Joe and Jada - The Real Report - Loaded Lux talks Fabulous vs Banks, battle rap's fall off , Strivers Row, and legendary battle vs Calicoe

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Loaded Lux joins Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda on The Real Report for a deep conversation on the state of battle rap, why the culture lost momentum after moving away from YouTube, and what it would take to make battle rappers feel like stars again. Lux breaks down the legacy of his legendary Calicoe battle, from the hearse and pallbearers to the obituary and the pressure of returning to the stage after four years. The crew debates dream matchups like Lloyd Banks vs Fabolous, Drake wanting to battle Murda Mook, Joe Budden vs Hollow, and why penmanship hits different in front of a live crowd. Lux also speaks on transitioning into music, his new project, and how battle rap shaped the way he lives, thinks, and performs.Go to https://baskandlatherco.com and use code REALREPORT for 20% offSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm like, oh, man, that make Hollywood. $100,000 in battle. Oh, man, that's up the game. Kay Sean and then. Yeah, they f*** up the game too. I heard, I see Smack. Price is up. Price is up.

Smack wasn't paying that $50,000. Smack said these are bugging. Then they said they was going to the school. Try to flip on you, smack. Y' got it out the mud together. The fuck about the idea. He didn't get stopped. Right.

Right. Shut the fuck. We don't. Okay. Provin. Roll it. Roll it. What's that point you.

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It's the boy Uncle Murder, aka Lennett Jett Lennie. And it's the Real Report. Make sure y'all like, share, subscribe. We got one of the top battle rappers in the world, man. In the world, man. That are alive. Make some noise for loaded Lux in the building. Yeah.

Legend, man. Yeah, legend. You, Lux, man. Bless to be, y'all thoughts. Yeah, no, blessed to be. First thing I want to ask you is, because me, murder and Ed and we talk about this all the time, we miss battle rap on YouTube.

I know when they went to shout the smack, I know it went to caffeine. Do you feel like you miss it on YouTube too? How do you feel about that? It's like the hype is gone. Like, it's like it got quiet, man. I think that's what went into it. a little bit. When they removed it from YouTube, because a lot of things, you know, the world

today is a lot of, excuse me, subscription based and things of that nature, you know what I'm saying? So I ain't going to hold you, you know, smack built up the platform enough to where, you know, him walking into that exclusivity lane. It made sense at the time for what they was doing. So here it is up in the air, right? Because on one end, you're going, damn, it's not as visible as you would like it to be for the masses, right? But then on one hand, because the caffeine thing is really kind of what started me. Caffeine wanted, let's get all that content. You don't feel like the numbers going up because guys like you, Mook and certain guys

like it went, yo, I need 50,000 a, it came to a point where you be, you hear guys see, I need 20,000 to battle, 50,000 in battle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, y'all was, you know, some of them guys. Yeah, no, no. So I feel like that kind of slowed the game up from what you guys. I've seen. You know what I mean?

The purses? Yeah, the person started. It was big, man. I mean, you know the- You can't knock that though, because they was generating that money too, though. So, no, that's the niggas learn the business and start realizing, oh, this is how much we make it. Niggas want their money. Naturally.

You know what I'm saying? But niggas can't afford the battle now. No. No. He's the nigs can afford the battle. Now, I think about it. I feel like everything ain't for everybody. Like, you got to know who you are, what you generate into acts for them type of numbers.

for them type of numbers. Gotcha. You know what I'm saying? You gotta make it make sense. Like this is an industry. You know what I mean? I was there, you know, at the commencement. Niggas was on a block.

No, of course. Now, you're one of the ones that can ask for a certain number because you're going to generate. Yeah. You know, I mean, look, we put in the necessary steps to do this. Like people like me, Mook, you know what I'm saying, hollowed, like some people who was just there when it went into building it up. So once it got to a space where, okay, now people coming through the doors, you know, they They're paying a yard to come through the door.

It's different things with the streaming. It's different. Like, we're looking at the world gravitate to what we was just doing on a regular every day. So I watched it turn in the industry. You got the rappers highlighting in there. Yeah, you know what I mean? People showing up. Remember you had Joe Bunn's battles.

Who's a battle? He's battle hollow. He's battle hollow. That was some hollow. That was some big money. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we're generating a lot of eyes at this point.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm not mad at people, you know, getting right on their business. But I feel you when you say, now here's the thing, it turns into an industry and then people are looking at all of these different streams to get the revenue. So then now it's like where that content you was just, yo, for the world of watch, it's like once they take them certain deals and it's like, okay, that's like what's going on with the breakfast club and shit like that. It's like you're not relevant.

Damn, that's crazy. No, facts. I know. Not you. Not on, people miss you on YouTube. They can see you, shout to the breakfast club. Netflix. They want to see you on YouTube.

They want to see you on YouTube. I totally agree. Because I'm a fan of Debo, Queen of the Ring. Yeah. I'm a fan of smack. I'm a fan of what was the guys in Canada? Oh, KOTD. KOT.

I was, I'm a fan of them. I met one of them in Canada before. Oh, shit. So it's like every day it was like there was something new with battle rap. Somebody was battling. I ever the chicks, because we have Bonnie up here. Oh, yeah. I put the money up, Shane and Ashley.

You know what I? Do you want to see Bonnie and Shane? Yeah, I would love to see that. You know, I, you know. Who you think of when that? Just on the side note, right, who you think of what that? I mean, I always say in battle rap is any given Sunday. Okay.

Because everybody, everybody's formidable. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Bonnie is crazy. Shana is crazy. Gotcha, got you. You know what I mean? So it's who lock in? Jazz the rap is crazy.

Jaze the bars is crazy. Like, you could pretty much bring up any name that's relevant and got some, like, you talk about, or the streets, know them in barbershops, and beauty salon. If you got a name, even if you got a name, even if you can't, you can't even if you dudes that don't got a name lyrically know what they doing. Yeah. You know what I mean? This is technical work.

But, you know, those that show up, like, for their opponent for what the situation is, yeah, man, that's who you're going to get. Why you feel like they keep battle rappers in a, like a box? Like, y'all niggas got drink, fucking balls like Drake in them niggas. But they feel like battle rap niggas can't make a record. I think that's people. I think that's the state of the world. You know, people receive information how they get it.

And then it's the conditioning. So the mind locks on, listen. I know Kevin Hart for comedy. I'm not going to see him in no concert like chocolate dropper. I'm not going to do that. He is, you know, expert in that. So I think, look, people, the conditioning, we've seen you in our living rooms doing this thing

for as long as we've seen you doing this thing. We don't want to hear you trying to make no record. Don't fuck up my entertainment. We need to know who you battling next, nigger. But you don't think battle rappers like hang with like, because no, not too many battle rappers hang with regular rappers. Like, when you consider it's regular rappers, like, now you're my friend. I don't like that term.

Not regular rappers. I mean, we're like big rappers, but it's crazy, you know what I'm saying? I know what I'm saying? Like, battle rappers stay in their box. Like, for instance, one of my favorite records, murder put me on was Leaf Ward, Sue surf, and my man Mills, wrist takers. And then I kind of... That was Leaf War, Al Bial and Mills.

Oh, D. But what? But Sue... He got the record with Sue Serf too. Okay, that was Al-Bi-Shall. Shout to Al-Bi, we gotta get him on the show. But there was another one with Sue Surf. Right.

And I'm like, oh shit, because Leaf Ward is one of my favorites out of Philly. I can't lie, man. Free Leaf War, man. Free Leaf War. Me and I am you pumping that niggas shit. It just feel like, you know, we want the bars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And surf made that transition a little bit,

because niggas on the streets be fucking with Serf. You fucking. on some, like, he made the transition. Yeah, niggins fuck with him. No, that's what I'm saying. He made the transition. When I heard him on a record with Leafboard, I was like, oh, shit. Like, I ain't heard nothing from him in a while, but now I'm checking for his shit.

That's good. See, you had to hear it. You know what I mean? Like, you used to seeing Surf getting busy on that stage, doing what he doing. But then, look, Leaf, you didn't know them. But that connection to you loving that music and you just happened to hear surf and go, oh shit, it sound good. Yeah.

They know what he doing. Definitely. And that's all. People just got to be a little bit more receptive to what's going on in the world. And that's all of us. That's me included. We're conditioned creatures of habit. We go about the day what we used to until, you know, a few things, something happens,

and then you may alter, you know, but that's just living. How you think we get the battle rap thing back popping being that in so many different channels? Back on YouTube. That's it. And Greg. And great performances. And Debo, bring back Queen of the Ring, man, playing around. That's what, you listen.

