Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 252 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Derek More Plates More Dates Et al.

Episode Date: December 9, 2021

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use promo code JRER for 20% off your order that's JRER dietsmoke.com. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Join us always by my sidekick co-host whatever Garrett how you doing bud yo it's cracking that's a big yo big yo I wanted to open up I don't know if you guys are following Russell Brand on YouTube like his YouTube channel is massive we're talking like four and a half million listen listen, and he's kind of become like a news guy, but he's still funny. He's doing great reporting, man. To finally, finally, there's like a handful of them and he's definitely leading the pack. I'd say, yeah, it's weird how these comedians are becoming like the voice of

reason. Like it just, he's, he's so smart to it.. He has the whole background of, he knows psychology, he knows all kinds of things. It's interesting hearing his perspective too, being a guy that used to be totally into drugs and alcohol and to see his path unfold the way it has and now he's an insightful speaker that's kind of speaking to the masses is awesome. Yeah, yeah, he just highlighted this. I don't know if any of you guys saw, but the, um, so the parliament in England, right, our government out there in England, uh, had a party over Christmas when they were telling, and now they've been really strictly locked down like way more so than than the US, even really in the most strict places in the US, which is like New York and California.

The whole of England has been more strict than that for a longer period. Right. It's mostly how Europe is. Really most of the world is more strict than how the US has been and it's been annoying enough over here. But as far as I understand, it's like to hang out with your family like last Christmas, because they had like all these restrictions on who you could way you could travel to and who you could meet up with. Like people were straight

up having to break the law. Maybe I'm wrong. So don't quote me on this. But I think this is how this work when I was talking to members of my family They did like break the Lord hang out on Christmas day, right yet the parliament is having this massive party Wow, they're just all hanging out having a party right after they make these rules and it's just so frustrating It's like they have they have these government bodies have not done well for the, like, how much we trust them. It's the Nancy Pelosi Gavin News. I'm sorry to stung the other side of the water. Basically is what it sounds like.

I mean, not good, bro. Not cool. And it kind of also highlights, like, if this was, it's dangerous, is everyone was saying, and you know, it's a problem. People have died. I get it. Like, it you know, it's a problem. People have died, I get it. Like, it is true, it's a problem. They were worried the hospitals could fill up. I get that, that's a legit concern that everyone believed.

But people in parliament don't wanna get sick and die. So if it was really as bad as they're saying, and you gotta cover up when mass, everyone stay apart, they would have stayed away from each other. They would have done it because they don't want to get sick. They're not like, I mean, this, go on. Go ahead. No, I was gonna say is that this is that situation where it's, it's, there's no science, man. I hate saying that. I don't want to sound hippie, but the idea that you're going to shut down small

restaurants and just pick and choose and think that that's going to be like okay okay I'll get together for holidays like you're just coming up with these ass and iron they're just theories they're not even factual scenarios it's a and the fact that we're basing our lives on these man-made prophecies of this virus spreading seems so fucking dumb. You have to balance danger and threat, right? Right.

With the importance of community and connection. It's like we can't do a Zoom Christmas. Like it doesn't work like that. It's not gonna work. But anyway, that's a bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to talk about it because I just thought that shit was crazy. All right, here we go, this week, we got Ted Nugent,

Dodo, Dodo, Steven Pinker, and then Derek from More Plates More Dates. And there was the guy of the ancient civilization. Yeah, that was a pretty good one. We're not going to cover that one though, but it's interesting. If you like that sort of a show. I'll see the relationship. Yeah, it was really good.

I liked how he kept calling Joe Joe as well. So Larry's he's like listen Joe Joe. I'm like all right. Now Ted Nugin, I love his energy. I love the fact that he's like the quintessential, like, kind of American rock star forever. But he does get a little difficult to listen to sometimes. I remember that last time he was on, it's like,

oh, he just, he passed. He's, he gets, he gets worked up, bro. He's used to be in the center of attention all the time. He's the people listening to everything that he says. I get it. And to his credit, man, he's got some reasonable fucking points on a lot of things he says, even though he's so over the top, like he kind of is hard to argue with a lot of the things that he talks about. Yeah, I wish he didn't talk about how the left was evil constantly. That seemed a bit silly.

Like, come on. Like, that's half the people in the country, like, relax a little bit. Well, still, it's, yeah, the right and left should be divisive so much. And it seems like a cop out at this point to say, you're so right. You're so left and you automatically have this agenda, depending on who you are. That just is not realistic. it's from my perspective. And that's the weird thing from both sides. Everybody demonizes the other side.

It's like, that's never going to be a functional way of discourse or a way to ever find a solution of your, the only thing is hate campaigns. You know what I mean? It's true. That's true. But, you know, I don't know. I mean, you gotta think he's like at the forefront of like hunting, lights, and gun stuff.

So, you know, he's in a difficult spot to kind of stay somewhat balanced with. I mean, when you're that guy, it's probably, he's getting a lot of like very angry people messaging him sometimes I'm sure so it's it's probably easy for him to just see everyone that disagrees with him as like Pieces of shit. Yeah, imagine you again a bunch of DMs all the time like saying you're the worst human that ever lived or whatever You're just you're not gonna like whoever says that to you and then you're going to connect them with like that Solid politics. I would assume I don't know

That's a good explanation nobody DMs me so it's fine I don't know the same having I mean got not yet So I don't have any frame of reference. Hopefully not ever that would be interesting up because Even if you don't want to just your natural and I mean process is to hit that button even if I know this isn't going to turn out well. Yeah, you would be nosy. You know even if he says he never checks the comments dude he looks sometimes. He probably gets high some days and he's like I'm just going to have a look and then regrets

it like massively regrets it. I mean as long as you can laugh at yourself I think that that's the idea of life. You know what I mean if you can laugh at yourself and I mean he's your said and done sometimes with people are being critical but I don't take myself too seriously anyway so I mean yeah fair enough fair enough but we do appreciate the nice happy positive reviews. So if anyone wants to do those, they do make you feel better. They are nice. And the other ones they do hurt a little bit. I gotta say. I guess it's like a sense. Yeah, he was talking about somebody trying to, he was talking about how they made that ATF. Oh, he got really worked so well. That was almost, I'm like, oh my god.

