Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 260 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Steven Koonin Et al.

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

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Join us always By my co-host sidekick Garrett Garrett. How are you doing, buddy? What's up, buddy? Happy, uh, happy days. Happy Wednesday. Love the day late, putting this together. Just as I'm, it happens, folks. She get busy. We jump on the hot, or lazy. It's a combination. Cold weather out there, hot weather out here. You never know.

It's a counterbalance. It's it. I get stuck in stuck in the snowman sometimes I don't want to do a I hear you podcast All right, we got a cash Sing he is one of did I say it right? I think it's a gosh, but we'll call whatever you want a gosh. Okay, damn it Akash sorry, bud. He's one of Andrew Schultz guys Does that podcast with him Which I haven't I've seen some of them. I watched a lot of the Alex Jones one Just because he's such a wild man. It's it's just like he got to watch him. You got to see what what's going on They had it. They have great chemistry. I think they've had them on twice. Yeah

Oh, that's great. Andrews. Yeah, they had them on and and Yeah, absolutely. I right after listening to the Akash when I went and sought out some of their podcasts and I've been listening to Their dynamic. I think there's like three or four of them. They they pull it off. They don't talk over each other, which is awesome It's everybody lets each other talk and obviously they all make their they're really good dynamic with each other. It's good Well, it's impressive because they have a lot of people in that room, right and You know, often there's like four of them kind of mic'd up even though it's really a cash in Andrew that are the main voices. But they really bring in a lot of good stand up skill sets by going on their rants and

then creating breaks for the other people to talk. And then they just play off each other so well. That's great. It's a good show. They're very funny, but they're also very smart guys. It's like freestyle show that they're very very funny, but they're also very smart guys. It's held on it's like free style comedy to some extent I think you know, I mean, it's like their freestyle or I'm a comedy and they get spoiled and you're as such a deep knowledge of what's going on and I think a car

I think it's been a good introspective watching him know I don't know where he gets all of his knowledge and where he does his research, but he's pretty well versed on a lot of current events, you know, which is I think that's a big part of really having your hand on the pulse when it comes to stand up comedy because you're in front of a crowd, right? And everybody is kind of knowing what's going on at the time. Like what's in the news, what people are talking about, what's happening with sports. And so it's just a good marker for these guys and gals out there doing stand up in that space,

did know it because then you can just kind of off the cuff bring up things that are happening. Everyone's already thinking about, make fun of it, point out silly things, like it's good comedy that way. Because everybody's- Make a lot of material. I mean, you're up to the minute, almost at this point,

like right before you're about to go sit on that stool and have those conversations, if you're on your phone or you're going through Instagram or whatever, you're already caught up on all the issues immediately, you know? Like- Right, within five minutes, you're already there. You're already formed in opinion, you already had a thought about it and you've already kind of got your own little dialogue developed in your head about how you feel about something

before within minutes, you know. Yeah, and that's how these guys can form ideas. I mean, if you watch much of Andrew of Andrew Short stuff that he posts to Instagram He does so much crowd work. I think that both these guys do and That's a hell of a skill set to have But a big part of what makes it work is they can pull from From things happening all the time and and just kind of go with it Absolutely being caught caught up on pop culture and having those

metaphors and I mean that's what makes for a great comedy. In the way they support each other is just it's a nice little click they have over there for sure. They seem tight for sure. I I didn't watch a cash is stand up. I haven't seen it but I know but the one about a poo a boot. Yeah, that's who from the Simpsons and it's supposed to be controversial I wanted to kind of get as like an idea for like what people get and I'm set about I'm sure it's gonna be one of those Silly like council culture things anyway, but no, I didn't get around to watching it So I was like damn I was supposed to do what you hear how he about it? He goes, I think it was a poo as well, not to

whatever, but a poo. What did I say? I think you're just saying, Gliss, you're flutter. It's okay, but but he was talking about how Indians weren't represented in any kind of Hollywood Indians weren't represented in any kind of Hollywood scene whatsoever. And he was like, that was the one guy that I could attach myself to. And he was a really good guy. Like, he made reference to what kind of a good character a poo was and how he was almost the definition of the American dream, you know? Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, he came over here.

Yeah, you're right. There weren't many Indian guys in shows that I could think no, especially like in the 90s and before it was always just the 7-11 guy You know the like stereotypical thing so to and granted that was what he was in the Simpson show But he was a lot more than that. He's like a family man. He like successful guy fairly funny witty Like providers a lot of other like character attributes that were not being portrayed prior to. So he was like, he's trying to make that into a good thing and then like a lot of rich white kids that are progressive or something are trying to like diminish him making light of somebody that he may have looked up through a throughout his childhood in a weird angle.

Yeah, I guess he now knows Russell Peters. Rand, he's been kind of a mentor, a bit of a mentor to him. I mean, that guy's such a badass. And what I love about it is everyone likes him too. What did Rogan say if Russell doesn't like someone, I don't even need to know why. I just count him out. I love that statement. Like he always is. I have some folks like that in my life. I think we all do. We've talked about character and how important it is and how you can lean on a lot of your buddies to introduce you

to some other good buddies. And we fall short short from time to time but if you if you got something to say like that about a good friend man that's that holds a lot of clout. I think it's useful because you know you kind of outsource a bit of that judgment to someone else like you you don't always have time to get to know everybody right and if someone can just straight up tell you someone you know and trust really well and you've always kind of understood their angle and you know the kind of person they are and they're like like that dude is a bad dude right I mean it's especially if you know from that person it's unlike like they don't talk shit about people all the time then it

means something you're like oh this red that they even say this. There must be something about this person that's, I gotta be wary. When she say, I think that's kind of a personality trait, but I will say as you're getting older, you realize who you really want to vouch for. Like that means a lot more to you, maybe then what, what you would say when you're like, 20, I know this guy,

but it's like, and when you get a little bit older, you're like, I need to sift through the bullshit and I wouldn't just send you in. That's why like, like, I prefer voice referral or whatever you want to call it as word of mouth is the most prevalent and most established thing and always has been always will be. Well, it goes a long way when you've known somebody for like decades as well, which starts to happen in your life eventually. Like you have those friends, you still keep contact with them from high school and when you turn 40, those friendships are so valuable because you know that person throwing through

it, like as much as you could. What was, they were talking for a while about just like doing the hard things right getting in the comedy really struggling I guess his parents wanted him to be like a doctor or something else and he was pre-med. He was pre-med up. He was pre-med. He was pre-med. It's great though. It seems, I mean, the only other guy that I can remake reference to you remind me of a Z's obviously and it seems like those guys

