Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 221 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Matty Matterson Et al.

Episode Date: May 7, 2021

This week we discuss Joe's podcast guests as always. Guest list: Reporter Josh Rogin, Chef Matty Matterson and free speech advocate Johnathan Zimmerman 5% of ALL SPONSORSHIP proceeds goes to Justin Wren and his Fight for the Forgotten charity!! This commitment is for now and forever. They will ALWAYS get money as long as we run ads so we appreciate your support too as you listeners are the reason we can do this. Thanks! Stay safe.. Enjoy folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail] Follow Garrett on Instagram here: www.instagram.com/gloveone

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Join as always by my buddy Garrett. What's up guys? How are you? You're on the you're using the mic on the ass right? We got a good response on that. That was a better response on that one. Nice. Yeah. It's probably easy to use right? Yeah. It's a solid little setup I'm happy that kind of works better even though we've had to do a little trial and error there But I'm glad that we found out this is better. Well, it happens It's not a problem

Quick interesting update. I got a message from Justin Ren this morning on Instagram just thanking us for and then we'll see you it to be. Legend. Legend. So thank you all for listening, right? Otherwise you wouldn't have any sponsors and we wouldn't have any money to give to this charity. So I appreciate it. Up this week we've got Josh Rogan, not Rogan, Rogan Rogan. and Maddie Matterson I Actually really like that guy down the end even though he was he was just so much energy to start with but I really Guided him just white kind of we listen to a little bit of the ending story there. That was kind of intense. I mean it's a lot more sense Yeah

Right, and then we're ending up with Jonathan Zimmerman who is a free speech guy super interesting gentle speaker well thought out brilliant all right so Josh Rogan reporter has a very strange Instagram ramen noodles and watches did you go down that rabbit hole I didn't take a look at it. I had a look at the page. It's quite funny. And what was interesting about it, and it's funny how stuff sticks in your head. It made me want to go get rhymes. It's pretty, pretty passionate about it. I didn't realize that that's, he's been a better player for a long time too. Yeah, and what an interesting road interesting road like started is like the Japanese

correspondent at the Pentagon, getting talk like becoming kind of like friends with Donald Rumsfeld. I thought that was really interesting. And then it opened up a lot of opportunities for him that he just kind of moved in all different directions and just took advantage of and that that's the really cool thing to hear when it comes to like building on your progress. You know, you don't always know where something is stopped, but if you like, hey, I kind of like this. Let's see where this can go. and you can just see how he like he yes you see how his group was a reporter to like he was he connected a lot of dots to like he made reference to Jamie Metzel again and like just how this all this kind of stuff started and every day just seems like it's starting to unfold not to like totally

comment on that but the way he kind of put it in I don't know he just talked about it he wasn't like one sided about it he kind of just was he they said that he was kind of, it was just weird how he was commenting how if you were one way you were a Trump lover and if you weren't, then you were a Trump hater and just making reference to those things that had everything to do with politics and the coronavirus, you know. Yeah, like how polarizing, soologies are like you believe just one individual thing. And then and then that makes you retrompa. Like if you're like, I hate masks. It's like, well, maybe you're super liberal in your hate masks because you just have a

breathing issue and you realize wearing them mouse solid is not even yet necessary. Yeah, like I said, those Venice courts reopen today, it's just interesting to know that that what's his name is getting, I think he's trying to get recalled or whatever news. Some now everything is just starting to open up and be completely back to normal. Like, yeah, what a surprise surprise surprise and the fact that we've all been like stooped this whole time like Feel like we called it out pretty early, but the fact that it's gone on this long and now it's like all unfolding

Just the fact that those basketball courts is open as just a god-sentile. I just told you that here in Venice those They've had like met me Metal barriers over the hoop so you can't play meanwhile. There's people playing racquetball and Metal barriers over the hoop so you can't play meanwhile there's people playing racquetball and Kick in the kick and soccer balls. I mean, it's just like what are we doing? But I just wanted to say thank you that that's back. I'm pretty stoked on there Yeah, I wonder how many Lives was saved by blocking up Zero all right, so Josh Josh Rogan how much Adderal do you think I was on?

