Joe and Jada - The Real Report - 50 Cent's director Eif Rivera tells WILD 'Power' & Fat Joe beef stories

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

On this episode of The Real Report, Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda sit down with Bronx-born music video and TV director Eif Rivera, who breaks down his journey from graffiti and camcorders on 164th and Sheridan Ave to becoming one of the most trusted directors in hip hop and Hollywood. Eif details his long creative partnership with 50 Cent, the untold story behind brokering the peace between 50 and Fat Joe, and how working video after video with 50 ultimately opened the doors to 'Power,' 'For Life,' and music videos with Kendrick Lamar, Drake, French Montana, Nicki Minaj, and more. He also shares the full story of landing Al Pacino for his upcoming film 'Killing Castro,' including the nerve-wracking dinner where Pacino name-dropped every director he'd ever worked with before telling Eif that it was rappers that saved his career. Eif also reveals his next project, a Kimbo Slice biopic where 50 was offered the lead role.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, Eif, man. Where are you from? BX. Oh, the BX, the Bronx, man. Your whole life, the BX? Whole life, 164th and Sheridan Nath. Oh, okay. And what made you want to pick up a camera?

I was always into art, man. So it was just went from graffiti and drawing and shit like that to just moving images. You had a breakdancing and all that? Yeah, I mean, I love movies, so it was the thing for me. Yeah, I remember Kay Slay used to be, rest of piece of Kay Slay. He was big into the graffiti. He used to spray painting and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, I got a K-Slaid story.

And I watched Beach Street and all that and all that back in the day. Yeah. Classes. Yeah, so you know, that's what it is growing up in the Bronx, you know, in the 70s and around, you know, all the crews back then. Right. I mean, my block was called the Unstoppable Crew. The Unstoppable Crew, man. You had everybody out there. The DJs used to go in the corner. There was a little church, 165. Right. Melly Mel, everybody's DJ up there, man. So it was embedded in us young, like growing up, hip-hop. You know what I mean? So graffiti was just another aspect of it.

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Oh, okay. What's your first time picking up a camera? Man, the first time. Don't worry about murder. Hold up, and we're not going to do this too. You're not going to ask all the questions, brother. We're not going to do this. He always trying to take over the whole thing.

I mean, you got to. You can answer this question, but we're not going to do that. You ask the next question. All right. What's the first time you picked up a camera? Man, I had a, um, the shit was a one of the camcorders, a little tape.

Remember a little tape joints? pop in there. Right. And I was just around the way. And, you know, I grew up in Lord Tarieg, Peter Guns, and all these dudes from my block. Soundview. Sound view and all that. And I started fucking around shooting Lord Tarique and shit like that around the way.

And then that led to me shooting Fat Joe because he was just right down the block. Shout to Fat Joe. Yeah, Fat Joe. I'm so happy that everything was settled. Rest of peace on Chris Lighty because that was a crazy. That was a crazy one. That was crazy, man. That was crazy.

You want to touch on that? I mean, Joe has said something in this book, but I could elaborate a little bit more how that whole thing went down. I got to get it. Shout to Joe, man. I got to get your book, man. What's the name of the book? Fat Joe's book. It's Fat Joe.

Fat Joe mentioned it in the book. Okay. But, yeah, I could touch on it. Go ahead. Yeah, of course. Like, you know, I know from just the music side, when y'all was going through the shit right and um

I had met fifth by accident right it wasn't by accident but I had did a little project and he saw he wanted to meet me so then I started working with fifth and then um I told I think he kind of knew too I was like down with Tupper's squad and all that you know what I mean but we never really touched on it and then I've seen how

my relationship with fifth blossom you know what I felt like yo like we cool with each other It was a creative thing. You know what I mean? And we got to the point where I was just like, yo, man, you remind me so much of Fat Joe. Like, y'all both, you know, funny niggas, you know, hard street niggas, you know what I'm saying?

Like, all of that. And I was like, if you got really to meet Joe, y'all would like each other, you know what I mean? Because you're the same, bro. And I was shooting a video one day in L.A. What was Fifth? Responsment, you said that, though, when you told him that. You know, you know, fifth, fifth.

50 type of dude, he doesn't say nothing. He just look at you. And he's processing that whole thought. You know how he is. He's just, Ibrown, the eyebrow raised up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm about raised up, and he just, mm-hmm. You don't say nothing. He just kind of walk away.

So, but I kept beating him over the head with it, you know what I mean, respectfully. You know what I mean? Because sometimes things don't want, you know, revisit shit, whatever the case is. Yeah. So I was in L.A., man, and I was about to shoot a video. It was Fat Joe, Whiz Khalifa, and Tiana Taylor. I forgot the name of the record. But Fifth hit me.

Because by that time, me and Fifth already been rocking. We've been doing, I don't know, man, we done, me and Phil got probably like 50 videos in by now. Let's name the 50 videos. Oh, man, I can't even. I'm trying to remember. I'm going to touch. So with the 50 videos, when I met Fifth, like, he saw it out of eye, right? So we were just, it was just me and him running around with a camera.

Like, it was crazy. Like, we out in the blizzards. You know, Fifth gonna get. Yeah, I remember all that. I remember one of them videos like that. It was a blizzard. Yeah, like we're in the snowstorm. It's just me and him.

Everybody doesn't be crazy. So, but we rocked out, and I taught myself how to edit and do all that shit, right? And, you know, then I think the first break I got, and when I say break, I mean, actually doing something for a label. Yeah. Because by then I was just doing shit with Fifth. And then the first time I seen. like, I don't want to say real money. Like, when I felt the money on the fifth side.

What you mean? You got real money. You said, it's real money. It's real money. So you're saying when you got fifth, you got what fifth? It was real money. So, yeah, so when I got, I mean, we was running around. He was paying me for video and stuff like that.

But I knew it was different when he did a mixtape for one of the websites. I'm not going to mention, but he did a mixtape. And then he told somebody in your office, I think he told Renee, whatever, yo. give Eif all the money for the mixtape. Let him keep that and do videos. I never knew that one. Yeah, yeah. So it was like 35, 40,000.

I was like, oh, shit. Like, that's when I said this shit is real. You get what I'm saying? Like, it was a hobby. So you felt like that was your first big break? Yeah, I was like, oh, shit. Like, I went home and shit like, yo. Got you.

Throwing the shit at my wife. Like, yo, we up. We up. We up. We made it. We made it. We made it. Yeah.

So, you know, we just kept rocking. And then the next time was, remember 5th did that record with Alicia Keys, Dre. What was that song? But how do you keep the balance? How do you be friends with 50 cent and fat Joe? But hold out. Because it's like, you know how the game is. You can't.

You got to choose to decide. Nah, you know, I think my relationship with Fifth, man, and the way Fifth operates, you know, it's all about loyalty and everything. else, right? You just got to be honest and lawyer and respectful and all that. So I would tell him when I'm about to work with somebody. I'm like, yo, so-and-so hit me up to work. And I'm talking about, like, people he don't even, like.

Got you, got you. You know what I? Like, he just, he just, they don't see eye and eye. He ain't block your money. Yeah, he didn't block. No, he never blocked my money. He was like, yo, we'll get your money. Right?

So, but see, he saw it differently. Like, I'm seeing it like, you know, like, I'm just hungry to work. And I'm like, there's another artist. So I'm like, yo, I got so-and-so hit me. He's like, go get your money. I ain't going to stop you. But he'll tell you the reason why he didn't stop me was it was one was the money, but also because he wanted me to gain just more experience, but working with different people.

Right. He was like, go get the experience. I'm not going to stop you. Go work with this person, that person. And then, you know what I mean? And then you come back. You know, it's time to come back. And so that's how we rocked this.

So with Joe, you know what I'm saying? He knew I grew up with Joe. but I remember he called me. He was coming back to New York. So he was heading to the airport. No, you know why I said that to you, though? Yeah. Because I remember when Fifth was rocking with Jesse Terrero in them.

