Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 1221 Johnathan Haidt

Episode Date: January 15, 2019

Johnathan Haidt is a college professor and author. He talks to Joe about how best to raise kids and the problem with the way parents are raising kids today. He and joe have a great conversation and there’s really a lot to learn in it if you’re a new parent or thinking of having children. Definitely worth a listen. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews: [e-mail]

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Los enbases del verano Siempre van a la amarillo Hello there, this episode of the podcast is brought to you by Inka Booch. Inka Booch is a new kind of kombucha combining all the probiotic benefits of other kombuchas with the antioxidant benefits of purple corn infused tea. Purple corn is some of the highest levels of antioxidants in the planet world and combined with tea to make kombucha makes for a powerhouse of nutrition. Visit IncaBooch.com to check out their great selection of drinks, including Spiceberry and Ginger Coconut. So for the JRE review today, I will be reviewing this week on my own podcast 12-21 with Jonathan Hate, I think that's how you say his last name, H-A-I-D-T. His conversation with Joe was very interesting, he's a very smart guy, very well thought out. He's an author of the happiness

hypothesis and the coddling of the American mind and has some fascinating things to say and brings up some great points to which Joe was some on board with and some not on board with. So some on board within some not on board with so anyway let's get reviewing So the first thing that they get into is really interesting and it's basically part of the dialogue that's been going on for the last few weeks on this podcast is the fake scientific papers. So the two gentlemen that came on Joe's podcast a couple of months ago and wrote those fake papers talked about them and other guests have come on and

mentioned it really in like high-level academia that people are talking about those papers. It's raised a lot of awareness in how silly they are. So a bit of background if you're not familiar with it but I'm sure you are if you're listening to this podcast it's just that there was some like peer-reviewed papers written that got published and they were kind of like pandering to the far-left liberal kind of ideologies that are working their way into the university. So for example one of the studies and I haven't looked them, but it's just what I'm hearing on this podcast, is that there was one about

rape culture, but in dog parks, and basically it was just mockery. They were just making fun of this process and the fact that they could get these published. There was another one where they just took lines from mine comp and instead of using the word Jew, they used the word man. And that got passed as well. So showing that there's like a lot of biased people out there that are passing these papers,

well, what's happened now is the people in charge of this instead of just being embarrassed and saying, we need to change our system because how we did these papers and how we're setting this up is ridiculous. They're actually charging one of the guys involved because he's connected to a university with a violation of fabrication numbers because he was saying that they, you know, did they checked out 10,000 dogs or something, which obviously was a lie, but the whole thing was, was a lie, and they're trying to get them on it, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, you've already been found out to be guilty.

We've not been able to put together proper papers, and your whole system for validating them is, is a joke, and now you want to go after someone that called you out on it. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to find, you know, what's really going on there. But in this podcast with Jonathan, they get into where this new political thought came from, you know, this kind of like far left progressive sort of lunacy that we're seeing and with Antifa and all these not cases. But anyway, he was saying that it kind of started in the 80s with certain types of ideologies and they started to come together and it went much faster in the early 2000s and came to a head in about 2014. As a few ideologies came together. And university leftism went extreme and he didn't really give a date exactly.

But he was saying that it started at, I think he said Yale. There was some case where the students were complaining about something. And they protested. And instead of the university really just knocking on the head they said what do you need? What can we give you to just calm this situation down? Well that went national and then there were protests all over and all of a sudden you know it went into that. It just created, you know they realized they had some power with these ideologies and then they

just went full ball with them and in certain places it's picking up speed. And also by the way, we hear a lot about it, this progressive thought and all the universities are out of control and young kids today are just all thinking this way. And, but from what I understand, it's not as, it just gets a lot of press. The Midwest universities are not really this way. It's more of an East Coast, West Coast school thing, and it's slightly more isolated than it makes out to. And it's also a small minority.

It's mostly just people making a lot of noise And this is at least how I'm understanding it. So that's that's Calm me down a little bit anyway. I prefer that but John of them is saying a lot of this comes from the fact that kids have lost free play Because they have social media Excuse me a bit of a cough. They go out to, you know, instead of going out and playing with friends and learning conflict and how to deal with it, they're just on social media where you can be grandstanding and making bold points.

And, you know, you don't have to back them up, you're anonymous. You can just kind of like cowardly write things down and walk away from it and get a lot of notice or not. You know, there's extremes online, there's a lot of hate on that. And I'm in the playground, that's hard to do because there's a little kid, you know, some might push you over or smack you. So there's consequences, but you don't really get that online. So in a way, these kids aren't prepared for conflict and therefore college and Jonathan saying that to Joe that this leads kids to be more anxious and depressed and