Well, you kept blaming it on the coffee, but I was like, she's bro, like, slow down. But yeah, no, I think there was Matt Maddie Madison. There was blaming coffee either way. Yeah, but Josh, well, they say like doesn't Joe often say that the reporters and writers are like Adder old out of the line. I mean it kind of makes sense when they come on I'm always listening to be like I wonder how much Adder old this guy's thinking. I haven't thought of that but that makes a lot more sense that I can see that I like I like I enjoyed the story about that comedian that punched him in my face

I mean I he's he's a very opinionated person and I could imagine to some people that makes him quite punchable The the comedian obviously sounded like a complete dirt bag, but like I love that like he was holding this pain and frustration for so long and getting got to like throw it out on the podcast to millions and millions of people. I mean if that guy's career isn't completely squash now, it's gonna be fun. It's funny. Did you say that, but think about it like any publicity is good publicity these days. I wouldn't even know that. I don't even that guy wasn't till he made my phone so much Dan something or whatever and Joe was like Well wouldn't a bit because we wouldn't have met had that not that that not Occurt you know what I mean? So it's kind of interesting how things right unfold that way

So yeah, he like became infamous Really famous he said that he's the. They jump on to the lab release theory, right? Which I think is getting more traction. But it was interesting that they pointed out the same thing we were talking earlier about everything being politicized. Like, oh, so because Trump said that could be a thing early on, no one can believe in it or even look at it and that's kind of weird like so What the speech is like caveman kind of thinking what's terrifying?

We should 100% look at where it came from especially when they're saying that in the wet market like the first three people that got it didn't even go there It's like hold on like the first three people that got it didn't even go there. It's like, hold on. How did it work? Why is? Yeah, let's take a look at this. The truth is not like what is the objective anymore if we have, if we've learned the truth is not, that's the second byproduct that hopefully

at best. Otherwise, it's just like all propaganda. Like, that's all it is. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's charged, right? It seems very charged. And then when he talks about Fauci, and what was the gain of function research and how that's kind of linked to things that were happening in the lab, it seems pretty sketchy. Like, I don't know all the ins and outs of this, but when you start to hear that, you're like, okay, one or two things could be happening, right? Obviously you're going to bring in the person who's most expert at knowing these types of diseases. And then yeah, he probably would also

know a lot or be connected to things that do similar research as what the lab does. Seems like I think it's called right. So it doesn't need to be a conspiracy in that sense. But at the same time, you're like, how he wouldn't be saying, yeah, there's a good chance it came from lab. It, you know, because maybe that would close his lab style or something like that. Seems like a little bit of a conflict of interest now to manager. Something. Man, it all, it just, I don't know, it makes me suspicious.

Yeah. I don't know, but I liked, I liked the way this guy was putting it down. Like, it, it's interesting when you get those reporters that come in that aren't experts in the field of the thing that they're reporting, but in a sense there are experts at Investigative journalism like gathering information and they're like detectives and So they come out from a different angle and then it really starts to paint a picture of like what might actually be going on And we can never be sure, but it's probably the closest thing to ever get to know it seemed like he was like very You know, I just actual to like he would play, but

he would play both sides like devil's advocate on the magic mask. I mean, that was nice to listen to him by play. Like, well, if you're going to believe this, you don't necessarily have to believe this in regards to like, like you were saying, one way or another as far as a Trump. Right. Well, it gives you confidence in the fact that he's he's at least like tried to understand both sides of it before he makes his argument. That's all you can ask. That gives you a big comment. That's all you can really ask. That's all you can ask. Got a

reporter, I think I think that's the main goal as opposed to like reporting news that's one way or another based on what the narrative is of, I mean, especially of your network at this point, like you're seeing, and then you're going to say, you know, and I mean, like that's just coincides, and that's not how it should be. It should just be like, what's the news? Yeah. It definitely wasn't pro-China this podcast, or like what he was saying. I mean he was having to point out a lot of things and pressures and cover-ups and And then he also got into kind of like corporate pressure of China like putting it on Apple on the NBA, fighting them like and he makes a good point like when you think about it

You're like what are companies supposed to do if they were able to kick Nike out for just asking questions about like where the materials came from I mean that's gonna make other companies just shut up immediately Yeah, like that's where all our profits come from and it's what we're gonna have such It's it's interesting though because those companies do benefit from those things. So it's like you're trying to play like some superhero on one side or at the same time and say, no, will you take advantage of that slave labor? I mean, we all do. Let's just be honest. It's like, I don't know.

