Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 227 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Josh Dubin Et al.

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

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Garrett, how are you doing, buddy? Welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Thanks for your patience with the ads. Garrett, how are you doing, buddy? Excellent, excellent, happy Tuesday, happy Tuesday out there. Hmm, what a week of podcasts. We have the 1,666 episode, which we're gonna touch on. That shit for those that haven't listened to it yet is Definitely worth a listen. It's wild. Not really much to report on it other than just hilarious Sit back Smoky J relax and enjoy that one for sure, but it was it was an interesting week. There was some Some emotions Joe was crying

Some some intense bits bits it was like a is like a rehab week almost starting with Edward slingylin yep talking about alcohol right, somebody that understands me. I knew this would resonate with you. Let's start the intervention for Garrett now. No, I mean, it was kind of reassuring. I mean, not reassuring, but it was nice to hear somebody say, because I've mentioned to that before. It's not like I will be the first to admit that I engage in alcohol frequently

and it's probably too often if I'm being completely honest with myself, but it's never as far from my perspective, it's never because I'm just trying to seek out like escape. I'm really not trying to escape anything. I love the camaraderie. I love and I ingrained and I push it hard. Let's not be, but I'm not trying to light anybody, but at the same time, like the times that I have with my guys and with my girl that I'm drinking, it just seems like I get a little bit closer. And I heard somebody say something about, I don't know if I wrote a joke or something, but alcohol, like almost hugs the soul a little bit.

Like I've always thought of that. And I felt like he kind of touched on that and made reference to that, that in a lot of situations, alcohol is a way to bring people together, and it's a way to like, I don't know, form community and deeper relationships if you've done correctly and not to excess, you know. He was saying that, so he said that alcohol turns down your prefrontal cortex, which allows you to relax. Right.

And then he was mentioning that, in like post conference situations where everyone kind of goes to the bar and they stop mingling and networking and things that it actually is like a really good addition because people let their guard down, they kind of get a bit closer, they kind of, you know, they're relaxing and just having some fun and, and connecting in that way. And I, and that's probably a big part of why people do it anyway, because, um, you know, for most people who work right away, it's not like smoking weed.

Like sometimes you got to practice that. You get a bit nervous, you know, doing that and being in public can be a lot for people, but you add a couple of drinks to mostly anyone and that anxiety kind of goes away. Yeah, definitely. Right. I found it interesting too on another book that I can't, I can't remember exactly what it was about,

but it was about addiction, I think, more or less. remember that book that was made different Joe had the guy on, but he made reference to alcohol and he said that you know that it's interesting. The adjectives that they use whenever you get drunk, you get smashed, you get hammered, all these things, and it's all talking about the ego. Like whenever you're drinking, that's what happens is you let go of the ego a lot of the time I know that's that's what happens in psychedelics a lot of the time too But when that's what he was like you're smashing the ego like people to say I got smashed last night It's like oh you let your guard down and you were vulnerable kind of That's interesting Right I mean I don't ever see things like I never really thought about that I guess Yeah, I didn't think about it up until until I heard him say that but it's true. I mean it also

makes certain people like irrational and other ways too but that's definitely a byproduct is sometimes you do see too much of some people. Right. Right. You get some people that are really quite socially awkward and they have a few drinks and they're just a little bit too relaxed. You're like, okay, but we need to turn that down a little bit more awkward. The awkward even comes out more a little bit sometimes. Yeah, just outrageous things that they say. You're like, okay, that's quite enough of that. So they've been having that.

They've been having that. Pent up for a while, the two drinks just let it unfold. Yeah, we both know a for a while, the two drinks just let it unfold. Yeah, we both know a couple of fellas like that. Right. That I didn't realize that for most of the history, alcohol was like two or three percent. That's like a strong kombucha. Right.

