Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 257 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Robert Epstein Et al.

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

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One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys guys and welcome back to another episode of the JRE review. Join us always by my coho sidekick. Garrett, how you feeling this week, bud? Things are better, but I'm back from vacation. I'm I'm recharged I'm feeling like a million bucks. Sorry for all the car. I'm sorry for all the clanks Sorry for all the janks. Yep. We're gonna go ahead and all right. Well you're ready those that this week You're very excited last week very excited, but you're on vacation so you can get wild That's what vacations for just to be clear that day, I saw monkeys and I swam with sea turtles. So I was just revving up, but no excuses.

You were revved up. You were revved up. That's all right. Revved up in Mexico. That's the way to be. Right. You got to escape during COVID. Would there any COVID restrictions down there? I mean, try and have you wear masks and I mean, it's like an indoor outdoor resort and like Alicia went in to buy a deck of cards and the lady was like, you need a mask and it's like with the amount of time you just ask me, you'll get a mask.

We could have already done this transaction. So it's kind of just an interesting quandary to be in at this time. I don't know, but yes and no, but I mean in the outskirts and when you're doing the excursions with the locals, obviously, no, it's not a thing. They didn't care. Not okay. Mostly back to normal down in Mexico, good job, Mexico. Yeah, slow down. A couple of things I want to hit on one. So Russell brand did a video recently that talked about the 270 supposed doctors that wrote the letter complaining to Spotify about Rogan and his recent, you know, whatever, all the things he's been talking about. So they're complaining about misinformation, right, and they're saying it it's dangerous But I'm gonna put a link for you guys in the bio of Russell Brands Like 10-minute long little lecture, and I don't know if you see that guy. No, I want to check it out

I'm nothing to check it out Yeah, it's great. So there be a link once this is posted and I really encourage you guys to check it out I think that what Russell Brand is doing is I really encourage you guys to check it out. I think that what Russell Brand is doing is fantastic. And the way he described just the break, he really goes into the letter, who signed it, and everything, but it's gold. And I love that a lot.

Just to preface that, is that? All right, let's, is that basically saying that it was kind of poor shit, more or less? I mean, if you're just paraphrasing. Well, I mean, he goes into the letter and it turns out only like 65 of them were actually doctors that can even practice medicine. The rest are like dentists, vets, and a bunch of people that can't even practice medicine without supervision. Then there were a bunch of grad students practice medicine without supervision. Then there were a bunch of grad students and some biochemists and then just some random folks.

So it's like, what are we even doing here? Just people, what are we found? 270 people that just like complaining about stuff. Chiamin in. No. Well, come on. I mean, well, that's good. That's good because I think Russell Brand

and a lot of people like him. I mean, he's one of one of one, but he has a lot of interesting takes and it seems like a lot of insight on what's going on here and with this. I think he's doing some good news, man. I mean, he's he's almost becoming like the British Joe Rogan, but more more of it like a news version of it almost. I have a I have an interesting question for you real quick, just whenever we always talk about conspiracy theorists and how it kind of comes back to that. Would you say that the, right, you say the definition of a conspiracy theorist at this point and give it, and I don't want to go back onto the back topic.

We're trying to board that as much as we can, but like anybody that goes against the common narrative, does that automatically qualify you as a conspiracy theorist at this point? Because it seems like if you're going against the common narrative of like what you're supposed to do and what the news is telling you what to do and you may not see it that way you've just kind of been categorized as a conspiracy theorist and would that be accurate? I mean possibly you know all that just label you right wing for no reason like you could be the most liberal person ever but if you decide to have any other opinion then the narrative that's pushed do you get thrown into the right wing category?

I mean, someone said it to me the other day and I'm like, that doesn't make it any cent. What? I'm from England, man. Basically a socialist. I don't mean to be anything really, but I'm like, was it just because you're... How many how many things? I feel like there should be a checklist, right? And it's like 10 questions. Do you like, do you want socialized healthcare? Or do you care about the environment? Or are you X, Y, and Z? Do you want to have social welfare programs for poor people?

And it's like if you check enough of the boxes, you're a thing. But it doesn't matter now. If you even have one question or idea that goes against it, it negates all the other things you agree with them on. They're like, no, you're right, Wayne. And I'm like, what? How? I just don't know. How this happens? It's interesting when you start spitting like scientific facts or mentioning I don't know the whole preface of that Russell Brand interview or dialogue but if you if you go against the narrative it's just it's kind of just brushed aside and the facts are just not like null and void a lot of the time it's that facts inside don't matter it seems that way people just look people just have really strong opinions about what's happening, regardless

of what's happening. And I get it because I think we do in a lot of ways too. So, and that's it. It's like there's two teams that have been made and nobody's looking for common ground. It's nobody. And people feel like they don't have time. Like, they can't even give it space. Because if they do, you know,

they lose their position on whatever team they're in, I guess. That's why Rogan's being so polarized. He's the only like media medium that's allowing for both sides to kind of have a voice to talk, even though it gets misconstrued as it's completely right wing. Somehow, I don't know. Yeah, but I think what's happening is even though he creates a narrative like a space for both sides to tell their story,