Is he gonna punch Joe? Like how angry is he right now? He was so worked up. I wasn't watching it initially. I couldn't, I figured he had the guitar in there, but I, and then I had to turn it on to see how I'm doing. Cause he playing all these wrists just off the cuff like it was insane? Dude, but Jimmy definitely very good with that. Oh, he's amazing. I didn't realize he was that solid just to be able to pick it up and

Well, I mean to talk about is like raw career for a minute like he has been Pretty fucking famous and on top since in his own right, right? Like he's not like a Rolling Stones but like he's a big well-known act. He's been doing this forever. Forever, dude. So long it doesn't even make any sense. Imagine being a rock star that long.

No wonder he doesn't drink a dude drugs. He'd be dead. You never did either. That's kind of an... Yeah, kind of wild. I'm like bro, you became a rock star. You got to have at least a couple of years to go completely off the rails. Like, please. He's like, no, I'd rather hunt. I'd rather hunt. I know. I think there's something to be said for that.

I was thinking that in relation to hunters because they get this wrath that they're just savages and out there trying. That's what the left says is all for I don't even know what the argument is at this point, but if you're going to eat factory farm food and then fucking criticize somebody for hunting here of fucking hypocritical point pointing so no way around that. Yeah, yeah, but well, but you know what's cool. He has a son who's a vegan and he understands him in respects him So so to say he doesn't listen at all to other like you know that him and his son have like talked about this a

Long sure, you know, and then he brings up the point This is always an argument that I just I don't know if I'd ever have with a vegan. I just feel like I don't know if I'd ever have with a vegan. I just feel like, well, I don't want to argue with anyone really anyway, but like the whole one where it, where you say, well, it kills a lot of animals when you like grow grain or soil or whatever, and then you plow the fields. Like that makes sense. That's why the birds are there. They're just eating like the dead mice and things like this.

And I don't, I don't know. It probably is true, right? And it would be a good point. But the point just seems like they would just dismiss it so fast, it would get annoying to even bring out. Like they would just say, well, you know, we're doing our best. And it's the point that we're trying to help and blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, well, I don't know.

What do we do? Do we get data on like, what is the mass of dead creature at the end of a field harvest? And if it's like 12 deer, then wouldn't killing three deer be better? But then they probably just say, well, we make a lot more food though that way. It's a lot more food. Doesn't it sound like you've just interchanged the details with this vaccine? then they probably just say, well, we make a lot more food though that way. So a lot more food. Doesn't it sound like you just interchange the details with this vaccine? Yeah. How do you mean?

Well, what you just said, like, pretty much every detail, just associated a different realm of all the things you just said, wouldn't you rather kill three day rather than 11 deer and just breaking it down like that kind of thought process That's not the thought process the thought process is we're trying we're trying. It's it. It's safe and effective It's safe and effective. Yeah, no, I know you're trying. Yeah, we're trying. We're trying. It's like what the fuck is trying Dude, no, you're not first of all second of all Stop with the power mongering stop with the fear mongering stop with the bullshit It's almost like when you hear about people that are really big into

Recycling and and John Oliver did the show on it and they're like do they don't recycle any of that shit after time So it's like they just Kind of virtue signaling right it's like not actually effective, but at least it sounds good in there trying I don't want to sound like I'm not into recycling. I am I'm not I'm into anything that makes sense to help everybody. I'm in for that on any of those occasions. But the idea that you just have this idea that it works, but you don't have any factual information, i.e. masks, that we're just playing along for the placebo effect or for the for the eyes, for the optics, because that's what it seems like. We're doing all this stuff for show.

Nobody actually believes in it. Case in point, the parliament situation. Nobody fucking genuinely deep down is like, I think we're all past that at this point. Cause I mean, I don't wanna say all, I think we're all just ready to move the fuck on. And it's like, people are just hanging on, like a cat on like goddamn

Braindor yeah, right? Just hanging there like let me get it. It's like the fuck off the screen door, bro I Move forward to Jesus Remember when they were talking about that tick that you can get so Like ticks freak me out, dude because you get Limes disease and I I work security with a guy at the Kingshead pub in Santa Monica once that once had Lyme disease and It does like things to your brain like wait can And if dude it really messes you up like I used to talk to him and he's a nice guy

Good security guy to always took that job seriously, but would like save it he could like see angels or something and Supposedly he worked there long enough to where people knew that he Like knowing before he had this and like he didn't talk like this and he used to say some wacky stuff like had this and like he didn't talk like this and he used to say some wacky stuff. Like, it like that disease really threw him for a loop. Like really made him sick and it's so hard to cure because I think it's one of those things where it's not really like one thing. It's a bunch of like maybe weird parasites that they don't really know what's going on. So they just lump you in with like you have Lyme disease, but a lot of the cases are different. And it just takes you out.

And then the one that they talked about, what was it? The lone star disease or the lone star? Yeah, whatever. It makes you allergic to meat. Like what? It's like nature somehow controlling that, that controlling that yeah I don't know what the explanation is dude that would be such a bummer like such a bit seriously though I'd lose so much weight if all I could eat was salad and fish I could never keep my weight on I've had this conversation this has been a sound like this might be better for Derek play States.

But I think about the things about the protein powder. I will say that the beta alinein prior to the working out, but I don't know, man, I haven't really changed a whole lot of things. And even when I take the protein, I do the full cycle of herbal life, or I do the full cycle of whatever these supplements are. I can genuinely tell you there's not a whole lot of difference. I don't even, I don't notice any difference. Well, is it what's overla, isn't that that pyramid scheme though?