That's why, you know, me and Moot was going crazy. It's easy to say that, though, bring it back on YouTube. But we're talking about all this money that niggas is getting with these other companies and so like that. So how are you just going to go back to YouTube like that? I don't know. Yeah, but see, here's the thing. I feel like there's a healthy balance.

I was telling them and bees and them, like, they, I see it now more and more so. But even though they're doing it probably like, you see it in little ads on a good. gram and different things, but I was like, we got to release. You got to, even if you don't drop the whole thing, you got to, you got to put content out there. Got you. But I feel like if people can't see them.

Some of the people with the battles, at least put some of the battles on the gram, let people know it's out there and let them know where they can locate it. Copy, got you. You don't just make the, the, move like that, you know what I'm saying? But my whole thing is, if you can't see the content, how is it going to be relevant? You got to be able to see the content. Now you got to go sign up to all these other platforms that they got in there, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, let me give you the perfect example. Mr. Beast is one of the biggest people on, on, you would say, on YouTube, right? He does 127 million views on YouTube, but he's on Amazon Prime. So if I ever was to do a deal like that or any deal, I would want to have an episode of the Real Report on Netflix

and an episode of the Real Report on YouTube. That's just me being truthful, just like Drewski. Speaking into existence, yeah, I like how you just pitched that out there. Yeah, keep talking about that. Just like Drusky. Drusky. When Drusky do, could have been records and he do for the love of Drusky, he'll have

some of it on YouTube and some of it on VH1 or wherever it's at. That's all I'm saying. So when I used to wake up, because there was a time where everybody just went to YouTube just for battle rap, bro. That's a fact. I'm just keeping a hundred. I knew every battle, whatever battle was next, I knew now where I'm going to find it. You know I got to ask Lux, one of the most, I would say it's in the top five of battles

of all time. What's one you talking about? Is him with Calico, you know, pulled out the, you had the hearse, you had the pawn berets, you had the suit on. I need you all that footage up today talking about. All that footage. Shout to Calico. But I feel like.

That battle right there changed the fucking game. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Indeed. It made battle rap 100% more entertaining. Yeah. No, look. That battle rap, how many years ago was that?

Was it? 2012? Yeah. It was 2012? Yeah. 14, 15 years? And that's one battle. 14 years ago.

No fighting, no, because you know fighting, you always remember a battle. You know, Matt Popper, one of these niggas, punch a nigga in the head. And Calico was crushing shit at that time, too. Calico. He was. crushing. That's actually how the battle happens. Exactly, because he was

crushing shit. That's back when I was kind of really into it. He was crushing shit at that time. To me, that was like one of the most entertaining battles, top five battles of all time. You broke a fucking hearse out. It was a movie.

You had the girls with fucking shit on their face. Yeah, the widowers. You had the fucking obituaries. Yeah. What the fuck was the thought process that I battered, though? Just show me. Like, we was at Webster Hall that year.

So that was a movie in the self. Like, I'm very, like, 200 feet in front of me in terms of, like, when we get those pivotal steps, excuse me, those pivotal moves where we like, you know, get to, you know, have a stage or an audience for real, for real. When it's grand like that, I don't know. I just, I'm serious about the craft. Like, I'm a real craftsman when it comes to the show. I'm a Virgo, man.

So I get extra, extra, like, and a little. I ain't knew about this shit. So, yeah, he had to pause everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got to hold you to hell, you know what I mean? But when it was going on, when all your life was taking place, I'm mindful that, yo, I still, when that was happening, I ain't been on a set for like four joints, four or five years. You know what I'm saying? I started the Lionsden.

I started getting into that space. You know what I mean? So once I was doing the Lions then, I wasn't active. I'm not going to lie, I thought Calico was going to get you. Because you wasn't active. Like you said, no. He wasn't active. No real talk.

He wasn't on the scene for a minute. It was like, people was calling you to come back for a minute. So I'm like, oh, man, he's going to have a hard time for that. Lux is New York. Lux. Of course. That's how it happened. But he understand he ain't been around for a way.

He wasn't into a four-way. It don't matter. Niggas like him and Mook, you never sleep on. DNA, you know, you know people sue serve, gun titles, niggas. Them niggas are going to perform. He said the gun title. So, you know, that's the thing. So you got to think.

You gotta think about it. The thing about Lux is, Lux don't just perform for the crowd. He put on a show. He's gonna, nigger, like he's gonna have that beloved, beloved Jay-Z talked about it. You know, that was the most classic battle, like, what was that, 18, 15 years ago? 14 years ago, 14 years ago. 14 years ago. 14 years ago and that's what I'm like, yo, that's the number one question.

I wanted to ask him, like, what was the thought process? To make you come with the casket and everything. Yeah. What the fuck made you think? Let's get back to that. What made you think of that? Nah, I ain't going to hold you. I'm, it's, I got to give all the glory up top.

When I say that, I know how I put myself in a space and then whatever happens from there, creatively, I'm going to go with it. And I'm going to go with it. I'm going to do it. So, yeah, I caught the ideas. Shit, sister, I caught that idea like two weeks before the joint. Two weeks, I'm like,

because I'm already drilling. I had, at first, when Smack asked me to do the battle, I'm like, he asked me, I said, cool. Then I, it was just, it was just some back and forth real quick. As far as the money? Yeah. You know, some back and forth real quick. It's all good. You got to get the business right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But once the business got right? We got to it. So I didn't have too much time, but I had some time. And, yeah, Calico was, because that year, he battled math. And then on this day, he called me out. That bad-y-com. Okay.

So it's really like, mm, I got that. I'm like, oh, sure do you think it's like, all right. You can't hear your Harlem shit. Yeah. You said more beds than what hospital? Harlem Hospital giving me beds, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brick down every round that I sketched about shit, man.

Nothing. That was, I was something shit, that was. That was, that right there. The rusty tools in the shed house. He ain't got math that year, right? He had got math. He got math that year. No, Calico was on the rent.

He was. But what I'm saying is, it wasn't like, It wasn't like he came. The casket was ill. The casket, everything was crazy. Yo, listen. If somebody out there and they're going to tune into this, hit me like, because, you know, we put our obituaries.

Yeah, we did the whole thing. And I did. Look, no AI or none of that. All of that, everything you see in that obituary, if you got an obituary from that battle, word for word, I put all that, I wrote all of that. Yeah, like, you know, we just articulate. Pull that up, but we could find somebody. That's what I'm saying, man.

So when you really, really, really think about it, though, like, that kind of really propelled theatrics. Yeah, yeah. To me, because later on down the line, now the ill shit is when niggas have the paperwork party. Yo, hold on. Niggas have pitchy your baby moms down. That's what made battle, to me, battle rap.

To me, it's harder than being the artist because the artists know they song. We get up there with 50 a murder, murder, he might not know the rap-ups like 10. 10 minutes. For 50, you know, you know our song, right? He might forget that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So, look, he ain't remembering that. Yo, you, this is great.

But for battle rap, you got to have all the balls in your head. Yeah, indeed. The timing, the crowd, how to play the crowd, niggas screaming in your face without fighting, niggas spitting, spit, then you got his boys in the back behind you, niggas, in, and Ice grilling, you were a million goombas. Yeah. You can't choke. You know, once you choke that, they talk about that shit for like 20 years down the

line. Shout to everybody that choked fool. Mokie's dad, nigger, where the tall, remember the tall, black, niggott. Everybody had a cow. Everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was always, you never know what's going to happen at a battle rap. Yeah, nah, it's a movie. Like, the thing, yo, the thing about it is that's what makes a battle a battle, right?

It's the execution under that degree. of just traffic. So what was your day like? You was like, yo, I'm gonna spend this on the hearse. I got the girls. What was your day like that morning? How much you paid for that hearse? What was it?

What was the morning? I had a family member did that for me. Oh, for real? Yeah. Oh, okay. Then look, everybody used to talk about the hurt, but we bought out the pawn box though. Remember we-

No, I remember the pawn box, you had everything. Yeah, the girls had a pawn box for them. Yeah, yeah. Um, what out the palm box, I had, that day was crazy. My whole hood was, was just outside. And we were bringing the palm box out, the whole hood outside.

We got the, we got the hearse outside. That was crazy, man. Those were the girl days of battle, yeah. The energy, yo, listen, why I pull, and we parked the hearse right there. Yeah, they had the cameras, you had the cameras and all that shit. Movie.

