Joe and Jada - The Real Report - Mobb Deep's Havoc on remembering Prodigy, 2Pac Beef, Jay-Z at Summer Jam & Almost Signing to Puff & G-Unit

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

This episode of The Real Report with Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda features Mobb Deep legend Havoc for a raw conversation about legacy, survival, and the stories behind some of hip-hop’s most important records. Havoc breaks down life after a 40-country tour, his sobriety, the pressure of proving himself with new music, and the early days of meeting Prodigy, recording “Shook Ones,” and building the Mobb Deep sound that helped define Queensbridge. Yayo and Murda take it back to wild tour memories, G-Unit stories with 50 Cent, the Henny era, and the moment Mobb Deep and M.O.P. signed to G-Unit, while Havoc opens up about the East Coast-West Coast tension, 2Pac dissing Mobb Deep, the Jay-Z and Prodigy Summer Jam moment, the Lost Boyz brawl, and the rumor that Mobb Deep almost signed with Puff. From “Quiet Storm” and “Shook Ones” to Timberlands, army jackets, production talk, life without Prodigy, and whether another Mobb Deep album is coming, this episode is packed with classic hip-hop history, street stories, hilarious pause moments, and real reflection from one of rap’s most respected producers and MCs.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Crazy. That's, you told us some deep shit, man. Yeah, that's, yeah. Force. Everything is a pause. So if you say Bob Deep, that's pause, too? No, Mom Deep is cool, right? Okay, all right.

No, it's not a force. I'm thinking about that. I'm not really crazy. You need to get stabbed. Right. Shut the fuck up. Brooms. Rovers! Role!

What's that point you get movies with? Oh! You, brimble! Yo, Brin'all, get a... Yeah, it's the talk of the movie, I'm a bit of time. I guess that I want you. That's how my... ...andit's a lot of time.

And, rest of peace, Tony, yo. And we got the top-five Tony, yo. It's the boy Uncle Murder, aka Lear Jellin. And right now, we got the top five dead alive rap group from New York City, Mobb Deep, and rest of peace, Proudogy.

And we got the top five best producer from New York City in this motherfuckerf-f-p... and it's motherfuck. Make some noise for having. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, man.

Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Coming through. Have you already, boy. Thanks for having me. Rest in peace, prodigies. Absolutely.

Always. Mawb Deep never dies. Shout the whole prodigy family. Condolses the prodig. You know what I mean? One of the best rappers from New York City. Definitely in the top five lyricist. Marb Deep top five group.

You know what I'm saying? We got havoc here. We're gonna get right into it, man. How was overseas? Because y'all got to understand. Y'all got to understand. Maudee never dies. You understand?

Mob deep never dies. I told him, call out the next album that. Marb Deep never dies. My man just came off a 40, what was it? 40 country tour? Talk about the tour, man. Some shit like that. Now, the tour is crazy.

We were celebrating the Infinite album. You know what I'm saying? We just put that out in November. So it was only right that we went out, represent for Marve Deep, represent for Prodigy. You know what I'm saying? And the feedback was crazy, man.

Like, for real, for real. I mean, because how many years is now? I mean, Mar-Dee was out before G-U-Nit, before Uncle Murder, before a lot of mother- True, but you know what though? Like, it don't necessarily mean that that don't necessarily mean that if you make a new album that niggas gonna fuck with it, not even in Europe. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so if they, if you going out there and they sing in the choruses with you on

some new songs, like, because, you know, I'm used to going out there, you know, singing survival, shook one. and all that. You know what I mean? The classics. Classics. And then sometimes you might do a new journey and they just be like this.

You know what I'm saying? You're looking at you. Like what the fuck is this? Or because they don't know the song. It's not like they don't like it. But it's just that they don't know it. But they was vibing with us. So, you know what I'm saying?

Shout out to all the countries in Europe. And where you were? You're in Germany. Shout to Storm. Shout to Mar Dee. Yeah, yeah. I think Nooy was with you. Yeah.

And y'all was in Germany. I think y'all was in Stuggard. Name some of the places you went. Tell them you pass-for game too, man. Maude Deep is worldwide. I need one of those chains. Pass-port game. Pass-for-game.

I need one of those chains. Man, we was in Stuttgart. We was in Bulgaria. We was in Prague. You know, of course, Germany, Paris, UK, Ireland, Sweden, Amsterdam.

You was on a rough for real. Turkey. Shit. I mean, you know, the list goes on. This is why I say murder. Mar-Deepe never dies. I remember being. being on tour and went 51st sign mob deep in MOP.

And I remember the first day, he was like, what you think? And I was like, nah, these are two classic groups in hip hop culture. What was that like for you when you had the twin Porsches, acting a fool, we are on anger management tour? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know you don't drink no more. You used to get wild off the licks, though. I know.

How long you been sober for now? I mean, you know what I was saying? It's been a while. Well, I would say like three years. Three years. Congratulations on that, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Well, make you stop drinking, though, man. The fuck. Because you know why, you know, when you get older, you got to focus, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, that shit don't be hitting like it was when you in your 20s or your 30s. That shit take like five days to wear off. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

I'll be stuck to the bed like for like four days and I got shit to do. But when we first got signed- Remember that time on anger management when you stood up on the pool table like, fuck that man. It's my shit, nigga. Yo, fuck all y'all niggas. It's me, bays. He be naked shit up.

Yo, no, fuck all that shit, nigger. Fuck all that shit, nigga. And then, yo, yo, look, I swear to God. It's word to my father, look. I took your shit, look. He on a pool table, fuck y'all niggas. Because when he gets drunk, he get violent. You know what I'm saying?

Fuck y'all niggas, man. Oh, that's why you stop drinking. Yo, fuck y'all nigg. Yo, then my son just passed out, and the security had him like a baby. Right, right. Had him like this. I got that on tour.

No, he was talking about a drink in my hand. I swear to go, I wanted to fight half that day. He don't even remember. What happened? I had a drink in my hand and you crushed a drink in my hand. Like, nigger, you ain't drinking. You was pushing. Yo, when he gets drunk?

Yeah, half. I'm glad you did that to that digger. Yeah. But for me, I was tight. Because half when he gets drunk, he get out of line, sir. Yeah. He was on that pool table.

Fuck y'all niggas, man. Yo. He gets angry, bro. Oh, so that's how you stop drinking, dick, okay. He'd get crazy. I mean, you know, that's that QB shit, you know what I'm saying? Got you, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? I guess that was a hitty. Yeah, the hattie. Yeah, the hattie. Right. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you see us in the Shookmo's video with the Hennie shirt. So, you know what I mean? Matter of fact, y'all started the Hany wave when you really fucking think about it.

Us and Naz, you know what I'm saying? We fuck with that. Tupac. Tupac. Yeah, Nass was on that Hennie too. But y'all was on that handy early. See, now I can't fuck with that handy, though. You know what I don't even trust myself.

Got you. I know. I know. I'm like, Dad, like, would you wake up and motherfuckers be like, don't you want to talk to you, son? Like, you know, like, I don't even want to fucking hear me. You know what I'm saying? So you got to have right now.

You got to get the hat right now. You got the half right now. I was saying I remember the first time before 50 sound and we was in the studio with them. And it was wild because I forgot. who was in the studio, it was- It was like 40 y'all. It was like four, it was me, Smurf, Banks, mad niggas, right?

So who was the two niggas in there again? Was it? It was me, Goddy. It was Goddy. Somebody else. I forget who it was- It was Goddy and somebody. It was two of them in there.

Yeah. And they left their weed on the table. Yeah. I think you told me. Smurf went and took their weed. I remember that. They came back. I'm like, yo, son, you wilding.

He went and took their weed, like, winning their weed and shit. I'm like, yo, this nigga, wowling. That's crazy. studio with Marr Deep. He took the weed and them niggas started arguing like, yo son, you touched my weed. Yo, that shit was the cracker. But I was, I'm laughing, but I'm like, damn, we're in the studio with Maude deep right now. Because like the history of Maude is what I told him. This is what I told him. They started arguing with each other. They started arguing with each other like, you took my weed. They ain't one thing Smurf took it, but we

were smoking any shit. That shit was fucked up. You know, you know, you know how I remember it. It was, y'all came in the studio, fifth recorded, the song, boom, boom, boom, he bounced. And the weed was gone. So we called y'all and y'all made one of the niggas bring the weed back. See, I don't remember that. See, I remember that. Fifth made the nigger bring the weed back.