Yeah, but it is, but this one lady sponsored me a one time, and I was like trying to promote the personal training stuff, and she was like, maybe you could be a spokesperson for this, she's like, I'm just gonna give you a bunch of these products and then you can respond and tell me how you feel in this, that, and the other side was like, strict on it. And I'll tell you the six weeks or two months that I did it, I didn't see any difference. You want to believe it and I think that if you're taking it, you're like, are you getting this mindset? Bit of placebo effect. I feel better, but I can tell you, and it sucks to say this because I took that athletic

green religiously every single day, and I think maybe it's a placebo, like at least I'm providing my body with these nutrients, whether or not I feel it, but I can, there hasn't really been a product where I'm just so blown away by its effectiveness that I could ever get behind it. Do you have any products like that? Like I said, beta-aligning, if that's what you want, I don't do that. I drink coffee.

Majority of the time, I appreciate a good pre-workout, but it's not a necessity. Yeah, I guess we really should get back to this with the Derek one to be honest, but I just have a small amount of supplements that I take, which is like the standard D3. I think I take, which you like the standard, you know, D3. I think I take magnesium. I've zanked for when I'm sick. To bring that back around as far as the meat conversation goes, I'm the same kind of conversation. I don't

know that I would really miss out on me and that's trying to let my girl always try to push because when we go out I'm still satisfied with the veggie burger or the whatever the fuck I'm not that like that over the top on needing a certain kind of food as long as good I'm cool with it. Yeah fair enough and I think I'm that way like I probably should you know what's weird like sometimes you do go out to eat and you just like if like I never think of getting the veggie, whatever the vegetarian thing is on the menu. And there's a lot of good stuff there.

I was a vegetarian for the first 14 years of my life. I like it. I don't know why I'm thinking that more. I always just say, well, what's the meat I'm getting? It's interesting, I mean. It's become rice. It really has. That's just like, you think about those people when they go out to dinner

It's like you know if you've been your friend for a while and they're like Diet Coke or whatever that one person Always orders the same drink every single time you go out. You're like what if you just said water instead of Diet Coke right Diet Coke You've been saying diet you've been saying you've been saying diet coke since fucking you were 13 and haven't changed it Now you're 37 saying diet coke every time you got to Chili's like come on. Yeah, switch it up diet coke and a hot dog Shout out to TV This little morning's 9 a.m. Snack. Bless him. Yeah

That's a little morning, it's 9 a.m. snack. Bless him. Yeah. Oh, I was fascinated and I guess I'd never thought about this, listening to that part, but like when they were talking about how Les Paul invented the electric guitar, like 1945, right? Think about it. It's the end of the Second World War. Think of all the changes, the upheaval, like you think COVID is bad for us.

Like forget about it. World War II was bad. That was probably a nightmare for people. But then think about it. Like they said that a guitar was really like a kind of back-played instrument before that. And it would be, it's all acoustic. And now all of a sudden you can just jam.

I mean, it's a, yeah, like you can't really do that with the drums, you can't make like like I guess they had like synthesized electric drums in the 80s. That was a bit cheesy, but You can sing with the guitar, you know, it has a voice with it. So of course, right? So now you have like badass solos and they probably didn't bother with Acoustic solos like kind of but you're not you're not gonna be like slash in acoustic solos like kind of but you're not you're not gonna be like slash in beat it with Michael Jackson with an with an acoustic guitar it's just not gonna work but what a revolutionary event for like music like it changed the game music did kind of suck before people like Elvis to be honest I don't even

remember music really before Elvis. Yeah, I mean, I, you know how we all got the end of the year Spotify thing. It's like what you listen to all year and blah, blah, blah. Also, I did, I think, I can't remember like, was it 26,000 minutes of Joe Rogan podcast? I would like to know if anyone out there is listening like email us like link in the bio I would love to see a screenshot of someone Like where your where your minutes are like how much you listened? I'm fascinated to like see how much people put in but you know you look go through your Spotify thing

And almost no one is probably listening music before like I don't know 1960 to be honest right right maybe some classical hits throwing an electric guitar with that yeah I don't want I don't want to go back to the separation of the parties but I wanted to kind of touch on that situation that was near and dear to my heart I just we, we've talked about it, the circumstances and the situations that we have with people here, kind of dictate our, and facilitate some of our conversation on the podcast

and I happen to have a guy who was self-reclaimed as Ray Lee Jew that was a business owner in Santa Monica and this reminds me of the Ted Nuget thing because it seems like it's so polarizing but at the same time people in such opposite ends of the spectrum initially have now somehow found their way together to like retaliating against the mob. Right so he was just telling me his blood and Venice for 23 years he's like he shout out to him he was a part

owner of Dogtown coffee in Santa Monica, and he said, over the past year, I've watched everything just kind of crumble, and he said, I had to take my American flag. This has been Israeli Jew, like a refugee that came over here, made a name for himself, and probably one of the hardest markets to do so in Santa Monica. Like, talk about Prime Mill as they in difficulty to probably set that up and it's been a namesake forever at this point But the fact that watching that crumble And hearing him talk about it was it's so weird that these these Policies have polarized some people so much because now he's so right. He's like I've always been liberal

I've always but they've provided me a no other option and he said it's like i've always been liberal i've always but they provided me a no other option and he said it's like he says it's either like communism or fucking revolve it's like it's like it's like it's like explain expand a little bit on what you would tell me about the flag thing that happened uh he said that he was approached by like he didn't want to necessarily say people like antifa but his place is right on main street there so it's like right in the forefront of San Monica. So it's probably people walking up and down saying probably and not maybe making assumptions, but rich white kids probably saying, fuck the United States. Like the people that are the,

probably not the people that are, you know what I mean? It's so weird who's standing up for these causes. It's like these probably more not entitled but just the more resources and but are criticizing the system. You know what I mean? What you're saying? What you're saying is not the people that are really repnosed. No. It's like people speaking on there but people speaking on there but half and they're like don't fucking speak on my behalf. You know what I mean? I don't think that people really agree. It's like you think you're doing something virtuous, but you're not. So they want him to take his American flag down?

