Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 261 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Andrew Dessler Et al.

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. My heat every the worst podcast with the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. Thanks as always for tuning in and climate. Climate time bro. We got the other side of the story now. So we can put it together. This is this is what we all kind of expected

broken to do. And I think it's reasonable. And it's pretty I found it pretty helpful. I'm like, ah, see that a different way. First off talking about climate, the temperature here was negative 20. I saw you sitting over it. That puts this weather in perspective, I was kind of chilly riding my bike home from getting haircut today, so bad chilly. Dude, Boseman, it was so cold that they closed the outside part of the hot springs that they have here, because it was like you just like everything's frozen. People's hands were sticking to the rail to get out of the hot springs. But the hot springs stay hot no matter what are

Well, yeah, the water's good, but the crazy thing that happens to you It you'll go don't go under the water because you're outside you come on be all your hair for you Quick to yeah, dude. It is something else up here. That's a you have to go I thought Chicago was called when I live there, but no that's it's full prep thing full preparation to go out at this point. Yeah Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be prepared. You gotta be gloves. Interesting. You got that all right In Texas last year, yeah, I believe there was a huge Yeah, that's right. The that 100 years storm. I don't know how cold it got there

But I mean cold enough to really mess a lot of things up and the crazy part about that is a bunch of Adam's died because they just got so cold It's and that's something that I think here obviously they used to it But how do any of the other Maybe they just It's not like a deer is building a. It's like what what are you doing? You see for a run 24 hours a day. Give your heart rate up Constantly running until the sun comes out sounds us I Mean I like to work out, but that sounds awesome

Nature all right. Let's jump on with Andrew Desla. He's a professor at, or Texas A&M, climate guy. And yeah, he had a very different story than Coonan. And what was kind of interesting about it is he supported his ideas in a different way, too. Like Coonan was very data data and this is this graph. This guy had some of that, but he kind of did it in a different way. He was more like a narrative, like a story.

Whenever he would never refute anything that Kun said, he said he would just avoid saying certain things that would make other situations look more beneficial. I mean, to generalize what he said, but it was about fossil fuels and mainly coal and a lot of these things that he was discussing. He was saying he would just avoid saying certain things to amplify his argument, which is true. Yeah, he kind of, he kind of, I mean, one thing he said that was interesting is like, yeah, the data, who in his talking about is true, but it's like, what data is he picking? And how does he interpret it? So the information in front of you is correct,

everyone can agree on that. But how, you know, how you look at it, what do you what information are you taking from it? Which is really the messiest part. It's like, oh, now everything can just be spin. It's like, well, guys like us are never going to be able to figure it out then. It's like, how the hell do we show us a graph where like, looks like temperature is going up. It's a good point.

It seemed like a lot of it was speculation. I don't know if that's just what goes into science. I think that's probably part of the deal, but it's it seems to be pure speculation about what could happen and he kept making reference to I don't want to live this experiment, you know, and I'm like, well, you've already armed. You kind of are though. Which I think is reasonable. Well, he has to. He's just saying, right? So the difference between the two was like, they're both saying they don't exactly know which way it's going to go.

One person, you know, Kunin from last week is basically saying from what I gathered, like, you know, it won't be as bad as we're thinking. So there's like a lower end of where it could be bad and obviously a higher end and you know, desla is saying I anywhere near the high end would be bad like So therefore we should make changes, right, which is You know if it is that bad and we don't know, maybe it's not, but it's like,

I don't know. It's like if you think a flood might be coming, but there's not e, it's not super likely that you still grab a couple of life best vests just in case. Yeah, I mean, I'm all about grabbing a couple of life bests, but it seems to, I don't know, he's obviously talking about electric cars and how much better they are. Have you had any experiences with electric cars? I mean, nope, I've been in like, like, one girl's got a Prius, but I don't think that it was dope. It does the justice of the Tesla, it's not a Tesla these days, but.

It's the one that's a half electric. Yeah, I mean, that's one of those life vest I would feel like, but to just overhaul the whole system, I don't know. I mean, I guess only time will tell what actually the impacts are going to have, but you got to make reference to the LA, just for example, you can see certain cities. I mean, Bozeman, you can, I don't know, just to sound like a caveman, but you can see the stars and Bozeman, you can't see the stars here unless it rains or something It takes a different thing otherwise because all you see is smog a lot of the time. So that has to have some Well, it's it's a lot of light pollution that cuts the

You know, so you don't see this guy, but here's the thing. I mean the 90s in L.A. And you can Google pictures of it. It would look terrible People would fly in. It's like yellow and the big thing they did was they got harsher on car emissions so they I think they just made better catalytic converters So the what comes out in the exhaust of a car was just not as Has that gluten and therefore cleaned it actually clean it up. Like it was a huge improvement.

That's been proof. That's been so. Oh, that's what it did. Yeah. 100%. I mean, it actually used to look different in LA. I mean, I didn't ever see it. Um, this was before my time being there, but you can google it.

