Joe and Jada - The Real Report - Joseph Sikora on Tommy Egan in Power Book IV: Force, working with Tom Cruise & Michael Jordan, 50 Cent Giving Back

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Joseph Sikora, best known as Tommy Egan from Power, joins Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda on The Real Report for a hilarious and wide-ranging conversation about bringing Tommy to life, his first day on set, finding out Ghost was going to die, getting his own spin-off with Power Book IV: Force, and how 50 Cent helped build the world around the character. Joseph also talks about his hip-hop roots, Kay Slay crediting him for graffiti, Chicago culture, working with Tom Cruise, his wild time on Ozark, directing an episode of Raising Kanan, shooting a commercial with Michael Jordan as a kid, and why New York pizza beats Chicago deep dish. From crazy Tommy fan stories to his favorite rappers, Polish family roots, acting, auditions, and his dog Pirate stealing the show, this episode gets into the man behind one of TV’s most iconic street characters.Go to https://baskandlatherco.com and use code REALREPORT for 20% offSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I had just had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on, black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice, super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast. Car pulls up on State Street. And I just hear, yo, what's up, Tommy? And the passenger side and the passenger side back seat, both two young bloods pulled out pistols. Did you mean? Yep.

And I just, I was just like, my, when immediately went through my mind, I said, I was thinking, you know, a million thoughts really fast. And I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna get shot. Fuck, I hope the bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my wife afterwards. But I'm sitting there just dead staring at these guys. I couldn't totally see the driver except he had a green baseball cap on. And they're like, they're like, you know,

so then two girls came around the corner. They screamed, ran away. And then the driver goes, and I'm just standing there. It's like just staring at these guys. And the driver just goes, man, I told you Tommy was that. Edward. I told you Tommy was that. He said Tommy was that. Yeah.

They wanted to see if he was going to run. And he said that because you didn't run. Yes. And I was just standing there like, you know, basically being myself and like, you know, just- They just look at the point of your time. Cold, I'm just like going through like, God, I hope this bullet goes through me.

I hope I can call my wife. How, like, where is it gonna hit? Like, I ain't 50. Don't hit me nine times. Just once is a good enough. And he gets down. Right. Right.

Shut the fuck the . Brumanns, roll it! You get movies with. Oh! You know when I first met murder. I was, do you remember this? I was driving on 8th F. With my man, Callie.

Yeah, and I'm driving up 8th Ave. And I just seen them walking. I was like, yo, murder! And he's like, oh shit, Tommy. Word. It's serious. It was like season two of the power show. See, that was the beginning.

I was like, yeah, that was the early stages. My man Calli used to always tell me he was riding your rap. I'm like, yeah, nah, you ain't riding no fucking Tommy. You really put out. Oh, shit, you really is riding Tommy or rap. Real shit. I still remember that. That was very, murder.

That's when I knew about hip-hop. Because that's when you started talking to me about all types of the rest of peace case slave. Oh, yeah, man. up with all that. That hit me so much harder than I, I, because it's like I became, obviously became friends with him because of the power show, but like he was like a hero to me because of the graffiti, you know, because he was des.

I mean, he was like original, you know, TMT. He was, he was one of the best. And he credited me for getting him back into graffiti. Look at that. And then, you know, then I would do his videos with him and blah, blah, blah. But like, he was just such an inspiration. And then when he, I did that song with Millie's. and who else was on that?

Oh yeah, you was rapping, right? Yeah, because he was like, he's like, yo, I have one of my own boys writes you, write your verses. I said, no, no, no, I'll write my own verses. And then I heard these guys, and I was like, yo, hey, stop to.

Pirate. Zostav to. I mean, leave it. Zostav to. Yeah, stop to. Shadai. Nadu. Nadu.

Stoy. Dobra, chopak. So? See? This is what I talk about. Mario, you gotta get a dog. See what I'm saying? See, they listen to.

This is why I'm gonna get him social, you're gonna rob a bank for me. Come on, bro. We got Joseph Sikora in the building. Yeah, this is Deverever Port. With his dog pirate, and we talk about Kay Slay, the relationship you have with him,

racing, Bys, yes, yes, indeed. Definitely. I think when he passed, I think you was reaching out to everybody. Oh my God, yeah. I think you reached out to me or somebody. There was something. Yeah, I hit you up. I mean, because I was hitting up Renee,

like, what's up with, And Renee's like, man, I haven't heard from him in a minute. And his brother, like, wasn't getting, you know, necessarily getting back to people. And we had just, I'd just seen them too. I'd just seen him because we did that cut with, with Millies. And, man, Pirate. Parch. You want to come over here?

You. They know I'm not a fan of dogs like that. And my man Joseph decides to bring his dog on the show today. Shout to all the dog, but I got three dogs. He decides to bring his dog. You want to get up here. You want to get up here? You want to get up here?

So just to show everybody who you work on my hush. You want to get up there? Oh, there's there. Oh, I love the stowa pirate. I don't got no problem with the train dogs. You know what I'm saying? My man Joe got him under control. Joe got him under control.

So, yo, so we got to hear his versal on that because I'm trying to, Millsy. Then we just have, we have a show. We just had Millsy on the show. Shout out to my God, Melzy. Millses, he's dope, man. That kid's dope. That's my God, man.

He came out to the Bronx. We were filming the power show. show. And he came out just to say, what's up? Like, season three, it was season three when I run over the guy, you know, in the red car. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, one to 10. Yeah, yeah. And Millsie came out. And then I looked him up. I was like, man, this guy's, this guy's fresh. I just remember one of my things was the most powerful in power with the powder. I'm like power steering. The gear that I'm clearing is cleared to the ceiling. I'm so nice with these bills. I'm so nice with this gear, these dollar bills is catching feeling. Woo. Talk that talk. Yeah.

Who you think is better? Him a ghost. Remember when the ghost is rhyming? We run very differently. Yeah, I'm going to go with Joseph. I'm going to go over there, Joe. Yo, but Joe, I know you come from Chicago and playing an intense character like Tommy Egan. Where do you get that energy from?

Like, how do you prep before you? I mean, a lot of it is like the prep prep work that you do just from being an actor. Like I tried to base him a lot on Dutch Schultz and read a lot about Dutch Schultz. You know, the Beer Baron of the Bronx, Arthur Flagenheimer was his real name. He was just, he was a rowdy dude, but also there was the humanity. There was this story of like when Lucky Luchano was creating the commission, the five families, he embarrassed was just because Dutch Schultz was late to this meeting. I remember.

He watched this movie, the Dutch Schultz movie that they had on him? Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah, me too. I like that. I mean, but he was ruthless. He was. That he would have rags that were soaking in gonorrhea, like gonorrhea. like gonorrhea water,

and he would hang guys upside down on meat hooks and wrap it around their eyes, which is intense. But then he was so sad that he cried in a meeting in front of these other gangsters because he got embarrassed from Lucky Luciano. And then also, how he got killed was he was killed in Newark,

and he was at a restaurant, and he went and he was taking his shit. His man, Albert and Estasia from Murder Inc. And shot him the toilet and they left thinking he's dead shotgun boom sawed off and he pulled up his pants crawled back to his seat and died drinking his beer at the table i was like what movie was that in too he hated his name right arthur he was like arthur flagenheimer yeah that's why he named

dutch shawks was in that what was the movie with um you know what i'm talking about um i watch it all the time dutch shalt was in it and um which was black actor man Oh, you're talking about the Harlem movie. He wasn't at the Harlem. He don't know what we're talking about with. It was the one in Harlem. With Bumpie Johnson. Lawrence Fishbrown.

There you go. Oh, yeah. That was, I never seen like a Dutch shows movie, but the Hudlam movie is what I knew Dutch shows for it. He died that same exact way on that. Oh, so they got it from him. Yeah, they got it from that movie, but that scene. There was some of that, like, that's, like,

I wanted that feeling of Tommy. But then it's like I also, you know, played around in the streets in Chicago and I based Tommy a lot on the guys I was scared of. Like you get into those situations and like these guys that are just, you know, you guys, I know you know. It's like where you get into that room and it's just the air is different. The vibration is different. And then there's that guy. And you're like, man, don't piss that guy off. Laugh at his jokes.

Make sure that everything runs smooth. And I was like, Tommy's going to be that guy. So that's how I played down I was your first day on set Because like when you look at power Like we put it up there with the wire Supranos You had a long run

Some of the best actors Like we see Michael Rainey Turn from a kid to a man on that show It was like what eight years And then Yeah it was eight years of run Six and a half seasons And Fifth called it out

Season 1 he said this show This show's gonna run for seven seasons And he was right I mean it ran for six and a half So technically that last season is seven It ran and I don't know I don't know if he had that in his mind beforehand or if it was like contract, whatever it was. I just was just like, Fitzsett, it's going to happen.