the fact that he even gives space to people that disagree with what most of the media are pushing, that immediately makes him, you know, as they see it as like, oh, you're against us. And this is misinformation. And it's like, shouldn't you hear both sides that any discussion? Isn't that a good way to debate anything? Yeah. But have, but no, I guess not, not today. You either agree or you're a horrible person. That seems to be the, oh my. All right. Okay. And then Rogan's like, it's the new way of discussing things for post 2020. Moving right into that first guy. That's funny that you say that because that guy. Oh, Philip. Franklin Lee basically moved Austin on a Joe

whim right more or less Joe's like yeah so so what did he say he was out there they did a pop-up they did a pop-up restaurant and then Joe went his wife loved it he's like why don't you stay out here if I post such and such on Instagram he did it the next day the guy had like twenty thousand reservations or whatever i might be i might be misquoting the exact numbers and where they had it but i know that was something to that effect right no i think you're close he sold out for like many many months i mean how many instagram followers do you have not like fourteen million it's a lot of

i mean imagine that reach. It's huge and anything he says to I just saw him on Instagram the day talking about that monkey feet. He like basically endorsed it I think because now you can't imagine those things will probably be sold out forever. You know what I mean? So that's interesting now that people are just like I guess that's been a common thing for a while now, but it's just to have a mention on the like the biggest podcast is worth so much.

Yeah, right. Well, it's a influence is huge. I mean, if he says he likes something, you can pretty much guarantee it's gonna sell out. Right. That's just kind of how it goes. Right. And that and that's why people advertise on a show and spend a lot of money. Makes sense. I mean, I'm sure his show, I read somewhere that it's like a million dollars. Make a commercial. Makes sense. Which, that's crazy. And just to have an endorsement by him, which seems to be few and far between. I mean, he's got on it and a few other things.

But it seems like he's just now it and a few other things, but it seems that he's just now starting to expand because he sees the benefit. I'm sure of all the things that he just mentions on the pod. He's like, well, if I'm now that I have this, I don't know, I'm sure he has a manager in his ear at the time saying, but he makes genuine decisions, I think, ultimately, for products that work. That's why he supported this guy so heavily. So because he really the what did he have? He had a, was it a pasta restaurant? A pasta bar and sushi bar. And I think sushi ATX was what he had just recently developed.

And then I think he had just recently gotten out as a co partner or whatever for different reasons. But good on him. I mean, it sounds dope. I like the idea of eating at his restaurant. And he serves the same piece to everybody there. So it creates kind of like a conversation. You can imagine everyone just nodding to each other

after like, yeah, really good. There's like one asshole in there that's like, no, I don't care for it. He's like, I don't think I sucks. Who's this guy asshole in there that's like, no, I don't care for it. You're like, I got a sucks. Who's this guy? Right. That's what the, what you, but Michelin stars are a big deal, man.

I mean, your food has to be like perfect from what I understand. And that's a lot of pressure. Right. Have you ever eaten at a Michelin star spot? I think there's one actually. I think there's one right by my bar right here in Venice called Charcoal, but I'm not sure. one actually ever i think there's one right by my bar right here in venez called uh...

charcoal but i'm not sure is uh... philix philix is a bit of a panic that's that's joe's favorite restaurant is that i mean that is that a mission of star uh... i'm i don't know off the top of my head to be honest i'm sure it's if it wasn't it's got to be the most popular restaurant california this point the this whole line. This is where we need a Jimmy. Right. With two broke to get a Jimmy. Right. We'll get. All right. What does it say? Michelin guide. It's on there. Venice.

Vava. Vava. Something delicious. Oh, it doesn't say. I, you know, and I never, I, until he was talking about where Michelin came from, I never put it together. They was from the car place. I didn't even think of that for the tires So he's like they made they had this book Michelin, you know the cop tire company and then it was like drive around and try restaurants out and now it's That's so sure makes so much sense of what yeah, it's cool

Where do I don't mind not where like they made a little book of where you could go to use your tires was basically the idea, right? And then some places were worth a stop and some places were worth a long drive. I think was the idea and then however that was based on how far you drive was how they would give the Michelin star, I think. Does that sound accurate? Yeah, I guess so. All right, so I'm reading this here. This guy says, I've been to a four Michelin star restaurants. Wow. Like I didn't even know there was such thing as a four. That doesn't seem right.