It's a slippery slope because we all probably have some products that I mean, one hundred years. We don't want to know. Probably remain. have some products that I mean one hundred percent. We don't want to know. Probably but main. Yeah, no, no. We're probably speaking on the right now. We're probably using them directly. Literally.

To make this podcast. I mean, the computers, the phones, everything. There's got to be, not everything was like economically and like personally sound when it comes to people doing work, I'm sure. I did think it was funny when he said that Trump listened directly to the Chinese president about growing virus and they were like, it's not a big deal, it's go away. And that's why Trump told us, I'm just like, please tell me that wasn't true. I mean, look at, look at, I just do not want to believe that. Look at Florida.

He's just making a phone call and going, yeah, we're buddies. No, no, no, it's cool. It's cool. I'm like, look, we have our own way of finding out information. Yeah, but the way he was talking about how far fetched it would have been for, I can't remember, he was saying that some, I can't remember the name of the animal it's some kind of weird animal he's like it would have had to travel from here to here without any kind of variant and this that the other and I was that seems like a really far fetched story if that's going to have to be

that I chop that up pretty good but that's what you know what I mean? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton? Pendleton?

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bats pretty tough. Then I'd be like, okay, yeah, there we go, came from bats. Yeah. Oh, the story of that college student was heartbreaking. That one that was like a student here, went to school, went home, and then logged online and immediately was like taking a Pro yeah to the Chinese government is not to imagine that happening to no joke over there that's a I mean that's such a weird like jungleist I don't know what the king of the jungle kind of thought process I don't know there's like certain people out of the

heads and they're like this is how it's going to be. Well, I mean, that's just an example of, you know, lack of freedom. Like, even when we get frustrated here, you know, which we should do, I think it's great. I think like the freeest types of countries should always be the ones in some way complaining the most about their freedoms because they don't want to lose any of it. Because that's the point of it you've got to keep pushing back because governments and anything companies whatever they try and take them away. That's a slippery slope. That's slippery. But then you just can't do anything.

So slippery slope nowadays given the mandates and whatnot as far as like mass stuff you want to like push back but you can't really push back cuz it's like if you push back that you don't care about people and you don't care It's like this whole narrative this this that's it the world just lost more freedoms than ever It doesn't matter how you look at it. You can put the word safety on it or whatever But when it comes to freedom doesn't always mean you've making the smartest choice It's like the freedom to choose to not wear your seatbelt Well, there's a law and it's saved lives and you're more likely to die if you don't want one But that is a freedom so and you have to look at this corona stuff is like yeah, that took that took away more freedom

It's from the world then is and even joke Ever been taken the process was like once you give these it's nice to see it coming back a little bit And the more and more as time progresses it seems like things are starting to unfold I don't like I said. I don't know how much that relates to like The guy getting recalled, but either way it's still happening So because I think once you start comparing the numbers to places that are open such as Texas Florida These other places that have been wide open and there's not that big of a discrepancy or even smaller. I think there have been reference to it. It's like, what kind of facts do you have here?

Like, what are we doing? So it seems like we're progressing a little bit. I don't know. Yeah, that coming back until, you know, the next time they try some sort of. You think that happened? Could that happen again? and new viruses, how the hell are we gonna deal with them? Is it like mask on during flu season now? Like I don't know. We're gonna find out. Yeah, I don't think that we should forget what it was though. Like and what happened. Like I think people need to pay attention to like, you know, how this went down. And we haven't felt the aftermath of it all. We know that we haven't got to the point where, you know, the businesses are going to be closing or the restaurants can't properly reopen.

Exactly. There's going to still be a big switch around. It's not like everyone was just waiting to reopen and can. Like, it's not going to work like that. Uh, yeah. It knows, man. It's going to be a while. It's's gonna be a while before things are normal. Alright, let's jump to Maddie Madison, the chef. This guy is a wild animal. Hilarious, lots of energy, almost a first distracting amount of energy.

