Joe and Jada - Wu-Tang's Raekwon & Mobb Deep's Havoc on '36 Chambers,' Prodigy & REAL hip hop

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by a pair of New York City hip hop icons: Raekwon of the legendary Wu-Tang Clan and Havoc of Mobb Deep. Joe and Jada ask Raekwon about the making of the Staten Island crew's legendary  'Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers' album, his 2025 release 'The Emperor's New Clothes,' and his memories coming up in the 1990s with RZA, GZA, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Ghostface Killah, Method Man, and the rest of Wu-Tang. Havoc tells Joe and Jada about how he first met Prodigy in high school before forming Mobb Deep, when Nas first put him on to The Lox, and Mobb Deep's upcoming project 'Infinite' coming out later this year. The four hip hop legends also discuss Havoc and Raekwon's upcoming joint tour, the early days of Big Pun, how Staten Island and Yonkers earned their respect among the boroughs, and why the new generation of rappers have the game messed up. 5:00 - Havoc & Raekwson's start in NYC 14:30 - Ol' Dirty Bastard stories 21:30 - Upcoming joint tour 32:30 - When Joe & Raekwon met Big Pun 42:00 - Mobb Deep linking with The Alchemist 46:30 - Heavy D's influence 50:00 - Nas introducing Mobb Deep to The Lox 59:15 - Joe found his turkey chops 1:03:00 - Raekwon's 'The Emperor's New Clothes' 1:09:15 - They're calling EVERYTHING "hip hop" these days 1:27:00 - Why Joe and Jada is the hottest thing moving 1:32:00 - Havoc debuts new track "Against The World" off 'Infinite' [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcast. So get money. Do what you do. Get money. But stop calling everything fucking hip hop, man. Because everything ain't hip hop. Yeah, yeah. What's up?

Yeah. Joe crap. You know who it is, your boy Jada. You know what this is. The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. You know what I mean?

The numbers speak for themselves. But today is just that again. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my brothers. Ray Kwan Havoc to the Joe and Jada show. Make some more. nah shah la nah shah la you ain't get you ain't do that intro right god this jaree quon in this motherfucker having this is a different this is a different type of like royalty on his fucking

couch definitely always there's nothing but this ain't our regular couch your way i'm sorry if i ever caused you any type of problems or anything because you know he's one of my best friends in hip-hop. Hold on. Have Ray, pardon me. Because he's going to tweak out several times. Well, they know I'm fried. I just have to give him the head job.

I'm actually putting the Surgeon General, the Surgeon General, the Clause. I'm like, yo, Ray, man, I know I might have caused you so much sick. Just being his friend. This is one of my closest friends on the earth. So I know the shit coming to him. and you just start working with me and niggins is telling you

yo fuck Joe yo he's why he's just he'd catch the straight fullest for 30 how's the new fraud you yo this guy I've been catching the strays for 30 years

he's been too close I'm catching the new ones I'm just telling him I didn't they prepare you know how big is in the building Steve Rifkin's in the building you'll have yeah I got to take it to

don't start it's way too well I didn't say it yo you know I can't even move You know, I got cousins for Queensbridge. I used to be in Queensbridge. As a kid.

He threw me to alley because he. No, no, I'm going to keep it real with you. Fat Spanish kid. I wasn't even Joey cracked like that. I used to visit my cousins at Queensbridge. I thought it was Brooklyn. Brooklyn every summer. Brooklyn is Williamsburg, Cornelia, all that shit over there.

Williamsburg. Listen, you fucking. me up. I'm telling them I got cousins. My cousin Bubu passed away. My cousin, um, Yvette. Gravity is one of the biggest breakdancers in the world. His mother and them, they come from Queensbridge projects. Wow.

My cousins. Queensbridge. Right. Um, I think that's the most royal projects probably in the, in the world of hip-hop. The biggest, right? Yeah, but I'm just saying the only other project I compared it as maybe Cabrini Green in, in Chicago, they're not even here. But just brewing up in Queensbridge, what was that like?

Was you really coming outside seeing Shan on the corner, Roxanne Shunting? What was that like? Because I tell people my story growing up in the Bronx and missed the nest and me, and me melanchol and they look at me like I'm lying or I'm an alien. Please tell me as a kid, what was it like walking around Queensbridge when you're hearing that end to do the bridge? What the fuck was that like? Nah, that was the type of shit

that made you be proud to be from QV. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you go to school, and they're like, where you're from? I'm like, I'm from Queens for it. You know what I'm saying? Just like, you know what I mean? The bridge, right?

You know, the bridge, like, straight up. Like, you know where I'm from, like, QB. So you're proud. And then you got M.C. Shan walking around with the different boomers, or you might see Molly Maul and Roxanne Chantay. so that boost your confidence up you know what I'm saying

to become somebody because you're seeing somebody that came from around your way that made it coming through with the B&Ws and all that shit so that was a definitely What year was that? Shit man like 80s

84 you know what I'm saying you're seeing Roxanne Chantin 84 when I'm like three years old that's what I'm talking about I seen Mr. Ness I was in the supermarket

my brother was like yo this is Mr. Ness he had the braids already with with the beads and had the Nike's like he was a superstar like when you looked at him

you already knew yo oh shit who this like he was just he was walking around a supermarket like looking like a star right

you know what I'm saying and you're there because it intrigues me you know we've been around your hood we've been around your hood I've been around his hood like

I used to pump Kooji rap and drive around his hood in Queens you know we we all been intrigued with each other's hoods But your hood, they was the original superheroes,

the first supergroup in hip hop because you got biz, you got Molly Maul, you got the game in the Choco because you got Mr. Magic. So you own the radio station with fly child. You got Craig G, you got Master H, you got Roxanne, Shaqqq. Big Daddy Kane. Big Daddy Kane?

Straight up. What kind of shit is this? The symphony's ringing off And you're seeing them on the block That shit is I mean like I said man That shit was an inspiration And they style was just crazy

Because y'all remember the Coca-Cola shirts and shit Like dad the Benetton They was coming through it all that Yeah they was coming through with dad And the big daddy cane Like smooth operator There's no way you could become a fucking rapper You know what I'm saying

See that shit You know what I mean When Joe you was around You was around the niggas too Don't don't stop Don't start him. Don't start him. I was, Ray, but I'm just talking about his block.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because when it comes to hip-hop, I'm talking about global hip-hop. You know, the bridge is what Compton is to L.A. Right. The first time we got a connection when L.A. is coming straight out of Compton, and you're like, what the fuck?

Easy with a flame throwing. You're like, I got to go there, right? And so I'm just trying to bring that. essence else, but I was around all that. Now, the guard, Brooklyn, your Brooklyn days, then your Staten Island days, I was out there early with y'all, you know what I'm saying?

So, uh, what was it for y'all? They had a mega group out of Staten Island, too. What's indeed? Force MDs. Mm-hmm. Force MDs. You know how legendary. Wow.

No, no, that's like they, they, Maybe they would have kept going and made more hits They would have been like a new addition Like that level You know they came before boys the men though, right? The fourth, yes. Yeah.

Hell yeah. You know, you know. You don't force them deeds at the house. He came in a long time before boys did me. They was doing shit. I guess everybody was probably trying to compare them at one point. You know what I think you had to put.

I say they paved the way. I don't know. Wasn't he from Staten Island? to doom, I don't know. UMCs. UMCs. Oh, they Staten Island. You got to stop.

Yo, don't do that. No, Jayda, I'm a journey. Yo, Sahim readers in the building. Journalists of all journalists. We got so much royalty here. But what would, you know, Staten Island? Ray came from Brooklyn first, man. I know that.

He got to say that first. I mean, you know. Tell us the Brooklyn aspect of it. Yeah, I mean, you know. As a kid, man, you know, my mom's, you know, we come from Brownsville. My mom's got a side of there around, I was around nine years old, never knew my dad, never had a relationship with him. It's like when she had me, she found out that he was in the drugs.

And, you know, back in the 70s, I guess, you know, he was doing a lot of gangster shit and getting in the shit. And then when she found out he was on drugs, she just said, yo, we got the boat. You know, my mom's was like a tough skin. lady so she felt like at the end of the day like yo youth nah i can't have you around my kid i don't even want to fuck with you because she just felt like he was getting into too much shit you know it got to the point where she was like you know because his um his mother lived in east new york um lived in the projects Atlantic towers east new york avenue rather right over that

area right there because i'm from ocean hill so between ocean hill you know you right across Atlantic Avenue, turning to East New York. So anyway, you know, never had a relationship with them. They robbed our crib one time. We wasn't there. In Brooklyn?