It's going to. How long is the whole power universe been going on? We started, people got cast in 2013, so 13 years. 13 years. Yeah, and we were in November. We were in November. We were some time up here. We'd be like 8, 10, so it's 13 years.

13 years. Yeah, and our first, the first season or the first shot of the, of that was ever filmed was me and Jay, who played Julio and we were in, we were in Queens, Woodside. And it was, and it was, it was Annabals, it was the taillinos in the back playing, playing dominoes. And we went back there. I still remember that day was, it was just great, you know, that was a great, it was a great day. Still remember it like it was yesterday.

Look at that. Look at that. Perfect storm, but a great cast. Omari Harwick was amazing as ghost. Yeah, ghosts. Come on. Everybody love ghosts. Yeah, Cinquah Walls, I thought was great as Sean, you know, Canaan's son, 50's son,

Cinquah Walls. You know what I always wanted to ask you, right? Like, you see how Michael and Giovanni, like, how they cool. But did you and Ghost ever have that off-camera relationship like that, like outside of work? Did you have a relationship like that? Well, we're a lot older, you know what I mean? We're both married. You know, he has a family.

He had his daughter and then his son. And I think, you know, he was busier in that way. like, yeah, we hung and we did a lot of the, we talked a lot. I think that we did more, I think, and I don't know what Michael and Gianni did in terms of character development together. But we talked about the characters a lot, and we went to Southside a lot and just went, you know, up and down different streets and picked out, okay, this is the chicken spot they went to.

This is the Washington. They went to, okay, Tommy probably lived here. And so we did a lot of that together and then talked about just more of, about work, I guess. Got you. But we hung a little bit, but yeah, he was a busy guy. Oh, right. So fast forward to 13 years later, right?

Yeah. How did ghosts feel? How did everybody on set feel when they knew Omar was going to die? Like, what was the feeling of that? Oh, and Omari was going to die when Ghost was going to die? Yeah, of course. Because Omari's alive still. So thank God.

I mean, you know, when Ghost was going to die, you know, I would say this. I think that, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth. I'm not, I don't know how he felt. I felt like, hey, man, somebody's got to die. I didn't know if it was Tommy. I don't know what was ghost. But I did know that it has to be a martyr for the thing to live on. Jesus had to die so the religion could live.

You know what I mean? Like the power show had to have this sacrificial lamb in some sort of capacity so that the subsequent spin-offs could work. Right. I still have no idea why mine was called force. But that was dope. No, get out of here. It reminds me of the police or Star Wars.

I see what you're saying. I see what you said. It's also every other one is named after a person. You got ghost. You got Canaan. And then you got Force? I was like, what is this? Nah, but it's still a rocker.

That was my joint, man. Oh, listen, the show was my shit. The show was good or it got good, seasons two and three, not just because I produced the second and third season. But that might be the reason. I'm just saying, might be the reason. Might be the reason. Might be, just saying.

Be modest, me. Just say. A bit more creative input, never hurt anybody. At this point, after you're doing something for a decade, you're like, listen, I might know what I'm doing here. Maybe no, so. But also, I was working with Gary Lennon at that point, who is my brother.

And I just think the world of him, he's one of the most incredible artists I've ever worked with in my life, Gary Lennon. He's a great one, boy, he's great. Now, with the first power, I always wanted to know, was your character supposed to last that long, or was it that you should started killing shit so much that they were like, oh, we got to write him in a little bit more.

You'd have to ask fifth. I think, I think it started, you know, it was definitely ghost was the lead, the lead, the lead. Yeah, because it felt like you started coming like a, yeah. And it kind of transition that it was a two-hander. Got you know, I mean, you'd follow the Tommy story and then you follow the ghost story. And then, you know, I think, I think the streets like Tommy because it was like, it was like, he didn't have no chill. Listen, you're a perfect.

You was the perfect drug dealer. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's almost... Because he wanted to be a drug dealer. Yeah, if you wanted to be a drug dealer, it's like, yo, he knows what he's doing. Kids stay in school. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm just saying? On the show, you was the perfect drug dealer. You went ghosts. It was like must-see TV. Like, one thing for me, I always say about power, anything that can make me run home, Sopranos, the Wire, Power, Snowfall, Godfather, Harlem. Like, those was like, like, yo, I got to go.

home and watch you guys. And then seeing how, like, it come from the beginning to 13 years later to now the origins is coming. It's going to make it past 13 now, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, just in terms of when origins comes out, it's probably going to take a, you know, a year and a half for that anyway, so it's going to take forever.

Definitely. Charlie's going to be a 30-year-old man by the time they're in season three. Shout out to Charlie. My man, Charlie, Charlie, man. Yeah, shout out to Charlie, man. It's so crazy, man. The legacy is crazy. Talk about Ozark, too,

because me and murder was just talking about it. Ozark was fun. When I auditioned for that, the casting director asked me what I had been doing for the last five years because, oh, you haven't been around. I said, I'm doing a show called Power. She's like, oh, are you a superhero in that one? I was like, no, it's a show.

It's on stars. I'm a gangstack. I'm kind of a superhero. Anyway, like, you're actually our superhero to some people. But this is after the Power show.

Yes, correct. And so I all did. Was you surprised that she didn't know already that you was? I was. I was. But it was, but it was,

it's going to take white people five years to catch up. Gotcha. Like anything out of the black community. That's crazy. It's going to take people five years. And it was right. It was right.

Five years. It was like everybody started watching Power again. Look at that. You know, you go to different places. You're in the middle of Ohio and somebody's just like, oh, yeah, you're Tommy from power?

I was like, yeah, actually. Mainly it was white people who would say white people would be like, oh, you're the guy who got his dick blown off in Ozark. I'd be like, yes. And then it would be like black and Latin people would be like, what's up, Tommy? Got you. You know, definitely.

Tommy, you good? Yeah, I'm good. Hang on. Well, yo, bro, you know the hood favorite, man. Everybody love power. Everybody love what you guys. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Coming from the hood favorites. I take that. Make sure y'all like, share and subscribe. Yes, sir.

We got the biggest actors on our show, man. Speaking of, speaking, if you want your own little piece of Tommy, man, go to my Instagram and in my bio and you get your Tommy chain right there. Make sure you get that Tommy chain. Make sure you get that chain. You know, when you got that chain on, some gangster shit is about that. That's right. Stop playing with my man.

But also, you protected. You're protected. It's right, St. Christopher. There you go. You know what I'm saying? You're protected. Yes, medals. Now, how did it feel when you found out that you was getting you?

in your own spin-off force when you found out, oh, shit. I was happy, but it took a long time. And I have to, I have to, and I, because I'm a fan of the Ghost Show, and I'm a fan of Raising Canaan. I love Raising Canaan. That was my, that's my thing. London Brown.

I love Raising Cane. I wish, I would like to watch the Uncle Marb show, too, because London Brown is amazing. Body, did, yes. And he's hilarious comic, but he is an incredible actor. I directed episode three of season five, of Raising Cane. Oh, that's what?

I didn't know. I mean the direct screen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And listen. Okay. There we go.

There we go. You guys are going to like it. It turned out really good. So I really like it. I was happy that it came out. I was also, again, it was like waiting and waiting because I was like, like, it's a, to be honest with you. And this is going to be slightly controversial.

And this is nothing against the ghost show, which I enjoy and was a fan of. But I was just like, why is a show? The power show was a show about two brothers. And one of the brothers died. And then it was like, let's wait two years before this. And it was just like, it was just a lot of waiting around. So I was very happy. But then also because I didn't produce the first season of it, it felt like an ill-fitting shoe.

I felt like it didn't totally feel like Tommy to me. I'm going to be honest to the first season didn't a little bit. Yeah. It didn't. It did. And I think that one of the things that was the mistake was when we got Gary Lennon coming back, who was born and raised New Yorker. from Hell's Kitchen, whose brothers were gangsters, you know, and all that. And, like, that's Tommy.

And what they didn't was, it's like, I'm from Chicago, sure, but Tommy's not. Exactly. And then when they had Tommy like, oh, but then Tommy, they were saying some stuff in some of the lines where I was like, wait, wait, because they were like, oh, Tommy would vacation in Chicago or something for a shit. I was like, how? He said, they had no money. And then, like, Tommy lived, remember that when he shows the picture to Kate?