But I think that he has a fan base and people love his shows. I think if I had known who he was because I started liking by the end, I would have forgiven him for all of that and just been like, oh, this other guy is, but it was a lot to deal with at first. I was like, what, I like paused it

and I was like, oh, we're just gonna give this another shot here. But I would just because I was like, I do, it's in the morning and I'm like, I was just gonna give this another shot here. But I would just because I was like, I do, it's in the morning and I'm like, trying to just have my coffee and then I was like, all right, this is way too much to interpret. But like you said, he grows on you. He actually had some pretty funny jokes too,

like throughout the podcast, just like a little, like a little bit of anything to say. He has a great personality for sure. He'd be a blast to work with. So yeah, it had a big drug problem. His now sober has been for a long time. It sounded like his drinking was really well was getting on a hand. The amount that he said that he was drinking I can only imagine. And like, and then it had a hot attack and his sleep. Yeah, it was fun. That's a big wake up call. Hopefully. I think somebody

said that part of the track. Yeah, you don't. Sometimes when you're a party on like that, they just look at like that's part of the part of the game. Even when he was saying that he like stood up and put his arms over his head like like angel wings and air in his lungs. I was like, you know, he had a, yeah. What did he say? Like, call for a jump up and down. He had a whole plan for like, you know, wait a minute. He deals with this. Yeah. Shake off his heart attack. That's funny. I've no, I've known a handful of chefs and I feel like they've all had, I mean, the ones that I've been like fairly close to I mean one of them actually and that he committed suicide years ago

But he like I don't want to remind him to be a him but he would do these like vendors like that too like It's a weird weird profession. I mean a lot of people have Have problems, but it's interesting that that chefs have a tendency to lean I don't want to say all of them, but I just the handful that I mean have had like wild wild adventures like that, like drug. Yeah, the wild people, the chefs I've known, definitely wild people. It just must go with the type of lifestyle, maybe the energy you need, maybe the intensity of the job, you know, I it's hard to know, but they're all super high energy, like intense in their own way. They got the story that he told about when he knew he was an addict, you know, because he was like hiding the drinking and drugs from his friends, like going to different places to do it. And then it would start to kind of make it violent. That's when I guess that's when he knew the party was over and that's an interesting

kind of epiphany. Yeah, you're hand. Well, I mean, I think he knew that that time was coming because he would always be like, I was the last guy up at the party all the time and it's like, you know, those guys that are just like, let's keep rolling. Let's keep rolling. As I've gotten over, I've tried to separate myself from those experience. And not often, I'll just leave it at that. But like, I know those, I know those guys. And I could probably be held accountable to be one of those guys from time to time. But you never feel good after that. You never feel good after the fact. And you know what I mean? It's like, it's cool to be like, I'm the party guy. And then it's like the next morning,

you're just like in complete regret. You're like, I think we've said this before. And no one ever does cocaine. And then the next morning, but like, man, really happy. I did cocaine last night. And it's like, let's like zero times never happen. So it's like, you never feel like a great. Well, it's kind of like a badge of honor, right? To be able to hold

your liquor and like party till the end of the party. And but at the same time, that comes with its own major problems. And it's the fact that, yeah, you will, you're never like black and out by tanning going home. At least you got some sleep. You're the guy that's like, dude, I was out to a four and then the sun came up and then I continued and now it's noon the next day on a Sunday and I'm back at it and you just like, whoa.

All right. Yeah, it's kind of like, I know you're pulling that off, but usually those guys crash hard too, but yeah. Hmm, nothing's like this. Yeah. Well, give her him for cleaning it up. I mean he did have every excuse in the world for not working out. That story He told the last at like five minutes about why he wasn't. Yeah, it was like just get to it was He's just like Don't kill bells in my barn. I'm called me barn this time the other is I just do it. I don't want to hear about it Just do it. I

I love that mentality. I've become so much more on that like I used I and I don't know what if it what it is but I like I Don't know it's just interesting. You have the gym frequently and you're like see people costing on their phones And I use I've kind of just become kind of anti-touraged that because I did it for so long, like, recording what I was doing. And now I'm just, I just fucking do it. You know what you know and you're on,

you know in your own head if you did it, you know how to prove it to anybody else, you'll walk around and know that you did it, you don't have to put it on anything, just feels better to know, I don't know. Yeah, and it's not to be dismissive, like life happens, right? It's happening, like it gets in the way it causes you to miss things. Like that's understandable. But if you if you keep selling yourself on that story, you're never going to get to it. And that's

probably like everything that you do. You're like, oh, I'll do this once I've got to this point. It's just like a hold on. These these things you got to do all the time You just got to be doing it. You got to remove it. It's uh Well, he did a bit of jujitsu It sounded like one class and then they talk some shit about Ikeedo which I felt was funny Some Steven Segal Ikeedo It did look good in those movies, but it does seem pretty ridiculous. No, I'm not Steven.

