Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 266 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Gavin De Becker Et al.

Episode Date: April 7, 2022

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Adam Thorne and the co-host Caretess how we doing out there how we doing how we doing? What up guys good good intro Garrett that's your first intro I think I was I practiced 10 times I mean, you know 700 10 That's a good free throw percentage if not 3.00 Double 10 double dribble. Double dribble. Guys, I firstly want to bring up, we got a new website

sorted for the JRE review. The hope is that we're going to bring you up-to-date rogan news like he's big in the world of what's happening. And there's a lot of articles on him and we're hopefully going to bring some good information to you on that site. So check it out at link in the bio jerryreview.com and we actually set up a Patreon on that too which you can check out and yes support the show so that'd be cool. Anyway that plug Anyway, that plug aside. Who we got this week? We got Josh Barnett. Studd. Michael Shellenberger. Studd.

And then Gavin DeBacker. I liked all three this week. Solid, solid cast. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was a comedian, but we skip that one Josh is he's he's a legend in the fight game. I mean he has been around Fighting forever and and you know heavyweights can do that. They seem to have much longer careers I don't know how because if you're getting hit in the face by a heavyweight. I don't really know how they're able to like stay in the game longer. Maybe it's because it's more of a skill set than like a speed requirement.

And I know you lose speed as you age, but anyway, you know, wild. And also an intelligent person. And he definitely wanted to sound very intelligent on this podcast, which is not really a dig, because he is smart, but he did turn into a bit of a self-help book. Well, to his credit, Joe says that he refers to him as an educated savage, and I think he embraces that character slash persona pretty well I mean he's well-read he's well-researched so he's hard to refute and a lot of his things he was a little preachy but

to his credit I appreciate it's hard to I mean it's hard to negate whenever he is even when he was talking about his whiskies and choosing his whiskies, like he is so precise on how he feels about stuff, there's a certain, I mean, you got to appreciate that. Fair play. I mean, just the fact that he's in there, you know, learning that whole process and do, like, actually working on it himself. Because I feel I think Brendan Schove just came out with a whiskey. And I'm sure it's good, but I don't know if he has actually done any work.

He's talking about... Molten the hops and doing all kinds of stuff with it. He said that he picked the same three barrels three times. And I'm in between on the Samon Yay, but to be a whiskey kind of surer in that kind of level, to be able to pick three different barrels, three different times and be like, all right, that's the single barrel, that's the double barrel. That's pretty impressive. I would like to know how to really distinguish different whiskeys. I was out of our once in Albuquerque, and a friend of mine, Molly, knew a lot about whiskey and she was she's really cool

and she sat me down and while explaining it to me was like okay this is like a single malt this is a scotch this is a x-wine z and like work through it and I know at the time I was learning but the downside was I was getting very drunk drinking whiskey and I forgot pretty much everything that she said, but it was, it made sense at the time. And it was kind of cool to know that there, like I couldn't tell you the difference now myself. Not really.

I don't think I... I'd be late. Is that a J-Mal? I think I could distinguish J-Mas and just because we've had it enough times to give it that. But I hear what you're saying. I think is that a refined palette? Yeah. and just because we've had it enough times to give it that. But I hear what you're saying. I think there's that a refined palate.

Yeah, whenever you, that'd be an interesting thing too. When you do whiskey tasting, how many, what are you taking, like a droplet taste? Like, I don't know how much I could do. Well, you've seen them do wine, right? They like, swill it around in the mouth and then spit it in a, in a container. And then they have like palette cleansers,

which is like something that allows them to drink the next thing. I kind of feel like, what are you doing? If you ever been to Elpin Malibu, you ever been to the wine places? They look at your wrath up there. Really? I have not.

I've one of them. Yeah, there's like, well, there's all these animals, right, and then they drive you around and at different places they give you wine. So it's like kind of, there's all these animals, right? And then they drive you around, and at different places, they give you wine. So it's like, kind of, it's just interesting. And, but, you know, by the end, you just mostly hammered on a bunch of wine out in the sun with some animals.

You did say that like in order to clear your palate, you smell your, your, what's it called? Arm Pit? I thought that was kind of interesting. Oh, I thought it was elbow. Could have been elbow, could have been. I feel like armpit would be. I thought he, yeah, it's like smell yourself. How can you smell your elbow?

