Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 262 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Daniel Holtzman Et al.

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

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Join us always by my sidekick Coming in what's happening hot what's up buddy Good to see you guys. How are you? How's life and Venice life is good man. We've had some great weather out here Yeah, it's everything's getting back to normal. It seems we still have the nice individual businesses deciding what the Individual businesses are gonna do in the mass mandate even though the State of the Union address was last night, and I believe none of those guys were wearing masks But either way it is what it is, but we're riding it out you're getting that

Yeah, that that would be a weird state of the union though if they were wearing masks Like I mean how would that not be? That seemed like that would have been the situation. How they done that a year ago. Yeah. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. What's warming up here in Boseman?

Got to say, yeah, nice day. It's going to get cold again, but it was like 40s, maybe even 50s today. Yeah, doable. Very doable. Oh, on my drive today I drove from Zooler to Boseman and I drove past one of those trucker Convoys and all the bridges had people on you know waving flags and freedom signs and I guess that going out I

Soon to DC right is that where the other one? I assumed the DC right is that where they're going. I believe so. I mean There were a lot of people man. It was miles and miles long I was like holy shit. You got to respect that you got to respect that there's no way around it. That's some tremendous human behavior. I'll give you that well the Find for freedom bro. Find for freedom. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, I wanted to start out real quick before we get going into the reviews of the week and we got some good ones in there So I'm looking forward to talking about them But what did you think about the Lex Friedman Mark Zuckerberg

Podcast obviously we don't usually review other podcasts other than Rogan, but I just felt like Lex is a legend also Mark doesn't do these sorts of interviews. So You know, I just wanted to get a feel for like what you thought about him like did this humanizing a bit more The like him on do you think he's more of a robot? Well, the first two things you said made it, he didn't have himself, nothing to do but a favor. Like I felt a lot more intrigued to hear what he has to say. I think we've made reference to Elon Musk

and thinking that he might not have everybody's worst interest at hand, it kind of just decide. That's what you decide. Well, I don't think Mark Zuckerberg has everybody's worst interest to hand. It didn't feel that way at all. I think having a family, having a wife and I think he made a good point. He's like, I don't do this for money. You know what I mean?

At this point, he's like, I don't know. It's like, we talk about, do you do it for power just because you have that much money? I don't know. It seemed like he was trying to work for a better tomorrow from my perspective. What do you think? Oh, okay. Well, I mean, look, he's been a billionaire since he was like early 20s, I think. Right. I mean, when you've been that rich for that long, you pray don't, you know, you just after a point, you can't see value in money. Right. You know, you just after a point you can't see value in money. Right. Surely.

I mean, when Jordan Peterson talks about like you make anything over 70, what is it? 60, 70 grand. Money doesn't make you any happier. I mean, bro, when you have, you know, 40 billion, I mean, at that point, it's like, well, what the fuck? He could buy an island. He could buy a country. It's got to it. It's like, what? You can't fix an island, he could buy a country. It's got to it. It's like what?

He can't affect your relationships. I don't know. Probably I don't want to say a negative way, but everybody's coming at you at all times with their own angle, like 24 hours in there. Oh, dude, that yeah, he's been, he's been, people have been coming at him a lot, you know, and especially since that movie, theilemma, which brought up some very interesting points that need to be addressed. You know, I don't know what I think. I don't think that I disliked him. I mean, there was nothing, he's not like an Elon to me. He doesn't inspire me.

It doesn't get me pumped, you know, just like whatever he does. I never even gave a shit about Facebook. I barely used it. And honestly, I like the VR stuff, but I wasn't really that pumped about what he was saying about the metaverse either. I'm like, yeah, kinda sounds cool, maybe. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm just like, I just felt like there was, it just didn't, it wasn't selling me on it. It's not like I'm't know. I'm just like, I just felt like there was... It just didn't... It wasn't selling me on it. It's not like I'm waiting around. Like, oh, can't wait to get in there and build my avatar. It's like, come on. Yeah, I'm sure half of it's marketing, but at the same time, it's... I don't know. It's an interesting... You know, maybe we'll be doing pauses the meta soon, with all avatars. I mean, what he was describing, I can imagine if you could be sitting in a room with your

avatar and it's acting exactly as you are. I don't know, I mean, even this Zoom call is kind of avatars, if you want to call it avatar-esque, but this is like real life, you know. Yeah. Who knows. Avatar-esque, but this is like real life, you know? Yeah, you know Well, yeah, it was interesting anyway. I mean it he certainly didn't make me dislike him I mean I think that if he does a few more of those I'm glad that he did it on Lex and not on Rogan to be perfectly honest I feel like those two nerds together probably could connect more of those. I'm glad that he did it on Lex and not on Rogan to be perfectly honest.

I feel like those two nerds together probably could connect Bata, you know, whereas I think Rogan, I don't know, I just don't think that Mark would have loosened up enough on Rogan to know he'd have to get some bunch of whiskers. I mean, it's super articulate and well thought out obviously. So all of his responses were spot on. It seemed to have almost rehearsed those questions at some point. But I doubt it. I know.

