Joe and Jada - The Real Report - Dee of Ruff Ryders on signing Murda for 10k, DMX vs Jay-Z, discovering Eve, & the LOX's Verzuz takeover

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda are joined by Dee, one of the founding forces behind Ruff Ryders, for a raw, story-filled episode that dives deep into the rise of the iconic movement. From turning street hustle into a legendary brand to the moment DMX dropped two albums in one year, Dee shares untold stories about X’s studio presence, emotional recording process, and the energy that made him a superstar. The conversation touches on the legendary rivalry and respect between Jay-Z and DMX, the discovery of Eve, and how the Ruff Ryders era helped shift hip hop away from the shiny suit wave. Yayo and Murda also reflect on their own come-up, opening for Cash Money Records, wild tour moments, and industry lessons, while Dee breaks down key moments like the Woodstock 1999 performance, DMX’s transition into acting with Belly, and the LOX’s impact at Verzuz. Packed with classic hip hop history, behind-the-scenes stories, and unfiltered takes, this episode is a must-listen for fans of the culture.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was on the round for shooting somebody and D&M. still chose the motherfucker to sign me and embrace me. Look, I'm a... What am I kidding? You know, you know what? Look, he wanted to laugh, right?

You hear me, do you look. He always wanted to laugh, right? Because I told him the deal. I first, look, my first deal, I told him that was for $10,000 in the bag of guns, right? He didn't get stabbed. Right. Shut the fuck the fuck.

Brooms! Brooms! Role! You get movies with! Oh! Oh! What? What?

What? You got my video. You know, that I was a guy. How? My son. That's out. Start it off, murder, let's get to the shit.

We ain't gonna f-up around. Let's go. Close that door. Close that door. You can say what the fuck you want, Dee. You can say whatever you want, man. You can say what you want, man. You know, I'm good.

I beat a lot of cases that feds. Most of my cases I did, most of the time I did already, so I already did the time. You did the time? Another citizen status of limitation. Dee, talk about that, man. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's show different, no intro. We got roughrovers. We got D for rough,

We got a rough riders in this motherfucker. You heard legend. Make some noise. You already know, babe, we're in the building, man. I only come, let me tell you how this shit go for real murder. This is what I really want to tell you. Let's go. Talk to me, Dick.

I don't even like fucking around when he said they've been arrested before. At least I know we've crossed, I mean, I mean, things. It's on the upcoming and that's just part of the hood. Yeah, you better believe it. Why do you say that? I mean, because niggas don't can relate to you. You know, a lot of niggas be stunning in front. They ain't going to do nothing.

All this shit they talk about. They be capping, man. Straight fry. I mean, I look at all the podcasts and I'm good with it. But I know a lot of things ain't going to do half of the shit. They say, or they didn't do it. Definitely. I can ride with that.

I can roll with that. But I'm good with it because you get your money, how you get it? I pray it for a lot of it. Technically, I was hoping God did come up with something over than selling crack and dope. Because that was the only way he was getting it back then. Right, right. So we came up with music and it was more like a blessing. Definitely.

So I was hoping, like, something this would take place because there wasn't no other way to get money. for us in the hood unless we was outside on a block and getting chased with cops and all type of bullshit every day. So this is a blessing for us all, technically. So tell the Yans that don't know because Rough Riders is one of the biggest labels ever created.

You know what I'm saying? One of the biggest brands ever, DMX, Swiss beats, Eve. The Lox. The list goes on and on for hits that came out of Rough Riders. Uncle Murdo. Murder too.

Bro, you know, definitely, definitely. Yeah, definitely. My bad, murder. Definitely. Come on, man. I couldn't really get them running like I wanted to. I was on the run.

I was on the run for shooting somebody. And D&M still chose the motherfucker and signed me and embrace me. Look, I'm going to fuck with him. I can't have a fuck with him. You know, you know what? Look, he wanted to laugh, right? You hear me, dude?

He always wanted to laugh, right? Because I told him the deal. I told him, my first deal, I told him that was for $10,000 in the bag of guns, right? So I always want to laugh when I said that right? I tried to tell up, I said, did you know how official that is, like, a nigga on the run, right?

And I go hollad Dee and I let him know my situation I'm like, yo, look, Dee. First of all, we go to High 97 shout out to my uncle Pete because I'm on the run we hear the locks on the radio. I'm like, yo, damn,

if anybody can relate to the shit I'm going through, it got to be rough riders and the locks, the shit they was talking. I'm like, it got to be them. So we go to the radio station. I spit some shit for D&M.

I catch them as soon as they come outside of Flex. I spit some shit for D&M. Stiles Pete grabbed me like, oh, damn, this is the thing. the truth. Dee, like, I'm fucking with this nigger. Dee put me in the van.

He's like, so what's going on with you? I'm like, well, I got a little situation, Dee. I'm like, yo, I'm on the run for shooting somebody, man. And Dee, it was like, nothing to him. So what you think the nigger gonna tell? I'm like, well, he shoot people too. I'm like, so he shouldn't actually tell when he gets better. But he just thought he was going to die the time.

Dee like, well, I ain't fucking, then we're rolling. Come on, you're rolling with me. Just kept me rolling with him. At that time, I was just young. I was in the studio watching D and Matt. Even the locks and all them just working. They used to just have me around. So that was just to get to that because he always tried to laugh

about me getting 10 men and guns. That was more of a long. It was alone. They gave you alone. It's 10 grand and some guns. Nobody doing that if a niggas on the run. You're already at risk. You're on the run from the police.

But they don't know what's going to happen. Him and his brother, they're not regular execs. Salute my nigga Y too. Salute to why. Explain the people where you from and how Rough Riders the empire started. Look, I'm from the hood like everybody else is from the hood. But like I always tell people, you know, everybody from the hood,

but that don't mean you're from the hood. You might have lived in the hood. You ain't did nothing in the hood. I don't know you for nothing in the hood. You lived in that building that's it. Far as me knowing you did anything, don't make it look like you act about it. You didn't know if you live in that building, I could co-sign that. You ain't coming out that building unless you're going down the block.