And now we go out and, and you know, you just maybe have a few shots and then a couple of beers and then I mean, I'll think about it, even with dinner, like you have some wine, like wine can be strong. Like we're drinking a much more concentrated amount of booze now. Yeah, yeah, he was talking about how easy it is to have the stills liquor on just tapier house all the time, when in reality and then in the past it used to be more of like a ritualistic like

You toast to something so everybody puts their glass down and then drinks at the same time kind of thing It's like a community kind of thing. So I Know he made mention to white covid a lot of people drinking a lot And I could probably make reference to that like I was drinking a little bit more than I usually do that's for sure But what do you do? Yeah, I sometimes wonder that when you see somebody having a really dope bar at their house, and I always used to look at it like, oh, that is sweet, they got everything,

especially some people kind of bowling out of control, they got like a tap at their house, all set up. But then when you take a step back, you're like, whoa, how much do you drink? Yeah, well a lot of the people that I mean that's true, but a lot of people that have those are really good at Doing it and in small doses. I think because they allow themselves to have that. I don't know I guess you go either way I don't know this one Raging alcoholics of the true but the people that I know

The people that I know that have really nice bars tend to be very successful people too. So it's not like they're making do it in small doses, but I see what you're saying. Yeah, maybe you know they they often have dope pads to go with it. So some things are going well for them, but it's a slippery slope, man. I don't know how well I do if I I could just pull like tap it straight into myself. Yeah, it's having that on deck all the time, make it a bit too easy sometimes. Yeah, I get I just get too bored around the house. I'll be like, I always want to one of those fancy whiskey deals, you know, like in your office, Right. Just just like, oh, I have a whiskey midday. I'm like, I think I'd have that special like in club like cap on it.

So it only pours out every hour and a half. Right. Keep it. See that. You see that in the movies and stuff and stuff. It's like, I was just sipping whiskey at 11 in the morning. Oh, yeah. It's like in a 50s.

Right. There's a one. You tell me about you told me that the Russian dudes in that. I never forgot that story about the sauna about those dudes drink in vodka and like eating meat in the sauna, right? Oh, well, we weren't eating meat in the sauna. There was like giant steaks that they cooked upstairs, but yeah, we were straight up just slamming shots of vodka in a sauna. Do you even feel it? Or do you just sweat it right out?

Well, part of getting drunk, like the feeling that you feel, is part of it is the process of dehydration. So the faster you dehydrate, the more drunk you feel. So when you get, when you're in a really, really hot place and you're drinking, if you're sweating a lot, you'll feel really, you'll feel more drunk quicker and then it kind of won't, I don't know if it's that it doesn't last as long or I'm not sure, but you just, yeah, it hits you hard and you could feel it in that I mean we were getting smashed this was a long time ago and it was a fun experience but I don't know how healthy that is for you you probably should not be drinking shots of volcano sauna I don't know it sounds like some traditional

Russian thing that they've been doing for years I don't know I'm not necessarily that it's good for you but well Well, these guys seem to healthy. They roll the guys. They, they, they've just like how they roll. And it was fun to be a part of it. It was definitely an interesting experience. Like they had, this was like that ritual, you know? They had a whole whole thing down and they,

and they, they just be like, this is what we do now. And I was like, no, I don't think I have any. And they would just look to me like, no, you do this. Oh my God. I don't know. I guess I'm doing that. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm doing that.

I wasn't super opposed to it. Anyway, I was just trying to gauge the crowd. You know what I mean? You don't want to be the guy that runs in there. And it's like, yeah, let's slam vodka. No, but once it was happening, it's a good point. Well, I think that's part of the point. It's like alcohol has played a huge part

in culture and society and ritual. And I mean, it even does today. And like now it just seems like, oh, you just go out to the bars in the weekend and drink for it. Maybe if you take a step back, it's different. I mean, when you toast, you're always toasting with alcohol, unless you don't drink and you have to be that one weirdo that has like a lacroy. It doesn't seem the same when you toast with a glass of water, but it is interesting how some people can't have any alcohol.

After they've gone through rehab and stuff, my brother and I just came from a memorial where I was talking about my cousin. He was the dude that, when my brother was off the booze for a long time, my brother was like, I'm going to get you a comp butch on me. He's like, I can't have it. He's like, why? He's got alcohol in it. It's got 0.5%.

But some people just go off the deep end. Like that one that's like 19,000 more. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought a kombucha would take you there. Maybe they're being extra careful, but it is important to know your limits. I mean, if you've had really bad experiences with alcohol and got kind of in that trap where you couldn't get out of it and couldn't sober up. I mean, I feel for those people, it's real. I've seen plenty of alcoholics in my life that have

really struggled. So I'm not surprised that people, I'm not the guy that says, hey, quit for a bit until you master it and then, you know, maybe ease a bit in. I mean, it's just very dangerous for some people. Right, right. It's like, you and I have done the sober up to. But I mean, for everyone, I think it's a good idea, occasionally. I mean, if I'm being honest, I kind of fit into that category.