No, I doubt it. Lex wanted done that. I mean, I'm sure there was some things that Mark said. Look, I'm not going to talk about this. And I don't want it to, you know, I'm sure he put some. Some climbers. Some little disc lane. Yeah. But otherwise, I'm sure even Lacks just because he's a, he's a man of integrity. And he was probably like, listen, what, what comes up comes up and you got to, this, what, what this is. I mean, Zucker anyway, because

it is what it is. I think Zuckerberg's got two kids now and I think that he's like I said I think that he's I don't think he has evil intent. I just I don't know. It is what it is. Yeah, I think it's one of those I think he invented a thing that just snowballs into something and he's he's playing catch up the whole time. It's almost like that guy from Twitter. You know, he I feel like he was doing the say he's like look I fucking I'm trying to figure this out too. It's like it's moving fast and it's and it's hard to like stay at some fairly accurate. I would imagine All right, let's jump over to the pods of the week Daniel Holtzmann chef author of food IQ Let's jump over to the parts of the week. Daniel Holtzman, Chef, Author, Food IQ. This one is a fun one for me to review or for us to review. Because Daniel trains at street sports, Brazilian Jiu-Ju in Santa Monica with

Nato and the guys up there. I knew him from up there. I didn't know it well. Like, I took me a minute to recognize him actually and then I saw, I was like, shit, I know that guy. And it just took me a second. And I think he was a brown belt when I was training up there. He's black belt now. Always a nice guy though and what's great about that school is you know I was

a blue belt when I was there and he you know oftentimes one you don't really always get to train with many black belts when you're a blue belt and sometimes they're not that they're dismissive, but they're there they're trained seriously and they focus on their thing But if I ever roll with him he was always patient, you know If you mess the move or he got you in something he'd explain it. I mean, he's really is that that genuine He's a good guy. He's he's always been a good dude But there's that's pretty much everyone up there. That just a culture they have like everyone's cool with with all the different people in general That it's just a very helpful like friendly school to be at and Yeah, I mean I miss it time I miss it time, but that's cool that

That's you know a guy that and now is on here you know it's it's it's just it's awesome I think I can't remember if I knew he was a chef I think he may have talked about it but I I don't think I I knew all that much but what's great about this podcast is it's one of those ones that if you enjoy the, you know, the cooks and chefs that come on Rogan and that sort of talk, I mean, obviously it's all food, but it always makes me fucking agree. This was a, this was a really good version of those types of shows. Sure. I mean, that conversation was great. Daniel was, was really good on that.

Absolutely. Yes. Funny. Even talking about how he was delivering pizzas as a kid, then his buddy was delivering pizzas on the rollerblades. How he kind of got started. It's like, great. It just inspires me to cook too. Whenever, you know, they start talking about this, that and the I mean when you think about it it's a big investment like unless you've got great areas for like good barbecues and like I'm sure smoking all the meat takes some time but it is one of those things that I'm like one day I want to

get like a wanter those grills that he makes. I mean what better way to bring people together than food I mean, and it's obviously food and drinks are the best way to Develop community And especially with those grills that he was making did you see those that big-ass grill that he made that was insane No, I was driving during that bit, but they whether you say he has like hammers on You need to get a glass of water. No, I was driving during that bit, but they what do you say he has like hammers on? You need to get a glass of water. No, no, I apologize. Get your cough. You got COVID. Let's go. Go ahead. If you not been wearing your mask,

I we talked about this. You got to take care of yourself. I apologize. I give it a go. We get your cough button as soon as I figure out how that works. Yeah, but yeah, those grills, I mean some of them, I would love one of those traggers that you can like, you connect it to your phone and you control the temperature with that and it just kind of basically tells you when it's done. It's like, oh, connect it to Wi-Fi. How fucking brilliant is that, I guess? Real smart, you get the same product every time. He was talking about, as a chef,

how he feels, semi embarrassed to use those. I don't know, I think if you know what you're gonna get, by the way, you're gonna cook something that's some solid about that. Yeah, look, as long as the food comes out good, he gives a shit how you did it right? Come on It is funny though how he talks about dropping out of culinary school and that keeps coming up over and over with these

Chef now is either one or two things It's like it is that that like going to culinary school doesn't necessarily Make you into this great chef or It's the type of people that would drop out and then still become awesome at chef in that Rogan seems to just have You know what I mean? It's like yeah, I love those guys to say fuck this. I'm out. I'm open in a restaurant anyway Like you said, it's quite the time dedication People think that you're just gonna go make some tear mace or something There's a lot there's a lot that goes into it expensive it's expensive too

Oh those cold and airy guys and from anybody the way he described it to I mean I grew up in restaurants I had there was a few Italian restaurants that were like on the higher end and that's how it was It's like the way he was talking about it. He said, if you want to go to culinary school, you're probably going to work at one of those corporate jobs or on a cruise on a cruise line or you can get a nice job that's paying you whatever. But he said, like, you compared it to like, if you want to start like an avant-garde, I think was the adjective he used.

