Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 207 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Mark Gorrdon and Andrew Marr et al.

Episode Date: January 13, 2021

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joined as ever by my buddy Garrett. How you doing buddy? What is up folks? How you doing? Now I got some great guests from last week Lawrence Wright We've got Dr. Mark Golden and Andrew Ma that one is about as thick as a podcast gets with information and Phil Did how do you say his name is? Demas? Demas. Okay. I believe. Phil. Then there was there was obviously the wrestler and who was the other guy? You said the Icarus guys.

I didn't get around to those two to tell you the truth. Yeah. The Icarus. The Icarus guy Brian Fogel. So Jordan Burrows and Brian Fogel and then those those were great podcasts Too but because there's five for the week. We're just gonna yeah, we're just gonna run over the first three and But the other two definitely worth listening to So Lawrence Wright Fascinating guy great to listen to I thought yeah, like Fascinating guy, great to listen to. I thought. Yeah, like, he's a young seventy-seven young.

All the guys, I was not gonna say. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, but like, wise and well thought out. He had just like a storybook way of talking. Like, you just listen to him for a long time. You know what he's saying is wise and honest and legit, you know, it just comes, comes across. So Joe, Jack of all trades, go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh, for sure. I mean, talented guy. Joe knew of him because of a book he wrote about Scientology, kind of pointing out all the pitfalls of the insanity of it. And yeah, and Joe bought that book, Dianetics, which is like the Scientology book back in a day. Thank God, Joe didn't become a Scientologist.

Well, he was... Imagine how different the world would be. He'd be over the top on that too. I don't think he's more of a head in that system. Yeah, but who knows? Maybe if they got him young, they could have indoctrinated him and he'd be full on Scientology. You know what I mean? I wonder at what point you're like, you can take a step back.

Was there any time in your life that you were like, I don't want to say sucked in. There was a time in my life where I was super Christian. Like I was trying to spread the word when I was a young kid. Hmm. Was there ever a time like that? No, I mean, I didn't grow up religious in England. Right.

And I tried it when I moved to America because everybody was a Christian, you know, numbing high school. Right. So I'm like, yeah, I tried this, but I just never, never started. I figured I could have worked too much. It always seemed like a fantasy. Right. Yeah, I kind of kind of got that realization towards the end of high school.

I was just like, what have I done? I don't have anything. Yeah, I don't have anything against religion. I think that it's a good place for people to start and a good place for people to like drop on. It's a good book. But the idea that you have something figured out that somebody else doesn't have figured out based on a group of ideas that this group tells you is right. It's a bit naive. People just like answers though. Yeah, that's true. You know They like answers. They like to be told like oh, we do this and this and then this and this and your life This is the answer in his forgiveness and you live forever. It's like it sounds pretty good, right? Like I'll take it right. Yeah, yes and no there's I see that but Definitely seems like some fucked up shaker when I'm with Scientology though. Yeah, man

The I mean just straight out the gate like the amount that's you invest and to be part of it just seems like Put the bad taste in your mouth right out the gate Yeah, it wasn't Joe's saying that his one neighbor had to pay like $50,000 for something. Oh, it's some outlandish. I mean, you can't be, there's no poor Scientologist who's just put it that way. Right. They went to Richmond. I don't think they appealed to that market. How creepy did you think it was that they hire the private investigators to like follow people around and harass them?

I mean, I feel like that's coinciding with the whole deal. It's like you got to cover your track. So it's like Clearly you're not doing something that's by the by me and those things have been ridiculed and like Forever, I mean even Christianity has like the traveling man that goes to the money It's like when it comes down to finances. And you know that that's the driving force behind it. It seems you're going to have to cover some tracks. It's a good way to put it because there's going to be some loose ends.

And you think that's what it is. It's just like total control. I think that's the message. Right. I mean, I think that's even like a thing about. I mean, I don't want to like refer to Epstein, but he would like get some dirt on somebody that they didn't want getting out.

And that was like the one thing that he could hang onto if anything ever went down. Oh, I see what you're saying. So I said, they always want to have some in their back pocket, you know what I mean? Yeah, a little bit of a safety now. Without a doubt. That's kind of, I guess that's how, what's his name?

