard. I'm a restaurant. I do the name of them. All right, but pan, but this is why y'all got out of here.

That's that five, though. Well, we're going to pray for you with the surgery. Thank you. We thank you for honoring us with your presence. You after us, but we feel like you just bridge our era with the new era. Like, you're great.

She got that cloth. You're from that cloth. You know what I mean? That's hard to be from that cloth. You know what I mean? So we appreciate it. you and thanks for sitting on the couch with us. I'm Joe Crack.

Jay to kiss. This ain't that. That ain't this. And it's cracking kiss, baby. Make some noise for Tiana. Tell him. Thank you. I'm.

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