We're gonna be successful regardless. They will never it's an interesting thing when you think about race and like I've never seen like a Indian bomb now that I'm thinking about it Indian bomb. Well, they the, have you, the parents? With all the rest of them? Well, I mean, I lived in Sri Lanka, so I saw homeless people there. And they were, they're not Indian, but they were singly.

It's like, I mean, make it over here. They're like, no, no, no, that's not even a, not even an option, not even a, not even a possible. Yeah, it seems like often they have parents that are, we will succeed. So really understand the like the work ethic part of what it takes to, you know, because they came from a poorer country.

Absolutely. And then they move here and then they see opportunity and it's like, hey, don't waste this. Right. So when they're like, I wanna be a stand-up comedian, you're like, that's not a proper job. Sure, it is for some, but for a lot of people, it's not gonna work.

I know, his dad, even now that you've made this special and have become fairly successful at what you're doing, he's like, I think he still wants me to be a doctor. Mm-hmm, right. It's still reasonable. But you know, it was one day. One day they should. I think you just have this threat But I get it. I a part of me would get that if I had kids and I've always had silly jobs and follow my passion

They even though that I would want that to be the energy I put out like look I want to support you no matter what there's still a part of me that's like Gotta make sure yeah, but they got maybe something to fall back on and, you know. I still want to. I mean, it's hard. It's hard to do well in life. So to take those risks and be like, I'm just going to be an artist, that's it. And then there's kind of no backup.

As a parent, I get why that would make you nervous, right? It makes sense. And I think that's kind of universal. It doesn't matter across the board. I don't know that there's a whole lot of other parents that are just like all right yeah chase that acting career maybe I think yeah that's not like racist yeah it's like everyone's thinking that it makes you protecting your kids makes sense it's not like a one-off know. I did like the line that he quoted from the Fresh Prince back in the day when, you know, the like the adopted parents,

because he lived with his aunt and son. I remember him saying that. And he goes, I think we work so hard to give our kids what we didn't have, we forgot to give them what we did. It's so true. And that's a great line, I think. I think that if people could remember that when they're in a position of, I mean, it doesn't really relate to that many people because it's basically talking about parents that grew

up poorer, now are very wealthy, and they're passing lessons to their kids, the kind of hope that they don't become spoiled brats. But it's still a clever line. I got to tell you, even watching him, you can tell that he still has so much character and somehow in some cultures. I just don't feel like the character or the... I don't know, it just seems so much more deeper with the culture and a lot of other and a lot of other cultures. Well, a lot of it's just that it's different. But it's like just the different culture.

True. True. The way he was... But yeah, there's like different values. Different cultures have like different value structures. We're used to the ones here, or the ones for me back in England. So when you hear the way people organize in their way of life in a different culture, it's cool to pull from it and be like, oh, that would be great to add that into the way that I think will behave or kind of interact.

You're fairly well traveled. I am too. I think that it's interesting when I've submerged myself into other cultures, I've been so welcomed in so many ways that it is interesting seeing like, I I don't know I don't want to call it white America But it doesn't seem like we embrace each other as much as like when I've been to other Summers myself in Central America in other places. It's seem like they've been a lot more welcoming personally Yeah, I could I could see that as being true. I mean, but Americans are fairly welcoming.

I mean, it's just like if you land in New York City, you're in a giant city. And let's say you're French and you land there. I mean, it's kind of a different feel than when you get to like a beach town in some, you know, in Mexico. They're like, there's less people. They can focus on you and say hi and make you feel kind

of more welcome. That's true. But Americans are pretty well. They're more welcoming and friendly in a lot of ways than British people are. I remember when I moved into my neighborhood in Albuquerque, just outside of Albuquerque. Our neighbors came over with a a big basket of like fruit and like pastries and stuff and they were like welcome to the neighborhood.

I'd never heard of anything. Like, I don't think any English person has done anything like that. They might come up with a cup of tea and tell you to keep your dog off that lawn. That's about it. I mean, I'm not saying they're all miserable over there. That's good. I haven't heard that. That's good to hear. That's good to hear. I think that everybody's trying to change their own narrative. And hopefully, like, catastrophic events will make you realize how good you have it. And like,

I guess your dog can pee on my lawn. There we go. We need a volcano to hit. Were they talking about those comedians that were like one got killed, one got arrested for saying a joke in a different country? That's so fucking unbelievable. That did just get that over comedy. I was telling you that he made mention of that. I think that might have inspired my CNN reach out on YouTube, but he said that somebody got, and then right after he said that within three days, he said that he said that on Rogan, and I watched him and Andrew, their podcast

after it was like two days later, he's like after I said it on Rogan, it came up on CNN, interestingly enough. Oh, they're like, yeah, after he talked about it, he talked about it on. Yeah, it's like so interesting. How one brick can like knock down the next one. Like, that's the thing about news, too. You made reference to what we talked about the Rogan situation. And it's like, it literally seems like in the rear view mirror now, because it's like, what's next? It's always what's

next. But when you're, it's, I almost I almost imagine that I mean CNN's numbers are so bad right now I imagine that they they're not even going out the fine news They just sit there listening to Rogan's podcast and they're like great. What can we pitch about? What do we got what do we got what do we got? What do we go? Let's see if he fucks up Rogan likes sex with horses Yeah, that's what we've decided. You're like, wait.