It's like, at the same time, I'm not the guy who likes to just go have a beer. You know what I mean? I just want to have any drinks. Otherwise, I'm going to have a few. You know, yeah, yeah, you're not, you're not the casual three or four drink. No, I'm not like you did it one time though. I remember we went to Jameson's in Santa Monica and you, you drank, uh, like,

there was a reasonable amount. It was the only time I've ever seen you do it. It was impressive. It was like 11, 30 in the morning. That's not giving me too much. That's amount. It was the only time I've ever seen you do it. It was impressive It was like 11 30 in the morning. That's not giving me too much That's true. It was early It was early, but even then I was still surprised. I was like oh, he's gonna go off the deep head hold on Well, we got to reel it in every now and again Mmm

Well, let's jump over to Josh Dubin the Innocence project. This kind of fits in in a sense because it covers drug dealers and the struggles they go through. Josh is an interesting dude. I mean, having that background in the fight game, being connected to all the fighters, it's a lot of how the podcast, I kind of thought that's how the podcast was going to go. Me too. I was like, I almost lost sight of the fact that he was, I thought I knew he was in the innocence project, but there's so much fight talk. I was like, maybe I missed something there. And then he brought that up. And I was like, oh, this guy's just

the multifaceted champion that I knew he was, but they were just not fighting. Yeah. Yeah. The thing with that podcast too is because I was driving, are you at the battle through like 10 ads? Joe had like 10 ads on there. Look, I'm not this and anyone, all him from making money and we added ads. I mean, I, but, but usually I'll try and like skip past them. And it was just impossible to do it.

It was like, it was like, it was good like 20 minutes. So I was like, oh, I just guess I gotta leave these. You know what, me and my brother, we're talking about the ads the other day, about the value of the ads and speaking of, oh, like we were just going over our little situation and he's like, it's interesting whenever you start getting sponsored by people that like Joe sponsors, I'm almost willing to listen to the ads at this point because I think that the stuff that I could potentially use, like the few ads that I have listened to, I'm like, hmm, maybe I shouldn't get that ironically enough. You know, I mean, I guess the ads are working as my point.

Well, some of that stuff that he has on is really good. The greens one I've only ever heard good stuff about that supplement. Everything just seems useful. You know what I mean? So it's kind of sometimes it's not the worst thing to listen to a few of those. Anyway, yeah, that was just but Go ahead when jumping into Josh's thing I mean some of the stories that he told about especially about that guy that

Walked like the main one that he was trying to get out and he went to meet Trump but they dude went to he was kind of And he went to meet Trump, but they dude went to he was kind of It was like in trapment case like there was no drugs, but they gave him some money They're like get this money together and buy this and then you make tons of money and then they arrested him and put him away for His whole life. What a fucking scam. I don't it's insane how that stuff works out man What I don't get about it is why It's insane how that stuff works out man. I did what I don't get about it is why why even if you need conviction so badly why would you bother why not just try and go out and find an actual drug beaver instead of create one right is that just like the laziest

type of police work ever. Hi, I mean it's depressing to think about that. That's how they're trying wrap up cases. They don't I mean putting people's lives in think about it. That's how they try and wrap up cases. They don't, I mean, putting people's lives in the limbo is different than given somebody a not missing a taco in a bag. I don't know. Right.

It's a big deal, man. It's like, that's their job. Like, that's a lot of people's lives in their hands. It's not like a fly by night job. That's like so much, so much pressure and so much responsibility in that job I mean and for sure and then to take advantage of it on top like knowingly take advantage of it is some pretty like premeditated shit, you know

Yeah, it was just so brutal to hear and like the the how much work he's put in to kind of help these people And and that whole story with Trump was really bizarre Yeah It's just I guess you got to do that's the politicking that goes into it right you got to you got to grease some hands and shake you know I was gonna say shake some babies hold some babies like you got to You got to do that and And then hopefully people work on your case

What did he say he said kept saying like two pieces of chicken or something like that? No, no, no two two scoops of ice cream two scoops ice cream two scoops two scoops on this like what up? God I got must have done well. Maybe likes ice Maybe they keep messing up his ice cream order, you know, huh? Like don't you get together? Secret service, two scoops. Two scoops. Shoot that guy.