And I saw pictures of that and references and so that's like one thing I some of the questions between the two though is one guy is saying you can't power everything with this and the switch is too expensive But then death is saying no, it's like half a Texas is run on wind and solar. I'm like well Because if you can do it that way, and it's not more expensive, that is almost a no-brainer anyway, no matter which side of the RRU round. You're like, who gives a shit? Let's just get a bunch of solar panels. It's free. Well, it's obviously not free. There's a... Well, it's a boring idea, but once they're in place... Yeah, but the notion and not to discredit that because I like to believe in wind and solar but Those are based on two things that you can't necessarily always predict so that for other places that's not

Feasible I'm sure it's like you said. It's a nice nice life. That's the have I think that's a reasonable way of looking at what's going on in their alternatives and if you I mean I didn't know that catalact converter synopsis, but if that's true, then making small, catalytic. Catalytic. Catalytic.

Catalytic. But either way, making those small adjustments does, I mean, obviously that's a good idea, I think, but I don't know. It's an interesting take for sure. Hey, because when we were talking about those wind meals, too, like have you driven through that area? I mean, and seeing the vast, I mean, those,

think about how much industrial steel goes into making all those things and to make all those wind meals on the front end. I mean, yeah, I mean, a power is is a big. Yeah. I was going to say there's got a lot of energy to make that thing too. And there's I'm sure there's a lot of it.

Kind of just feels like whatever story you're looking for, you can find. And I don't know. Well, either way, I mean, if you look at it like that one time, they looked up with their seven coal plants that are a 30 miles apart, dude, I don't like the idea of any people in the world have it a lot near that, you know, no kids are growing up there, and it only makes sense. The burning that shit getting into the air, we're breathing it in. It's like, well, we're not breathing anything in if it's solar or wind. I mean, that's right. So figure out how to make them that's the right argument. I always, I always remember doing projects and like sixth grade trying to find new ways to make energy and one was always like ocean. We're just watching this interesting show on how they produce on the big cruise lines about how they produce energy

and whatnot and how they regenerate water and pull it from the ocean and make it clean and stuff like that. It's they have so many forward thoughts on how to make clean water on a cruise ship. It's like we should come up with some new solutions on how to make power. It seems like there are probably some people in power that do and...

Dude, I'm sure there's so much money. People have to be thinking about this stuff all the time. What I don't think I've ever heard of anything that took advantage of like wind or tide and that seems like that would make sense. You know the dam, like the Hoover dam that makes it on a power that's basically a power plant. That's a they're obviously exploded that situation in the best way possible. That's I mean I've never been there. Yeah, I think they're like revamped it to at some point. It's it's quite a sight to see. It's a monumental.

Absolutely. Like the story behind them building it and you know, a lot of people died. It was just a massive construction thing. It's like one of the biggest things, single things I think humans have ever built. It's massive. It's pretty epic. Yeah, it's really cool to see it. What he was saying that one to 200 winmills make as much power as a nuclear plant.

That to me was interesting because that didn't sound a lot. I mean, probably would be if they were like right outside your house. I wish that you spread them out, right? It's like that's the thing like. Yeah, I agree. I would like to, and this is me being critical on the other side too. I would like to see the data on that one because I didn't hear Joe on that one whenever he wasn't like, Jamie pulled that up. He was like oh really? Dude I guarantee you

could just do that. That would be quite a simple thing to Google I'd imagine because it will tell you what each one potentially could make obviously win dependent. But yeah I think I just can't like if he was completely wrong on that like imagine how dumb that would look right? I mean, that's a thing that we could check on and then he talked about the ice storm costing 200 billion Yeah, right because of the way the system is set up and then he's like dude if they if they just put all of that into, like they paid it anyway, right? They didn't expect to have to pay it, but somebody did. And if they had put that into these renewable things, um, where that was that's the argument. Yeah. It seems like we've known about this for how long though and how is it that seems like since I've been alive, we've been talking about solar and wind. And if they haven't taken over at this point either somebody's holding them down or maybe I'm just being critical but this is like 35 years in and I remember when I was in grade school thinking that all solar and

wind but at this point it seems like we're either... but I mean that's the point that he was making a lot of it is the power of potentially these fossil fuel companies that want to keep their percentage of the grid. And it's like the real question is, does it benefit us to have it or does it just benefit that? At the end of the day, we just want power. We want to plug something in the wall and then our phones charge or the TV is on. We're not going to care so much where it comes from unless it is also like...

I'm saying this is a living in one of those plants where it's like blowing stuff down. Oh, yeah, that's rough. It is interesting. I can't believe that exists. I mean, it's easy for us to be like, oh, like, to not even think about it because there's nothing like that in Boseman. The air's about as clean as it gets. I mean, if you smell anything, oh, like, did not even think about it because there's nothing like that in Boseman, the air's about as clean as it gets. I mean, if you smell anything, it's like elk flops. There's nothing bad up here.

And then you live right by the beach. So you've just got ocean air blowing all the time. I mean, clean, right? You just take it for granted, but some places won't have that. Other countries are far worse. Like, you ever see some of the pictures of like, I think it's like places in China and there's some, No, no, no. O la gente es fowl. Así que si hay una de las piquetras, creo que es como en la ciudad de China y hay unas...

Hay unas cidades que es un mes con las piquetras. Es una piquetra de los piquetras que se ven en los lugares, y no es como esto. Es como constantemente, se va a caer en el top. Sí. Y es un poco de. Es un barrio. Pero ¿cómo es posible que sean las tres de la tarde?

Que lleves casi una hora de atascot ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos. Que tú vas a trabajar, ¿no estás llegando? ¿No? ¿A dónde vas tu tan contenta? ¿A dónde? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones a un décimo. ¿Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo sierres mayor de edad? No, no, no.