You better believe it. I know you live there. I ain't saying you don't live here, but I know you ain't doing nothing of it but living in and out. You ain't standing here, you ain't out here with us. No pain. No type of work. So, you know, that's just a part of what you gotta go through when you grow up, you know what

I'm saying. It's not like we chose it. It's just what it is. Wherever we move or wherever we put at, that's where we gotta survive at. You know, so that's just a part of the everyday living. And, you know, you're not there because you want to be there. You get it because you have to be there. Definitely.

Which means for the youth, now you gotta figure out how you're gonna work your way get out of there. Right. You know, you stuck. We wasn't asked to be putting this building. Your mother and father put you in that building. I don't know nothing about where I'm met. I'm just here.

And you get out there, three niggas get shot on the blog and they ain't got nothing to do with you, but you're there. Definitely. I didn't ask to move here. So, you know, I was in that type of situation growing up too because I know, you know, it's either, what is it say, if a killer be killed, that's what it's going to be. They explain, they showing it every day when you come outside. You see what you.

what you're doing through. So you know, you gotta take, you were gonna adapt or get random out of there every day. So, you know, I just probably caught my first bid, probably like when I was about 15, probably just turning 16, caught a bid. I think it was a robbery. And we got caught, whatever it was,

all them niggas told, and I got caught because they came to my crib, because I had to hammer, but we wound up doing a little light bid and getting out of that. but that's just all for you to know that that's not what you want to do. Because everybody go through it, but you got to find, you got a talent, you just got to know what it is and tap into it. You know what I'm saying?

Because if anybody been, I'm probably the worst or the worst. Oh, I don't know. The worst of the worst. And I come from, a lot of people did it like this. When I was out in the street, I didn't even really hustle where I was from. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't hustle. I'm my block.

I didn't hustle. Because you're good on your block. I used to go out of town to hustle. So when you go out of town, know that you got to know, everybody hate New York niggas. You know, we're just the most hated for whatever. We ain't did shit to nobody, but I guess our swag, our style, and whatever it is, and we fucking out of the bitches.

So that's going to cause a lot of conflict. Well, you went out of town, because I know Brooklyn niggas go to like Binghamton, and I'm from Queens. We go, every Queens, thing, me, 50, we went to Pennsylvania. That's where we was at. Yeah, PA was our spot. For us, if we're upstate, it's connected the Aubrey,

that's where Brooklyn would go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We probably, I went to so many different, I was in Connecticut, I was in motherfucking North Carolina, I was in D.C., 14th and W are to be on 14th and W. But that ain't where I really got the money. When I really got the money, see, because you got no DC in Baltimore is close.

So I went there and then we wound up in Baltimore. So I've probably been there the longest, so I probably got the most, the most done there. So you know, that's like my second home. Out of all the places I went, I ain't stayed long. But there, I probably stayed the longest and I got the most out of that area. So, you know, that's more like where I'm from technically.

If I ain't from New York, I'm from Baltimore. Gotcha. And they display they work real quick. Definitely. Be more hand in late business. Definitely, shout out to B. Shout to my boy YG Tech. That's my guy.

They got the mayor cleaning it up a little bit out there now. Shout to him, the black young mayor. Yeah, they're doing the right thing. You know, but you couldn't, I think I was, let me tell you, I was in the halfway house, right? So I just, I was just finishing, I was finishing a Fed bed, so I had a Fed bed, so I did it, boom. So I'm getting ready to come up, but I'm in the halfway house, but I'm in Brooklyn. My halfway house was in Brooklyn, somewhere in Brooklyn, so I was over there. So I used to get out on the weekend.

He used to let me come out. And my niggas will be like, yeah, yeah, you'd be like, oh, I got a spot up. I'm like, nigga, where's that? I'm in a half a sot. When I get out on the weekend, take me shoot straight there. We're going to shoot straight there, and we're going to come right back. Niggas shot us over there. Went over there, check, so okay, this is where the money's there.

So that's how I wound up going over there because one of my main guys, he was home. He took me over there and there was money over there, you know? So there's always money in different places over than here because what we're giving you is the dime, the niggas is paying $20 for us. We're doubling up, you know what I'm saying? That's how to get to the money if it's moving like that. So, you know, and then when you go through all the dime, you know, and then when you go through all of them things in your life.

It's called survival. When we're young, we're in survival more. Because we're... For sure. We fucked up. We ain't got no money. Your mom's pops ain't got no money. Everybody's, you know, you're just trying to figure it out.

So I thought in my life, in my age, I said, you know, I knew at a point I had to take the risk. It was either take the wrist or else you're going to starve and be broken. You're going to be fucked up and that's going to be the end of that. So I was like, fuck it. I'm going to take the hit. Whatever the hit going to be. I don't know what it's going to be exactly, but it's going to be.

Right, right, really. So in your mind, as long as you tell your mind that you're willing to deal with whatever going to go wrong or right, then you're good. When you start talking this stupid shit like this, why ain't trying to go to jail, nigger, then why are you in this car? Then why you're in this car? Don't start talking that shit. Don't start talking that shit. Don't start talking that shit.

Don't start talking that shit. I ain't trying to go jail. Then why are you in this car? Then why you're in this call? You want to be in this pull over, let that nigger. All you already told you, that's just the sign of saying, nigga, I'm telling. That's all you guys say, let the car, let them out. You ain't got to stop.

stay in the car, get out. You know what I'm saying? Real shit though. You know, that's when you come up, you got to know all the signs. If you're not willing to go to jail, you're not willing to do whatever you got to do to keep yourself alive, then you don't need to play with some streets, you know what I'm saying? And that was back in the day when I was out there, but now it's so many different avenues and so many other things that we could do to make the same amount of money even more than

you was making outside on the street. So how did that hustle turn the rough riders? Because we, for people that don't know about the beginning, everybody's, everybody's I know about Ruff Routers, one of the biggest brands out of New York City. You know what I'm saying? Legendary, you know what I'm saying? How did that start? Well, what happened was we was hustling, but my brother was doing her.