He says, this is when we lived in Flushing before we moved to South Side of Jamaica. Like, this is where Tony Torresi is like. So we had this whole backstory that was kind of getting conflated. So it was very, very difficult. Because I care. Of course. Because I love the character. And I was just like, no, man, but like, we can't.

And then also just in terms of the gang history in Chicago, just didn't feel totally right to me. In the first one. Yes. And then because and then when Gary came in, Gary's like, well, all right, talk to me. What did we get? I said, first off, Chicago was the third most populous Mexican population in the world. Like we have to, and the Mexican gangsterism in the. there is huge. Also, it's just like, also the diversity within black gangster culture in

Chicago is vast. Yes. Yes. And not everybody is just like, yeah, bro, yeah, yeah. They're like, I'll kill you. You're not from my block. You know how it goes. It's like we can't have this kind of kumbaya type thing. Like, I would always say Chicago is a real place. Right. Let's show Chicago. And I think that we got there in a big way. And I think Gary had to kind of shrink a world to expand the world and I think he did. And then we got real. And I can even remember this third season, especially, I kept thinking, and this feels like power.

It was. I feel like it ended a little too fast. I know. We should have had a four seasons. Like, God damn. I feel like it ended too fast. Because we got our footing. Because there was so much drama now.

The brother just died. Oh, now it was about the-now-now-now-how-good it was King Keelow. How good it was King Keelow? Great. It was like, man, I thought that said. It should have kept going. Big baby, big baby brought it. I was so impressed with him.

He did. He did. Those big things. I mean, I was like, go get it, Glenn. To really be in jail, I did like, it's all maces. I know. I know I felt terrible from him. I think he's home now.

Yeah, I think he's home now. But yeah, it all amaze. It was good. For the fans, too, we hate that space. Like, well, you have shows popping and sometimes Stahl just give it that space. Like, wait it so long. Well, think about this. Between second and third season of the Power Force show, it was 22 months.

So almost two years. Yeah, he was complaining about that. Yeah. Yeah, it was complaining about that. I was like, yo, it takes so long. They're taking too fucking long, man. You're taking too long. So what was the reason like that?

You got to ask 22 months. Production property. You got to ask fifth. I don't know. I don't even want to pontificate because it doesn't, it doesn't, I can't make any sense of it. So it's just not.

Because most of the episodes is already, it was already done. Like it was a ready shot. We were locked and loaded for a long time. But Mark, it's not the only show because Godfather Harlem did the same shit. It takes long. Oh, sure.

And even think about the soprano sometimes. Like some of those. episode, one of those seasons took a long, long time, too. So it's something that I can't talk about because I don't know. Yeah, me neither. It just, it just annoys. It might know. It just annoys the fans.

Fifth will probably. Probably, though. I think it's more of a production thing, if, if anything, because a lot of other shows are doing it, too, like I said. Time slots or, you know, there's a lot of, it's not to say another G-unit thing, but the power of the dollar, you know what I mean? It's like, that's really what it comes down to. How can we say to these people to this publicly traded company, which Stars is, how do we make it make sense the best way for people are making money on the money they invested?

I'm sure that plays a part too. I've always been grateful to have a job. Definitely. Shout to Stars, man. I did a good job with Power to Force, Canaan, the MF. The list goes on and on and on. Tony Yale's favorite Outlander. Yeah, definitely.

Outlander. You know what you know is the question. You got to ask a Merck. What's that? You shout a commercial with Michael Jordan as a kid. Oh, Michael Jeffrey Jordan, baby. Shout to Michael Jordan, man. We need some sneakers up here.

We definitely do, Mike. Come on, Mike. How old was you and how was that? I was 13. It was 1989, I think. And maybe it came out in 1990, the commercial. But I was this beautiful blonde-haired boy going, it is Michael Jordan.

And I just remember him being, And you know, at 6.6, like you think about all the players now, like seven something, like, you know, 611 and all that. Michael Jordan at 6.6, you know, granted, I was small now, not that I'm, I'll never be tall, but he just seemed impossibly big and so like just lanky. And remember, this was, this was Jordan 89. So it was like it was before the before everything kind of exploded, exploded. But it was, it was amazing. Like Mike commercial? Like Mike?

No, no, it was... No, I wish it was that. This would put this, man, that was... That was before that commercial. It was before that. This paid for a lot of my college that commercial. Oh, look at that. Okay, look at that.

And my parents... So, I have been an actor. I'm about to turn 50. And I had been an actor since I was 10, so for almost 40 years in the business. Damn. Damn. That's some noise, man. That's dope, man.

And my mother, when I had the... the Screen Actors Guild in 1988. So I have been, will have been in the Screen Actors Guild for 38 years too. Look at that. And thank God for my mom because I just wanted to get a mischief in high school, but my mom kept paying the dues.

And so it's because of my mother that I have a decent pension. Look at that. Look at that. Thank you, Mom. Shout out the Mama Love. Set out the Mama Love. Set out the Mama Love.

What language was you talking to the dog though? The Polish. Polish. Yes. Yes. You're from Poland? No, I'm from the USA, baby. Your parents are back home?

Yeah, my crev, yes, the post. What's our favorite part of Poland? I would think there's a lot of parts of Poland. Polar was a nice place to go. I heard you guys love Poland. You were in Warsaw and... Worsaw. Walsaw.

Did we go there to you? Crackow? Crackow? Crackow. We went to Krakow. We went to Krakow. Name another one. Did we go there?

I don't remember that. But I remember that. Warkau and Warsaw. Maybe. Yeah. I heard that name before too. I heard that name before too. Somebody's...

It's spelled, it looks crazy when you spell it because in Polish there's the L with a slash through it because there's no W. I think we did go there. It's called... And then O with a slash is a U, so it's wuj. Like DZ makes a J sound. Yeah, like, oh, geez. What was the dish?

What they eat out there in Poland again? I forgot what kind of a special dish they got. They got a lot of stuff. You mean like pierogies or you're talking about... I think we have. We had parogis before. Gawmki. What that looked like?

That's a cabbage rolls. We had some kind of food out. I think, I know parogis. We had that. But there was some kind of food out there. The food specialist, the smoke. Oh, man. I mean, when you go to Germany, like I went to Germany, I went to Germany, I went, what was that?

Maybe last year, a Montero. And they had curry worst there. You know, it's, you, I don't know. Oh, yeah, I've had curry worse. But I mean, that's probably a more modern one because they wouldn't have had tradition. They wouldn't have had curry in Germany until. until recent times. That's what I'm saying.

But it was bugging. It was like got the curry powder and everything on it. It's taste, it's hitting. And where did you guys meet up with my brother? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. And then you guys, you also see me. I've been out there.

That hotel was like a house. Oh, yeah. I mean, it came with a butler and all type of stuff too. That hotel room was crazy. I think it was a rich Carlton we were staying at. It was a big, it was too much room. I had big conference room. We had kitchens.

Yeah, it was so big. It was like crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. sweet. Oh, man. And my brother is the, just so you guys know anybody. Yeah, but that's my God. Alvin, that's my God, man. Just got off the phone with him a little while ago. That's the fan. That's the extended party. Yeah. And didn't you guys also meet up with him in Czech Republic? We did. Exactly. Yep. And he hooked us up too with some. Yeah.

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You made TV appearances from 2005 to 2000. including major network shows like NYPD Blue. The finale episode, yeah. Crazy Anandemy, criminal minds, CSI, prison break, lost, and what else? And Jack Reacher was a movie with Tom Cruise. Oh, okay. 2000, we shot that one in 2010. Okay.

Man, if you haven't seen the movie, it's a good movie. Tom is great in it. I'm about saying you just said with Tom Cruise. I ain't know that, my brother. You know, Tom, Tom, I would work with that guy in a sense. second again. He was one of my favorite people I've ever worked with in my life. That guy loves making movies so much. Look at that. And he's such a nice guy. He's such a nice guy. I would love to meet Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is the best. He's the best. Every time anybody

talks shit about Tom Cruise, I'm like, you never met Tom Cruise. And two years later, I saw Tom Cruise with my wife. And I said, hey, what's up, T. T.C. turns around, he's like, Socorah. I was like, if this guy remembers me two years. I thought like, yeah. I thought you was amped. I know you was like,

who knows me? I was ham. Imagine Tom Cruise saying Tony A. Uncle Murder. But he would. You ain't here the best part he said about that.