Yo creo que es un coste. Y es como en una manera que es que es que es una manera de que is the cost thing and it's like in a sense it's going that way kind of anyway right I mean it looks like cars are going I mean the thought of it first was like oh we got to have every car electric by soons like this date and when they were saying that back in 2005 most of those electric cars if any of them even existed would garbage but of course they were the first ones like you got to get better at building them But now it's like dude if they all start being like tezlits or close to it Why the hell not did you see the on the What was it the hat like the commercials on the Super Bowl? They have that yeah, Silverado. I think Joe talked about it, right looks though

Yeah, pretty good goes like 200 miles and then you run out of power, but. What a concept to make so much sense now too with gas being crazy prices out here, I've seen upwards of almost $6 in some situations at this point, it's wild. Is that right? That's how expensive it is on there? I mean, I've seen 550, yeah, for sure.

I've seen it right by my house is super pricey Wow Well, I need it's very expensive in England New Zealand. Yeah, I might be going to call it pet or Or pet yours expensive, but yeah, it's been you know and they sell it by the liters as well So you like I forget like what the What the conversion is I think it's like four liters, so you gotta figure it out, but yeah, I mean,

it's super expensive. Maybe that would, it's why no one there has it like big engines, like all the engines. What amount of money for a gallon of gas would it take for people to find an alternative in order to get to work? Or would you just Uber,

but Uber's would be a little bit more scarce, because even we talked to the maintenance guy and he was like, I missed you last time. He's like, I don't want to miss you next time. He's like, gas is pricey. And I'm like, all right, that makes sense. I've seen the prices. I mean, yeah, for some people though, they drive all day, right? I mean, especially Uber drivers. I bet every day they wake up and look at that price and go, oh, it's up 10 cents, shit, I've got to calculate that into that whole year of life. That does have an impact of that.

You're so, so occupation, if you're like breaking it down numbers wise and that's you know. Sure. Yeah, I mean up here, I think it's like three. Oh, I can't even remember like $3. I mean, you think, so you know, if you're close to twice that in a different state, that makes a big difference.

It's interesting too, like you think about Euro, it used to be the thing, I don't know, but it still is the thing, I'm not driving, but if you're like, I saw a gas station for 330 on 12th Street or something, it was like you'd kind of like word a mouth that you know what I mean back in the day But now it's just like oh, it's fucking five bucks wherever you go Get in California. Yeah, dude a hundred percent. I mean if you pull up to even an interception and you see two gas stations and ones

Yeah, I'm not doing it with the drama and think about it that way you're like okay It's it's like let's say it's a Five cents left so whatever would take you to go the other side of the street and you put 10 gallons in what you Think you're out to be sent on the ground. You're not picking it up on a lot of time Yeah, it's like it's funny how people was and then they go over to a Starbucks and be like yeah, nine bucks for a couple of lattes Money, what do we say you could a drink? and be like, yeah, nine bucks for a couple of lattes. And so what do we say, you could drag your house? Money well-spac.

Exactly. It's interesting. And that's kind of interesting on this conversation, too. I think that it's kind of what you're looking for. I don't know. It seems like you can make an argument from both people's perspective. We have been trying it from the fossil fuel

way for a long time. And it's obviously having an effect on our environment. But I mean also from the innovation that's coming, maybe that needed to happen in order for this next innovation for the electric car to come. Because I think if Elon thought that electric cars weren't the future in like gas powered cars or the future, he'd probably invest in doing that if he thought that's what was best. I mean, given Elon a lot of credit here, but I would imagine that he's kind of motivated in that way, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, let's think about like his motivations for a minute, like one, he makes these electric cars. So the impact in some way, even though making those batteries is problematic right now because of the stuff you got to put in it But I'm sure in time they're in proof and we'd be able to use more different metals for it and all the rest of it You know those scientists figure that out And you know they're really good cars too, so maybe he just thought oh actually with the with the, with the math, just doing the math on it, it's like, we can make more power, but like more effectively than using like a regular size engine.

You know, because engines just have to get bigger and more turbos and it's like, with the electric cars, it's like every time he builds one, it's so much faster than the last one. And so maybe like the top end of the technology you can put in is just, I don't know, a way. It's just a more effective process. But then look at the space program. It's not like he's not burning shit loaded. I was just firing those rockets in the space.

I mean, they're not that tricky. I'm thinking of myself, are those not electric? Because electric makes the most sense. Where we're going to go in electric space. I mean, they're not electric. I'm thinking of myself, are those not electric? Because electric makes the most sense. Why are we on it? Got electric rockets. They just need too much power. Like, I don't think that you would be able to, but that's an interesting thing, but you're thinking about how this is pure dumb mechanics 101, but the fact that Joe says that the Tesla plan or whatever gets up to 1.9. But the fact that Joe says that the Tesla plan or whatever gets up to 1.9 and I'm sorry, 60 miles per hour and 1.9 seconds. It's like, is there any other car that's doing that?