And I know Michelin, da da I can say he okay So it's not a mission in star restaurant supposedly, but this Reviewer that's been to a bunch of mission and star restaurant said that it's good enough. Wow. I don't know what that means No, I guess I have not been to a mission in star restaurant. I would like to but honestly though dude to be honest and star restaurant. I would like to. But honestly, though, to be honest, often when you see that type of food that they serve at these super fancy restaurants, it's like these little dollops of stuff, you need like 50. I don't know if I'm that into it. I'm into it. I just need like four or five courses at the same time. Yeah, I feel like we go eat a steak first. Yeah. And then we go and just eat fancy little plates. But I do, I do,

I mean the food I'm sure is amazing. It would be a real treat. That's a real delicacy and a real art form to be able to make like a 15, I don't know how many course meal but whenever you're talking about a tasting menu, that's the idea that you don't just get full off one pasta dish, you get to try a multitude of things and the amount of effort that goes into each one of those things is substantial, you know. Oh, yeah, it's pretty dope. I mean, even in his journey to get that, what was he selling mortgages, professional poker player, and then works in his what, ants kitchen. Yeah, and he said he was an arach band too for a while, didn't he? Oh yeah, right. I mean, but there's something about that, right? Like look at that journey. It's it's I mean, I guess

you could take the mortgage bit out of that, but I mean, I'm sure we make good money doing that. But really, it's it's someone that's truly exploring his, in a sense, like very creative side and energy. I mean, huge investment into that sort of thing. So it's pretty amazing that by following that path and not settling for like a cubicle job, he's come to this point where he has these amazing restaurants. It's funny too that he mentioned throughout that process, even when he was three years old, his dad gifted him a chef's knife for his birthday, so it was kind of destiny. It's destiny, that is.

It sounds a little dangerous for a three-year-old, I think. Yeah, but yeah. He's said and talking about being born to do something is. And he seems so passionate about each one of his dishes and how he talks about food to it's kind of refreshing hearing really cultured chefs and really cultured guys that are good at their craft talk about it because they have a different energy to it, you know. Yeah, definitely. And also once again, and you know, we're beating a dead horse here, but listening to what he was up against during COVID,

the restrictions, how they were closing the restaurants, how he would adjust, and they still would shut him down. I mean, no wonder he went to also. And now he's found a home there. It's like, well, it's kind of heartbreaking in a way, because LA always did have amazing restaurants there. And you know, many of these people have moved to different states now and they won't be going back. And I don't think that the people that were running California really took

down the consideration because there's some some great food, great people that have left there because of what went on over there. And it's undeniable. It's true. I will say I will say it was 75 here today. And if you go down the boardwalk on a Sunday afternoon, still you wouldn't know that anything has ever happened to California. There's still 5 million people on the boardwalk. So that's a yeah, no doubt. That's kind of refreshing in some respect, but it also it is interesting seeing things boarded up and whatnot, but I think we're going to have a great summer. We're going to bounce back. That said, that's some positive stuff.

I think I think you're right, though, like what would entice people that have moved out of the state, realize that they're probably playing way less taxes in Texas. There's way less headaches, I'm sure, as far as getting permits and all the other bullshit that goes along with it. Why would they ever have any incentive to want to come back? That doesn't really make sense. Well, my worry would just be that could you afford to close down again?

No. And what are you going to have the government of the state give you something in writing, saying they won't close you down? Well, it's like, how could you ever trust them again? That's the thing too, man. I think that a lot of the air that's been put into the government has kind of gotten taken out of the power because it was supposed to be on the 17th of this month. Everybody was supposed to be wearing in 95 masks that were in the service industry. We've been out to eat a handful of time since then and I bartend at

two restaurants and I have not seen one employee wearing in 95 masks. I'm saying that. Is that right? I'm saying that with all due respect. I love the fact that that's not going on. I couldn't imagine. Like, how would you even have a conversation with a waiter or waitress bartender. There were an N95 mask. It's a hard enough thing to try and have a conversation with a fricking mask on as it is to where surgical mask and try and like have a back and forth system possible. I don't know. Yeah. I guess if there's not music being played, maybe, if it's loud at all in the bar, that's a nightmare.

It's so difficult to hear when through certain masks, when there's a lot of noise. Right, so yeah, it creates a big problem. I think that's why they had those shields for a while. And that shield stuff was just nonsense. When I saw that, I'm'm like what are we welders? What's going on here? It's gonna be any oh this is a this is a spit. This is a rabies It's gonna float around in the air. What are you doing?

It said I was a Interesting time the shields time I will say I haven't seen too many though. Yeah, they're she didn't seem too many those I never won I never once wore shield ever I have any I had one one one One shift where one of my managers tried to do it And I just were a frontward is that and ward on top and I was like that should keep me safe Close enough. Yeah, oh, no that was in an outside right obviously we tell us that's what he was talking about He's like whenever we subs we he's like we survived and we build the sushi bar outside there in Santa Monica I think he says where it was and he's like we were flourishing. We were making it happen even under those restrictions

And then he's like when they pulled that apart They virtually made it impossible for anybody's to just succeed. I mean they dug everybody deep in the hole So yeah, I mean, we know all about this right far too well. And it's yeah, it's still heartbreaking. Right. It just really is. And we know people that have really suffered from and lost a lot if not everything. You saw that when they've worked off, not that islands is a great spot, but you saw that islands that was right across the street from my house that had been there for, I mean, it was like a staple for 50 years or something. They couldn't afford to pay their lease just recently within the past three, four months.