He was on another side. I was on the other side. He wound up getting DMX and getting into the music. And I don't know if he was around there. I was not there. Not that early now. So he wound up getting X and I'm still outside doing what I'm doing. He was like, yo, boom, boom, yo, I think we should let it out.

I was like, ah, you know, sounds good, but you guys and I'll figure it out as we go. So what happened was I said, you know what, fuck it. Let me go because I'm getting hot, you know, I probably just got arrested a couple of more times. The feds were on me here, so they fucking with me every day. So I said, you know what, I'm going to have to try something else because you got to know when to say you got to switch it because you see that you get ready to go to jail or else. So I was like, fuck, let me just try something different, but my brother in them was

already playing with it a little bit. Okay. So I just came back and was like, fuck it, I'm gonna just go over here and focus on this. So when I got into it, I was just learning the business because I don't know nothing about music other than but listening to the shit. I hear the music and that's all I know,

but I wound up eventually knowing it and understanding it. And then I figured it out and then I just started doing albums, you know what I'm saying? Like I just, probably did like 15 albums in eight years. So I was on top of it after I focused, see, because what you could do is, If you were all hustling, you're all street, outside hustling. You used to use that same hustler formula and put it to the positive.

Same grind. But doing something positive. So I just kept doing albums. I was doing albums like clockwork. And I was just hustling. But it was the same hustle. Like if I was outside on my block, I was hustling 24 hours. You come in.

I got the day shift. He got the night. We just keep on moving. That was the same mentality that I brought to the music. So that's how I was able to knock out all them albums. I don't hear you say that, right? Because we was talking about this not too long ago. You had me, you had 50, matter of fact,

the year with DMX dropped two albums. And that was like kind of unheard of back then. Back then. And both them since did numbers. Like, what was that process? Yeah, he went crazy that year with both them albums. And did another $5 million. Well, let me tell you the trick with X.

I ain't tell nobody this one, but this is the one. This is the crazy part. So he used to be on my block when I had some Baltimore. So I got him with me, you know, he's doing what he'd do. He ain't really hustling. He just wanted to block. I got to keep it with me so he don't crash out.

So I said, all right, fucking cool. So one day I'm talking to the nigger and I'm like, so you remember when we put that thing over there about a couple? He said, you're talking about the worst thing?

I said, yeah, the other thing you remember? He said, yeah. I said, then I was like three years ago. You remember that? I said, yeah, I remember that. I said, okay. Then I figured out,

this is the crazy part. He got a selective memory meaning he can't forget. When he do something, he can't. not forget. So I said, alright, cool. So every day used to come on my block, I used to be like, here, every rhyme you give me, I give you $100. I give him $100. I give him $100. So time go by, he got all the rounds. So every rhyme, every rhyme he ever knew, he didn't have to write it. I just

knew if you could say three bars, he going to be like, I remember that rhyme, he'd go write in me and say it. So I had 20 songs already done. So that's how I was able to do the two albums, because you already had him in his head. You don't forget the vibes. Look at that. I already had the songs. Look at that. That was it.

Man, look at that. Rest of the piece to the great DMX for real. DEMX, man, come on. He went, not too many artists went diamond in their career, bro. It's a handful. I told one time I was on set. The only remember, and you actually asked DMX to cry one time. You was just to show me.

And he was so dope with that actor, so he cried like this. Like nothing. Cryed, real talk. And God bless to death, rest of piece, DMX. He was just a piece DMX. a great actor. Great actor. That's great. He was really in a studio with pit bulls and shit like that? Yeah. He was in there. He was in studio with eight pit bulls in that. You know, that nigga, when he first was with us at the beginning, you know, he respect us a little

differently, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, well, you could bring a dog. My brother love dogs too, so they got ten dogs. He got five over there. All these, I'm not a dog lover, you know, I'll be like, let me know where I'll shoot the dog. This the dog. Yeah, me, I'm not a dog lover there. Don't know, Disney, just the dog lover got out of here. Look at him. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's a dog lover. He's a grinchy. The man, he's got 200 dogs, you know. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I'm saying, you know what? My brother and I'm going to be like, you know, don't even worry about that. You know, let me hold one of them dogs right. This nigga owe some money.

Bring him over here. Put them over here. I said, I was using the dog, ditty. I'm going to get the money out of this, nigga. He's talking all this bullshit. Definitely. Yeah, because when you look at DMX, it was more of a lifestyle when he dropped. Definitely.

Get at me, dog. You niggas want to be killers? Get at me, dog. He had the dogs. Oh, he's barking. He was the dog's number two. Yeah, I'm a dog. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, definitely. So he, then how did it get into the motorbikes? Because then it turned into like a worldwide thing rough riders. Like, motherfuckers was riding in London reping rough riders. Motherfuckers was in Finland all over the world, reping rough riders on the bikes now. Yeah. They got the, we had chapters, he was called chapters. So we wound up getting chapters in all different places.

Like everywhere, we go to California, we got Chicago, everywhere we go. I remember that traveling, which I always had crews everywhere. Everywhere you go, so it's chapters everywhere. And everywhere we go somewhere, they pull up, you know what I'm saying? So if you see the craziest, the craziest funeral I ever seen was X's funeral. It had about 2,000 niggas out there on bikes. And they came, you know, the. Pay their respects, definitely.

Yeah, he probably one of the craziest, because we ran from Yonkers and we rode all way down to Brooklyn to bring it, bring, that's where his funeral was there. But we started and Yonkers and drove all the way down. So we probably had like 2,000 bikes, 3,000, maybe more. Yeah, definitely it was a move. We had the coffin in a monster truck. You see how we put the coffin in the sky? Bags, bags.

I'm gonna get you up there before you even get you your back. My brother. My brother. I'll get you up there before you even get up there. Before the time, yeah, let's get it. You're ready. You're ready. You know, because we always have this debate, right?