Why can't that, why can't, why can't, why can't, probably like a B-dawdy. No, I mean, this very, I don't think that, I mean, maybe I could be wrong. It's probably not the fastest one from zero to 60 But if you have that kind of energy, why can't you put that into a rocket and shoot it up? I'm sure there's some poison in the way to don't understand that that's why it's not that right if it made sense He's like yeah, I just got that sample Yeah, I guess not I mean look they're not's not, I don't think anyone's putting any stock in the idea of commercial airlines turning electric. Right. You know, it's probably, it's

just like a thrust issue, probably. They need so much force coming out of the back to propel the thing along. It's like, we just can't forget that out here. With that said, it isn't interesting. I saw a meme or something about how these celebrities will go take their private jets to talk about how they need to use electric cars and what not. I mean, that's when I say whatever you're looking for, it's just interesting. On one day, you can say one thing and on another day, you can say another thing. That's how life is. The man, I think even the best intention people are unknowingly being hypocrites. Like

we don't realize, you know, if you just live in the West, you, you know, have a house, you have a bunch of stuff, all of that takes power to be made. And then, you know, you recycle a few cans and you think you're doing good and then you go on three vacations a year and it's like, that needs to be done. We've been iterated multiple times because that's such an insightful thing where you just said it's that even if you have the best intentions and the repercussions of the scenario aren't plentiful or beneficial for a certain population people individual, the intention doesn't matter. It's I mean you want to believe it does

But at some point in time you need to just realize the implications that come from it, you know There's actually an interesting website that my ex girlfriend because she's the she was always recycling and like care about the environment and like was she was real pro that and I remember like one day, just to be like, well, yeah, but you go on like five trips a year. So it kind of reasonable. And then she was like, it like she just got mad at me, which was reasonable. I'm like, all right, well, it's just where you choose the look at. So she, no, but she, she found this website. And what you do is when you book a ticket somewhere in the website you put in

You're where you're going from and then when you're arriving and like whatever and it and it tells you how many trees You have the plant to offset that carbon thing and then there's a like a donation thing and this website like plants trees Which I thought was pretty interesting assuming that they do what they say you know I was like I don't think they're gonna be dollar for one seat of a tree and then the divvy of the other 90 cents amongst the rest of them it wasn't all that much actually it would be like 13 bucks for the flight and you just donate it and I guess that's like enough of the trees now it's not quite the same thing,

but you know, just for people that care. And he was talking about that in the pod too, about how he's like, don't get this twist that I am pro-tree, but he's like, as much as they offset, he's like, I don't know what it's doing. That was first CO2 or whatever. Yeah, that was kind of interesting. So what did he say?

It was like 25% goes into the plants 25% is the ocean and then the rest, I don't know, just floats around I guess. Interesting. I mean, so we can handle like 50% of it. Well, look, from a like a diving point of view, because I used to do quite a bit of scuba diving, you know, years ago, from that point alone, the people that used to live near the reefs in like Cosmol and different places that we would go to, even back when I was there, we talked about how the reefs are just getting smaller, and they say that's from that acid in the water. And you know, those guys are just making a living living

by the beach, they're not like environmental scientists, but they're saying whatever, something's happening. And it's not good, like they get that, the reefs get affected. I don't like, I don't like. So it's a very nice. I'll just say I read some of the ocean, even when they made reference to that,

I mean, that's been made reference to plenty of times, but that floating city of plastic that looks, I mean, not even city, like, is bigger than Texas, I believe at this point. Oh, what's that? Yeah, what's that guy's name? Boy and slots. But he invented some of this, trying to,

yeah, he's like cleaning it up. Which is pretty cool. And I mean, that's an awesome humanitarian thing to do. Like, that's of stepping the right direction. I mean, what if an awesome humanitarian thing to do. Like, that's a step in the right direction. I mean, what if you didn't have a... Yeah, I mean, what are the long-term effects? I haven't a shitload of plastic in all the oceans. Where's the group of senators that are out there

trying to figure out new ways to make energy? If you go find a young group of people that are incentivized to like get out there, and I don't know, man, I think that's awesome, especially trying to co-nap the ocean and you see these people trying to get passionate about those kind of things is a great way to spend your time. Well, that's what's tricky about it, too. I mean, he was saying that a lot of these fossil fuel companies pay for people's elections.

So what's the incentive for different politicians to get behind that? It's like, you know, boy in slots not paying for their election. Take money. Yeah, it's an interesting thing because everybody's, I don't want to say compromise, but influenced by whatever is funding there. Talking about fracking and what not to and how much that's kind of influenced. I always thought about that and you think about working, what if you were making six figures working for a tobacco company but you didn't smoke cigarettes

but you knew all the implications and you had all the data. It's like what if, but you had six kids to support in two X wives. It's like you start seeing where people are coming from in these different perspectives. It's an interesting thing. And the way we have it set up, you know. Oh for sure. I bet there's a lot of you know on the smokers that have bought cigarettes stock.

