Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 214 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Hamilton Morris Et al.

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

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All right. Good week of Rogan. I kind of amish mash. They had some MMA ones and others. We're going to focus on the Tilla Russell and Hamilton Morris I'm a huge fan of Hamilton so it was great to have him back on. So podcast 1614 Rogan and Tilla Russell. Interesting guy, Tilla Russell, right? What a life that he lives. Yeah, right? He's definitely doing things. Yeah, sure. I mean, just hearing how he kind of oriented himself from like early day reporter into like slowly getting to like documentary filmmaker and how he gets to just meet

these people and has the kind of financial backing to do it. Like someone will call him and be like, get to Costa Rica tomorrow at 10 and he's like, oh man, like what? What? How? I know. Well, he doesn't even ask what or how. He's like, I'll be there. Yeah, he's like, oh man, let's do this.

That's the that's the can do attitude right there. Well, I think I can't remember exactly the language they were using but the way he discussed just like I'm gonna Yeah, yes In short, but it's just like there's no it's there's when certain people see certain goals and have something in their head. Sometimes it's like I kind of ask God for that and meditate on that to give me some kind of fulfillment to the point where it's like. You can't see the you can't see the obstacles because they're not obstacles because they don't look at them that way. Just look at them as a little piece in the pie. of how you're gonna get to the spot where you wanna be. And there is nothing that's gonna stop you, kind of thought process, I think. And that's kind of what happens with these documentaries

that he makes, he just gets it in his head. But it's like an actor trying to fill a role, like that guy who loses Christian bail, who loses however much weight. Like, you're gonna do whatever it takes to get these stories. I mean, he flew to wherever to meet that guy, Tarzan. I've seen that operation, Odessa, before too. That's a pretty intense story. I don't know if to wherever to meet that guy, Tarzan. I see that operation Odessa before too. That's a pretty intense story. I don't know if you've ever seen that

one, but is it a documentary? I was looking for it. Yeah, but it's on Netflix. Operation Odessa, it's so it's so fitting that the dude's name is Tarzan because he straight up looks like Tarzan. And just the way they tell the stories is like he like this, the movie starts with Tarzan being interviewed is like some people he's like America. He's like you can be a movie star if you want to be a movie star. He's like you could be a gangster if you want to be a gangster. And he's like so I became a gangster. That's interesting choice. Yeah, right. Well, I mean it even goes but like you're saying like he didn't doesn't really let things get in the way, but you're still limited by your ability at that time, right?

So later in his career, he gets a phone call, he has the backing, he can just go and do whatever he wants. But even early on, when he wanted to get that interview with Gary Bucy, and he knew that Gary went to that dental office. So he told the lady, you know, I guess the secretary, look, when he's up, when Gary's here again, let me know or come up. So that at that time in his life was, that's all he could do, right?

He didn't have the ability to just get a phone call and fly somewhere, but he took advantage of what he had. And in time, he probably, it seemed like he just positioned himself slowly to way, he had the means to be able to explore in the way that he wanted to, which I thought was pretty dope. Yeah, I mean, all that sounds like finding Dandy until he says he went to that like Panamanian jail and had to run across the yard to meet that terrible plan I don't know like he got away with it, but a holy shit The thing is that he didn't really explain too much. I wish he had I mean that was an example of At time when he didn't really get any good information

He went all the way there paid the money the guy didn't tell him shit and he left and he had to wait till the guy escaped jail But I'm sure there were a lot of times that he Picked up laughs spend a lot of money got somewhere and didn't get shit. Yeah, you know That's probably part parcel with the whole deal. I was gonna say I guess you just got a fracture that in the business model at some point right? Yeah, no doubt. I mean, some stories in your stand ends. I mean, you just got accepted. Did you get a chance to watch his movie Silk Road? I didn't, but I did some research on it. I went and looked at it. I only got three out of five stars. Did you say it was pretty good? You know, I, and that

was another thing before I, before I looked at it is there was some real tough critics reviewing it Yeah, there was some people that were like this is bullshit the acting sucks like people came at this movie hard You know it wasn't full of like it could have been it could have been like a TV show Yeah, that's kind of like the the right love, you know It wasn't like huge actors. There was the one guy played the cop that's in a lot of things, but he always plays like, you know, a supporting role.

Right. I mean, I thought if it was a standalone story, you'd be like, that's a pretty dope story. But they, you can tell, since it was based on real life, that they probably have to skip a lot of shit in that movie. And just bunch of down real. Yeah, I mean, think about the process of like making, you know, an illegal Amazon online dark web level. I mean, there's a lot to that. And it would have taken a lot of time.