We always talk about, like, JZ was good, had like a good image. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, DMX was, like, out selling, like, Jay Z on Dev Jam. Because, you know, he's on Dev Jam, but DMX was kind of like a big artist when you really think. He went diamond. Right. So, but Jay Z always had that, like, mystique of I'm the boss. so I look good over here.

You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Not taking nothing from their all legends. But definitely. A lot of people don't realize DMX went diamond. No, DMX was that dude at that time and that ever. He was coming up. Jay wasn't just making it look good, the CEO doing things like that,

so he made it look good. You know what I mean? But X was talking that shit. X was different than everybody else, though. He wasn't a drug dealer. He was just a wild nigger. He wasn't like drug dealer talk. He wasn't pretty boy talk.

But he could do it. But he had shit for the ladies. They talked them stories. Yeah. X was a robber too. No, he was, he was- He was a robber. He was a robber.

I used to be around. Not her story was X just be chilling with the motherfucking robber. Like, yo, the next guy ex just robbed somebody. Like obviously I heard about that. Ex used to be a robber. And then seeing how he performed in belly, you know, come on, belly is like, that's a classic. Classic.

That's, come on, that's classic TV. Classic. You know what the craziest part? And I gotta give it to hope, because you know, You know, me and Hove was good. He always shouted you out. He always saluted you. I noticed that you always.

That's my guy. And this is the craziest part and never forget this, but this is the most solidest shit you could do ever. So he was rapping and they was, you know, they was always compatible to each other. They were all-in-outed-talked. Talked about. Yeah. Yeah.

But what happened was me and Jay had a rapport, like him and ex-pire had, but I had a good rapport with Jay. So I fucked with him. So I had X was at Def Jam, but then he became the president at Def Jam. Hove was up there running the show. So X was in the hole over there for about a good $8 million at least. So I was like, all, cool. So shit wasn't working with it, but he wound up being the president.

So I went back in and I was like, yo, let me holl at you four minutes. So me and him, we got a good relationship. He was like, what, so I said, you know what? This ain't working out for him, boom, boom, boom. Let's see if we could switch and move him somewhere else so we can get him from over here because he don't really feel like comfortable here. At Def Jam at that point.

Yeah, he didn't want to be at Def Jam at that point. So we talk back and forth from that point, but you know, you can't really go because wherever you go, you all this money, you still owe this money. Still owe that $8 million, definitely. That nigga, wipe the whole shit out. He ain't had to pay nothing and let him go.

Straight like that. Mm. That's straight like that. Gotta salute that, definitely. Definitely. That right there, that was probably 20 years ago, but I remember that. You know what I'm saying?

So I got to always say, I got to give him that because it could have win a different way if he didn't just say, all right, go ahead, man, fucking do what you got. Definitely, definitely. I always respect the hope for that because not too many people knew that but me

because me and him made that, we was just talking one-on-one. He did that kind of like a favor for me and it went through the X. So it helped him out as well because he could have said, nah, you know, the other nigs over there they don't give a fuck,

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I went and had lunch with him one day. And I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent,

I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. Mm. and he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.

It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. How we did it? Crazy because y'all had a roster like, talk about how to fuck y'all got Eve.

Because at that point, who we had? We had Little Kim, we had Foxy. And it was just at that point I would say it's Eve. Yeah, Little Kim, Foxy and Eve at that time. That time right there was like those were the top three at that point. 100%. So she was from Philly, right? She was from Philly.

So how did y'all find her? You know what? I think Mark Byves was a manager, which was a good friend of somebody. But X had ran into Eve, I think, in California in the studio or something. And he was like, boom, boom, boom. And Dre had her.

Dr. Dre had her at that time. Oh, wow. So she was signed to Dre and him. So boom, boom, boom. And then he came back and told me, yo, you know, I got this girl, but da-da-da-da-da. I was like, all right, you know what I mean?

I said, fucking fly in. and she came in and I was like, well, she could, we could work with her. You know? And then she was signed to Dre and him. So we wanted to figure out how to figure-neagle it. Jimmy Avine, we went through it and he was like, all right, fucking y'all could take her. We did a deal with him, but he gave us EVE. And we had to deal with Interscope.

Okay, it was, yeah, Ruffraiser was doing interscope. He still was with him. So he still, but he said, fucking y'all, Drake could do nothing with he didn't not a worker. So he's like, yeah. Well, you know how Dre is. You be, you could do a whole two albums with Dre and. that shit might not come out with Drake, man.

Drake's real picky on this show. I'm not feeling it today. Definitely. Forget about all that, just come back another year. So he's just a different type of up, but we was able to break her. So they gave her to us and right after that time, we had a little momentum and we just put it in and she worked.

And I felt like back then, like the female rap had a little more substance too. Like Foxy, Kim and Eve had album albums for me. You know what I mean? You had to really be talking that shit back. to even make it, even get kind of known. You had to really come. The hook had to be, remember Eve?

Who's that gang? Yeah, definitely. Da, na, na, la, la, nah. That was it. She's dang. That took her to a whole other level with that Gris-Sephanie. That crossed the over like crazy. Yeah, that was like crazy.

The guitar went, damn, think it was something like that. But she's talking about domestic violence? Yeah. Yeah, that was it. I know what you're talking about. I know what reggae's you're talking about. You shot that on Dykeman, man.

I remember that we shot that. That was the, uh, the, Yeah, Eve had a whole different style. She had the short hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice looking girl, tattoos had the paws. Remember that's what? A lot of people bit that tattoo too.

Right here. The paws, yeah, that's a fact. A lot of girls started doing that. That's a fact. Because you got it, those were the three goats. Foxy Kim and I would say, yeah, Eve. Yep, those were. At that point.

And at that time right there. But, you know, you gotta have, when you got a squad, you gotta break it up with one girl, you know, just to, If you got a team, you got to put a girl there. That's going to break it up. So it feels good. If I got to put two verses here, I put her right in the middle of and break it up,

then the other people can come back after that. How was it dealing with all those personalities? Because I always thought that back in the days, like you got DMX, you got Eve, you got the locks. Like, how do you, like, deal with all those personalities? Well, you know, what it was is that with the artists I had, it was like a, I was telling, I was Adam like that.