He's with his wife. Oh, yeah. So he's with his wife for him to go, hey, T.C. He's seen him for him and trying to ride. You were like,

Sacora. You know what I'm saying, baby. Yeah. McConaughey's like that though, too. McConaughey is another stellar actor and also just a

great guy. Great person. Yeah, it's genuine guy. Got you. Yeah, Tom Cruise is definitely on the list of people to meet. Our last time we met DiCaprio, we was amped up. Felt like we didn't departed, Hat Lo. Yeah, he definitely has Hat Lo, look like...

Shelter Barry, Shelter Leonardo in Italy. That's a fair. I love the travel, man. That's one of the best things, man. Yeah, you guys at the World Tour, man. You guys are the Passport gang. Passport boys, you know that. We outside.

But all of them shows we named. How do you, is it, you feel like, like, how do you prep for those? like different characters. Because I come from the theater. So you just prep the same way you do every play. You do the research. You read the thing. Then you there's so funny. I was at a, a show at the Steppenwolf Theater in Chicago. And it was a, I used to wear this. This is people, I'm going to catch flag for this. It's a stolen valor moment for me, which is embarrassing. But I would wear my dad's friends, a Navy pico, real Navy pico, because then you could get in free with the, so I didn't have any money to go see these shows at like Steppenwolf or Goodman and stuff.

so you could go see the veteran shows. But one of the things this guy said, which acting is so much more complicated than this, and yet it is this simple. And he said, hey, can you tell me more about acting? Because it feels like you just get up, you just say the lines and then be that guy. And I was like, some of that shit is true.

If you can just say the lines and then just, but the being that guy is the complicated part. Turn into that character. And really commit. So some of these young people that you're interviewing, like Charlie and like, Gianni, I feel not bad for, but I feel like, ah, I wish they could have had acting before social media like I got to.

Right. Because it's like you risk, you can be, you could have been way more risky. And now you're at the place where it's like, yeah, of course everybody thinks I'm Tommy anyway. But it's like, it's like he, you know, you have to be like, you have to risk that people are going to be like, that's really this person if you're, if you're a rat or if you're, you're, you know, like, you know, a terrible person, but it's like, that's what the role called for. So you commit to being that guy. And I think now it's a much more difficult waters to navigate of, like, this guy being like that,

you know, really, really diving in. But also that, that set me up to, to be Tommy. Nostrovia. He said, Nostrovia. He said, Nostrovia, the dog sat down. I don't think murder ever pay a rat, though. He'd be like, no, I can't do that. He'll turn down.

Well, you know what? I mean, during the Tommy role, like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I didn't want to play, I wouldn't play any rats either because because I understand what perception is, I wasn't going to play a crooked cop necessarily or this or that. There were certain rules I'm like, it's not the right time for that. Gotcha. But there are, and especially like the old gangster guys from the soprano stuff, then they're like, no, no, I'll never play a rat. I can never play a rat.

And I get it. I can get that. Like, you're never going to do this kind of role, never going to do that kind of role. I get it. Yeah, people in the streets will want to knock you out because I think people. I don't even think they want to knock out, but they can just use that against you. No, but in the streets, people, like, they're not calling them Joseph. They're calling them Tommy.

You better believe. How do you feel what people did, though? Yo, Joseph, how you deal with that, like, probably some people, more people calling you Tommy than your actual name? Here's what the boss said. This is what 50 said. He said, look, I'm not saying you got to be Tommy. You don't have to act like Tommy.

You're not Tommy. But when people call you Tommy, think of it like this. They're paying real emotion. Like what they feel about Tommy is real. Right. So, and if you say you. say, if you tell them how you're stupid, that's just fake. That's like telling somebody that paid real money into a bank. The bank is fake. But I paid real money. Oh, but it's a fake bank. Then they're

going to be mad. So you legitimize them by saying, you'd be like, hey, Tommy and be like, hey, I played this role so well that they're so invested that they want me to be Tommy. And you just say, thank you. And it ain't that hard. So was it at a time? Did it annoy you? Was it a time? It never annoys me unless I'm like, if I'm also a human being, if I'm tired and I don't feel like being Tommy and somebody's just like, you know, Tommy, or like it's like, you know, I'm rushing somewhere and somebody's like, you know, Tommy, come here. I'm just like, no. Yo, look, Berta, I felt like that with ghosts. Like, I felt like that was his mistake because he was a killer in a suit. We were so used to ghosts and you and we just wrapped up in the street. You, ghost, Tommy, that's all they're going to call you in the street at that time.

And then he made that conscious record, my name, who killed ghosts? He was breakdancing and had the beads on his neck and was like a conscious rapper. I was like, nah, man. Because people look at that character. Yeah, but you got to, you got to affirm people. They say, we love, they're saying, I love you. Right. Basically, you know, like tough guys in the street.

So, Tommy. And it's just, you're just like, so, man. Got you. You know what I got you. I feel, you know what I'm just really a gangster like that. Because that's what people are really, you want to hear, want to hear a crazy story? Uh-huh. First season of the Power Force show, I was in Chicago and I was just having dinner with Mark

Canton and he's like, take a cab home. I said, nah. I was like, and I was looking like Tommy had just had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice, super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast. Car pulls up on State Street. And I just hear, you know, what's up, Tommy? And the passenger side and the passenger side back seat, both two young bloods pulled out pistols. Did she was? Yep. And I just, I was just like, when immediately went through my mind, I said,

I was thinking, you know, a million thoughts really fast. I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get shot. Fuck, I hope the bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my wife afterwards. But I'm sitting there just dead staring at these guys. I couldn't totally see the driver, except he had a green baseball cap on.

And they're like, they're like, you know, and then two girls came around the corner. They screamed, ran away. And then the driver goes, and I'm just standing there, it's like just staring at these guys and it got the driver just goes And I told you Tommy was that N-word I told you Tommy was that inward

So Tommy was that man Yeah They wanted to see if he was going to run And he said that because you didn't run Yes and I was just standing there like You know basically shitting myself And like you know They just they're just looking at the point

You're like cold I'm just like going through like God I hope this bullet goes through me I hope I can call my wife How like where is it going to hit Like I ain't 50 Don't hit me nine times Just once as a guy

You know, like, so I'm thinking like that, they said this and then, and then as, as the, right before they took up the one kid in the passenger side said, we, we fuck with you, Tommy. And I called, and I was like, I was like, you know, I know there's cameras around. I'm like, geez. They was like, pull out the blicks and let's see if Tom. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Yeah. I like that's great. That's what I was like. I was like, hey, town, you got me. Not that I like that. I just said I like that, but I like kind of played out. Yeah, yeah, me too.

Yeah, I like I play out. Yeah, you say you. I like that. You said you like the he didn't run. You like the heat and run. I like that he didn't run. I like that he didn't run. And I like that they then take it extra far.

The car was so cool. I was like, there's nothing I can do. But these guys are gonna fire, they're gonna fire. Right. But that's how wrapped up people get caught up in the character. In the character. We still call Lorenz Tate. Oh, though.

Yeah. Because that's a classic movie. Boy, Lorenz movie. How is a classic show. So you're gonna always be, you know, Tom A. It's not, it's a classic. Like you said, it's on all these networks now. You could see it on what, Netflix now?

I don't think it was on. It's on Netflix, UK and Netflix, Ireland. And then it's like on a million things. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on who. All over. It's all over the place, too. All over.

Yeah, but it's, it's, it was. 50s and action TV. There you go. 50s an action TV. Fiff's doing it, man. Fiff's doing it. It's funny. He told me a million years ago that there's somebody that I won't even name any names

that we'll all know everybody's talking about. I said, why is this person's thing? It's never, it never going to, it's never achieving success. He said, because this person thinks they can do it all themselves. And he goes, I hired the best people. So, like, Fifth, Fifth is also incredibly empowering in the way that, like, he always was, like, believed in you as an actor and would always be like, you know, like, first season, man. You're killing this, bro. You're killing this.