What? He said he likes to hunt elk. What? Yeah. He said he rode a horse. They just spin it straight into chaos. Like, who is watching this? I mean, that's what it feels desperate.

Like, eventually it's going to feel very desperate. Where you're like, how much? What I love what's happening right now, and I don't know if Russell Brand does this on purpose, but he does this interesting thing where basically Rogan says something, CNN reports on it. Rogan doesn't get back to it because he stays out of it. He's like, I'm not gonna bring this up unless it really

pisses me off. So he just leaves it. But then Russell brand does a breakdown video comparing like what Rogan said and where it is to like what's happening in the news and CNN and it just makes them look stupid. It's like Rogan doesn't even have to do anything now. He's just like, yeah, but Russell will take care of it. I think it's brilliant. I'm like, yeah, well nicely done. He's like, I love I've said this phrase to you many a time in the County Monty crystal. Do you're worst?

When you do your worst, there's nothing left and they've clear they've clearly done their worst. It's like, all right you you Sold all the chickens you need like fuck the bag fuck the eggs you sold all the chickens. You didn't even like fuck the bag, fuck the eggs. You sold all the chickens immediately because you were so scared. Silly. Yeah, they ran out of it out. They fired every shot. You fired every shot.

What do you got now? What are you gonna say? Like what else do you have to say? Because everybody's like, ah, we weathered that storm. Now what? Now what do you got? It just made him look stupid. That's that for sure. That's the problems

And no made them look silly and they pushed harder than anybody else with this narrative and oh well I mean think about it. I think how hard it is is to be a stand-up as it is in this country Right and say your things and potentially get cancelled and then then over in these other countries, you can go to jail for it. Just for speaking, yet CNN or whoever still thinks that it's a good thing to like silence everybody. And it's like, look what happens in these other countries. People go to jail for this, they get murdered for this. And they're just making jokes.

Like that's where it leads when you keep trying to silence everyone But they don't care. They just like well, we just sold we sold some more newspapers or whatever I don't know. Yeah, it just feels like pushing of the envelope that's been spushed so far that it's I Don't know when when you wake up in the morning and you're like is this making sense? Is this making sense? I'm starting to think that all our bad reviews are just from like CNN anchors under pseudonyms and we they just make in other accounts and they're like there's bullshit. Please come on I do appreciate the with all due respect. I do appreciate Rogue and acknowledging that he had let's just say what it was, two guests in a row.

I don't know if that's ever happened before that. May have had similar thought processes. We'll give it that. At best, I don't think we've acknowledged that. He's like, I'm going to go back and forth. Please bring those people on at all times. Let's hear the other side of the argument. I would love to hear it. It has been so refreshing to just see.

Well, there's kind of, I think why he didn't know is because that basically is the narrative on every other news. Yeah, but he's been push cycle show anyway. So he's like, well, I'll just play something people aren't talking about. But now Rogan's going to's like, well, I'll just play something people aren't talking about. But now Rogan's gonna feel like, oh, I've gotta have someone that thinks one way and then now someone that thinks the other. We're gonna end this with an environmental climate guy. But I gotta imagine that.

And he had another guy on next week. But I gotta imagine that that's gonna work out in his favor. Or for just the truth favor, who cares what side it works out? He had another guy on next week. But I gotta imagine them, that's gonna work out in his favor. Or for like just the truth favor, who cares what side it works out? I'm like, it's gonna work out for the truth. Well, at least know this. I think that's the value though, and that's what's important, right? It's gonna help everybody listening.

Yeah. Get a more balanced perspective, and then you get to choose what you think of it. Yeah. I don't want to, I'm not on any side I just want to know what makes the most sense and be on that side of the boat like that's right. That's right that boat out That's yeah, and if it sounds like you you know if one's too Far one way and one's too leaning the other way then once you've heard kind of both sides from specialists You can kind of even if you're not sure where you stand

You can just say all right. Well, I'm somewhere in the middle on these things. You can have you can have an informed opinion at that point That's the hope right like you got the hope that's all we're gonna ever hope for Like because I think that there is no absolute. That's the thing. You're just like all right. Let's try and make the best assertion given the facts that are provided. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah, I mean, that's really it. That being said, oh, maybe we should shoot over a duban and talk about that situation. Yeah, let's move on to the last thing I wanted to say is he's hating living in New York and he's mad at Andrews taking him back. I want to think it's hilarious. I want to go to Miami too. It's like he, you know he just fell in love with Miami didn't he?

How could you not? He's like that's my place. Dude you're in Miami Florida where it's free and everybody's fucking smoking cigarettes and the bars and burning each other with ashes and then you go back to New York and you're literally wearing three masks over each eyelid to like prevent the spread. I kind of get what Andrew is saying now about the fact that it improves his comedy there. I'd like to know really how much but I'm sure he definitely has a different audience in New York City than he did in Florida. And I'm not saying one's better than the other,

but I'm saying that if the open mic's seen, and he's practicing most of the time in between doing big shows, he wants to get that push back from the audience. He wants to see the weirdness. He wants to see what people again upset about. And maybe out in Miami, they're all kind of on the same page. So it's probably going to help Andrew Moore to develop a clever take on an issue if he

has people in his audience that may be a bit more woke. And they're trying, you know, they're giving him a hard time about his language and therefore allows him to adjust. I mean, look, the guy's phenomenal at stand-up. He's just been, I mean, he's a mega star right now in the comedy world. Everyone knows he's that good, and I'm sure he knows his process well. He knows what's gonna work. I still feel bad for a cage, though. I feel like we should just let that guy get back to Miami already back to the sunshine. I agree He was like I just was party with Beyonce out in Florida. No, but it makes sense

What Andrew's doing he's a true professional. He's trying to sharpen his sword at all times and he knows that this is where I have to go. I have to go in the fucking dirty parts to make the sharpest jokes. Right, you're gonna appreciate it. I do want to get out to New York eventually and check out a lot of that comedy scene. Spend some time just hitting all the, you know, like the seller and just get a feel for how it's different than, I know the LA scene a lot better than the, I mean, I've never gone to comedy in New York, so I would love to get to know that.