J.A. Gohova, the guy that used to run the FBI. Right. Was it the FBI or the CIA? Pretty sure FBI. One of the two, I'm not. But that's how, yeah, that's how he kept, like, his power and, like, increased it. Yeah. He had dirt on everybody.

That just never seems like it's going to end well. But yeah, that seems to be the only approach to get people to keep quiet. If you got something else on everybody. That just never seems like it's gonna end well. But yeah, that seems to be the only approach to get people to keep quiet if you got something else on them. Yeah, I just can't relate to that really. Like imagine doing that with your like friend group. Right. The trend also. So strange. Hold it like the guy that has all the secrets and you like, do you better be cool? Me otherwise. I'll tell everyone you shit your pants that way. I mean, that is an awful guy to be. First of all, because nobody likes you second of all. How could you ever sleep well being that guy?

That's just ugh. But that's what I'm saying. Like, why does it work in the night? I don't know. I look. That's a great question. I don't think that it's functional. I'll tell you that.

I mean, it's gotta be a scary existence. You used to say the least. To say the least. Especially, I mean, having that, like, kind of stress on your mind has to just fuck with your body, too. It's gotta fuck with everything to have that kind of stress. Unless you're a sociopath, which, I guess, that would be the only justification for a lot of the behavior that people tend to do in those places of power. Right. Do you think you have any dirt that's big enough for someone to be

at a control you at least for a period of time? I feel like I'm fairly transparent or somebody asked me a question I tell you the answer. I don't have a whole lot to hide. I've been caught for some stupid shit and I've also made some good decisions in my life. I mean I saw one thing but I don't think that there's something that that's dirt on me. No, I try and be fairly transparent. I think what about yourself? You know, I've done plenty of dumb shit. Right. That's what I'm saying. I've been talking about it pretty freely.

I don't have too much shame about it. I mean, maybe if I did something more heinous, I'd be more concerned. I feel like it's good to look back on those moments and see them as like learning like lessons, you know what I mean? As far as, as long as you take them as a learning situation, and adapt it to your life, it can't necessarily be a bad thing because you had to learn that lesson. So, I don't know, not all those are bad.

I like learning from other people's mistakes. Now that I've gotten older, it's much easier and much more rewarding to be like all right. Don't fuck up there Right, I think taking responsibility for the dumb shit you've done as is an important part of not doing it again absolutely It seems that way right do you think that Scientology? Got really big in LA just like in a lot of ways because of the kinds of people that are there? Like they say on them they they said on the podcast like L.A. is the way it is because a bunch of people from different places

Move that to kind of be famous and the pursuit of fame is such a strange and interesting one that it creates a kind of malleable type of individual. It's like do whatever it takes to get to that spot. I know, right? Believe whatever I need to. And then all of a sudden, Scientology comes along and you're like, hey, you can make me famous. I'll do anything you say. Right.

That's a good question. I mean, it seems very plausible, right? Because you think about, I mean I'll give that some thought too like Like Joe's talking about comedians come out here because they were trying to be funny That's like a whole art and don't get me wrong acting as an art as well, but Like when you're coming out here just to like if you got a Geico commercial boy, you made it It's like wow like that's a rough existence sometimes and not to be critical because those people are making money and doing what they want to do but I don't know. It just seems like an odd thing. I don't know. I've wanted to do it to

So I don't know. Think of the differences between like the actors, you know, and any stand-ups that you know Like the stand-ups are almost encouraged to be more themselves, even through controversy, where the actors, it's the opposite. Without it, don't be yourself. Be a hollow shell, and conform as hard as you can. Exactly, don't express any critical thought.