I don't know if it was. I don't know who it was. Because fifth get tight that shit like that. Nigger Tickets, come on, man. He made niggas bring that shit back. Look at that. See, there you go. He made niggas bring it back.

Wild Tops. Like, I was just played in a store. Stork, Doe, no. You know, murder. Because Queens get the money. I love all the Brooklyn rappers. But, um... Hey, this guy, go.

When you look at Mob Deep, right? Like, rest and peace, my men, fat shout, DJ Rough Hands. I remember going to the club when Shookwins came out. I don't care if you were Brooklyn nigger, Bronx, nigger, Staten Island, Long Island, Arlem, wherever, upstate, wherever. When Shook Ones came out, you knew it was going to be like a fight or a shootout or someone was gonna break out.

Like it was like blood sport music. You know what I mean? I know they got songs called Bloodsport. But how did you feel when Shikwins came out? No, that was that shit right there. That was that was- Like how did you feel? I was like what was your craziest club experience

performing Shikwins? You gonna say the tunnel? Cause y'all was around tunnel time. And for you kids that don't know, you couldn't wear a chain in the tunnel. They'd been chains. Niggas was checking your shoes. Niggas was getting thrown through.

Security was throwing through. You niggas do glass fucking doors. It was the wildest club in New York City for you Y-Ns that don't know. But the- The tunnel was cool, but you know, the tunnel was like, you know what I mean? It was what it is. You know what I'm saying? You had to be on your A game because Cruz was in there and all that.

But when we performed six ones in the tunnel, you know what I'm saying? It got a little wild and all that. But it usually be like out of state when they just be wild and like, you know what I'm saying? like Minneapolis, Minnesota, you know what I'm saying? Y'all was only 19 when you came up with shook ones, right? Yeah, we was like 19. That's crazy when you think about it. How did you get with Proudy?

How did everything come together? Well, I met Prodigy in high school, you know what I'm saying? The high school of art design. You know what I mean? I was in there one year before him and then he came in the next year and I used to hear that nigga coming up the hole with that nigga used to have like jewelry like slick wrecked like for For real, for real.

I mean, in high school. Like in high school, I used to be like, damn, like, yo, who this? They can walk through, like, jury and nobody not fucking with him and shit, you know what I'm saying? But we had, you know what I'm saying, mutual friends and then we became cool, but he was a fly nigga even back in high school. Like, you know what I mean? Like, for real, for real.

He was the wild one. He used to bring the crazy horse to school. We'd be drinking sane eyes in the fucking cafeteria. You know what I'm saying? Like, he used to be bringing all that shit to. school but yeah RFP that that's my brother man yeah right he's the proud of you for real so how so what studio y'all y'all did shook ones in how did that that that was the first song would you say that was the first song yeah yeah yeah so i made the beat shook ones in my crib

in queensbridge in my mom's apartment wow yeah i made that in there why you know everybody outside playing ball and all that shit i'm upstairs just making the beat and like i ain't really think nothing of it to be honest with you know what i'm saying i'm a new niggin making beats and so i'm I'm just like, all right, you know what I'm saying, beat I made, whatever. Niggas came upstairs like, yo, what's that? I was like, you know what I'm saying? Some track about the, you know what I'm saying, turn the shit off. No, do, do, do you know what I'm saying?

We took it to the studio. We took it to, I think, like, battery. Battery studios, because, you know, job records, they had a studio called, like, battery. So we took it in there, and P came with the hook, and it was old. Matter of fact, we did a shook ones part one first. You know what I'm saying? And it was a I. You know what I mean?

It was like, all right. You know what I'm saying? It's just cool. And so we needed to do a remix. And that's why I was like, you know what I'm saying, trying to make another beat for it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was.

Now when you look at the list, it was like three shook ones. Because it's called shook ones part two. Yeah, shook one's part two. Yeah. But that was like the main one that was in the club. Right, right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

So that wasn't the first one you made. Nah, I had made one before that. It was just, you know, just regular shit ones. So you made the second one, I know you was like, oh, dead. This shit's shit. Man, like, it was like a dream come true. You know what I mean? It's like, you know what I mean?

It's like if you're playing in the NBA and you're trying to get that chip. You know what I mean? I got that. When you got that, we got it. We from the ground, from the gutter. Like, you know what I'm saying? And we made a fucking hit song.

You know what I'm saying? That's a shit going crazy on the radio, Every day to video every day. But I always say, Havoc was Kanye West before Kanye West because it's rare that you got a rapper that rap and produce like Dr. Dre or Kanye. You know what I'm saying? Or there's numerous or Swiss. You know what I mean?

But like it's so many beats have there's not even a like a top five for beats. Like yeah, when you need to give it up came out with the Scarface shit, dang, damn, you need to give it. We don't give a fuck. So it was like, what you're bigger is what the life is by. And this is what I'm trying to tell you, it's not microwave music. This is music that last forever like Michael Jackson and Maltese, you know, it lasts forever, like Slick Rick and KRS 1. So it's like I just said, they came, he came off a 40 date, countries date.

Rest of the piece without Prodigy. Right. Now, if Prodigy was here, the rest of the piece of Prudy, if Prodigy was here, it would be a fucking problem. Mar-Dee went through eras of hip-hop when New York wasn't glazing. I'm gonna keep it real.

I'm not saying they glazing now, but you had niggas like Haitian Jack running around, Tut running around. It was extortion kings out this motherfucker. Facts. No what I'm saying? The tunnel was a movie. You know what I?

Talk about the era of like the beef with Tupac when, you know, snooping them at LA, LA, LA. Right. Did they come to, did they really get shot out in New York? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Brooklyn? In Brooklyn?

Yeah. And then y'all came out with LA, LA. Yeah. Because that was the original first. I was so happy when y'all came out with that LA. It felt like nobody in New York wanted to do nothing at that time. I was so happy when you got to get with that shit.

You know what I'm gonna. Go ahead, brother. Just let me finish. So when LA, look, when LA and LA came out, gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. Get the fuck I hear of that gentleman's shit. When LA, LA, LA came out, y'all, like he said, y'all was the only niggas that said something.

The beat was crazy. Yeah. And Prodigy, Tragedy was on that one. You, niggins was going crazy. Compone and Oriette. All we knew is Snoop came to LA, got shot at. So that was like, yeah, that was, y'all was in between the East Coast, West Coast beef before Pock and Big.

How was that? And Pock Dis, you know, when he did Machaveli, was it Machiavelli? He said, Proudy had sickle cell? Yeah. That was my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was like, nobody knew Proudy had sickle cell to hot, did it. What's the temperature like?

What's going through mom deep head and niggins through Queensbridge and all the gangsters heads? Would you, were you that young? You're like 18, 20, 21. That shit is like fun to you. You know what I'm saying? You like, well, come on, fuck it. Let's get it pop.

Oh, let's go. Let's go. Like, fuck it. When we see you, we see you. Like, you know. Of course. You don't care about the suit. You don't give a fuck.

You know what I mean? So it was just one of those things. I kind of like, I figured that that beef was probably going to get real. You know what I'm saying? If we bump heads, you know, I mean, because it's pop. Of course, of course. He older than us, you know what I'm saying? And he's going to be like, oh, talk.

You know what I'm saying? We got a thousand diggers with us. I know they got a thousand niggers with them. It just probably wouldn't have been good. Like, you know what I mean? But it never happened. You never happened? You never ran it to pop?

Never, ever. I seen them once. when I was like 16 at what's that called Jack the Rapper or how to be down. Oh, so this is before or this is before, that's all right, copy, copy, copy. We was just, you know what I mean? I think we was on 4th of Broadway, you know what I mean, trying to get our feet wet and, you know, you see Tupac because, you know what I'm saying, he was even famous back then. Yeah, yeah, facts, you know what I'm saying?