Shoot him and he doesn't give me two scoops, please. But last minute, through all the chaos, you know, Trump signed this guy and he got out. I mean, that's a beautiful thing. I mean, that's it's a beautiful thing I mean yeah, but the sad thing is he's just one of how many people How many people can this do you think presidents actually part Throughout their tenure or whatever you want to talk. I don't know. That's a good question. That's a that's a Jamie question, but no, I don't know. I don't know what the seems like Trump would have pardoned quite a few people

Let me Google it keep talking. I feel like I feel like the reason I'm making reference to that I might have heard something that he pardoned the most people out of any President before I might be making that up. I thought this is probably half his family. All right, here we go. How Trump compares to past presidents, pardons, there's a lot of peas in that one. Doodly doodly, let's see, Trump, total clemency, pardons okay 143 and no no this isin a hour, we're FDR pardons 3,000 people, Truman 2000 isin a hour a thousand, Bush 189, Obama 212. I guess they kind of like got pretty low on pardons later

But 143 Yeah, he's now he's kind of he's kind of low on the pardons scale scale. I guess. Interesting. He's doing anyway. What a great guy Josh too, but I mean, the passion that you can hear in his voice, you heard it on the last podcast as well, but the way he says that he's just like almost addicted to helping people. I'm just like, man, that is quite the soul and we need more people like him in our world, you know, definitely. I love the fact that Joe kind of ended is saying every quarter, they're gonna bring him on, because this does seem like,

if you're gonna use this platform for good, which Joe is trying to do, like this is definitely something that we need to check in on and find out where things are at. I mean, if the just the system is this screwed up and they're not getting a lot of publicity on it, on these awful cases that are getting so screwed up and they're not getting a lot of publicity on it on these awful cases that are getting so screwed up. I think it's great that he can come on and kind of give a breakdown. And if he does it that many times, he's going to get a real feel for the best way to use

that platform. It's probably going to be quite entertaining. He's going to get some traction, I believe, real quickly. And I think some things should be starting to change. Yeah, yeah, because so many people are going to get some traction, I believe, real quickly. And I think some things should be starting to change, given the chance to do so. Yeah, because so many people are going to know about it that it would become a real issue that people want to take care of. And who knows? Maybe judges would be more responsible. Maybe that's probably what they need is call out some bad judges

and call out some bad prosecutors that are faking things. What was the one story of the lady that prosecutor that when she wouldn't get a fingerprint match, she'd go to that guy was basically blind and have him match the fingerprints. I'm like, you've caught to be kidding me. That's a thing. And he was saying that eyewitnesses and like I think he said fingerprints are the two like least. Like you would think they're like the statue. Like they're the principle, but they're not. He's like those worst ways to find evidence.

Remember? Yeah, that's crazy to me. That's like supposed to sound like paramount. If you have like an eye witness, you are in the money. But at the end of the day, that's supposed to not be them like at all like a substantial piece of evidence. I think once someone gets it in the money, but at the end of the day, that's supposed to not be the, like, at all, like a substantial piece of evidence. I think once someone gets it in their head, it went that way, and then they're encouraged.

Be like, you sure as him, oh, it was definitely him. I've seen his picture a bunch of times since. I'm really, really, really, really, really. Did you just, like, put that in your mind now? That's that same thing. I mean, you could think about that on a simplest basis. Like, I had my keys in my pocket. I know they were in my pocket. I know it. I know it. I would bet a million dollars. You go on your room and they're sitting on the nightstand.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the same shit. Yeah. That's the same. That's the same. That's the same. It's the same. It's the same. I mean, it's just like you get it in your head and you can't like it's your memories. Your memories are son of a bitch sometimes, you know, it's like you remember what you want to remember a lot of the time. See, but that makes sense to me. If the fingerprint thing, I was shocked to hear how off I thought it was either a match or not. Like you plug it in a computer, it lines it up and it's like, that is that person

because you can't fake this. But I guess it's not true. They just kind of match up different points. And there's weird angles and partial prints and God. Oh, dude. Speaking of, I just went to Hawaii this past weekend, and my girl had TSA pre-check. And there was this opportunity to use this thing called clear.