They were like little brothers to me. So I was already taking care of them, you know, boom, boom, boom, whiz already. They had shit I was giving them things. You didn't have to sell them record, but I was with them. I used to take them in schools sometimes. Come pick them up and take them wherever and make sure they're good and give them whatever, throwing a bunch of sneakers, all that type of stuff. From the washing machine, you know.

Wash machine money. I like that one. That's the new one right there. You know that. Wash machine money, man. Laundry match. The laundry. a lot of laundry match.

A lot of laundry mat. Of course. Of course. But, you know, it was already all right. And I was just to make sure they was all right, you know, to make sure that they'd be able to go to the other direction, not that direction we had to go through. So the goal is for us to go through it so they don't have to go through it. So if you're not doing that, then you're feeding the purpose.

So I was good with it because when I sat back and looked, all the artists, my nephew, West, Kess, Eve, all them. I was able to point them in that direction. Right. Not take them over here. You know, if you want to come, you could come, though. You know, when a pump fake, I tell Swiss hired, get in the car, that, nigga. We're going to get to it.

No, Swiss was with the shit, too. He was with the shit. Because I don't know one time he was in the studio, somebody owes Swiss of Money. Said I told him I told him I told him. He in the building. I remember somebody owes him some money, and he had an unfortunate trip in the basement in the Rough Rider Studio, you know what I mean? The lights aren't on.

Yeah, the lights wasn't. The lights wasn't on. The lights wasn't on. The lights wasn't on. The lights wasn't on, you know. Yeah, he got done dirty in that. Things happened. Things happened.

Another thing, too, is how did you feel for the No More Shiny Suits era when the locks was leaving Diddy? How did, like, what was that about? Like, and then they came to Rough Riders. Because that was a big switch. But you remember, no more shiny suits? Yeah, it was going down at that time. I remember that. Yeah, you know, what happened was,

because they went and got out the contract. Yeah, because Diddy ain't let nobody. Of course. Forget about that. I don't get a fuck about the shiny shoots. I don't care about the shiny. Puff wasn't trying to let you out no contract. Facts.

But there's the trick. So back to the same thing. Like, it's always kind of like the relationships I had at that time. So I had a rapport with Diddy. And his pops and my pops grew up together. They was best friends. So his pops got in a situation.

They murdered him. And my father. grew up with him, so that's his best friend. So my pops said, yo, make sure you know Puffa's family, make sure you look after him, boom, boom, boom, because he know I'm in the streets. Puff of them is walking the street, but I'm in the street. So I had to make sure, you know, he was all right.

Of course, of course, definitely, definitely. But he family, so I just always knew that he was family. He looked out when I knew, we needed things as well. So he did no different from him in whole world. I came up with all them, so they all like family to me, you know what I'm saying? So I just knew that. that they point you in the right,

he was pointing me in the right day, and he helped me out with a lot of things. So, you know, we gotta make sure he's good. Even though he's not in the best place, right this second things happen, shit gonna happen to everybody, but you know, that's where you're gonna see where everybody's standing, you know, I can't do nothing about it.

He did whatever he do, he's family still to me. I can't do nothing about whatever. So you made the deal for no more shiny suits, for them next. Yeah, yeah. We got them all for that, and they got out of the shiny suits. And, you know, we wasn't into the shiny suits.

So we just put them in regular dickies and regular shit timbers and do what you do. So that's what kind of helped them get to that point. And I was able to get them so they could be able to, the plan was to be able to do this and be able to do whatever they're going for the rest of their life. So like they're doing that, they still love it and they're good. I was cool with that.

You was in the studio for niggins and starred or something? Yeah. You know, I did all the albums. So I was in there for mostly everything. The niggas that started something was the- What was the vibe? They always in the studio. Yeah, that was that shit, right?

This is classic shit for the culture. I know he wasn't dead. I was dead for that. I was there. You know what was in that? Because this is before, nobody had a deal when I had this song. This song, nobody had a deal. That's crazy for real.

Oh, nobody was sound at that point when they got. Nobody had a deal at this time. Wow, you see. This is a good question right here. So the crazy part is that we was in the studio. So I used to be in the studio in Yonkers, that's where the locks and all, from an ex-on- from we had a studio. Right.

So we had the locks, what was on it, Lox, Mace, Mace, X. X, yep. I think it was all them right there, the Lox. Yeah, it was the Lox Mace and X. Yep, yep, all of them. So they used to just be in a studio and we just, we wound up doing that song.

I think Greece did that beat. Probably was Greece did that beat, if I'm not mistaken. But we just did that. They was all in and it just, I think Stiles came up with the hook. Look it just started something. Legend for that. Yeah, so it was easy to do.

That is a classic record. Now, I'm gonna ask you who you think got the best verse on. Who do you think I... Back then. Back then, back then, who was it? You know, at the end of you, see, the best is always the last. Yeah. So they saved that.

That's how I used to be back there. We had saved the best for last back in the year. You put last because if I put the best first, they don't got to listen to nobody else. You put them last. What you heard? To the niggas like a boss. Nah, DMX went crazy.

And you know a lot of people don't know, a lot of a lot of Roughwriters' artists used to get a lot of me, myself, get lines from Dee. Dee was a real slick talker. So if you just sitting in the studio with Dee, right, and you just there all day, he's going to say so much shit

that you're going to wind up putting one of them lines in your bars. I'm dead serious. You're going to some shit he said, you're going to put it in your music. Man, I'm still open. He said nobody was signed when they made that record.

I'm thinking about that. That is crazy. Because they were sounding mad hungry on that shit. Yeah, they didn't. Nobody probably had a deal at that time for sure. They went to Puff and them and tried to work out over there. They didn't work, so I was able to get them back. So I had to give Puff some money.