I'm trying to, all right, let's hop over to Josh Duman here. Bit of an introduction with Josh, so he works for the Innocence Project. Used to be a fight manager, I'm pretty sure. I think he still got his hand in it. And, you know, a legit, well-respected lawyer that's written some books about jury selection and worked with district attorneys. And he's a guy that really knows his stuff and he puts a lot of time and jury selection and worked with district attorneys and

he's a guy that really knows his stuff and he puts a lot of time and pro bono effort into getting people out of jail for crimes they didn't commit because of you know, shabby police work and and like lazy dna stuff. I mean what he's doing is beautiful and I love that Rogan has him on so often. He's one of those kind of repeat guests that I'm really pumped when he gets on. I'm like, I'm sure he has a lot of cases to deal with. He wants to get a lot of publicity onto these cases and yeah, it's great that he's kind of like the repeat guy. He allows me to like come back to my emotional state of being and humanitarian state of

all things. Giddy some hope, right? Oh, man. It's just like you can hear the like when his voice, I don't know. You know he's not in it for any sideways situation. He's like the reason I'm here To set people free that deserve to be free and yeah He didn't he say that the two guys that he's been working with just got released. Yeah, so that's great

The DNA came in. Oh, and the DNA framing of that tennis person Would they like took his DNA and they put it on something and then they had to Try and prove that it's like how I Terrifying is that that people go to those lengths Adam. I got to tell you right now It's an interesting thing Listening to that podcast and then I ride my skateboard down to Venice and I just see three Officers come walk down the Venice boardwalk at 230 in the afternoon.

And I don't know how to, I'm just telling you my initial thoughts and what's going on. It's like, are you looking for a crime? Like what, what, what, what, what are you doing? Because I have no, well, I guess technically, yeah, they are. That's what they do, right? They got a look for crime. I'm always making a make crime out of no crime. And I don't want to talk about the defund the police thing because it seems so substantial.

And I don't know what the right, I just, sorry. But it is a weird thing. I say that while maybe I just become more inept to it, but I've got three bombs chilling right by me. One's kind of a skits go, but he's not hurting anybody that's right by the rucks right by the dog chilling. I don't know it seems like you can find problems all the time. I don't know the answer to it, but it is... Well the hope is that they you have have just, you know, more moral cups out there, ones

that aren't, you know, but it seems like stereotyping. But it seems like you're, if I feel that way, you're setting them up for failure because I'm the one guy that should be on your team. Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I don't know. Wait, I don't get what you're saying. I don't know. I don't know. Wait, I don't get what you're saying. I don't understand. It's just a weird time to be walking down Venice.

Like you want it to be peaceful. You want it to be cordial, but you can see state. Stay a bit closer that marked. You can see the disconnect. Thanks for the iPod. I apologize. Okay. Now, no worries. We'll get you up to speed on this.

We'll figure it out. Like Rogan says, a fist away, the fist away. That's up the speed on that we'll figure it out like Rogan says a fist away the fist away That's up. Keep right. That's what you told me get you a cough button for next one. It's what you told me last night Anyway, but it's so terrible. It really just is it's so scary to hear these cases and know that people go through this right? It's one thing to have committed a crime and now you've got to do your time and like you fucked up. So that's how it is. And hopefully you can make better choices. And when you get back out, you know, hopefully in some ways you can get back on your feet too.

So you don't have to keep going into crime. But then knowing that there are people that didn't do anything wrong, they've clearly been framed and they just don't have the resources and the right lawyers to put them in a good position. And you know, the other lawyers and law enforcement are willing to lie to get a confid- I just couldn't imagine being in that job

and knowing someone didn't do it. But you don't care like you're maybe you're so frustrated with your own job Or you just want the case to be closed because you're getting pressure But I just cannot fathom how somebody would let a person go to jail if they knew they didn't do can I ask you a quick question? How confident are you in? The criminal justice system here in the United States and and part B, let's just say in general, I don't want to say across the world, but obviously in England, is it does it differ or is there anything that you would say that has been more like you don't have any frame of reference, but if you did, you let me know. Well, I've been in the court system and seen it work in both countries to some degree.

And it's different, obviously the British system is different than here. I'm sure that I'm just taking a guess and I don't have a lot of a frame of reference, but I'm sure there's plenty of countries around the world, especially less developed ones where the court systems are far more of a mess. Completely, right? Completely skand. But it's the point that even the ones here need a lot of work. I think that's undeniable.

It's not to say it's a completely terrible system and we can't afford to get rid of it, but there's definitely work that needs to be done to make it work better. And that really to answer the question, it's not like I trusted. It's like, if you wind up getting into some trouble, don't just assume that justice will be served. Exactly. It's a suit. It's a shock.

It's the way he said it. He was like, when they talked about choosing a jury, and he was talking about how judges, the vast majority of them used to be prosecutors. So it's like you automatically assume guilt, because that's in your, I don't want to say DNA, but just like in your makeup, because you're assuming guilt, he goes, when I was asking like a group of jurors, potential jurors, he was like, this is Jose

Ramirez, I'm paraphrasing, he's like, could he have done anything he could have, right? And then like 12 people raised their hands without even hearing or knowing who this guy was. Well, but think about it, right? It's just a common thing. If you hear that someone got arrested for something, we just do kind of assume, well, they must have done something because they don't just arrest people for nothing. I mean, but that's where that kind of prejudice comes in. I'm trying to think about the time to slip.