I, you're a legend. Undeced is great. When I think of Steven Segal, I think it might be under siege when he walks down that pool hall and grabs that shirt and throws it and puts a pool ball in the shirt and then like twist it up

and just starts beating the shit out of people. Have you seen that one? Is that ring a bell? I don't't know when I think it's even segold. That's like I remember the name of that movie But I just remember him walking down this pool and just being his badass with his ponytail And he just grabs a cue ball and puts Puts in like a little in a towel and like twisted up and just starts beating people with the cue ball in the towel. It's pretty intense. I don't know It's a dog man. I mean if you you're in a pool, I would, I would grab a pool stick. No, I think I think that would maybe be more useful, but if you're really good with the sock and the balls,

it was pretty, my fear would be I'd start swinging them around in the balls with a guy out of the end, like the sock was at a hole in it, and then you just left with a sock and you're in trouble. That's it. What about his? I did not realize Joe had three black belts. I knew he had GJ Tsuen Taikwondo, but I didn't know there was a difference between no G. Black belt for GJ Tsuen and G. Black belt. Just what any brown developed.

Is that correct? for GG2 and GG, just what any browser developed. Is that correct? Well, there was always no GG, but he specializes in that. And a 10th planet, they only do no GG. Maybe at the higher levels, you know, maybe if you're... I don't think they really differentiate at the lower levels. Like I'm pretty sure I could just be considered still a blue bow if I go to no G, but maybe once you get to the higher levels there's some

nuances that are, you know, significantly different. I don't know. I'm not too sure, but I'd never heard of that. So three black belts is about as legit as I guess. That's be fast. Kind of showing off. That's like at least 15 years of work probably wouldn't you say oh Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. Well, he chose me doing it forever like 35 years of training That's gonna get you pretty good to something. Did you hear that story? I'm sure you did but whenever they bought that pound of cocaine That story was the same What did they say it took a two weeks?

I think he said a total of like five days. I thought I'm just driving but like the guy got pulled over and is No, no, but once they got a, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we went to it on two weeks. Yeah, they had this big plan to sell it and become rich drug dealers. And then all of a sudden just did it all in two weeks. I was gone. And they had to beg is what the back has so funny is chefs call the men. He's like, what do you do? And he's like, I, we bought a pound of cocaine and did it all for the past two weeks. That's why I've been a

class. I was gonna say that's probably the only thing you could have said in that scenario because we probably looked like dog shit too. I imagine. Oh, yeah, and then they let him back in which is unheard of and then he quits again. I do it to go join a heavy metal rock band tour. And none of it seemed to matter because he's now a famous chef. I think that he's living that. What are you supposed to learn from him? No, I think he was talking about living that punk lifestyle the whole time.

So it seems pretty fitting for him to be honest. I think that was what it was supposed to be. It does make sense, yeah. That guy, he's probably punk first, to chef seconds. Yeah. I mean, it was, I mean, I was going to make reference to that because it's interesting that he was Mormon too. And it's like, we were talking about how wack you religion was. I was thinking that he mentioned that story about how somebody,

I think it's sister or something had a child at a wedlock so that I came over to like server papers. I'm just thinking to myself What is religion at that point like I'm just like there's other humans coming to tell you that you've disobeyed God on some friggin Religion that you know is made up and you're doing that. I'm like what in God's name Are you even like I mean no pun intended, but what are you thinking I think that's just like so dumb? Yeah Are you even like I mean no pun intended, but what are you thinking? I think that's just like so dumb Yeah It's a wild one with it in the John Zimmer podcast. They covered some stuff about right and how they well that the first they said they're very nice and

relatively inclusive They like Jewish people didn't he say that the first Jewish governor was elected? Yeah, that's interesting. He also made a record. I thought that was interesting, how he said, I can't remember why he said that they wouldn't have gone to Utah. And it's just interesting that they did, because it's just like dead lake there.