Right, I mean, that's kind of the deal, like jumping to the character, so the good ones can do that. That's for sure. I mean, I hate to say that, but that's part of the deal like jumping to the character so the good ones can do that. That's for sure. I mean I hate to say that but that's part of the game. That's why everybody can't do it so I don't know you think also Also things like the Scientology part is is like you get people or like any kind of cult Is you get people that are kind of ashamed from family and their community. And now all of a sudden they get to be in that

and feel loved and cared for in a community. I don't think that's wrong. I'm hesitant to say that Scientology would be the first place to go for that. I would imagine Christianity is a lot cheaper, I imagine, from the jump. But anyway, if that's the case, you're cheaper really. Imagine if they advertise them based on before. We're doing two-for-ones over the Scientology lab to the... Yeah, I see, I could see. I mean, being a part of communities basically, I mean, if this pandemic has taught us anything,

especially me, we've already know that we've kind of been extroverted people as it is, but that's the one thing I miss is just community and being around the friends that I have. And it's interesting, I mean, I've said this and made references before, but the places where you're trying to lock down the most seems like the places where the people are going to

congregate the most with their friends at their houses, which would be more of a, seems more detrimental as far as a spreading situation would go if you're being like realist, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I know, but that's the problem. I mean, you take L.A. and you're right. There's a think of the think of our group and our friend group and the people that we spend time with.

Right. Almost everyone's extroverted. Right. It's just that kind of energy. Yeah. with right almost everyone's extroverted right it's just that kind of energy yeah like no one that will tag along in our group or is like boring right even if they say dumb shit all the time they're like pretty good socially right people are just really good socially out there i notice that living

in bozeman not to say people aren't good like they're very nice up here in bozeman and it's their wonderful people. But you know sometimes they're socially a little awkward. Right. You know the conversations kind of take a bit more effort to kind of get to know someone or a little bit longer. Where is in... Go on. Would you say that in bozeman? This is just something I noticed from being in a small town for a bit a couple of couple months ago It seems like that people are more apt to just start like start up a conversation. It might be awkward sometimes, but Seems like in like I don't know home depot or wherever you'd go It seems like they're a little more apt to like just be a little bit more kind in those small towns is opposed to like Yeah, I guess we sure was what they you know, they're not surrounded by 800 billion people right every second of every day like often in a

big city you just want to get on with your day like people are everywhere you're getting all of your kind of what we are talking about community conversation and your extroverted energy like we're getting out all the time. Think how often we're running into people and talking and conversing. There are people out here that live on like a ranch. They go to Home Depot. That's the first time they've seen anyone today. Right.

So they're willing to just be like, oh wow. And you know, if you're from somewhere else. You're a man. Yeah. I mean, especially England, I notice that up here more than anywhere. Like people will talk about it in LA, but there's a lot of people from everywhere.

So they're not that bothered. But here it's like, wow, you're from England. Blah blah, I have to hold that conversation daily. That's right, that's what you know. So it is different. It is different for sure. Right. Oh, Joe was talking about and the guy was too about how long you want to live, right? Because kind of religion is kind of geared towards that in a lot of ways.

It's like immortality, either going to heaven or if you're Mormon, you get your own planet, and it's just this idea that this is what we want to live forever. I think that's what they think, right? Isn't it kind of a veteran planet? It seems fairly vain. It seems fairly man-made. Like, that's for me, that's what I always think that I always compare that to vanity. Just like, because the only man could think that other, there's no like dog thinking about where he's going. He's just like living right here in the moment. Yeah, well we we I think we can think further out in the future. Right. Then animals. True. I think that's a part of like how our brain works. Yeah.

And so therefore it's inevitable that we think beyond our death and hope that it continues because we really can't like we can't even contemplate what death or nonexistence is. Right. So it's easy to fill in the gap. But Joe was saying, you know, to put a time on it, like, you want to live 200 years, 500,000. And he made a good point, he said, well, if I'm healthy, and my body works, and I'm having a good time, I wouldn't want it to stop. Right. And that's an interesting question. Like, would you, like, would you want to live forever?

I think once I didn't think that I was thinking more, no, until he did say that. And I was, that's, I mean, interesting. You brought that up because I was thinking the same thing. It's like, do you want it to end? If it, end? If you feel great, I definitely don't want to be 95 and decrepit for the last fucking however many years. If I was like, lively as I am now and I had all the health that I have now for extended period of time, hell yeah, I'm still alive.

At the same time. That's the question, right? At the same time. I thought it was fascinating too. I was like, wow, I totally totally agree if you're having a good time And you can still Function and do the things you want and you know, it's not depressing you right of course you just want to Why would you not want to just stick around for as long as you can?