We just kids in the background and shit just like looking like, oh shit, they go Tupac. And that's the only time I ever physically laid eyes on them. There's a picture online with Tupac and you see prodigy all the way in the back. Like word of the mother, like pee-in' the back. So we was in the same room with them and shit like that. Oh, look at that. That's crazy. No, that's real.

But even then- Fast-forward, he dishing y'all on Machiavelli. You know what I'm saying? Because back then we loved that beef. Yeah, that was some of us. We loved it too. Yeah, that's a pause. We love that static pole.

We love that static. So hold on, when big you had was beef. Was that a pause? Huh? That's a pause now. Biggie was beef? What's beef? I mean, if I'm singing out in the call?

If we're going on today's rules and how things go, that might be a, you know. Man, when's the pause meter coming for this guy? I'm just saying. Huh? Oh, no, all right, that was for pause. You did. Even the producer saying that was a pause, so.

All right, we love that static. My bad. Yeah. Okay. When you think about it, y'all was beefing with Tupac. Like, when y'all in the studio and you chilling, you in Queensbridge, I know, like, you know, niggas in it, like, yeah, we going to kill Pock. I know a couple of nigs like, can't wait to kill these niggas. They come to New York.

I know it was all kind of shit. Like, back then, you was getting wrapped up into the action. Yeah. Like I told you, Marne Deep. Look, I'm on, I'm from 1, 3, 4 and God Brewer. All I was pitching all night. You know, I'm the type of nigger when everybody say they're leaving. I get happy because I know I'm going to get all.

all the money. There's no competition. So the whole boulevard was going with the lost boys, rest in peace, Freaky Ty, his brother Jay Ball, B.W. You know, all these, all these niggas from 1, 3,4 going to show. When they come back, you know, a couple of things got scratches on him. You know, my man Sunshine had blood. He had like a BB, one of them BB belts before the time. It was like, just some wild looking shit, but he looked like you can beat a nigga with it. He had blood on it. I'm like, you what happened? Niggas, like, we had a bro with Ma Beat. I'm like, word.

So I would have been there if I would have went. You know what I'm saying? I told him that. Talk about that Mar-Dip, Lost Boy, bro. I was talking about that shit. You know, this actually was like our first show ever. It was like our first show ever. And, you know, Lost Boys was on the bill.

It was on 23rd Street. I never forget it. You know, everybody from the project is happy. Like, oh, shit, y'all got a, Mon Deep got a show. The whole projects is going. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Queensbridge.

Like, literally. Was you guys at the time? Like, oh, so we about to do some shit with lost boys? Or niggas was like, man. They were in their own zone. I can't even remember if I even knew who they was, to be honest with you. I don't know. Maybe I, yeah, I think I heard of them because they was like from South Jamaica and all of that.

Oh, so this before they had their record, popping at that. Yeah, they might have had something out. The renish and all that, the, the race, because they had left schools with me and the bins and all like. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't no beef between us and them. It wasn't no beef. But it's that thing, right? Like, Queensbridge, Jamaica, Southside.

Yeah. It's like, it's a little, you know what I'm saying? It's a little, you know what I'm saying? The competition, it's a little ego. So you really, like, whatever, you ain't jacking really what they're doing. Not that it's beef, but you ain't even checking for like that. Cousins, but like, you know what I'm saying? Like, trying to outdo each other and shit.

Because everybody knows Southside as wild. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Southside. Like we're from this side of Queens. But, you know, but we still go out there. Of course. and hang out. I remember one time being out there when we was on 4 for Broadway, it was this place called the Notting House. You remember that? Yeah, Notting House. The Notting House. Some little party

was going on over there and we was in there. It was like, fuck it, yo, go get the mic, go rap on the mic and shit. All right, fucky, so get up there, start freestyle. We basically in the back of 40 projects or some shit like that, you know what I'm saying? So we rapping. All right, cool. That was cool. Get off the mic. The niggas from Jamaica got on. Niggas from Jamaica got on the mic there. It was like, you'll be a fuck all that Queensland shit. We all are all of the life. We like, oh, oh.

But, but that happened, nothing happened. It's like, all right, fuck. It was a hip-hop. I'm gonna talk about the lost boy fight. Rest of peace, freaky tile, man. I'm gonna talk about the Los Boy fight. Because I would afford ya'nig's back in the days if I would have win. Son, you would have to know, you would have to know karate.

The thing is would have to beat you up. You would have no karate. You would be a guy. You would nobody beat you. We had karate niggas with us. We had karate diggers. Be wilders, if he tired of the niggins was crazy karate niggins too. Jay Bull, I don't see flogic niggins.

Yo. They wasn't fuck. They didn't come back that twisted where y'all beat the shit out. You just said they came back twisted. Now let my man have blood on his belt. Then let my man have tell a story, man. Because you wasn't there, bro. So, nah.

You know what happened? We performed or whatever it is. They performed. But you know, niggas from the projects, they still lingered around and probably one nigga bump, one nigga. And then it just was like a battle roy wheel in the streets. Niggas was cutting, niggas, getting cut back. And, you know what I'm saying?

It was just, I already had bounce. I already had left because, you know, me, I just do the show, grab something. Out. The end of your niggas come back a little bruised up. Of course. Yeah, everybody, you know what I'm saying? A couple of niggas, come on. It was a-knit.

You know, what's it? You're a, man. Niggas from my hood. Them lost boy niggas was brawlers. Them niggas wake up in the morning, drink devil spring. and fight, nigga. Ha, ha, ho, every day, nigga. I tell you, oh, huh, huh, oh.

Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a I said, I don't know about that, I don't know about that, I don't know what three, four, nigga. I'm telling, I was there, niggas, you were trying to take, you're trying to, you're trying to OD, nigger, how you're talking to y'all was a dude? You don't have to be doing. To this day, you know, having stuff me back in the days.

Yeah, right. What happened to me, though, too? Look, security, you know, big house. He's the size of the room. That nigga took me down in one of them clothes before. Pause. Pause. Yeah, yeah.

My nigga. No, but he did some, like, not pause, he did, he did some like, some like, he did some like sweep shit. His man sweep me. Pause. And then, and then I fell to the ground, pause. And then he just, he had a name. I can't get down, pause. My house is like 400 pounds.

But look, fast forward, he, shady, shady Eminem. Right there. And it's no love. So I could afford your little. My guy, he's still on the same. But look, but look, to this day, mad cool and freaky tired. Like, for real for real, you know what I'm saying? Mad cool, cool, like, you know, bumped into them so many times.

And for a long time, it was just like beef for no reason. Because it'd be niggies from your projects, Niggas from day projects. You know, sometimes the rap is to be the cool ones and shit like that. But when there's too many niggis there, somebody going to bump somebody and it's just be... Was Queensbridge ever cool? What's the other project? I'm bugging me.

Who? Next to Queensridge. What is it? Ravenswood? Ravenswood. Y'all never got along, no? Yeah, yeah, no, no. We was kind of cool.

You had niggas from Ravenswood in the entourage, too? I'm sure, like, a couple of Ravenswood niggas was there, but you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know the politics now, you know what I'm saying? But back then it was... It was kind of cool. I think Queensbridge and Wavens would it still be. I mean, you know, I heard some stories, but I don't, I, you know, I, you know, I don't know, I, you know, I don't know. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But, um. So how was the tunnel? Were you got any girls in the tunnel? Well, how was the tunnel? What was the temperature like in the tunnel like? The tunnel was just. Tell me the ill tunnel stories.

I want to hear the shook ones. First time you're performing. I want to hear the second time. Y'all was in the tunnel. Did you see anybody get robbed? Because I know they had the no chain shit. Yeah. You know, I mean.

Check your boots. Couple of, I mean, see, look, Chris Lighty was at the door, so we was getting in with shit. That's a beach, that's a beach, you know what I'm saying? Liddy. Lick's having T-Code. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? So he was letting us in with it, you know what I mean?

So we was just cool, you know, we was chilling. Nothing never really jumped off. You know what I'm saying? That I could remember, you know what I mean? But the tunnel was a dangerous place. Very dangerous. Now, talking about the home back in the days, the beef the mob had with Jay-Z, right? Poor.