That's brutal. Whatever. That shows you what it does. Sorry, I interrupt. I mean, if a corporate business can't afford the rent, that's saying something. That's not a little mom in pop shop. That's a Chili's, an islands, a TGI Friday. It's saying we gotta shut our doors.

We can't afford the rent, because we're not hard, you know? Yeah. It's a big deal. And when it's been in Venice that long, too, I mean, it's the reasons that people love to go to Venice. Right. It's like they forgot that, oh, people would just go there anyway. They're like, hey, the beach is good, but it's part of all these other reasons that

the white people go there. Right. Lastly, could you believe that a fish that they buy for sushi costs three quarters of a year? 736 Gs. Yeah. I mean, what are you selling to play that with that? How much is each piece piece like a hundred dollars?

I want to see with size piece is that a sliver because he was talking about how much you can get out of a tuna And he was talking about the portion sizes and whatnot and how it breaks down you must be making I mean if you're buying it for 300 bucks a pop you're probably selling it for 3,000 So I mean yeah, I mean I guess as only a tiny piece of fish. I guess. Asushi belt, right? I don't know. But still, my God, like a million dollars for a fish. No wonder we're overfishing the oceans. Maybe I should become a fish. That's a good idea. I will say that what he was talking about to the inventory situation, I found that interesting because in order to inventory a restaurant, I always found that

to be something that could be difficult because you don't know what to order as far. I mean, you can go on past experience, but you got to get that past experience in the first place, especially when you're opening a new restaurant. So in order to order a non-adaptive. But he was talking about having that tasting kitchen and the tasting menu. So you know, I had certain portions that you just bring out the next item. So you would already know how much portion control to have. But it seems like that would be a big issue in a lot of places, you know.

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I would like to try his place, though. It sounds, well, it sounds like we're never getting that. Yeah, at this point, we probably to, we'll make reservations for 2023. We'll get them on the pods, see what we can do. That's it. That's it. All right, let's jump over to Ben Patrick,

the knees over Toes Guy. This guy might be one of my new heroes. Yeah, I was curious to see what you thought about him. I followed his Instagram for a while. I can't remember where I first heard of it, probably, Rogan. And yeah, those exercises seem really interesting. And he too.

So it seems like a lot of it is pulling things and walking backwards. And pushing this way. And that somehow strengthens your legs. Well, you've heard about that, like, rocking situation. Have you just put something heavy on your back and walk around?

They've made a lot of mention about how dramatic that can be. And I'd say that one of the main things that we miss from the traditional gem over at Golds is having that sled. And he's religious about that sled talking that he's like, no matter what, seven days a week we're doing the sled forward, backwards, the whole nine and just putting stress on the back end, I always push it.

So I need to, I think pulling it and he always talks about your tips, the front of your legs, like your shins, that how I'm vital of a muscle that is and how much we neglect it. I think it's got to be something I'm going to start focusing on for sure because that's pretty I mean the fact that he can dunk a basketball. That's always been a lifelong dream of mine and he's doing It's insane. He's got a D1 scholarship at 23. I don't know if you know what that means. Yeah, those videos him dunking was pretty absurd, but absurdity out of nowhere. Just boom. Yeah, like one step and he's no problem He was talking about how a freak athletes jump on certain machines that he's been working on for years to get up to a certain spot

And pro athletes will start where he has been working on But now that he can like hang with him and he's I mean he's 30 years old and he's like I can still hang with DBs and corners in the NFL That's why pro athletes are reaching out to him all the time. I mean, he's Goggins, he's on a Goggins level, for sure. Different angle, but same level, for sure. But it's kind of interesting that there was so much pushback. Yeah, I don't know. For him, like, definitely from his coaches and the literature,

I would have felt like, you know, you got to think like scientists come up with new theories that go against what's accepted and then it's hard for them to get their new theory in and you know, there's a lot of that in any type of industry and like the new guy with a new idea, they don't always like it. But I would imagine as a coach, you're going to take really almost whatever your super athletes come in with and be like, yeah, let's integrate this. That's the least explored. Let's try it. It might be useful. I mean, what if we did that not fast? It's a life, huh? I mean, but yeah, it's kind of that we have this old school mentality and so many industries that it just really hinders the growth clearly. I mean, but yeah, it's kind of that we have this old school mentality and so many industries that it just really hinders the growth clearly.

I mean, you can see that evident in a variety of companies and whatnot. You'll find one new angle and make a ton more revenue. It's like, why would you not want your athletes to explore all options? I mean, people thought yoga was the dumbest thing forever, right? That was just a hippie thing. And now people appreciate yoga. And it's just, it takes like a certain somebody to say that it's cool or something. But my brother and I have been training differently than a lot of people too. Like with, when you talk about the hip stuff, like a lot of the inner working muscles that you don't focus on and a lot of flexibility has a lot of impact on your output, I think.

Yeah, I mean, Hicks and Gracie was a big yoga guy and took it very seriously and now there's no taboo in the jujitsu community and these are really tough guys. And when people talk about, oh, I do, no one goes, oh, you do, you don't really appreciate it. It's like everyone wants to be doing it if they do jujitsu, if they can find time because they know the benefits. He was the best ever.