I think we had to get them like $3 million to get them back. So I wanted to give them $3 million, took them back. But see, for me, they like little brothers to me. So I was always over. always thinking of the future for them, like, if I, I got to get them out of their situation so they could do whatever they got to do so they could be able to live for the rest of their

life and do what they're doing now. So one move could fuck them up. So I've seen that it's probably not going to work. He probably ain't into them like he should be. He's more into Mace. He was more into Mace at that time. Got you. So they're fucking, let me just get them back and try to figure

out the next movement. We try to figure out how to break them over here at Interscope. So he wound up, you know, me and Puff was So he did me a favor too. It wasn't a little favor, but it was a favor. It cost something, but it's all good. It worked, yeah. It worked, it worked.

Everybody was spawned on that record. Niggas doesn't start. You really think about it, Mace and Jada, style, she was murdering. That was murder Mace back there, but that was murder Mace. X last verse, like he said, it was in, the beat changed up and everything. The beat changed, so she started sounding. Don't come heavy with no bulls.

What's shit of that shit like a boss. Ficking balls sheds. Fuck what you heard. It's what you're doing. Ms. Garter didn't get. Most harder than what's a hair. Yeah. See, if your hardest niggas flip when I start a bunch of shit.

That's crazy. My boy, mine, McConnor did a video for one of the X records. It's so classic, man. Yo, that time in hip hop to me was just so special. Like, I remember me in 50 opening up for you guys, but for cash money and rubber- Was it in Queens? No. We was on the tour.

On the tour. Oh, okay, okay. At that point, you probably, you ain't know who he was, but cash money and rough riders was fucking on tour together. I remember being on that tour. We used to opening act 150, I had a rock. Look at that. So I'm like, I've been seeing nigger stars and I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy.

Like, just the whole life. Like, niggas, like their tours, that was classical time because it wasn't no Instagram. You ain't going to see DMX unless you see DMX on the stage. You ain't going to see styles, Swiss beats Eve. Nobody unless you see them at the event. It was more exclusively. It was exclusive, even a record. Like, niggas didn't start it something.

Remember when that shit came out that album? Yeah, it was. It was. And it kept it the last song on the album for purpose. I don't know why. I was like, you would think a nigga would have started the album with that shit. And it was like when the whole East Coast, West Coast thing

was like, so that record just felt like, ooh. So it felt like, it felt dangerous. Yeah, yeah. It was a good. It was a good one. It was a good one. You know what the crazy is? because I'm just thinking a couple of things

because I'm here, and I got, you know, right here with me. So I remember 50, when he first came. So when 50 first came out, you know, we're a little, we're a little, as I said. So they bought 50's music to me, and I was in the hood. But they was like, yo, boom, walk, I said, I was like, let me hear it. So that's when he was, he was, he was, that's when he was,

how to rob, how to rob. Was it how to rob? We were just dissing everybody, talking crazy about everybody. What's that one? With the mad rap? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I'm listening, I'm listening.

So I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what's up. And then I said, then I sat and thought for him, I said, oh, he's going a little too hard. We might have to kill a couple of things. I said, this is going too hard. Let me fall back for two seconds. Yeah, listen, he got the mad rap on it. It was a comic who record, how to rob.

But back then, you know how it was. Back then, niggas. But then, like New York, you couldn't, like, New York wasn't just letting niggas come to New York and get on radio. It was like, this was New York. Nah, New York was totally different back then. Classic. Everything was exclusive.

Oh, so they brought you the music on something like, yo, trying to get you the No, I think, I'm trying to remember the nigga that bought me because he was good, one of my people that was good from out there. I think it was Prince. I'm trying to remember. Was it a kid, it was a prince, a guy named Prince? Oh, somebody got the nigga name, but he bought it to my man. in the hood was like, your head, boom.

He was talking about 50. I was like, all right. And then he was talking crazy. And he was like, no, we're going to want him to kill the niggas. I'm going to pass on this one. It's going to be too much driving. All right. I already know where we was getting ready to do.

Definitely. Definitely. I was hungry. You know, Philp was that. So you got to, you got to know you. I already know what type of niggas I got with me. Definitely. So when you're in position,

and you got to remember this, when you're in position and you, the head of it, you got to make sure you protect your people because they're going to go off you tell them. So I got to say, nah, I'm good. Not that I ain't worrying about

what it's going to be, I'm worrying about nigs going to jail getting kept. So it's my job to say, no, I ain't that serious, we're going to have to pass. So you got to make a rational decision instead of making an ill-rational decision, you know what I'm saying?

So if you're, you, If you're the head of any type of situation, you got to make the right decisions for everybody, not just for yourself. I'm a getaway. I just don't know if all I'm going to get away. So since that, if all my niggas can't get away, I don't do it. I'll be like, I don't get that.

The plan don't look like we all getting away. I'm going to probably get away. You probably can get away, but y'all might not get away. So you know what? Let's don't do it until we all can get away. So you got to think like that. And that's just the way it's always been for me. I got to keep it the way I always kept it with my people,

you know, like I still fuck with my same people. You see my nigga? Of course, no, of course. All the day ones. You put all the day ones do. I'm like all the day one still around, definitely. Look, those are, we got felony together, man. You're talking about the day.

Not real shit. Real shit. But these are the people that helped you on your journey to get there. So if anybody don't go astray and they don't play themselves, you know, you try to help them until they get to whatever there's they doing. So my job is to come back and help whoever that's worthy of. helping you know what I'm saying so I can't help all the niggas some niggas ain't on the same page or the same direction I'm going right now so I could give you advice I gotta keep it moving you know

and that's just what it is so but I just never felt like I can't fuck with my people it don't matter how much money you give me I'm already I'm already in definitely you know I can't say oh don't fuck with a nigga I parked my car in the same spot I go right back to my same block I just left You got the footage I just left the block? Same block. Yeah, they do their podcast. I'm sorry on the block. I did the podcast before.