Yeah. And they did. Shout out, Jesse, yeah. Yeah, they did something with somebody that was a company, you know, and I never seen him again. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a way to go about this. I never, I mean, look, man, at the end of the day, it's like, yeah, like,

and even with Joe, though, like, when I started working with Fifth, Right. How did Joe look at you? Joe was, he was, like, my thing is, like, where we all come from and shit like that, right? Like, like, I ain't a sucker nigga. Like, I ain't no punk, right? So, like, with Joe, like. Because industry niggas will act like they're not mad, but they be mad. They be mad, yes. You know what I'm saying?

Right. So with Joe, I was like, yo, at first he kind of, like, laugh, but he wasn't mad. He was like, I, go ahead, right? Let's see what that is. Because I think a part of him wanted to. squashed that beef at some point. Okay. Because being grown men.

Because you got squashed at the Chris Lytley event. So right. So when I was talking about all that, and then Chris Liddy had passed, and I think that made it even stronger. You know what I mean? And then it was like a week before the BT Awards. That was the L.A. thing I was doing out there,

a video with Joe. Fifth hit me. He's going to airport. So I said, I said, you're on with Joe. So he's at where you are at? That was a crazy night, too. Yeah, he's like, yo, let's do this. That was a crazy night.

Yeah, he was like, let's do it. Oh, yeah, the BETT was, yeah. Yeah, that was, it felt like, it felt like Rikers Allen back there. I didn't go a lot. That's when the murder of Rick Ross and Jeezy. Oh, that's a nail. It was like a lot of stats. Nah, listen, so I go to my, I was staying by the airport.

So you said you was with Joe and Fifth called you. So fifth is like, yo, the make it happen. I'm not going to jump on a flight. So I went back to my hotel. I told Joe pull up. I said leave everybody outside. Right. And fifth left everybody outside, too.

And they came in. Man, I was like, y'all, y'all need to start. I order chicken tenders and all kinds of shit for the room. I was like, dead this shit right now. I was like, come on, y'all, y'all both of my brothers, you know what I mean? Like, come on, like, stop. And they shook hands and then, like, five minutes later, they're joking. Definitely.

They're talking about shit, joking and all that. But the public ain't know yet. Like, we just kept on the low. You know what I mean? And then the BET Awards. That was big. Yeah. That was big.

But I remember that was some funny shit because people probably still thought 50 and Joe had beef at that time then, correct? Well, they still, right? They still. Yeah, at that time because I was there, yeah, they did. Yeah. But it was all good, you know. Okay. That was when the gunplay situation happened.

Matter of fact, let me back up. The BET shit happened first. And then we had the meeting the second time. Oh, okay. That's what the world was. Because I remember, so Joe, it was fun, fun, any shit because I know like Pistol Pete in autumn at the BT Awards.

Right. And then Joe would call me, Joe would be like, Yo, Pete telling me like, we got a hundred niggas in. I had a friecy pull up like a hundred knickers straight to his to... Yeah, it was on the Pt award. Joe said he would have got me out of everybody.

Shout to Joe. Joe said he would have got my brother. Shout to Pete, Rich. He said he would got me first. So I told Joe, I was like, yo, man, you good. Like, I spoke to Fifth. You good.

And he's driving up from Florida, right? Miami, whatever. 10 minutes later, he called me again. He's like, yo, Peaches sent me. He said, Fifth, let all the terrorist squad niggas in because they couldn't get in. And I was like, I'm, yeah, y'all, yeah, you know, thank God.

You know, because it could have got ugly any day. Oh, so, look, Fifth did that before him and Joe actually? Okay, I want to copy. Okay. So I was telling Joe, I'm like, yo, if that's happening, you good. Like, trust me. Like, Fifth's not going to go back on his word. So they get there, they perform.

But I think when they got up on stage, fifth banged him on the leg. He hit Joe in the leg. He's like, yo, we're good. Joe still ain't know how to take it. Yo, Joe, let me tell you, that was a serious beef. I remember one time leaving the Diamond District,

I ran in the peak, right? He said I ran back then, but I didn't want. I swear to my dad father. Hey, man, shout to Pete. That's my man. We can tell the truth now. Yeah. So I'm with my man, Halu,

and I'm with somebody else, right? So I'm coming out. He's going in, but I ain't going on front. He had two short Spanish niggas with him that look super grimy. Like they look like they was with the shit. You know they had something because they wasn't like no, they was like short niggas, but them niggas look like, you know. They're going to start doing that shit.

I'll be talking about. And the rainbow knives and all that. They start putting out the machete, start dancing. Word. What about, what about power, man? Like, how do you go, how do you feel like going from TV? to go into power and name some of the show, other shows. Now, so, I mean, it was.

You made basically videos from doing all this TV, from videos doing all the TV stuff. Yeah, so you know what's crazy is, man. Like Hollywood. Like music video directors got a bad rep when it comes to Hollywood. Like crazy bad. Like, you know, you got music directors that went and did movies that just bombed. Talk about them who?

Who should bomb? No, I'm not going to say. No, no. I'm not going to say the only because, you know, like, we didn't go to do that. Yeah, we're going to do that. But, you know, they go for music videos and they make these films and they bomb, right?

Like, they do bad. I'm talking about, like, cats who had $10 million, cats who got up to $80, $90 million back then, and the movie just flopped. Y'all, you know, y'all. We're going to. Yeah, there's a few of them, right? And so.

And so when you start, yeah, I mean, it's a reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They ain't do it how you did it, Eve. Nah, so I came in late, right? And when I'm saying, I came in late because I'm much older. Because a lot of these cats are younger. Because you had the Benny Booms, you had a couple of dudes.

Yeah, all these caps, yeah, the Hipes and all. Shout out the old. Because Hight, right? But we could say Belly was a classic, though, why Hight Wink. It's a classic, but. He never did another one after that, though. That was just, Belly was a classic. And it was shot in Queens, shot to Rockdale.

But the way Hollywood looks at things. It's shot up to hype, right? The way Hollywood looks at things. I don't respect that. If we spend this amount of money, we want to see the return and what do you want to see profit? It's a business. How much you think? How much you think they spent on? I don't know.

But just give me a figure what you would think. It wasn't that expensive. Back then, I don't know. I mean, that's back in shit. Because you could have to make a classic. Back then, Bud's was getting robbed also. So, you don't even know. I don't even know. I honestly can't even speak on that.

But that's the thing. It's a business. Right. So when you get a cat like me to come in and all they see is a k trillion, you know, 50 cents. videos and then I got videos, you know what really started making Hollywood, especially like the agencies calling me up, was when I got to a level where the video was a lot crisper and clean.

I started telling little stories into the video, like, without dialogue, I started adding little narrative pieces. So I think, like, I got signed to by agents once the Cardi B joint dropped, I like it like that. That shit got like 1.6 billion views right now, right? And so, because that was like clean story, whatever. But by then, I'm already, like, learning how to play with shit. Right.

You know what I mean? And so, but, you know, the challenge is you go there and you meet these people in Hollywood. And they on some, they'll bring it up. They'll be like, well, you come from music videos and we had this person, that person, this person, you know, do a movie and it flop. So what make you different, right? Like, how are you going to be different and make us money? So what I try to do is I try to not mention those names, and I go for names like there was this cat who used to do a lot of little Kim videos that you would think is hype. It wasn't hype.

It was his cat named Francis Lawrence. Oh, okay. Francis Lawrence went off. His first movie out the gate was Constantine. They didn't I am legend. Look at that. Then he did the mockingberg, the mocking J films, whatever that was. So you're like, I want to be that cat.

Like, I show you an example of somebody that did this. You have to. Not with the hype name. Right. And then you also got David Fincher. Thank you. Like a monster director, right? Monster.

David used to do videos. What videos he used to do? Madonna, a bunch of cats. Like, he used to do music video. That's crazy because I always thought it was just Jesse Terrible, the Terrible brothers, you, Benny Boom. And hype. You got hype.