That's the name of it. It seems like minority report, dude. Just to like, I think it costs like an extra 50 bucks so you could skip the line. But like, they took a picture between my eyes, they put like a dot in between my eyes and then you could see a picture of my eyes and then they took all four of my fingerprints

on both hands. And then they asked me, they generated these three random questions that nobody would know. It said my aunt lived in such and such state and true or false and who was it? The questions that you and he, I'm like, how in the hell? And he's like, it's all pulled from Google Facebook,

any of your social media, that's how we got it. I was like, oh my God. Why? It was like a surreal moment, dude. It was like some stranger asking me some question about my aunt that lives in some state And they put it all together and he's like don't mess around on these questions otherwise we're gonna have this whole process again No way

Yeah, it was intense dude like and all for 50 bucks all to pass the line and then back in my head I'm like this is probably how it's just gonna end up being whether or not you want to just get ahead of it But I mean, I don't know it felt really weird. I'll tell you that. I was like, was going through and I had already had a couple of drinks. So I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. And then we got through the process. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? That is interesting. Yeah, it was pretty interesting to say the least. He's like, yeah. And the whole thing was spoken. It's not even like that's an international flight, right? That's just not to you. Yeah, but it was just a skip the line. That was the whole idea Hmm, so they pretty much know everything that I've done since I was one years old at this point

I mean, it seems I mean I got to imagine and maybe I'm being pessimistic But it seems like if they I've always been under the assumption, like if they want to find it, they can find it. But there's always been that thing that, whenever they run your credit, like to confirm it to you, they have like a list of cause you've owned and streaked your life on,

they always kind of have that. Very similar to that kind of scenario than that. That's how I felt in that situation. Okay. I see Hey, let me ask you I can hear me talk Through you you don't have us on speaker do you? No, you're on my you're on my your pods. All right. I wonder why that's going on No, no, no, yeah, that is creepy man. I don't like shit like that I think that you know in a weird way It's like well, I remember having this conversation with my brother about then being able to watch so much of us because it like

There's a lot of that tracking in England and he's like well if you haven't done anything wrong Why would you ever worry about it? I said, but that's not the point though. That's not the point of all once they Use things against you or take it out of context, or put you in a situation to where you just happen to be close by, and now they're making references based on previous posts to whatever your motives were for being there, you can get dragged into something. You can make any story read anyway if you have an agenda.

Absolutely. I mean, think about it. You can make any story. They do that all the time in friggin politics. You think they can't swerve some narrative if they want to get you? They can find a way to get you. Yeah. Oh, I mean, look at this guy. Poor Josh. Like he, what do you get pulled over? And with something that wasn't even his fault. Like they, it looked like the driver's license was expired or suspended or something, but it wasn't. And because of them putting his name in wrong, he ended up being in jail for just 15 hours.

And even that, he was like, dude, it was scary. 15 hours is scary. He had to have, luckily him too, he's kind of a big name. He had a homie pull some strings. Like, what if you don't know that homie? Most people long gonna have that. I mean, the fact that he's a lawyer probably helped too,

but even that, he's a lawyer and he couldn't get himself out. That's what I was surprised about. If I was in a back, not the swing did, but it's like, you know, I am real, like, I know the law of backwards and forwards. They probably don't care. And so they're like, good luck with that. I mean, but that's the game that they're playing, right? I mean, they talk about it.

It's not about justice. It's about wins and losses and proving your side. And that's just set up to have problems. That's really sad. That's the way it is. Mm. Yeah, it was a deep week with these, man. It really was.

It was like a heavy week of like, okay, think about my drinking, think about people going to jail illegally, and then jumping on to Carol, what's the name, Hoven? Yeah. This was a really interesting podcast, because she's obviously like a very emotional person, a lecturer and all the rest of it,

and understands kind of, you know, she has a soft spot for everyone's feelings and whether they're included or inclusive and had some like preconceived notions about what the fight game was about, that it was more like a dick swinging contest. And I think that through this, like this podcast was really a perfect example of like the importance of conversation without judgment and what you can learn from someone else's different point of view.

I think they both got a lot out of that. Yeah, I was gonna say I think she took a 180 on a lot of things that she hadn't initially thought or just the way she discussed it. No disrespect to her, but it this whole inclusivity thing that has to be a thing. It was it was nice to see Joe put his foot down in some degree and given the circuit like given the proximity of what they were talking about because it's like, yeah, but shouldn't and he's like, no, no, on a certain, and she's like, oh, that kind of makes sense because like the metaphors that he used and not to be like vague, but they were just talking about how transgender and different sports and whatnot, how they're dominating certain sports. And he's like,

look, I have three daughters. He's like, I'm looking out for them. He's like, that's what I'm looking out for. So it's not like he has like some swayed bias just because he's some meathead wrestler guy. It's like he's looking at it from a much different perspective. It's like rational. Yeah, he does, he did describe that well. What he also described well was, was what fighting is.