Yeah, the Jewish Israeli guy who had the American flag because he appreciated freedom and everything that America's standing for. He was forced to take it down by people like yelling at him and being harassed outside of his place. I'm not sure it's short. I don't know all the details, but that was what he said. He's like, at that point, he's like, he's like, I just don't appreciate it. And he said he's moving this out to Coda and this, that and the other. And I'm just like, fuck, man, this is, I go, you know what I did say to him immediately. I was like, man, you need to put this on Instagram

because if people see stories like this, like a long time business being shut down because of this nonsense, I would get on board with that. And I know a lot of people are just waiting for one person to be enough to have enough balls to stand up when faced with adversity and and make an example, you know. Yeah. It's not you don't ever want to be the first guy. That's hot breaking to here That is the American dream right there Like he came over like set up at a great spot. That's a dope coffee spot

That's some saying but I'm like I'm like I'm like get on there until that story and I think that you could have a fucking I mean a documentary right there that a lot of people we get on board with, you wouldn't take a whole lot, you know, I mean, like shit, small business that was maintained by whatever. I mean, it's just like, these things need to be exposed. That's what needs to happen. And it seems like we have the ability to do so, even though they're trying to shadow band people

and stop them from speaking out. But the one avenue that we do have is such a far reach was Given the circumstances that we need to start indulging ourselves in these like these problems and start making them It would be nice It'll provide it as we know other option It would be nice to support like people like that, right? Absolutely Like people like that right? Absolutely 100% That's a tough gig that work in hard and

You know they provide a great service and okay, they know McDonald's so they don't have the backing of 9000 other stores To where they can you know ride this you know wave this storm out. It doesn't work like that for them He's like do we've done the outdoor dining and he's like that still they're trying to regulate that and he's like It's just a money grab at this point and it's like everybody is judging everybody else We've known this for the past year now and I the circles that we surround ourselves with I Don't think our our buying into it. I don't know every comment like I've said it millions of times at this point But every one-on-one conversation I have with another person doesn't have the sentiment

that is being portrayed. Well, you know what? As far as I'm concerned. This is what actually, even though that ATF rant was like quite a lot to listen to, I'd never thought about it like that when he was like, why do we need organizations like government, police style, you know, crack down. They have like basically armored vehicles to go smash into stuff to protect alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Like, yeah, there's like a danger issue and there's some different things. But it's like, hold on a second. Why is that all the way necessary? Like, what are you trying to do?

And this is coming from a guy who doesn't drink or smoke, so it doesn't have an agenda of the gay either. So he's speaking on it from... Well, he does like firearms. Yeah, well that's one thing that is, I agree, but the fact that those three thing, he broke it all down. He's like, when's an architect,

or an aggregate called Soror product? And then he said alcohol, and then guns. It's like, one's an architect or an agricultural product. You're going to say alcohol. And then guns. It's like the way he described it, people is coming up with random shit to put in like one little umbrella category and make somebody in charge of it. Yeah. What stood out to me is when he said, tyrants, unarmed and helpless victims. And then they kind of talked about what's going on in Australia because they took their guns away. And it's like, it's a fascinating thing. Like definitely the countries with the least guns

probably had the most control. And I don't want to be like, you know, I came from England, he had no guns over there. Like I'm just like trying to observe and speak to what I see, but that kind of is an interesting thing. It's like the states where people had the most guns with the hard, like the least lock down.

They're like, nah, we're not doing this shit. What's the benefit from their perspective to not have guns? Is it just that there's going to be peace because there's no guns? There was a massacre, like a school shooting or something in Australia and that really upset everybody. And then they just basically said, hey, we're going to take the guns away and I think a school shooting or something in Australia and that really upset everybody and then they just basically said Hey, we're gonna take the guns away and I think a lot of people agreed right away because it really upset the country and Then you know over time because Jim Jeffries has a great bit on it, which actually is still one of the funniest

Comedy bits ever and it's about guns and he's not he's definitely So he, and you know, it's a good bit though, from a comedy standpoint, it's very funny. But yeah, after they, after that, they just kind of handed them back and they never got them back and, you know, they don't have like the National Rifle Association, I think, over there. So there wasn't like big lobbyist groups that could like save that motion from going through and you know the American has an interesting setup with all these different states I mean unless they just band them more federally across the board but they just it's just gonna be way harder to do in this country. This podcast is brought to you by Express VPN. When do we decide to stop up holding

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He's got from what I understand. There's some great books that are worth checking out. And I'm going to have to go back and see if I have any. I was looking at my bookshelf actually before we did this. But I didn't have any from him. Smart Guy though. I like how he talks very interesting. Like, wrote a book about rationality. I didn't have any from him. Smart Guy though. I like Harry talk very interesting.

Like, wrote a book about rationality. And it's like, yeah, I think we've lost a lot of our rational thinking. I think I have to. I'm probably less rational than I was, to be honest. I mean, yeah, I want to believe. I think we all want to believe that we're super rational, but it's just got so weird. It's like what is going on?

Yeah, I think that as long as rationality is the goal, you're working in the right direction. So if you ever lose sight of having a bias one way or another before trying to approach rationality as the main goal, we got a fucking issue. That seems to be the politics of what's going on right now. If everybody was trying to reach out and find a rational reason for what's going on and how to make a rational decision on how to correct the fucking ship, maybe we'd all be moving in the right direction, right? Yeah, but I did. It's what it, what does it mean? There's gotta be some tenants of it and I think about it with just regular discussions, you know, like If you're gonna talk to somebody there's a different opinion like everyone needs to put down some ground rules Like number one, we don't need to raise our voice. We don't need to talk over each other

It should be podcast rules try not to talk over each other over each other. It should be podcast rules. Try not to talk over each other. Sit and let the other person speak and finish that point and like get to it that way. But you just get into it with people and it's like whether you get heated or they do, it's so much, it's just so much energy that you're just like okay no one's persuading anyone right now and it just makes you like further away. You just drive down even harder into your position. And it just destroys ration. So, hold it, so how will attachment to ideas? Because if your approach is always rational, then you don't have a bias prior to an attachment to an idea you're willing to hear out the other

persons. Yeah, that's the hope. But we all need to be reminded constantly. I mean, I don't know about you. Like, I do. I need to constantly remind myself. Oh, I do. Because it's so easy to do that.