And, and, you know, but they just kind of went from one thing to the next real quick. And then also this cop in it, not too much of a spoiler. So still watch it if you want to. But he basically, he basically gets put in the cop is like a bit of a trouble cop. He's like aggressive, so they just stick him in the cyber security department with a bunch of way younger people. And he doesn't know shit, like he can barely turn his computer on. Yet somehow by the end of the movie,

he's like taken down this, you know, and computer, you know, dog web genius. Right. So it's just the pieces of like how you get from one place to the next didn't make too much sense. But interesting. I mean, I had to check it out.

That was my one hesitation just because I read the few reviews and I thought it was funny to say that because that's exactly what I did. And I was like, I don't know if I want to spend the next 90 to I know those reviews really probably are affecting this movie like Because it wasn't that bad at all. I wasn't interesting that I'll again that operational Desi the other one that he did was

Fairly entertaining I almost watched it for a second time But once I realized that already seen it does like I'm good, but it's definitely worth watching. I'll tell you that What do you think of the idea of that like Like a dark web place where you can buy anything? I was totally unaware of this. I mean, the way, not that the two podcasts kind of coincide, but the way that Hamilton was talking about drugs to I don't jump ahead, but it's like, if you have the perception on certain aspects of life

as far as like, I don't know, I don't want to say trivialize, but he was talking about how you put the stigma on the word drug, but drug could be used interchangeably with Instagram, Facebook, anything that compromises. He gave that example of music. Right, right, right. So it ain't, and if you start, and not to go back to the, I mean, to kind of correlate that to the dark web thing, it's like Us as humans is I think this has been the common theme throughout our fucking

Thought process or especially mine, and I think you kind of attribute the same thing the whole don't clear shit thought process kind of it It illuminates everything in life, and if you look at it that way, it's like as long as you're not hurting another person and you're committing a quote unquote victimless crime It's like I'm just deciding that that's a crime because I'm a nut but at the same time You're just another human being deciding that something that somebody else is doing wrong and 99% of the time You haven't even immerse yourself in that Activity to decide whether or not that's right or wrong. You just have a stigma based on it, you know what I mean? So when I think about the dark web, I don't think that there should be anything really illegal. I mean, not to be like complete hippie or just a liberal, but it's like I don't think that there should be any other human being,

the same sack of bones should be able to like dictate what you're doing with your life. And I guess that you want to have a taxation on it. I don't know if that was the situation. But if that was underlying to in the dark web situation, I don't know if they'd talk a whole lot about that. Like if there are pan taxes on it, that might be a pain in the time. Okay. So that might be an issue. But as far as getting things, I don't find that to be a raw, I think you should really get anything you want. At a time.

There should be like one island somewhere. It's not super expensive to go to. So like, mostly everyone can afford it. It's not like exclusive for super rich people. And you can just go there and they have like a CVS that's just totally open. Right, and told everyone, I mean, why are we trying to tell other people what they can and can't do with

their lives? Like I just don't, I mean, if the pandemic's been a reflection of that too, it's like the certain people just have these mentality is that they, what they know is brighter than what somebody else knows. And it's like, now we're all kind of going through the same journey at the same time. Maybe you have a few more scientists on your team, but you haven't been through what I've been through. And I'm saying that not personally, I'm saying that from everybody.

It's so it's like, you don't know who are you to tell? I guess it's just, it's just control. That's what that's what it comes down to. Try to do that. Like, let's ban it. Let's control it. Exactly. That's what it comes down to.

They're not in charge of whatever it is. Right. They don't allow it. But now all of a sudden,'re not in charge of whatever it is. Right. They don't allow it. But now all of a sudden you can go get ketamine from doctors, right? And you can get you get weed from other doctors and now the government's getting taxes on it. All of a sudden now it's okay. Right. Because your headache, exactly. All right. Okay. I see. I got it. I mean, it's kind of kind of fuck that he has to go to jail for absolutely forever. He had that 10 year plea deal. Why the hell he didn't take that?

I have no idea. I always say talks about that more. Maybe he thought that he was going to get less than 10, but at that point, you've got to just think all on right. 10 years. Like dude, he legend when he got out. I was going to say you got to have your lawyers in your ears being like all right You're never any better than this. I mean that was to not to say to his credit

But that was an unprecedented situation. So they were definitely setting the precedent with him. Oh, yeah They they nailed him and that and that's it. Yeah, he's had all his appeals Everything like he's so weird for setting up a platform. Like, you're like, yeah, he didn't kill anyone. I guess he said that he wanted to have somebody killed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounded like total entrapment from a super corrupt column, which is really fucked up.