I pulled the podcast. Of course, I pulled up. I pulled up with a block. I pulled up on my guy. Come on, man. That's what I'm here. Look, I ain't got to talk long to my nigga, Marr. I said, look, murder, I'm outside.

I don't know if you're going to be safe. You said I'll be right there. Facts. Come on, man. Come on. Come on. Come on. Man.

Still ever, 10 green and some guns. That's right, nigga. Being on the run. And they go on the mind, this funny guy, right? Because he said, take red. 10 grand and some gun. Because that helped me to this day, right? I just did a deal, right?

Shout out the Empire, set out to Gazi and Nima. I just did a deal for seven figures, right? I'm about to put out some new music and all that. But it beats shit like that for me grinding from that young, fucking with y'all, that I'm able to even do deals like that to this day. Because I know how to move, just sitting back, watching the game. And I was so preaching. I'm on the run.

Like, y'all gave me so much hope because I don't even know what my life would have turned out to be. Honestly, I'm on the run. I'm motherfucking shooting people out there Eastern York. It's all crazy. All type of shootouts with the police.

It's statute of limitations on that shit now. But 75th precinct was so crooked. So I don't even know how nigga life would have really turned out. So me even going up to y'all, spitting for y'all and y'all really embracing me and feeling me at that time.

Change your life. And it ain't giving me some money to go buy some work and some guns to make sure me and my niggas is good. It don't get no really than that deed. It don't get no real it in that, Dee. No realer than that, dude. No real it, nigga.

10 grand guns. I was a puppy, nigga. I was a puppy, you know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. You was hungry, though. And then you got the Rough Riders coat sign on top of that. Come on the biggest braids. Come on, man.

He's my guy. In the world. What's your craziest tour experience? Because I remember the cash money, Rough Rider tour, and I remember 50 billion opening that. How to Rob. You were too. You didn't know who we was back to.

That's crazy. You got a deal. Deanna was poverty's head. I don't mean, you know, I'll be there, but I don't be there mentally. Got you. Because, you know, we're on tour and this. It's just that we're blessed to be there and do that. But at the end of the day, that tour was, you know, all we did, because we did a cash money tour

and we did a rock. The one with Rock, Rock, the whole year, the whole Rock and fellow, breath, that's right. And tours was good, but, you know, this is a, I, I see Hove talking about this too. So him and X battled one time, right? This before even one of them had it there. Nobody had it there.

Yeah, I remember that battle was viral. Yeah. It's all, I think it's in the Bronx. It's in the Bronx. But the shit was like this. It wasn't really supposed to be a battle. Because what happened was my man Mack from my building called me. It was like, yo, boom, boom, boom, we're battling, da da, da, da.

It was original flavors in Harlem Knights, which Dane was managing one of them. and my man Mack was manager. So they- About the original Flabers group that Hope was in the time. He was in the group. Okay.

He was just in the group. So he wasn't battle and it was all the other nigs battle until he was on the side. So my man Matt called me one time. I was like, Yo, Dee, where you at?

Come through, I'm having a battle. And I just happened to have X with me that one time. And I was like, all right, I'll be over there. So we shot over to the Bronx and we went over there. And I just had happened.

X was just with me. He was standing over there. They was over there. X wasn't even involved. So they bad. battle and battle and battling. So they kind of didn't get too far. So they didn't even have a plan.

So he already knew that none of them could fuck with Hope. That'll be the end of it. That'll be crushing everything at that moment. Right. So he already had Hove in the cut. So after that shit got stuck, he was like, you know what? They put Hove on the table. But mind you, X wasn't there to battle.

So when he put a hove on the table, I told my nigger Mac, Mac was like, well, I said, put X on the table. Fuck. I put X on the table. So, all for them was going back and forth, back and forth, and they both was nice, you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't like, shit, we was in there for about two hours probably, back and forth.

Oh, they was going back up for two hours. Yeah, you could find that battle. That battle was like a big thing. DMX, Jay. That was crazy. You could find that. Classic. Classic time.

We wound up not recording it at that moment. I want brother wanted to tell a nigga, turn the cameras off, we got too much going on. Oh, shit. That was why Paul, Paul, that was why. That was why. You turn the camera off, nigga. We probably, they still, we still ain't, we ain't in the clear yet.

So he turned it off so we didn't get to record it. So what, but there was a cipher with Jay and DMX, no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they still kept doing what they did. Yeah, a little cipher, yeah. But he's talking about as far as the battle, the battle, yeah. Yeah, yeah, just turn the camera off, whatever you do. Oh, man, we can have sold that for a couple of millions. He better believe it.

It's okay, you know, we would have got the money, but we probably be still up in, Attica just getting it released. No, nigga, I'm good. You all right. Turn that motherfucker off for two seconds. We got other shit going on. You're talking about rap, nigga.

We're on the run. Vex. Fax. Because X, what was that show that he did? What's the show, Edding, that X did? Was it, was it the biggest, like the biggest show, like 80,000 or something? Oh, oh.

I'm trying to figure out. The, what's the name? Was it Woodstock? Woodstock. I think it was like, yes, that was like, yes, yes, yes. Like, just people got to understand the gold diamond, that means if y'all don't know out there, I know a lot of people know 10 million and better, like.

And for him, that, that right there was like a claxy, hip-hop performance. It's like X crossed over just, just with a black crowd. He had a big white crowd, like, definitely. Also, and then, how do he transition to the acting? You know, the nigga, X, he was just a good actor, you know what I'm saying? I guess he must have done on his own in his room, but they wound up liking him when you see him performing his energy.

Then he wanted to read a couple of scripts and they're like, oh shit, okay, come on, let's try. Give him a try and they work. I think one of the main ones was the belly with him and nods. That was classic. Classic classic. Classic. Count that money!

Rest the piece of Leah. Him and the Leah had a classic movie too. They had a classic one. To me, Belly had the most, he was the Of course, he turned it up. You know what I mean? That nigga was bugging in belly. He didn't like that shit.

Take a red light. Dude, I won! That was like the most animated crazy rapper, bro. When you really think about it. No, ex was that nigga, man. Ex just knew, you know, it's just an actor. Some niggas know how to act, you know what I'm saying? So it was a good actor.