You know, I'm at school in Brooklyn. And now that just made my mom to be like, you know what? Let's get the fuck out of here, you know what I mean? And she had sisters that lived in Staten Island already. So they told her, they said, yo, come to Staten Island. It's a little bit more safer.

It's little over here. And they was helping it, too, because she needed some help at the time because she had us young. So she was still going to the work. She's working at the Twin Towers and all that. So she moved us to the island. So I loved B.K. when I was around eight.

You kept that, you know, it was over there East New York. I told a story one time on the park is where my aunt used to live on this hill, Summit Hill or Miller, Miller Hill, my aunt, my godmother. I used to spend summers over there. And then I went to the projects, and the DJ was playing that. baby we can do it take your time do it right we can do it baby y'all let me tell you something that's one of the first i mean pause on a higher level i don't know if i'm saying it right but that's one of the first songs that ever stimulated my brain in a different way like i was a kid

but i knew when i heard it i said this is a masterpiece like i heard the music and everything i would you know just a fan i just was like yo this is fucking incredible this shit was dancing on my brain like yo this is crazy he played it like three four times stan allen y'all threw that motherfucker on your bat on the legendariest of forms and y'all actually made that like a bridge you personally you mef ghost genius you got y'all made that shit like the bridge of our era right you know what I mean because I'm thinking about superhero you know one night I come out the club I keep it real with you.

I came out the club in the Bronx. It was like five, six in the morning. And I keep it all the way tall with you, if you really want to know. K.R.S. One had a show in the Bronx. And they pulled up. The whole entire juice crew pulled up. And when we came outside, it was like six in the morning.

He had already performed like 2 o'clock. They was all outside. They had jeeps, benzes, dapper dance, shit, this things. was all outside. Like this is the first time I ever seen the Big Daddy Kane wide body kid

bends this they was all outside like this I don't know what they was coming for they just was like fuck it we're going

to the Bronx and we're going you know what I'm saying but that's what I mean by superheroes right that's how it was or that's how it is

when we see you guys when we see the the Wu-Tay and we look at y'all you know Gose they just came up here I ain't going to lie to you got out the stock

Tony Tom that's your brother but You know, he's like a superhero. So when I see him, I just feel like, oh, my God, it's like fucking ghost-faced royalty. That's how I feel. When I see him, I'm like, yo, this shit, is it really ghosts on the fucking couch? You know what I'm saying?

With you, let's go old dirty bastard, right? Because we don't talk about him enough in this show. How ill is old dirty bastard, bro? The illest. The Ellis We go dirty one time On two-fifth We stopped at the juice ball

Each other loved The whole bottle A tiger bone I don't think Nobody in the world I don't even think You're supposed to do that for one Norrie can't do that

Hell no Norris said that's the shit They used to make them Like a bad drug Like when he drank tiger bone He wants to fight It's distracted From a tiger's bone

all dirty to the head. Wow. Yeah, he gave things like that. That's how I knew he was human. He would have done nothing that it would have been, but he still took the fucking whole bottle with Tiger to the head. I know you had to see him do all type of incredible. Man, we go back so far, man,

where we used to go downtown, downtown Brooklyn, Alby Square and we used to be robbing and all that shit we used to be up in A&S you know what I mean just catching polo shirts

and all that Yeah he was He was serious with it No he must have been Crazy before rap Right Oh yeah definitely Definitely

He was the guy You ain't really want to see Out in them streets Like But he was a good No he was a good nigga though You know what I mean He was like a more like a thief

Than a crook Just a difference You know what I mean A crook is a crook A crook got attitude all the time he's just funny and like the steel. He'll take two or three candy bars out. Yeah, just to do.

He's still like that. Histel piece still for no reason. Yeah, yeah. We're going to 7-11 and come out of yoga. You want to snick? I'm like, I do that sometimes, too. I ain't like, like, like, little candies and shit, little shit right in front of them.

Like, I just be like, because you're not paying the shit. I'm like, yeah. Yo, I just have to do it. Yo, listen. Listen to my part. If I spin a certain amount, not like in fertile. but in a gas station or one boat a day

I gotta steal something you see this shit yeah but this is in the DNA three pack of bags five waters in it now I got a

yeah let me get a let me get like a a car max wow you come out the gas to see you like

you want to snickers you want a mustard if you still I just love to say that man you still got it you know I got a funny story

with ODB I said it's very long but I'll tell you But one night I'm passing, I'm with my wife in the car. I think I had the Green Benz and it was that Cheetah Club. And I was just driving by and everybody was outside. And I seen, because you guys,

has serious beef with all the bouncers in every club in New York City. Like, I mean, y'all was public enemy number one. Y'all was Bin Laden out here. Right? Because y'all kept beating up the bounces and all that, right? Like, I don't know what the fuck it was. but I'm driving by and it's like 20 bouncer

cocked diesel dudes and they got like ODB kind of hemmed up and so I'm looking around the whole hip hop every I don't want to talk about who super rappers was out there and everybody was like minding their business

and it was just for a fact ODB was going to get stretched out because he arguing with them this this that and they're looking to beat them up these guys kept beating them up the bounces so they finally caught ODB by himself He was violent.

So I told my wife, she was like, yo, that's not your business. I said, yo, I got to pull. I can't actually see it and break out. Like, maybe thank God if I ain't said, I'm out. But I can't see it and not try. So I jump out the car. And, you know, ODB was crazy, rest of the piece.

So I'm trying to make sense to him. Like, yo, OD, you know, it's like 20, 30 dudes. they're looking to pound you out. Like, you got a chill. Like, yo, fuck them this. We the boo tank, this, that. So I kind of like talk them off the cliff. Like, and I'm telling them, you see all these rap niggins.

They don't give a fuck. They're going to watch you get pounded out. They all out here ain't nobody trying to help you, right? I almost had him. Then he was like, you. No, no, I almost had him. Right? And then he was like, you see that, Joe?

The killer bees. They're coming from the, I said, oh, my God. He was hallucinating that the killer bees was coming. Like the video, like Triumph. At this one, I knew I said, yo, ODB. I told him bounces, yo, ODB, don't disrespect this, that. It was like, no, Joe, this. I couldn't do nothing because the man saw hallucinating that the killer bees.

You see that? The killer bees are coming. He believed the video, Steve. Steve Rifkin in the house was loud records responsible for Wu-Tang. Big Pond Mom, D. You know, I used to think

I was the only one to love Steve. I ain't going to lie to you. Right? So, you know, we all gave him a heart. He had the wildest guys in the world,

right? So we go up to the office, everybody giving him a hard time. What happened? You want your flag? Give him the flags. What are we throwing the flags for a kiss?

Give him the flag. No, I thought I was the only one that's the flag on the play? No. It's the flag. No, I'm going to tell you why.

Because many times in my life, even in the drug game, I would find a connect that I really looked up to and be like, yo, I got you. You feed me. I'm going to always be loyal to you. So I used to look at Steve changed my life. You understand what I'm saying? He bought my mother's house.

He made me move out the projects and bought a house. So you know how generous Steve is. So I used to look at him and be like, damn, if Steve only knew, I'm the most loyal to him. Like, I got him like nobody else. But I know he knew I was there. Everybody warned him I was real dangerous when he signed me. So everybody told him, yo, this guy, you got to watch him, this.

So he probably had an extra antenna up for me. But I was really looking at him. Like, one day, I'll prove to you. I'm loyal. You're going to. And what we did the what? What was it, the 30th anniversary of BET? Remember?

And everybody showed up. And every artist he ever has showed up, free, perform, loved each other, hugged each other. We had hud whoops. That's when I said to myself, man, you ain't the only one that loves Steve Rifkin. Like, everybody loved this man right here. So shout out to Steve, man. You changed all our lives, man. We love you, brother.

And we'll continue to support you. But you two, you know, I know y'all got a tour coming up. I know I know that and we're going to support and we're coming, right? But I want to get more into like prodigy. What was it like being next to Pete? How did you ever even meet? How did you meet? Hello, yo, I'm a half.

I'm prodigy. Yeah. You know, I met him through a mutual friend in high school and shit. You know what I mean? I got to the high school before him, the high school, all designed in the hat. And then my junior year, he came in. The audience is off.