Just your, yeah, you end up like in a, in a, what would it be like a catering company or something? Well, that, I mean, that's, like, or just your own standalone restaurant where there's like just one of them, you know, and you're known for a certain thing. You, I mean, you just developed that kind of, I don't know, I think there's a lot of that stem from French restaurants to be honest but like French culinary that's what they always go that's what they always go to as the best I believe

yeah right I think so yeah I mean the French chefs are well-founded you know renowned world renowned I mean this the timing of that story where he's working over there for free, like, you know, just helping out in the kitchen and that guy comes in because the chef went home and it makes it, makes him look like he's doing everything, you know, I mean, perfect timing. Talk about taking advantage of an opportunity. Absolutely. I think that's a great story. I mean, talk about right place, right time. That's what he was saying too as far as a kid He said he was been in the kitchen since he was a kid. Have you had anything like that as whenever you were a kid thinking about being a cook to some degree? There's a

No, you know not at all. I didn't really Start enjoying cooking and really getting into cooking honestly until COVID hit and you know I'm in Santa Monica we're all just in our place doing you know nothing quarantine and I just got really into cooking learning spices watching YouTube videos and I'm like shit I should have been doing this for like 20 years everything just started to taste so much better. I'm like, I've just totally been short-changing myself in eating crap. It's like, oh, eggs in this and that.

I'm like, I didn't even add anything good in this. So lazy. It is fun. I mean, you can make food. Byin. It's good to have. My Instagram feed is full of just all food stuff. Seems like when he was talking about with Joe's time

or they make the meal, like one thing after another and then you see all that preparation and ingredients all within like 30 seconds. It's pretty cool how they break it down. It's pretty cool. I follow almost all of those like barbecue. Oh yeah. Like all day it's just showing people,

you know, preparing these massive chunks of meat, smoking them, putting the spices on, squishing them off, like, you know, they just break it up with their hands and it always looks so good. I'm like, I need to get some of those fucking chips. When they talked about smoking that turkey, was it a story for Thanksgiving

or they would just smoke in it? I don't think that's- But that I'm like yeah, I think they're smoking it, but yeah, that sounds amazing The long oh and duck me yeah, they brought up duck me dude duck is You ever have much like creamy almost what you say? Yeah, and it's a dark and it definitely is quite dark Pretty amazing. What are they serve is that source called Houston Houston source of some cousins. I've probably had I probably had dark Once or twice maybe in my life, but I just remember being pretty Rich but it was something I would get.

It is. There's a really, I think it's like a, I think you get it from like Chinese food. Yeah. They do like a really cool, done, dish that comes with like, Houston sauce and then you get like these. I don't know, like, is it like a red thing that you eat it with? Some sort of rap. Anyway, yeah, that's a great dish. It definitely is. That always make reference to barbecue, obviously,

and the Vermont. What was he talking about when he was selling? Montana's known for it, you know? What was it like hot sauce and hands soap? Wait, you screwing up something? What's going on? Back now. You hear me? What would you do? I just leaned back.

He rode you on your own back. Dude, we're supposed to be. I'm right here. I just leaned back and I came off there. We're back. Sorry. You know, it's who knows. All right. But yeah, it wasn't he selling. was it hot sauce he was making or something, but he wasn't allowed to so he pretended it was not so. Yeah, because if you and then the the health department like shut it up. You see ferment that food it's supposed to be not as healthy

or not safe to eat. That's what he was making reference to. Yeah. I think so or he just like didn't have permission to sell it that way. So he had to say it was something else. I don't know. I say good effort. Least each one. But yeah, he was like they weren't standing. The health department was not falling for that one. They got him right away. That's interesting. I mean, I have I wonder if they had a tip or something because I'd be you'd be hard-pressed to see a health department guy come in and go through your whole refrigerator and freezer and look at everything I don't know maybe I'm wrong but maybe yeah I don't know well I mean who knows maybe it was like left on the table and the restaurant and he's like why would hands so be on the then tasted it and he's like this is I don we're doing. I don't know, I thought hands. This is some spicy ass hands.

So it would be worse. I was thinking some Tyler dirt and shit, something I don't know. Mm-hmm. Right. He kind of ended the pod talking about training. So of course, because I know some of these guys are one of the end of that. He mentioned coach Adam and

Yeah Coach Adam is he's a he's a bad motherfucker. I think he's a second degree black belt Yeah, but like very very good fair so technical. I mean he's not a huge guy and so technical. I mean, he's not a huge guy. And I mean, number one, if he gets all of you dead instantly, that's the first thing. If this is me, and because he's constantly training up there, competes a lot. I mean, his, his, you get to a so sharp, what I really like about, and with all the professors that I've worked with, I mean really the best ones that I've ever come across are street sports. I mean, Cron is obviously amazing, and working with him is just a gift. But the group that they have over at street boss is just unbelievable. I mean, the way that Coach Adam will just kind of adjust

just these tiny bits of your game, like just a little bit of a foot movement or just try this, grab, I mean, it's night day. I mean, he'd do like the tiniest adjustments on you. He sees everything and it changes the whole way that you do any move and it's just really like he's always this is in Santa Monica yeah that when you went to oh that is the one I went yeah you you went up there that one so that one's re-opened and I take it because Holtzman said that he yeah it's It's back open. Yeah, they trained up there.