Yeah, I also have her in not to like bring light to death But at the same time anytime I've ever heard people having like near death Experiences and the same kind like I think I've ever heard people having like near death experiences and the same kind of, I think I've had a few in my life, not to the point where I was like drowning and died, but it was like there was some times where I saw my life like flash in front of my eyes for sure, but you have this like almost like, I was just watching this documentary about it yesterday and they were just like interviewed a group of people and a couple of them happened to be like surgeons and physicians, so they weren't really a liberty

to wanna discuss the fact that there could be more on the other side, but they all kind of described this similar thing about being super at peace and like seeing a light and like they all kind of described the same variables, like what happened. So it was like just kind of interesting. And I've heard that in person from people too, so not to make light of death,

but I don't think that I, I mean, death is part of life at this point. So I don't think it's something to fear. You know what I mean? We, well, it's happening to everyone. Right. So, you know, and everyone deals with it. Yeah, everyone has to.

Right. So, Shakespeare said it's very strange that it's such a weird scary thing that we know nothing about right I mean, but it's kind of the cool thing at the same time. We don't need to know everything about everything. It's kind It's in God for sure God's hands. I think of you think of it that way that's I think of like religion more in that round Like God is the ocean you can have a glass of God You can have all the God use kind of take what you need and fucking be part of like be part of the wave. So you're part of it. I don't

know. He's such a hippie. I'll take it. Such a circle. Take it. Let's talk about the pandemic book he wrote to. What how crazy is that that he wrote the pandemic book and he used as his like, I guess like professional source for research to do that invented the vaccine. Right. I mean, like how wild is that? I'd be interested to read the book just to see like how close he was and or how he envisioned it. Like love how he said that he didn't he underestimated how terrible the government would be.

Right. Right. And how conformist we've been. That's what he is. That's what he is. I'm surprised. I feel like we've been yeah, I feel like we've been really pretty conformist. Even though it should still out of control in the hospitals, whatever, dude, let's be fair. Like people just kind of accepted all of this lockdown. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. We all did. But we were just like, oh, we're doing the soldiers on the narrative that you guys are doing the right thing. This is how we save the people. This is how it all goes down. This is how we do it. Mask and dud, dud, dud, dud. And they don't know shit. They have no

science. There's making shit up by their bootstraps just making it up on a hunch. It's like, I'm, well, there's some scientists don't know. They're trying to do in that bus, but they definitely got lost, you know, along the way in certain places. I mean, they've talked about that a bunch of times. This is a good time to move on to the Dr. Mark Gordon

and Jumar podcast, heavily COVID focused and health focused. And you know, these are the podcasts, like Dr. Ronda Patrick, that chicks awesome. But these are the podcasts that first made me think about doing this type of podcast, right? Because I was like, wow, I wish there was one that kind of, you know, sometimes I'll listen to ones full of information. Right. And it's like, I don't know what to take away from that. And I'm not saying we're going to be able to tell you that because we're just probably not smart enough. But it, it, it made me think about creating that dialogue, that conversation, for sure, just to be like, what did everyone think about this? Like so much information,

and at the end you're like, am I supposed to eat broccoli sprouts? What's going on? That guy is so smart, like he didn't say one four-letter word at all. I imagine playing Scrabble with that guy. Jesus. I imagine playing Scrabble with that guy Well, look the big the big focus is definitely inflammation right that was what they got into inflammatory Excuse me. I'm dying over here. I Went for a bike ride this morning, and I just flammy scrubs So excuse me, but inflammatory cytokines,

that's what he kept talking about. I don't know what a cytokine is, I guess it's something floating around inside you, but pay attention to it. So you gotta keep the inflammation down. They didn't talk about soreners at all, I wish they had. Right.