And to be honest with you, we've said this too, if the amount of it in Jaco, he talked about on his, he's like, whenever you admit fall, or you have the ability to like self reflect, people appreciate that. They don't demonize that. They appreciate you saying, oh, you're right. Let's do that.

That makes more sense. Yeah. We've moved away from it. Because the politicians like teach us on live TV and every announcement never admit that you did anything wrong ever and just gloss over it and push through but there isn't a benefit. I don't know why they think there is it's like we trust you last bro. You like my one friend that lies a lot. I don't trust you now. Just say we tried this it didn't work we're trying this.

Yeah sorry but. No I'm okay with that to be honest. It's bad. I feel like that's something it's something I can get behind. It's something I can appreciate is something that is a human fucking attribute that shows some character like that is willing to say maybe I didn't do it right this time. I'm gonna fucking try and figure out the next time. I would say it's interesting. Being a scientist, I guess, and I don't know how many,

conspiracy theories you think you're part of or what not and are willing to believe, but it's interesting hearing from a scientist. He has to like basically blanket statement. He doesn't believe in any conspiracy theories. So it's like, when you don't do that, that's a weird thing too. If we're gonna consider rationale,

I thought that when he was saying it because it was almost like you don't have to believe but if you're going to explore the facts, I mean case in point, the Epstein case where he tried to break down. He's like, yeah, but then the Joe's like, no, no, no, no, he's like the way he choked out was not physically possible to choke himself and he was like, hmm, maybe there is something there, but he still had to, he still had to like err on the side of science to say that no, that couldn't have been a fucking option. Yeah, it's almost like if you make the statement, I don't believe in any conspiracy theories, you're almost putting yourself in a position where you won't allow your thoughts to even question something that sounds odd. Right.

And that's probably not good That's what I thought when he said that I thought that that I appreciate the science of everything but at the same time It's it's worth it's worth hearing things through yeah He is right though most of them all bullshit and you got to be real careful Which road you go down before you're a QAnon or a flat earth? Well, I mean when I think conspiracy theories, I think that I'm open-minded to them, but the only one that I give any opportunity to is,

I think COVID is a conspiracy at some point, at this point, not necessarily it's not a real thing, but I think that there's aspects of what's gone on that are definitely proprietary blends of conspiracy. Yeah, the control, the control elements of the control factor have always been my issue with it for sure. Right, right. So you call what you wanna call it,

you can call it what you wanna call it and label it this down the other, but at the end of the day, there's some fishy shit that's been going on with this all this time. Dude, when I go to England, so I have to get, I think my Johnson and Johnson is good that I took, so that's okay.

They do allow that. They don't require a different one, which is good. I didn't want to have to take another one. Then I have to get a test before I go, two days, 48 hours. Then when I get there, I have to take a PCR test, 48 hours after. Then I have to fill out this form, which I think says where I'm gonna be the whole time. It's like a travel log. I'm pretty sure. I haven't looked at it fully, but I'm like, hold on.

Hold on a second. Like, wait, what do I have to do? Like, shouldn't I be able to just go home and see my friends and family and not have to like I think my whereabouts is my business a little bit. Well I think I mentioned I mentioned my buddy about this situation and he was like oh well he's if he was vaccinated be that much easier I go he is vaccinated so it's like what in the fuck is going on? You've already complied and now you're still facing this bullshit Yeah, like a bunch of it You go bunch of shit

So you'd be you'd literally be going through the same shit I'd be going through I mean they wouldn't even let you go there if you didn't have the back No, no, you can't get in Can't get just a vaccine What do we know the areas where you can't get in. You can't get in. Just a vaccine. What do we know the areas where you can't do that? Is that specific to Europe or is that those are other places? Dude, I'm pretty sure that you can't fly to any other country in the world without a vaccine. As far as I know, maybe Canada, I don't know if they require it, I think they do. It's like

America is actually like a bit loose, but if you're not American and you fly to the US, I think they do require the vaccine for you to fly here. So it's just country wide right now. I mean, every country, it's worldwide. Like you just gotta have it. If you wanna leave the country. If you had a open ticket to go anywhere in the US or you're ever anywhere to set up shop for the next five years, where would you go?

Oh, I'd like to go to like a cool villa in the Antelope. I think and like learn Italian and then like make pizza. Well, just I appreciate I appreciate your I appreciate your e-pray love moment, but son of a bitch. Now I regret saying all of it. But I just reflect on Italy. I thought Italy was super fucked. I'm thinking from a... you had a factor everything in like... Oh, you're talking like where would I go to get some freedom? Well, where would you go to be optimistically happy?

And where would you find that? Because I'm trying to think I've mentioned this situation. My living situation will figure itself out, but I've got a year in a month. Well, it's not going to taught, and it's like this rent situation here, it's like you're paying three grand of them on the beach, and taught was like, you know what you're getting in South Florida, you can get for three grand,

you could have a fucking four bedroom house on the canal and i'm like i'm like well that's a sick piss yet anyhow sick of fog, man. Dude, we can't. We're in the middle of this. It's gonna be a fucking editing nightmare if we take a pause.

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, live by the canal, bro. That's a great spot in Venice to live in. I would love to live over there. There's everything. I do live by the heat, but he was talking about if I wanted to spend three grand in Florida, I could probably have my own house. Do do do it. Wait, wait, wait. Are you talking to me now and you're not by your computer? This is not how you record, but okay, you're right. That good. Sometimes we're all with you. I just don't know. If you're not clanging around and making a lot of noise, I apologize guys. Thanks. Thank you sticking with us and listening through all of

20 chaos Yeah, as far as that's what I'll ask you that question again from a from a covid slash freedom slash happiness slash weather What's it because I keep thinking about that now? of COVID, slash, freedom, slash, happiness, slash, weather. What's it? Because I keep thinking about that now, maybe this is an opportunity for me to switch up my living situation and evaluate where else I could go or even a different country or just anything.