I didn't even know there was other dudes. I got a little ex too, a little wax too. Yeah. But little wax, but little wax did the movie too, no? Yeah, he did, uh. Because he did one out videos. Superfly. A word?

I didn't even know it. When the dude had the perm, right? And he did, I think now he's doing a lot of TV stuff too. So shout out to him, but doing that because it ain't easy. Definitely. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, that's the thing. So with Paiwa with Fifth, like for two years, Lionsgate and Stars,

they just saw me as the dude next to Fifth all the time. Like, they couldn't figure it out. Right. And they would call me in for meetings. And I sit in a meeting, and they'd just be looking at me. I'd be looking at them. Wow. Like, so what do you do?

Like, we see you with Fifth. Because Fifth used to have me come into, they used to have meetings, the execs, and the actors, and they'd be like, come on. I'd be like, nah, I don't, I shouldn't be in there. Right. Right. I was like, that ain't, like, you know what I'm thinking? Like, I'm not even.

My fifth, weren't you in there soaking up the game? So he was there. So, Fiff was like, listen, you see anybody bringing anybody else in here? He was like, no, he was like, I'm the boss. You come through, because I want them to see. I want them to see when they see you, they see me. When they don't see me around, they still see me through you. That's crazy.

So he was like, I want you to get that power, right? Even to the point where he had me dealing with the CEO of Stars. Like, I'd be like, yo, yo, go chill with him. Go chill with them and go get your shit. If they're going to give you money, go get it. But it took a while to get there because, like, you know, like I said, they don't, like the first one was ghost, right? Power Ghost. and they was, man, they was like really trying to fuck with me.

You know what I mean? When I came on set, like the crew said to me, and they told me private the next day. But the first day I was there, they was all acting funny style. And then... Who was acting for the crew? The actors, you mean? Some of the producers, the crew, like, you know, the camera crew.

Okay, right, got you. Got you. So the word was, one day I needed... I was getting driven home, and somebody needed a ride who lived next to me. So I was like, yeah, come on. Like, you can hop in the van with me. and he starts telling me like,

yo, you know, this is how they pitch you to us. So he was like, there was like 50 cameramen's going to shoot the next episode. Oh. Oh. Right. So it was like 50's camera guy.

Like, like I was just, you know what the fuck? Just a regular camera guy. Yeah, like you never did anything else. So then when they saw like I knew everything because what I was doing was when they were shooting power, I would go to set and watch how they do it. Then I started taking acting class. So I could understand actors because I was like, yo, this is, they bugged out.

So I started doing that. And I started to do it. You asked you when it took acting classes? Yeah, yeah, but a couple of days. Like, nothing crazy. Okay, all right. Okay. Yeah.

So then, but that helped me when I was ready. Then I went in. And the crew saw it. It was like, yo, they portrayed you to be this and you not that. Like, you really know your shit. Because they felt you didn't have the resume yet. Now you have the resume. Everybody.

Everybody respects it. But that just go to show you, like, how they look at hip-hop. Yeah, you tell you, keep hustling, keep grinding. So, you know what I mean? I did that. And then after that was for life, right? Yeah, for life and FBI.

Even that, ABC's owned by Disney. That was big right there, man. That was a good move, man. Right, but check it. So ABC and Disney was like, hell no. It was like, what he done? He was at one episode of Ghosts. And it wasn't even out yet.

It was like, we got none. They're like, this thing is not Morris, Mercedes. Yeah, yeah. So who is that? Who is he? So they was like, no, they kept pushing back. The producers were like, nah, let him do it.

We believe in him. And then Fifth made a call, too. Like, yo, y'all telling us it's the number one show, if y'all letting us do our thing, let us do our thing, we're telling you this dude is ready. Like, he already did one. He knows what he's doing. I go off, I do that. And it's the only episode that got put in at the end of the season for an Emmy and best directing. It was the best episode.

Right. And from that point on, like, every time I do something, it gets put in for Emmys. You know what I mean? Like, they know, like, and the actors will tell you. They'd be like, nah, this dude, he know how to talk to actors, and he know how to work the camera. Like, how to be with the crew. People want to know, like, you know, a lot of people in the hood want to be actors now because of 50. Everybody run up to me.

Everybody got scripts. They want to know, like, what it takes to be a good actor, not just acting, but how do you portray yourself on set? like being on time and stuff like that not smoking on set or getting drunk or it's all regimen right like it's crazy because I show up the set like how does your day start I'm in turn like I will come to set and fifth will be there before me

like fifth is a different type of animal like I don't bro we don't start the seven fifth is there five five in the morning yeah we're in surprise yeah we got a show we did four five hours before the show starts so you look at that and you go man I got a

Like, I got to be, if you want it, you got to really, really, really, right? So the point is, in talking to, like, these younger cats that want to come in and want to act and all that, like, just keep doing it, man. Take acting classes, you know what I mean? Sharpen the skills. And if you ain't got money, just keep acting and do it with family and friends. Act it out. Like, you ever seen them videos, like the little African kids, when they be acting and shooting? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then they start dancing. Then they get busy. So if you start acting and just doing scenes, do small scenes, you know what I'm saying? Like somebody just gave me something the other day and it was like, they made a short. It was like 20 minute, whatever. Fibb and crazy. He was about to do the deal. Right.

I wanted that's the same thing. He sent that something related to New York with some, like, like, you got, what's going on kind of vibe right now? Yeah, it's X, YN or whatever. Yes, yes, the Yans, yeah, he actually sent that to me in Yale, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. It's dope. It's definitely dope, yep. But it's cast that took it upon themselves, right?

They shot it, they put their own, they put together they sell. They put it on bread for it, right? Nothing crazy to put it on bread. And they went and they did it, man. So it's like, and there's so many outlets, right? So, like, if you, if you really want to do it, man, put your shit on YouTube, put it on Vimeo, whatever, all these little sites. Like, for example, Vimeo, even YouTube, you get subscriber base. Right.

Just put it out there, be like, yo, just subscribe. It's 99 cents or whatever. Now you're making money off of it, too, right? Or you could do the other way where it's like if people believe in you, you do the whatever that thing is called, like a crowd, crowd participation kind of? Yeah, like, right. So you can put up money for that. Man, you got to tell these white ends, if you come on set, don't drink, don't smoke.

Just because you're playing a gangster part. Right, right. actors who play gangsters, but then when they turn off the cameras, they're super nerds. Look at that. They're regular. And I think you get the dudes who are

nerds that become actors and all of a sudden now they think they're that. Yeah, because you got to understand when you're outside they, you know, they're going to fuck with our... They're going to see you as that. Give us one of the wildest moments you've seen, like, behind scenes. On a video?

video or movie because I'm at my video suit one time you saw with me in future you was actually about the you was about

to poppy suit one of these wires I forgot it was it was actually a popular artist too

Eve didn't know who they was and I guess they wasn't really familiar with who Eiff was and there was about to get left

yeah they got mad so I said yeah we're so with this dancing they could shit like that yeah yeah yeah

it was popular but I didn't know because you know sometimes you see that's thing. Sometimes you kind of, you black out because all you see, like you get tunnel vision, right? And you just dare to work. So like the first time I did power, I came on a block.

We was outside. Yo, when I tell you, I was in a van driving down, I seen block after block with all the trucks, like all the equipment. And I got to set. And it's like 200 people looking at you and the actors are staring at you. Right. What we're doing? The producer, look at you, what are we doing? I swear to God, that first moment, I shit myself. I was like, yo, this is crazy. So you was nervous? Super nervous, right?

And then what I think God had seen was inside the car. So I was like, yo, guys, just getting the car. But I was really sheltering myself. And then I spoke to them just to get it out of my system. And then once I did that, then it was a go after that. It was, you know what I mean? But I think, but I think, you know. That's a real story right there.