I never forgot that battle, man, 14 years later. They got had to ask you that fucking question. Nah, but so, and then look, to bring it full circle, this is why I feel, When we go, damn, where that, or where's, where is it at at or where, I believe in when you bring truth to the table, when you bring all of what you, because everything, the most I can say to people that went into that, that, you know, that really made it what it was, was just me sticking to the script.

You know what I'm saying? It was like, I just really wanted, I knew the people was coming. We ain't never had a venue like Webster Hall. Battle rap is like being showcased. We got the lights. We got a stage. I mean, you know, Puff was in the audience. We got Buster.

We got Q-Tip was up like the world is watching. Facts. What you're gonna do, Chay. Facts. They were-ha- They were-old. They were-old. So battle rap ain't never had no look like that. Facts.

Yes, sir. You know what I mean? And shout out of everything, you know what? Everybody, you know, on that card, man, did their numbers move? That's when Rex got the 10, when Puff threw out the 10. You're like, what? You're gonna put the 10 on this round? And Rex went crazy.

Like, all of that happened in the building that day. That was crazy, yeah. When you bung that, the main thing you remember is that Hearst and that. That's just, I felt like the battle was over once the Hearst came and all it. But look though, nah, because we could have did all that back killed. No, but you still have boss. Don't get me wrong, you had quotes on there, the Harlem Hospital shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How's you feel when Jay-Z was fucking shit? It wasn't even like real. Like, that was so surreal. I'm on the phone with my man Uncasa. We are Un-Kazer talking. That's crazy. Because we was talking. Boom-W-W-W-W-W-W.

We just hung up. He called me back. I'm on the phone with my pops now. When-W-Wing to my pops. He kept calling. Like, you know, what happened? Nigger. Do you see the tweet?

Yeah. And then the phones just started going crazy. When there, the phone was just surreal. Thanks. That's why we got a transition to the music. Some surf doing it. I know a lot of artists doing it. Talk about your transition.

to the music, back to the music, the balls. We want to hear that. Because I know you can make the records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no doubt. Yo, and that's the thing. I actually started making music at the same time I was, we was battling. Like, battling was just fun in my neighborhood. Like, that's some shit we did, like, after the parties and all of that.

You know what I'm saying? But shout out to, you know, head ice, you know what I mean? The big bro used to like... Head ice. You know? He's another one, too. To the studio. to the studio, like, faithfully.

Like, you know what I'm saying? They should have me in them sessions, you know what I mean? And so I got a real, like, keen sense of what it took to, oh, shit, you know, count your balls like this, all of that I got from day one. So at the same time I was making music, I probably making music before I was really battled. But, you know, rapping, like just on a block, like that's, like, shout out to the wolf, shout the head ice, shout the gorgeous gangster, Gigi. You already know, said no to.

I used to have powwows with the elders, with the OGs, and they said, you know, huddle up. Let me hear something. Like that was, that was duty. Like they had on like, no, I heard that last week. Let me hear something. So you had to have your shit ready. Gotta stay sharp.

Gotta be sharp. Yeah. I mean, the battle rap niggas, like you said, a nigga that don't got a name is still sharp with the shit. So, yeah. That's the thing that you see. Most of your battles, the whole shit is like, damn, how to fuck? Or a lot of battle rap, you're like, how the fuck he came up with that?

See, like, with a nigga rapping, like, not battle rapping, he got bars, but he could make it into a head. Because it's like when you listen to a Drake, Drake got bars, but he can still turn a record into a hit because he could do different things, melody, shit like that. Yeah, you got the, see, you got the cadence. You got the music to work with, you know what I'm saying? So it's different vibes. And that's why, listen, every science, every branch on the tree got a rhythm, you know what I'm saying? So if it's making music, you got to learn the formats and which you owe me.

Don't color out of the lines. Like, you know what I mean? Stay in this pocket, you know, we're on topic with this record, you know what I mean? And it's the same, like, so when you get the battling, it's, that's a rhythm. And within itself, I know how I think first round, how I should be depending on who you are. And, yo, it, yeah, man. Yeah, it's the Talk of New York, Tony, yeah, yo. And this the boy, Led Jet Lenny.

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Yeah! I feel like smack fucked up. And I'm gonna tell you why. Damn. I'm gonna tell you why. That transition was crazy. Yo, I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna get you up in so you can talk to this video, man.

I'm gonna hear ya. I'm gonna tell you why smack fucked up. Cause you gotta really think of that at a time, though. I'm really sitting here thinking of that. There was a point where Drake wanted to battle MOOC. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck?

I'm just like, Hold on. That shit was like changing the game. You had Joe Buttons battle in the hollow. No I'm saying? Niggas were throwing big offers I already done to banks. Cases, guys wanted to see Bands because I know we want to see FABB and Banks, man. Oh, of course.

I know what banks will do to FAB. Fab is nice though. Ah! I know everybody's on Fatton. Look, look, look, look. He's from Brooklyn. Brooklyn, I'm from Brooklyn. Brooklyn niggas always stick together.

You know, they kill each other on their off hours. You know how that she goes. Yo, look, who you think? Who you think out of family? I ain't going to hold you. I'm going to say that right now. Straight up, no chaser. Now, you're newt you, you're from Harlem.

Let's hear it. But no, I ain't really knew you because. We got the newt you Harlem guy right here. Me and Mook may have a conversation about this, though. Okay. So this. Mook is one side, though. He'd be on some.

No, we can. No, don't start. No, my God. Mook is from Harlem. Yeah, don't, Mook is from Harlem. Yo. Let's go. I want to hear these conversations.

And you got to vote and lux. You got to keep the G.U. Look. Oh, my God. This guy, this guy, oh my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, listen. A lot of y'all niggas are friends with these guys.

You know what I mean? Listen. I just let my man talk for him in there, man. Let's go. Let's go. Now, listen, this is how I feel. Honestly, like, Mook, Mook Pro, we've had these conversations so many times. I think, though, in a battle,

and a battle. I'm with banks. I'm with P-O-K. What you mean? What kind of battle are you talking about, though? A battle. You just said banks. Nah.

I mean, you, what you're talking about? So look, I'm saying FAB here, Banks here, and yeah, we're in the same room and it's going up. You're talking about your type of battle. All right. Okay. Okay. Now, what's- You want to go record battle?

No, I didn't know what he was talking about is what I'm asking him. I didn't know. It's different. When you're asking somebody like Luxembourg, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different. That's what I'm asking them. So, you're not saying record battle, but he's basically saying in a room. I wanted to know what kind of bad when he was talking about.

He said in a room, ball for ball. Ball for ball. You think like banks to get bad. I always, yeah, because here's the thing. They both, both of their membership is there. But see, when you, you got to perform in the rooms, man. And, you know. The only thing, that's what I can say.

I feel, I feel it wouldn't be such a transition for banks to get in that space to where it's just, yeah, we're here now. It's all, it's raw. It's like this is what it is. Fab, I feel like Fab, Fab, it's not that he can't do it, but Willie, that's my thing. Because here's the thing. in contention I just I'm not too

like I feel like FAB be cool I don't know I can't picture FAB in that space to where now the gloves is off nigga like I'm

it's that now so I've never I me when I go into them spaces I don't see it Banks I've kind of seen banks cut up

to where he'd get you that grit he'll get out of you know what I it ain't it ain't but for me this

What's what I say, skills pay the bills, right? That's why you wanted the best of what you do. You know what I mean? Skills pay the bills. Like Floyd Mayweather and fucking Javonte, skills pay the bills. Yeah, yeah, sure. Banks is in Germany now. Last time we talked about this, I think he was in France or something.

When we talked about it on breakfast club, we was like, yo, what's Fad doing? And what's Banks doing? Banks is in Germany now. He's on another tour. So him, the G-Unit brand is so much big of a brand. I would just, I want to, I really want to see it. Because let's think of who y'all got.

I got Big, Big, who, Big L? What? Hallam? Y'all got a lot of heavy hitters. Yeah, I mean, shit, what's... Big Al, Mace. What's the bitch? How's you feel about Max B saying he better than Mace?

Do you say better than Mace? He said he better than Mace? He said he better than, Kane. No, he said it's two-price. Game shot some balls out of them, too. Yo, Kane is... Yeah, I respect, yo, Yo, listen, we met Kane.

Shout out to Big Daddy, King. We met Kane and niggas was paying homage. Me and Murder and Coo-G rap. Got to me. We was trying to figure out why, Raq Kim didn't make it. Raqin was like, yo, I'll make it. I noticed some kind of beef did.