It's a good point. I mean in the same kind of lades. I mean I don't know if you have an implication with fossil fuels and you're working for that company, you're going to have a reasonable argument why it makes sense for you, especially. I appreciate the narrative too about looking on for future generations. I'm curious how long that's gone on and how many times that I think that's a new kind of thought process. Do you think people in the, I don't know, they're obviously thinking about their kids, but I don't know if they're thinking about the implications of what they're

doing with the environment affecting future future generations. Is that a new thing? What do you think? Well, it depends, right? I mean, it depends how hard life is to survive. If you go back far enough, people would just look into the kids' lives. Yeah, absolutely. They're still to this day obviously. As I'm sure as I'm sure as cities developed and towns and and everything like that they're probably plenty of people that are like yeah what about my grandkids and great grandkids and it probably wasn't so much like an environmental pollution impact because they probably didn't have it but they were probably looking for like a head to like how they could grow crops better or make sure that the city could

be sustainable. Come up with better systems like that. I wonder what's going to happen to my children's children with burning this much wood or something, you know? Yeah. I mean, I guess it just comes with time and seeing the, I guess that's what science provided to us is another, I mean, an opportunity to just comes with time and seeing the I guess that's what science provided this is another I mean an opportunity look at perspective of where we've been and where we've come so it's an interesting thing when one person

Says it kind of looks like a hockey stick and another person saying I don't know it could look like a hockey stick By the way, it's turned up, but also couldn't you know, I don't know Yeah, there's like two people in different, it makes it difficult to know, right? Well, the one thing that kind of stood out to me when he was talking about growing corn, right? So that's a lot of food generally, at least calories in our system because high-fructose corn syrup, right? That's in a lot of stuff.

I mean, people shouldn't be eating anyway, but if you're looking at making the most calories with the least energy, it's like corn is one of those. When you think when you were a kid, you're like, and I don't know, if you can validate this or not, I think corn we've established probably isn't necessarily good for you,

but as a kid, if you had your corn and peas, peas and corn, you were like, all right, I mean, good tonight. fish sticks, peas and corn. Like, I'm healthy. But that's my, but it's like a made of vegetable, right? So how much nutritious value does it actually have? Because if you look on the back of a can of corn, I just, we'd have to look at it, but I don't think there's a whole lot going on in corn. It's a psych, something you chew up and seems to stay in the same form at all times. Yeah, I mean, I don't think corn is super nutritious, but, you know, I don't think I've

probably, but you think about it. But you think about it. Corn has become a filler for all of our other kind of meats too. You think about the cows are corn, a lot of those kind of animals like are eating corn you know so yeah you're just I guess not enough grass and the fields you're just getting it from a different source that's the problem it's like hand me down corn it's a second corn I mean it yeah it's in all of us but all everyone has some corn in there. But when they were saying that all the corn grows, and they have to move it north, right,

because of the temperature change, and then eventually to higher altitudes, that's something that could be pretty alarming, because if it gets to a point where it's like, oh, we can't grow this staple that makes most of our calories that's feeding all these animals because it's just getting harder and harder. Around the tofu all day.

That's it? Yeah. Just tofu. Dude, I don't really care for tofu. I have had it. I wouldn't say it's something that's something I seek out, but I have had it in certain like chicken salad and whatnot that I wouldn't like it's not bad I'll tell you that. All right. I feel like

it's a weird. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. It's put a hot sauce on your corn. It's not that hot. They have that street corn. That's pretty good. Right. I'm down for that. Well, the last thing is I was surprised when Rogan was like, let's have you both on a do with the bait. I mean, he kind of was back in a way from that.

I'm always a bit suspicious of someone back in a way from the debate. I know the bait's aren't that fun. There's a lot from that. I'm always a bit suspicious of someone back away from the debate. I know debates aren't that fun. There's a lot of stress. But given the parameters of like, look, you both get to prepare, you got to show each other the information. So it doesn't get too confusing. This guy was a man. This is no disrespect to the other guy. But he was he's a professor at Texas A&N. The other dude was like a

forefront speaker for in I don't want to say Congress, but he was definitely involved in some high. Yeah, BP politics and he knew how to talk for sure. So he's not. He's well spoken. Yeah, I think that's probably what what um, yes, he's saying about that in a sense, he's concerned because he's like, well, yeah, it may go badly.

Right. I mean, lose it. And then, you know, a lot of times these things do come down to like, who's the better arguer, not even the thing that you're arguing about. So that's like, when you're having an argument about speculation, like the facts that are brought up, it's like, you could interpret it. Whenever they're both saying how you can interpret facts, and they both understand that and both like kind of agree on that. It's an interesting thing to argue if you're just having an opinion on stuff that you kind of both agree on, right?

Oh, yeah, like assuming all the both agree on the date and then they, but the argument then is how they show how they interpret it. And then they would have to go back and forth. I'm like, yeah, but this is why you should interpret it this way. And the other person say, well, you could look exactly and it seems like all speculation at that point. But I see what you're saying.

I mean, that makes sense in theory. Yeah, but I mean, a speculation from two people that have studied it a lot and have a lot of information. I think it's worthwhile. Can anyone know, can anyone know something like 100%, I'm sure even the smartest people in any subject are like, yeah, I mean, it gets to the highest end of trying to understand, I don't know, physics and quantum physics and whatever.

And yeah, we're just kind of guessing the last bit, but we're doing our best to do it. And at least it's educated guess safe and effective just before yeah educated guessing that's what we don't do much of on this podcast we make it strides in the right direction at least I don't know sometimes I feel like I'm getting done so that's's that, it's that, it can't be too negative. 20, but that, that a bunch of. All right, let's jump over to the legend that is Joey Dears. Yeah, so good to have him back on. And it is, you know, it seems like a crime against humanity that he is not

full time because of stand up again. I mean, I'm not saying he's doing anything bad, he's taking his time, but it's just a shame that he's not there. I must have seen this guy a dozen times at the comedy store, just filling in, you know, those like 15, 20-minute spots they do. And I can't tell you how many times. He just got to a point where anyone I took up there as soon as they called Joey I just like I'd be like knocking the person next to me like you wait for this dude You wait What's this when he brings his energy up and just goes?