Yeah, no, it's crazy. You know, man, we talk about the movie. I tell another story with that. But, you know, for these young cats, man, you know. And the wildest shit is like, the shit that suck is when you get the opportunity and you fuck it up. And you fuck it up. Yeah, you drop the ball. That's the biggest thing, right?

Because us, as black and brown people, we don't get a lot of opportunities. Of course. You know what I mean? And you got... Especially in Hollywood. Because Hollywood, you got a brother like fifth, you know what I mean? Like, I've gotten those things where it's like, yo, do you sure you don't want to do these type of shows? and I'm like, I'm cool over here

because I'm building with my people. Of course. So I don't need to go do those other shows that, like, just for the awards, I don't... I'm good. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So, but again, it's like,

if you get that opportunity, man, don't fuck it up by taking your money and you're going to be sleeping with a thousand strippers and getting high. Right. And whatever coming to set drunk and smoking and all that. Like, you just, come on. man nobody want that

you get it work you know what I mean do your 10 hours or whatever nine hours work do your thing go do that shit afterwards right I mean but you gotta be on point man like it shit is so hard

you know what I wanted to ask you how you think directing change from like 2005 to 2025 like now how you think it changed when you say change like better shit nigga what are you talking no no when you're saying like like what we've seen now

versus like I mean, I think it's changing because there's more of us getting involved, right? When I say us, you know, again, black and brown people. Right. You know, we really take in a series and really trying to learn the crab. Ryan Cooghler and all these other cats, right? Like, man, you see them. And that inspires you, right?

You're like, yo. Yeah, what's my man that did sinners? They, like. Ryan Cooghler. Yeah. What else he did? Because they said he did. He did a creed.

He did Blackhead. One or two. Oh, that's crazy. He did Fruitville Station with his first joint. He worked with Michael B. Join the lot. I guess they kind of do everything together. Yeah, I've seen him crying. I've seen him crying when Cicinters did real good first week.

A lot of millions. And I've seen he was like tearing up. Like, oh, it's a second. Nah, because what it is, I mean, the deal he worked on with that movie where, because remember he did Black Panther Creed and all that. So he made, he made them billions. Now he's doing sinners. He owns it.

After 25 years, his deal, he owns the movie. So now that's a legacy That's for his kids Look at that He owns all of the movies Huh He owns black people He owns sinners after

No he don't own black pants He don't know black pants Oh yeah yeah Now I was just confused So now he owns It's like a record deal So now he own it So after 25 years

And in his deal I think he'd get like First dollar Once they make their gross Whatever their budget was Boom He gets the first dollar That's dope

Shout out to him Which ain't normal You know what I mean So But that's what I'm saying You do shit like that, that's power. Right.

So now you start like, okay, how do I, that helps me. Right. Help the next guy. So you feel like that that's what drives your creativity? Because that's what I was going to ask. Murder's trying to ask all the fucking questions. For me, no, no, no, no, no. What drives your creativity?

No, I think, listen, man, I think for me, the creativity is I went to art school, right? I went to art design. And like I said, I was always graffiti and shit like that, comic books and all that. And so I could draw, like, I could draw like a motherfucker. Like I could, you know what I did the air pun logo for pun back then. I used to do a bunch of logos. You did that logo for pun? I did that pun.

First and piece to pun. I did the snowman for Gizi. Like, back then, I was doing a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I didn't know that. You did the snowman for Gizzy? Yeah. That's crazy.

Look at it. Like, yeah. And I did a bunch of other ones. Like, if you, if you, GZ mentioned in his book when I made the snowman, Joe mentioned, like, yeah, like, that's what I was doing back there. album covers, logos, the cats. That's crazy. Okay, look at that. So I was always into the...

So you made the snowman. Yeah, it was cheesy. And it's true. It just said it's a cheesy book, bro. No, I'm just saying... It was a Shonda, death jam. Who made this happen? Me.

Yeah, yeah. Shelter JCP and Malkis, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, shout the team out. Yeah, shout the team out, man. Not you. Yeah, I mean, but the creativity, man, I think it just comes from, like,

just being out, seeing everything, living life. Well, talk about that. You got something that you working on, that, that Castro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We just finished that. We're about to, oh, it's finished. Yeah, it's about 98% done. Like, it's just a lot of the VFX and shit.

You know, DJ Callag got something to do with that. I've seen them posted on the ground. Yeah, yeah. You ain't know that? Right, I didn't know that. Look, everything to. Why do you want to bring that up? No, because I was talking them the other day, and I'm like,

I could never be mad at it. Cala because his loyalty was to Joe and my loyalty was to 50 at the same time. You know what I'm saying? So even if we still- You and Calla gonna have to sit down and talk about you. Like not. Even if we don't talk because, you know, it's cool.

It's Joe, everything is cool as peace. Nobody got hurt. No bullets fly. Nothing happened. So that's the best part of it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just little old war stories that, you know.

Eve, I think you need to make that happen. No, Cali. Listen, man. Calla. Callagher and Yale. Yeah, you're going to make that happen. Cal is my brother, man. Like, you know, so.

So he did play a part with the cast job? So I started this movie, right? Before I got it, it was the Romulus Entertainment. Before I got it was another director attached. Wasn't the right person, right? Like, it was just, it wasn't working out. So I came in and I cast, you know, like the movie, like, within two weeks. Like, we already had all the actors, you know what I mean?

And one of them being Al Pacino. Right. So. Wow. Not everybody could get Al Pacino for the record. Not the first time. Yeah, then you go. Just for the record.

I just saw interview with, I think it was Scorsese. Somebody said it took him years, him and Al years to finally do something together. And I was like, damn, I did it. You know? And it was just time. It was just crazy. You know what I mean? But yeah, so like we wrote this part, you know, the writer Tommy and a couple of the cats.

And, you know, we kind of tweaked it to be out, like how Al would do it. And so we sent it to his agents and he was interested. right? So he was like, yo, this is the first time I'm saying to like tell you. Yes, man. Appreciate having you. But, yo, so he read it and he wanted to meet with me, right? So like a half hour. You know, let me meet him and see what he's about. So, nigga, I'm shitting for like a week straight.

Nervous. But to meet Appetino. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm sure. You know, I'm glad when you say you're nervous because it's like, you know, that's the humbling part about it. It's like how you said you were scared on your first shoot, mad people outside. It's just way different than a fucking video. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, it was, I mean, you know, the funny thing is when you meet these different artists, even back then, like, but fifth, you know, I was nervous.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, the big dogs, you know what I mean? Like, but with him, you know what I mean? Like, this is life changing. So I went to the restaurant where he wanted to meet. And I get there like a half hour early because I'm like, let me just chill out. I drank like, you know, 40 cups of coffee by now. I was. No.

Sure. And I go to sit down And I put my bag down No first I go in I'm like Like who you hear Like reservations I was like Alfred Pacino

Like literally under his name Wow So I go in the back And I put my bag down And shit And all of a sudden I hear There he is And I turn around

It's fucking out Right behind me Oh shit Like he's right there Like he's coming in I'm like Oh shit Like nah

It's different Come on bro You know We'd be starstruck Yeah Like I was like Yo But you know

You gotta be Cool. So he sat down, and I remember I'm texting a producer under the table, like, where you at? Because, you know, I need a backup. I was like, I'm here, Dolo with this cat. Where you at? He's trying to get there, but we're talking, and, you know, it was crazy because he started naming all the directors he ever worked with. Like, he was throwing it in my face.

He's like, yo, so you heard of Martin Scorsese? You heard of, you know, Michael Mann. He just kept name driving. He's big. You're like, of course I heard of him. And I'm like, yeah, but I know what he was doing. And so he started telling me stories. He started off with Serpico.