I'll definitely want to find. Rock him and Kane. And Kane is official, man. I told you. Hey, hey. They never did a show together. Big Daddy Kee is official, man. But look, we had-

They never did a show together, brother, and never did a song together. Who that? Never did a show? Remember he was supposed to be Big Daddy Kane, 50 had on there, Rock Kim. And Raq Kim was like, yo, I don't, nah, I got COVID or something. I don't know. I don't think he would lie, but it was just like, damn, they niggas never did. Niggas never did.

We never seen them in the room together. That's crazy. What? It's like Jay and Nas when I look at Kane and Rakken. No. You don't look like that? Then we had them, nah. Yo, can you, I see y'all pulling up stuff on.

They never did a song together, bro. We had in the, I mean, we had them in the room together. I've been around all the grates, man. They've never been in the room. Then we had Big Daddy Ken and Carrey's when I rock him and the Lions then? They never performed together No, they didn't perform But they never

Do they have a song together But they was in the room together Man What live show have they done together? Shout to Kit Capri Oh yeah We had King Capri on the show Yeah

I got a chance to meet all the greats Kane Hoogie Rap Bismarkey was one of my favorites To me he commercialized rap Oh baby Because we Yeah

I think we came out Was it That's the performing together right there They on the stage together? Yo, after a while, you can't, like, shit be about the culture. Yeah, I mean, it'd be- Who you think is your top five, like, of that time? Because I always love the 80s rap.

I say, I'm not going to have no order, but I always say Kane, Rakim on there, I would put Slick Rick on there. See, it's hard, you know why it's hard for me to- Oh, you gotta put L on there. See, I wasn't in the streets. though. See, y'all, y'all, y'all, you outside experiencing it. I'm a baby. So, when you outside experiencing, not only is you hearing the music, nigger, you're watching the vibe, you see the scene. So people be like rating different things like, yo, get skills, pay the bills,

but it's everything that comes with an impact. Now, Harlem, y'all got legends, but let's think about the legend. Y'all got Big L from back in the days. Let me think Dougie Fresh was that I'm a nigga, though. Dougie Fresh. Come on. Dougie Fresh, y'all. That's one of y'all top rappers. Hell yeah.

I'm fucking with, um, Hergy Baby right now. Who? The Furgy Baby? Oh yeah. I like Furgy Baby. I like Chuck Cash. What you know about Chuck, man? I fuck with Chuck Cash.

I think his time is coming. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fucking with you. I fuck with a lot. But I'm liking Furgy Baby now. Yeah. At Harlem East River Drive.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, fuck them. Yeah, Russ. I didn't even know raw bass is from Harlem. Definitely. What? Well, he's one of them too.

Yeah, he commercialized. You watch Radio Music Box? You had to know that. I know that. Yo, that's crazy, because I want to do, um, for the project. I'm gonna do something with Ralph. Oh, that'd be dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dope.

Because I gotta, look, no, shameless plug, right? But this Stravers Rocheet, right? This, in Harlem, this was one of them, The blacks, it was one of the areas. Stravers room? Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about that.

When they first started putting blacks get that real estate and come in and purchase some of the space that was there, because you know, it was, you know, what it was then. But like around 1919, like when all of them started coming in that space in that area, I'm going to say like it made the property value what it was. But for black America, it definitely did. Now I mean, you got the who's, who's being in those spaces and coming through there. So what it did was it allowed for a lot of minds, a lot of vibes to come through. And when it shared light on, you think, what was just talking about with, you was telling

me, Conway, talking about the power to pull up. The power to pull up, yeah. You got everybody who's somebody in that time, though. Right. two, three blocks away from each other. So they commute in the best of the best. Black aristocrats, I don't care if you was in arts, music, if you was an educator, whoever,

all of the prominent figures was a block away from each other. And it wasn't, no social media, none. They all knew it was aware of each other and would go to your door. Yeah, there's a lot of crazy history in Harlem that, like, a lot of important people. Like, even back in the days, black people in Harlem was, like, successful. It's always, it's been a flashy place for a long time. Everybody know you get a new car or something.

You go to Harlem, niggas outside. It's always a movie. What was it like, you think that being in Harlem helps you be a better battle rapper? Because depression's on. You know, you got a crowd of niggas. You're in Moot battling in Harlem in different places. I ain't gonna lie, I feel like, I feel like,

who won you a Moop battle, man? Um, I think Moot, uh, well, the first one, the first one they was given to me, Because then it was, like, we rap for like, on camera it might have been maybe five, six rounds on camera. But then it was outside too rapping. The only thing y'all see now was three rounds apiece. Right. You know what I'm saying?

When we was gone, we were still straight off the block with it. You rap until you ran out of rhymes. The essence. That's when Smack was pulling up. He was catching that. Yeah, that was Shelter Smack. That was absolute smack. That's when the Harlem.

said it's the Mecca. Damn, how young was you for this? Because I never know how you get, like, how they be determining who wins him. So you said, like you just said, you said the first one they gave to you. Yeah. What you mean? You said that. You've been bad with more than once?

Yeah. You seen the second one with showcase. Three rounds. Yeah. The second one we did at total slaughter. So right, you said the first, so the first one you said was you, then you feel like he got the second one? For sure. Okay.

Okay. This was being my theme, my rich porter shit. for the shit. And that's why, this is why I say smack fucked up because even it was

damn. No, no, no, look. Why you keep saying smack? Because you got to think about it. No, because I'm, because it's like,

yo, I want to watch battle rap, but it's like, where the fuck I'm finding in that? Caffeine. You got to go to well, look.

Come on. Man, where the fuck I'm finding that. Hey, O.B., look, UROT TV. That's what you got to go. All right,

I guess I got to go to you. You are a rap now, right? You are around. I didn't know that. They got an app, man. One niggas got to promote the shit and put it out there. Yeah, I'm telling you.

You want to see more of it, even if y'all get promotion to put more of it and spread it everywhere. But they drop in clips and fees and different things and letting people know, like, they can get that. But it's what don't feel the same like before, you know what I'm saying. It was like more to the league. Like I said, Queen of the Ring, that was one of my shits. Like, so if y'all niggas wasn't battling, I go to Queen of the Ring. So I started like in all a female battle rappers. I get what I'm saying like, I don't even know.

what's happening right now. So who popping right now? Like who tearing shit up right now? There's so many. Yeah. Like right now? It's everything. Because I like you said, I don't get to see.

I'm not in truth right now. I just watched it. But there was a point when we go to YouTube and you automatically. And that's a fact. It just pop up. It was a time when I'm watching four or five battles a day to look for it. That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

Nigger started battling in London, nigger. Yeah. It was worldwide. Canada. Disaster. all of niggas, like, niggas fighting, all kind of shit was going on them. What's my man that got killed too?

He was nice too. That got stabbed, right? Yeah, rest and peace to past stay. He was one of them too. Like, that's what I'm saying. So who fucked up, yeah? Who fucked it up? What, the, the, the money.

The money. I just knew he was going to say that. Smack and Beasley. So that's my nigga smack and Beasley. We don't get the niggins. Nah, but look, that speaks to, look, that speaks to impact. And Debo fucked up, because Dibbo, I heard Dibo Sign to smack, right?

He fucked with smack at a point? Or no. Queen of the ring was supposed to go there or something? I don't know. I don't know. Queen of the ring disappeared too. But you can't say it's smack fucked it up because everybody started going to get their bag.

Yeah. It's a collective. Everybody started going to get their own bag. Yeah. But when he did the caffeine deal, it just felt like it was cut short off of YouTube a little bit. That's all I'm saying. Like, I went from, like I said, murder.

It's tough. I went from three to four battles a day. DNA, this nigger, hollow, this nigger, Miss Hustle, Shana, this, I'm watching everything. Even when Bonnie battle unpeaches now, right? Yeah. I caught it because it was like on the gram, but it's like the marketing is less right now. That's all I'm saying. You do a project, you doing a Strav's project, rain, that's gonna be big, but niggers wanna,

y'all gonna have to, we wanna see you on flex, we wanna see you on the radar, we wanna see you on sway just for the marketing of it. That's what I think battle rappers got to do. Go to Sirius Radio, go to Flex. So we know whatever's coming or whatever battle is coming because it's less traffic on YouTube with battle rap. Yeah. I feel, I feel you in that regard.