I mean, you went down. This is on now, hell and all that shit came out in high school? Before high. I mean, no, no, no, no, no. Kind of, kind of like during high school. Kind of like, you know what I'm saying? So I met him, and then he came in. And I remember how I went to WBLS with Molly Maher.

He was on the radio back then, and Trash brought me up there and shit. Shout out to Trash. Yeah, shout out to Trash. I seen this kid in there. I kept looking at him. He looking at me. I'm like, dang. He was at BLS?

No, he wasn't, it was this kid. He, come to find out, the nigger went to my school, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, oh, shit, you go to a home design, blah, blah, X, Y, Z. Making a long story short, he knew Pete. You know what I'm saying? And that's how we all got together. It's like, you know what I mean? He knew Pete.

My man Black, he from the Bronx. So that's how I started hanging out in the Bronx. Did he spit, like, when you heard Prodigy for the first time, then he spit, like, was he talking? No, no, he was not that prodig. That's why, like, if I, if I was a, if I was a prodigie, If I wasn't there, if I wasn't there to witness it myself, I would have thought somebody else who wrote P-Rimes. You know what I'm saying?

Because the nigger just switched from juvenile hell and then went into infamous mode. And I saw, I was there. Nobody didn't write it. And I was like, how do fucking do that? I feel like he tricked me. You know what I'm saying? But he didn't show you all the chambers.

Yeah, he didn't show you all the most. He didn't show you the Euro stack. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And the thing, he just, he just started going in. But the interesting part about it to me is this, you know, everybody's saying how great Pete is and all this at the third. When you up close on something, you really don't know the scene like that.

You understand what I'm saying? Because I, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? He was just like, okay, you're good. He used to be spitting the rhymes in my ear, you know, in the studio and shit like that. And I'm like, oh, shit, you know, that's cool. But now when I think about it and I listen back to that, I'm like, damn, this nigga was a beast.

Oh, man. He was like a, like, an animal. No, he had his own. He wasn't like one. He had his own vocabulary. And he was like nobody else. So it wasn't like he was trying to be somebody else. He had his own vocabulary.

He had his own. You know, I, you know, this time I ride around, shout out my man, Ritz de Barber. I ride around with Rich, big fans of both of you guys. And we'll just play, like, your album and just say, word for word and just and then that says a lot about you right because you had to keep up with somebody

that we call you know the clips came up in and said he changed your life he's also doing the production we know that you know you already got to be to make this beat the big make a version on the same fucking project with P that's that's

triple to work I had a tough fucking job striples though I was rapping next to Michael Jordan you know what I'm saying like you know what I mean and still had to cook in the kitchen

you know what I mean and still lay a verse now you know what all of your shit was hard though and murder music I don't know what you hit some he gave you give me some

he gave you some of that shit you switched like that from infamous to murder music your shit went up a trampoline to my crazy I'm like fucking half that fuck that I ain't gonna need me I'm getting we didn't we have choices

so the game so I come out flow Joe everybody knows fat Joe's in town enough respect for the buggy down and then the tape drop illmatic and realizing the realism of life and actuality at that point you knew you couldn't come with stomp that's the idea like you had to step

You're shit up or you're not going to be involved next year. You know what I'm saying? Because there's a class of 92, class of 93, class of 94. I knew for a fact, it's over bedtime. I had to go through that, all of that, then it did that. I'm there like this. It's virtually impossible. There's no more doors this beat.

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But like with the youth, I feel like unless I don't see what's going on, that's what they miss. You know what I'm saying? It's more like making music for a moment. Everybody want to catch, get a bag. It ain't like that level of, you know, respect for the art of like what you're going to say. You know, we fucking rockin babies, KRS babies. we fucking LL Koojay baby So we had no choice

But to just admire what everybody was doing And bring what they bring it to the terrace You had to step your shit up Like I felt like I was really in school When I discovered big pun But big pun taught me So I used to sit there with him And he'd be disrespecting me like

For him being my little brother He'd be like you're limited You give up easy Go all the way 16 means 16 You got 12 hot ones But you want to give up up on the last four.

Like, I was at Warden School with this guy. And it was like, and he was sharping me up. So when he passed. So Pun was around you before you, before you got on? No, no, no. I was around two albums before Pun. I met Punn the last day

I was heading in my second album. I put him on my album. As soon as I heard him, I was like, oh, no, you met him. Right at that point. I called you, we did Firewater. Me, you, be real. And then something that's so crazy is, like I always tell the story. I did a show

with Wu-Tang, and they got 500, and I got 500 differences. They had 13 dudes. So I didn't know. I really honestly ain't understand how the math was going to math. Talk a list. Right? And so, and then Ray and me become tight out of all Wu-Tang

and he's beyond, the hottest guy in the fucking globe, and I could call him at any time, and he show up. In 10 minutes to the studio, what's up, Joe? So I'm like, yo, this my artist's big punt. And Did he just jumped on the joint? And that was the first joint that we ever put out with Punt.

Yeah, because you introduced me to him. You know, he was like, you know, I was coming up there to see you because you said, yo, you wanted me to come through. And I remember that day clear because my little brother, you know what I mean, he had graduated and I had bought him a SC 300, the SC 400, you know, back then. And I told him, I said, yo, I said, yo, you got to kind of the Bronx. Because, you know, you know what I mean? I ain't know if he really know how to fully drive yet.

So it's like when he came, when he came, right? It's like all of us, like when he walked to the door, we always like in here and shit. When he walked through, everybody, he's like, oh, he made it. But anyway, Megalong Sturvy Short, you said, yo, I'm wanting to introduce you to somebody. So I said, what's up? What are you going to do?

So I see this other port of me big nink come out of shit. So he was like, yo, he rhymes. So, you know, I'm like, yo, he's like, yo, let me spit for you. And say, yo, you can spit for you. Yeah, let me hear it. That nigger said, plunging said. Plunger just said, boom, bha, boom, bing, ping, bong. I looked at Joe, I said, that's one of them.

Yeah, he said, you got one. He said, that's one of them. Exactly. I remember that shit clear his day. And it's like, he was like, yo, you mind if he get on this firewater wreck? And I was like, put them on. Say, yo. And ever since then, I think that's when your loyalty level for me, it grew at an all-time high.

I get back. First video, we threw the suits on. Yeah. Sky blue shitty, pull up. This man never let me do. down this whole life. Never let me down. I got to salute him for that.

That's another level of, you know, Jada kiss, I'm 20 years waiting on the verse, but it's okay. It's my business partner. But that ain't true because we all got down on the car. God, that ain't true. I'm fucking with him. I got a pick on this guy.

My lifestyle. John Blaze. Yeah. Should we go on? Mm-hmm. John Blaze. We forgot that off. No, no, I didn't forget.

Trust me. But we got that off. That's why I told him. I threw a wise crack at him the other day because he was a baby when we did John Blaze. He came through. He was like the youngest dude doing it. You know what I'm saying?

And that John Blaze, that's when you had to rhyme in the studio type of shit. It wasn't like, said somebody you beat. Right. The shit had come back. It was like you had to show up. That's why I was just about to ask you.

All on 36 chambers and all, everybody had to be there for every session, right? Most of the time I say about at least like 90% there Because you know we was up in Riz's basement You know Rizzo had this little hole in the wall spot And it was like almost like

A studio apartment So when you come in The shit was real small And it was like a little stove You know what I mean They had a little chair there Like two chairs Like what the fuck we're gonna do with two chairs

And you know So we're in the room And it's like everybody's just Sitting on the floor or somebody might be standing up. And, yeah, you know, a lot of times it was like, yo, it was like being on a fucking assembly line. You don't know.

Like, yo, now you come through and you throw something in the hell. You say something. But at that time, it was like going back to With Dirty, you know how he was so influential because he's seen something in the group. He's seen something. When they started to formulate this thing called Wu-Tang Clan, it was like Dirty had a lot to do

with orchestrate money. You know, that's why I always call him a general, too. You know, Rizzo, of course, a general, but, you know, that was the next general, you know, and he was very voistrous. Like, it's almost like you write a bar, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta come over there and get his approval, you know, and it's like.

He's like a coach. Yeah, yeah, but. He's motivating everybody. Exactly, exactly. And it's like, and it's like the beats, he was, he even knew how to make beats. So he was even in Rizzo. See, he starts singing.