Yeah. I think I did it though. That Bozeman for me was that. Like, I don't know if it's forever or for what, but I really did search out and you know this, like I had a great spot in Santa Monica. I loved it. You know I loved it. I really enjoyed my home and my life, but it just felt like I needed to go somewhere else and I kind of did try to seek out the most open and you know available places. I was in Nashville for a while.

And I was like, this place is pretty open. This is good, but they started to close that down. They closed Broadway down. I was like, I don't know if they're gonna be at a close this place too. And then that was it. I heard the Boseman was like, it's open and it's like Montana life.

It's just, it's different. And it kind of, I mean, it was a bit separated, like you would go into places, maybe the, if you went to a restaurant that had a bar, the bar area would be closed, this seating was limited, but I mean, mostly was open. And they want super strict with masks all the time. And they didn't have problems as well.

So they did the right thing up here. And I think there's just like an energy here that allows for that so I don't know bro I think that I'm already at the place that I would go to. That's why part of me feels like I'm like fighting this thing California especially getting the circumstances now like don't ask my opinion bros i get the fuck out of there all day long you know that but do you do you I'm a beach boy but I hear you yeah you beach island boy full on island boy yeah I mean you know and it I think Stephen Panko like touched on a lot of this kind of squirrely energy that is going on as well. I mean, even getting into what did he talk about? He was saying he had this like, oh, motivated reasoning, right, to support their idea even if it's irrational. So people have that. And

even very intelligent people can have that. And I wonder if there's like a strategy to figure out if you're doing that motivated reasoning thing. It's like I wonder, I feel like I feel like if you get heated about an issue when you're talking to someone, you probably need to reassess your position. Just in case you're getting a little bit too excited about like what you're thinking. And possibly being biased or not thinking through, like something like that. To further that point, I think he was touching on the fact of how, what were they talking about testimony? And whenever they interrogate somebody and they tell them this is what you saw, they kind of paint them into the scenario.

Remember when they're talking about that? I witness testimony is so fucking wishy washy because they can say things in our psychologically trained in ways that they can kind of formulate your thoughts. Yeah, like change your own memories by asking you questions. Right. Right. Right. Right. Maybe that kind of alludes to alludes to how they can do this, like mind control with people, you know? Yeah. Or I don't know. I guess lie anyway. I do. I had a court case once, which you know about. And in it, the person described my actions in a way that I 100% remember them doing,

which is the weirdest thing. The way that they described what I was doing was what I saw them do, which was the total opposite. And it's just like, it makes you almost think, wait a minute, did I remember that wrong? Like, I think I'm telling the truth. No, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing about video.

It's like, you could think something the whole day along with a video comes up, you're just, oh, I did do that. Or if you have a message or something, that's why it's like a timestamp. Yeah, dude, imagine recording like your whole day and then and then having to go back and rethink your day, but then you can also watch your day and you're like, oh, that didn't line up at all.

Shit. I thought it was way different than that. He said he said the average human lies twice a day without knowing. Hmm. I wonder what my lies were today then. Oh, or without intention, you know, or whatever. Like an accidental lie. Right.

Which seems pretty fucking feasible. Like if you're being honest, like not intentionally. Because you, because you know, somebody's like, I know you said that. Or I know they said that. And then you go check the reference and it doesn't say that. Yeah. Okay, well then you just are the boy who cried wolf. So now you don't get to say that again.

Right. We probably did it already on this podcast Just like just so you know, we're sorry. It was an intentional. I'm trying not to I really am What did you think of the the last bit that they talked about how so pinker is often Saying that this is the best time to be alive. And he gets a lot of criticism for it because people are like, It's bullshit, it's racist, it's full fucked up. And I'm like, look, I get it. There's some weird stuff going on

and things seem like a mess, but it definitely is better than it has been. I mean, maybe COVID wasn't great, but like, we're still like all people are living a long time. Like, you're not trapping beavers, but you're not trapping beaver Yeah, we're not trappers shut the fuck shut the fuck up. That's a tough job Shout out to all those trappers out there. That is not easy

Not easy in the cold Not at all. Yeah, it's like why would he get hate for it? What a waste of time like if you're that angry But definitely complain to someone else this guy Here's doing his best. Here's here's the thing when you have the platform that these guys have It just it's probably his Russian bots man like I don't know the I don't know the problem but it seems like it's like they just have to have the blowback. Yeah, you know That would justify a lot more things now that I have that insight to that possibility. I'm just going to chalk it up to, oh, bots.

It's bots. Maybe everything's bots. It's just like one giant AI in a super smart computer just trolling every human that exists and freaking us out because it thinks it's funny. I mean, just tell me the joke, I'm down to laugh. I would appreciate that understanding. Yeah. I don't know. I'll make a little bit more sense on some of these things. Yeah, no doubt. All right, let's jump over to Derek and the plates and the dates. This podcast is brought to you by Min nicotine pouches. Min is cutting edge synthetic nicotine pouch brand that's setting the new standard for nicotine pouches. NIN is cutting edge synthetic nicotine pouch brand that's setting the new standard for nicotine pouches

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continue adding. And I felt like their conversation was really good Like they they like equally is meat-head-y, but also You know they're trying to fact stuff and fact check it and learn and like get good at what you what they're doing I like to start I have to say he's a big youtuber millions of subscribers And he did seem smart like yeah, you could be like oh he's not a doctor don't listen But it sounds like he's putting a lot of work into understanding what he's talking He saw all this information out himself like he just saw it out. There was no other Motivation he just started doing research and somebody's like you should go ahead and make a show about that. He's like, okay. Yeah, and I like the way he talked about the

pod. Like it just developed on its own. He wasn't really like this master plan. He didn't go, oh, I know a way to make a load of money. He just was interested and did it. And that's a cool thing about, you know, being able to, I don't know, pay your bills, doing a YouTube channel. Like good for those guys, that's cool. I respect that. Yeah. I kind of need a little bit, this phone, not in me, but appreciate it,

and I think it's a possibility, but yeah, I agree. And you see, and you see how much impact it has, because when people are seeking that stuff out, he knows a lot about the science behind steroids, behind tests, behind GHB. I'm not saying that. Yeah, GHB, GHB. So it sounded like he had,

it sounded like quite the frame of reference on quite a few of these things that many, you know, how I wouldn't sort out a few of his shows and washed a few minutes and a few clips. And he knows what he's talking about. It seems, yeah, it seems like, like it's kind of one of those things that there's such a stigma around the idea of steroids or taking tests even as I think both of them do, Joe and Derek, but it's like, hey, he's not out to kill himself doing this, right?