So Dr. Charlie is another one of the incredible instructors up there. His classes were always fantastic. Theo was the coach that night when we were in. Yeah, Theo's a legend. There's just so many guys. I mean, Rodrigo that does a lot of the administrative stuff up there. I think he's now a purple belt. And he was just a blue bow when I knew him, but he was always training up there. This guy weighs like, I don't know, 130 pounds. It's tiny and there was nothing I could ever do to that guy He was just so ridiculous and he was a vegan which I always

gave my hard time about because I find that funny So I always pick on him about that and every time you roll you just look at me and go You're not gonna let a vegan be you are you and then just would destroy me. Oh, the talent pool of that like No wonder that guy is so passionate about training up there. It's funny that he did bring up Cron as well and I happen to move and get to train with him. How's that work? I mean, I went in there that first night.

So if you're just a guy off the side of the street, you're just like, I want to do this. And then I'll start training with you right now. How's that work? What do you mean? What do you mean? As far as just the process goes, you just walk in and say, I don't want'll start training with you right now. How's that work? What do you mean? As far as just the process goes, you just walk in and say, I don't want to start training because I remember I rolled with those guys and did a few of those drills,

but that's the sound works. It was to show up. Well, you would go up there. You do, they like sign you up. You do your first class, whether you bought a gear or not, and that's it, you're in. They just put you in the beginning class, and you start training. And then, and you know, it's up to you, whether you come back, I mean, you know, the first six months really

is the hardest. You get past that, and you're going to be hooked. And that's it, you'll never quit. I mean, obviously people do, but I mean, yeah, you get past the first six months, you're in good shape for the rest of training. But one thing's for sure, you should go to multiple schools because they're not all the same. You don't have to take the first one you come across, but sometimes you lock out.

I mean, it just happened to be a lived in Santa Monica. I didn't know what the schools there were like, and it really is like one of the top schools in the US for sure. The phenomenal place. He said, all right, let's. I was just going to say he was trying to train over at Eddie Bravos during COVID, but they were tight and up the reins there. I believe or something. He made reference to. Yeah, they they were being super cautious about COVID. Just so, you know, because they just close and everything down. So they had size.

I mean, yeah. All right, let's jump over to who we doing all Diana. Say they wrote a book. They're big into the meat diets. Really the feel for this podcast from a nutritional standpoint. I mean, my younger brother is mostly a vegetarian and he lives in England and I said, hey, you should listen to this one. And I wanted to get some feedback on it because they kind of covered really a lot of that conversation that is like, you know, meat is bad, it's unhealthy,

the animals take all this energy, if we just grew grain and people ate that, it's better for the environment, that kind of narrative that you always hear. But I think what they did is they just really looked into it. They're like, okay, well, what is the truth? What is the healthiest way to eat? What does take the most energy is having a field of cows actually bad for the environment as compared to other crops that you could grow. And I think they,

you know, they found that some of the answers are a different than we've been here at. So it's a good bit of information, you know. I'm sure some people out there are like, well, it's misinformation. They can just claim anything. I mean, this is another example of it. My girl's vegetarian as well, and she listened to this one, or at least some bits and pieces of it and she It's hard to It's hard to neglect some of the facts that seem to go on and it's interesting and this is no disrespect of

Vegetarians or vegans out there, but the way they described it being more of a culture and more of like a I want to see that's almost like a virtuous thing to go to like look down on other people that could get some blowback But it kind of just feels that way sometimes. When in reality, there's all these other byproducts that are a product of what happens whenever you have to do all this farming and whatnot to make, you know? There's no doubt that some of them do kind of virtue signaling the sense of, that some of them do kind of virtue signal in the sense of, you know, they, it's, it's like, you try and talk to a vegan about it and like they're gonna bring up, like it's for not just health, but it's for, you know, environmental concerns and they just have all these, kind of other bits that they have to throw in, that, you know, I don't know, it's

just like I don't sit there and say all the way that I eat is because of all these, you know, very specific reasons that make me virtuous or like more considerate. It just kind of makes you feel like you're not considerate for just eating food that makes you feel good. It's like this. It's not like I'm just eating cake. I mean, I'm talking about eating meat. And then I work out a lot and I feel good and I have energy to do it. And I'm 40 and it was. Exactly. And you don't the way he described I don't need a ton of me either but I will say it's something that if you have like a stake, you know, it's you're not going to want two stakes like a stake or work. It's like yeah, you're going to get fulfilled and you're going to get nutrients from the food. I don't know how much I don't know. I just eaten fruits and vegetables the whole day. It's like I don't know. Hopefully you be fulfilled. What do you mostly eat? I thought I didn't realize that you didn't eat. I mean I don't cut it. I don't cut it out like I had

chicken this evening just like a couple chicken tacos, but at the same time I just a lot of the stuff I eat is just veggie burgers or I'll eat just veggie options very often. But that's interesting. I mean, not for any specific reason either. Like, I don't know. I want to say it makes me feel better. I don't know if that's really the case, but just seems to be a bit, just seems to be a lighter. It's I get it, but you know, when they're talking about what goes into those things Like the beyond yeah, or whatever the beyond better I don't know and then yeah when they it's interesting that what do they say it's P protein and It's interesting that what do they say is P protein and starch or like potato protein and then it's they're like well it takes like