And that shit on them songs, too. So they, oh, dirty, he really thought you to see. Next to Rizzen, like, you know, yeah, they was orchestrating together. There was some sauce in it. Yeah, but you know, but you know before the wool and all that shit, it was the Jizzers, dirty and Rizzo running around doing whatever they was doing. They was called the All in Together now crew. So they was already, you know, splashing, going, doing battles and all of that.

So when they started to form this shit, it was almost like, we knew. we had three, three bosses, you know? So, yeah, he might say something, but he don't have to say nothing, but he's saying something. That's the chemistry that they had. So we just had to follow what they march in order as well. Do I have, was there ever a group that almost happened

that we never heard about? Like, was it always just going to be you and Prodigy or was you ever going to team up, let's say, with tragedy or this? Was there ever another group? Yeah, I definitely teamed up with a few, cats from from the bridge it just never paned out work yeah it didn't pan out anybody big we know about no no you wouldn't know they names you know from y'all rap annoyed was my guy man that's that's my guy who's right you're the rapper noi yes my dog you're the rapa noi you know that i was i was

you know it's certain guys who uh in cruise yeah when they when they shit came on and they they might not been the main star, but, you know, it touched you. Like, it was like, yo, I used to see him. And be like, yo, you're rapping. No, it was something. Like, you know, he used to. They made him a star. They made, yeah, he was, he was a hidden, a hidden gem, my favorite.

How did you mean? Alchemists, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We met Alchemist through kind of like, you know, we used to go to L.A. when we first started going to L.A., and we hooked up with Mugs, with D.J. Mugs. Yeah. So we was telling him with Mugs or whatever, whatever. And, you know, Godfather and.

and Liddy and twin and all of them kind of like, you know, used to really befriend mugs and so AOC was down with mugs and then that's how they kind of met him ALC first, so he used to be getting weed from him and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Because Al used to live in NYC down in there in Soho, so he used to had a weed. Had to plug for that fire. Yeah, he had to plug for the fire and he was making beats. You know what I'm saying? So the chatter was going around, you know what I'm saying? This kid, you know what I'm saying Alchemis he over there making

a piece. I said, let me see what the fuck this shit about. You know what I'm saying? So I went to Al Krimm and I was like, oh shit, this white chocolate, you know what I'm saying? This thing is crazy. He got that shit. Word of the brother. He had that shit. He's one of them guys, him and Prime,

where the fine New York sound, hip hop, but they're not from New York. It's weird when you find out he's from L.A. Prim. You wouldn't even knew. You weren't even knew he was from L.A. back in those days. Never, ever, ever. Alchemist?

Yeah, he wasn't even to know. I thought he was from my bed. See what I'm saying? Wow. So what's crazy is that, you know, and I'm also glad to see. A little prima from Houston, man. Well?

Prima. Yeah, I knew that. Right. It's another one. He would have never knew. He said his cousins used to bring him tapes, like magic and red alert tapes all the way out to Houston. And he was studied the game,

and then he finally moved over here. But Alchemist is good to see. I feel like every now and then, some of us we have a moment. He has a moment right now. And so the game is finally recognizing all his contributions to hip hop. And he's doing joints with Freddie Gibbs and now Erica Badoo. You know, Erica Badoo straight royalty.

You know what I'm saying? The most I ain't Badoo. She's a different level of excellence. She's on the best though. Yeah, I know. She's one of super fans. She definitely is super fans. She, look, we all know.

She's different. But to see Alchemist work with her, and it feels like right now he's the go-to guy. Absolutely. You want to get hot, go see Alchemist right now. But he put in that work. He did. It wasn't overnight.

No. He definitely put that work in. And then I didn't understand how you and Prodigy come up together and you one of the greatest producers of the whole time. I didn't understand, like, how their relationship, they start making a lot of music together. Like, how did that happen? And they just met up and started.

I mean, it was natural. I mean, if you got an... Just hanging around. Yeah, if you got another cat just making tracks, you know what I'm saying? And he's becoming part of the family. It's like, I'm not stingy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, let's get it.

You know what I'm saying? That's a little bit workload off of me. You know what I can start writing some moms and shit. Y'all, I'm going to tell you some crazy shit. We had your wedding. Steve was with us and we're going towards your wedding. And we was like in a van with Riza. And so I asked Rizzo because Rizzo is stingy.

He didn't want the Wutane with nobody else. So I said, oh, Rizzo, man, how you let me, you know, how you let Ray be cool me? He said, I'm going to tell you the truth. I ain't really like it at first. Because I'm Wizz, I want it all Boutang. You know what I'm saying? But I knew you and him had a real connection. Y'all was brothers.

And I was like, yeah, get rock out with Fadjo if you want. I was like, yo, I looked at Ritz. I was like, thank you, oh, you let him rock with me. Because Rizzer definitely wasn't playing that type of shit. He definitely He definitely was training us Like Doverman's kiss He's beating us

A fucking beating us A washing washing machine hoses Bung stay right here Boom But you know He had a plan You know he had a plan And like you said

Yeah he was He definitely had selfish ways Because at that time You got to remember Nobody wasn't fucking With Staten Allen niggas Oh no You know what I'm saying

So we had a vengeance You know what I mean? It's like, yo, come on, we've been partying since we was 14 years old going to the rooftop, going here, going to the quarters, you know, you know, Queens, you know, Chavagas Square. And, yo, Brooklyn and House, Queens and House, Bronx and House, you'd be waiting for Staten Island, and you don't hear it? It's like, now we want to fight.

We came to party, but now we want to fight. You know, so that mentality always stayed with all of us. You know, like, yo, like fuck all the motherbarrows. Like, y'all think something sweet of it, but not really knowing that a lot of niggas that lived in Staten Island, too, was from Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, that they migrated there. You understand what I'm saying? And it's still some real-ass niggas that was from there anyway, but we had something to prove. And I think that was part of his mystique on how he wanted to approach the game, like, yo, it was just our shit. You know what I mean?

So at first we was all down with it because we seen the vision. But then as we got in the game, it started, niggas started throwing flowers at us and, you know, showing us, you know, super love. It's like, yo, I'm a fan too. I like that, nigger. You know, so we come back, yo, you know what I mean? I could see how his energy would change.

And I'm like, to me, it was like, nigger, I'm going to go, man. I'm going to do what I want to do anyway, you know, but I still respect the cold of what it is because at the end of the day, we had a vision, you know? So that's the kind of the same shit That made the locks The locks

Go on the parties We turned it on video music box We're doing this They shouting everybody out Ralph Showed the clip With you on video music box Don't do it

For this man Did you listen You know how much We turned on the radio They shout out Long Island Staten Island Brooklyn Queens

Bronx Mount Vernon New Roch Skip right over. And we're right in the middle. And we're like, all right, motherfuckers. We're going to show y'all. And I give you that, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, we had no, I had no, there's no Melly Mel. There's no Mellie Mell. There's no Nause. I'm coming outside seeing one-hour way. Mugas like that, man. It was none of that. Heavy D wasn't too far away, Mount Vernon. Mount Vernon, but we can't, even though Havis showed us wild love

And then them took, after we got with the riders, we was able to go to Ave's crib and meet him, punching the punching bag. But before that, we got nothing. Not going outside. Punching back? Ever was nice in boxing. That's the one.

No, fuck. Hell of the way. For Hever, he wanted to catch it fucking flurry and all the type of shit. You know, Hav was like, you know, if we're going to keep it a stack, this whole interview has been really, really 100. He was somebody I really, really looked up to my whole life growing up. And, yeah, I was super cool with HeavyD, but I never told him how much he influenced me. So even now I throw on outfits and I think I'm fly and I look at some old pictures of

heavy, he wore that shit 20 years ago. I'd be like, damn, have had that shit on. To me, have made big niggas like us, he made it confident. Have, man. Have opened a gateway for Big Nick. Yes, definitely. He made it a land. Your nays.

We got, look what I'm doing. Come on in it. And so I actually became cool wherever. He used to come to Miami, hang out with us and everything. But I never told them the truth. Like, I never said, you know, you're like my idol. Like, you really, really, really, really, really, really, really inspired me. You know, and so the first time I'm in a half, we was at Tavern on the Green.

And I'm using a bathroom. Somebody walked in and he's got to flow. You got to, when I turned around, it was heavy deep. You almost died. Like, you don't know how much I used to look at. I used to do the dance moves, like, heavy study the videos, everything. So when I finally met him, because I've seen the many times, rooftop places for far, like a fan. You know what I'm saying?