Yeah, it did. Look, for somebody, and I'm glad you make a mention of this too, because there's a lot of avid watches that feel like you, you know what I mean, with that vibe. And it's good because the different people that counsel leagues and different things could see that and I always made it a weird smack. I'm like, whoa, that's why you see all my battles is on you too. You know how many faceoffs was crazy? Suck my dick, duh, da, blah, bu.

Yeah, SMD. He said face off. He said face off. You know, face off is, you know, they, you know, face off is, you know, they, you know, the face off, you know, we're doing the face off with a bowtiles and the glasses, breaking the fights up, dudes in each other, do swing. Yo, that was content, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All that content is gone. Like, you can't, you really don't see it like that. I mean, they still put the face. They still put faceoffs up, you know what I mean, different things like that. But they got to promote it more, man. You want that energy. Yeah, he missed the energy. I want that battle around energy back.

There was a time where y'all, like, niggas wasn't even paying attention to music. It was like, yeah, I'm going to go catch this battle, dog. You got to make it back. I'm telling you the people feel like that. Now, I know niggas was being the, you know what I'm saying? To be in the trap. Niggas is like, yo, that's all the nigs watch, you. But look, um.

Would it be some good balance right now, man. Would it be some good baddies right now? I think that also... Fab and Banks? I think... I mean, I'm saying... I think it would get bad. I think it would get...

Fab and Banks will bring battle... We're here. And I, like, listen, I wasn't... Because I'd be seeing Fad... See, I don't think they're gonna do that. Go ball for balls. I don't know dissing each other type shit. I think when people talk about Fab and Bix,

they just talk about putting their music up. I don't see them going like, y'all, like you and... I don't see them doing... You know, my thing was because they had the aptitude to do it, it would really be a spectacle. You know how much, if we just talking about dudes getting to getting to their bag. What? A Fab and Banks battle?

Like, we do it? You know how much, you could just. No, that was, that was definitely, I think that would definitely bring up back. I think we getting off the subject here. I would love to see, let me go to my battle list. I would like to see Seussurf versus Lux. Oh. That happened.

I want to see it again, though. Suserk versus Lundice. Who won that one when that happened? You won that one? Of course. But why do you want to see it again? I just want to see it again just to bring the game back. Okay.

Let me see. Now, Mook and Surf. I want to see it. Is that they battle before? No. I want to see Mood versus like a DNA or somebody. I want to see him against DNA. Because I felt like when y'all, when y'all stop, what's my man that was always with DNA?

It's always with DNA. I'm bugging for you and damn high. His bad, his... Clips. Charlie Clips? No, not Charlie Clips. DNA man. He always battle with him.

Kay Sean. My bad, Kay Sean. I know who you are. I'm a fan. You know what I'm saying? But I felt like when you, like to me there was a time where you went luck stop, like, yo, you and MOOC stop. Y'all, that man, that's Hollywood.

100,000 in the battle. Oh, man. Fucking up the game. Kshan and DNA. Yeah, they fucked up the game too yet? Yeah. He said the niggas fucked it up too, Smack. C-T-Urifice went up.

Smack wasn't paying that $50,000. Smack said these niggas is bugging, niggins. The niggas said they was going to the niggas that's going to be there. Niggas try to flip on you smack. Y'all got it out the mud together. The niggins start talking about they need a hundred K-K. Yo. Now, think about it.

K-Shon and DNA kind of, like, that's when a lot of new niggas was like taking up the slack. Because y'all niggas was getting too pricey, like, y'all was just to a point where it was just like, then. I just heard him. big numbers and sign the contract and what I make. Nigger, I'll make this, nigga, what you make? It was a lot of money talk on that shit at that point. Yeah. Just think about it.

Drake wanted to battle Mook. Yeah. Did he really want to battle Mook? Yes. He was going to do it. That was the pinnacle. Let's wait. Because when me and Mook come back, like, let him tell that story.

Yeah, yeah. Like, the way Mook will tell you that story, he going to give you the play by play. It was, it was, it was right about to happen. Somebody fucked up to play. It was going to happen. We're gonna have MOOC on the story on the show, but it was about to happen. It was talks of that shit.

Yeah. And this is what I'm saying, like, that would have led to Lux versus Jada, Banks versus Goods or Hitman Holla or somebody. It would have led to that. Or you would open up the floodgates. But yeah. How that fucked up, dead. Cuck, nigger.

He's gonna let MOOC tell a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to let MOOC tell a story. He's from Harlem. He's from Harlem. You can't Jay to Harlem, nigga. I can't fuck with this thing. Hall of a nigga sell shit on the stick, man.

Hey man. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was the pinnacle at that time. It was like, Joe Buttons was battling hollow and then Mook. They talked about Mook and Drake. Who won the Joe Bunn's battle? No, you remember Joe?

That was like on TV. Yeah, that was totally photo. But Joe got out of there. He stopped. I don't know if the second on the third round, but the crowd wouldn't, I guess he wanted to be completely silent. He put the mic. down. So they never really finished that battle.

Oh yeah, it was something that happened. With him in Hollow. Yeah. So Joe Biden lost that one when they did that. It was crazy. Hollow said one of the dovest lines. Hollow, nice. He said, ah, I got 112.

I want Joe to see. I forgot, bro, my fault. I forgot I'm messing your setup. I know, I know, my bad. But the way he put that line together, oh, man, I got 112. It was something he said before it that brought it all the way together. I want Joe to see. Because he did another R&B reference.

What do you think is the door process when you write your shit? Like before you get to the battle, how do you read? Because, you know, it's hard to remember all that shit. Like I said, Murder with the Wrap Up 10 minutes. Y'all niggas is remembering that shit, though. They're going, they remember in 10, 20 minutes above. Yeah. Sometimes he can't even remember 16 bars.

Word. Play the track under that shit. And that is real. And that is real, because y'all do be remembering like some like. How to fuck you? It'd be like three, four, five minute verses. And it's like three different ones on top of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, and room to improv. And, yeah. Yeah, the improv, stop the crowd. They come back at that point. No, that is a lot. That's a lot. This is the shit that'll fuck me up. Because the nigga be like, bring it back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then the nigga be like, he got to bring his, you got to bring eight balls. And the niggas want to say it with you. It's very real, you give me to bring it back. Yeah. That's me. Shout to all the battle fan rap.

To me, the good old days was the crowd. To see the crowd, them rowdy crowds, niggas don't care. You fuck up, they on you, bro. Yeah, yeah. Because now you're seeing I'm a big battle rap fan. Banks too. Yeah. This is what I'm saying.

I just want to see more of it. Maybe somebody step up, maybe an M&M or somebody will... Listen. Somebody step up and really put that shit out there. Smack is doing this thing cool, but you got to put that shit out there, smack. I'm going to say this. Look, and then look, because I got to come back around. Like I said, from having Drake, if Drake would have battle Mook, imagine how that would have been.

You would have had a, this guy against Jada kiss or somebody, you know what I mean? You would have had any. I got a bag. So what happened with the Drake and Mook shit? I got a, um, I got a, look. Look, look, he's gonna try three-thi-thi-thead. I tell you, I love it. Brooklyn, nigga.

Mook all up, nigger. No, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a little. book coming out to before the years out as well to. Oh, wow. It's fine. I got a transcriber. Shout to Dr. Emden, Dr. Chris Emden. What's the name of the book, man?

You're going to get this work. Okay, you're going to get this work. Oh, shit. I like that. Perfect name. Perfect name. Come on, you know, that ain't going to go nowhere. Perfect name.

You don't get this work. Perfect name. And I give people mindsets in every battle I was in. Yeah, because you say some crazy shit in your shit, bro. Thank you. Do you still want a battle? If it's right and it makes sense And why I mean that is because

That's the Hollywood shit you was talking about Yeah, if it makes sense All that shit there is not heard you I heard you, yeah, heard you I heard you Listen Yeah, man be like, whoa Wondack be like, whoa

Wobh Beasley do the karate and all that Them niggas stuff Yeah, oh Don't Bezley do karate Yeah, yeah, la Them niggas start be like, whoa That's a security guard

Now, but yeah, say what you're about to say, though, Lux, you're about to say? Now, look, the, if it makes sense, if it makes sense, what you're talking. Because be up there, if it makes sense, if it makes sense, look, to be up there, make it look effortless,

you know what I'm saying? People don't know what go into that. To say, Tiff Lux, I always tell people, yo, listen, because I tell the whole team, they know how I work when they come to them spaces. So, you got to think, for who much is giving much as expected. People paying their hard-earned money.