Exactly. That there was some, there was some holes in that situation. I mean, it's weird to, it's weird to it's weird what they could what they could try. Who knows if who's just having like a fly by night conversation is like that I could fucking die and I wouldn't care. You know, who knows what the language was used, but you could definitely twist the chance. They hate it. They hate it. Right. Yeah. Exactly. What did you did you get a chance to watch the night's stalker documentary? I've watched pieces of it. I've watched Friends watching same same I've I watched pieces of it and not I

Those kind of things I just kind of That guy's terrifying. I was gonna say they tamper with my idea of humanity So it's like I try and stay away from my horror stuff personally, but I mean, it's not necessarily for it's just reality And I don't know it's it's yes terrifying is I, it's not necessarily for it's just reality. And I don't know. It's it's yes, terrifying is. I thought it was interesting that in it, like all those women are like so into the guy. And they were talking about that. That's not so.

Yeah, Joe brought up the very, I guess Whitney Cummings had that, that it's like an evolutionary attraction. I think that for the drinks, someone is hard to do. So if you show there a like affection to them, like this murderer is now on your side, he will murder for you potentially. And somehow that's like a safety issue. Somehow that makes sense to me. It kind of does, right? I mean, if you think that our impulses are like cavemen driven, because that's why we spent most of our existence,

then, you know, I mean, maybe women think that. Yeah, I mean, that feels safe. That probably has something to do. I don't know if it fits in the same file folder, the same category, but as far as like alpha males too, like that's why women usually go after alpha males majority of the time, at least for their first relationship. Because they're capable of killing people. Oh, I mean, not necessarily capable of killing people, but they act more on their own instincts, I think. It rises opposed to like, I don't know, they're not just

on instincts, I think it rises opposed to like, I don't know, they're not just... It's funny, I don't know, I think about that. I think a lot of women in this is just my own perception and my own history, but it's like women want to go after the alpha male like the first time or the second time, but after that they're like, alright, I might take a little bit of a weaker guy because he's not going to be as, he's not going to be. Yeah, he's going to hang out longer. Yeah, like he ain't too vicious. Right, right, right. I might have a little more pole with the guy who's not the alpha guy all the time.

So yeah, just have your kids with the alpha and then marry the beta. That's what he's gonna stay for. He's gonna stick around. I wonder how many people that's probably a lot more accurate than what we'd want to lead on It's probably true. I mean think about it. I mean bless their hearts everybody who's taking care of their people's kids But I don't know who knows everybody's got their own story

But I can think of a handful of people right now on my own mind that I'm like who that maybe that is the situation Yeah, someone's raising your kids I thought it it's a little scary when they said that there's like lots of active who that maybe that is the situation. Yeah, someone's raising your kids. I thought it was, it's a little scary when they said that there's like lots of active serial killers at this, like the, they were saying there's some FBI agent is like, yeah, there's like 30 active serial killers, right, kind of all the time in the US. I mean, that's almost one per state. How does it live in a big city?

Like, well, they're tracking them, you know, so they know that they're happening and there's cases that are unsolved. Yeah, but like they said, like, you wouldn't know if you just walked into, if you walked into a convenience store in the middle of Arkansas and killed somebody and you live in LA and just trouble them on bad to LA, nobody really know. Well, yeah, but it's serial, meaning that there's multiple murders that have similar kind of things like they line up because they're happening in the same area, kind of in the same way.

So they link it to the person, I guess people have patterns generally, but you know, saying that, yeah, there's probably lots that just do one-off or they don't have patents that line up so there's even more than that. But if you think about all the people you interact with, especially in a big city, like wouldn't it be crazy if there was, you know, I don't know, some VR goggles you put on and they it just identifies a little halo around people's heads like their head lights up red if they're that person And you're just like wow, I walked by three of these people today I gotta stop going to the mall I bet you would be surprised where they would show up. You're like what? A a meeting?