Well, I thought about that whole rice thing too, or whatever it is, rice, or, elevate, or compression elevate was the old school always if you got it, if you got hurt. But I've always had the mentality, even like he said, like motion within that stuff, because when he let it just sit, it just swells up and it just gets worse. It seems like you need to be putting consistent motion and consistent blood flow on those spots. That makes them so much more sense. Yeah, I was always confused with the ice thing with maybe because, right, okay, so you cut yourself, right? Or you bang your knee. Your knee swells up, the cut swells up, and it all goes red.

Well, it does that because the blood is going there to kind of fix the area. So then you're going to ice it and remove all the blood. I never understood why that worked, but I just assumed it did because people told me that it was a good thing to do. I almost feel like isn't heat better, isn't maybe sauna with a bad knee better. I would say that heat sometimes makes the, I think it almost makes it expand some because when I've had some swollen things and I've tried to go in the hot tub, I've noticed that it expands. I think cold is good for any kind of inflammation. I don't know about ice.

I just don't know, but there's got to be a happy medium somewhere I imagine with. Yeah, but I do like the idea of keeping a moving, you know, even if it's really injured, you know, I kind of tweaked my knee a little bit snowboarding yesterday. I went for the first time. So of course, you know, I was terrible. And you're going to hurt yourself. And it, but it wasn't bad. It wasn't like bad injuries.

And when I hit the gym this morning, I was like, well, I don't want to really run. I feel like, I don't know if my knee, you know, when your knees feel a bit unstable, you're like, I don't know, or am I? But I just got on the bike. Low impact kept to move in. I was like, it's probably best I move it rather than just

do nothing. I would think so. I think stagnant. I think that's totally true. I don't, I think that you ought to get blood flow throughout those areas. That's got to be what I've been. I even. Yeah, that blood. Even watching I was catching up on a lot of his Instagram videos and looking at some of his posts and just I was even down in the courts today just trying some neat stuff and some flexibility stuff. It's definitely going to be some things that I'll incorporate for sure. Just his outlook on life. His outlook on life too, man, the way he was talking about just wanting to help people and his sincerity that came through was so genuine.

I don't think it took Joe off guard, but it was just kind of, I don't know, not sentimental, but the way that he was talking was just, I could really appreciate it. It was somebody that you would want your kid to like look up to as far as the coach goes, I think, you know? Yeah, I mean, his integrity with it, too, like even saying, oh, I don't do massages, and I don't do the cold plunge, you'll or the sauna because I want to make sure my exercises alone are the right way. I mean, that's kind of like a scientific process in a sense. I mean, he's removing variables that help him and he doesn't even take supplements.

Indic vitamins to it. He had totally. Yeah. I mean, he is dedicated to this work and it sounds like he's getting great results. I mean, I don't think this is a fat. I think that what he's doing is very beneficial training. Without a doubt. And the fact that it's getting people that have been told that they never, you know, run again or they never be able to exercise in these certain ways because of these injuries, like moving is beautiful.

That's such a great thing that he's able to do. Right. How inspiring is that that he did that with the two hurt knees? That's what made him go out and discover something that would make it a potential for him to play basketball because that was his lifelong dream, you know. For sure. And then Joe had a great message at the end where he kind of backed him up. And he's like, it's not always about following money. Right. You know, the investment

is doing what you want to do in keeping that integrity in how you do it. And I'm sure that's something in a sense he thinks about a lot with the podcast, with other things. I'm sure if he had a producer, if Joe did, they tell him, hey, maybe don't mention this as controversial, don't have this guest, then you'll have bigger ad revenue. He's like, fuck you. You know, Joe doesn't do that. And so integrity is something that really resonates with him with Ben that came on. And it's kind of a reminder too. It's hard to do it. It's hard because people will push back against you. You may in the short term lose some opportunities because of it, but I think overall in the long term you're going to sleep better, you're going to give a better message,

and more importantly people would trust you. They would trust what you said. It was so refreshing. Yeah, I mean so refreshing for him to say that he wasn't on Social media for so long and then just a couple of his buddies knew how important this stuff what said he was doing And they were like you should probably get on social media and just like why weren't you on social media and he was He goes I think you could probably come up with a thousand reasons, why not to be on social media and they both kind of had a chuckle about it. Which, I mean, it kind of makes you reflect on it. You kind of envy those people sometimes that are separated from it completely. And I mean, you're pretty good at that. I give a lot of credits

with Alicia about that, but some of us are just, I mean, I don't even know if I'm in that category where I'm completely addicted, but it feels that way sometimes, you know, it's, you know, there's a lot to it. You know, with me, though, it's mostly that I'm lazy, right? And my intention, in some reason, is not drawn to it. So when anyone's ever given me credit for mostly staying off it and not really caring about it at all, it's just because it just,

it doesn't have, I think, the same dopamine rush for me that other people get. If it did, I'd be glued to it too. So there's nothing special I'm doing. I just, it doesn't work. It's good to be conscious of that, because you could see how different social media affects different personality types