So he's like, you know, when I did Serpico, you know, back then, you know, he was saucy, whatever he was doing. And see, you know, he woke up and he had a joint next to him. And he was like, I know I didn't because she was still dressed or whatever, right? And then his phone was ringing And he had to go to Premiere He's like, yo, so it was crazy I got to go to this premiere And I'm like, I'm still saucy

And while he's telling him, he's like, yeah, I'm saucy This and that And then so scene 49 When I'm walking down the hallway Could you explain that to me? I said, oh shit He's doing the vet Actors shit like actors do that

Like they'd be mad cool with you Joking and all that And then of a sudden That's crazy No, Fifth that done that shit to me. Like, Fifth would be like, yo, we'd be talking the night before, like, what we're doing? The next morning, he's dead serious. They go, what we're doing?

Why the fuck we doing that? Like, and I'd be like, yo, my man, what's going on here? Right, right. But it's a different, you know, we're working now. Definitely. And so. I'm not your man no more. Yeah, my man, that is work.

Yeah, my man, that is work. So he went into, like, the scene. I was like, oh, shit. But I knew the script inside out. So I was like, yeah, this is what happens. Boom, boom. Then he started talking about Scarface. Yo, you know, when I did Scarface, you know, they killed me for that.

Like the critics, like, I have people calling me. That's my favorite. I watched that over a thousand times. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. So look, he says it almost destroyed his career. They killed him for that. I mean, who his peers and things of that nature?

People. Okay. Hollywood. There was like, what you're doing? he leaned in and he grabbed my forearm right put you on form like this to me grab my arm he said now the first time y'all hearing this first time I'm saying it publicly yeah he said you know who saved my life I said who the rappers the rappers saved my life wow wow wow wow rappers

yo and I looked down him like there like wow look at that so I think a piece of that? I was like, he had to see my work. He knew I'll come from videos. I could only imagine his people with agency, whatever. You're talking about the Academy Award winner. Yo, don't... Don't post his place to this come out.

Like, who? Like, who? No, we know. I don't think you need to be working with him, Al. But because of his experiences... I swear, that. And rap, God... I think he said, nah, no, no. I got to get back. I'm going to do this. I'm going to give him a shot. I'm going to give him a shot. And bro, he said that. And I was like, oh,

shit, right? And then we just kept talking about the movie and shit like that. I always had a vision. I was telling the producer Brad, I was like, yo, when Al come on set, we got a scene outside is what we're doing during the summertime. Right. It's going to be hot. So for whatever reason, like, because I'm sort of spiritual, for whatever reason, I say,

yo, I'm going to get them beach chairs, like that Jay-Z photo when he's in the projects on a beach chair. I somebody get two of those chairs and I'm gonna sit down with Al and eat ice cream. I don't know why I was thinking about that. Right. Ice cream.

It was like, yo, you're crazy. Like, what the fuck is wrong? Right? Yo, we're sitting down at the restaurant after we talk about work. He said, you're hungry? Let's get some fries.

They always said he's ordered manned food that we're eating. I ain't even realized. You know how when you go to catch or whatever and they bring you to a plate of ice cream that everybody just took their spoons. Bro, that's what we was doing. So was the end.

We eating ice cream. I didn't realize. You've said my vision came to life. Yo, I know. You know, the producer, we go outside. We walk out to his car. And he's like, congratulations. You had your ice cream with Al.

Yeah, Al Pacino. Listen, you got Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, bro. Them two right there. It's just classic shit for everybody. Scarface. I agree. Carlito's Way. He.

The list. goes on and on. So just to be sitting in with Al Pacino, bro. Yo. That's, come on, bro. Now, listen, he's from the BX. So we hit it off crazy. We tell him, man.

Oh, he's from the Bronx. I never knew that. I never knew that. He wished he was from Brooklyn, though. Queens versus Brooklyn. But he's from a BX. So we talked a lot about that. And he would say to me like,

yo, I'm doing this book. Like, you and me should just go drive around the Bronx so I can reminisce. And I'm like, yo, whenever you're ready. Oh, shit. Like, we click to the point that. That's dope. He'd be like, yo, if I'm not shooting, can I come to set just to hang out?

I was like, yeah. So I had him for like 10 days or something like that, and we were prepping the office. He's a funny dude. And he would look at him and be like, yo, you know, you know, bad bunny? And I was like, yeah, so man, I worked at him. He said, oh, he's dope. What about the weekend? You know, weekend?

Yo, he was like intrigued. Really into that, right? I think the first thing I would ask Al Pacino was like, how the fuck do you just act like that. Like Scarface when he was a caveat real nice. Like how fuck?

Yeah, yeah. Come on, bro. That was like classic shit. Yo. Like, you know I were asking first of all about Scarface because that's my hands down.

But look, I shot him out. When I wrapped him out because I think he was 82, 83, just had a baby. He just had a baby. I was just about said that.

Shut out that opportunity. So he had that baby. Congratulations, man. He still had that baby. Congratulations. He had a lot going on, right? And he came to work every day, man.

I think people are going to really bug out when they see his performance. He killed it. And we had this thing, man. Like, we had a language. So, like, he was doing one scene, and we were always talking about stickball. So in the BX played stickball. So every Bronx, every neighborhood in New York has two sewers. So when you're playing the one end of the sewer and you hit it to the next block, then you hit the third and fourth sewer.

So he'd be like, you ever hit three sewers? I was like, yeah, sometimes the ball would go on the roof, right? That's crazy. So when we was doing the scene, I was like, I would yell across the room. And he was doing a scene like heat when he was against Robert De Niro was sitting out at the table. And I yelled. I said, Al, give me three sewers.

And he'd be like, three sewers coming up, baby. Like, no, he was on point. So the last time, like the last year I had him, we wrapped him out. we rap I got home like at midnight just so y'all clear we're talking about my guy east vera's movie casestro killing calpino star in alpino

so go ahead heaps we um I got home at midnight after I wrapped them out yo and I just sat on my workout bench and I cried for two hours God bless you man two hours be because I'm gonna tell you why

you're blessed man I'm gonna tell you why thank you I'm going to tell you why, though, what I was saying before about Hollywood. Now the meetings are different. You understand? For sure. Now when I sit there, they can't look at me, be like, who you work with? Yeah, yeah. Can you handle this action?

Can you handle it out? Yeah, it's a little different now. So you sit there and it's the confidence. Because now you go, look, y'all only got two. Robert De Niro and Alperchino, the living legend. I mean, you got a few others, but that's still active, right? But, you know, it's still active. We can say Arnold Schwarzeneggan, a whole bunch of other names.

Yeah, right. So that's still active. So now you sit there and you go, you got through one at me, right? The universe threw one at me, dealt with it. He loves me. Hit him up. Hit up his whole team.

They're going to tell you. Mm-hmm. Right. What are you going to tell me now? Now what? You know what I'm saying? But it's always a challenge. It's always something new.

You know what I mean? Even like for you to get the next thing that, well, we got to see what you did. Right. Resumay. It don't, it don't is, you know, it's hard. You did that, man. That's dope.

How did you win a film is a tricky business, man? What would you tell the next young director coming out of New York? What advice would you have for them? Learn as much as you can. It's okay to look at everybody else's work and try to copy it and try to figure out how they did it. You know what I mean? So, like, you could learn how the camera work. Look at the anchor.

look at the lighting and all that, right? But also, like, just keep shooting, bro. Like, keep shooting. And even if you want to get into TV or something like that or commercials, right? Or even music videos. Like, I told people all the time, if you want to get into commercials,

do a Pepsi commercial. How? I don't have no agent. I have nothing. Yeah, how do you do that? You go get a Pepsi bottle. You go write a scene out, and you shoot it.

Wow. And it's a spec. That's what you call a spec commercial. So now you shot it, And they're like, oh, you did this? This never aired. Like, nah, but it's a spec. And how much is my check for that,

for the commercial you think of me? I'm just thinking, man. Don't be surprised. I see, yeah, yeah, you're shooting the Pepsi commercial. It all depends, right? It's like, now you get picked up by an agency or whatever and any Pepsi really want you to do it. I think that the, the going rate for a director to do a commercial

is usually like $25,000 a day. Oh, shit. Yeah. So, like. ready? You know what I'm saying? Right. But you know what I'm saying?