I mean, jaw, and like got into that benefit, but that's already established. Those are pretty good right and help with inflammation but Yeah, it's all about the that stuff so what do we pull from it? What were the big takeaways for you? I mean they always talk about well he was talking about that stack that he takes I what do you say it was like 68 years old I think he And I mean, he looked like it's stuck. Yeah, he looked like a study was pretty art. He was great mustache. He great stash. He was he was firing on all cylinders without a doubt. Like, and he, I mean, granted, he

probably has all the best stuff known to man because he has this like, oh, that's way with it. But I think ultimately, if we haven't touched on it enough times, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc. And then there was another carrier that he mentioned about zinc having to get into the cell In order to oh yeah, yeah, so to get zinc in because they were talking about ZMA zinc magnesium Aspirate Which is like a calcium I think right they're saying that they need some sort of carrier which is like I Think like a negative ion would make sense that can help pull it into the cell and that would be things like green tea Toomerec there you go That sort of stuff. So yeah drink green tea before you get a bed. Yeah, unless caffeine messes with you

So yeah, drink green tea before you get a bed. Yeah, and less caffeine messes with you. Absolutely, I mean, we always touch on it too. They may have mentioned exercise. They always talk about that too. So that just seems, I mean, throughout this, I've stayed focused on exercise and mental health and just making conscious effort to like make that a priority and life has been good.

So granted, that's just for me and I have my own thing I'm tucked away a little bit but at the same time I think anybody can have that thing go outside get some sunshine and fucking do some healthy shit and I think this will be okay. Yeah the vitamin D level thing is a concern of mine I mean it seems like everybody's low on it all the time no matter where you you are. And it's crazy to hear, because we're talking about the surfers, right? Even the surfers had low levels. That's one.

And it's like, how is that even possible? They're out in the sun. Right. But I guess we're just not good at having higher levels. Yeah, that's a big one. Do you take that, right? Well, suit, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm an anomaly,

because I'm literally outside two to three hours a day every day Just because that's what I do because I have a lot of free time So I'm doing stuff up basically homeless. Yeah, basically homeless with a home. So Do you not take vitamin D then or what? No, you know, I'm literally sitting in the sun doing the tan as we speak right now In my little side in the last door like just soaking up race so oh good yeah I get plenty that I get plenty of that I think that you get way more from the sun than any pill that you can take either so I don't know that for a fact but from what I've heard red that's the case it was interesting to hear about their work with like PTSD and the

soldiers and that stat where special operations guys have 30% higher chance of committing suicide and they're not really focusing on like their home-own levels. You know they're just like oh you're just depressed from the things you saw. So his medication. And you know, I mean, these guys would definitely up against some bureaucracy in the medical community. And it makes sense, you know, you want to be skeptical of like new ideas and unproven things. But these guys are getting some good numbers from what they're saying, like some really good results. Yeah, absolutely. And I absolutely and I wonder why I Wonder why there isn't more of a focus on look. Let's just do what works and

And if I mean the current way is not working that great for these guys obviously for like Soldiers and stuff. Yeah, because they're struggling. I'm sure so the fact that they don't prioritize That stuff like right. Let's check their hormones and let's see if these blasts and concussions and things have really thrown out the levels. Is there a way? Is there science for something like that? I don't want to say I guess there has to be because there's science for everything. I don't know if that's true but you think about those situations are so personal that every person like Joe was making references like sometimes that should

It'll happen to people and they doesn't affect them at all Yeah, but I mean I think that was part of the point the point is that you know like Jaco for example Yeah, he doesn't he seems to have dealt with that stuff But I don't know if he had a lot of blast trauma. I don't know if he was blown up in a hammer, or like obviously there was a lot of shooting around him, but I don't know if he was ever seriously injured with the kind of concussion blast

that they're saying throw you out of whack. For sure. You know, so their point is, it's not necessarily the things they saw though those are probably Really traumatic and horrible, right? But it's like when your hormones are completely thrown out of whack You know you start Struggling with depression. Yeah, and obviously you're gonna connect it to the events that cause that which are traumatic events absolutely

So getting these people kind of geared up again. I mean this guy that that came on was that the that was the Andrew Marguerite. He was the military guy. Yeah, I think he was like special forces. Right. And he was really struggling. Couldn't get out of bed. Like everything was fucking hard. You know, these are tough guys, really tough, resilient guys. This is no small matter when they just like all of a sudden can't do anything. Right.