Kill this. Keep, keep doing it, man. Like, you know, like, it was always felt good. Like, somebody who I believed in, believed in me. Definitely. You know, that was. Yeah, because everybody thinks they could be an actor, but you've been doing this, y'all. whole life. Talk about your early life of theater and your mom supporting you. Oh my God,

my mother drove me to all these auditions. It was like I went, did a play in a suburb called Lake Forest. And later in life when I hear people seeing they grew up in Chicago, but they grew up in Lake Forest, I was like, I can just remember, it's going to take us like 45 minutes to get to Lake Forest. And I grew up, I only grew up a couple of miles from the suburbs, but it's basically like where I grew up would be somewhere, you know, would be like Queens, but then then all of the Lake Forest would be somewhere like would be like like Greenport Long Island or something, you know, like way out there. Anyway, it's it was a lot. It was constant. It's 40 years of never having a real break. Like I keep threatening to like take time off where I'm

not thinking about the next job. I've never not thought about work or the next job or the next thing for 40 years of my life. Constant rejection. And I also like I'm not a, a. great looking guy, you know, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm fine looking and I'm like, my old manager said this. She said, look, let, I'm just going to, I'm just going to call it out, you're a seven, but you're sexy's a 10. Um, I love that. Shout out Merna Jacoby. Um, but she was, she's right. I mean, I'm not, I'm not like a super handsome guy, but I'm a great actor and because I, I commit fully and I work hard and, and thank God, it paid off at some Because the power show, people are like, why did you take the power show?

I'm like, because the check cleared. Are you crazy? What the check cleared? He said the check cleared. Wow. The check cleared. Shout to stars in 50. Yeah.

Shout out to 50. 50 was always a great boss. He's been an incredible person, nothing but love. And he's really smart. And he likes stuff. Like, you know, when he gets to like, he's like a kid. He loves art and he loves, he loves music. I never met anybody.

they love music more than 50. Like all the stuff at, you know, when you'd just be sitting around the G-unit offices when we were on 40th. Yeah, definitely. And just at the time, like, three hours, the same song. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me put this little bitty thing out here,

like this, all right, let's listen again, everybody just, you know, surviving. It was fun. Yo, we love to work over here. Can we talk about the new show, man? Oh, a reasonable doubt? Yes, reasonable doubt. Can I just tell you the showrunner of this show,

Ramallah Muhammad Hunter, is she's a unicorn. She is outstanding. She's a brilliant writer. She's an amazing person. She had the faith in me. Shout out to Len, her husband, who was just like, when they were looking for this character. And he goes, what about Joseph Sikora?

And she said, and she even said this to me. She's like, who? He's like, Tommy from power. She's like, oh, yeah. He could be great. That's crazy. And that's funny because in Brooklyn, I get a lot of people that start, you know, they're like, Tommy, Tommy, I like you as dad lawyer. You're up to something

But I like you as that lawyer So it's always going to be Tommy Which I don't mind It's all good But it's like Fifth said this once He's like Joe you're always going to be Tommy He goes he goes If you went an Academy Award

Somebody's going to be like You know the one where Tommy plays the doctor Yes That's crazy That's crazy Because you can get stuck in character But he's not stuck in character Because he's doing so much other stuff

Of course But a 13 years of a show Hell of you We don't remember Tommy 13 year run Tommy dog by the way over there, scaring some people. Yeah, pirate.

He's tired and I, scared with our back, he's scared with our production team back there. Pirate. Shadai. If you scared of pirates, I don't know what's going on with you. Not doing. How long you've been a dog level for, man? Stoy.

We're gonna get murder a dog, man. What kind of dog would you get if you got a dog? A pipple? Definitely not. No, oh, really? Oh, man. Pirate. I gotta get something little.

French. Really? Yeah, I heard, I heard. Well, what about the pirate? The pirate's little. Pirate is too big. Pause. Two big.

Pirate is too big? Yeah. No. Pirate look a little too big. No, he's like 45 pounds. Like, do pirate leave hair around the house and stuff like that? And I wear black. See, see?

I was telling it. I said I don't like the hair. I don't like the dog. You got to get a dog that doesn't show. I don't like none of that stuff. Oh, I wanted to ask you guys this. How did this come about? Just because you do a million podcasts?

I mean, you know, you know, they was laughing at me. The podcast king over here? You know, when he's on a jet, they used to laugh at me. Why are you doing Vlad? Why are you doing it? Yeah. Vlad and pass-cruid. Everybody started copying the Yale format.

Everybody, now murder's on Vlad. Whole bunch of rappers on Black. Hold on, let me finish talking. Let me finish talking. Let me finish talking. Go ahead. Everybody, I was doing Vlad. Everybody was doing Vlad.

Uncle Murder. Shut out to my man, Vlad. Now, Vlad is his best friend. Yeah, I'm not mad. No, shout out to Vlad. I never did Vlad either. You know, good Vlad either, yeah. Now, Uncle Murden in a list of rap.

rappers are doing Vlad and then, you know, list of rappers are doing She and a shop, and then they want to do Breakfast Club, but Yeo just kept working for three years. I learned to work like 50. So now I'm executive producing a movie called Lake George. Make some noise from me. Yeah, Lake George, you can't.

Let's make some noise with my brother, Yeo. Let's make some noise with my brother, yeah, yeah. I gotta make moves, man. Yeah, yeah. And then fast forward, you know, we sat down with Fat Joe. I think we was in shout out the Fat Joe. Shout out the Fat Joe. Shut out the Jay to Kiss.

Netflix. Shout out the Breakfast Club on. Netflix too and we was talking we was at Belgium something we was in one Germany we was Germany somewhere and he was like yo he gonna talk to the volume people for from us so it's crazy for an enemy to turn you know to get oh yeah yeah and then you know me and murder we was like that was the biggest beef definitely yeah fadjo beef was crazy they would have caught me they would do me in a trunk or something like that or we you know you know that's what they that's what that's what would have felt bad for that trunk

yeah I got you over the trunk I would have been good man we was I was a wild boy back then like I was number one on hip-hip police list back then. Before the Wayne, I was number one. Curly Top, he know who he is. Everybody knew Curly Top. We had one police man called Superman. He was tall. He'll pull you out by your belt. He knew everybody's name. Like hip-hop police, they still got them now. That's why you see all these rappers in jail because they take all this intelligence on hip-hop preferably.

Yeah, no, disproportionately of like using an art as a weapon, you know what I mean? But rock stars ain't shooting each other. Rap is awesome. Yeah, that's fair. Not a whole lot of them. That's how they look at it. Like, you know what I mean? So that's how they look at that, man.

That's true. That's true. But now, are you a civilian now? No, no. No, no. No, no. He won't take that civilian. I'll never be a fucking civilian.

That's right. I don't know why you're not a civilian. No, I just said you're not a civilian. Listen, pirate, pirate, are you a civilian? Pirate is a civilian. Pirate is a civilian. Yeah. Pirates, it's a civilian.

That's cool, pirate. Murder was scared. Like, um, Pirate wasn't a civilian. Yeah. But you never know. You don't know. He's got a look.

I'm not going to lie, man. He's got a look. He's got a look. I was a little upset when I walked in here. And I'm like, yo, he really got a dog in here? No, I love it. Now, I'm going to bring my dog in here. My bog is like probably 120 pounds.

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Well, you directed things already, but what would be one of like, what kind of movie would you want to direct with a big budget and a big film? Oh, man. I mean, so many films I would like to direct. I'll tackle that question first, but I would like to tell a Chicago graffiti story. And partially because we all know that graffiti started right here in NYC. And listen, I'll love to Philly, but this is the birth of graffiti. I just Chicago just had this I mean obviously that's where I grew up and and started bombing.

Also had some great times bombing here in New York and shout out to so many of the South Bronx guys that I got together with and Tats crew guys who let me paint in their train in the back with Yves Rivera. But a Chicago graffiti story that would take place in the late 80s, early 90s, my era, just again, the graffiti. squad, those particular cops. Beach Street. So you watch Beach Street and all that back. Of course. But it's mainly the Style Wars, the documentary that came out in 83 featuring Case Lay, featuring Des and seen and Cap and some of these just amazing characters was so influential. We would literally watch that on a VHS tape before we would go do missions every time and just get inspiration from New York. But because Chicago graffiti is so

immersed and based on gang culture that it's um it's just a little bit different we had to have a guy shout out fat fred because i know he'll watch your podcast fat fred shout to fad yeah from the south bronx he changed chicago graffiti in the way that like new yorkers were like no no we don't have it because in chicago if you write something backwards you know it's flipping the gang it's like you put up just per se if you're you're like you know this would say simon city royals and underneath backward you say latin kings because it'd be like to you know they won't you know you don't want kings in this hood, blah, blah, blah. And so Chicago, the graffiti would play by the same rules as that.

You know, you would have basically the same guys in a gang that you had in a graffiti. You know, and a lot of gangsters, like from different gangs and different sexes. This could be a whole other show. Could be on the same crew. But like they would be fighting gangs. This is still back when we had nations in Chicago with folks and people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it would be, it's so, I think the inner workings and the whole warriors aspect of it, of something in Chicago like that at that time

and would just be, that would be something and you'd need a budget. It'd be something that I would love and I would love to do. Some of my favorite directors that I would ever want to work with. One director that I would want to work with again is Chris McCrory who directed Jack Reacher.