Do you think that was good? or bad for hip hop at that time? What you think? I'm not going to say it was bad for hip hop. You know what I mean? Because, you know, hip hop is a contact sport. Pause, right? Right.

Okay. I thought that one. I'm getting it. I'm getting it. But for me, it was just like, it was just kind of unfortunate because I'm like one of those people that I'd be hoping that niggas can get along. and join forces because other states be like that. You know what I'm saying? They be, you know what I'm saying?

Clicked up for real. You know what I mean? And New York is like one of the few places that niggies don't be really together like that as a force because New York is so separated automatically as soon as we born, the boroughs. You from Brooklyn. Queens, you know, definitely.

It's like so people don't understand it. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if murder will remember this, but this is how I viewed it. I feel like Proudy and E-Money Bags, rest in peace, E-Money Bags, rest in peace, Prodigy. Was trying to debo J-Z that time on the radio. That's when J-Z had an artist called H-Money Bags. If you do your homework.

I'm-M-Money Bags. And E-Money Bags was a gangster. Everybody know, Niggas, him, H-Mahmo, and Troy could take over the whole Queens when they had them things in their hand. Right? Cool. E-Money Bags was on the radio. And J-Z had an artist named H-Money Bags and Prodigy. put them on the phone.

Isn't that how to beef started? The static? I mean, pause. Nah, no, that's not how to beef started, but that probably escalated it. You know what I'm saying? What happened was, like we was talking about L.A. L.A. Right? We made the song L.A. L.A.

And then J.Z did an interview somewhere. Prodigy saw it. And I guess they asked Jay Z. You know, no matter of fact, Jay Z made the song talking about like New York been soft ever since Snoop. kicked the buildings. Got you. But Prodigy felt like we wasn't acknowledged for making LA, LA.

How could he say that if we made LA, LA, you know what I'm saying? So Prodigy kind of took it personal, you know what I'm saying? And I kind of understand that because y'all did rap. Y'all rap. And we didn't really get no recognition for that. Like, you got to be like a hip hop fan to really know about the song. You know what the song ain't really, you know what on the street level, on the streets, yeah.

The streets knew what was going on like that. But you know, but you know, you know, But you know what I mean, like on the radio. I know what you made, copy. On the radio like that. I mean, to me it didn't matter because the DJs was grabbing it. True. Like once, once Snooping them had New York, New York, big city of dreams.

Y'all came to, y'all disc record was like maybe three, four or eight, maybe a week later, a couple of days later. So I remember my man, rest of peace, rough hands, had that joint. Man, L.A., L.A., big city of dreams. So that's crazy from there. That's what it was. Right. Like they didn't get no recognition. Right, because Jay-Z did an interview.

And then in the interview, no, no, no. They was interviewing Pete. You know what I'm saying? They asked him about Jay Z. You know what I'm saying? And he just went off. And he called Jay out his name in the magazine. And then Jay caught that.

And then that's when the takeover. How did you, how did you, where was y'all at? How did you feel? Because the takeover was fine. He was coming at Nause. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in at anybody. No, I mean, you know, Jay is ill.

You know what I'm saying? Well, how does you feel like, you fuck that nigga I'm going in the booth? Of course. You know, I don't know, that shit just felt crazy. Because we was overseas when we heard about it in the summer jam screen and all that shit. And we just like, looking at each other like, you already know what it is. Like, we got to get in that booth and just go crazy. Go crazy.

I think Jay was in this mode at that time. That's when, like, now I know he's not saying this and everybody is crazy. and everybody is crazy. But when you really think about it, Jay was the most disrespectful nigger. Naz, y'all, know what I'm saying? He went in. You little fuck suck out money stacks bigger than you. He went in.

And then he had hot nine seven. Shout to hot nine seven. They was jacking with him. They was working with him. They was letting him do what he wanted to do. He had to remember with now. He had the upper hand. He had the upper hand.

He did. I remember what Noges is beefed with a high 97 to at that time. He had. He didn't want to let him hang on. He went to one of five. Yeah. He despised that. Blackout.

He went crazy. They didn't want to let him hang Jay. And then you got to think about it. When Jay put Prodigy on a summer gym screen, that was the first time a nigga really trod. Some shit like that. Yeah, it was kind of. That was the first troll ever.

You was a ballerina. I got the pitches I've seen you. Yeah, that was crazy. Rest and peace to pee, but people don't know. His grandmother was like one of the most biggest dance choreographers in the world. But that was OD though, because. He wasn't even dressed like what Jay described, you know what I'm saying? But everybody jacked it, you know what I'm saying?

He just was at the dance school with like a Michael Jackson jacket on, like all of us probably wore, you know what I'm saying? That his grandmother's dance studio. But he, but he, but Jay, he milked it. He was like, oh, I see you, ballerina, I see you. Facts, but it wasn't. It wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. Okay.

Come on, bro. I know, because Proud of G. grandmother in Queens is one of the biggest dance teachers back in the days. In Jamaica, Queens, yeah, yeah. So I know mad people at family, everybody went to the school. So ProudiGy probably took some lessons or whatever, or how did Jay get the picture? That's number one. Easy.

That's easy. Spres some money, man. Not even money. Not even money because somebody that went to Prodigy's grandmother dance school was really tight with that circle right there. Oh, okay. It was really tight with that circle. So you kind of try to guess who that is.

Like, you know, I ain't dropping those names now. Yeah, say what it is. No, no, no, it's over now. But they went to the school and they was, you know, they was, you know, they was, you know, they was right in that circle. Because I told Pee, I said, come on, you already know how they got that. You know what I said? Oh, somebody in his camp went to the school. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so they went to the studio and gave that? It was a good chess move. It was a good chess move. It was a good chess move. It was a good chess, boss. But it was definitely, you know, a good time at war. But I felt like Mar-Dieke was one of the classic groups in New York City at that time.

So I feel like it kind of built Jay Carrere when he was dissing niggers. I'm not saying he wasn't nice, he had shit, but come on takeover. I remember when that came out. I was living on Springfield Boulevard. I remember when that shit, that was like a big disc record. The takeover. Yeah. You know.

And the Hot 97, you know, everybody- It was a fun time. You know, everybody don't know. It was a... No, it was a... Nah, it was a... No, I like it. I'm keeping it real.

Can you talk about your other than pick? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my man. I know. You know, you're the fuck I get that shit, man. I'm just keeping it in real. I know, but I just keep it. I don't want to hear that shit right there.

You know what I... Oh, you want to hear it? I'm reminiscing. I'm reminiscing. I'm reminiscing. I think it's here. Fuck that. I was happy with on that hendy, nigger.

You would have crushed your fucking cup, right? You would have grabbed your fucking cup and said, listen, dicker. Cill the fuck out. I like you drunk more. I like to tell you a little. You got my nigga half cool right now. Nah, you don't think about it. No, I'm lying.

Yo, look, look. You got to look, this is how I look at Marlis, Queens all day. Queens get the money. You know what I'm saying? You know, we're acting like you're going to right now. No, I'm not acting like for me. No, what I'm saying is, hey, this is what I'm saying.

If the, if the, if the, if the. If the best niggas in the game, if Tupac and Jay Z get at you, what that mean? That means you're the fucking best. No, of course. We know that. We know the history of them is getting at you. You the fucking best. Of course.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So when you started making, like, What made you start fucking with the MPC? Because I know you had the NBC back then, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what made you start? Because like, you're not regularly. You're not like, you know, we have producers,

you know you got dudes that made, what-up gangster. Right, right. He made, that was like, to me, his biggest shit. Even punched them made seductive. I feel like some producers just, I'm not gonna say they one hit. You can say they one hit producers? I mean, they get that one record. They get that one record.

It's still a big record to give him recognition. But what I'm saying is how do you stay insisting like, what's your thought process making a beat? Because you're definitely like top five in producers. Yeah, you were going to go crazy on the Marbley. You're up there with Swiss, Timberlin, you're up there with Just Blaze. You're up there with M&M. Like, what the, what the fuck?

Like, what's your process? When you get in that energy from the hood, you know what I'm saying? That energy is crazy, you know what I'm saying? So it's powerful. You know what I mean? When you are trying to make it up out of somewhere, you know what I mean? And you focused and you're not going to parties and you're not doing none of that.