And people have done it. They've taken so much that it's been real bad and he's like kind of plowing the way to like find the the I don't know the the balance between like doing enough to be able to be big and healthy But also not put your heart or your other organs at massive strain and that's important information I mean if there is a real benefit from this stuff like it's not just to get or your other organs at massive strain, and that's important information. I mean, if there is a real benefit from this stuff,

like it's not just to get massive, but it's like maybe feel good, stay acting younger, like having more energy, having good workouts, but not hurting yourself, wouldn't you want smart people to figure that out? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Otherwise, you know, we're back to the 90s and before

where you just meet the biggest meathead in your gym. And you're like, hey bro, what do you take? And it gives you some, you know, Afghan steroid that has a picture of a cow on the picture that's like a massive bull that's jacked. And he's like, yeah, just inject like five meals in you. And you're like, clearly this guy is not a doctor. This is a bad way to take this advice.

And I heard that's how it goes. This is a personal experience. Well, it sounds like I have a lot of information about it so you decide for yourself. But yeah, I mean, I'm even taking're taking bull steroids. Nice. It's been wild out there in those gyms. You got to be real careful. Yeah, I guess it's, I got to tell you, I'm, I'm, it's almost like hunting. I was almost so much against it for so long.

It kind of falls in that category now for me. I've tried so many other things and if you were willing to try a vaccine, why not try some fucking steroids at this point? But, I mean, I've never happened. It's been nice to be able to say that. But at the same time, it's like you've taken, I don't know what a good dichotomy or a good metaphor for that is. But there's been a lot of things that I've also put in my body thinking. I mean, I was touching on that early thinking that they like benefiting me, but I don't know if they really were Well, I would like to see I'm sure steroids are better for you than a lot of cocaine. I would imagine yeah I would think yeah, yeah, you'd think so

But I've heard things about steroids that they that it promotes growth of everything So if you even have a small amount of cancer on this is fact, but this is kind of loose fact that it promotes the growth of that cancer even quicker, just like it would your muscles. Yeah, I mean, I don't know enough about the either. I mean, there's probably some of that, like think about it. You heal quicker from injuries. So you would imagine that there's like quicker cell division, and the faster or more yourselves divide, the more likely there are to have a mutation.

And, you know, I mean, I'm just, I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there, but like that seems logical, but at the same time, right? You can also balance like, okay, so the carcinogenic effect goes up, X amount of percent, but also my body works and I have a bunch of energy and I can move and run around and maybe I can adjust in other ways. Like maybe you could

say to yourself, I'm sure that if you drink a lot, the quitting drinking and then starting steroids might, that actually might be a more beneficial event. So you could make up for in other areas. I'm not trying to encourage anyone to do steroids I'm just saying that like you know people have bad habits in a lot of ways like people eat fucking fast food quit fast food and then pick up a star steroids of the bad and no I'm just saying right it's a balance all right I said all that wrong yeah forget that some I mean I think it's gonna email me and be like yeah I quit McDonald's and now I do steroids. I'm like, uh, uh, whoops. Sorry. I don't know.

I mean, let's just get some, get it from your doctor and doc Pfizer or Moderna and don't get the bull one. Maybe we'll roll the dice. I might be better. Who knows, bro? Maybe Pfizer, Moderna make the best steroids. I don't know what they're all making. Am I having some things? They probably make the best cocaine. That's her damn sure. They got the guys that could. No doubt. No doubt.

It was funny to hear him talk about the dating website situation. He made, I never heard that fact. He said that the vast majority of people on the dating websites aren't Aren't I don't want to use a word successful, but aren't developing relationships He's like there's like five to ten percent that are taking all the wrong. Yeah, he said he said with males It's 4% of the men get 90% of the women So then there's 96% of men fighting over 10% of the women. And that poor 10% of those women,

all right, those poor like, well, you know, they got a lot of choice. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that like, yeah, 96% of the options here. Yeah. It's good there. But that's a lot for them to, like, work through. Two. Who knows, man? Yeah. Like, there was dating apps. Like, that's a slippery slope in itself. I mean, it can be fun for a while, but yeah, you got to be

real careful. I'm always impressed when I hear someone that's like, I never use them. I just, like, date normally. I'm like, wow. And then you find out two hours later that they just deleted it that day. No doubt.

Just not fuck around. Even if you're not trying to do it just from an ego standpoint, from a fucking ego boost, somewhere along the line. I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk about it a couple of nights ago about how it has affected relationships so much To have so many options and so many whatever the fuck said I think it's all what you put out. It's all what you want. So you're gonna get back

It's probably made people more picky and less willing to like work hard to make a relationship work because you got so many options and it's like a click of a button. I think that from a female standpoint that must be like I mean I guess it's probably got the same issue for both sides but it's like kind of but I'm sure I'm sure women like if you take it equally attractive female to whatever you are then then match him with probably 10 times as many people as you are. And everybody, and then you have to kind of thumb through and then you're like, oh, this guy sucks.

I could do like six in a day. You're right. You know, and they can do it anonymously. So they don't get those labels like, oh, this person is loose and like, you know, it's never really been fair for women. Like guys will could bang a bunch of chicks and then their friends are like, oh, this guy's a stud. But no, I don't think any girls are like, oh, you wouldn't believe I mean, like guys I slept with this week, like they're keeping it quiet.

Yeah. I think that was, I think that was the thing back in the day. I think that that's kind of shifted a little bit. I think that this like women empowerment thing kind of Maybe maybe not talking about it as crudely, but I think that I Don't think it says soft. Yeah, I don't I don't judge so I wouldn't start dating someone and think wait I'm gonna ask him how many people they I'm like I hope you have a lot of fun Right and have a great time before I got here. And I'm just happy to spend time with you.