He's just mainly because he's fun. Like I don't care about Marty Scorsese who I got to work with on Shutter Island and then Boardwalk Empire. And Marty was great again because he was nice though too. And he, I was in the pilot episode. I was Han Schroeder. That's where I'm, yeah.

Oh, I was like, that was my shit. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember the, it was the first one. You guys can, everybody can Google that. My man Joseph and Boerwalk Empire. That's right. That was a fun, that was a fun show. But again, he's a nice guy.

And it's like, I don't want to work with anybody because they're like, oh, this guy's, this guy's an amazing director. I'm like, if he's, I'm 50 years old, I don't care. Like, if he's, I want him to be nice. Definitely. I want her to be amazing, you know. I want them to be a good person. That's what I care about.

And you, because you can be all of those things. And that's definitely a Tom Cruise thing. Like, he's amazing at his craft, but he's a good guy. It's like, FIF, I, I've put FIF in that category. You know, he's, he's somebody who's accomplished more than most. But he's still, like, he's still a good guy. Like, when people, people have Fiff and they're like, oh, King of Petty. and King of this. Yeah, he's got time. Of course. But also, people don't see him being kind with

little kids, people with disabilities. He stops the line, stops. I've been there at bottle signings where he's like, like, what's that person way in? Go get that person. Bring this person up here and gives so much love. What 50 has done with Gunity is not talked about at all. Like I don't understand why Moore is not made with what he's given back to the not only his, community in an urban environment way, but also just across board. Like, look at what he did to Ukraine before the Ukraine war. He was donating money to all of these impoverished places in Ukraine and getting the love back from these students who he changed their lives.

So it's people like that that I want to work with because there's enough incredibly talented people, but I want to work with the people who are cool. And I never met Chris Columbus, but I'd like to work with him too, a lot of his movies as well. We got a segment where we do, this or that, right? Oh, is it a Black She, is it a Black Sheep album? No, I mean, you know, black, I don't know your hip-power. I like you know your hip-power. But it's like this or that.

So I know you was born in Chicago. Look, I know you was- That's the first time we're doing this, this or that. I don't know. I don't even know about it. I just made it up right now. Oh, okay. I'm about saying, you said something we did it.

We did it a while ago. We did it? It's about to be. It's about. It's about. I guess it's a new part of this show. No, I got to ask him. This or that.

Because he's from Chicago, but he's from New York now. Now, whose pizza is better? Chicago or New York? Oh, my God. Well, hands down, New York. I mean, it's not even a competition. Oh, shit. Thank you.

New York City, baby. Okay. New York City, no doubt. But in Chicago, what people don't understand is that deep dish is more of a touristy thing. And it's not like, you don't order a pizza pie and you're just like, let me get a deep dish. It's like, especially if you grew up in the city of Chicago. you get a thin crust. And what we call them in Chicago, we call them a tavern because, you know, we cut them in squares.

And what that came from the origin of that was that Chicago pizza pies, I believe were cut in triangles in Chicago until after the war, the Great War II. The Second World War, anyway, the Great War, I guess, was World War I. But anyway, when the guys came back, you had to serve food with your drink, with alcohol. So they would have these little ovens in taverns and bars and you'd slide in a pizza or you'd make a pizza. You'd slide it in there and then you'd cut up in square so a lot of people could have it. It's also called family style. So you order a pizza on Friday night. If that's your pizza night with the family, boom, and then everybody, you get the little cute little corners.

I always like the little tiniest corner. But that's a good pie. Like I love, my wife is from Jersey and, you know, she's just from, you could see Manhattan from her backyard. So she's right there on the border of Lyndon and Elizabeth anyway. It's like I brought her to my favorite pizza joint, thin crust. I said, what do you think of that? And she's like, me. I was like such a New Yorker response.

Margaritas, baby. My two favorite spots in Queens. I'm gonna say, well, three, I'll say margaritas, Gabby's, and now cuts and slices. Those are my three spots. What about you? Merger ain't got no favorite pizza spots? I like margaritas.

I say Margar. In Queens? Well, you're not from Queens, though. You're from Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. Yeah, but listen. See, I shot people in Queens too before. Oh, my God.

When I was on the run, I hung out in Queens for a while. And I used to go to Margaritas. So Margaritas was good. It was also a spy in East New York on, on, what was that on? I think it was Liberty and... Utica. No, not Utica. This was in East New York on Liberty and like, Winkin.

It was a spot over there that had a dope piece of spot. We used to fuck, but I don't know the name. It wasn't my little. a pizza guy like that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it was cool. I love pizza. Me too.

I grew up. Margarita's been on Jamaica Avenue for like 30, 40 years. Maybe you're gonna get in that. Yeah, I love Table 87. It's over by me in Brooklyn. It's a great spot. Not always the best help. You guys could be a little bit.

You know, table 87. Come on. Come on already. Don't make them turn the top. No, I mean, sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry you have to work here. It's like, I'm sorry you have to make pizza. Get a different job. job. It's a good pie, but Jesus Christ. Now, do you like, because y'all trains are similar to

hours. Do you like riding the train in Chicago or versus New York? Chicago trains getting back have gotten so disgusting and so rowdy. This is on like, this is on my line, which we used to call the O'Hare Congress back in the day, but now it's called the Blue Line. And there was a, you know, this couple, the middle of the day. And I was like, this is not the trains that I would, I mean, there was rowdy shit, but this is when this lady just has a crack. pipe in the middle. Like, I don't see as many like just like outward crack pipe stuff on in New York. Mainly I'm in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

And I'm not even like far Brooklyn or anything like that. Or like I'm not way up in Manhattan. So I'm, you know, kind of the centralized district where I'm, the rowdy shit happens at the end of the line, as we all know. But I just feel the Chicago trains have just gotten so rowdy, man. The York is so rowdy. Yeah. Yeah. But when I ride the train, because I ride the train almost every day.

In New York. You like it. In New York. Yeah, of course. Here. And I think I like the train system here a little bit better. I only did the yards here one time. And the yards in Chicago, yards here seemed a little bit easier. In Chicago, it just seemed like Fort Knox. And, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

And this train system is just more, you can get everywhere here. It's like, I took the trains as a kid in Chicago because I enjoyed it. But here, it's like it's just a smart way to travel. And Caseley always used to tell me because I would send him pictures I'd go and I'd do some insides after I had it because he'd get me so hyped to be like, bro, that's a felony.

Don't go to jail putting me up, man. I'm like, yeah, but I got so excited. I did too, and MC, I also did some tags. I did some, my name and then I did, I put up MC Search because I was, I had done his podcast or something. He's just, he is the same thing. Third Base.

Yo. MC Search Third Base? Yeah, of course. That was one of my favorite groups back here. They had, they had some good, they had some, He's a, he's a gas face was it. You got the gas.

The gap, that beat was so hard I remember when they came out with that. That was my joint. You got the gas. Even though we are looking for the Brooklyn. We are looking for the Brooklyn Queens. Who me? Who some more your favorite rappers from way back? Oh, well, speaking to East New York, Jay Rue the Damager.

I mean, just like, we ran to him a while ago overseas. He's still doing a show. Shout to Jesus. Yeah, man, but what a, what a dope? What? that beat, dude. And he had a ton of crazy beats like that, that were like eerie. His beats was different. And it was always like this, I'm like, teb-butt, you know what I mean? Like, it was like, I'm taking, I'm taking to take you on this adventure. And I was like, I'm a little scared,

but like, I'm down. Like, who else did I love? Just MC style stuff. I mean, that was just like, you know, that late 80s, early 90s was so much the golden era. Like, you had such different flows. Like somebody like Eric Sermon's rhyming so different than somebody like Q-Tip. One of my favorite quotes ever. I mean, just come on, Eric and Parrish making dollars. You're just like, yes. They made me win.

I want to do that. Yeah. Slick Rick, Dougie fresh. You had Big Daddy King, Eric. KRS won all the BDP guys. Hey, man, I love De Nice's albums. I'm telling you. My name is De Nice.