Plus, you know, we kept all of them niggas grounded. Like, you know what I'm saying? Stunting and fronting and all that, that's not what we're doing. Definitely. Be always try to get me. I always try to give my artists and they don't get in the shit because the shit can escalate. If it escalate, you might not have a career.

Just know that I mean. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Don't think that this is going to end always good. So try to alleviate the bullshit because it's definitely going to go where you don't want it to go. You don't got no control after a moment. Excuse me, we're going to figure this out. So you try not to even create them situations.

I don't even want no problems because I know how to shit in. I just don't even want no problems. We ain't doing that. That's the little. It's not that serious. we're going to keep it moving. That's not worth us. Or you're going to jail

or him going to jail. You know, it's just not worth it. So you got to stay positive and keep moving. When they're getting positive, I can't even fuck with him at this point. Definitely. So what's the future for the brand? I know y'all got clothes.

You got motorcycle fucking chapters. I know there's probably a lot of unreleased DMX music. I know there's a lot, the way he write music. We still, you know, with X, we just, what was I just doing with X? I just spoke with his, um, Desiree, which is his Exodus mother and his baby mother.

Okay. And she's doing something because she owns the rights to everything. So we're just trying to they're trying to do a series with them on something. So she's handling that, putting something together with X. And we're working on some new music

with the label and everything over there. My brother and I'm handling that, but I handle the most of the podcast shit. I'm on that right this second. Definitely. The block talking. I'll shout about. We got to get you,

I got to get me. Of course. I know what's going on, man. You had everybody on the motherfucking block. I got to get up on there. Yeah, we got to go on there. We're going to come on there together, man. We're going to pull up.

Look, I'm going to test your ability, man. You can't talk crazy because if you ain't coming out this, yep, Murpull right up. Look, niggas. They don't know who going to come around. I want to be there, in there. Wow. I said, Matt, back, let me come over there right after that.

I said, murder. I don't know. I said, that's what I'm talking about me. You know how we, bro. I was. Birdman come down. A lot of people came up over there, man. It's what it is, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you're ain't comfortable, don't come. If you're uncomfortable, don't come. I can't guarantee you a nigga ain't gonna run and run up on you because it ain't like that. I don't got no security or nothing out there. I just got niggins out there. Definitely. And, you know, if you ain't what you say, you all don't come.

I'm telling you just do that for yourself. Definitely. You know what I wanted to ask you to think? Just because me knowing you, right, how much, because shit, you call me every time you see me doing something. I'm good like, yo, my nigga, I see you. Good shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about, right? How did you fell in, at the verses, like just seeing the locks handle their business? Like, how did that make you feel like, known like these my young pups and they handled their business? You know what? I was sitting there, but I was down on the stage. But what happened was, you know, you get to watch them grow. That's the big part when you get to see people grow and see them become, well, turn from boys to men. So when you get to see them, they men.

So I got the chance to watch them grow and come to be good men, you know what I'm saying? And they know, you know, they come up on the real shit so they know like, look, don't do that, that ain't gonna stick back, don't do that if you ain't willing to go away. So they don't, they don't do the shit like talking about niggas and all that clowns.

That's not probably what they're gonna do because even though they're grown, they're still gonna get a call like, what's all about my nigga? I mean, you gotta, you still gotta answer. Of course. To a degree, you know what I'm saying? I ain't in your everyday life, but when it gets to,

when it, when it gets out of hand and shit might escalate, you need to stop that so it don't go no further. Or, you know, you gotta be wise about your battles or who you want to beat with over dumb shit. That ain't worth beefing over leader that long. Fags. Fags. It's all good, you know, family.

Everybody do what they do, they grow them in. As long as you know how to count, it's all that matters. Count that motherfucking money, nigga, right? Count that money, right? Yeah, Nicky, come back talking about, yeah, just, I'd be like, yeah, so, what is it? Count it again.

Cells. Facts. Talking about, I think, niggas, look at, yeah, you were, how much is that, yeah? I think, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's, count it again. Count it again.

Just because you said, I think. Count that money. Yeah. Tell me, tell me, go back. Count that over, man. Tell me, I think, nigga, count it again. Real shit.

Real shit. But it's a blessing for me to be able to be here and fuck with y'all. And definitely you, you know. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you, man. I see what your niggas did too, though, on that plane. Oh, man, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, dude, go ahead, dude. It wasn't the wrong thing.

It was self-defense. It was self-defense. But you know what? You know what? Because I'm good, I'm good with everybody. I'm good with it. I'm good with y'all. I'm good with Erv.

I'm good with Prince, some cream, all that. I'm good with everybody. You know what I'm saying? So we just got to know as black people that we can't crash out over dumb shit. Of course, man. Because it ain't that serious because it was that serious for me. Look, that's why I don't get a beef because there ain't nobody going to be around too long talking about no beef 20 years. I ain't, I'm uncomfortable.

Definitely. But it's just disagreements and little things here and there. So we've run into little situations like that, but we don't want to fuck up the money. Of course, man. Of course we can't fuck up the money, man. Of course. Can't fuck up the money. Because we play ourselves and we'd be stuck.

I almost had a flashback though, D. I almost had a flashback. I'm glad you flashback in. Now, yes, correct. Flashback in. I almost had a flashback in. Yeah, I was about to spare. I almost about to go straight to East New York.

Flash back in, murder. Almost, man. But it was all. We made the right reasons. You dropped plenty of Jews, man. Appreciate you coming to today. We appreciate your brother's house. Rough riders in the fucking-fielder.

Rockwriters in the building. You know the vibes, man. You know the vibes, yeah. Yeah, we're here. What about? Block on. Yeah. Good luck surviving the off-season football fans.

At first I was afraid. I was betrified. Football's over. It's like a part of me just died inside. 100 days till football's back. But tonight I won't just cry because I've got a waste to play. And that's the place with hard rock bet I will survive.

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