Because when you used to like, see, King of the Dot, battles and a lot of battles with King of the Dot, they had a big like arena or some shit. So you, I'm doing the head count, like, looking like, paws, if that's a pause. You know, you counting. You put yourself up, because y'all are filling venues. It was like venues was getting bigger and bigger. You know what I'm saying? At that point, that's all I'm saying is I'm-

Yeah, so the money guy that makes sense. I get it. Yeah. I mean, for me, because people paying their hard earn and they coming to see you. It's like, you know, it's like, I never forget Michael Jordan saying that. That was beautiful. He said, so a person buy a ticket to come see me. I mean, that's their first time seeing me.

Facts. Feel me? You don't know what they had to do. I see somebody said that when he was playing on the Washington Wizards and I think it was his last game and he was still going hard. And somebody asked him like, yo, it's the last game. Mike, why are you going to hard? He said, man, somebody here paid for that Michael Jordan experience. He said all they know is they came here thinking they're about to get that Michael Jordan experience.

And I'm going to give it to them. They want that. Word. You got to respect that. I'm saying. I was in London and people was coming from Amsterdam, all type of places like, yo, listen, I'm here to see you. Like, nigger, you better show up. And they sit through all of that shit to that last battle, that what?

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Because, look, we talking about something that happened in 2012 that's still trickling all the way into, you know what I'm saying? Like your legacy, you know what? Of course. You know, it's going to follow you, you know, it's going to precede you. So that's my thing is, is I want to give my all, man. Like, that means something to me. So when we got to do those performances, nah, man, I got it.

I got this moment means everything to, look, not just, that one show, but the culture, I'm up there representing. Like, if somebody never saw a battle rap before, you know what I'm saying? Somebody go, oh, turn on a load of luck. You know what I mean? They got to get that, man. And the love that we put into it is what makes the culture sustain itself. You know what I mean?

And that's the thing where you, what bought you to the well, you feel me? You saw some things that was like, hold up, you knickers. Yeah, you got to think about it. You know how niggas got microwave music? It's microwave. There's microwave battles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With like, he, he, he, did me talk about this gonna make me go back and watch the calico?

Yo, I gotta find that shit. Yeah. Just to go back. It's 14 years later and I'm had to, yo, had this thing on the shoulder asking what the fuck was the door process. Yeah. You know what I mean? Nah. Nigger come with a pallbara, a casket.

Yo. Fucking you a bitch, you know, I'm gonna. Yo, telling you a bitch, right. Yeah. And then that's what I said. Then they went to niggas pulling out paperwork or a nigger baby mom's cheating. Paperwork quality. It was just, it got, to me, that makes the best thing.

Battle ill up. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, because you know what battle rap taught me? What? How to live. Why do you say that? How to truly live.

Look, it's no-ho's barred up there, man. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. Anything you done did, murder. Nigger will find anything. Yeah. And if he, if he know what he's doing, he could take that one section.

I've seen it. I've done it. They're going to take a one section that ain't really. but I can shift the whole perspective on it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Shit might not be true, but nigger go in on your baby mom. You feel me?

Yeah. You know what I mean? We're gonna call those out. Shout them up, my bro. You know what I'm gonna call those out? You know what I don't know how niggas could do it, spin on their face. We're gonna call those out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta call those out though.

Nah, not, listen, because look, what makes it, what it is, is when you hear it based on a true story. You're like, oh, nah, niggas, this happened. That gives, you know, the extra validity. You know what I mean? It brings you more into it. It brings you more into, you're more compelled. So when somebody going and talking about background checking it, oh, nigga, you said this, but niggas found out you, you like this?

When are you going into that? You know what I'm saying? Hold on, you're exposed to somebody to a whole other space or area that, so when I say it taught me how to live, you know what I mean, and how to be true, you know what I mean? Because, bro, you up there. What you did is on the table for one day to the next, man. Facts.

Get out here and get out of pocket than you want to. Battle rappers are the best rappers, man. I'm gonna just be like, no, you sold the work. Well, here's the paperwork. We got his men already passing the shit out. Like, it's the most creative. It's as good as wrestling, man. It's better than wrestling because it's bars,

but the deadrics for me, I just miss it. No disrespect to smack of none of them. Because whatever they, KOD, all the battle leagues. Battle leagues in London, Canada. Like, we just, I just wanted to. People to see it the way it was at that point. The Drake and Moog shit was what? 2020?

What was not? What year that was supposed to happen? What year that was supposed to happen? It might have been 2019, 2020? No, it's been between 2016. Yeah, between 2016 probably or 2015-2014? 2014. Oh, yes.

All right, cool. That shit. It felt like it was just yesterday. You know what I'm saying? Like I remember that and I was like, damn, niggas, I was like, like, yo, these niggas about to battle, Drake about to battle this thing. Because Drake was one of the biggest fans of battle rap.

Yeah. It's going everywhere. Hell yeah, no. Look, one thing I could say about, let's make battle rap great again. Yeah, nah, it's the performances, man. And I, look, even now, right? You just talking about the Joey Badass joint.

Yeah, shout to Joey Badass. Love the Battle Rap. Come on, everybody love that. Yeah. Joey Badassie Badass. Bad-ass and luck got a joint. Like, me and Daylight was supposed to, that's how that whole thing went on. But like, it's certain battles that demand certain attention to where even the players,

the artists, understand the magnitude of this matchup. So they rise to different occasions. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, even like... Like Daylight used to do a lot of crazy shit, right? Yeah. But he know when it's time, like, nigger, cut it out. Like, this is one of them.

Daylight is a technician. Yeah. I could say that. Like, every, like, those that's them dudes, like how we do it, we know when it's, oh, this one ain't for play play. This is where, nah. I could describe, daylight's the type of nigger that's going to say some shit like out of space.

Yeah, he's going to do. He's going to go. Lux is charismatic. Like typical Harlem confidence. Yeah, yeah. You're going to get this work. Indeed. Crabb.

Those are class-a-moot. Mook is more, he's a haul. He got to haul-a-man shit on them, but he's like more aggressive bars. Yeah. Like, you know you're going to get that pain, but it's not coming as smooth as this guy. But he's going to kill you. Because everybody is, Harlem had the spitters, you know what I mean? Jersey.

You know, you had a lot of Jersey niggers that was nice too. You know, like, it just, from every borough there was somebody, hollowed dawn, D&A, and that. Yeah, yeah. But come on, man. See what I'm saying? Yeah, that was that thing. Come on, man. That was that thing.

Man. No, it was a movie. And look, the energy that day? Look at that crowd. Yeah, the energy that day? You got like 100,000 a piece that day, right? Hell no. What the fuck?

See that crowd. That's the least. That's the problem? That was the problem. That was the problem. That was the problem. Damn, look at that crowd, nigga. I'm trying to tell you.

What the fuck was y'all at? And that's a no mercy crowd. Packed to capacity in that motherfucker. That's no mercy. That was you versus moot? No. This is Calico. Yeah.

Damn. Y'all at least got 50. You got 50K out there. What? No, we don't want to say the numbers. Let's just say this though. Sometimes what it means to do. But look, the craftsmanship is with.

It's worth. This lasts forever. You feel me? This is a different kind of blessing. But look. A nigga that made more money off that than what they got I'm paid for like a nigga that made so much money just because of this. So it's like, that's what I mean.

Real talk. I got you. I got you. I believe. Blessing so many different forms sometimes. Yes, yes. That's why you got to be true. The blessings coming so many different forms, man.

I got you. I was totally creativity. At that point, it was just like, all right, it wasn't even about that. It was. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah.

Yeah. All creative. Yeah. Okay. Yo, shout out of Calico. He got the winter madness. Fuck with Calico. So Calico, yeah, Calico got a dope-ass set up, man.

He did winter madness in Detroit. Like, that shit is fire. So no, some of them, they still do something like that? No, but he got winter madness. Oh, we got to check that out. Yeah. Okay. Stop the Calico.

Fags. Yeah, this is what we, yeah, we got to retune in. Like, you know what I'm saying? Everything was going on. Yeah, this, all this shit was crazy. Like, doing all of this? That's the famous trash kid right there. Yeah, but like this.

Yo, Virto, we really, the dude who's showing us to everything, he ain't know nothing. He didn't know what was going on. We really went there to look at Cascus and talking and having dialogue with him about, yeah, we got to ship the body to New York. We need it on this date. Like, we walked the whole thing. Like, this is what, you know, the showmanship. That was creative.