You're just like, man, fuck it. I'm working on this music. So you know what I mean? That's how it came. So you make it shookones, you make it survival. And you come with the next album, you make a hell on the earth. You know what I mean? And then after that, you make it its minds

and quiet storm and all those things. It's just like, it's momentum. You know what I'm saying? And you just keep going. And the reason why the MPC is because I love technology. See, I didn't. make the shookones part one on the NPC. But when it was time to make Shook Ons Part 2, I was introduced to the NPC and I just love

that shit. Like, you know what I mean? I really loved it. And I just used it with the keyboard and that. You know what's crazy? When you say part two, that's really part one, because the other one I don't really listen to. Probably you're part two.

That's the main one. That's why I was bugging when I was playing it the other day in the car and I'm like, it do say part two on that. I was bugging like, part one, it's a red. It's a red. It's a red. Nobody even really know that until you look at the You know what?

You'd be surprised. You know that song by Big Pun? What's that song? He got the song and he used prodigies. Beware. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Beware. That's your point one. That's crazy. That's a good one. Beware, beware. I gave you fair warning. That's what's why I was. So, so they're listening to that.

To what I got you. But we just needed something more bouncier, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So what was your, what was the thoughts when you made Quiet Stone? Because that's another one. I was in my crib. And what simple is that? That's white lines.

That was white lines. That was right line. That was my sugar hill game. That shit was crazy. I ran out of samples. How did you chop that shit up? How you chopped that shit? I ran out of samples.

I was just, I was like, damn, I listened to all the records already. And I'm looking at, you know, the sugar hill gang. We all know the beat. You know what I'm saying? We love the song, but it's like you can't really do nothing with it. It's just like, it's a record just did and it's that. I said, fuck it, man, let me just, you know what I mean? So I put the record on.

I said, what could you do to this? And I just slowed this shit down. Yeah, I slowed it. Because the record is fat. I just slowed it down. And then I got the triton keyboard and just did some keys on it. And I left it in the computer for like a month. No lie.

And then P used to come to my crib every day, go down straight to the basement and just be listening to the beast that I made. I'd be upstairs sleep. And I came downstairs. He's like, you have it. What's this? I was like, you know what I'm saying? Whatever. You always was confused about something too, right?

P was from Queensbridge? No, P was from... Long Island. Lephrack. Lefrak and Long Island. Okay, copy. Okay, copy. But when he came to Queensbridge, I mean, that nigga soaked that shit up like a sponge.

Copy, definitely. I've seen the argument online. Somebody, two motherfuckers was arguing with each other saying I was from Long Island and Pee was from Queens Bridge. Got you. You know, that's how much, you know what I'm saying? He embraced the hood. Yeah, because they said Pete from Hempstead.

Eric B from Long Island. I know Rock Kim from Long Island too. And did you know Nyes before all that shit? Like before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the whole rap thing took off like that? Yeah, yeah. I knew Nyes since I was about seven, eight.

Oh, right, copy. You know what I'm saying? We used to go to the same daycare together, all of that. And then I hung back out with doing when I was about like 14, 15, we used to hang out, shit like that. I knew his mom's, you know his brother and all that. So when y' y'all started making music and all that shit together. music and all that shit together. Well, you know, we didn't really make music together until like both of us made it.

You know what I mean? He made it first. I made it second. Me and P made a second. And, you know what I mean? Nah, he jumped on iPhone now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

By, I for a four, I. We hit this together. We didn't get together. Look at the fuck the fuck up. Let's talk the fuck up. We didn't this together. So you're up. That's why Jay had to get at the mall.

That's why Jay had to get at the mall, nigga. Come on, they was the greatest. You know, let me blow shots at these niggas. You know what I'm saying? Let me blow shots at Nyes. Because Brooklyn, was Biggie out yet? Biggie out.

Biggie out. You had Biggie out. Big was out. I saw y'all really, y'all had Big and J. But niggas, we can't forget about Capone and Noriega. Strategy Cadfee. Queens was running. running shit at that point.

Yeah, yeah, I had the wave. But the mob, without everybody, tragedy, Gaddafi, all of them niggas was fired, but the mob deep was like, everybody, no, like I said, a lot of niggas, even Brooklyn rappers, none of them really had, some of them Brooklyn rappers don't got blood sport records. Like, like, Shook Ones was like, when that shit came on in the clubs, because I've been in, things I understand, I've been in every club that been shot up, every hole in the world club. How about some hardcore? Yeah, we like the rock, pause. Might have to say pause, right, damn.

That was fun. Y'all got that one. I reckon was fun. But if we have a debate. MOP. But if we have a poll. Brooklyn, Nick. If we have a poll, if we have a poll, pause.

I guess. I'm a shook one. Shook was real murder music. Like, when that came on, it's time for DJs to pack up. You heard Eddie? It's time to pack up. That's when you know, oh, shit about to get shot up. These niggins in here.

Oh, shit, it's crazy. Pack up the records. Like, you know, when that shit come on, in the first, it wasn't, and the thing that makes Shook wins a Hall of Fame killer record is because when that shit come on, that's when you start packing up. That's you stuck off the middle. A lot of Brooklyn niggas don't got shit like that. Shut the fuck up, yeah.

I try to tell him, that's fight music. Prodigy, come on, Prodigy, Willie was on the same level as Jay. Jake, he got that because the best kid at the best. Bob Deek, look, Tupac was mentioning him. Come on, nigga. The takeover was about, the takeover was... I always told me back on. The takeover was a distorse now.

He was talking that shit for real, boys. Be used to be talking that shit. Come on. Illuminati got my mind soling. We didn't even know what Illuminati was back then. Right, right. DJ, don't get me whacked over there because DJ's Illuminati.

He only eat eat eat eat about a sandwiches. Aluminati shit he'd be doing over there. But he was like, Illuminati got my mind, soul and my body, secret society. Chon, come on, man. Jay had to get at the Queens niggas because it was the takeover. Don't keep it real.

That's why he called it to takeover. Think about it. He got that Nause and Mobb Deep, the whole record. You back to that, my nigga? I'm just saying you back to that. This nigga went back to that. I'm not going to that. You went back to that.

All I'm saying is the best. Look, the best had to go at the best. Of course. That's hip-hop. That was hip-hop. I see, no, yeah, we're bad. We're a competitive sport. Yeah, yeah, we're competitive sport.

It's a competitive sport, man. Battle tested. Mobb Deep got classic albums. Battle tested. You know what I'm saying? Whole of fame. So how has life been really a little bit as far as the music shit? Yeah, just everything overall, like without project.

Because I actually met his daughter one time. Shout out to his daughter. She had old team music and all that. Shout to her son too. How that whole transition been like still trying to make the music and all that shit? Man, it's very, very different. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like night and day.

Like, you know, I'm still try to do what I do. you know, losing, it's like not like, you know what I lost my brother, you know what I'm saying. No matter what we went through, you know brothers fight. Of course, of course. Niggas go through shit and whatever, whatever. But, you know, every time I think about it, you know what I'm saying? That's it, it fucked me up. No, definitely.

It fucked me up. Because, you know, I lost my real brother in like-Kill-A-Blatt. Ninety-7. I was Killing. He was a crazy, nigger. Because y'all, y'all said, we felt like we knew him. him because you always said wrestling people. You're gonna be a lot.

You repped him a lot. That's a fact. What was the shit about what was the shit? What was the shit? What was the shit? I think when y'all was talking about the drinks. Drink away the pain. Y'all had so much, like that's what I'm saying?

Mawd deep just got, I'm still bumping mom deep in the whip, dog. No facts. I play that shit. The beats, like your beats. Because I'd be trying to tap in sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Like to think about, you know, to talk to my 19 year old self, just listen to it real. just listen to it real quick and shit like that. But yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Because y'all niggas made some hits. Only one you didn't make was Shelter Alchemist, Keep It Thore. Which one? Keep it though. And that was fire. That was fire.