Absolutely berserk mode It's it's just phenomenal. You just can't believe that a human being is saying that stuff and I'm not away with I've been watching so much stand up because we have just YouTube TV and a few of the services. So I've just gotten lost in a lot of stand up. And that's, he's one of the guys that I have and sought out on YouTube. I don't know if he probably,

he doesn't have any specials yet. Does he? I think that's something Joe has told me before. He's like, I don't think Diaz is put together a really good one it doesn't like come across so one thing Joe said which I love the idea is like having someone no just record all of his sets and just edit them together in a way to where you've got the real feel of Joey Diaz and he's not thinking about being filmed. There's no pressure on him.

It's just like him up there, practicing his stuff, going nuts on stage, being hilarious, and then somehow trying to capture that. I think that's a genius idea. I would love to do the highlights of all the moments that you kind of waited out. He's definitely one of the guys that I haven't seen. So I'm going to turn, I bet you there's some YouTube videos like this, can't just be the thing. I'll check it out. He's definitely one of the guys that I haven't seen so I'm gonna try I bet you there's some YouTube videos

I can't this can't just be the thing. I'll check it out Do the best thing on YouTube to watch for Joey Diaz is the they do you know those cartoons? That they do a Rogan show. Oh, yeah, they just kind of like cartoon it out and then some of the old Joey Diaz ones are Ridiculous like they are some of the old Joey Diaz ones are ridiculous. Like they are some of the funniest ones of all, where he just starts screaming. He has this whole one. I'll put a link in the bio for you guys. It's to a story where he's going on about hate and ranch.

And like he hates ranch. And just his whole argument for is brilliant. It's just out of no way He just gets so worked up it goes from zero to 1000 my Instagram feed had a video of one of his rants where he was like Started off real common. He's like it's Monday morning mother fuckers And then he was like, you know those people that are surround you and like his energy just amplifies and amplifies about the end of the day's like kick those negative motherfuckers out of your life Start living today and I'm just like got me fired up Yeah, yeah, he's almost like the the Gorgins comedy

Yeah, it's very true Very very true. He's very cute So we it looks like once Joe opens that club finally whenever that is, you know, Joey is stalking down. I think he's done and that's going to be so great. He's so excited to do it too. It's awesome. Just got knee sir. Just got knee sir. Have you had any, have you had any broken bones? It's substantial. Now I broke my leg once playing soccer. Some guy just kicked me right in the leg. Snap. So, yeah, that was a cast, but no surgeries like that.

I think actually when I was young, I had a hernia, but I was too young to remember. I think the story was I thought I was strong and picked up a big bag of potatoes. Young, young kids, I'm not that bad at my cousin. But otherwise, no. It needs a... You would freak me out. I mean, I know it's not a big stupid like anything with my knees, man. When I'm a GJ, and someone is going for your leg, it's like, dude, you want to watch me tap out fast? That's the way. I'm a meaty. I'm not trying to fight you. Not at all. Like what's the point? I was literally

doing bench press enough for some reason. Sometimes my shoulder starts crackling and the guy with my body was right behind me. I was like, could you hear that? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, all right, I should probably put this away. Like I'm at an age no, or it's like, uh, what am I trying to, what am I trying to, what am I trying to prove here? But I'm trying to be functional, not hurt myself. But well, that's a big part of being smart with working out too. I mean, it occasionally happens. I'll go, especially with squats, I'll get to the gym and just like one of my knees just feels almost like loose is I guess how I describe it. And I I back away immediately. I'm not

powering through it. It's like most days is fine. It's good on those days. Yeah, what's the old? Who might break this? We'll save myself another day, I think, is the idea. You know, you know, like, yeah. But I do want to talk about the, I had to tell the edible story. Every time they talk about edibles, the stars of death and whatnot.

Oh my God, those sound horrific. What, what a day? 200 million five? Oh my god He just pop does like pez and I was telling that story to my this guy one of the cooks at my work gave me a few Edibles the other day and I'm I don't say like Jamie, but I have a fairly high tolerance for edibles, especially when the gummy form I mean they hit me, but I can take quite a few and he's like I wouldn't take those and I just popped all four Like right at like 10 a.m. And I was fine like it literally didn't affect me. He I think they said it was like 25 a pot 10 or 10 or 15 milligrams of pop either way, but then I heard oh So you probably did

I did that's a lot I couldn't I wouldn't be at a do I mean I don't know what it is But I have a high tolerance for that but the 250 boy that'll rip your dome right off the top here Let's run an experiment one time we We do it in a safe environment. Go camping. Yeah. And then just try what it's you after I told him that story about the Joey Diaz story about handing him his buddy to 50s or something. The guy that gave me him, he was like, he's like, I remember taking two or three of those

and getting on an airplane and feeling like, my face was just up against the window the whole time. I couldn't figure it out. And I'm like, oh boy, that'd be rough but I Think he does take himself to a very peculiar place I guess he's used to it. He's one guy that I it's like he's Would love to hang out with now, but he would be an awesome guy to hang out with back in his heyday, too Can you imagine running around Santa Monica with him like 25?