Like, oh, shit, heavy deep. But when I finally got to mix it up with him, I did, you know, HeavyD, he was a special guy, man. But you got Mary, we got DMX. I was the next came up together. Mary came before. I know what I'm just saying. Well, it's somebody before. Yonker jad over like a fat rat.

Shout out to Fonda Ray. She lived on our block. But listen. What? I'm talking about, I didn't see her when I came outside as a little baby. He wasn't there. I'd be like, oh, fat rat Fonda.

It was none of that. It was nothing. Tales in the grip. It was fucking, it was none of that. Y'all was in that gas station. out there, huh? It's way before the gas station. Before the gas station?

There's nobody. How y'all all got shit? We didn't got nothing. But Mary was on before y'all, right? She put y'all on, right? She did. So she wasn't never in the hood? No, she was just getting to the, you know what?

She was just getting. She was getting. She threw us the alley when she was still on the ladder. Four one. That's why she said, I don't want. What's the full one? That was just out. But she was still getting right.

Like, she said, she pressed us the puff with, I don't want no find his fear. I don't want to. Just make sure my little niggas is straight So kind of like that But me and P saw y'all coming We saw y'all coming Because Nass used to whisper in Miami

Go, yo, Puff got somebody for y'all. Bro, she said he, he got somebody for ball deep. I was like, who the fuck he got from all deep? And when they played that shit, I was like, oh, he got somebody for ball deep. They had the real. They had them young, them young locks voice.

Hungry young locks Spitting fire Flay I thought I thought Queen's really Had the best Rapids

Until we heard This shit Y'all shit Expired though We was riding Around listening to them MOB

B E F You know I tell a story All the time All that shit made us We had to You had to listen

To all of that Right One day I'm hanging out With Ray We go Jimmy's Cafe We go to Harlem

I don't know If you remember It's me You and Nas actually We hung out in Jimmy's cafe Early in the day We ate some food

Then we went to Harlem Seeing some theories out there And all that And then we wind up We end up Going to the tunnel that night Me, You and Knott But all day

We was listening to somebody's album I don't know who it was I don't know if it was Mike Geronimo or something But we Us three was in the car listening to this album All day it just came out

And we just fiving to it And then we went to the tunnel, and you and Nas was acting like, y'all didn't know who the dude was that we was listening to his music. I was sitting there with y'all was like, yo. So I talked to him. I said, yo, we've been listening to your album all day. Your shit is fired, B. You're sitting in. Y'all was like, yo, your shit is fired, this and that.

I forget who it was, but Dean Munt. No, it wasn't Dean Munt. No, I think it was Mike Geronimo. I'm not sure. Somebody like that had a hot album. me, he was the underground. He was, you know, it's Ray Kwanis,

Niles. So crazy, I don't even really remember I might got a little baby dementia going on. No, no, no, no, you don't, but we had it,

but we did it, though. That happened to me. Was it a royal flush? One of them. It was a royal flush of Mike Geronimo, one of us. We didn't know, though.

Huh? It was Geronimo. Yeah, we was Queens. No, no, it was something like that. It was one of them. It was one of them. And we was just,

we just like, yo, guys, like, The legendary prodigy. Everybody was like, y'all, this shit was hot, bro. Listen to this prodigy story I got. Well, I'm making the first album, Kiss the Game Goodbye. We got the crib in Miami.

Crazy. Crazy shit. Gas house. This, that, maids. Oh, y'all was doing the break. Yeah, this is when you can blow the budgets. This is the budgets. This thing you can plan to blow the kids.

Steve Rifkin. Err. This is dumb thing. Steve Rifkin, Ammy. I don't even want to tell you Let's do this album Go to Miami I want to do this

And I'm just Boom They gave me the crazy crib In Miami for months I'm writing the songs In the crib And I'm going there Laying

Three, five at a time And save studio Boom I'd be there For a month and two You get a phone call Because we got the house phone In the crib

It's P I'm like somebody fucking prank call in the house, man. Like, nah, what's up? This is a prodigy. Me, Pete, what's up? Like, y'all, I just went and visit my mom's. She in Florida.

Down to the criminal come by the crib. Me, send him the address. Pete, the devil-ranked this is prodigy. Me, oh, shit, Pete, what up? Everybody, things coming out of their room. Yo, Pete's prodig. Oh, me chilling. Now, I'm like, we got a chef and all that,

so we made sure he ate everything. thing we're chilling. He's like, I'm chilling with you out. You're chilling? Yeah, I'm a stay in the night. Me.

He's worth. By the way. It was him. Me. Fuck you. That day I hung out when you were now. This shit was like priceless. He was,

he was, he was sick. He was over, you know, but he didn't, I couldn't let him smoke. So I was, we would make sure he was good.

Him now, I wouldn't think smoke. All right, we were going to make sure he, I didn't get a little wine, he got him from wine, drink it. But he's like,

you'll kiss. I don't want to smoke, but let me roll. Me. He said, nah, I'm going to be good. Just let me roll the shit. Me. Fuck, if you rolled up a couple, we went to the club. We had crazy one of them crazy shits.

Then he stayed like a day or two. Then he bounced, though. I'm like, yo, that was like some, that shit, what was the chances? He fucking called me, said he went to visit his mouths, pulled up, stayed for two days. We partied. We did now.

We fucking make a song. That fucking, holy shit me this. But this time was, that shit was one of the illest shit to ever. You get to flip back. Because the thing's with a dodder, dude. Them two days we did them two days. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That shit was the best on earth, law. No, that was their shit. You know, um, look, Mr. Nest. That's crazy. I'm gonna call him back after. Mr. Ness.

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Test move, put it together. I've been telling everybody they got turkey chops. They like pork chops, but it's turkey. I ain't had it for years, so when I said that, everybody was like, yeah, yeah, I know what it. Nobody can get it. Nobody can't say. Testful.

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when we are from. Get that great. I'm out of right now. Yeah, I can't eat. Yeah. Oh, I can get shit on my face and them.

Yo, that's that shit. I get sauce. Y'all, but listen, we got to show the camera the turkey shots. I take it. I want to enjoy it. He don't care.

You see what I'm saying? I got a little bit of etiquette. That's a grown man plate. Oh, shit. No, that's a grown man's plate. They give you out. Straightitis. Get a close up.

You got the fried. You got the fuzzled. They got that shit. They got the turkey chop. the bone. This the real shit. Right. No. This is the real shit because I ain't going

to lie to you a couple of you. I think James Caribbean soul, man, Mount Vernon, man, you know what it is. Pull up, get all the way right. James, I tell him it is. Caribbean soul. You see my sister, my brother Jamesie in the back. You know what I mean? That's right.

That's right. Full up. cater. They do all events needed. Max cheese, I ate too. Let me tell you something. Y'all half, man. We're going to have. I'm about to hit it, mate. My bad. I'll sit down. I have you, this. Because I got to sit down and really relax to eat that, man.

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I liked that comedian back in the days he was like, yo, I fuck with the Puerto Ricans. They said they killed somebody the third floor and they came to Poppy Poppy Poppy's up. That's not me. I don't know. Oh shit, my back. The H-A-V-O-C is going in.

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Supreme Cline tell too Yeah But listen, I didn't Y'all going on a tour Did it? When does it start? Tour starting on November All right, so listen When I heard that, I'm like,

Yo, I thought we was going out Reson made the announcement But then, you know, y'all got new music coming out So y'all gonna go get a bag Before we go get the other back That's correct? Yeah, the bag before the other bag The bag before the other bag.

We got the Emperor's clothes The name alone is just Emperor's new clothes The Emperor's new clothes, pardon me. Anybody that knows Ray, you know he's just ill You sit down for a meeting with him And the meeting turns into three other meetings

because the way his mind works he's just always thinking of how to create revenue for the crew and the famine you know what I mean

bring ideas to life and all that so how the emperor's new clothes on mass appeal in a in a raw

of mean drops in clientele to the slick Rick joint have when you come October 10th you're on mass appeal 10th

yes this is a clip loaded of monsterish iconic seven albums yeah I mean so how did this even

come about it happened like like real quick right because I was already working on a project and I was trying to figure out how I was going to go about it if I was going to do an indie

or I was going to go pictures how you wanted to roll it there but then I was talking to this dude that worked up in Massapel and he told me about what they was doing. So, you know, I'm like, wow,

Legends has it. I said, yo, who's the tools up there? So then they started, you know, mentioning who was there. I'm like, damn, those are all my friends. Like, damn, I'm like, I said, it might be smart to, you know, be a part of that juice crew vibe.