And I was like, oh yeah, that's right. Utah is not that like desirable. I don't know. I mean, Park City is nice. Well, they would like's right Utah's not that like desirable. I don't know. I mean park city is nice Well, they would like being run out run across the country Yeah, and they just gave up a Utah they were like as far enough they probably die here Right, it's not easy to live and they just settle down and did their thing

Go home with it John Zimmer, that guy wasn't stud. Like, he was easy to listen to. Yeah, really. Free speech guy, super liberal. And it is interesting what he said that free speech is almost considered like a conservative value now, because of the cancel culture stuff. And it just doesn't make sense.

I mean, growing up, I always just felt that free speech really came from the last. That was the news. There was a democratic... Yeah, for sure. That's definitely switched, but it's important. His book is free speech and why you should give it down. I'd like to read that. I think they would just be important to know. Like, have like your real, your own concise argument for why it's valid moment.

You know, they talk about the social media and like that kind of censorship. Deep. And Joe mentioned that, yeah, they're all the de-platforming and Joe mentioned the Jack Dorsey, the guy who created Twitter, really thinks that it should be open and people should say whatever they want, but I guess because the company is so big now, he doesn't make all the rules there. Yeah, that's an interesting thing to want to silence people. But Joe did make a good reference.

It's certain things, though. I think they were making reference to like hate porn or something like that and it was like that's an You know what I mean? That's a good that's a good dichotomy to see like what what you would think about as far as what should be What should be censored and what shouldn't be but that it's like that? So I'm almost seems like I don't know I don't know where you draw the line that seems like it'd just be a consensus because you could certainly have, you could certainly make the argument on the other side that you should be able to do it all.

I don't really know where, I don't really know how the line should be drawn. I think a lot of it just comes down to educating the next generation, right? So like they say, you know, take the flat earth as for example, and like they wanted to kind of, I guess remove some of those videos offline because, or online because it's a nonsense theory and a lot of people are believing it and blah, blah, blah. But it's like, look, if you're an adult

and you wanna believe that, it's okay. But when kids are young and they're learning and They're starting off. It's important to get them The most back she can and I and maybe that's where that porn thing came into it's like look if you're an adult and you like watching Some really crazy shit It's up to you like you're an adult and that's where you're at, but if kids are learning You know they're up to you like you're an adult and that's where you're at, but if kids are learning, you know They're learning to decide like what sex is and sexuality and they're watching that is their education That's what you can watch

Be you're gonna play some headings and stuff on YouTube I never thought of that but I remember Joe making reference to that like there's stuff that's on YouTube like that like why is that? Something that somebody needs to see I don't know. I guess I'm just drawn. Oh, he's that really on YouTube I was you just I might be saying that but I think that you can probably you can probably find anything you're looking for is what I'm saying But there's certain there's oh, yeah I'm gonna be like we can't search for that But you can search for that

What else if you're doing research on the subject and who I mean? I don't know there's a variety of things That's a good point up. Yeah trying to understand what it is I You know in a way they should they should air on the side of caution with any type of censorship for sure and then there probably is some areas that they need to watch out for. But, you know, just massively controlling speech

is not gonna do it. Like that, that's not gonna get you there. I like that they said that one guy said that your retention is way better when you're reading in paper rather than on those Kindle machines I never heard that before I'd never really liked those Kindles and I know they I read a lot So it would be like way cheaper if I got into them because I could just download books and and get it But you know, I don't know. I guess I'm more old school

I like just turning the pages and then if the book is good I like to give the book to somebody So there's like that part of it, but It kind of makes sense that your attention would be definitely I never really thought I was like the vast majority of books I was I listened to at this point like I have a handful of books in my closet that I've read a handful of times, but I to my closet that I've read a handful of times, but I think that there's a lot that I would agree with in that statement because anytime I read a book, like cover to cover, I definitely like, I can reference it much easier and I feel like I get the material much more engrained

in my head as opposed to reading it on anything. Maybe that's, I mean, I don't really retain a whole lot on the candle either. I don't say retain a whole lot on the kind of the live there I don't say not retain. How is your retention with the with the audio pretty good? I mean, I have like a library in there too that I just touch on different stuff And I can just kind of draw from that that worked thus far, but I'd say pretty good like I can still reference the books if I listen to it I'm if I listen to him again