Well, that would make a little bit of sense, but yeah, I hear you. Yeah, I like how they ended with the talking about Steven Presfield again and that book, the War of Art and like how he failed so much, you know, and and tiller like brought that example like, yeah, that, you know, there's been a lot of failure and it's keeping going. Like, Steven wasn't really famous till his 40s. And he talks about that, like, get really good at what you're doing. And I just always love that message. Like, it's just a good book. Yeah, I've read that book. It's in four or five times. I know. It's so good, right? Well, he just talks about the music. I think about even in my own perspective,

it's like the professional just shows up. And I've used that in so many other aspects of my life, but as far as when it comes down to just doing my own life's work, it's like, you know, it's said down to do that, because it takes initiative and it takes discipline and it takes what a lot of people are relying on other people and their occupations

to provide for them as far as like a time to show up and a time to leave and he's like I knew every time to show up. It was 9 o'clock or whatever he said and that was every day. That's what time I showed up. So that's what what I did. Oh, definitely. All right, let's take quick break and let's jump into Hamilton. into Hamilton. This podcast is sponsored by Better Help and the Joe Rogan experience review listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com slash review. In 2021, mental health is finally a thing. So many people are struggling right now and aren't feeling like their normal selves,

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Hamilton was on and they got super baked. It was basically impossible to even do the podcast. I need to go back and listen to that one again. I was listening so long. Do you know how long ago that was? Because I don't, I feel like I may have remembered this guy, but it's been a while. I think it's really early on.

Like it might be in like the 300s. I have to look it up. But yeah, now he's back. It's Joe's, I think, sixth studio. So, yeah, I'm glad that this one is a temporary studio. I've never really cared for it. Like, when I watch the video, it's kind of the video of it is kind of distracting with how it looks. Right. Well, the fact that they've talked about it so much to I think that's probably a placebo effect. At least this makes you think about it now because I've always looking at it and judging it. I didn't really care, but I just wanted there to be this more story

behind it. But the fact that he's just like, it's just all random. Yeah. As soon as I saw it being made, I thought it looked weird. I's that's weird. That's gonna be distracting and yeah, I was hoping that it had more meaning to it seems like I had none Right, it's like well, it's just like this because it was like this. I'm like, oh, all right cool Don't worry. It's only the biggest podcast in the world Joe. Don't don't work too hard out I think the next one is gonna have a little more character to it and a little more of his touch on it. I imagine. He will probably make the next one that much better because we're already like, you know, kind of comparing it to the mass of what that is. Talking about a mess Hamilton talks about New York being a disaster. Oh, yeah. I heard I have friends that are remotely working. They're living here in Bozeman and different places and they've kind of fled New York and the stories are pretty horrific.

It's so indicative of how much the weather, I mean, not to not to undercut or display whatever he's saying. I completely agree with him, but I just think about the weather. I think a factor is such a factor because here in LA, things are what they are, but it does seem like now that the summer's coming around. Like if you go outside, people are out and about and it's not like grim and all these other things, you're gonna meet the idiots that are still yelling at you for whatever. But that said, it doesn't feel like super pandemicy anymore. In my perception. Super pandemicy, I love it. I mean, it feels like we're getting back to some normal C over here.

Yeah, and it's, you're right. It's probably going to help New York too. And everywhere once the someone comes, because this won't be as prolific. And, you know, people just need to calm down about the mask stuff like they give the example the beginning of that so Hamilton hadn't really left anywhere he flies on the plane people are like cheering people getting kicked off the plane for not wearing masks babies not wearing masks yet there's a point on the plane and this is like I flew the whole time during the pandemic,

pretty much, I traveled the time. And, you know, I followed the rules, like, where you mask whatever, but there was always that point on the plane, where like, there was a guy sat next to me one time who had a coffee and he just had his mask off the whole time, drinking his coffee. And that was fine because he's drinking a coffee.

And then everyone eats. So for 20 minutes, nobody's wearing any mat. I'm like, if this really is the danger that everybody, or many people have been saying it is, there would be no point where you, it's not like in the middle of a surgery, all the doctors just start playing volleyball and throwing, you know, having a food fight and they're like, it was only for 15 minutes. No, this is a sterile room. We don't do that for one second.

I mean, it's been so mismanaged the way that they've talked about it to. It's like, how Joe makes a reference to it as far as like, how could target still be open during this whole thing if this was such a fucking catastrophe and this that and the other I In the fact that Texas like I just read this meme the other day about like Texas people dying in front because of the weather and Other there was like that huge car crash and this that and the other thing but then and then like what what else can Texas take like as far as the governor opening the place up? And I'm just like, Oh my God, like it's just like people get stuck in those ruts where they just write clearly it's been a different time

for all of us. But hopefully you can just come back to a normal like a, like a logical state of mind. I don't know, do what's best for you at the end of the day, but I mean, you think about those first few weeks of the pandemic is like, did I touch a railing and then touch my mouth? Like, yeah, those washing my hands, like it was just like what and it was like they had me in the state of fear for like it couldn't have been more in 10 days to be honest because after that, there was a certain threshold where I was like, I'm going to keep working out and take care of myself and if shit happens, because after that, there was a certain threshold where I was like, I'm gonna keep working out and taking care of myself. And if shit happens, then it happens.