It's the same thing. You go shoot a short. Go shoot the homies. Go shoot a scene like somebody got cancer, AIDS or whatever. Shoot that and show the emotions and that. Right.

You know what happens? Just make it up. Whatever. Just write it. Make it up. Real life shit. Yeah. Yeah.

And then just send it out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're not just standing around with a camera. I ain't gonna do nothing. Like waiting for work. No, that's a good idea.

I never knew that was that easy to just... Yeah, you do a spec. It's a spec. It's a spec. It's a special. It's a special people. Get your money up. You know what I'm saying? But for me, I started like with the camera,

like I said, shooting cats. And I loved it, man. I just kept going and kept going and kept going and kept going. Until, you know what I mean? I think the first, my first video, going back to Fifth was when he did the Alicia Keys and Drejoin, and he said to me,

I'm going to tell you right now, he kept it real, I'm going to tell you right now, you ain't going to get this. They don't know you. Interscope don't know you. They're not going to give you the money. But I'm going to give you these records off my album.

You're going to do these for real. And I was like, oh, shit. And that was my gateway. Look at that. Through 5th, I got into Interscope. And then we started doing videos back then. That's crazy because 50 don't like too many people. Yeah.

But look. You were good. One week, in one week, in one week. So everybody started calling like, yo, who the fuck is Eve and Vera? Mm-hmm. In one week, I dropped two videos. And when I say everybody, I mean like video commissioners and video reps, they was like, who the fuck is this?

I dropped two videos in one week. It was 50 and Kendrick. And Kendra be young, too. I remember that. I remember that. It was the Wii up. Yeah, we up. And then I dropped French Montana and Nikki Minaj Freaks.

Oh, okay. So when I dropped those two, it was just like, poof. Name some more, man. Name some more. We want to know some more videos you did. Now you're big, you big time movies. I don't know.

You know what the thing is? I don't follow up. Like, I don't, I don't like look at the hits and all that. Like, you know, I did one,

right? I did a couple. Of course, man. Yeah, we did one. Right. Yeah. I did one of May,

Future. Me, you 50 and Casanova. Yeah. With Future, I did. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did videos with Eifier. All right. Calm. Calm down. I'm just letting you know.

I'm just letting you know. We did some G-Unit videos. I'm trying to remember. You did so many. He tried to remember. I know he tried to remember. You know, G-unit, we did so many videos, man. But, you know, I mean, I worked with, you know, with Drake, like I said, Kendraig.

What Drake, what Drake video you did? Him in the Future. We did, um, the Mexican joint. Which one? I think used to it or something like that? It's one of those, yeah. One of those, five is old. And then what you did with Kendrick?

The Hem in 50. Oh, yeah. Okay. Then, Nick Minaj. I just did a bunch of her. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I became one of her, like, she was regular.

Like, and how I got into Latin. Southside, nigga. No, that's because Queens. You know it's Queens versus Brooklyn. But I turned it because of Nikki. I got into the Latin market. Oh, okay. So that's when I met Bad Money.

So it was a record called Crippy Coach. Why you said because of her? Why you say that? Because it was a Latin record. It was Faruco, Bad Bunny. And I forgot who else. And then they put Nikki as a feature. And they put Travis, too, as a feature.

Oh, shit. So Nikki was like, I don't know, none of their directors, it got to be Eiff. Look at that. And they brought me in, and I did that. And then from there, then I started working with Bad Bunny. We did a couple. A fire in. Yeah, and a couple of Jay Balvin and shit like that.

We started working. So. Damn, you blessed, man. You're a real blessed man. I think, man, I appreciate that. But I think really it's more like. Put the work in, man. Yeah.

Put the work in. Look. to the new directors out there that want to do videos or whatever, like bro, you can't be scared, man. Right. You can't be scared to talk to the artist. Like, that's the whole thing.

Like, find that one artist that want to rock out with you, right? Rock out with him with me and Fiff, for example. But I was never scared of Fiff. Like, to the point I'd be like, yo, because you know, Fitz, he's like a robot. Yeah, he's intimidated. He'll sit there. You know, you're scared to have a conversation with him

and more explains you. I think this should go like this or something like that. One director who was like, yo, I'm hungry. So I left him there and he would call me. I'm like, nigga, go tell Fifth you're hungry. Go get something to eat. Oh, so he said he's hungry. You told him.

I told him to go eat and he never came back. He's scared. No, he never came back. Oh, wow. Why he just said with some Mickey D's or something like? Bro, he never came back. That's how Tim Denny Fifth was. And Fifth was like, yo, never bring that cat around me again.

And that kid fucked the shit up. He could be doing power right now. Look at that. He was scared. But that's my point. Yeah, but you bugging out. You could have just went to get us to me. No.

Yeah. You couldn't wait got a Big Macs and McDonald's. I won't be Kanye. I won't be Nyes. Like everybody like, they, I think they were. What you did with Nause? Because you know I'm Queens all big. I did a couple of joints with Nause.

But I remember the one we did that was, I think before his time was French Kanye Naz, the one they jumping over big ass jumbo Jets. Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that. I remember that. So I remember. That's on fire in there, dirt bikes flying off. Yeah, the dirt bikes are.

Yeah, so he was like, you know, I'm tired of everybody taking these videos with just regular jet, sitting on the wing of a jet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. He's like, let's get the biggest plane we can get. So we went to the Mojave Desert and we went to the airplane graveyard. And we was just, that shit was a sick video. French, that was, I think that was on French album. Yeah, I got a, I got a video back then of Kanye. He told me, yo, this is the best, best time I ever had on set.

But I think it's because, like, I said before, man, like, you can't, you got to, like, be there until the artist. It's like, that's the whole thing about directing. You've got to be able to take charge. Because sometimes the artists don't know what they want. You know what I mean? Like, they don't know. I was working with this artist, high profile, going to some shit right now, where he kept asking me, how does it look?

My first time worked with him. I was like, you look good. He would run down, look at the monitor, go back up, do his shit, come back down. Like, it was getting annoying. So the third time he came down. I put my hand on his shoulder. I said, yo, you good, bro. And he looked at my hand, looked at me.

We was good after that. Everything was like, yo, whatever Eve wanted to do. Because I know videos could, shooting the videos, like, gets annoying sometimes. You know, you got people in your way. You got women everywhere. Yeah, I mean, look, man, it's a lot of work. People think it's a game. It's a lot of work.

The thing is, like, the artists want to come. be in and be out. Yeah. So you got to make sure this shit is ready. Right? Because you don't waste no time. That's the first thing.

So say if all this come late, how the fuck you feel? You got to already be shooting other shit. Definitely. Oh, okay. Shoot the B-roll, shoot the models,

shoot the cars, whatever it is. Start shooting. You know what I mean? So when they get ahead, then you move over, shoot them out, get them out,

and then keep shooting. You know what I mean? Like, and then I always tell, for the new cats, I always say this. Like, an artist is always going to want one thing. Right. Yo, I need to be on a boat for this scene.

Whatever it is. Yo, I need to be sitting on a flamingo. It's a dumb shit. Right, right, right, right. Yo, get the fucking flamingo. Because you could get him that, and then you got them. After that, they're happy. Nah, this one fuck got me to flamingo.

I need him for the next one I do you. I need an elephant on this one. I want a flamingo. I want an elephant. Yeah. And you have that shit. Yeah, the motherfuckers gonna fuck with you. Look, tell the crazy shit, Mary J. Blige, we know a lot of the same people, right?

Angie, Joe. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And so I never worked with her. And I've been in parties with her and all that, say what's up and never really spoke. We go to shoot ghosts. And I said to, yo, it's crazy. Me and you never worked on a video. And she said to me, wow.