I mean it's pretty blatant in some regard, but It's interesting that you could say that because I think that there's a lot of Correlation that goes with that but Anyhow, yeah, I mean I can't tell you how many friends I've had that just out of nowhere We're like oh, I'm getting off social media for a while. They even like post that message, which I think is the most ridiculous thing. I'm like, what are you making a statement? Do you want us to write you and say we're going to miss you? Please come back. What are you doing? Please come back. And then they're like, oh, I'm back on it again. I'm back on it. I'm like, what are you doing? I was holding my breath this whole time. But it just kind of does it like explains a lot more of a story

that it's not just that they're in and out. It's like yeah it was weighing on them. It was stressing them because it has that responsive message I guess if you put too much weight on how people respond to you on there it becomes a whole thing and I'm look, I got enough things to stress out about in life. I don't need to add. What a weird thing is. And what about us?

As humans, we worry so much about what other people think about us, what in reality, 99.9% of the time, nobody's thinking about any other shit, except what's going on in their own life. And how they're, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like high school for out there. Yeah, we worry so much about what people think. And then by the time we're out of high school, we realize, oh, nobody noticed those.

You can build a whole story up in your head with a fucking Instagram, like comment about where somebody was coming from. And they could have just been sitting on the toilet just firing away whatever the hell came to their mind. And that could dictate the rest of your day, you know. No doubt. It's interesting. Yeah, absolutely not doubt.

For sure. Whenever I wanted to pay note to this when I thought about his Goggins moment was basically him saying the no social media thing but then also about not having any entertainment for a year when he said no Netflix, no sports, no any outside entertainment whatsoever. I was like that's a fucking Goggins on Goggins right there to some extent. I know it's only entertainment and I know it's only TV and you can say that but that's become someone natural thing that we all just fall back on and for him to take that time out to say I'm not doing that. I'm just going to go walk my kid where I'm going to go do a hobby and not have any of this outside stuff. That's going to make

your days so much longer, you know. Well, he's definitely a very disciplined guy, even saying that what, he didn't have a cheat meal at all for a year or something. I mean, I respect it. I'm like, wait, not even one one. I was that's the only thing that I come back to on his whole on his whole persona. He like sneaks he sneaks at the retail. I'm just like I want to read. I'm eating food today thinking about him. I'm like I can get on board with every single thing you said but I like to enjoy as well. That's when Joe's like that's kind of could say, I like that part of it, but I also like the reward of like food, because food, good food is I like good food. I want to tell you.

Yeah. I ate a giant pizza today, so I'm with it on that. Now it did slow it down. It's like really slowed me down for a few hours, but it's worth it. It's fun. All right. On the same kick of social media and the scary parts of it, let's jump over to Dr. Robert Epstein

and let's freak ourselves out for a minute. Google Ranzo World. Dude, I tell you what, I unplugged my Alexa when I heard this podcast. Yeah. I mostly only use Alexa to play rain sounds when I'm sleeping. I don't know what. Maybe that's a British thing.

I just miss the rain. Meanwhile, but that's pretty much all I use it for. And I went, oh, that's it. I'm unplugging it. This guy is freaking me out. Meanwhile, they're just sucking up all your data. When he was talking about all those free apps that he kind of put in quotations,

and he's like, those free apps just mean that they're taking your freedom from you. And they can skew elections, and they can skew your every advertisement that comes your way. They can basically skew your mental makeup and how you think about things was really friggin

Overwhelming the way he described it. Yeah, well, well simultaneously putting a profile together of like who you are What you're gonna do what you want to buy? How you think where you're going when he said they were like What did he say like three million pages of data on each person if you've used the internet for like more than 10 years? It's like, what? And you think you eat? I can't imagine how stupid my 3 million pages are like. Oh, really? Goodness. The dumb shit that I Google.

The Gook. And it's all there. I was gonna see Google definitely think so many days. Well, it seems like every single thing is recorded at this point. You know, every single thing he said, you can go back and he said that things have been brought up that basically I think Alexa, I could be chopping this up, but somehow they brought in data for some case on something that was heard on one of these kind of devices, right? Basically you're walking around. Oh yeah, and the cold. Right, you're

walking around with a microphone in your pocket the whole time at any given time. If they want to call you up on something like, oh yeah, remember when you were a hammered on the Thursday and you said you didn't like fucking Donald Trump or something? Who knows what they could use to throw it you know? No doubt well, I guess with us all anyone needs to do is listen to the hundreds of hours of nonsense that we've spoken on this Pog. You make it pretty easy, but Yeah, we make it real easy for them to cancel. We don't want we don't want it It's like what did you say we don't want to cut any corners with just making it easy here, but for everybody else it Yeah, it is it is scary stuff though, for sure.