I usually listen to him a couple of times because I don't I'm kind of Phase out and do different things, but I try and stay up with it But yeah, I'd say that the best way to retain is by the page for me as well Yeah, that's interesting. I think it's probably a combination right of all it's like get try and get the information And especially can it's too bad You can't just sleep and like play audio books. That would be great in it If you could just wake up and then you knew the whole story Imagine how productive you can make yourself that would be amazing

Have you noticed and I know you've been getting it anymore now Have you noticed that I've just been doing different like breathing techniques before I go to bed now and just trying different things out and I'm definitely trying to separate from my phone before I go to bed now and just trying different things out and I'm definitely trying to separate from my phone before I go to bed, but it's it's been like a game changer, I think Is that helping much better much better like I don't get it all I but uh Just trying to meditate. I have yeah, that's pretty good It's weird to stretch your eyes and try and count down from a thousand while you're focusing on your breathing and I've been sleeped by before I get to like 990 every time

Grant oh that's not working 910 hour days and so bit tired, but at the same time It's good Right that'll do it for sure The one thing that that John brought up that was something I never really thought about is he goes, don't think of yourself in terms of good and bad at anything that you do because it like changes the way that you do it. Just do the task. Right. Right.

Especially, I guess, if you get anxiety, like if you're a kid in school and you're not good at math, like to go into the class and think I'm not good at this, you know, or you get someone that thinks they're good and then all of a sudden they're up against the hurdle and they're having a difficult time and then now they're like beating themselves up because they're like, I should be good at this. Like, what the hell? Instead of just learning whatever the day is. Like, I think about that all the time at Jiu-Jitsu. Like, you never really feel good at Jiu-Jitsu. But I don't feel bad at it.

I don't really think about it. I just go in and do whatever. Task at hand. We're doing that day. Yeah, and that one kind of brings it out because it's so much more intense than most tasks that you learn. You really don't have a choice.

Like you just got to be there to do it. You're not going to get it right away. And even if you start to, you know, as soon as you go into rolling, chances are you won't be able to pull it off because everyone else just learned the same thing and they know you're going to do it. Yeah. The humbles you can't. Good point. It's a really good point on that

the Joe I think talked about not knowing his dad more in this podcast than any other podcast said yeah it was interesting it seemed like he was kind of interviewing Joe on some stuff a little bit hmm yeah I guess he just wanted to know him a bit better, but it's like It you kind of heard in his voice like how it's Yeah, I like it's tough, but I think that he is handled the best way possible I think that he said that martial arts help kind of Exciting like channel that energy, you know, he's just accepted it It's interesting. Yeah, I thought it was interesting that he doesn't want to know him. Like he doesn't hate him. But he's like, I don't need to know him.

And obviously he hasn't reached out, which is probably a good thing, because that would be super annoying. Now that he's so famous. And he has like his own family. Like Joe has like brothers and sisters. He doesn't even know. I have that. I have two sisters and two brothers. I've never met with my, they're on my dad's family. Yeah, they live like four miles away from me. I never met them when I lived in England. It's kind of crazy to think of. I probably ran into them, you know, a few times. Four miles away, I'm sure you did at some point.

Yeah, that's a lot of fun. But it's strange. I guess I just don't know. I think he said the reason that it was easy for him to just not have to desire to reach out in a lot of ways and was because his dad was just like, he knows what it's like to be a father now and he could never imagine doing that to his kid. So he's like, I don't need to like associate. But at the same time, you think about where people come from and times in their life and not to justify them. Maybe the dude was just young and was scared and bailed. It's like you're trying to hold

it. He knows. You just paint these pictures in your head of how people are supposed to act or you think. But I always think about that. Where am I? But there still is that though, man. When you've had a kid which Joe has, he looks at them like every day and he's like, yeah, bad things can happen. I could get stressed, but they are my priority. He can't even imagine understanding a situation where you wouldn't want to pay attention to that child. And that's rough. I'm when it was you. And then he said, you know, he sits around thinking, like, one day he's going to call me,

but he never fucking thought that. I think he thought that. It's probably best that he gave up on. Yeah, that's what he's like, let that go, because that's the rough one to try and rely on other people sometimes. Yeah, I mean, losing his dad really fucked with him for sure. And then he talks about the angry young man, right? You know, it's a thing difficult. Yeah, I mean, my prick. Yeah, I don't know.