I'm trying to think about the time that I've been arrested. Have I done anything wrong? You would definitely kill me every time. I would imagine. But that's, I would prosecute heavy. I'd be like, I'd known him a while, he did it for sure. How many white clothes did he have? But I know what you mean. It's it it is kind of like that, right?

It's it one thing. It's easy to just assume someone is guilty when they're arrested when it's not you can develop a whole story with a whole situation that occurred like within minutes within your head like a whole Thing. Oh, it was across street. He was yelling, ran across street, jumped in front of a car. There's a whole, I especially live in here in Washington. I've seen things unfold. And it's like, you could frame it in one way or you could frame it in a complete opposite way. I don't know. It's. But that's kind of how the lawyers work anyway. Right. You got a prosecutor, you got a defense lawyer. They're going gonna put together a different story

with the same information. One's gonna sound one way and one will sound the other way. That's what they have to do. And the judge and the jury have to work together, well, I guess they don't work together, but they have to kind of find the truth in the middle as best they can. There's just a lot of moving parts.

So it makes it very difficult. Do I have this feeling about Dubin though? He's just like a rider die, homie. That's like this, like undercover. And just... Dude, he's putting everything into what he does. I mean, he's about his passionate and his craft, he can get for what he does.

He's on the podcast and he's like, yeah, I represent these homies. Like, I got the face tats just kidding. You didn't face that. But he's got the real tats. Like, I'm like, all right, dude. Yeah, I like you, bro. Yeah. I mean, he's put, he's put the effort in and he's representing people that don't,

that wouldn't have the resources otherwise. And when he looks at these hundreds of kids, what amazes me is he talks about doing this and that and they're getting doing stuff with the fight game. And I'm just like, how do you have any time, man? Because he's a little... I bet he works so much. Because he's a lover, bro.

You fucking, he sees the good and people. When you, the first time you start... It's inspiring stuff. I'd be surprised if anyone listening to him on Rogan's podcast was like Oh, I don't really care. Yeah, you shoot like how could you shoot how could you be like that with that you shoot darts That are dudes that trying to take care of fucking humanity. It's That's on you, bro But then he's talking about you know, he met that governor and the governor barely talked to him

He's like you got 30 seconds like that governor and the governor belly told to him. He's like, you got 30 seconds. Like that's make like, get it across. So that's a cruise. So he was talking about and that was, is that who was that was unfortunate? Cause he was like, oh, I gave you my time. And but Ted Cruz is like trying to make it like he gave him his time. And it's like, dude, it's such a weird situation to be. I mean, we've talked about that.

We said how valuable our time is and we know that. But is this that's the same. Situation to be I mean we've talked about that. We said how valuable our time isn't we know that but Is this that's the same take cruise the skip down when the Mexico during the ice storm in Texas? Come on Ted What do you love that's a weird narrative to say if I had an opportunity to go to Mexico. I go to fucking Mexico Yeah, but isn't he he run he's like running the state here in where you're mask I that's what I would tell other people to stay there and wear your mask It's all gonna and you'd go on vacation. That's why you'd be a terrible governor Garrett and we're not gonna vote for you. I'll let you run. I disagree

I'm not a disagree. I would never say that the first part. I would say hey if you guys want to come with me to Mexico Grab this bar code and we'll get you a group on It well it doesn't look good. It didn't look good. It didn't have the time, but maybe he couldn't get it on. In hindsight, everybody's got to make their own decisions. So if you're just like still living. What do you tag crews as public?

No, I work for it. Well, you're burping on vodka on the show. Thank you. I work for Tech Chris. Yeah, I guess sounds like I live in New Hampshire. I work for Tech crews and I'm going trans. Did you? Oh, I had an e. You got to watch you got to watch the Ted Dylan.

When he got on you mean Tim Dylan. No, Ted Dylan Tim Dylan. He when he got on you mean Tim Dylan. No Ted Dylan Tim Dylan Oh, which one when he's trying to get cancelled. Yes, that was the funniest thing. I've seen forever. Well, they played it on Rogan He said that prequel on Rogan, but I listened to that in real time when he was saying that with him and his guide I was like he's like, what do I have to do? Do I have to say that cancer is not real? He was a great rant. I mean, it's him. Oh, my God.

I guess it was so there's no way I literally listened to it over and over again. I was like, this is so funny. And no one's going to fucking put me light on this because he's some mortgage banker that used to live in Arizona Yeah He's in a really interesting place because I mean he's he's his podcast Especially is getting really big a lot of people listen Because because he's right next door to someone like Rogan, which is like his platform is so much larger

It's like the news can't pick on every podcast. So they're like, shit, we got to pick on just one. We've really doesn't say enough stuff to pick on, but we're still gonna give it a go. Let's hold time. We got Tim Dylan over here just saying the most outrageous thing ever. How can I get this energy? How can I get this? Well, he's already banned from had B&B for God knows why he was up. Cool story, bro. We'll fucking start with Noan. Who cares? I'm sure Tim's not worried about the Airbnb at this point. He's trying to he was like, I watched his thing about going to Patreon and he was like, I think YouTube or somebody was trying to come get him, did you watch that episode?

And he was like, I haven't seen it. Oh my God, he was like, so what do you offer in me? And they're like, virtue, like you can come over. He's like, so no money and then Ben, his like, always produced. He was like, you literally like looked at them with such discord that you couldn't deal with it. And he's like, I got another call.