I mean, especially when he brought up Nama Yuna's wind and how she's a tiny, pretty, beautiful, compassionate, loving person that's also a killer. It's like, well, that's, that can't be related to too, you know, too fucking dear, pissed off at each other trying to meet and fighting like it's not the same thing Not at all. It was a very clear way of like describing that and I think that Carol lady will see it differently You know, I think she really kind of understood a lot From that point like oh, okay okay I get that yeah the trans thing in sport is is a weird one though I mean definitely when it comes to them just breaking records left them right I still can't get over that stat that there's like over 300 high

school boys that can beat the fastest woman in the world oh shit and do do do do I mean why don't all of them just become like any of them could just become transgender and beat every record of all right. And they know to probably stay the record for a very long time. And that's right. Not fair. Like what? Right.

What is that? Like, well, on the flip side too, it's like he's like how many women have transitioned to men and their dominating sports like that it's like uh if there was that if that was a narrative then you'd have an argument but there's zero you know what i mean there's zero women that are transferring into the men sports and just dominating so it's like it's not disrespectful it's looking out for biological women at the end of the day maybe that's what a hundred best end is if you think about it that's what it comes down. Maybe that's what a hundred bests in is if you think about it. That's what it comes down to. Ultimately, that's what it comes down to.

Looking out from biological women in their needs. So it's like, you can say you're one way or you're not, you're like, you're blinded and you're just in your way of thinking. But it's like, I guess, but us as men are looking out for women. Like, that's the idea. But I mean, I mean mean that's the narrative at the end of the day like when he was like she kept saying natal to it he's like what you can't say biological because he's always made a reference to that too like if you go to get a puppy

and you say let me get a puppy and you're like I want to get a feet like I always like to get female dogs personally because I'm a guy and I've always had good experiences with dogs but he's like if you go you just, give me a puppy. And if you don't care and they give you a male, when he comes home and rips everything up and everything's weird and you're like, oh, I guess it didn't matter what gender he was. It's like, kind of does, you know what I mean? Yeah.

That was confusing. I didn't. Yeah. I was barely following that. Yeah, I might have chopped that up pretty nicely. But either way, I remember he's made reference to like wanting a certain sex of a pet and it being a biological thing. He's like, so-

Yeah, so we'll just see it there, but yeah, I don't know. It just seems like a silly argument to me, unfortunately. He's only, and he's like, I'm only talking about it in sports. He's like, if you want to wear a dress, you want to do anything. I don't care. It's just when it comes only talking about it in sports. Like, if you want to wear a dress, you want to do anything, I don't care. It's just when it comes to the competition and being fair. That's just not fair. Yeah, I mean, if it was something similar to like,

if the same comparison could be made in the workplace, like, okay, so certain companies are opening up more positions to women to Encourage more women CEOs for example, and then a bunch of people were transitioning and taking those jobs But they were meant anyway that that would be like a similar argument You're like, hey, wait a second. It's not the point of why this was kind of set up I mean, maybe that's a bad comparison, but no, I think that's I mean, it's a it's one way to look at it for sure. It's quite I mean clear that way. Hmm.

So it was nice at the end when they when Joe was like kind of comparing the struggle of fighting and that knowing yourself and putting yourself in a fear and then she did all the marathons and things and then They kind of said that it Joe like broke down that he's like there's no Overcoming fear and I love that because I say that too I did like you don't you can't have no fear and you don't overcome it if anything You just it's it's like a wave You just you can only ride it right and I love that I thought that was such a great way of putting it. It's like a wave. You can only ride it, right? And I love that. I thought that was such a great way of putting it. It's like,

look, it's not going anywhere. It's going to be the same. You just kind of, I guess, have a little bit more control within the fear. But the only way to get that is to keep putting yourself in those positions. Yeah, like there's no way around it. That's all there is to it. And he always makes reference to that and fight and choosing the fight. That's like a way to do that. Mm. Yeah, yeah. For sure. I mean, often days when I'm like feeling really tired or just worn out, I know it's a really