You know, because you know how I'd be feeling like with production, I don't know. Maybe I'm old school. I don't know. The beats was just different back then. Like it was like a nigga make a beat and nothing sound like that. Right. Like Quiet Stone or, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Right, right. Nothing sounds like that. Like you, come on, man, you simple the shit out of Scarface and Godfather. Like, nigger, nobody was thinking like that. Godd. Godfather, part three, what? I'm surprised. To fly.

And yo, and the skits was crazy. You see that nigga right there? Yeah, right here, son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, hit him, hit them, pause. Hit them, hit them, pause. Hit them, hit them, pause. You on point, you on point.

I'm over here watching, you on point. I'm going to two years. But that's how the skit is. Hit him, hit him. Paws. Man, everything's a fucking pause. You can't eat a hot dog? You gotta eat a hot dog.

You gotta eat a hot dog. Gotta eat hamburgers and fucking. Everything is a fucking pose, man. I'm keeping it real, man. But what's that- What's that new shit they be having all live with the Jamaican voice be in the back of Banti, boy. Yeah, you better believe it.

You better believe it. Can't be playing out here nowadays, man. This shit too real, man. Everything is a pause, though. Go get the orange juice. Pause. Y'all got to put my dog. Wait, hold on.

You got to say pores will get the orange juice. Yo, with this nigga, everything's. You get the orange juice. You're good with that, man. You're good. Like I said, beefing with pop. That was crazy. So when you heard the pop, when you heard Machiavelli,

do y'all like listen to the whole album when y'all was like... Nah, I ain't gonna lie. You ain't gonna lie. You ain't listen to the song? Nah, I never even really, at that time, I didn't listen to the whole album. But then I later, I listened to the disc record. I listen to the disc record.

I listened to the disc record, but I later on found out that he dissed a song like four songs. Like if you listen to the album, like he was going in. That's just the main one that everybody heard. Yeah, but he was taking a few shots. But if you go, if you listen to the album, you're like, oh shit, like he was like really pissed. He was angry. Y'all and Snoop was the first East Coast West Coast drama.

Yeah. It was like, you know how the West Coast is. West Coast best coast, cuz. Those cars, you know, L.A. is L.A. They stick together. Like, Detroit stick together. New York, we, you know, we used to stick together. Like, you used to be New York person. Did we? I feel like it was like that a long time ago. New York versus everybody. When?

You're talking about- Rappers used to come back in the mob deep days. Rappers used to come down here and get booked, not get greeted and all that. That's not sticking together because niggas came out and got raw. I be talking about it. Oh, that's different. Yeah, the niggins used to come and get up. But niggas wasn't sticking together.

But if New York go somewhere, they was old then, New York is in the building. Niggas is wilding. Like it used to be like that. But you know what though? Niggins did used to stick together, but it was behind the scenes shit that never got recognition. Like, you know, Big and Nyes, they visited each other's... But you never knew that. You start finding that shit out years later, like just now, damn, there.

You start finding out how cool it was. But you never knew that. Big Nyes? Put like this. Back in the days, you thought Big and Nyes didn't live. like each other. The way I used to look at it, it felt like it was competition where they didn't like each other. From the outside looking there, you would have thought they didn't like each other, have. Right. But you find out years later, these niggas was cool, pulling

up on each other, all type of shit. In the beginning. In the beginning. Yeah. Didn't they do a record for somebody to get? No, it wasn't them. They never had a record. Who? Biggie and Knows never had a record. They never had a record together. Nah. I was thinking about Shaq. But who Shaq had to get on the record back in the days? I forgot that. Biggie, nigga? He got bigger, but he had somebody else. He didn't have Nyes on there. It wasn't now. He had two people on the record that never did a record together.

Exactly. That's what I'm trying to think out who it was. He's the only one that did it. It might be, it might be. It might be, I don't record with Biggie. It might be. It might be in Nass and Biggie. Biggie and Nause never had a record.

Nah, but on the Shack record, Shack got two artists together that never did that. That's what I remember from back in the day. It's something like that. I don't remember it being Nass. I would remember that. It might be. Entrepreneur. Consuel.

Shut up, yeah, yo. All this I would have remembered that. All on one song. But they was on one song? One song. There you go. What the fuck are you talking about? All you don't know what you talk about.

They wasn't on one song? Biggie and Knives was on a song together? What? Never heard of that. Which one? He's saying it was on an album, but they wasn't on one song. But they all on different songs. None of them was on a song together?

No, Biggie and Niles was never on a song together, brother. Who Shack had on the record? Who was it? Shaq featured with what? Because he had two people on the same record It wasn't Niles and Biggie nigga I would have heard that record

Yeah Shaq featuring Biggie and who If you talk about that Make it that rain You can't stop their brain Yeah but that's on the album Well you know what Yeah

You might be right Yeah, I never did a song With Biggie It was a little something there You know how have you Just don't want to talk about it But now it's come up here Talk about it

A lot of niggas was mad. Think about it. A lot of niggas was mad at Nause and Mald D. We ran the game. Queens ran the game at that time. Like Jay and Big, they came, but come on. Maudeek was- Pause.

Pause. Yeah. So Mar-Dique was before Big, right? Y'all was, y'all before Big. All around the same time? No, no, no. Because Big had party and bullshit. Big came out first.

Big came out first, but we was out before Jay-Z. No, but Big had party and bullshit. What year, dog? Where year was partying bullshit? 93. Like, 93. 94 or 9. 9 4?

And what year his shipwins came out? No, no, no, no. It was 9 3 and then Biggie came out with his album in 9 4. What year the shook ones come out? 9 5. I mean 9 4, my bad. 9 4. 9 4.

And you said Biggie album came out of 9 4? His album came out of 9 4 and then we came out with shook ones in 9 4. Damn, I thought Shik ones came out before that. No, 9 4. And then we came out with the album in 9 5. You ain't a crook, son. Yeah, it's a shook one. You're just a shook one.

That was that shit, man. Yeah, because Queens was running shit. Nazz and them and Jay, you know, now Biggie and Jay was on the wall. Yeah, Queens was man. Now, Brooklyn had it, though. Brooklyn was running. Biggie. What you think Nause and Bigg ain't have a record?

Something there. That's this competition. That's the ego. You don't know how them balls. Biggie had balls. But if Nyes and Big was on a record, that's a debatable who got the best verse. who got the best verse shit. That's a real debate.

Of course that would have been a debate back then, man. Of course. Because you had a song with Jay, which was a classic. What was that? 22. Brooklyn record. Brooklyn Finest. Brooklyn.

Me, Jay and Fab. How was you feeling on the hour for or not? Because that was a classic. Is that the song that go, Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Brooklyn Finest don't go like that. No, no.

You talk about Brooklyn Finers. That's with Jay Z and Big. Oh, yeah. Oh, that one. Yo, but how was it? You produced out for a night, too, right? Yep. Oh, my God.

I did that. I did that. I made that right in the studio, right in front of everybody. This right this, made the beat real quick. That was in the bag on that. Did you produce more money, more murder, more homicide? No. Oh, I don't think so.

No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I might have. You sure? I don't know. What the fucking? You know what? There's a lot of beats that I did that I'd be forgetting, you know?

What made you go on your scarface, bad? on that window because we was watching that shit every day. We was watching that shit every day. We was watching it every day. So I'm like, yo, this intro sounds crazy. Intro sounds crazy. So I made the beat in my head. Benita Applebone drums, Scarface B, fuck it, let's go.

Niggas this, smoke that shit. You don't know. You know, Benita Applebone is like such a classic from Queens, another one. Yeah. I remember when that shit comes on in the clubs back in the days, that's what I'm saying, like, shipwints, That, like, those like, I don't know, man, just for music, it was just a crazy time to be a young nigga in the club, man.

And them shit's come on. Like, I'm telling you, niggas getting any fucking eight-ball jacket stolen and shit. You know what I'm saying? Niggas get robbed for their shit. Once that shit. Come on, Sean. To all the killers in the $100 bellas.

And that shit, come on. Niggas who ain't got no family. Niggas just, oh! And did you? Because I don't been in parties and see niggas. South, son. North side. I remember being in parties like that.

Like, nigger, it'd be a whole bunch of Southside niggas, North side niggas, or whoever. I've been in house parties like that. Crazy. You know what I'm saying? Crazy. Because every, it was a lot of DJs around my way. Shorty Black, my man Lowe's, Troy.