That's kind of just the way I shift in my mentality. It really did take you on a bit of a road. But initially, right, no idea like where you were supposed to fucking walk, touch, feel, like you had no idea, like everything was just like a possibility of death it felt like. So it was like of death. It felt like so. It was like, yeah, I don't know. I guess that they were in under the same like situation as we were.

So there's no way to really necessarily point fingers right out the gate, but it does feel obviously it's been very politicized. And I don't know. Yeah, the fact of the flying situation and go back to that, like, I'll never forget and I make reference to this lady over the loudspeaker goes, she goes, we're going to need you to wear your mask above your nose unless you're in between like those nibbles and sips. I need you to pull your your mask up in between the nibbles and sips on your drinks. And I was like, did you really just say nibbles and sips? That was in sips. That was an approved saying from the CD. Like where the fuck? Like what?

I don't know. I was like, nibbles and sips. Well, I mean, look, it's it's enough for people to move. You know, Joe moved. I moved. People are moving. Hamilton's moving a filly Philly He's gonna stop doing his show and go back to chemistry full-time I'm with I'm with Joe on this though. We can't afford to lose him. Right a chemistry lab He's too interesting and he's too important I agree. I think he makes us idiots Educated on this stuff and he describes it in the best way. I bet you Joe finds an angle to get him on a Spotify or find a way to make him stay relevant in that kind of atmosphere because he does.

Like after hearing that conversation, he needs to be more of him and for him to just be secluded and build labs somewhere. I don't think he's living up to as necessarily what he should be. I don't know. Yeah. Two things he they spoke about that I found really interesting is the xenon gas thing. Right. You know, how it's just like a pure element on the table of elements yet it has this like psychedelic kind of peaceful effect.

And like what an interesting, I mean, you can't even call it a drug. It's just an element It's not even a compound. It's just one element and it has this really interesting effect and I I'd love I definitely want to watch his His episode of his show that talks about that. I think that that's fantastic and then the Talk that they had on the toad five MEOEO, DMT, and how Joe was like, that's the scariest drug. Like, I found that pretty fascinating that he's like, yep, did that. Don't wanna do that again.

And even Hamilton was like, nope. Like, that one is too close to death. It's almost like too real. Mm. Yeah. That's interesting. Well, I've heard him, I've heard Joe describe it before like the event or like how it goes. Like it's all on the, how long is it left? Uh, wait, if you smoke it, I think they said it's like 10 minutes is like real short. But

the problem is I think when you're like in it, it does one of those disassociative events where you feel like it is lasting forever. Oh, I can tell you, I have a reference to that. I was thinking it sounded a lot like have you ever heard of Salvia before? Oh, yeah, I've heard that that's a really wacky. I've done that. I've done when you just said, when I heard you say that Joe said he'd never do that. We go to wrap up here quick, but tell us. Oh, that's so Oh, well, just I remember how that that was the exact same moment that I had

too. I was like anything that I knew to be real was just gone. Basically, the disassociating part like if I just held my hand in front of my face, like I didn't I couldn't even figure out what was going on kind of thing. Oh, you know, it's a little scary. Yeah, the only thing that I made reference to is because when I heard him say, I'd never do that again. I'm like, yeah, that's exactly how I felt after I came out of that. So. I'll never do that again.

Good on that one. Yeah, well, it's important to tell those stories, right, give people a chance to know. I think when you hear that from somebody like, yeah, don't need to do that again from both of those guys right that a pretty pro drug right it does make you think well what is the value of maybe I don't need to do this kind of one anyway right exactly anyway that wraps up the week like you said there were a couple of other ones so we didn't get to but that poor lady that

Immigrated here and had a really tough time. It was that that was pretty deep It was thick. It was a lot. If you're not in a great mood and you don't want to be depressed maybe skip that one Yeah, that's up to you. But as always thanks guys for listening email us Joe Rogan experience review a Gmail Follow us on Instagram and otherwise have a good week. Talk to you next week. Thanks again to stereo.com. Join the after party for the Jerry review every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9pm, Eastern Standard time as we go live. Stereo is the app for live social conversations and we want to talk to you directly.

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