I mean... Well, Joe, Joe Keb... Yeah, I don't know what to figure out. Joe Keb asking questions to like talk whenever they were talking about how that one hacker basically churned off the internet for X amount of time for four hours or something. And he's like, so there's a switch to the internet. And then Robert kind of comes back at him. And he's like kind of indirectly answered the question, but he said everything, some substantially, or subsequently comes back to Google no matter what is basically what I gathered. Is that what you gathered? Yeah, that sounds like

an unbelievable amount of power in the hands of Google. And when he said, I figured it out, the reason they did it on a Saturday morning is because the markets were closed. And the markets would have been the one thing that would have pushed back because they would have noticed it. I mean, sneaky stuff. I mean, almost like a test just to see, hey, do we have like the power of God?

Because if you control the internet like that, that is about the most power you can have at this point. He may reference to Orwell II and he said about information being God. And I didn't really take that in until he said it. But whatever information you're dispersing amongst communities and whatnot is God case and point what's going on right now, right? Yeah. And I mean, Google is going more or less.

It seems to be the narrative. And it's he was like if Zuckerberg would have went in there and said go go vote. Remember when they were talking about and said go go vote. Remember when they were talking about that part about go vote and how it could have sown. Right. Right. All the people on the right or the left, which it probably did skew a lot of people on the right because it seems that a lot of these tech companies that we've spoke on are obviously a lot more progressive and I'll put that in quotations nowadays because it seems like a lot of those people that are quote unquote progressive just picking shoes the topics they want to be

progressive on it like leave dead people on the side of the road just because it doesn't fit their story. Yeah that was wild like what did he say he could have changed maybe 400,000 weeks and what was it Georgia? Yeah and he was talking about how you can just skew public opinion with just a couple of clicks, you know, he's like it doesn't take. Now, now here's something that's interesting. So, Zuckerberg is going on Lex Friedman's show. I saw that.

Zuckerberg doesn't do many of these. And recently, Lex was given a bit of a hard time about not asking tough questions and even Rogan brought it up. He's like, well, it's not really Lex's style. Just interviews, but he doesn't really push him. It's gonna be really interesting to see if Lex asks him that question about the Georgia issue.

Now, maybe that's too heavy. Why didn't you put the ads out or could you have done it? Or is that a thing you do? I don't know if Lex is going to push that, but I would love for him to ask that question. Well, I don't know if you saw the put. I mean, it's out there. He knows of it. I don't know.

It's on the table. So we'll see. You know, he listens to Rogan. If you saw the text that Friedman just put up recently, he said, I think you probably read the same thing. I did. I'm gonna have mark zucker burger on next week please email me any of your questions or concerns that you'd like me to discuss with him i bet he's getting fucking bombarded right now with just

dm's out the wazoo about questions people have ooooo that is good maybe we should do it with it should we write it less writing say i'm dead we ask that question i'll do it. Should we write it? Let's write it. We ask that question. I'll do it. That's a good idea because I'm sure we're not the first people thinking of that, but I mean, it's a great idea because then if you really want to tackle the hard questions, I just as powered, it seems as power the main thing that all these guys are after it because I mean, how many billions do you want at one point in time? Is it are you addicted to that?

Are you just think that your virtues and your mindset are that much better than everybody else that you should have that much more of an impact on everybody's life? Or is it just, see, I think, I think money really is just another word for power. He just happens to indirectly represent it, but I think really what everyone is always chasing is power rather than money. Because in a sense money gives you that, it gives you some control, it gives you freedom, it gives you, it allows you to do more of the things that you would want to do because you have money. So really it's not

the money, that's just the thing that gets you what you want, what you want is the power, right? I guess you can look at that and like higher up you'll like I don't know an ant colony ants don't give a fuck about money but they probably want power right I don't know well they want it they want to control their environment they don't want to get invaded they don't want to get wiped out and they want lots of resources so in a sense yeah, yeah, I mean, well, think about it. If you had tons of money, which everyone kind of wants, and that would be great, how could you use it without leveraging power? I mean, hopefully in a perfect world, philanthropy, right? You get all the gold and get dispersion amongst the people and make everybody good. Yeah, but you know,

you're still going to buy a dope house and a bunch of you knowing you like 14,000 scapegoats or whatever you want. Well, you asked me how to how to solve it. I'm trying to provide you a like solutions here. I get it. But I get it. I don't know the way he was describing it too. Like that one story that was, I know, this was a tough one. And it was a tough moment in that when he was talking about conspiracy

and how he gave that one speech at some college or something and somebody approached him and said, Hey, Mr. Epstein, I think you're going to die within a month or something like that. And then his, and then oh, yeah, he said that was a, I think a district. Oh, yeah, some, some politician or something that maybe a district attorney and then he said what, and then he's like, has that little quiet moment and then a couple of minutes go by and he's like, but my wife did. And it was like, well, that was just a silent moment

that you had to take a step back where it was all these conspiracies or is there some relativity to some of this stuff? It seems like even if half the shit's true, that's the scary part, because not to bring up like Alex Jones or any of these like quote unquote conspiracy theories, but you spit out so much shit.