You know, give it the 24-7 type of shit. This grand wasn't out back then, right? No. Nah, nah. Nah, nah. It might have just been getting popping or some shit. Yeah, nah, it was, everything was pretty much on YouTube. Yep, yep.

That's what's going on. That was like my, honestly. Yeah. See, this is what I'm saying? Yeah, we was having fun. This was, honestly, the battle rap was kind of my introduction to YouTube when I really think about it. That's what I just learned today. Because I was on, I really was on YouTube.

As you can see this guy's, like, was really into his battle rap stuff. No, this, yo, Banks too. In terms of other rappers? Summerman. Cipher or a battle with Banks? Who? I always was going to ask you that too. Like, like, I'm Queens, like, just seeing Banks get busy.

Banks used to destroy niggas. Pause, you would say. Banks used to destroy niggas. No, that was good. That was cool. Yeah, we know, yeah. Destroyed niggas. Yeah, like.

Banks was a nigger that was like, maybe not. Maybe he comes like, because you got a member, we was hustling when Lost Boys dropped. So when Freaky Tide, them niggas, oh, oh, oh. recipes. Finky Tide, niggas was like, uh, uh, with the cracks. So, so niggas used to go to my man fat shot crib. We used to rap over there. So I kind of found discovered banks because banks had balls. Like he was like 15, talking about he got the razor blade in the trap of keeper,

and all this shit. I'm like, oh shit. So 50 was like, oh shit. Like he's just one of them niggas that sit, this is why I feel like niggas can't fuck with him. Because he'll sit in the crib, and just right. Like all day. Like he's one of them niggas. I'm not saying Fab is not nice. I can see him. Oh, how we get back to that?

No, no, no, no. Yo, this guy's crazy, sir. You, my man. You, my man, my man. My man. Fab is typing nigger. No, what I'm saying is. Fab is type of niggas dope outfit.

He's going to get a lick of bitches in the studio light up. He's going to catch the vibe. And he out. Banks are type And a nigga ain't leaving this to you This guy's crazy That's what I'm saying Banks ain't thinking about nothing but the boss

This guy's crazy This guy's crazy This is always It's how Fav and Banks situation come up Even if they don't know about it I will say this And I gotta say this

I appreciate I promise you I appreciate y'all brothers Be everything y'all did in hip hop Me too man I appreciate both of y'all too man

Like y'all Dependmentship Y'all are part of the DNA man As far as all All of us that get busy, that's about that Pimmonship, that really know what it is, as a New Yorker, you know what I'm saying? I got my knick's colors on. As a New Yorker, thank you, brothers, man.

Y'all, y'all save lyricism in ways that y'all have no clue. The verses, them mixtape verses will live forever, like in the minds of those that are busy. It's all bullshit, you're saying, man. No, man. Listen, no, I really mean that. This guy's a killer, man. Of course. That's how I got nice, though.

It's like, you gotta be inspired. You gotta hear niggas get busy, man. You ain't lying about that. You're not like, them niggas, man. Come on, y'all, y'all nicks know y'all, y'all mix-take-rown's crazy. I'm just saying right now, a lot of rappers, I think if like me, murder, Banks, 50, if we got in the studio and like we went song for song for song, we would destroy niggas. Like right now, I know like Banks' first fav, banks got his record. He got heaters.

Like right now, he got shit that would shut a lot. We just need to do the FAB versus Banks mixtape. All you critics? They should just do the mix tape. No, and I'm not, yo, I'm not glazing. That's what they call a glazing that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard the records.

You know what I mean? FAB would kind of be under pressure if Banks started dropping those records, bro. I'm gonna keep it real. He would try to rush and like he's a nigger that he got him. He probably got him, but he definitely don't got what Banks got. You too, murder. got some shit too. He's just waiting for niggas to pop shit. Like, Fifth, he don't be

here. Nah, yeah. Fifth is the check writer. I'm just letting this guy talk. No, this is crazy. Because like, you know, a lot of niggas, they be like, yo, Fifth, you got to rap again because Fifth will troll you to death. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's trolling you from the jet, though. Right. In the check, right. So he ain't thinking about balls. And so when the nigger come at him with the balls, 50, like, I don't, fuck it out right again, fuck it, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But if niggas, if niggas was the lock in- Y'all would have the city on fire. Let's think about-G-Unit mixtape right now, new shit.

Think about, think about, let's talk about the mix-like, let's talk about the mix-tates with G-Unit. We are always going to be the bad guys. Nobody likes us. Fine. It's cool. We live like that. He had to wrap up. Nobody ever liked him.

You know what I'm talking? Chris Lighty, man. Everybody who's with Chris Lighty. No, me. Rest the peace, Chris Light, man. Rest the peace. But we never got along with him. with nobody.

And then niggas always had an excuse for G-Unit because niggas so much we were so successful. Cereo, socks, sneaker. Yeah. Please, niggas. You know, please get the money. So niggas started hating us so much like, well, they're not outside. We had hip-hop police hating us.

No G-Unit, no dipset. Swear to God, nigger. I used to go to the club. No G-Unit! Yeah, yo, get out of here. Swear to God, nigger. Hip-hop police used to follow us around. We was number one.

We was the bad boys in the game. We was number one. one on their list. Hip-hop police was heavy. You had Superman, tall white boy. We could make a movie on them niggas. Tall white boy grab you from your belt. I just want the guns. Nigger knew, nigger knew everybody's name. Them niggas knew everybody's name. Super feds. You know what I mean? You had curly top. Remember you screaming on Pete Diddy in front of the club? I can't who you are? Curly top. You don't remember? No, I never seen the clip, though. Man, them niggas, we went to the club one night. Four

different cars. They pulled over every... Everybody's car separate. Everybody went separate ways. Somebody told him, yo, they're watching y'all with binoculars from there, hip hop police. So we got Ben, so they'd be like, yo, why G-Units in the clubs? Niggas fine. Yo, hip-hop police didn't want us in the clubs. Them niggas and be like, yo, dub it, G-unit, dub it, 50, yeah, no, dub it.

So we was the bad guys of the game. The black books they used to have. Oh. And the thing with the game is, we already know how the rap game is. Stand next to the fire. I heard Chris Lighty and a lot of people say that thing. for, rest in peace, Chris Lighty is business. Staying next to the fire.

Did he hot? We're staying over here. 50 hot? I'm gonna stand over here. We, French and everybody was around us. French is a small nigga. Acorn hot. He went from Acorn, you know, Callan.

Calid Hot. Acorn. Acorn, man. Aicorn. Acorn. I thought you'd be funny like, oh, shit. No, my fault. My fault.

I don't know what's going on. You know what I'm saying? But French, Niggas was around us. Guna Hot, stand next to the fire. P. Diddy hot? Staying next to the fire. Oh shit, them niggas over there hot.

Staying next to the fire. Who hot? Kanye hot. God, stand next to the fire. Nica, G. Oh, Cala, remember when Cala dropped. Cala hot. Everybody was standing next to that fire.

Staying to the fire. You gotta think. Niggas wasn't fucking with us. There was no fire to stand next to me. If you guys, they could do that. Other niggas could do that. There was no fire.

There was no Kumbaya, there was no. no fire. Banks didn't have that. Yo, Fab had that. Fab had that. Fab is staying next to any fire. Did he hot? Stand next to the fire. I feel you.

Yo, how we get back to that, sir? I don't know. 50 hot. Look, 50 hot. Go on tour with 50. Staying next to the fire. It's my man. Jay Z.

Oh, 50 hot. First album. Oh, put him on tour. Stand next to the fire. See you. Y'all better watch out. Stand next to the fire. Gail never had no fire.

There was no fire to stand next to except for 50 banks and niggas and men. There was no fire. Yo, which y'all had a mother-fucking. So you gotta think that's the advantage, the friendships advantage. Because the game is about standing next to the fire, too. Murder, no, man.

Murder's still next to the fire. Future. Staying next to the fire. Future, stand next to the fire. But if y'all did a G-U-the-Mix tape right now, this someone? That shit a hit. Wow, that shit would hit.

That shit would hit. Murder, New York moving right now. I like how that sounds. That's a fire. Banks 50. That's fire. Murder got records. I don't rap no more.

He gets paid. Empire. He gets paid. He gets paid. He got me good money. Set out the Empire. Shut out to Gazi. You know the vibes.