It was interesting. Like he doesn't like to open up like that often. But I like that when he was asked. He didn't know the question. You know, he went into it as much as he needed to and then it kind of, you know, moved beyond that. They get into religion kind of at the end, which I mean, Joe opened up with Jordan Peterson talking about, you know, whether you believe there's a God or not, if you live like there is one, you'll live a better life. What do you think of that? There's something to it. I'd say, well, if I could remember, it's fun.

I mean, Jordan Peterson has said that, but if I could remember anything when I was going to church as a kid and like sitting in the big church rather than like the little kids class, I remember like verbatim, like serving guy saying that, I mean this is like a pretty hard core Christian church. I mean they weren't like doing anything bad but it was, it was definitely a Christian church and he goes, he says that statement. Like just blanket statement, nobody like looked at him silly but it's just like, that makes the most sense. Like that makes the most sense. Any religion of anything you want to say if you live like something there's an importance to it and you live like there is something out there you're gonna live a better life like there's just inevitable

yeah it kind of creates a bit of accountability because people can't get wild like I didn't grow up with any religion and then I live thousands of miles away from my family where I live in England and it's like I mean the things I did it would just I mean you know I just what I wanted yeah and it wasn't like I was a bad person there was breaking the law the time and doing a bunch of fucked-up shit but at no point was I thinking oh like I could do something, I've been messed up and think, well, I'll just not do that next time. But there's no accountability for me.

I seem to have got away with it. I still think you're human nature and your intuition tells you it's right and wrong, though. But I at the same time I hear what you're saying, I think that there's a certain value that if you believe that there's something else out there that you're saying. I think that there's a certain value that, if you believe that there's something else out there that I don't know, man, there's the coincidence idea. Like, it just, that seems so blase for me.

I don't want to believe everything's a coincidence and I'm not like the woo-woo, but at the same time, I believe that there's a certain impact on how you treat people and how you view the world and how you approach it and how you view the world and how you approach it. And you can impact others. Oh, yeah. There's definitely something like, like, yeah, there is.

You can't just be a trickle of time. Even if you're really clever at it and you think you can get away with it, like, you're gonna hate yourself. You know what you're doing. You know when you beat it. It doesn't feel good. No, you can probably get away with it for a while. Nossus is due, but then ever really happy people,

even though they pretend they are. It's kind of close to that. They end up with like the importance of free speech and making it known that, you know, we look at these historical characters, you know, like Martin Luther King and that girl in the high school, the water band, and these different things.

And yeah, and they're seen as like heroes, yet today, the same sorts of people that would support them are trying to shut everyone else up. And it is interesting that, I mean, even Jon, a fan recognize that their intentions are good. Like I don't disagree with that either. I think all the cancel coach intention is like pretty good. It just gets wild or falls into the wrong hands and then people use it as power. And it's like, yeah, it would be great for us all to get along better.

But at the same time, you know, it is cool that people can run different ideas and not get a reason for it. Even if they're like you said to, like you said to, it's like the more more emphasis you put on certain words and the more like derogatory you make certain terms, the more power you give them. So it's like you're you're losing the power by doing that at the same time, you know So yeah, yeah, that was interesting that would be interesting like take all the woods the really offend people And like everyone starts using them What they talk about that with queer study man

He's like he used to be such a bad word to say queer now. It's like you have a queer study Departments at colleges and stuff. It's like embraced, you know? Yeah. In England, like way back in the day, like in like the 50s, I think, and before, queer, the original word just meant odd. He had nothing to do with homosexuals. People would even say, oh, I feel queer.

Like I don't feel well. And then they, I guess they added it to like homosexuals later to kind of point out that that's odd. And then then it got stigmatized. So it's like that word is changed. That makes sense. Joe, Joe said, yeah, I don't know if they used it like that in the US, because they didn't make reference to it in the podcast. So maybe they didn't use it like that. I always remember we used to play this game as kids called smear the queer.

And it was just like you throw the ball and then you try and run around with the ball and whoever had the ball was get trying to get tackled. I don't know if that was an interest. Yeah, phrasing for a game, but maybe that was just an error. Well, yeah, we had to mess up games in the 80s to show. For sure. Probably best we don't have those anymore. All right, well, that's the week. Pretty, pretty diverse crowd, a lot of energy and then kind of chilled out there at the end.

But I liked it. I mean, there was a lot of good stories and a lot of good information this week. I agree. and you