It's really just a minority pushing this dialogue, but but that's an interesting thing I mean he's saying studies is showing that these kids now are more anxious and depressed. He said especially in girls You know ones that are using social media and like mid school kind of age because You know that the girls have aggressive tendencies to and they're going to bully in their own way and They do it with kind of social relationships and that's easy to do online and that's really sad to hear. It's really sad to hear that you know that it's getting harder to get through mid school. It's been a long time since I was in mid school but I'd like to, it was tough but I like to think that you know teachers now and school

systems and the way that we've learned as time goes on that we make it Better for kids and not worse because we don't understand the technologies that they connected to and how to deal with it I mean bullying is going to rear its head in all different ways We have to be careful about it. It's not it's not helpful so You know, that's that's kind of how it is. And a lot of this is just, you know, that these complaints aren't done in person, because conflict is too high and you really get no credit as well. When you, let's say you have

a complaint about a teacher, right, you could go up to the teacher and tell them even if they are able to fix this complaint That's it. It's the end of it But if you complain online you don't have to deal with a conflict and if you get a lot of support you get a lot of credit So this is kind of how this like social media thing is done and you know in the universities now a lot of the restrooms have reporting information, which really puts teachers on guard because they can go in there and complain about something a teacher says. Now, obviously, if teachers are being racist and, you know, just out of line, there should

be a system for it, and that's good. But also, they shouldn't be completely on their toes, or backpedaling just because they're so afraid all the time. And it comes from this whole idea of microaggressions and what that means. And it's like in a sense racism is not as prevalent as it used to be. There were some people think it is, but it's certainly not as bad as it was in the past. And therefore, what's a new type of thing to get upset about. So now it's microaggressive. We've just kind of moved the line off of center towards an even more sensitive way of being.

And there's definitely a balance there somewhere. And, uh, you know, the word is out. The racism is prejudice with power. It's given minorities a cloak of invulnerability. So racism is prejudice with power. What do you think about that? Meaning that you have to be in a state of power, a position of power, quote unquote, like white people, white man, in order to be racist. Well, that's not really true. You just need prejudice. That's a dangerous thing because it says to people without power that they can be as prejudices they want and it's not racist. That's a scary thing. You should never give somebody free rein like that because it'd just get totally abused. And it's not really about the truth these days in these arguments. It's

about winning. Everything's about winning. You try and really make a point. You could give someone all the data in the world. They don't care. They really just don't care. Talking about not going out and play. There's other things that are in a sense making kids soft, and this is something that Jonathan talks about and sites some real studies on. Peanut allergies are one, and they could be wiped out completely. So if you give people peanut powder, the immune system will develop the ability guess digest peanuts without having some sort of anaphylactic shock and it's that what they've done is people that maybe have heard don't give peanuts the babies or whatever so they don't do it and then a lot of these kids grow up with severe peanut allergies but if you even children

that are susceptible to peanut allergies like their parents had peanut allergies if you give had peanut allergies. If you give them peanut powder when they're younger, you body adapts and you're no longer likely to have that problem. And that's interesting because it goes the same for going out and play. You want to get dirt that you want to get in the mud. You've got to build your immune system. Your immune system gets stronger by being exposed to these things. You become resilient, you build your own capacity. And that's another thing. When you're talking about raising kids, Jonathan is saying, don't build self-esteem, build capacity. The capacity for stress,

you know, it's like a buffer system, like how much discomfort can you take in that sense and still hold your shit together. That's actually where self-esteem comes from, you know, the confidence for life is you can take on more. I find that fascinating. That's a really interesting way of going about things. I've also heard that you shouldn't ever say to your kid how smart they are because that can make them lazy.

They just think that they're smart, they think they can do it, they won't work hard. Whereas the better thing to do is to say, look how well you did when you practiced and practiced and practiced and then you knew the answer or you practiced and practiced and practiced and practiced and you were able to make that shot. And then you're teaching them the repetition of the practice is actually what makes you good, which is really what it is. I mean, even for smart kids, even for geniuses, they have to do something. They have to learn the process before they can make anything really impressive happen.

And I think that's an important point. One thing that Joe brought up, kind of it, against what Jonathan was saying is that he's a little nervous about his daughter staying over at people's houses. He's very selective about parents that they go stay with, which I think is a smart move. And the idea of her just kind of walking down to the store and around is really not something that Joe

is going to allow. And a lot of it comes from the fear of kidnapping. But Jonathan makes the point that in the U.S. kidnapping is very rare, incredibly rare statistically, and that can be proven. And it's like something less than like 100 kids a year. And you take almost anything that can happen to a child. And I mean, this would be so low down on the list and it's not just because we're parents are overprotective. Yeah he was saying this statistically would you have you'd

have to stay in a parking lot with the windows down and doors unlocked with a child in the back for 700,000 years before the child would get kid get kidnapped statistically in the United States. I don't know how he got those numbers and that seems way too long, but there's something there that the point that he's trying to make is just that it's very unlikely we don't have to be so overly protective. I mean, obviously his parents, you want to be smart, but when they're young, like we used to go out to play, they need to as well and that's going to build their self-esteem and make them quite a bit stronger. And really that's what

we're trying to do with kids is make them prepared and ready for the world and if you call to them too much, they're just not going to be. But anyway, that's it for now. Check out that conversation. It out that conversation. It's really good. There's some great things in there. If you're thinking to having kids or you've got young kids, there's some good information in there to consider. And who knows, maybe you're a change, the way that you're raising them,

in the hopes that you'll make them more confident. So thanks for listening. I really appreciate it. Love you guys, talk soon. Thanks for listening and again this review is bought to you by Inka Booch. Go to InkaBooch.com to order your drinks today.