The whole crew over there, Bobby. Empire, the truth. You did, nah. That, you know, your rap, the rapos. I'm saying, I'm glad you rap. You went out the way you're supposed to win. But I definitely got to give you your flowers with that. But we can't get nobody on the show because of that shit.

though. He dissed everybody. What? If a nigga mad at that, this shit was so creative. She was so fired. I don't see Jermaine DePree tell him, yo, don't put me in that shit. When I seen Reverend Run, when I seen Reverend Run, said, yo, don't ever put me in that shit, man. That's my God too, miss.

I don't know, son. Yo, that shit was just so, it just was so dope though, man. The way he, the shit was because he, it was fired, too. It was funny, but it was funny. But it was fire. I think he's just skip a year, one year, though, because we got the podcast. I might skip it this year, man. I ain't going to hold you.

I might skip it. Ruffled too many feathers. Jermaine and Prey one of them. Everybody want to get the guy. But this is how it is, though. Trick Daddy wanted to kill him. No, no. Trick Daddy, we need you on the show too, man.

What's the pastor do that took all the money he wanted to fight him? I don't know. What's that was my name? The Brooklyn Pastor. Yeah, I didn't go to his name. I ain't go to his church. I ain't go to his church. At Cassanova, 50, all y'all y'all nigs went to his church.

I didn't go to his church. Damn, why you... We did go to his church. We didn't know what was going on before. Y'all went to his church? Yeah, he went to his church. Yeah, he went to his church. I didn't go to his church.

They didn't know what's going on. Yeah. Fifti said he was robbing God's people. He said that Juski skit was about him? He said, that Juski skit was about him? The Jusky skit? When I know, he said, when he started showing his suits and all in his closet, I was like, this guy's crazy. Phanam.

He was playing Biggie. You don't remember that pastor? Yeah, the nigger had the outfits, man. the outfits, man. Then he had like Rose Royce? Yeah, he had the Rose Royce. He was showing Gucci suits. You know what's going to be.

Yeah, he bucked out. Once I saw that, though... When he went to fight murder, I was like, yeah, this is a different kind of past. When you see the Gucci suits? No, he didn't say that. Yeah, he was doing a juice ski early, nigger. Yeah, he was doing a juke. Oh, man, free the pastor, man.

He got like nine years or something, free to pass. What? And then you remember niggas robbed the church that time. Niggas, I don't know if he old niggas bread or whatever. Oh, niggas ran down? In the church when he was. Hammers. Oh.

That was murder man. That was murder man. I can't fuck me. Murdering casanova was in that nigga church. Yo, you're free casting over to him. Free cast. Yeah,

he was in his church. That was robbing girls. Nah. Yo, hold on. That happened in Brooklyn? Yeah. Yeah, happened in Brooklyn. I think murder put him in the wrap up.

He wanted to fight him. He did. He did. He never heard of pastor pulled him out. Not everybody. Aster call you out. It's time to chill. No!

Oh my God. Yo, what's fucking love this thing? Yo, y'all's something else. Free to pass. Yeah, free to pass. Can we talk about Shivers Row with, Rain? How's... Oh, Stravers' Road, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, Stravers' Road. So look, it's... What's you called the, Jay? Strip out of his butt. Stop smoking. Shout to the unit dispo, go, go right. I'm going to stop smoking. No, Strav's Roe, it's a real, real,

Real concise project. It's a vote project. Like, we did it a while back. And it just, we didn't find the right time to, like, rain. Rain, rain is nice too. Rain, rain, dope.

He's one of them. You can make some records. He, yo, he definitely, yeah, just, it's jazz-infused. It's just a, it's like a soundtrack to the times that was going on in. And we were so beautiful

about the project, though. Me and Rain, when we was building it, we were definitely in transformative space, let me say. We was challenging each other creatively. Right. Or how we was living, you know, the conduct and how we was like just moving about.

We infused that. Like we went off that energy and everything we did with each record as we was building it, it's just, bro, creatively. How we was moving, how we was living, where it was taking the project. Man, yo, you ever had some shit that you know, it's just, it's just happened. It feels like something else is surrounding it, like everything, really, The aura behind it. I know you, I know how you are.

You are an aura guy. Very much so. So I know it's one of them. Yeah. You gotta think too much or something, don't make it exclusive no more. Right. So it's a lot of microwave music, so niggas are looking for something different. Like Alchemist doing something with Erica Badu.

I want to check that out. I would love to see you. You know, you produced with, if you had an Alchemist track, you, you're a rain. I'm gonna check with that. Oh, man. I know you said there's a project for a move coming to. I'm gonna check with that because like with music now, it's like, I love listen to Drake all for like the last two weeks, what's next?

And then sometimes too much or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe that. It's like sneakers or clothes. Like a lot of brands be big and then they flood the market. Yeah. Yeah, like that's what's working right now? Yeah.

But if something's exclusive and different, you're checking for that. So I know if you and Rain do something, I'm definitely going to check for that. Yeah. It's because it's not like we find the mainstream, the price. That's definitely not one of those. This shit was totally about, yo, that's the vibe. Feel good, let's just go. Let's just give it to who rocking with us.

You know what's crazy? I used to look at things totally different. I think it's all about having a co-following that. So before it's like, what kind of artists would you sign? Would you sign this artist that fills arenas or this artist that's doing House of Blues? And I said they're both artists. I used to think it's just, you know, of course arenas, you're going to make more money, But having a cold following of fans that ain't going nowhere.

So you got guys like Lucky. He dropped the same thing. He's number four straight. But my kids love him. He has a fan base. The Don Oliver do, right? Yeah, yeah, Don Oliver. He's, you know, in New York City, he just, he sold out USBS, Jersey, and Madison Square Garden.

There's a cold following. Yeah, nah. I think that's what it's more about is building a cold following. Yeah. And you have that. Yeah. And that's why, you know, we always gave them the sound. You know what I'm saying?

So that's why after a lot of battles, I'll drop a project just to remind people, listen, the conversations, just imagine these conversations, these thought-provoking conversations with good vibes, good music behind it. And that's pretty much what the project was. It was just really giving you substance. Like, the world is surface, the substance is where you want to go with it in terms of just everyday life. Right? People, sometimes you feel like this, you feel like that.

But this right here, there's some thought-provoking shit. I ain't gonna hold you. And then the project with Mook and some flashy Harlem shit? Or? That's that. Nah, I'm gonna say this. That thing with murder is that. Yeah, I gotta hear that one.

Yeah, that's some grit, man. Okay, okay. You gotta throw Fergie baby, Chuck Cash on there, Neve bucks. Oh, yo. Who else you making that? I like everybody you just named. True story, but- Anybody else, I don't know. Shit, you need to Anthony King.

Tell the Anthony King, check him out. He's getting his R&B space. He's fire. Who else should be? Um, shit, you need to, oh, my God, what's my, what's my, what's my, Chase? Chase, Chase Belly. What's your shit? Chase, Chase is gonna kill me right now.

He's gonna kill me right now. Chase Belly? He just, he got a dream with Max too, with, with, um, he just got a dream with, I think Biggerville and Friends. French. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Chase.

I forgot how you said, yo, you got to check for Chase. You got a 4G finesse. Yeah, my young wood Cal's, you got to check him. Um, nah, I'm a, I gotta send you some stuff. Yeah, because you know, facts, man. Facts, facts. Yeah, no, I got, yeah, it's some, yeah, you see it, y'all, that's it. Chase's belly.

Yeah. Yeah. Since we in Harlem, I'm going with, I'm going with Fergie, baby, my artist of the week. Okay, okay. Dope, dope, dope. I'm going, who are you going with Harlem from Harlem right now? From Harlem? Yeah.

I'm not up on the young guys right now. You know who I'm going to go with, though? Chase Belly. I'm going to go with Chase Belly. You know what, I'll go Chase Belly. He got a song with Max being French right now. Let's go Chase Belly. That's it.

Who's your artist of the week? Who, me? Yeah. It could be any way. It don't have to be from Harlem. We just went Harlem. Oh, that's what y'all did? Yeah.

Shit, angle front right now. I've been listening to this Strappers' Road, ragling a lot of you. And not that shit shout crazy. Shout to you and rain, yeah, August to the week. Yeah, I'm being on. When that's dropping, tell them when it's dropping. On the knife, June 9th. All right, cool.

June 9th. Make sure y'all get that. Shout to my man, Rain. I gotta go ahead. This Chase Belly record. Shout to Loaded Lux. Shout to the whole battle rap world. Yeah.

We're here to put y'all on this platform. I love battle rap. I got a school murder. I got a refresh his memory. Shout to Banks. No battle rap, and we got one of the top five best battle raps ever. Bless to being y'all thoughts. You know how Harlem do.

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