She said to me, that's because you were meant to do bigger things with me here. Wow. I was like, wow. Shout to Mary J. Blige on that way. And then after since that, we done shot like four videos, four or five videos. After that, y'all don't show videos. That's right. But it's like, again, it's like artists want to be in and out.

You tell them what you're going to do. You show them what you're going to do. They get there. They expect it. And they're gone. And then I edit all my own shit. So I already know what I need. Same thing with TV.

I know what I'm shooting. I know what I want. But that's shit smart because another director will probably be beefing. Like, why the fuck the artists ain't here? What? I don't work like this, and you said you're shooting never shit already. Then it ain't for you. Let me ask you one thing.

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Murder your Russian shit. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. It's Queens Rush Brooklyn. It's our quick fire segment. And he want to know who's the top three rappers you consider you work with. But he worked with so many.

So that's a political industry. I'm asking him to question. I want to hear. I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to tell you this. Like, I never had beef with no rappers. Okay. Meaning like I've never been on set to a point where it's just so out of control.

You're like, man, fuck this person. I'll never want to work this person again. Right. So I don't have none of those experiences, man. I think everybody was for me fun in their own. Look, besides fifth, let's keep fifth out of it. The top three, your top three favorite to work with. He worked with so many.

I don't know. And sometimes you get good vibes with people. So I just want to know like the vibes. Yeah, what's crazy is. I mean, Future was one of them. Okay. Right. Future was, you know, because he come with creative shit. Right.

Man, who else? I used to love working with Nikki, too. People used to be scared of death. Okay, look up there. Yeah, everybody's scared of Nikki. Yeah, she moved with an eye and fist. We've been around a couple of her events. You know, listen, everybody you worked with, he worked with is a big name.

I'm going to ask you a director question. Camera-wise, lens-wise. Sony versus Canning Which one do you pick? Man, there's so many different lenses, though. Like, it's hard to say because it all depends. But what camera would you use to Sony? Okay, so, like, I used...

He's trying to break it down. You understand sometimes it'd be the lenses. Shut the fuck up, murder. It'd be the lenses, bro. But look, for TV and film, the Alexa, like the Venice. That's what everybody's using, right? Sometimes they use the Sony and other stuff, but I feel like for me, the Venice is...

What's the thing? To Venice? To Venice? What is... Sony? No. What's the Venice? Sony. Yeah, Sony Vens.

Oh. But the lenses, it all... It all depends on what you want to see, right? So, like, what I mean by that is the look. So when I did the movie, we did lens test. So we got a whole bunch of different lenses coming in and look for the right look. Oh, shit. The texture of the film.

Because every glass is different. You know, those shit is more expensive than the camera. No, I know. I know the lens are. I know that. Like, if you're going to get anything, let me just, God, let me just, God, get bansom.

You're going to come out of a Yale budget. If you're going to get the lenses before anything. You got a dope lens package. You do any camera, you know what? So you do lens testing? What's the process with that? How long does that take you? Nice quick.

You come in and, like, for example, if I have the camera here, we're going to swap out a bunch of different lenses and see what the room look like. Before, and then you know that's what you're going to get, and that's what you're going to shoot the movie with. And then... Our cameras is a camera.

good, right? Yeah. All right, cool. Come on. I'm just going to make you look. I'm just making sure. I'm going to be looking. Me, J.P.

All right, Marcus. Color skin. Every chance. All right. He didn't even know what's going on today. This motherfucker is always late. I'll pay him no mind.

So we're still on the quick fire segment. Jayze or Nause? No, that's always a question. Just go with Queens. Just go with Queens. You're new for the Bronx. You could just answer it and be just true to yourself.

Jayze or Naz? You know, what I put into that is also relationship. I know them both. Mind is your personal relationship with them. Just as a fan. He's from the Bronx, so this is a difficult question. He's not from Brooklyn. It's okay.

Man, it's so hard, right? Every time I think about Nause, I think of, like, Ether and everything. Nause, man, I'm gonna go with Nause. I love Jay, but... Queens. Nause, Nause. I feel like Nause is like... I mean, they both, man. But, like, Nause is like a secret

weapon like that dude just sit if he like lock in he's gonna come they wasn't inviting you to the rock nation brothers anyway right ee? I wasn't invited cop you hers you all right cool so now somebody said to me somebody said to me well I didn't think you know you that type of person

would want to come out to that and I was like thanks Lenny yes all right cool let me ask you a question on a quick fire your segment it's a long it's been a long day on set you've been working with all these actors and you know you know you want to wind down You're going to do dark liquor or white liquor? Like some wine?

Like, what are you? Cigar. Carl Yack or tequila? I usually, nah, I don't drink too after I rap. Mm-hmm. Because this is what I mean. Yeah, that's what I mean. After, after.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a, somebody's trying to put me on to tequila because I'm a vodka dude. Okay. You know what I drink vodka, but they try to put me to school me to tequila, man, had a bad experience of tequila, so that's why I kind of stay away from it. Nah, that shit fucked me. I mixed them.

Yeah, you can't mix with this man I was like, nah, you got to try this And then I was tripping man I was tripping man I was tripping And it fucked me up I had one of those dream collab That you never worked with Like your dream collab

Meaning what Music videos Yeah somebody was dead alive Mike Jackson Prince Whatever it was TV or an actor Somebody you thought about working with that You just didn't work with

Richard Pryor somebody You know what I think of the era Right Like, I would love to work with somebody like Michael back then or like, I think of like Christopher Walkin and King of New York. Right. Like, he's mad over right now. Got you.

But like in that era, right? Or even like Denzel, like, come on, Denzel. We need you. You know, we need you to name at least five of your favorite movies from all times. Because you know, I watch a lot of movies. Like, I told people they didn't even know there was a Superman 3. And Richard Pryor was in that. And that was like his breakaway movie.

Right. I'm saying because Superman was like the biggest thing in the 80s. Now, you know, there's some movies that I watch over and over, man. Me too. Like Uncle Buck is another one for me. You know, but I watch a lot of sci-fi too. Like, I'm into sci-fi. Sci-fi.

I meant to aliens and all that shit. Yeah, me too. Come on. You talk about movies like Scarfries. No, no, I'm a name my movies. Like, for example, what are my favorite movies is? You asked him his choices, man. One of my movies.

He says fucking sci-fi. It don't matter. There's his, no. His preference. One of them is, for example, a rival. You might think it's boring. What the fuck is that? About aliens.

About some aliens arriving on the earth, yeah. Yeah, that's quick. But you got that. You got training day, right? Training Day, right? Training Day, okay. Yeah, sound like that. King of New York.

I love King of New York. You know what I'm saying? Heat, another one. Of course. There we go. Okay. Right? Yeah, one of the, I mean,

favorite best performances was Malcolm X, Denzel was fucking Oh, yeah, that was a classic. Spike Lee. Spike Lee. Yeah. What else? Spike Lee's doing another one with Dan Jones. Man, you know, it's another movie I love

I could watch over and over and over because I just think about what if that shit really happened is the Brad Pitt joint, World War Z. Oh, yeah, that was a cool. Zombies just run everywhere. Like, she was bananas. I thought she was going to say, Mr. Smith.

Oh, you know, I liked that. Yeah. Yeah, the gangster movies, someone up front of you know? Yeah, the games of movies is dope. Like, you know, the sugar hills and all that, Like back then, right? Like, it's, I mean, I kind of wish, and this I try to tell Fivla. But there's a classic.

Yeah, the classic, but I just kind of wish we could still do some of those, right? New Jack City, you know. I mean, you got the power. You can recreate some of these days. Yeah, but just that ever, right? Like clockers. Yeah, Clockers was about, come on, New Jersey Drive. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, the clockers was my joint. Like, you know, just telling our stories. You know what I'm saying? Like, you could do the fantasy shit or whatever. Of course. How about telling those stories? Like, because that was, I guess for us, like, that was our era. You know what I mean?