Whatever tempos the protein extraction. It's like hold on how how much energy does it take to grow 10 potatoes for one burger feasible As that that's even like something that you would do like something that you would do. To be honest though, it is funny they said about, you know, because they did kind of tout that burger as like the healthy alternative to blah blah blah and you haven't heard a lot about it recently. And you know, it's like I wasn't surprised to hear that it's it's like kind of being seen as just a pretty processed blob of stuff and when they talk about that bioavailability and how you just you just not getting the nutrients Out of it that you would From some meat. I mean

This the fact that I don't know that itself is odd but Beyond me. It's a why you've been trying to make it meet. Just call it and even ever they're talking about like almond milk It's like no man. It's almond water. Let's be honest here. It's like Tea it's all mom tea Do you think they add something to it to make it look milky just so you think it's milk? I mean, that would be the only thing that makes sense because when I do a serverless some coffee or something, it looks like milk. This is like soy milk at.

Yeah, a bit of all those milks are like that. Like coconut, all of them. They just come out very milky looking. I wonder if they do just go, all right, this one's kind of like brown looking, looking at, looking at, putting some white food coloring in there. So it keeps the same standard across the board. What was that, that dish they were talking about where someone was like eating a banana skin. Is it like videos? They're trying to say that banana skin is are super poisonous, weren't they?

It's not super poisonous, but there was some toxin in that so that bugs and animals don't want to eat it. And somebody was cooking it up like spaghetti. Yeah, I've seen both. That's interesting. Maybe when you cook it, it takes that toxin out. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What, why you just don't eat bananas?

What's going on here? I see where from the skins. That's the bit you throw away. I will say that. Like don't come up with a fancy way to eat it, just because like, Ever since I've thought about fruit as nature's candy, it's kind of I'd kind of appreciate it a little bit more to be honest.

I've always loved fruit, but it's definitely. If you look at it from that way, you can see it's that was like nature's way of providing you your natural sugar without having to eat. Just got me a bear's. Well, I mean, it's designed that way, right? It wants creatures to eat it. It's why it makes it sweet and makes it like that. I mean, it's like the bit that the plant wants you to do, not pull the whole plant up

and eat it, because the plant wants to live. So they both have celiacs disease. Do you know anybody that has that? I've known a few people that have had it. Um, a lot of people that I've worked with and whatnot. Like some of them had it really bad. If they'd have like even a piece of bread, they'd look like they were like nine months pregnant. Like within a couple of days, it was just like crazy inflammation. It sounds, it sounds super uncomfortable to have that Like just like any stomach problems generally. Oh, they really are other than maybe like toothaches

It's like the words and say toothaches are frickin brutal of all brutalness, but yeah Um, I wanted to make mention the one thing on this one. It's interesting how they were talking about your health and how the pandemic kind of accentuated the fact that how loneliness can is so detrimental for your health. Did you remember I'm talking about that? That's right. Yeah, it was one of the factors that, and what do they say, having really good social interactions in networks is very positive for your mental state.

It makes sense. It like beats out cancer exponentially. Well, loneliness is horrific. You know what I mean? Like, it's good to get a bit of time away. You know, you take a break, bit of solitary stuff. You know, maybe get a sweet Airbnb or go stay in a cabin for a minute

and just kind of get in touch with yourself. But that's if you're coming from a place of like, oh, I have a lot of people that I know and a big social network and like I'm interacting a lot, but it's a lot. I need a bit of a break for me. But if you're just someone that really doesn't know a lot of people and you want to and you're just not able to connect, I mean, that's got a really fuck with you. Kind of torturous, right?

Um, oh, for sure. I liked how he said to as far as exercise he might, he said it just in passing, but he goes at its essence. He goes, if you're in better shape, you're harder to kill. And I was like, I like, I like stood out to me. Like he just said it like that. I was like, fuck yeah, man. I can appreciate that. Yeah, that's true, right?

I mean, for sure. I just think with that, it's like, you know, any time you're working your body, you're doing just so many beneficial things, but you want you're getting all that energy out of your system. That if it just stays in there, just kind of pence up, goes nuts inside you. But then you get hungry for the right foods. I mean, can you imagine having a killer workout, like a really long, good one,

followed by solid soreness and sweats and then just going and eating, I don't know, like a giant. Yeah, I don't want to be as filling. You just, it just wouldn't work. Like your body is like, nah, we got to get something good in there. You know, it needs some real fuel. It's like it almost tells you.

I will say if your body is at its last moment, you're like, I will eat anything, but I do agree with you 100% Totally different feeling though when you like late night on a Friday and you've been drinking for You know so many hours and then all of a sudden there's a taco truck. You're like, I'll eat anything They have interesting that he said like I think 85% of vegans Turned back three months in was that I think that was one of the facts that they threw out. 85% of people that approach veganism just throw in the towel three months in.