They used to DJ mad parties. You know what I'm saying? So shit used to be. I remember a party in 1-27 America. That shit came on. And I'll never forget that shit. To all the killers in the hundred-dollar bills. Shout outside, niggas.

No, I'm shot, niggas. Shots start ringing off, nigger. Y'all heard rumors before back in days. Y'all was supposed to sign with Puff. That was true? Y'all was supposed to do some stuff with Puff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, dead ass.

We used to, like, Pee. Paul, he said that dead ass, got to put me. Right, Paul, my bad. Dead ass. Damn, everything is something. Nah, I got to put my . Nah, it's getting ridiculous. I don't give a fuck.

Go ahead, for this is going to be there. Back in high school, me and P used to be. like, you know what I'm saying, going to check puffs sometimes. He had a club called, like, it was like Daddy's Night or Daddy's House. You know what I'm saying? Some shit like that. Pulse. Yeah, yeah.

I thought it was terrible. Yo, yo, yo. Yo, you. You know. It was getting mad ridiculous. I'm surprised. Hey, yo. Poor.

Hey, yo. I thought, oh, God. He just trying to say too much poor. No, no, that was crazy. She said it, Daddy's night, Daddy's. Yo, soon as I said it. Yeah, so as I said it, I see his eyes. Like, I said, yo, yo, you said it was Daddy's night.

I see his eyes. Yo, soon as I said, yo, soon as I said it, I was looking at it. I can't. I said Daddy's night. I'm like, what this is talking about? Now that supports. Oh, so Mar-Deeva's about to be in shiny suits Like the...

No, man. No, man. No, man. No, man, no, no, man. He had a, he had a club night, man. You know what I'm saying? He had a club night. We used to go there, you know what I'm saying, and chill.

Then we used to go to his record company and shit like that. And he wanted to sign us, but you know what I'm saying? The deal wasn't right. You know what I mean? The deal wasn't right. And we ended up signing to... what, far from Broadway, maybe, or something like that. That shit was whack.

And then we signed with Steve Rifkin, like a year later. So that probably was the best, one of the best decisions y'all, y'all made was not probably signing with Puff, correct? Yeah, because you already know he liked to control what the artists do as far as the music, how they look and all of that. We from the projects, like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

But I'm not, you know, I don't, I don't think we would have listened to him, you know, I'm saying, like, I'm just gonna be honest. Nah, but he would have been like, yo, put this on. I don't think. Did he got game? Nah, we'd be like, no, we would have had our Tim's on. No, what happens is for the first time, you might throw the outfit on, like how a locks did back on.

I mean, listen. You're gonna be like, no more shiny suits. Listen, listen, you're gonna be like, I mean, listen, it can happen to anybody. For the bread. I mean, they probably did it because it made sense for the record, whatever they were shooting at the time. That's why they did it because because of what they were shooting

because of what they were shooting at the time. And to be honest, what I'm saying, What I'm saying, what I'm saying is back then, look. Biggie and them niggas, they was known for that fly shit. Mason them, look, cool geez and all that fly shit, the shiny suits. It wasn't the Lox image. So that's what they said no shableness. It wasn't, it wasn't the, maybe it might have not been in the image.

But I would say this, it was of the time. I'm saying, it was of the time. I didn't think it made them look crazy. Right, right. It didn't make niggas go, oh man, what they're doing? It was cool. It said looked it fly. Because you knew they was damn a puffing on top of that.

But they still said no, they're the ones that said no shiny suits, nigger. I mean, you're right. They probably didn't. That was classic. They probably didn't like it at the end of the day. They don't know, you know, that was classic hip-hop. But what I'm saying is, Diddy would have had, have it competing shiny suits? I don't think so, man.

I don't think so. I'll tell him, we wouldn't have wore it. We wouldn't have been able to come back to QB. Come on, son. We wouldn't, you know what I'm saying? I'm not saying, not saying nothing wrong with it, but I'm just saying, niggas is critical. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you think, when you think about the Timberlin wave, I know other, I think somebody was saying they did Timberlands first. I don't know who was. But I know New York from New York Timberlins, right?

When you think about the wave, it's like when you looked at you, Nause and Prodigy, the Army Jacket kind of shit came from you. The Army jacket with the line and the green shit. That's all we were in. That shit, like, them niggas had a style that was straight, grimy, but fly. It was affordable. I remember getting- It was affordable. I remember everybody got the arm to 10 Army jacket green, black with the 10 Tim's, you

was crispy and queen. Those was classic. They were starting waves. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Army went right to the Army and Navy store. Mm-hmm. So that's what I'm saying.

With the locks, that's what I'm. What I'm saying? With them, it's like, Did he just had, you know, Biggie was like the first fat nigga you've seen really get fly besides pun. Know what I'm saying? Because that Coogee shit. Heavy D was on his fly shit. Oh yeah, that's right.

Heavy D. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was. He was. He was. I can't, rest in peace, heavy D. That was one of my overweight lover. That was, you know what I mean?

Is that the pause? Yes. You said that was one of my like. Nah, I said that was one of my favorites, the overweight lover. That was the name. Pause. Rest and peace heavy, is Heavy D? Is Heavy D?

Heavy D, rest in peace. Damn. Can't even say rest in peace, rest in peace, Heavy. But he was the first fat nigga. Or would you say the fat boys was the first fly niggas? You would consider the fat boys fly? I mean, if you got three movies under your belt,

that's some fly shit. You know what I'm saying? So we say, yeah, you would say the fat boys was the fly. For y'all, y'all y'all didn't know the fat boys. Fashion wise. I wouldn't say they was on no fashion fly shit, but they did some fly shit. It was early in the game when they came out.

They wasn't fast-me on the, they were mad. Yeah, they was just doing. I mean, they was on the Adidas' way. They had a little shit. They just was big niggas, you know? But Adidas, because remember back then, Adidas was kind of bigger than Nike. Then Jordan than Nike and all I came, because, you know, run DMC, shout to run DMC. My Adidas, you know what I'm saying?

I was like, everybody was running to get Adidas. You know what I'm saying? Like how girls was running to get Reeboks. The good old days. You know, barbecues not getting shot up, y'all. Bus trips, motherfuckers dancing doing backflips. Shut up back then too, man. No, it was, but you know, it was less shootings.

Maybe one or two niggas had the hammer. No, it was more. Maybe 20 niggas had the hammer, but they were chill. Right? They were chill. There was a lot of shoes back there, man. No, no, no. I'm not saying, Brooklyn was on fire. Yeah, but what I'm saying is,

Merck, but Merck, what I'm saying is, there'd be times where niggas that have beef and they weren't violate. The good old, high static and won't violet. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I'm like, now it's like more violence. Like I remember going to backyard parties. Yeah, some of them got crazy parties, but it wasn't like as crazy as now to me.

It was crazy, but you know what I was the day? So you know what I was. They highlighted more because of these cameras and shit, but back in the day, shit was going down, man. But if they didn't have a button back in the day, shit different. But that's switchy? Yeah. Wait, about that. Switches a lot.

The game is different, man. So have. Different, man. So have. Shout to 50, man. Shout to 50, the boss. You know what I'm saying? I mean, how was it when you're out signed? You know, mob deep sign, MOP sign. It was a big moment for Juni. We turned into a record label, an empire. You know, we was with the greats. We went on the anger management tour. I know y'all got the Twix-Shift. It's Stickship of Paws. It might be a Ports. Because I'm like, stick shift pause. Because you didn't know how to drive stick shift. No, I learned, I learned on that car that Fiv's got us. I learned. In like, three, it. Three days. Word up. And I became a pro at that shit.

But back then, yo, you know, it was mad fun, man. You know, Fifth called me up one day because we had got dropped from Job and Fifth called me. I never spoke to him on the phone before in my life. He's like, yo, this is 50. I was like, man, get the fuck out of it. He was like, nah, this is 50. So then we started kicking in. He's like, y'all heard your free agents.

I said, yeah, I fuck with him. You know what I'm saying? You got to holler at P. You know what I'm saying? Holladette P. And they said, you know, he was on G unit. and like almost immediately he was sending us songs, mad songs. So we almost had the album done.