And he like left in the middle of the meeting. And he tells the whole story throughout the whole. He's like, did you think that I was gonna come over to your fucking platform for less than 50 million? Like, you're out of your mind. He's like, you're out of your mind. Like why would I ever do anything to support you? He's like no

It was so yeah, that's kind of a weird move. Well, you can put the effort in this is what's becoming refreshing is people being human and not fucking like Selling their soul. It's like it's an awesome thing to see people be like you know what ah You can't really fuck with me in the money situation anymore. Yes, Steve went to having that integrity, but also maintaining just being like obviously a very funny and silly person. Yeah. You just got to respect it. And even though he goes on those wild rants that are often hilarious and end hilariously,

Tim makes really good point. 100% of the time. I mean, a lot of the time, he's like right on with, you know, what's going on. So nice, it's so refreshing. It's so easy. I don't know why I want to say this joke, but he goes, I suck dick so I can say bag it. And I'm like, why I want to say this joke, but he goes I suck dick so I can

save bag it. And I'm like I love it that you say that, but well he is allowed. He is so refreshing. It's so refreshing. That's that clip is going to go on your cancel. That's fine. That's fine. That's all right. I'll fire you before that. So it doesn't matter. I'll be like, no, we already fired it. It's all right. I'll fire you before that. So it doesn't matter. I'll be like, no, we already fired it. No worry about that. Cancel. That's fine.

Do your worst. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he can't get away with those things. But even with that, he can't get it. There's only so much even he can get away with. Right. To a point.

I don't know. Even though he pushes it. Pick one. I don't think that I think he's officially pushed it as far. Like, what, what, what can't he get away with? That's a good point. I mean, he's like that character now. It's the best character to me.

He's like, I'll say everything and I'm like, oh, we need you, bud. You are the new fucking. But you say that now, it's like the, the cancel culture thing changes in time, right? So like five years from now, there might be a new point of frustration. And then they can go back any amount of. Are you going to do that?

Like, okay, are you going to do that? I, I, I, well, I'm not about my point. I don't want to cancel. My point is I think that that's, this has kind of been a, like, a line in the road or a line in the sand, where it's like, are we going to go back and criticize people of things that they've done in the past Yes people do it. No, no, no, no, no, I'm you're it's dumb, but they are gonna do it I'm saying I think 100% I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying how much weight is that gonna hold down that you and me are recognizing that in the vast majority of people

But like maybe that doesn't hold as much weight. What we do now. But this is the problem. It's not like, it's an individual basis. Sometimes it holds weight. If the people don't have the backing or the fan group, and they can't maintain it, like, like what?

There will always be people that could be canceled. Like, and the will be. Like who? People have been cancelled for things. Yeah, so you're just saying it's... Not everyone survives. So you're just saying it's based on support. Often, yeah, or if you analyze the context of the event that took place and over time,

people realize, oh, well, this really wasn't such a big deal. But my point is there's People and groups out there that are constantly trying to do it if they decide they don't like somebody and then they have an angle to where they can take them Down they're gonna try at some point. I'm not saying it's like nobody's Invincible. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I feel like that was a fat. I want to feel like that was a fat I want to let's hope I want that to phase out like I mean like Pagers like let's just phase let's phase that out and let's just start thinking together and like I'm Always thinking even when I'm folding my blanket. I'm like how could we all just come together? Wouldn't that be the best play like?

Well, I just say focus on yourself. Why is anyone getting worked up about what someone else is doing? It's like just well don't listen to that person. Go through something else. I Mean there's plenty of people I don't listen to but I they can still talk sure I'm not gonna get mad at them. I'm not watching the view what a good point. I just not interested But I don't want any of them to get fired. Just do your job. Someone likes it. Can someone. Can. I mean, that's right. A book about that. That makes the most sense. Like, if you don't like what you're listening to, just turn it off and go, go seek something else out. Right. But people are too angry, man. It's like people that are like constantly write negative reviews about things. It's like people that are like constantly write negative reviews about things It's just like did you on it like you honestly went to iTunes and like wrote out a paragraph

It's like what are you do you need to have more things to do and especially more positive things to focus on I mean I want to kind of give them credit for at least taking the time out to do that Yeah, sometimes it amuses me. I'm not gonna I'm like wow appreciate it. This is like more than I've written for like a school paper before so I gotta give him some credit for putting in but I mean that's what do you do credit where credits do Sure, we all right. Let's jump over to the last one. This one's a little controversial and it's gonna stir up some Some shit for the Rogan world but hey he's doing it. I gotta make a note of something real quick. So yes Stephen Kuhnann. Now he's went to MIT used to work at BP. That's really the bit that's kind of gets the tin foil hat guys worked up because he's kind of I guess like anti-human

climate change person. He's not like a climate change denier I don't think but he definitely has a different view on it. I like it. I like how they're preface. But if you if you worked at T, if you went to MIT, I mean, you know, you're an intelligent person regardless of your view or your spin on whatever things, I mean, you're an intelligent person regardless of your view or your spin on whatever things. I mean, they're not letting dummies in MIT. But again, it's controversial because he's saying that the human impact is not as big as on climate is what basically the consensus is in the scientific and academic world of climate studying, right? I mean, that's kind of the feel for this. Let's start out with what do you think? Well, he no not not him. What do you think just out of curiosity because I just want to get like oh?

What do I like if I didn't he is? Yes, what do I think is happening with climate? Correct. I just want to get a set that aside. Yeah, I mean, I grew up with a dad that did a lot of work with environmental companies. He was big in a recycling, like back in the 80s, he was a hippie, still is, worked with green

peas, raised money with them. So I was kind of brought up being sympathetic to you know the overfishing and the it's like things he talked about a lot right. So I'm always inclined to want to do things that benefit the environment. But does that like instill me with some sort of prejudice to where I just assume that everything humans do in that sense is bad? I mean, you know, we are dumping a lot of plastic and shit in the ocean that's getting into everything. That's a problem that's messing with the hormones. Rogan had that lady on that was talking about, their messes with the testosterone levels.

Those things aren't good, you know? So there's definitely work that we can do. I mean, we're messy species, but we're building a lot of stuff, and we've got a lot of people, and we're trying to keep everyone alive. So at times it's gonna get sloppy. Doesn't mean that we don't do our best to mitigate it.