I don't know how they get that stuff. Not surprised. I mean, you know, for one, I mean, look at it like anything, right? It's a change. Change is a hard to stick with, regardless. If you used to eating meat and other things, I mean, you go vegan, that's limiting a lot of what you eat.

I mean, I'm sure the stats are pretty similar people that do keto. Yeah. Maybe it's even shorter, you know, carnivals not easy to keep up. You gotta be real disciplined to that. And, you know, and you hear those stories too, that people not feeling while eating that type of food.

Some people do fine with it. I mean, like I said, I knew guys at Jiu Jitsu, there were vegans and did fine. They never seemed to have any problems and they were happy with it. But for some people, I messes them up. I mean, everyone's just kind of different. I think Joe made that point like, you know, why hop on anyone? That's what they eat. Unless, unless it's clearly unhealthy, if they're just bags of chips and don't have an ice cream every day and they look like shit, but

they're lazy and way overweight. That mean there was an interesting fact that they kind of I don't know how much basis they this holds but Hong Kong having the highest meat consumption and the longest junk longevity of lifespan. That was kind of an interesting correlation no. I do there are healthy people I mean I've been the Japan is very few fat people that I saw, honestly. I mean, there are thin people and yeah, they eat a lot of meat and good meats too. I mean, just the way that they prepare so much of their food, there's so much good food there. And obviously they eat a ton of fish, which is all the omega oils that you want to get in you. I mean, yeah.

It's just, it's almost like it is a narrative that we can't push. It's like you rarely hear like, hey, guess what I found out, guys? If you eat a lot of meat, you're actually really healthy. It's almost like taboo, like you can't talk about that. Why can't we just be in a, in a situa, like a place of dialogue with each other where we're just like, Hey, I found this out. Let's be open to it. Let's discuss it instead of, oh no, that's not good for you. So it's just so fucking dismissive. I'm like, are we gonna get to the truth if everybody talks like this?

I mean honestly if it works for you then it works for you I don't really have any basis or any input on it It's just I think when it comes down to that virtue it seems like almost sometimes If you're vegan and you don't maybe you don't share a similar progressive view. And this is me generalizing. But if you know the similar progressive view, people that are vegan are be like, you shouldn't even be a vegan. You know what I mean? If you don't fit into the categories like XYZ, it seems to be like, maybe that's oversimplifying, but I could see that kind of correlating. Well, I grew up vegetarian. So, you know, from when when I was born so when I moved to the US I

mean I probably ate meat like twice really I mean I just ate you know wasn't a vegan diet I would have eggs cheese and you talked about having that I'm not chicken nugget that one time I think or something didn't you? Yeah, yeah, I think I had like a piece of bacon once and it was so few and far between but like, you know, you're a kid you want to try some things. But I was like, I felt guilty for it because I was just raised to not think that way. But I also ate all that kind of fake meat Stuff that they talked about, you know, it's like Trying to think like veggie burgers they had and they try and make it a Bit like meat and veggie sausages and Little shit, I mean this is the 80s before they had like good stuff

But it was good. I was like all of this so is so much. They have veggie options at your schools. I don't remember them having. I don't know. Oh, yeah. In England, they've been very pro-vegetarian for a long time. I can't recall. I don't know. They were good.

I used to be quite jealous, actually, sometimes a lunch. What's in my friends just eating all the meat options? I'm like, ah, down there, they look so good. Smells great. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm like, ah, damn, that looks so good. Smells great. Yeah, that's interesting. What do you, well, that said, what do you think about me, this Monday's in these New York schools now, huh?

You know, I mean, it's hard to say, right? Because I understand where they were coming from and having it be like, maybe this is taking nutrition away from kids, I mean, that's obviously bad. But, you know, there's also fat kids, obese kids. And yeah, and it probably, if they're living in a house that just feeds them a lot of junk food and they're overweight, giving them two days a week

of eating, you know, like a kind of a low calorie low. Yeah, that's No me option might might I don't know just kind of educate them or give them a chance to try different types That sounds I guess there's pros that sounds good in theory But if you're serving them fake nuggets with French fries and there's more French fries who you helping? I don't know. That's the thing, but I don't know what those meals look like, you know? I mean, time will tell. I mean, what they said a lot of that though about those kids, like certain kids had the meat, like the vegetarian diets, the higher calorie diet, and then the meat diets, and the kids with the meat diets could function the best.

So I mean, if that's true, regardless of all things, like if the research on that is true, let's just say it is for the point of the conversation, I mean, wouldn't you want to give your kids the best nutrition regardless? I mean, they're growing, they're growing like, you know, they need all of that in there. And then they were talking about the, was it the B12 deficiency? Yeah, I bet. Like, you can't get B12 from anything other than me, as well. Apparently that's from the few vegetarians that I talked to that seems to be the leg that they seem

That what was called carnivore diet more or less leans on is that B12 argument But I don't know apparently it's been proven in some Study in Poland or something, but I just made that up but This is misinformation but I just made that up, but I don't know, parent. This is misinformation, man. We're gonna have to put a disclaimer on the podcast, man. Who knows, but... I thought you could just supplement B12 though, but they were saying that I guess not from...