No dude, right? He's just supposed to be like such a great person good friend, you know, I mean Lots I've heard lots of other comedians talk about Uncle Joey like that You know he calls you up. He makes sure you're okay. How you doing dog? Like just call them up chat like that's just a good person. I think it sounds like I guess you just Kind of have to forget know I asked where he what do you go to jail for the kid? Yeah, I was cooked up cooked up, but I'd say Joe Joe makes reference to it all the time It's the best people come from the normally the roughest circumstances. Oh by the way

I watched that King Arthur movie last night to a good call Oh, by the way, I watched that King Arthur movie last night too. Good call. Oh, the one way it's all what you think of that. It seems like it was a lot like the kind of Monty Christ though without other goobs and goblins, but I did appreciate it. Yeah, it's like a cool narrative like over the top of it all like as he turns into who he calls the cool Like right of passing the Warriors. What do you call it? I can't remember. It was profound, but yeah, right of passage, I think. The Warriors journey, I think is what you said.

But yeah, it's here. But here is gaming as well. Coming out on the other side, it seems like Joe, both Joey and Joe, like in school, they, but I didn't really ever acknowledge that until they said that, but they're both in the same name, Joe. But they both came out on the other side like champions there two definitions of the heroes you know yeah I here's the problem with it though they it's the idea of this is not everyone does right people that I mean Joe went to jail not everybody

that goes in is coming out the other side like, wow, that was an important part of my life. And now things are better. And I mean, that's part of the untold story too. And this is why oftentimes people that were challenged themselves with really hard things like that fear of failing. It is that, oh, I failed. And I did it a bunch of like, I tried and it just didn't work and now I completely invested everything and it's all going to shit But you hear these stories of these individuals the successful ones they're the ones telling stories and they're like Yeah, I did that everything worked out. It's great. You should do it too. It's like all right That's the same to he's like we know those guys and I'm still 50 lived in their car He's like yeah, he's like, we know those guys, and they're still 50, living in their car. He's like, yeah, he's like, everybody wants to suffer

then succeed, not just continue to suffer. I think it's more of the story. Of course, right? That is how Joe put it, and that's an important point to make. It's like, yeah, they can look back and those early days of grinding as an open mica, but imagine just for whatever reason it doesn't change. I mean, he probably should stop.

Let it become a hobby. Maybe not like the soil income for you. That's the case. Yeah, that's the problem with it though, to get really good stuff. You gotta be all in. For sure. Like those guys have to be all in. Yeah, they're all in at

least for a period of time. I guess you've got to know when to step away. But, you know, people that kind of do it as a hobby, that you've you kind of set yourself up to them. Right. Never really. Well, that's what he was saying about moving back to Jersey and what not to is like we would he said you're as a comedian, you're always getting data. And you're always like as a sponge like absorbing what's going around you and what, where you can find a goo for a laugh on that, you know, every interaction is a possibility for a bit, you know. So when you surround, when you surround yourself in this kind of unusual and unique surroundings of like a melting pot of people, you're obviously going to get a good

drawn, some good good jokes I imagine. Yeah, and that's kind of a big part of something they covered where they're talking about how everything is so divided and polarized. And you know, people are just at each other's throat arguing. It's like, we can't even find the comedy in our regular lives right now. I will say a lot of areas. It's like nothing. But it's funny. I will say a lot of areas. It's like nothing. It's funny. I will say other than a lot of the politics stuff, seems like everything with the news just

keeps moving. Like there's only, you can only be popular for a matter of time. It seems like even this Joe thing has kind of been put on the back burner for a week now. If it's like you're not in the, you're not hurting somebody, you're doing something bad, you're not going to be in the news from whatever narrative they want to paint. You know, it's like if you're just doing your thing, like, you're not hurting somebody you're doing something bad. You're not gonna be in the news from whatever narrative they want to paint You know, it's like if you're just doing your thing like yeah, it's happened. It's like Now we're just the normalized people that are still talking and doing the same stuff, but either way it Well, they look I mean with him they saw that they couldn't cancel things. So what are they gonna do?

Any together another silly video the choice to make them look bad? It's like the tin work played on your car. So jump. So it's like now you got what else you got? Yeah, I mean look, unless he'd like now screw something, you know, really badly, but it would be difficult to. Did you notice that Spotify now, even when you go into the like look at Rogan episodes There is a blue line Above certain ones that talks about COVID information And you click on it Like they've added it to some it says learn about COVID-19 and you click on it. It takes you to a page and I think also other

Podcasts that have discussed it like there's BBC on there Let's see is it MPR a few things like that journal So it's like this kind of offsetting. I guess that's like their way of Dealing with this this thing happened. I don't want to get into all that stuff, but it's uh I know but they I guess they have to write this stock has been I know, but I guess they have to write this stock has been tanked. So they got to do something. And the weird thing this week, and it's part of the reason why we're only doing two, is for some reason they would like disappearing from my app.

And people have been talking about that. I didn't really notice this. Because they just play in my car, but for some reason people were saying, oh, Rogan's like disappearing from Spotify a couple of times last week. Like, I guess the whole thing. That's a whole apathy. We should go back and watch that last episode, because if that was the case, I mean, that his name was Maggi Nawaz, I believe, and he was a former Islamist.