I mean, you love the beach and going down there. You don't want that thing covered in oil. So it's not good. We have to have standards. We have to have smog standards. LA used to be really bad, I think, in the 90s. It's a lot better now. And that's due to good technology with catalytic converters.

Those things are good. They got rid of the lead from fuel. Remember back in the day they had lead, then they had the unleaded obviously. You feel better now? Yeah, you asked me bro, you asked me, so I'm just telling you. Go on. Go on with the lead. Yeah, so that's, and I like the idea of electric, but again, I don't know all the other parts that come in, like how hard is it to make these batteries? And is there a massive environmental issue, at least in the short term, with that until we get better battery technology? Like there's just a lot of moving parts. That's why it's important to hear people that are smart talk about this.

It doesn't always mean that they're right though, right? Because we've got this guy Steve this week and the other dude that's coming on next week, Andrew and they have differing viewpoints. So it's hard to figure out like what is really happening here? What's the truth? Is it somewhere in the middle? Is one of these guys very wrong? I mean, doesn't it make you kind of feel a little

small? Like, that's how I feel like when I'm thinking about, I've made reference to this too, but the men in black when they're just kicking around those two marbles kind of always comes back to that. When those two aliens, those monster aliens are just kicking around those two marbles, it kind of always comes back to that. When those two aliens, those monster aliens, they're just kicking around the two marbles that we're talking about. But in what way? What do you mean small? Like us as individuals?

Yeah. Like us, or like our impact is gonna be small. Kind of all inclusive, but like when we talk about the small little pebble that we're on that we're flying through and then we're trying Well, we got to look after it, right? I mean we should yeah, it's like you clean your room you clean your room You you you're shovel see now that's the pickup trash when you see it I can get on board with all right fair enough. I don't want to throw a shit on the outside of my room or my room.

That makes sense fair enough. I just want to know. I mean, let's look at the big. So the big things that he was kind of saying is that weather changes over time. He had grass for that for like thousands of years or these things. I mean, there's probably changes for sure and You know as far as even and not to get ahead with Andrew Dessler who we'll talk about next week But he was saying that Kunin's data is correct the data is I think the issue between the two is what data's a data

Are you choosing and how are you representing it. So he's saying over time it changes this may be more natural than we think. Obviously there is a human impact but how high Coonin seems to be downplaying it. Not saying that it is higher or lower but compared to other climate scientists he's saying the human impact isn't as big from what he can tell. And that's just really kind of the narrative that he's putting forward. And he's saying it's also going to be very difficult to go from a lot of fossil fuel energy to other types of more renewable energy sources. So what does that mean?

We just stop doing it. Isn't there like country sized things in the ocean that are like the size of like water bottles that have all inclusive water bottles like trash dumps? That a, oh, you're talking about like the big plastic island. I'm not sure, I'm not sure. Island is floating island. I'm not sure I'm not trash island is floating around I'm not trying to make light or back. That sounds awful What are you talking about my point is it's like when I'm thinking about coolance that it's like

Everything is organic at some point correct Yeah, I mean a lot everything what what is not organic What organic is like something that was alive so plastic isn't alive Yeah, but it was it was it was alive at one point right elements in it was alive at one point all those things were alive at one point We just suck suck the energy out of that and And called it non-organic correct. Yeah, I mean we're using petroleum products to make plastic So yeah, so like I guess but there's not really like organic molecules in a plastic bottle like we've kind of Melted them down and just something else. What are we calling them now? What's it? Well, it's just it's plastic. So it's we've changed the the makeup of it like we

manipulate petroleum products. We use the carbon backbone which are like the lines they draw in chemistry and we we turn it into something else. But it's still a chemical flow. Yeah, but there's some issues with it because that shit doesn't break down. It stays around forever. This is for a long time. So if we make enough of it over a short period of time, now we have like, you know, 50,000 years of trash that isn't going to turn back into... I think that's already happened. That's already happened like over the time. Right, right.

But should we think about not doing that as much? Or should we just not have kids? Well, that's silly because we got to make more people. Why? Definitely should. Who said, well, because you got to keep going. We're not going to live forever. I'm cool with that.

Let's just end it and we'll call it tomorrow. All right. Well, that's a silly stance to take, I would say. That's not helping anyone. And it definitely isn't getting us to the bottom of the Everybody's has to live forever Like that's your plan to reduce your carbon footprint. Just don't have any kids. I mean Maybe just recycle some shit. Do you still believe in that?

Well, I mean there's inefficiency shouldn't your immediate response be yes If it's a real thing, not what? Well, well, well, I definitely should your immediate response be yes. Hold on, don't talk over me, please. I'll take it back. But I think that if you're gonna put your energy

into making a conscious effort to improve your environment, there's probably better ways of doing it. Like what? Planting trees, I would imagine. Having a garden where you're growing your own vegetables. Hunt your own meat. Get a solar panel for your house. How about this? Probably lower your impact. Don't fly as much.

I'm sure flying is the biggest one, like going on trips. I have four bikes out here. If you can reduce the amount of trips that you go on, that probably will help. Get a car that gets better gas mileage. I'm just saying if that's your motivation, I'm sure there are certain things that are more impactful than separating your trash out.

Fair enough. Well, what do you think? You don't seem to be, you don't seem to be in the environment at all. I'm an island boy. Let's go ahead and preface that with that statement. All right, do you wanna live on an island covered in plastic bottles?

Negative, floating up. Can you slow down there, whiskey dick? Oh, right, do you want to live on an island covered in plastic bottles negative flowing? Can you slow down there whiskey dick? Oh, No, that's not the case Okay So what does you take on you ask me what's what's your take? How you sit in with this? I don't know to be honest. It's it's a thoughtful process that I go through frequently. And I want to act.

What, thinking about the environment? Yeah, always. It's like, how much pineapple can I eat? I don't see the relevance of that at all. You're talking about eating more fruit? When do you even eat fruit? I feel like only in cocktails that you buy. Yeah, usually start the fruit in the cocktails.