Yeah, the tarot symbols and megas and stuff, the way that she was describing it, it replicates it in your system, but it doesn't actually absorb it as like nutrients to your body. So it kind of is counterintuitive, you know? Like it recognizes the B12, but it's not absorbing it. And it's entirety, it's just kind of faking your body out. So.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, the fact that it ended with the bill of Melinda Gates foundation pushing to get this like fake meat out there Yeah, I don't know what it is about that guy. I don't want to be like the conspiracy theorist But it seems to be like he steps in to things like the vaccine thing and now this food thing and it's I'm just I Just get more and more suspicious like I'm not even sure what is it just more polarizing because people are probably reaching out to him because he has a bigger platform and saying

well Bill what do you think about this or is it the entirety of him just putting his nose into these things you think? Well Bill Gates has a lot of money right he's a powerful individual he's He's like the richest man in the world for decades. And I don't know. I guess that just kind of always makes me suspicious of what he's up to. He's buying a lot of land. Yeah. I want to believe that he's only trying to do really good things, but it's just hard to know. It's like, okay, if what these guys are saying is true, and this, you know, a needing meat

and these things really gets the right nutrient centers, and then there's some super billionaire that has access to all the best sciences, pushing some sort of other food narrative. I don't know, just makes me think, what's going on here? Yeah, he owns what, the most farmland by a single person or something like that, is that true? Something, I mean, that's what Rogan said a few times. I've heard...

I think I read some article somewhere that was saying how much farmland he's bought up. Right. I don't know, I'm just saying, keep going on. Let's make sure he's good to. He's recently divorced. He's out on the prowl now. That's it. He's back on Tinder.

Tinder for billionaires. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's jump over to, he's the last guy here. Oh, Ben Burgess. Ben Burgess. Philosophy professor wrote a book about canceling comedians

with like woke ideology stuff. Yeah, he, I mean, he'd wrote going to ask them to make reference to why he called the title that's like four or five times and they finally got around to it. And he was saying, it makes sense. He just was trying to catch you title, but he was saying it because everything that, not everything, but obviously,

there's been blowback on Dave and obviously Joe, but Dave Shapell's stand up, they bring out this like, couple of little tidbits and then polarize those things, and then try and make it into sound bites, you know. It just seems like, when I heard that title, I was thinking to myself, I liked the title and I was thinking to myself that it kind of is a good thing to point out

because comedians should be the last people that you take seriously enough to want to cancel that. If you're canceling like politicians or you're canceling motivational people or people on the TV that are saying things that you don't agree with, I mean, okay, that's one thing because they're trying to change opinions and minds and the comedians are just Genimately the the thing they're doing is making jokes. Yeah, that's it You're not supposed to take them seriously. You're supposed to just enjoy the silly journey that they go on and laugh at it It's like who who after comedians

and laugh at it. It's like who who after comedians can you even go like what's left? What are you gonna go after like little kids that have like fun imaginations and you like listen kids. Santa's not real. It's like teachers. You need it. I mean yeah it seems and I think that that has that's gotta be a red flag at this point. The fact that you can only say certain things. I will say that I've seen a few comedians as of late and maybe it's just a polarizing subject where you stand on it, but it's right when they lead with vaccine jokes or COVID jokes. I don't know what it is, but I have a cringe whenever that happens. Have you heard comedians do that recently? I haven't know what it is, but I have a cringe whenever that happens. Have you heard Comedians do that recently? I haven't really know. I don't know what it is. It's just like there's

I don't know it's it's only having on a few occasions, but it seems that it's just assumed that you're supposed to feel one way about something It just kind of is a turn off, but it is what it is If he these like pro, um, like you're an idiot vaccine narrative joke or war, but I think it's starting to shift now too. It's interesting how it just one day it was all COVID and then within the day and now it's World War three. It's an interesting shift. Well, that's a good thing though. I mean it's not World War 3, but the fact that we're focusing on it It's like that's obviously more way more serious when you've got a Russian dictator that's like, hey, I'm gonna nuke Someone you just like well, let's let's not worry so much. It's not everything

All right, let's focus on some stuff in perspective here guys It's not worry so much. Let's put everything. There's something now. Let's put it up. All right, let's focus on some stuff in perspective for your guys. God, I hope. I do not want to have to do a card where I have to talk about the aftermath of some nuke's going down. I do not want to live. I don't want any part of my life for a nuke to have gone off. I'm just gonna say that right now Obviously no one does, but let's I don't want to eat

Do you see that is? Terrifies the shit. He said that has a real possibility Supposedly he I mean he's gonna run out of options To some degree and he's already threatened it and it's like if he doesn't do it then it's almost like the rest of the world Kind of calls his bluff, which is also another problem It's almost like it's forcing and I'm pretty sure he has like a some sort of battleship that has nukes on it And he's like moved it into position. I Actually don't call me on that. I'm not sure but

Yeah, it freaks me out dude. I know that. It's just like, what do you even do if that happens? Like obviously we'd have to blast him back and then what? That's it. It's like shit, we thought the last few years were a... I can pile his shit down. It's warnapping ourselves. Now this might be happening?