Yeah, he's a former Islamist Yeah, he's a former Islamist turned counter extremist activists author of multiple books and public speaker I mean it was if that was the one that was being pulled off a years given the prior nature and temperature of what's been going on with us in this Podcast in general that would be an interesting one for them to pull off a years and might be an interesting thing to research because that one is incredibly on the other side. But we don't need to talk about it. Yeah, I mean, it's still there, but that one does have the little COVID thing above it. So does the Michael one. And, you know, so I guess Michael was more like pro, the narrative that's going on, but I guess they still put it on right. So basically anything that is talking about that, I wonder, and I was thinking about this

the other day, I'm like, we're on Spotify. People listen to us through that app. I wonder if we're supposed to put like a thing on there if we discuss it. We're not going to talk. So we're going to qualify and then miss information. Like who says who like who says who would we'll save it? Well, say some people that's the thing. It just some people say some things. Some people say other things, but one people has a little more power because they're in control right now. That's the thing.

So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it is, but it's an interesting thing. It's it's it's it's a fucking miss. I mean, think about all the new terms that have been coined since this thing. I mean, they're just like made up words that it's obviously taken a bad taste in all of our mouths and in our lives at this point. It's just something that we're dealt with for this long, but let's just keep moving in the right direction. Let's get Joey. Let's get Joey performing. Yeah, I mean, look, there's one thing for sure that everybody could always agree on. It's like anything deemed misinformation, right, is like even if you agree, even if you're like a person

that's like, yes, I think that is. So so therefore we're doing the right thing by saying that that is misinformation Well, it's all well and good until people decide the way you're saying is misinformation And what are those people sit there thinking well, I never say a hundred percent Like what you might one day. That's what I mean that's right somebody might change you one day And then where are you you could think or say, that makes sense, things change. All of a sudden, it's the same people that were upset about it, then out fighting for that.

You call it, you know, first thing that I'm right. What's happening right now, is that, is that what you're doing? Sounds pretty accurate. Right. Guess it's all interpretation anyway anyway oh and they ended it with Elon talking about Elon donating that 6 billion I don't know if we talked about that but yeah I guess he donated that to like the what was it word how awesome is that we don't know about that that's awesome right dude legend he just put it out I guess they can like review his taxes after a

so period of time and he was like yeah I did do what I said I mean talk about a charity donation I did do exactly what I said I was gonna do but you guys can still hate on me all you want that's he's turning out to be a huge character guy that's why I think that you got to agree with Electric. I would like to see him. I wonder if he'd even have a dispute with a BP guy, or if he's even on that side. I would like to hear Elon's take on that,

just especially given the fact that he does make rockets. I guess his priorities would probably. Well, yeah, I mean, think about it. He has the Gigafactories. He wants, he has what's the solar company owns He has that too. So he's definitely on that other side. I mean for sure and he's doing a great job with that stuff He'd be a great like he's been a bunch of Has the along the set for an update soon. It was on the report just to bring it back is so refreshing to hear

Talk. Yeah, he'll be on. I mean he's living in Austin. He's definitely gonna be here. Joe's voice was so refreshing It's a it's a it feels like things are getting back You know, you know, yeah, it's you'd me up for sure. I could listen to him Rand on old day like no doubt. Oh Lex Friedman is interviewing Mark's lecture. Brayden. Uh, I saw I heard it talking about that.

That's going to be interesting. That's definitely worth a listen. I don't think that I've ever heard like a really long conversation with him. Usually it's just him saying like kind of do a shit for like, you know, Lex, I'm going to do his research. So that'll be a great conversation to hear. I think that'd be good for sure. For sure. All right and then the last thing I want to talk about which is something that I actually implemented because remember that guy was on recently about how all the things are stealing

your data like go on all those they like take all your data they're doing it all the time so you should get like different IPs or use duck duck go or like the different browsers and then like Alexa is listening and stealing your thing I mean what Joey said at the end and who knows if it's true but he has a friend that's like going to jail for something Alexa like overheard I don't know the whole like how that would have come about but that's just nuts to think about. I'm meant to see it was like, should we unplug this thing? All I use it for is like that. I don't know, no way.

You always keep it. You always think to yourself, you're like, I'm not that important all up until you are. And they wanna listen to, all up until you come across that. So you say something really dumb. We'll check in and they're like, yeah. Let's keep on, let's keep on.

Let's keep on, let's keep on. And then they can just put together a friggin' smash video on you no matter what. That seems to be the new play. Right. It sounds like some minority report stuff. It seems like that seems to be the direction we're headed. Like let's get them before. Well, what are they reference to Black Mirror, right?

It's like a Black Mirror episode. It's just getting, it's getting on it's definitely different predicting the social credit score a situation I don't know that's for another day, but seems to be But yeah, I don't I don't like the sound of that one either probably because all Social credit will be so low slow down They think we our social crypto will be so low. Slow down. They won't let us in anywhere. We're working on it now. They think we're guys. We work on it.

We're already in there with minds. Well, yeah, so I'll put the link in the bio for some funny Joey videos just so once you guys are done listening to that, you watch those. They're pretty good. And yeah, guys, thank you as always. Also, we got featured in Bloomberg and Forbes did a piece on us and I'll put a link to the

article in the bio and look if you're fans of the show thank you very much we love you appreciate the show and yeah check it out have a read. Peace and love, peace.