That's the appropriate approach, as long as you approach a relationship from that perspective, you can't really lose. I don't think. Yeah. Cause if you're going to judge people on past experience, fuck, I got a rap sheet. Yeah, it's not fair, right? Because, because exactly you have your own history and that's it's not cool to do that It's not cool. Let's go back to the miss the Olympia thing He was talking about like those guys how Jack they get how massive and it's interesting like Ronnie Coleman

Had multiple what do you say like 10 back surgeries? Can barely move and then oh Who's the British guy that was Dorian? Yeah, that guy's great. Yeah. He's great. Um, but yeah, he's like, not about it now. It's just not a sustainable thing. It's like so massive that you just get destroyed. You get one fucking meat curtain and the amount of weight you put on that meat curtain is kind of dictates your comfortability and life. Dude, those guys get so massive. Like just I'm thinking about like little tasks like sitting in a car or sitting on the toilet or getting in a shower. Those tasks are completely magnified whenever you're fucking traps or popping out of the sides of your shoulders. How do they even get clothes like and think about how much they have to eat.

Like they must constantly think about food. And those workouts are brutal for them too. So brutal. Your body, your body becomes an actual machine. Like, I feel like mine is to some extent, but that's literally what they're thinking about. Yeah. Take export in a

past dude. It's more like a pharmaceutical chemistry experiment. Like that's what I don't want to talk about. I don't want to talk about their excrement, but I cannot even fathom what's going on. Giant shit. Scarant. He's just fucking just just just just elephant shits.

Yeah, they need like a garbage disposal in the toilet. Just because it's not. They don't make them big, they don't make them big enough. You got a wonder, I mean, I guess we may not attract it to it because it's like, looks strong and it's massive, but also I wonder if they're just like, wait, what is this?

Like it doesn't look like a human being almost anymore. Right, they get so big. You like that's not remember that I have a scene. They were talking about a skinny those some interrexic chicks were and how that one like lizard guy fucked his whole face up and did all that stuff too. Oh yeah. With all those surgeries. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, crazy. I feel real bad for people that have anorexia as far as I know It's like the you know, it's a it is a mental disorder like you know, I'm not trying to like

Talk shit about these poor people that have this happened to them, but for whatever reason But I've heard it's the one that has it's's the most fatal of all mental disorders because it's not just about, like take someone with schizophrenia and maybe they're a danger to themselves or others or people that cut themselves. Like a lot of people die from being an arachsic and they don't turn it around. And I feel awful for them. Like, that's terrible. Cause it's like a physical representation of what your mind's thinking. There's no way to hide it.

Yeah, you get malnourished in every area. You're like a concentration camp victim, but like, you're not in a camp. And it's just, and people around you, like, are caring for you and they wanna help you you and you just don't want to eat I guess and You know your bones get weak and it's not just that they are losing a lot of weight It's like their hormones will get fucked up like a lot of things get out of whack It's you know as bad or if not worse than becoming like morbidly obese

Right like it is like a similar process. Yeah, it must just be, I don't know. I don't know many anorexic people. I know one, I think, at the moment. And it, and yeah, it's tough for me to, you know, I reach out to that person a lot and try and just tell them good things. They're a friend of mine. I've known him a while. And I don't know. I'm not qualified to do it. I worry about him. I don't know how many male anorexics there are. I'm probably a very small percentage. There's way more men that have that big erexia, which is, you know.

That's what I'm saying. Does it fit in the same category? It's desired to be a fucking rich fanatiat. Did you know who that guy was? Have you ever heard about him? He passed away, but he's just a fucking roared monkey. Oh no, did they talk about him? Yeah, he used to walk around with a,

this was one thing that I do appreciate that he would walk around with a water jug at his whole company was like 5% because like only 5% care about their health in the way that he did, the way that he did was, he was doing something all and doing a bunch of wild other shit, but you think that, but like, people that have anorexia in comparison to people that may have the desire to want to be a fucking monster It might have a similar kind of mental mental deal, you know, yeah It's like a session with your body, right? They talk about plastic surgery too and like people that get a lot of work done And it's yeah, it's a slippery slope

It's it's like I've got no issue with plastic surgery if you've like got a burn You like you're a burn victim or you've had like a I mean that's that's the amount of tea or like I get it all and even if you want to have your breast on or like do some things Like maybe fix your nose. It's all cool with me But when people go down the rabbit hole of like changing the whole way of looking It's I just don't think that they feel that much better. I think that you're just gonna get stuck in a cycle of waiting for the next surgery, right? I think that that's

probably accurate. I will say that I would never be talking about the veneers and whatnot. I've thought about that. I've brought that up to my girl and thought about it. Not that it's to my girl and thought about it. Now that it's a self-conscious thing, and make part of me is like these are part of your character. Like this whole body is part of your character. It's sort of like, fuck with any of it, it's kind of a little of a problem.

Yeah, but think about it. It's like we work out to look better. It's okay to want to look better. It's probably just not okay to like obsess about it. Continue. I think what you said about it's a slippery so once you get that first surgery You're like all right. Well, now what else what how can I I'm gonna put a spoiler on the back of the car? Yeah, I wonder if that I wonder if that's how the process of thoughts he's going down You're like all right. Well, I did this I remodeled this I might as well remodel that and that's what we do that

Going down you're like all right. Well, I did this I remodeled this I was what remodel that that's what we do that Yeah, it's like getting a giant spoiler in the back of like a crappy Honda Civic and you're like what are you doing? Like this whole thing is a mess like no one's impressed by this stop it Well anyway, let's wrap it up for this week. We went over an hour a bit longer than usual I guess we enjoyed these I liked I like this week It was a good night. Good. Of pods for sure. Thanks as always guys for listening and sticking around and yeah we couldn't appreciate you guys more and thank you. We love you guys. Peace. All right. Si necesitas un taller de garantía para tu coche, Motrio te ofrece un mantenimiento multimarca

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