Even if half that shit comes up for a wish and that's still a fucking crazy spot to live in, you know what I mean? He was one of the most intense little moments on the pod. I don't think Joe knew what to say. I don't think you knew. He like that. That. Yeah.

I mean, what could you say? That's heavy, heavy stuff stuff so you think about the impact the impact that he has just by speaking out on this is pretty courageous I wonder what kind of blowback he gets or if he's just like just a snowden of this subject then I don't know I don't know how that works people got a fun well I think it's a smart move to get the word out there this is kind of what Snowden did, right? He knew that he was gonna be in trouble. So by laying it all on the line He almost could protect himself though he did after move to Russia. So it wasn't great

But maybe this guy, you know, maybe other agencies will start looking into this stuff And he won't be the only one and the pressure won't be on him. It sounds like there should be these sorts of checks and balances. I mean, what he's doing with those kind of agents all over the country and then they monitor their data and see how those results come back. I think that's a great idea, especially if no one is keeping an eye on this. 100% it's creepy stuff. The fact that it's creepy. Fact that there is no checks and balances. Seems like there's a reason for that. You know,

I think that other than him, nobody's thought that these companies are even doing right. Right. It's so, yeah, I don't know how to put it in the words. It's so skewed the way that they can manipulate information in a way that they want to. So easily, just by wording and who they get it out to, and the vast audience that they can either monetize and shut down or pump up and make more of a, I don't want to say impact, but more like a social media splash. You know what they have, they have the ability to do that. It seems like.

Yeah, no doubt. I mean, one thing he said, 70% of the videos that people watch on YouTube are from that next up algorithm, which I guess we all assume is, is like related to the thing that we've looked at or other things that we've looked at. is like related to the thing that we've looked at or other things that we've looked at. But if you think about it, they only have to get remotely close. Right.

Even if you're watching, let's say you're just watching food videos, right? Hypothetically, right? You're just watching food be made and you're really into it. Then all of a sudden, the next up next is some chef that talks while he's making the food, but he has a bit of a spin on a certain subject and he throws that down. And then you're like, that's kind of interesting. And then the next video up is actually more

to do with the subject he was discussing than the food. That's the construed real quickly. You'll go down a rabbit hole and then you're like, maybe the earth is for us. This is the blue color chef. Oh, that's the conservative chef. is the blue color chef oh that's the conservative chef oh that's the that's the QAnon chef oh the earth is flat chef wouldn't take long wouldn't take long huh I could see that I mean it wouldn't to like a young person you can see who's really you can see how that can get out of hand kind of yeah that that that's a real problem so look I hope this guy comes on again I would love an update from him

a year from now and on top of that I hope that he not only gets more research funding but other people start doing this just to keep an eye on these because there's there's no oversight there's no government oversight for these big tech companies and They kind of needs to be especially because today they're in control of basically cancel culture They can turn off the people's Instagram Twitter they can do whatever they want did you that's a little I don't like just a little tip in or finish it up here But did you see that Neil Young said that he was gonna pull himself up spot a five?

They didn't pull Rogan or something that if you gave it ultimatum enough. I'm just thinking to myself spot a pie I was like bye Like there's like there's a no brainer. Sorry, but bye Well, let's look up Neil Young real quick and let's see how many streams he gets per month on Spotify on Spotify because it will show okay, so he gets six million month six million monthly lessons, right? What do you think Rogan at least five gets per month at least five or six thousand I imagine 5 to get per month at least 5 or 6,000 I imagine T. Rogen's getting just kidding

Rogan's getting probably what 5 to 10 million and episode yeah so many episodes Oh, maybe less because it's exclusively Spotify now, but Let's say it's close to that. Let's say it's last. Let's say it's like 5 million But he's doing four episodes a week and that's 16 episodes and I mean the numbers are astronomically said that to my buddy I was like Neil young has some bad advisors because if you're gonna pull yourself off six million Whatever and making that money just to prove your point your advisors are some knuckleheads because you might as well Just take the money and move along but this is not a place to make here. It's just it's almost like honestly it's just a thing to say to get you in

the presence. It's probably a way for him just uh maybe his publicist was like look Neil young nobody's talking about you anymore. What don't you just say something like this and then and then get some art. That's so smart. You don't even think that angle, but that's so smart. I wouldn't, you gotta be a press guy to think that far in advance. That's good. That's well thought out. No doubt, you never know.

You never know. Anyway, um, some exciting news for next week. Garrett is going to have his podcast studio setup, which is pretty good. And that should take care of some audio issues that we occasionally have. So that's great. And you know, with a lot of this and kind of COVID feeling like it's coming to the end, I mean, I don't know about you, man, but I'm feeling a bit more optimistic about everything.

I'm ready for it. I feel like it's cleaning up. We're back to getting back to some real normal life. And I'm pretty sure that if something big, like the craziness of the last few years happens again, we're going to deal with it in a much more sensible way. Because they can have no choice. because people are going to push back. I agreed. I love it. One more of it. Yeah.

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