hot day and here, like it is now. It's like night, like almost a hundred degrees, which is unusual. I know that later tonight, Jujitsu is gonna be brutal because for whatever reason, Kron likes to turn up those classes when people are struggling and just kind of get you moving

and take you to a dark place. He's not doing it because he's cruel at all. He's doing it because it makes you much better at Jujitsu, but it's like something you have to think about on the way that I'm like I could sit at home. I'm watch TV. Why am I doing this? Like I'm often thinking that on the way in. I'm like I sit and I'm watching TV doesn't feel good. It feels good for the first five minutes And then you're like fuck I should be doing something. Yeah, it maybe does one day, but if I did it all week, then I would just feel way guilty that I didn't do something difficult.

Right. It was powerful in a lot of ways, hearing Joe and her, like, getting quite emotional together. It's unusual for the podcast. Like, Joe talks about being an emotional person way more than he does show it, like to that degree. But it was, I think it was really fascinating for her to see somebody that is perceived like he is, you know, big macho tough guy, but also able to just get sad and cry about things and not apologize. In fact, insist that there's nothing to

apologize about. Yeah, to be able to show emotion, I mean, growing older now is I feel like a lot more in light and a lot more like it shows that you can grow. You know what I mean? You can show emotion, you know, to be the tough guy when you're 15 all the time, you know. Right. And it's a brave thing, really. I mean, you can't say that it isn't in a lot of ways. I mean, if I guess it depends what you're crying about. If you bump your knee on a table and start crying, then and you're a grown man, maybe that's not the way to express that you're pain and emotion. But if you're seeing something that moves you and you feel passionate about it, like being able to create the space that like shed a tear, it's like good for you. Right on.

I like being getting to that point to allowing things to move you. I think it's a good thing. You know what I mean? Being in that moment and allowing things to drive your emotions is a grow thing and it's a it's a good vulnerability is a hell of a drug You know what I mean because people are attracted to it and it's just good for your soul in general to be born right you know Yeah, it's the one unusual feeling there you have a catch yourself watch in a movie with like a sad bit and you with a chick And then you just like I yawned I was just you on it. I wasn't it was a yawn Okay, I kind of embraced those moments

If I can shed a tear I'm like well man you allowed yourself to feel you know what I mean like it's something something's good about that I mean there's some good movies out there man. There's some movies they get you there good will hunting and do it Yeah, yeah, do it to me I feel bad for that guy in that movie sometimes Some good acting for sure. Yeah, it's a great movie. All right, let's jump over to Duncan Trussell. We don't have, I don't have a ton to say about it other than, it was, it's so worth watching.

It's Duncan at his best. They start off with this like culty kind of like sayance energy and it just, it's such a wacky conversation and brilliant. I mean, it is just funny from like beginning to end and they go all over the place. That Duncan so deep when he wants to be. It's a funny cat, that's for sure. Sometimes he gets going and like I just forget that like Joe's in the room with him, you know what I mean? Like just listening to his rants

Yeah, and he just goes in so many different directions and then quite often breaks it up with something very very funny that kind of takes you out of it. I mean, you know It's like he and talking about his gurus. How many gurus does he have? 10 10 dear Gears Yes, there's there's worse things to have I guess Yeah, he's a he's a spiritual dude, all right, right? Yeah, he definitely is I so Joe's talking about having him on

Yeah, he definitely is. So Joe's talking about having him on, for like a whole month or something, I guess he's gonna move out, to do some shows out there in Austin and stay for the month. And then they're gonna bang out a bunch of shows. So yeah, it's kinda cool that Joe brings him on for those special number ones. I mean, he's been there since the beginning.

He's a big part of what the podcast is all about. To Duncan's credit, he's killing it with that show. And Netflix too, that show is pretty damn good. Maybe your show is not. The cartoon one? Yeah, the animated one. It's pretty wild. Oh, yeah, that's wild show.

I've seen a few episodes of that. It's very good. I have to be in the right mindset to watch you. I'm really strange. You gotta be prepared for what's coming. But yeah, it's a bit wacky. But I do like it a lot. All right, well that's it for this week. Thanks as always for you guys again. Write some good reviews if you'd like, we appreciate it, we love the rhythm and yeah that's it for me, we'll see you guys next week. Take it easy folks.