And really, we can help each other now. You know what I mean? Where it's like, you know, yo, I want you to win. We all going to win. So the idea of it alone, I don't know. I was just looking at it.

You know, some super friend shit. So I ain't even call Nas, you know what I mean? Yo, I kept him out of it, you know? But I said, yo, the guy that I was talking to, you know what I mean? He was like, yo, I could call Nas's partner. So I said, yo, look, if they could do this, that, this, that, that, say, yo, I'm down. But I said, but here's the catch.

It got to happen in 24 hours. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, because I already was getting ready to bust a move. I had a move in place already. And it was like, I'm getting ready to go like this. But I'm telling them before I go like this, I'm like, that. Like, yo, we could pop that off. We're going to pop off.

I'm with it. So boom, next thing you know, they met my requirements on what I wanted. And then me and Nas got on the phone. But the crazy shit is that me and Nas, we always talk all the time anyway. Like we, hey, now and I might get a call from them. We get a call. So we always talk. But we talk about life.

We talk about kids. and, you know what I mean? You know, his mom's, God bless, his mother, his mom's name is Ann, my mom's name was Ann, his brother named Jabari, my son named Jabari. All this is just happening out of the blue.

So we got like a real bond, and especially from back in the early 90s. So, you know, we platonically build him. But when this happened, it was like, yo, he was, you know, he hit me. He was like, yo, I heard, yo, welcome to the family. I'm like, yo, it's an honor to come over there and rock a roll with you, you know what I mean?

because I felt like that that that hoster was a serious hostess, you know what I mean? And then on top of it having my favorite, you know what I mean? Like these are all my favorites, but Rick, you know, to me, that's like, that's like my big bro right there. You know what I'm saying? Like we always love a ruler just style, storytelling, flow, bounce, British nigger, you know what I mean, wiled up. Or, you know, it was just like, wow, they got a little clipover. it is so it just happened it was just one of those things where it was like

yo I got a project and I love what y'all doing and one thing led to the next and it was only popping after that far now how about you? Esco reached out of your workers y'all been connected connecting was connected right right right

now you know Esco the brother like you know I know I know I'm from fucking preschool so you know so you guys went to preschool you guys won't always say He's younger. I'm madge.

He's younger. No, no, no, we really did. I know each other from the block. That wasn't in the same grade, was. We probably, we wasn't in the same grade, but you. But after, after school, you got to go to priest. They're calling you when they call to. I'll see it.

You got to like a after school thing. Until your parents get out of work. So we was, we knew each other from there. But it was a no-brainer for me, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to, I was trying to do the project. You know what I'm saying? One, the one last sobrival. you know what I'm saying for prodigy and um you know Niles gave me the lane real quick

so how hard is it after the fact to make it sound like a mob deep how hard was it yeah no it wasn't hard at all man like you know look pit owl you know what I'm saying ALC got the sounds I got the sounds we got the verses it ain't gonna sound nothing but maud you know what they you know who did that really well is uh Premor and guru that last album they threw out together I felt like guru was he was almost shit like he

like he had FaceTime like yo no no I'm not that album like there did not sound outdated the bars sounded like guru was around the corner you know that was a really great album that they put together

but um the Mar-D got you off but that's how this Mar-D Bible won't sound like the shit is like when it come on the shit is scary like you it feel like he he

Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? And certain little things that he's saying is like he got this like premonition thing going on. You know, I'm going to give too much time. Yeah. Don't doubt. Wait, but, you know, it's like that. So, you know, just get ready for some dope shit. You know, when they say they got a saying, it's like, yo, that ain't age well.

Mm. You know, lately I've been listening to a lot of Tupac. Yeah. And the man sounds like he's down the block right now. with the shit and the messages and everything you were saying. It's so relevant to what's going on today. That's what's the way that way to Ray been doing interviews and promo for the new album saying they're putting a lot of shit under our own brother

that don't even go under our own brother. Like they're crediting, they're calling people hip-hop. They do good music, but it ain't supposed to be over here. And then that gets you the new viewers and the new customers and the new people that want to get into the culture and get misconstrued because you look at that's something

that they're saying this hip-hop how many years and it shouldn't even be it should be in a whole other another. Not love. But not the country, kiss, you know, that had a lot to do with the title because, see, it's a Danish folk tale about a king.

This is, it's called Empress New Clothes. You know what I mean? It's a, um, cartoon type of, um, on folktale. But anyway, it's about a king, right? And the king, you know, he's a fly nigger. He, he loved to get fly. This is what he do. Now, some scammers, which I call industry snakes, or whatever the case may be,

came to his spot and saying, yo, we got some gear for the king. So, you know, his men, before he get to the king, he got to his men. And, um, you know, they was like, girl, what you got? He was like, yo, we got clothes that's going to fuck everything up for this shit right here, blah, blah, blah. So they like, were,

so they like before they went to go to the king, they said, yo, let me see it. Let me try it on. You know what I'm saying? So when they went and seen it now, check it, y'all, this is where it gets real. This is where it really gets real.

So when they went to go see this shit, niggas is like this, this is it. So whatever's in their hand is nothing. It's nothing in your hand. Nothing. Nothing. No clothes. no nothing. This is the outfit. This right here is the shit. So now they go back and they start

talking amongst each other and saying, well, damn, it ain't nothing in his hand, but we're scared we don't want to fuck around and miss the opportunity to present sign to the king that might be dope. So we're going to say that is some shit. So they came back to the king and then now they told them. And then when they came back, when the king came back and he's seen it, now he's he's looking at them like fucking close here, man. But y'all saying this is what it is? Yo, this is what it is.

This is what it is. So they sold him into something that wasn't real. So I don't want to go too deep into it. But that's how I feel about the game right now. You know what I mean? Anything that niggas say, we're supposed to just credit it.

We're supposed to just co-sign it? Like, seriously? You know what I'm saying? Like, don't get me wrong. And back to what you were saying about all I was trying to do. hating on the generation that's here today

my thing is just like all of us is man's man niggas so it's like if we don't feel that way you can't sell me that you know what I mean I just feel like a lot of times we get sold on shit because it's a vanity move for anybody

it's yo I did it first or yo this or whatever or putting a lot of shit to be shit that it ain't it really ain't now now now look at it like this like in And rock music, you see how they, they separate shit. This is punk rock. This is hardcore metal.

This is this. This is that. But it's all under the... Make it all work. It's all under the thing of rock music. So I just feel like, yo, we be paling shit all up in there and calling it this and calling it that when they really... They ain't at that. So if I was to do something, not the culture, if I was to do something that was outside my element,

I might as well be outside with no clothes. And allowing, you know, whatever is something. somebody else is dictating to be what it is when I know that that's not what it is. You know what happened, right? Remember, they used to have these seminars in, like, D.C. and all that. How can I be down, shit

like that? I never forget. It's really weird now that I can't say who because it really don't make no sense. Because it was just really early hate. Well, I had to start saying who. No, I can't say who. He was like a bunch of living legends was on the stage to

something like this and then people could ask some questions after they were talking panel but some girl got up and said yo what do you think

about the leaders in the new school this is when them boys was on fire right just another case of that they were the first

young group to have it on franco when they was like yo who is they right and one of the

legends of all legends and I, you know, it was like, yo, I don't understand that shit, that shit, whack, this and this and that. I'm a hot 17 years old, 18. I look, because, you know, we worship these guys, and I was like, yo, they hating on the young dudes coming up. And so I always told myself,

I never hate on the young dudes, but some of the shit the young dudes be doing is out of control right now. No, no, I'm not going there. You're right. I'm not going there, and we got to accept all type of weird shit going on. But look, not to cut you off, right? You got to remember, they ain't come from the shit we come from, right? So it's the same way how our parents, when they was hearing the music that we love.

What the fuck is that? They came up one of the OJs and, you know what I mean? Stephanie Mills and this and that or whatever. So I guess in a way, you know what I mean? It's normal for us to be like, yo, we can't be. really relate all the way, but my thing is just that now it's at an all-time high of a lot of

suck of shit going on. Oh. And real nigga, because I should be real niggas, ain't really being like, yo, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up. Nah. You know, because I look at our forefathers the same way we sit in here and we're talking about the canes, the this,

the ricks, the carers, or that. You know, they taught us to be this way. This school is supposed to be this way. You know, now it's turning into a different school, you know, and my thing is that do your thing, shout out all the young knicks. Because one thing about me, I want you to get money, man, because hip hop saved a lot of lives, my nigger. You know what I mean? And we turned the economy up into a whole different stratosphere. So get money.