I mean, brutal. Because they're strong and now look at him. He's right back, 100%. How much of that is enough? I'm not undercutting anybody that's in that situation. Obviously, we're talking about hormone levels and stuff, but how much of that is kind of mental toughness at some point because if you're not physically stopping like if you're not physically being stopped by your body then your

brain stopping you right from doing what you need to do so I don't know maybe I don't want to sound insensitive to that scenario but when they were talking about that it's like you can write your own narrative. I mean granted I'm not that I have not experienced the things he's experienced but it just seems like to keep going or to stay stagnated to options and if you're staying stagnant then... Well I know I think it's I think though that you're right motivation I don't I don't want to sound that sense being able to drive but I mean he's think about it he's already a special forces guy right so he's mentally way tough and than you and I will ever be. So this isn't just a simple question of like he just was being too lazy, he could get

out of bed. I think when these guys take this type of injury and then their hormone levels are destroyed, maybe they're not making testosterone because of an injury or like who knows what's going on inside. I think that the like you physically, even if you could get up and do the things, you still feel awful the whole time. Right. Like so awful, it's unbearable. Yeah. It's kind of what I was hearing. Yeah. So until you put those things in place because of the damage, I mean, it's a very unnatural thing to be hit by a blast.

That's right. That didn't happen hundreds of years ago. There were no blasts like that. Nobody was getting blown up and having to survive. I mean it calls as unbelievable concussion issue CTE. God knows what happens. That's a very valid point. Very valid. Yeah, but you know there's so many levels to this. Right. They're just making the point that you know with everyone it's good to know this

information. It's something that you people should look at and try and monitor and make sure that you know these levels are in a good place. And it's not just as simple as working out and taking good vitamins, but it's important to know that stuff, I guess. Take that right shit. Right. I agree. Yeah.

Tough. It was an emotional podcast. It was hard listening to what he said, especially when they said they went to England. And England didn't give a shit about anything they were saying. It kind of mocked them and went 100% back to therapy based. That was like the only place that it's kind of sad. That was kind of the only place that did that though, right? Not that that doesn't.

Not that that doesn't. Sure, but I just remember they kind of focused on that. And like everybody else kind of embraced the thought and the research. Yeah, they're getting they seem to be getting a lot of support Which is nice, right? That's really good. But yeah, England was not helping so come on England if you're there You know someone sort it out, right get on All right, let's move on to the filled Alright, let's move on to the filled... What was it, Dimas? I don't know why I struggle with that guy's name. I love this guy. Anyway, Marine Land Guy's been on multiple times for many, many years.

I love his fight. I love how passionate he is about it. I mean, he really doesn't have a choice because he can't get away from it. Yeah, now. But each time he's come on and then the big thing that Canada is like banned having all all cars and dolphin displays and I mean they're making some good work. Right. Some good things happen. But you end it. What Joe says I think is really valid. He said it forever too. Like it won't be long and we'll see this as slavery. Like these creatures are very smart for sure. Maybe emotionally more intelligent than us because of those parts of their brains

that are right. So big and developed. I mean, man, if that's true, how awful is it that we're just like stick them in these little pools. I mean I'm down to boycott zoos for rest of my life I don't need to go after hearing that like I'm okay with that. I'm okay with yeah, I mean I don't need to go there anymore I mean I'm an animal. I don't think I've ever been to a place where like animals like You know it mammals and the fish and world dancing around It's I don't think I've been doing aquarium right slippery. They don't have dolphins They act like they I mean they are supporting them and like feeding them

But that I mean that's what they do in people in prisons to now they talk about it. It's like this people in the live You know what I mean? Yeah, and they're rewarded for like making their little cackling dolphin sound and flapping around. Right. So they're just doing it to get food. Absolutely. Like they're probably not happy about any of that shit at all.

I wonder why they're just coming at this guy so hard, though. I mean, especially because he gets so much support and publicity from the Rogan podcast. Like, why don't they just turn around and go, you know what? We're sorry about this. We drop all the charges. You want, like, it's all good. You want to know it's interesting, and this is obviously a new way of thinking, but the fact that he was so negative towards them on the podcast and not that he needs to say

with all due respect or anything or allude to that. But it's like, man, you've tried this for what, eight years now or whatever, this fight. It's why Gwantz you just be like, all right, here's, here, somebody write them up a statement that's, that just provides marine land a chance that stays like, keep face and just try a different approach and say,