Yeah, let's just hope this just eases up and he just fucks off back to Russia and we can we can go back to not being in war. Better play at this point. Yeah, please do not want to deal with it. Do not want to. Joe talked a lot about his kind of support for like socialist ideas. And I know there's a lot of energy around that word, but I mean if you think about it in terms of like the fire to palm and the police to palm and like, where, you know, there's parts of what happens here that is socialist in a sense. And, you know, to kind of add health care in there or just other services that are useful. I mean, the schools are like that.

Yeah. You know, I think it's important for Joe to like mention those things since so many people are calling it right away. Oh, right. Yeah, too. It's like, yeah. To piggyback on that, I mean, he always makes reference to Eric Weinstein's political, I don't know what you would call it, like option. They were

talking about that unity party him and his Twitter account. You got canceled? You got canceled? I remember here and then I'm like, that's the smartest thing. It's somewhat socialist, somewhat like far right. There's bringing different people that bring different things to the table. That makes the most sense. And right when you want to do something like that, Twitter is like, no, you got it. You got to pick a side. Yeah, wasn't it wasn't the idea of that like almost like an alternative to the two.

100% how can that be bad? That should be encouraged. Give us some fucking. I'll show you something. That's a red flag. I don't know what will be because that's case in point. Like you need to pick a side. And if you're not with us, then you're against us.

And that seems to be the narrative. It's it's not there's no like you get an outside thinker because that's will shut you down because you're not part of the team. Yeah, well, the other big thing was like who Rogan's allowed to talk to. Like how dare you platform give a platform to like a right wing or a left wing or a Religious person or it's like Joe's talking to lots of different people. He doesn't have to agree with everything I mean yet like he said he has Ben Shapiro on me and then he made fun of Ben Shapiro, which was hilarious

Say any talks too fast. They need to come now. That's the dumbest argument that you could ever say. Why would you have a conversation with somebody to try and come to a resolution? What'd you say? I mean, that seems to be the best course of action if you're going to try and come to a normal discourse and try and find a solution to an issue. It's like, let's hear all sides.

I just don't know how much exactly. I don't know how much you learn from only talking to people that already completely. How easy is it to seek that out? Like if that's what you're looking for, you can find all kinds of people that agree with you're saying I'm Denny and the same things you believe in. You know? Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean a lot of that is your friends. You know, if you think about it in terms of that like The majority of your friends are gonna think kind of the way that you do It's probably why you have a lot of common with them But if you're going out being curious and searching for the truth It's a good idea to talk to people with different opinions and And while doing that you make a connection with them, hopefully, if you have a good conversation. So you're going to like aspects about them, even if you don't agree with all of their kind of politics or philosophies. And I mean, just a good example of that is

even when in this kind of Fitz Joe's narrative anyway, but whenever the guy was talking about the meat and the difference between grass fed, grain fed, then you think there's this big discrepancy, and it's actually really small, but Joe's like, oh, I said that. He's like, I guess that was not right. I guess I'll, no, I see the new data. New shit has arrived.

So. Yeah, I think a lot of these conversations are breaking down because of social media, because it's not a conversation. It's like you put someone in front of Joe and they could really disagree on issues on social media or just out there, you know, even people accusing Joe of major misinformation. I'm sure if you get them on the pod in front of him They're gonna have a completely different idea of who he is But when we're always just looking on social media

Communicating with each other on there. I mean it It's an important like Joe talks about a lot a lot of people do In the space of like trying not to be on social media too much, etc. etc. but it's an important thing to remind ourselves of because we all are. We're all on there all the time. It's like the most useful slash addictive thing that most people are doing. So it's just good to be reminded that, hey, it's not always good for your health, right? Sometimes you go down rabbit holes, you start getting really worked up about things. Do you find yourself doing that?

What are you doing? Like going down those radoles. I mean, my YouTube feed is now basically, since we've had conversations, it's basically Russell Brand, Fox, and brand Fox and NBC or CNN like I just like to see all three just kind of bang bang bang Waited up that's like the newest little five minutes segment Yeah, mine is basically that but with a bunch of mixed martial arts and you get two videos and you get two videos that come up and then tons of feel Vaughn. He's always in my thread for that. But no, I don't go down any conspiracy theory rabbit holes there. Really no one I follow on. Instagram takes me that way either. I don't think so. But that's just because I don't look at it. But people do, though, is my point.

And you can, and it's easy to slip into it. And especially, you know, younger kids today, though, I mean, they're way more impressionable. They're still trying to figure out a lot of stuff about the world. And they're curious. So it's going to take him down strange rabbit holes. And who knows where they start to end up. Just like you said, you can find what you're looking for too,

whatever it is. You can't. Yeah, you can, you can find anything that agrees of what you're thinking about and who knows if you come back from it. But anyway, that's it for this week. I think we we wrapped it all up. As always guys, everyone, thanks for listening. Thank you guys for it. And yeah, follow us on on the grams. You're a rogan experience review.

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