And then we jumped on that, what? Was that Damasco tool? Yeah, no, I think, yeah, was it anger management? I think it was anger management. It was anger management because Eminem was there. Yeah, we had the buses with our faces on it, us. Yep, yep, that shit was crazy. And that's around the time that P had the bulletproof truck and all of that.

Yeah, P had the bulletproof. Let's talk about that. Pee had the bulletproof truck with the hammer on them. Going down on one way. I think he was trying to get the Alchemist condo right there on by Madison Square Garden. Yep, yep. So what was that like?

I know Scott Lehman was furious, but I'm shout to Scott Lehman, the lawyer. That shit was crazy because I already- Did you have a bulletproof truck too? Nah, nah, I passed on that. I was like, you know what I'm saying? That shit was a lot of money. Yeah, he had the bulletproof truck.

I always said why P had the hammer in the bulletproof truck, well, it makes sense. Pee was like that, you know what I'm saying? Throw something back. Yeah, P was like that. So, you know, he got the, He got the, he got the bulletproof truck. He's like, you're having one.

I get one. I was like, no, no, I'm good, whatever. So, but Pete always kept a hammer on him. You know what I'm saying? And, yeah. What was the first one of the singles with 50? Remember we were shooting a video on that like? Do you remember that?

What was that? That was the one with Buck was on that. Give it to me, baby. Don't play games. No, there was when y'all shot in LA. That wasn't it. You saw? You saw?

You forgot what it was. Was it? No, I was, I think I got... It wasn't out of control, because out of control was in New York. Yeah, I think I missed that one. Out of control was a real. It was one y'all did in L.A. I'm trying to think.

What video was it? Because I never forget that. You remember when, rest and peace, my man, pretty shy? The girl came on set for the video. video with the baby. You remember that? Nah. She was like, Shia, where are you? I got your baby. That shit was crazy. Word.

Back in the days, it was y'all video shoot with 50. I remember that shit in that. I don't remember what song was, because we did so many, you know what I mean? Those videos, man, you just had to be there. It was just so crazy. Historic moments, anger management, Maudey, did you remember that time when we was performing? Because we used to come out during, like, the middle of the performance.

Did you fall through the stage? Yes, it was a fucking hole in the stage. Yeah, you fell through the stage. Hell yeah. In Detroit. Detroit. What was the Lion Stadium? Yeah.

Yeah, you always talk about that. Y'all always talk about that. What was y'all doing? Quiet Storm. What was you doing? I forgot what's so. Yo, everybody was like, yo, where the fuck is havoc? Y'all was doing some shit.

You were on for my life? I think it was quiet storm. I put the lights on to the table lines. Y'all was doing Quiet Storm. Oh, my God. And Prodigy was up there. Had was up there. We turned around.

We were on stage. And niggas was like, yo, where the fuck is havoc? fuck his havoc and the nigga fell through the black box the shit. Yeah, Eminem come up in. Yeah. He fell through that shit. What that was like. That she was there.

That shit was scary. I could have died, yo. That shit was son, my nigga, the square was big. So we performing and somebody was like trying to wave like, yo, chill. And the next you know, and you know what? That was the time. Lion Stadium. That was the time when I said, yo, let me chill from drinking.

You know what I'm saying? I said, let me chill for drinking. So I ain't drink like, you know, drink like in three days. And I fell through that shit and I caught myself. I was holding like I'm hanging off a cliff. You would have been done. It's over.

Done. It's over. You know, niggas was like, yo, where the fuck is havoc? Imagine they performed in Lyon Stadium because they were, 50 and M&M was doing stadiums, not even aren't. Yeah, it was crazy. It was lying stadium. It was a big ass stage.

I'm going to be on stage. And he was like, yo, we're heavy. Go. You ain't a crook, son. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Yo, what the fuck is having? Yo, he fell through the shit, man. Felt through the fucking stage. Those are good times on anger management, man. Inger management tour was the best tour in my life. I was on Fed parole and state parole and they let me go on that tour. Shout to the lawyers, 50 got for us. I think it was Al Heyman.

You know what I mean? The lawyers was always good. Let us travel. Look at that. I'm saying. I just couldn't be on a bus with the gangsters. I was on 50 bus violins. T-de-da-da-cabia.

Caviard shit. They didn't want me around a felon bus. You know, M-O-D-M-O-P. Yeah, you could be on that one. It was fired. Thanks, everybody. Olivia. That she was fire.

That she was fired. What you think about the whole hip-hop game now, though, huh? What you think about the state of hip-hop, as they were saying? I mean, you know what I'm saying? It changed, but, you know what I'm saying? I'm not mad at it. You know what I mean? I always knew eventually.

eventually that shit going to change, you know what I'm saying? And I would be of the older generation and they'll probably make some shit that I don't understand, you know what I mean? But me being a music person, I appreciate it, you know what I'm saying, for what they're doing, however they doing it, even if it's not some shit that I would make. And I just, I always say it like this too. I ain't like everything in the fucking 90s, you know what I'm saying? So I ain't going to like everything now.

You know what I mean? But there's some shit out there that I do like. So, you know, I ain't mad at the state of hip hop. It's different because of technology, you know what I'm saying? Anybody in their malls could put out a song. So, you know, I just try to focus on quality. Now, this is the number one question. Is we getting another mob deep album?

Because I know Prodigy has like 2 million verses. Yeah, you know, I really want to shout to you and Alchemist. Word up. Shout out to ALC. I want to put out another mob deep album. I ain't going to lie. You know what I'm saying? Because you know why?

Because I have fun doing it. You know what I'm saying? And even before the album came out, just to, you know, take prodigies, vocals, listen to it and see. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And just put it together like a puzzle. It's like a challenge for me, you know what I'm saying?

And I would definitely love to do- Do y'all have some more verses? Oh, absolutely. Oh, Prodigy. Okay. Podage in heaven. Absolutely. Prodigy wrote like Tupac, man.

He got like 10,000 songs in the book. But you got out there. Chuck him in the Alchemist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Alchemist got some verses. Talk about the album because for the album, my favorite song was you, Nyes and- Paul Henney.

Yeah. Paul Henning. The album was just one of those things. Nah, we didn't do a video for it, man. We did a video for Love the Way. No, that was the girl singing, that's the one I'm talking about. Oh, that's what you were talking about. Yeah, that one, I feel like even like the kids gravitated to that one record.

Yeah, you know, that was just- younger generation. That was one of the records that just came together. You know what I mean? We got George Smith on there. You know what I'm saying? Nass was on there. P on there.

And, you know, even though it's like a record for the shorties, it's like, you know what I mean? Everybody could relate to it. You know what I'm saying? Everybody can relate to it, you know what I'm saying? So I really love to the record. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying?

So you think for this year and next year we might get an album all deep out? I'm hoping by the end of this year maybe. Okay, that sounds good. End of this year. Okay, y'all heard that. You heard that. Word.

RAPE prodig. Forever. Yes. Some peace prodigy. Shout out to his daughter, Tasia. Definitely. Shout out, shout out, you know, P's wife, Kiki. Shout out Kiki.

Shout out Kiki. Yeah, shout out to Kiki and Tasia and the son. You know what I'm saying? Little P. Definitely. Definitely, definitely, man. Word. RIP to P's moms.

Fatima. Johnson. Beautiful lady. She helped us from the beginning. Definitely, man. You know what I mean? And RIP to P grandmars because she didn't want to bought us the equipment for me to even make.

Look at that. You know what I'm saying? Like for real, she paid it for it. Crazy. That's, you told us some deep shit, man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. So, if you say Bob Deep, that's pause too? No, Mop Deep is cool, right? Okay, all right. No, it's not a pause. It's not a... Thinking about that. I'm not.

You know, we got mob deep in the building. You're already know. You're already known. We got havoc in the building. What's the name of the album? The Infinite album. The Infinite album. The infinite album, if you don't fucking got it.

It's out now, the infinite album. Make sure y'all go cop that rest of peace, the prodigy. Shout to his family, condolences to everybody. And we're out of here. It's the Real Report. Make sure y'all like, share and subscribe. Yeah. We got that to subscribe right,

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