Do what you do. Get money. But stop calling everything fucking hip hop, man. You know what I'm saying? Because everything ain't hip hop. You know, you might be ill at what your, with your. technique is, you know what I'm saying? But, yo, that might not just be hip-hop.

That's not enough to be like, yo, all right, yo, you get the fucking, the shit on your neck. The shit I hate the most. You didn't earn the thing. One of the things I hate the most is I'm a news junkie. I go to sleep with the news on it. If I'm home, I'm watching the 10, 11 o'clock news. I'm a news junkie.

Like, anywhere I go. Like, yes, last night I was in Toronto watching the Toronto news. Am I in VA? I'm watching the VA. I want to see if they're killing the dudes in the habit. Like, I'm watching, right? And so, um, what's crazy is

everybody who either gets killed or kill somebody, they'd be like, rap star. And they'd be like, Junior X, Rallo Wallo. This one, we don't know who these niggas. These niggas don't even got a demo. Why everybody got to be hip-hop who's kilt or even killed?

And what makes you like a rapper? Like, would you cut a demo? And all of a sudden, the news is saying rapper, rap star. It's like, who are these guys? You understand? And it's like, we always get the brunt of it because I watch it. Whatever is always a rap dude. And then you got to Google them.

I think Jay Cole said it best one time. He said, I ain't even know. I had to Google him after they were saying on the news Hip-hop star Like, you know, because just because you rap or you got a demo or you got a this don't mean

you really a rapper. And another thing I got a problem with is everybody's saying they're in the industry. Like, what industry, bro? If you ain't got no fucking money and you're playing Xbox in the couch

30-some years old, what? industry. We all had our moments. We all had our learning. You know, we all had entourages. We all had what we don't want to call groupies.

Groupies around us because we hot right now, this and that. Crazy as shit is I go see a boogie. He's performing over here, Madison Square Guard. He's something to come out with him. I come in this green room and there's a dude

that used to be with me pun in our Green Room. Grown ass, man, A. Boogie, your little dude up in there, like, he's one of the guys, I look at this dude, and I couldn't fucking believe this. This guy's a lifelong groupie. Yo.

He got to be. John Blaze, and then I walk in A. Boogie shit, and the niggas up in there playing Xbox with them acting like, I look at this dude, I can't believe he spent this whole life doing this. In Greenwood.

And he's telling his family he's in the industry. He ain't in no fucking industry. No, I want to know, though. Like, why you open up a Pandora's box. But you know what it is? The people we allow to be around us sometimes is like, they feel engaged because they know, they know niggas. So when you feel like you know niggas,

you feel like you, it's like you feel like you feel like you, it's like you feel like you feel like got a job with me, you know, but you really don't do shit. You know what I mean? You're just drinking up my shit and rolling, smoking us, smoking our weed and eating the caterer. You know, doing all of that, but after we get to it. Yeah, but

they feel like they're entitled to it. It's an entitlement thing, you know? It's an entitlement thing, and the more you go out, more you start thinking that you are in the industry. Yeah. Because this is the number one, you know, this is the number one game.

that makes niggas think they got a job that you're doing absolutely nothing. Can you say that again, brother? This profession we're in, if you let somebody hang around long enough, they'll go to their families, say they're working. They're in the industry, they have a job.

And they're doing absolutely shit if you put a camera on them and follow them for the whole thing. And I'm going to try to talk. They're doing nothing, but making plates, taking a shit. feeding and sprinting. I'm trying to talk in Morse code.

I'm trying to talk in Morse code. It's fucking up the whole environment. One day I'm looking. They're in their family. I'm working. I'm in the industry. One day I got to do this guy, right, say 20 some or something.

He's making one of the most bogus claims and lawsuits in the world. And, you know, people, you know, you got a weird society now that's feeding into that shit in pumping. that you know what I'm saying like you got people who just and the guy just on his Instagram because I think he lost the lawsuit or something he was like yo you know in this industry oh my God if I didn't want to break the fucking phone this guy who's just a weirdo

showing somebody with the most bogus lawsuit he's nobody you understand what I'm saying like absolutely no one he didn't make a beat didn't rap not down with the crew. He just tried to sue a rapper with the most bogus shit you ever heard in the light. And the man gets to talk and he's like, you know, and I'm like,

oh, so now if you sue a rapper, you're in the industry? Crazy. That's the industry we're in. That's the industry we're in. Huh? That's the industry. You know this shit, that is.

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And I want to plug something else too. I just got a new show on Shade 4-5 Sunday Start in October 21st Crazy About time they got one of us in the building Shit I need an interview from you

You got it This is what it is This is what it is This is why I try to tell him Right, Ray Because you know I shit number one You know I know

Not y'all This they didn't Half came in And he was like y'all I made it Everybody's telling me this is it, right? Don't get it fucked up. We're number one, right?

And, you know, I fall on the sword, bro. I don't give a fuck. I'm delusional. I don't give a fuck. I'm full of the sword, yo. It's crazy. What I'm saying to you is the reason why this works,

and the reason why. I knew it would work is because... He's going to tell them. Huh? Why do you want to... No, no, no, but this is just normal shit. This is why I'm trying to big him up for his show. There's a reason why we watch

Charles Barclay, Shaquille, O'Neill, Kenny Anderson, because they all champs. They all... Kenny Smith. Kenny Smith. Now, Kenny Anderson, we got the same legs, me and Kenny Smith. Left, right. We got the same legs.

But what I'm saying to you is, There's a reason they're valid. We want to hear him. Too short got a show on XM2. We want to hear the real legends that bitch. So we come up in here and we talk in hip-hop. We love hip-hop. We embracing the culture.

Q-Tip, who never bothers nobody, texts me all the time. Yo, I never knew nobody love hip-hop like me. You guys are up there loving hip-hop, preserving the culture. This is hip-hop. This is like fucking came. it's wine, bro. Special shit.

And look, those niggas you're talking about, it's like they don't fuck with the rules. They keep the rule book right. You know what I mean? It's rules. It's supposed to be rules. You know what I mean? And it's like... It's a society of new people

that's twisting and bending the shit. Rules, but, you know, we let that money, you know, millions is being made and, you know, you start to... You start to, like I said, vanity. That's vanity. That's when it starts to take over your mind and your soul. And then next thing you know, before you're doing it,

you out there fucking wearing, fucking Louis sandals with two open toes on it. You know what I mean? Because they're louis and all this bullshit. So now you think, yo, you can get away with that. Just little shit. But like I said, at the end of the day, this ain't no assassination, you know, you know, a situation with the younger generation. Because, hey, my thing is if he wasn't there,

I ain't expecting you to know it. You see what I'm saying? You wasn't there. Now get money, do what you do, but it got to be somewhere where it got to be some, you know, regulations, go and all the rulebook like, yo, hold up. Nah, stop calling that debt or stop saying this or stop saying that. Because if you really look at it, like every place got their zone.

Don't get me wrong. Like, yeah, I was living in the South. They get busy. They got their bounce. You know what I mean? You go over here. You know, man. You know, West Coast, they got their sound.

We, yo, salute. You know what I mean? Yo, because that's a part of hip hop as well. You don't what I mean. The way they do, they do they dance. But we ain't trying to do what they do and they shouldn't be trying to do what we do. If anything, we compliment each other's shit. But when you start doing weird shit and, you know, when it get really out of control, nobody ain't saying nothing.

It's like, oh, I'm down. No, it's all the way out of control. I told them the other day, we were talking about, uh, not, and nobody. particular form, but we're talking about look, I'll leave it at that, man, because these guys, nah, nah, because he's out of control. So right now

they got the big shit. Who's rat? This one's rat. This one's rat. This one's rat. My aunt, my cousin, everybody's rat. Now you got one dude who's calling out the 48 laws of rat. Yo, I rat it the most. You guys didn't spend as much time as me. In court,

these are the rules. If you don't walk in by 1159 on Monday, You're not a real... I've never seen this in the history of hip-hop music. And this is part of the shit you're talking about.