Yeah. I remember he was a rapper. Yeah. Yeah. And his second, his follow-up album was dope. to the rescue to the rescue nice to the rescue yeah I remember I remember I remember I remember I'm gonna set things up with a freestyle to all you little fighting emcees was that on the on the on the soundtrack my name is D nice so on that was on that was on the first that was his

that was on the first album oh that was on the first out but that wasn't on the side think it wasn't a sound check I'm gonna get you suck or something like that yeah miss melody was raping miss melody miss melody yeah kid Capri whatever happened to miss melody mr was no yeah she was dope she was You know she was part of Bdp? You remember Miss Mottie? No. I thought you were a little hugging. We saw KRS at the last Essence Fest.

It was great to me. I mean, it was just, it was amazing. But also, we had met KRS a million years ago. And we did, I didn't do it, but my crew did it. Like we linked up crews, J4F, my crew in Chicago and BDP. And these guys, civil, shout out to civil, Matt, I love you. did a top to bottom BDP car and he was dope though too just like talking to us way back in the day and then to see him again he was like he was yeah he was he was real you know lyrical champions

those these guys were fresh and then just to learn that KRS one you're like one yeah was he a writer and you're like then you listen to the rhymes and yeah he talks about getting up also third base mentions that we love that because it was like um we had a song called product the environment is like a marker in my jacket to tag up where I went because I was just the product of the environment. Yeah, hip hop had more elements back then. You had breakdancing graffiti. I played a major part back then.

Yeah, I always felt like I was part of hip hop culture. And of course, I like rap music. But I was just through graffiti. I was like, and also it was so inclusive back then. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, you're like this. So that's this. It was kind of like, you know, white, black, brown.

I mean, you had to work a little harder as a white guy. But you know what I mean? To get, yeah, they got to show. I mean, but it wasn't like, you know, I have to be the baddest or the toughest or this or that. You got to show up. You got to keep showing up and what the fuck you're doing. But it was also just in terms of like just the different elements of hip hop kind of of was like if that was your life, because you guys know, like, if you're a graffiti writer, like, all of your friends are graffiti writers.

That's all you do. And that's all you talk about. So like, that's your life. you're just like, I'm, I am hip hop, you know? And I mean, or at least you have that as part of your identity. But now it seems harder and more judgmental, maybe. Yeah, but I think you're doing it for something. Oh, he's just trying to do this.

Yeah, or like, you know, being, oh, you're, you're appropriating culture or like this. And it's just like, I like it. And I like, can I like this? I want to rock it like this. It's like, and like even New York, like, just back in those, those times, like, you guys made your own style. But like, style, style, style. Now it's kind of, it's so much more uniform. Like, people don't take risks with fashion as much

just to rock out on the streets or to do stuff. Whatever the trend is now. Yeah. Trend is they going with the trend. Yeah. And it was different back then. It was a lot of positive things in music back then. Yeah.

You heard brand new being, they was talking about, you know, the track man, the crack man, he comes and said, what's done? I don't smoke jumps up, what's you knocking for? Like, it was like. I mean, poor righteous teachers. Poor righteous teachers. I always talk about self-destruction. We've seen the whole industry get together

and was, you know, talking about how we was destruction. That was big for me, like, to see all the rappers as a kid watching that, that was, like, crazy for me. And then the chains and then the eight ball jackets and, you know, it coincided with niggas hustling back in the days. You had the Honda scooters and the elites. And it was like, damn, you look at rappers and drug dealers like as the same at a point.

Because those were our heroes and hug. Yeah, sure. But the 80s to me, that time of hip hop was crazy. Slick Rick had his own flow. Oh, my God, yeah. Well, because he came from when we learned that he came from England, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, that whole thing he almost had that. Just his whole story telling used to have me just like, oh, my God.

To me, Slick Rick was the jury. He set the trend for that crazy ridiculous jury. Oh, yeah, big rock chain. All of them, they had pieces like, Nefertiti piece. Yep. You know, Eric B had his joint, Rakim, they had their joints, but Slick Rick was always 10-Change.

He's still rocking the big chains. 20 chains. I know. Dougie Fresh. And Slick Rick, I just loved that he was just talking such shit at the Power Force premiere to that he was like, nobody's flossing out here, you know? I was like, yeah.

He's ridiculous. That song, When you see me walking down the street, it never gets old. That beat, it's just like, I don't know. It was just a nostalgic time's hip-hop for me. 100% yeah I just loved that it was a it was a golden era and all of that stuff just like Zulu nation and you just kind of had like this kind of interesting inclusivity but also just like I don't know like even like even stuff that was like like black empowerment didn't feel like I can't listen like it's like I know X Klan wasn't necessarily made for me but I could fuck with X Klan if I wanted to black the green they was that to the east my brother to the east And you remember the DJ too, because like I even say, Public Enemy, I always remember Terminator X. Yeah, Terminator X, yeah.

It was just like, I don't know, just a nostalgia. And also, I always was something like with Run DMC or just like, damn, like Jay never even cared about getting credit like that. He was just like, I'm here. Like I'm definitely. Yeah. The DJ was such a part of it, too. Speaking of which, is my man Chubby Chubbys, is he still keeping the weight off or way? Yeah, Chubby Chubb actually.

Yeah, I know. I know. We keep checking with each other. Yeah, he'd be working out. Yeah. We've been checking in with each other. Going hard, man. Keep it as well.

And you know, when you got the military workout in the morning with 50 cent, you know how that is. Yeah. So that's how we is overseas. We, you know, we see him leave off the road and go and go do fucking film shit. So like, that's true. Yeah. That's what people got to understand.

Like say me a murder want to be in a movie, right? Because people always say, you know, how do I get in power? When do they shoot and like, how do I, what do was like somebody have to do to like just to get in power or let go to shoot, you know, screen for a part. Like, what do we have to do? Where do you go to look? I know, you got an agent, obviously. Well, that's the whole thing.

People ask me all the time, like, oh, how could I be in the background or someone? I have no idea. I don't talk to the background people. Or like, the main thing is that in terms of working in the industry is like work, begets work, begets work. I started because I started in the theater. And then you do this job. And then it's like you, these little rolls come through to Chicago back in the day. And then you kind of had to move to either New York or Los Angeles.

And I shouldn't, I should have just stayed in New York because Los Angeles aid me up and spit me out. And I, and I had this, I kept coming back to New York for work. Like I was on a show called Third Watch here. I was in on Broadway here. I was in other plays here. And then boardwalk, finally boardwalk was the job was I'm not going back to L.A. LA hates me. It was too hard. It was too hard. And I hated, I mean, I was poor in New York. I mean, I lived off nothing when I lived on Mulberry Street for years. I would eat the dollar

vegetables on a canal. What the fuck is a dollar vegetables were these plastic bags in Chinatown and they would have basically day old vegetables. Sometimes you open up that bag, it smells like farts. You're just like, I'm still eating that food. And you make, you get, you'd get the, the, I'd get the day-old vegetables and I would get 99 cent dumplings. You get six dumplings. I would have the regular dumplings, six of them for lunch with some sort of the vegetable. And then I would chop up the rest of vegetables and make a soup and then chop up the dumplings and have that a soup.

And every other day, every third day I'd have, there was a place where you could get a 40 ounce of Budweiser for 249 right across the street from the tombs on Baxter. And so I would get like that would be, that would be my drink. I'd have that and that. I mean, I was skinny, mini, just doing pull. pushups and living on that and had no money. But like, I loved it. I was like, I'm saying, but what made you keep going when you, you that's going?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I would cry to myself to sleep some nights thinking like, Lord, please, what else can I do with my life? This is outrageous.

This is too hard. It's, it's, this is, you know, the, and it's mentally, you know what I mean? I mean, way more people have it way worse than I had it. Of course. But every man's journey is personal. And so it's like when you have no money and you're an adult, you can't take a girl out on a day. And this is your past. So you're trying to achieve your dream as well and things that's not working.

I mean, I always was able to thank God my dad taught me how to put up what we would call drywall. Everybody here called sheet rock. Yes. So you could put up some. I definitely say sheet rock. Yes. You put up some sheet rock. And I always, and I was always able to make money on, you know, buying just

buy as much marijuana as I could afford and you just be the guy who's awake. Shout out to the Yuli Dispo, the high brand. We got a dispensary, 246-0-01, so whenever somebody mentioned weed and so we got to shout out our, you gotta do it. It must be done.

Now, and another thing I'm gonna ask. That whole of a back-cust-door, you say like, you were smoking, to me, you were just figuring it out like, like, I always, since I was a teenager, I was always able to be like, Riefer will always make you money. You just have to be available.

Rifa. Yeah, I mean. You know he owns good. It's like, you get it. Rifa is what they used to call weed back in the days for people that don't know. Gardening. Gardening for you. Gardening.

Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Gardening for you, too. I like that gardening. Those jazz cigarettes. You know, I don't want to really ask you because, you know, I quote a couple of Broadway shows. Like, I think it was Martin Luther King with Samuel Jackson. and Andrew Abbasset, like, years ago I see it was like real good.

I've seen that. And I think I just recently, like maybe a couple of, maybe last year I've seen the Michael Jackson on Broadway show. How was it working on Broadway? Because Broadway, like, we New York City. That's like, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's been a while since I've been, it's been a while since I've been on Broadway. It's been a while since I've been on stage, really, be honest.

But that, when that is your life, you don't, it's daunting looking back doing eight shows. Like I was gonna I was up for a role in a Broadway show that was like Was in a big role and it was like the play I was like the people who were the leads in the play I'm like mm and then my agent was like oh it could be it could be good look I said no no you go do eight shows a week for a show that you don't like love It's a lot of work. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of like you got to want to be there so much. It's a lot It's a lot and I love theater it's it's a it's a lot and I love theater it's it's a the best feeling of world. But I got stage fright on Broadway when I did Broadway.

I had the director during intermission, yell at me all crazy. That fucking show is ruined because of you and the choices that you're making. And I was just like, what the fuck, Jerry? This is Broadway, motherfucker. And I know.

Why the choices you was making? Well, because I had decided just on a whim because that's, listen, that's how I played Tommy. I just do, if some shit is in my mind, I'm going to try it. And they had, my guy was a military guy. he's walking down all military in his blues and blah blah blah and that first of all I was just like this guy's about to go to trial though and it was very stylish I'm like what if I was just like all hunched over and I walked in and kind of slouched in and I think it just blew his mind that I would

try something different but we were running like the show is running it's not the director has to let that show go the director is the director until you open and then they come back and they give you notes you know during the run but it's pissing the more if he still had to let you let you you come out the 100th? Well, he, he, he, I mean, I lost my shit. I, he yelled at me. I had never, because this was in 2006. So if you think about it, that was, it, it took me nearly 10 years. Season three of the Power Show was the first time after that event that I felt like I, didn't have stage fright, like crazy. I used to take beta blockers to audition because I would get so scared. Even when I was auditioning for the Tommy roll, I, I, I was, I was, I was,

I took a beta blocker so my heart rate couldn't get like super heavy. Oh, for real? Yeah, because at first you were like, oh, my, if I take this drug, is it going to, am I going to still be able to emot or is it, I'm going to be real? And it's like, yeah, dummy. It's just you just, you're not going to be like, I'm so scared. Yeah, so, you know, so it was very helpful. But yeah, it took me, took me over 10 years to get over the stage, right?

And I'm not totally over it. I still get scared, but now I just ultra prepare. If I need it. Like I know the lines backwards three times over usually. So you get the freedom. Right. If you had three things you could say to an inspiring actor right now, what would you tell them? Don't fucking do it.

I would say if there's anything else you want to do with your life, do that instead. If you have to be an actor, be prepared to dig in. Don't take no for an answer. say yes every single time until you can say no, you're not better than any of these roles. You are valuable. Don't forget your value. And for the love of God, take some classes.

I can't even tell you the amount of actors I've worked with that I'm just like, you're not a great actor. Like, take a class. Got you. You know, like I turn the whole power show. I enjoy taking classes in the offseason. We even had a Brooklyn Actors Collective with other working professionals in the industry where we would just study scenes or like, you know, do something so you can do a different role than you're used to playing and stuff like that. It's like a craft like anything.

You're not just going to get up on the mic if you're not prepared. You know, you haven't been doing the work. You got to train. You know, you're not going to jump in the ring unless you put in the hours. You put in that road work. You know what you're doing. Same thing with acting. Keep it going.

Keep it sharp. Don't say no. With auditions, when people are like, oh, this should be an office. offer for you, Joseph. I'm just like, what else am I doing Thursday? I'm like, I'll fucking memorize the lines and then be that guy. And let me try. Because I just remember, especially too, you know, when you're producing, um, uh, yes, Jesus is dog, finally tired. Um, finally fell asleep ladies. Yeah, I know. Now I could be myself. See what the fuck were you saying? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh, uh, yeah. So the main thing is, is, is you put in the work, put in

the hours and and you don't say no it's a tough tough industry man I mean you could be like Roe Timmy and get your first audition that you ever do and shout out to Ro Timmy fantastic fantastic actor great musician but it happens just like Albin and I my brother we started our our production company Black Fox Productions shout out the black box productions we just sold the show to history channel but we've been out we've been going on for five and a half years I remember when y'all first started from way back. The fact, you're right.

I do remember when y'all first started. And it was just like putting money in. And I think it was hard for my brother, harder than me, because it's constant rejection. And people nitpicking and judging you as hard. Because you had handling most of the business at the time. Yeah, but I'm also just like this. I'm like, I'm like, I do what you was doing. I was just like, this is also rejection is part of this.

It's a huge part. The main part is rejection. So you have to have tough skin down. I think like you guys, you know, as artists. Of course. Rejection is. And then people judging this whole shit. Podcasts and people always have something to say with the positive and negative.

Yeah. All these guys. And the negativity. Of course. Like, as you guys know, I'm not on social media, except I'm on TikTok. And I don't know how to use it. So that's the only reason I'm on it. And I have so I have other people that run all my other social media.

So you're going to be on the gram no more? No, but Albin runs it. All right, got you. Okay. All right. Got you got tired of the gram. He's an acting mode, man. No, I love the gram.

I just got addicted. Got you. And I felt and I got. And I got. And I got. I mean, you used to be chopping it up a lot of real together. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, you disappear off the grandma.

That's a fact. And then I locked myself out of Twitter X. I locked myself out and you can't get back in anymore. Like, there's not humans to talk to. I was like, yo, this is really me and this and that. And I was like, I've been locked out for like a year. You said, yeah, this is really me. You know, get it together.

You know, I must get it together, man. No, I must ain't going to let me back on. But in Facebook, they do a good job on the Facebook. But it's like I'm not on any of that stuff. So, but it's different because I feel like young people feel like I have to be, and you kind of do. So I'm glad I have the following. You know, promotes your brain. I put out, I put out stuff on, on IG that would not be anywhere else.

So if you want the real, like, behind the scene stuff, like, you got to go on IG to get it for me. But I'll give it to the sources to put up there because I know how to play the game. But also it's like, I read comments. I feel like I don't know how to not read comments. And then I get sad. And it's like when people talk such shit, and I just like. I'm from the 90s. I want to meet up with this guy.

Yeah. People, people like to talk. People like to say a lot of, you know, like, you know, like,

I just, I don't, I don't know how to, like, fifth figured it out. He knows how to get people, you know, like,

and get under people's skin. I get, I get my feelings hurt. And then I get, like, like, if I get mad, I get mad. And then it's just like,

oh, it's, is Joseph Tommy? I was like, fuck around and find out right now. Come looking for your ass, man. You heard that? You know what I mean?

It's like, all y'all trolls and got my man off fucking social media for them stupid ass comments. But he really doesn't care because he's in all these movies and TV. That's right. I don't. And I got a good marriage and I got a good dog.

That's right. Real life is better than social media. Amen. That's right. So tell them about the show, what you got coming in the future. I got reasonable doubt. It's going to come out.

Season 2, Ramallah, she's amazing, the best show run. Guys, watch Reasonable. reasonable doubt. It's a great show. Make sure you watch reasonable doubt. Get one of these chains. I need a chain. Can I get a chain for the show? Yeah. Tell them again where we can get these chains. You can get the change. Just go to Instagram, Joseph Sikora 4, the number four at the end on

Instagram. And then the link is in my bio. And they're super, I made sure that they're, they're super high quality and they're affordable. I just didn't, everybody's like, oh, you should charge where I'm like, my man, I want people that, like, have a good product that's cool. They might really be on the gram for a couple of weeks if y'all go get the teagro. You might as a fact. You're gonna really deal with a grand for y'all. All right, I will.

See, look. We brought them back to the grand for y'all. Go get the change, support my guy. Let's go. You know what, Merr, I got a good idea. Since we have our giveaways we do, make sure y'all like, share, subscribe. We're gonna give somebody a chain. I like how that sounds.

I like that sounds. I like that sounds. What's on my guy? What's on the order of that? A change straight from Tommy Egan. That's right. That's right. Joseph Socorva.

And I will sign it. Tommy Egan, man. Tommy Egan, baby. Reasonable style. You know the vibes. You know the vibes. Yes, baby. Another episode down, the real report.

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