this is what I think should happen rather than fuck marine land. That you can find me at fuck marine land.com And like to some extent I'm like I understand man, but that hasn't worked thus far Might want to try a new approach. I mean from my perspective. I mean, that's just me on looking like I appreciate the fight I appreciate the gusto, but nobody's gonna react well to that kind of behavior like they're they're just not going to You know what I mean Yeah, but he fucking hates I get it. I get it. I I'm on a fan of my ruin his life right for sure for sure

but I mean I don't know it just seems like of something's not I mean look I get what you said it's not working I tried something else like yeah He's not got too far with it. It's really sad to hear that story. And it's fascinating. Every time he talks about the warrous that he's so connected to. And just that's when it really comes across like the real pain.

I think that's where the hate most of the hatred comes from. I get the fact that they've kept that thing from him and he just, it's like his kid. I mean, it seems like having his kid take, like he keeps saying that. It's like this is my child. Now, it almost sounds a bit silly. It's like, all right, dude, it's wars.

But that's just because I don't understand. I mean, I'm fairly connected to my dog. You know that? Like, I mean, I don't know anybody that's closer to their dog than myself. It was interesting here and in talk the way he talked he was like I'm his mother though and I'm like I get it man. I don't know. It's not that I don't I love animals I'm not gonna sell it short, but it did sound a little awkward at some points

Yeah, like how piss would you be if somebody just took you a murder? I was like you can't see it. I would and I'm gonna sue you. Yeah, that would It would be a tough go. I'd definitely be I understand the play He just got a little awkward from time to time, but much love to him Yeah, his is con I mean, I think like he said what did he call it like fill? fatigue right right he kept saying that like I think you know Probably a lot of his support has moved away because it's the same dialogue the same story and and it's like How much can they do or like do they want to work for it?

So it is fucking cool to Joe keeps him coming on and talking about it. Absolutely. You know, that kind of legislation has been like set in place to like ban or the captivity. And, right. You know, it's a big deal. Absolutely. I mean, maybe we'll get to a point where it's like that everywhere. And then, I don't know.

I mean, that's when you really see when this his podcast is like has a really positive impact on the world when he can do things like that. Wasn't it wasn't it also interesting talking about how in a lot of places there's like you some of those orics is being extinct and he's like, but in Texas, you can hunt them. Texas is like just a whole different like it's like it's own little fucking carnival over there. Right. Yeah. But it sounds cool. I thought what was it? The orics? That is that what they were talking about. We reference to the orics. Yeah. The orics. And then there was a couple.

Yeah. I think so. Couple of other animals that he made reference to that you can just hunt there. Well, he's talking to the nuances of hunting. And it's a tough conversation, especially with vegans. I got friends in England that are really supportive of animal rights and so on my. But yet, I like to hunt. So having that conversation is very difficult. And when you get into things like, look, these animals are in danger everywhere except in this one place.

And now you can hunt them, which kind of helps with their numbers. It's like you try and sell that to a V. That conversation's going no right. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I see it but I don't know it's like a dialogue you have to have but it's something you don't want to talk about absolutely yeah I don't yeah it's like every conversation in a relationship you're like man I need to talk about this but I totally don't want to

it's gonna be a fight I hope that that's not the narrative from now on I'm trying to change that up in my future relationships and my relationship now. Trying to... Good luck. Let me know how that goes. You're right. Yeah, it's early on, but it's good. Yep, you got to talk about it. Right, just have to find a really good way to do it, which is probably mostly just listening. Yeah. Just listen and add a little bit. I mean, maybe that'll help. Yeah, I think listening is probably a very good gateway to good communication. One thing that Joe said that's cool is because they were talking about the podcast and like,

I guess like the future of it. And if you notice, like, almost every guest this last week, or five of them, like all of them stop at a point and just talk about what Joe's podcast is, how it came about, how massive it is, how intense, right, you know, the, the reach. And, and I think it's because it's just undeniable now. Right. And Joe doesn't really have a lot to say except like Well, it's I appreciate the way I kind of stay out of its way but we listen to it so frequently, it's just like, I got it, we got it.