All right, my point is, let me circle back. Okay, I hope you have one because I'm feeling like you don't at this point. So I'm curious to see if there is one I Want to act like you have a perspective when you're when you Should we talk about Kuban? Because I think that when when they were talking about the process of

about the process of how much influence we actually have on the environment? What we've already been discussing? I don't know that we do. Do you feel that we do? Because they were telling us. Oh, that we have an impact. Yeah. Well, look, we're definitely pumping a lot of carbon dioxide. Well, we have already, right? And it's been, it's been shown we, we made a hole in the ozone land because of CFCs, those weird things. Cobb of fluoride. Weird things that they said were things. Well, they're real things, Garrett. They don't just make it up. They're chemicals that they use

for industrial processes. And they were like tearing ozone apart and that would be bad. You get way too much sunlight and ultraviolet rays hitting the planet. That's not a good thing. And they changed it and it's improved. So the next question is, is the massive amounts of carbon that we're releasing causing an issue more heat and More importantly, like how will we stop it because he was saying okay, it's $500 I think a ton to extract it from the air at this point with machines I don't really know how that would work and then he was saying it's only viable if we get it down to 50 bucks But what I heard when I like what I was thinking when I heard that is,

well yeah, obviously it's gonna be expensive at first because we need to practice the technology. It's like you gotta make a bunch of electric cars before you get really good electric cars. You gotta keep trying until you bring the cost down. Those were some pretty loose numbers too. I don't know if you heard what he was saying. Oh, about the 500 and 50. Yeah, I'm not sure if he is a hundred percent sure on those numbers anyway, but

I think the point he was making is it's just too expensive and it will take too long to bring that price down But I don't believe in that. I think that you know, you got you give Elon Musk a task and you say hey what you're gonna do is you're gonna figure out a way To get all this carbon out and do it for cheap and his the backing and all his you know a financial incentive to do it I mean there's genius engineers out there that can figure out things like that It wouldn't take much time It's interesting what time and money, how they correlate. Because he can foresee what time and money. He's like, all right, this is going to take this much money.

He's going to take this much time. It's like, hmm, I trust you because I guess that makes sense. But I don't know how you foresee those windows. Well, I'm sure it's a lot of guesswork. He's kind of just forecasting with financial models out into the future. But who knows how? You get jumps in technology too.

So it might be like, OK, this is going to take this long. But boom, we're here. I mean, look at Elon. Who would have thought he would have come up with such a dope ass electric car as quick as he could? I think you would. What'd it take him like 15 years? I'm pretty at Elon. Who would have thought he would have come up with such a dope ass electric cars? Quick as I think you would what it take him like 15. I'm pretty sure you and I would have thought that I have you ever doubted Elon ever once. No, he's pretty. It's so it's so interesting watching I don't want to say the left because I don't ever want to jump into these categories, but there's a few guys that I follow on Instagram and like have been

Part of my life for a while, but of somehow like fit this narrative They make comments on Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk as if they've had like like formal conversations He's like that's not a good person. I'm like How could you ever say that even about like Donald Trump or anybody like how could you say that's not a good person. I'm like, how could you ever say that even about like Donald Trump or anybody? Like, how could you say that's not a good person? That would just be like the most like pig-ish asshole thing to say. How would you know what kind of person somebody is before you had a conversation with him? True, but I kind of say that about Gavin Newsom. I don't know him. I don't really like that

guy. I've actually seen a couple interviews with him that have been redeeming, because he's sold not the fact that I'm ever gonna be on his side, but I was like, all right, like at least I can see why people could justify agreeing with what you're, I don't know man, to be honest, but I've seen it. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know him either. So I I'm either so I'm I'm I am too dude I live here in LA

So like I feel some kind of way but at the same time it's like it seems like all this That like all these mandates are all gonna come to an end and never isn't like shit Either you're on board or you're not on board and if you're not on board you're just like I'm loose I'm good if you're on board you're like still got to keep this fucking thing on like how long you're gonna keep this going Mass facts. Ah, like how long can that go on for? All right, I don't know how we got to this we're talking about Kuhnen and the Embiara and you just went right back to the segway. I need to sign that you put in your studio

that just says don't talk about vaccine things and less it absolutely relates to the barbells. Tell me more about Koonan. Too late, it's already on there now. Not editing that out. Tell me more about Koonan. Unbelievable. Still get you just cast on yourself.

I'm watching somebody walk by my fucking well close your Curse you got the mask on your tree you're doing a podcast doesn't matter. They've got the mask underneath their chin Okay, I just had to make I get it. We're talking about the environment here, right? I think it comes down to this It's like if there are really catastrophic models that seem Pretty reasonable like that in a certain amount of time it could really mess with farmers growing crops or How a lot of things are put together. I mean we do have to I would say air on the side of caution within a you know A reasonable degree.

And I think that's the place we're trying to find. What's the best most positive impacts we can make? Do it so that it financially isn't bankrupting the country and plan for the future. I think it's easy to just ignore these things happening and then all of a sudden We've made such a mess. It's it's in a bad spot. I Mean that to me seems reasonable. You don't want to ignore a potential danger. I would say you're right Well, it's just an idea. I just don't know. That's just an idea

Well, we at an hour we're at an hour We did idea. I just don't know. That's just an idea. Well, we at an hour. We're at an hour. We did it. So Yeah, guys, I mean look we're gonna get to whatever the other guy says from Texas A&M next week and Hopefully within these conversations All the Rogan listeners are able to come to their own Rogan listeners are able to come to their own slightly more educated conclusion of like where we are with these things. And I'm sure we're going to see a lot more of these podcasts in the future where he has one voice on and then a counter voice right afterwards. So we're going to have to get used to kind of balancing through that whole conversation.

I love it. And on that note, thank you as always and yeah, we're talking to you guys next week, can have a great week, fellas. Hey, and ladies, peace. you