I don't know. I don't know what it's like. But do you watch the old movies, like the Mac and, like, you know, it was a classic for me. That's old, like, 70s movie was a bad boy with Sean Penn when he beat the dude with the soda bottles back of the soda cans. Was that in the Bronx, too? was in Chicago. That's what that was it. Yeah, but like, you know, I go back and watch the old shit.

The Mac. I know you watch the Mac. Yeah, I can't remember, but yeah. Goldie! Come on, right. You remember that? You know, coming to America. Did?

You like Uncle Buck, though? Uncle Buck is a classic for me. John Candy? I don't remember Uncle Buck. Because you don't know about movies. You don't know about him. That's a classic. I took them out.

We don't know Uncle Buck over here, bro. So you ain't remember Rodney, Dangerfield back in the days? Uncle Buck, man. John Candy, you don't know. Yeah. Oh, that's what it is, Uncle Buck. John Candy.

Come on, bro. He was funny. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you know, I just, for me, I just want to make shit that is, is, is, is, um, that we could relate to as a people. You know, it's funny, man. You see these movies, these war movies and shit like that, but you don't never see it from our perspective. You know what I mean? And that's my thing.

I'm like, I want to do this. So I want to do this. And why can't I have, every time we see like a military movie or whatever is in special ops and a bunch of white dudes running there? You know what I'm saying? You know what 50's appreciated because I always say, I say, I never knew what about stars. Yeah. Not to sound cocky or nothing, but I never knew about stars until 50 started doing everything

over there. Yeah. So, I mean, the reaction you all got from power. Power was, what, eight years, seven-year runs? I think 10 years by now. 10 years. Got Raising Canaan out right now. I'm killing it.

Yeah, no, it's going to keep going. And it's crazy, man. It's up there to me. Like, it's up there with, like, classes like the YS, Supreme Nose. 100%. But that's the thing, right? Like, the reason why that works so well, because you got a guy like 50 who are going to tell you,

now, like, I figured there was a scene with somebody drinking syrup. They had to cough medicine and a cup and all that. in the Sprite. Yeah. And Fifth was the one that told him that's how you do it. Right?

And then like I was, we was doing, we did BMF. They were trying to figure out how to, how to cook Coke. And I was like, come on,

like, we'll show you y'all, you know what I mean? Like, the water in the pot. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

A little bigger soda. I think that's the thing. A lot of these TV shows that they go off and they try to do these, like, gangster or try to tell our stuff, when you see,

see the people that's really behind it, you're like... Yeah, you don't know our story like that to tell it. Yeah, like... Tommy Denzel said it. He was like... He was here to interview. He was talking about, like, somebody asked him, like, would you have made a movie like Shindler's this versus...

I forget the movie he was talking about, but he was like, you know, as a black director, whatever, he goes, you know, we know what a hot cone was more like. Like, you know, and I say to say that, like, you're going to do something Latin? Like, you understand, like... How the rice and beans, how the mom's going to be cooking it. How, you know what, all that stuff. Like, you gotta understand what that is.

So you gotta hire the right people. Sometimes they just, you don't have the authenticity. Like, you don't have authentic people. They just, they slap shit together. And then you're like, oh, yeah, they're gonna go out. You know how many scripts that I got that I'm like, Yeah. This ain't that.

No, I understand. Because you ever seen a documentary, I think it's called first one on the cast call, Genzel Washington, a lot of actors. I've been dying to see that. Yeah, it's great. I watched it. Yeah. And it had like black, making good, black actors,

and black actors, Denzel. What's that cool, yeah? First one on the cast. Yeah, number one on the cast. Yeah, number one on the cast. Yeah, no, course, something like that. And it was talking about like Jamie Fox's first time, you know, you know, with DJ Ango and certain movies,

they're the first one. That's when you're the priority. Like, I'm the priority here, you're not? Fuck out of it. Like, you look at Patina Miller, she's the priority, right? Like, it's McCoy-Bin-Las, you know, Patina Miller. or, you know, going back to Ghost, it's Tariq.

Right. He's the number one. Like, he's, it's really whose perspective are you watching this movie or this show through? Okay. That's the number one of the show. Got you. You know what I'm saying? And, but it takes, I mean, it takes a lot to be that number one.

That's what that show was about. Yeah, so we're watching that show. And the women on the show was saying, like, sometimes when Vivica was talking about how she was on Independence Day. And she didn't like the way her hair look Because she looked crazy picture her hair But when she's on set of maybe some Tala Perry's doing something That you know Black people was directing

That they got the right people doing their hair And they makeup Right got you. These people might not do your hair and make up the way these people do Right. So it was an interesting documentary man Right It's about the people

Behind the camera behind the scenes hair, makeup, wardrobe Like you got to have the right people Understand that You know what I mean? How to comb the hair how to get it straight you know all that stuff makeup you know

same thing with lighting and everything else it's a certain way you got to light a dark person right brown skin whatever you got to know how to light them because I would never use like a green light for like a highlight because what happens

you put green so you look at the skin look like a zombie like the skin look bad and it's like yo you can't use green like you know or you not even blue like you could Like, I think there's certain shows that do that, but reality, the dark skin, like, when it's brown, you got to use warm temperature. Like, the yellows and the, you know what I mean? Like the cool, warm, and it complements the skin. How motherfuckers hear that shooting me?

Yeah, like, I mean, make sure you got out light in this motherfucker. Don't have us look like no fucking zombie on here. I learned a lot today, man. Telling people what you got coming up next, man. What you're working on? What you got coming up next? You don't got trying to rest. and get my nigga, slow down, brother.

You're right, you're right. I'm going to let you. First of all, God, damn. You know what? We got the mics that you'll clip on. We're going to do it next time. It's like one of our first episodes. We're good.

But these mics school shouts of production and everybody here. These mic's mic's group. You just got to have them a distance, no, you know, pause. But now, so the Casho movie, Killing Castro, we go on a festival. We're Al Pacino, y'all. We're Al Pacino, big time. Big time, man. The cast is crazy.

Oh, wow. Like, the cast. Who's gonna work? You were allowed to say that, man? Kiki Lane was in Bill Street. She was the leading ass. She was also, um, the old guard. She was the coming to America.

That's right. That's right. Then I got the kid from Blue Beetle, Sholo. Mariduena, who's also in, uh, Cobra Kai. Shout out to him. Yeah, right? We got, man, Ron Levingsston. You got Diego Bonetta, like, he's a huge Mexican star.

Um, bro, we got Frankie Faison. Okay. Kendrick Samson from, from, man, what was that show on HBO?

Name of the show. But you got Kendrick. So I heard you, I heard you mention the film festival because some people think it's easy. So look, the film is shot.

So now you still got to go down to the film festival. Sometimes you go there with a distributor if they've seen the movie beforehand, so they'll buy it and you go there

or you go there to sell it. Okay. So if we go to, for example, Toronto Film Festival, that's international. So you're going to get a lot of buyers.

So like you'll get like, Amazon Netflix or whatever they're going to say, okay, we're going to buy, we're going to run international, and then we also want to do the states because it's all about distribution. We don't distribute the movie. You know what's the main question of the show, though, before we close out, murder? You try to ask you up. When are we going to get in something?

You ain't liar. You ain't lie, you. All right, here we go. So, right there, I'm working on another film project. Okay. And I'm a good alley you. I'm a lot of you. No, but the story is going to be the biopic.

Okay. Throwback. You ready for this one? All right. Kimbo slice. Oh, shit. Make murder fight Kimbo Slice. Kimbo Slice.

That's going to be fire. That's right. That's going to be in Miami. That's going to be like MMA, UFC. Definitely. Come on. Kimbo Slice. It's like his whole.

People think you're going to get all that backyard and shit. Like, yeah, you're going to see that, but you're going to really see the journey. Like. Remember when he punched that one guy Eye out his head? That was like, so you know, originally I had it and then Fifth was going to play that role and so I'm going to have to ask Fifth to play it again.

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