But, yeah, we got it. And maybe they can't help it. Maybe we have to do it if we were ever on as guests, you know, maybe just, it's just the way it is. It's probably just so overwhelming for the guests to come on, but what I like about it is Joe is like, still reiterates like what it is, how it became. And, and that he's only ever gonna talk to people that he wants to.

Yeah. And he's really starting to push, like I think he said that he wants like, want like a top UFO expert on. He said once a month. At least once. Right. Yeah. That's great.

I love that. I think he thinks that we're really close. I was about to say somebody coming on and being like, dude, straight up, we got a look. The more he talks about it, the more I'm like in the back of my head Like is it gonna be one of these days we just wake up like fucking And there's UFOs just chilling outside like independence that Like how hilarious would it be like all of all the news outlets. It's Joe Rogan finally

Brings me to work that makes sense right makes sense. I bet if you asked a handful of people, I mean, I don't know how far a stretch goes, if it's more than CBS or NBC or Fox or whatever, but I think you'd be hard pressed to say that his news outlet, more or less, isn't a lot more accurate than when he right or left bias. Do the stage. No doubt. You know, no doubt. Well, 2021, man, you know, it's going to be whether you like it or not. It's going to be another crazy year. I think. I mean, yeah, of course, we walked right into how soon as it started. It was like maximum lockdown for the whole world.

Right. What were your thoughts just to just to touch on recent events? What were your thoughts about to just to touch on recent events? Where were your thoughts about that Breaking into Congress deal. Oh Yeah, shit, dude, that was wild. I mean, it's like a we have a world country now. Right what happened? Yeah, I mean, I see that's the kind of shit when you see you know, you'd be watching it in like Brazil or South America And they're like oh, they've overrun the Capitol and you're like, go, I'm glad I don't live there.

It's like V for Vendetta, but it did seem very, very like calculated and like, I mean, not calculated. Those guys weren't smart, but the fact that all those things were put on the news, like taking selfies with cops and this, that and the other, it's like, dude, that's in the fucking... Like we said, I'm at the point now where I have no idea What to trust any which way possible like there's no way to trust anything Want to hang on to something that you think is real just the fact that is soon as those people were like walking up on the

Capitol that we couldn't I mean Even living in Bozeman if I called my one one right now and said there's an active shooter at my apartment complex, I'd imagine that there would be enough armed security within probably 15 minutes to take down a small militia. We're talking about the fucking load-ups. To believe that we couldn't, yeah, believe that we couldn't completely surround the Capitol with guards and keep everyone, I mean, I just don't understand how they were able to go in put their feet up on the desk, kick everything on the ground. Like how long were they just chilling out for? I have no idea. I mean, I have no idea. That's a...

I don't think that's a good idea. That's not do that. I don't think so either. Stay away from that. Get a better hobby. I love how after they arrested most of those people. Does Trump get a, like, a drunk in a piece of this? Say most, but... Well, he's not going to be president and like, they're not going to impeach him in nine days. No, I've heard that they would.

He might get a jail afterwards, but he's talking about like pardoning himself Which really should be the one thing that a president can't do you should be at a party? Literally no you can do her say at this point though. I'll ever be like oh, that's a surprise It's like oh that makes sense That makes sense me look yeah, it seems to make sense. Oh, and now there's aliens. Okay, cool So we just carry out not working and we can't go outside. Okay look yeah it seems to make sense. Oh and now there's aliens okay cool so we just carry on not working and we can't go outside okay. Let's on to the next point. Back to for. I mean uh at this point it's like Elon Musk is now the richest man in the world and every time he talks about

putting making a colony on Mars I'm'm like, yeah, probably time. Right, time to bounce. It's just to do that. And no curfew colony, I'm down. I'll go. I don't know. I'm being interesting. I just take my...

Anyway, good week of podcasts. You know, five is a lot. I'm surprised he did so many this week, but maybe he's just not super busy and has a lot of good guess We're trying to cover as many as we can each week. I don't necessarily pick like the Most interesting ones necessarily like the Rassalo one was really good for like motivation and like Orienting yourself as a person and doing the right thing. I mean, there was a lot of good takeaways, but I don't know I just think about which ones I want to talk about. So that's how we kind of pick those. But yeah Garrett thanks as always for joining and everyone

for listening and that we will be back this time next week. Peace and love take it easy.