You're talking about some other shit too. I don't want to hurt no feelings. But it's like... I get it. We let a lot of shit slide, man. We let a lot of shit slide on our watch. It should have been reprimanded and just...

As uncomfortable as it is, we should have spoke up and been like, Yo, that ain't there. Y'all, yo. I'm a journalist. Emperor's new close-out right now, all-platform. New My Deep album coming in October.

October 10th. The tour starred in November. November? No Bones for Tickets. We got a track? Pumped it fucking upped it. Who got a track? Oh, shit.

Only on Joe and Jaylor. Only Joe and Jeter. You know how serious this turkey job is? This shit is up. 52 fake out right here. No doubt. Don't worry, Jen. There's a bunch of famples.

That's right. What's up, man? We're talking coming in here with the hood on this. He's on. You. You're right. You're right. Come here, sis.

Rap sit. When he joined it? Oh. That's how that shit be. We used to do on the couch. You're left down the company and New Mobb D. Right here. What a boy, how you doing?

Love you too, son. Some listen to this new show. Rads, yeah. The new board D. You go right there. We're getting on in your chain button with a phrase. Yes. New ball deep.

Yes. Please press play. What? Yes. Lay that shit. Turn it up. There you go. There you love.

That's what I need. There you love. A difference, right? New Mar-D, New Mar-D! New York is just one crumb on the map. One crumb ain't a lot. You're happy with that piece. I'm going to need that blind.

You said to find my worst. Pass the die of my meat. For blood money and power, the fans turn me to a monster. Addicted to when they scream, you had one hit in your life. One hit in your life. One second in fame. One of you niggas jack up, everybody pays. All of you niggas back up.

Oh, I'm a sauce to raise. It's the ring around the roly and pocket full of old men. Ashes to ashes. All my fallen soldiers reminds me to bring my gun. Bring it back. Bring it back. That niggas. Oh, hell is fucking back.

Bring that shit. Oh, yeah. Bring it back Bring it back Bring it back, huh? I don't think that knickers hear me though, man Nope You don't hear me

Wow I got my shit New mom deep puns a dance song No mom deep pun to dance songs Now I can't wait One crumb on the map One crumb ain't a lot You happy with that piece

I'm gonna need that pot That satisfy my thirst Passify my greed For blood money and power The fans turn me to a monster Addicted to when they scream You had one hit in your life One second in fame

One of you niggas act up Everybody pays All of you niggas back up Or I'm gonna start spraying It's the ring around the roly And pocket full of old man Ashes to ashes All my fallen soldiers

Reminds me to bring my gun Bring my blade Kills niggins on contact Just like raid Can't bomb each I'm in my A I'm drinking whack willies This a cool wool dominants

Kill some block shit A mini Hugh King Thirteen apples the only It's farmed deep against the world Ah Can't beat this It's far I'm deep against the world You can't beat this.

I got machines too, nigga, a big one. The small deep against the world. That's a ball. Plastic rockin' off. Yeah. Yeah, like dude, that's... The small deep against the world. 40s.

I'm gonna need some more rockers on this internet. I feel to burn this fucking dance. And smile deep against the world. You won't war? I'll take you war. Yo. Shine, baby, shine. Yeah, that's what I do.

You niggis talk a good boy, but never follow through. Slow down, little youngest streets and follow your hole. Fills up with holes, you're not, bro, you know the code. I ain't got to tell you keep your service small. That's a given. Gotta be about your paper, not just partying bitches. The big picture, my shit was sitting in the spincher. Guys, brazen bracelets, though.

Goosebone, bracelets. Goosebone, bracelets, dog. Goosebone bracelets, though. This shit we're talking. The open case. Front on me, because of bird, go open your face. I'm that nigger. My name.

All over the place I'm good there and you're not dope Lide got your spot blown You the reason why the cops know what the cops know Whoo He is not low Motherfucking mall is by my dog Deep against the world

It's right, it's not on good nigger, bitch-ass niggas, niggas go be friends with somebody else It's mom deep against the world Fuck That was fucking safe Assistant Ratchit, he sat in for that exclusive. Jesus Christ, when the album come out?

October 10th. Oh, damn, I'm going to have to sneak in the offices and something, man. I got to get my hands. Now, that's shit bothering me right now. That's just so crazy. This shit is bothering me. I ain't got my hands on the whole shit. It's like you see an episode of Gangs of London or stuff shit.

This shit is like, yo, it's like mob land. This shit. Sounds so refreshing. It sounds beautiful. We got the Queen Rhapsody in the motherfucking building. Came out of nowhere. Pulled up on the guns. Yo, raps.

Oh, and I heard. Your raps, raps, raps. Tell them, tell them, tell them something real quick. Tell them how me and you connected. Tell them where it started. He was in North Carolina. You came down to work with nights. That was the first time I got to meet you in the last.

You got talking to Mike. Oh, I got, oh. Yeah, just passed that shit over a little, some. Yeah. We got bootleg mics, to be honest. Carolina Bright Lady Studio, and Ray came down, came to the studio. I was always in the studio, studio, Ratt, man. You was on already?

Yeah. Yeah, and so you used some records, and you just show mad love. You got on the, um, what was the first joint we did? Coconut, uh, coconut, something, coconut oil or something like that. Some worried. Yeah. and bless me. And you've been in my corner ever since.

No, of course. Of course. I remember, like, when she was on her rise, you know? Yeah. And I was in North Carolina, and, you know, we was around 9th. And, you know, he was like, yo, I want you the same, same pun type of situation, you know, where it was like, yo, rap's the bar. Yo, I never heard of whatever. But he was like, yo, she get busy.

You know what I mean? And I wound up doing a record with her down the line. And, look, you want to talk please. You know, she's from the cloth, so we support her. He's funny. Whatever she do. Oh, no. He did the same thing for me.

You know what I'm saying? Raid, one of them guys that, you know, he's going to support if he believe in you and he think you family, and he think you worthy of it. You can't fake him. He's like, he got to believe in you, and that's it. You say no more, he's going to pull up. But true, we protect you whether you know it or not,

because you're from the same cloth. So whenever you throw somebody, you see me repost your shit, Do whatever. It's like, we, you know, people like you, special. So we got to make sure, coming from where we come from, we got to make sure we can help you win as much as we can because, you know, you're talking the shit. Everything we're complaining about, you're not.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like everything we like, yo, the game fucked up. The game, you're not. So we got to support you at all costs. So it's beautiful. And ninth one day, you know, that guy is incredible. Shut up. That's nice.

Wow. Ninth, no, everything. He knows about graffiti. He'd be hitting me up. Yo! That bubble letters, that this. You know, he know about all that shit, man. But, New Mar Deep in October, they're going on tour.

It's an honor. It's the Joe and Jeter. We got to get a segment for you to come and just talk your shit. You know, y'all. Right now, you just came on the drive-by. Yes, you just came in for the exclusive list. That's Michelle. I mean, I had to come show respect.

I saw all the King's here. Like, I'm able to do what I do because of the doors that you're open. I'm just going by every one of you are. Nah, but you get busy, though. Busy, busy. You know, you're a writer. Super busy. And you can tell us in your bones.

You know what I mean? Like, you know, I love the fact that you stay in your lane, you know. And when I think an artist, you know, it's important to still understand that this is poetry. You know, and, um, she's, you know, and, um, she's, you know, and, um, she's definitely really on it like that, you know, like she takes serious and that's what I fell in love with it about you is that, yo, she really rhyme, like. She rhyme and she, like, and she do,

she doing exactly what you say. She's staying in the lane. She do what she loved to do. I don't feel like, you know, I'm not against it, but I don't feel like every girl needs to be over-sexualized and all life. You know what I'm saying? She wants Brahms and beats. That's it.

She wants rhymes and beasts. The bars and the soldiers doing all the talking for her. She don't need to, I mean, she's very well-spoken, but you hit it when you press play or she hits the button. And you- You know, he got daughters too, so it's like, you know, I just want to tell you thank you for what you bring to the table because, you know, it gives us a little bit of peace knowing that

it's conscious, you know what I mean, artists out there that do what they do, but they're doing it in a way where it's like, yo, we feel proud. They should be like, yo, knowledge. Very class. You know what I mean? Knowledge is important, man.

And you definitely, he definitely is swartress. Thank you, my mom. Swartress, you know. And that ain't this. It's cracking kiss. God damn it. Thanks for noise, Bob, yes. Let's go.

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