You could do it. I guess you, you're going inside. You could do it. I guess you're going inside. You're going to, you're elbow to your face. If you're going inside, bow, I guess you could. I'd take're just going to bring your elbow to your face. If you're going inside bow, I guess you could. I take that back. Dude, how big are your packs?

You can bring your elbow to your face. When I think elbow, I'm thinking out, outer, outer circuit of the bow, not inner bow circuit. Oh, yeah. Well, inside. I could be right. I think that's what he said. I can't remember. I don't think it was on.

Is he from Viking descent? I get that vibe. Release he wants to be. He's playing it up. Dude, he definitely he definitely looks like he is for sure. I mean for sure. He was talking about catch wrestling, which is I think where he started With his training and I did not know that it came from the coal miners in England that would finish work and then like go up on the hill and fight each other. It sounds like a very English thing to do, so I'm like, yeah, that's reasonable. But just imagine how hardcore your life is.

You spend all day in a coal mine. You're smashing it like they don't have respirators. They're not wearing masks. Like this isn't COVID times. Like they are down there just breathing it in, hacking away at the ground. And then afterwards they just decide to go fight on a hill. I mean, you got to get your aggression out apparently. That was what I heard reasonable. I guess before before Netflix you got to find something to do yeah Joe's made reference to that too about us all having like batteries that you got to get out I guess coal mining should take a lot of that energy out of your body but at the same time I think

there's a hierarchy of humans and that kind of I don't know then that kind of demographic so it seems like you would want to be on top and just prove yourself, what else you have to do. See their fight? Yeah. Cold mind, drink, I imagine. I don't know. They got savages down there for sure.

Right. I mean, for sure. That's not for... That's not for most people, man. I could do it. Like, you know, it's funny too, because you often have like that, that like, what is it? Like, romantic idea of like how tough you are. Like, men just have that. It's like built into their minds.

And I'm just like, yeah, I can't work in a coal mine. Like, forget about it. I even see like the lumberjack shows and I'm like, that is ridiculous. That said, I will say that throughout COVID, I remember thinking to myself, I would trade 15 hour days of just hard work rather than just sitting in my room right now being told what to do. Grant, granted, easier for me to say that because I didn't have to do the 15 hours of work and I was just sitting in my room. That said, I did drive cross country and go do some farm work and I did find a lot of satisfaction

in that throughout that. That was a good time for me to be honest. True, but you're also a bit of an unusual character in the way that you were one of the few people I knew that was not impressed by just like getting a paycheck and doing nothing which credit to you because a lot of people really enjoyed that. It never really, I mean there was a certain sense of safety to that but as far as satisfaction there was none. It was not fulfilling at all but it was a weird thing to think I'm getting paid this much money. What was just shy of what I was making at the time was interesting to not work.

I was just like, man, I'm getting paid just a couple hundred bucks less to not work than what I was to work. So Jesus, this is an interesting thing. But dude, I think that I think that messed a lot of people up. I think that's in your mind. It's like basically made everyone a, like a trust fund kid. It's a, it's in your mind. It's like basically made everyone, like a trust fund kid. It's like a year.

There's been a ripple effect clearly, especially in the restaurant and bar industry, that you can't keep an employee at the same restaurant or bar for more than like six weeks a couple months. I don't know if it's just there's better opportunities or what the situation is, but I feel like some crazy guy for being at the same place for over a year.

And then the other place for over six months, like I've been the longest 10-year employee at both spots. And it's like not that your dedication or whatever should be to a restaurant because you shouldn't be selling your time for money all the time. Anyway, you should find something you love and attack that. But that said, it is what it is. It's interesting, like you said, it's, I,

you said it. I just said, don't say that. I hate that, say it is what it is. I don't know why I don't like that. I said that earlier today that I don't like it either because it's just accepting of whatever's going on, which is unfortunate. I think it's the laziest way to end a sentence you can't.

It is, it is. It is. I'll agree with you on that. All right, I'm not giving you out. All right, let's jump over to the Will Smith smack, which they both got into. I feel, I thought Joe made really good points and I was getting pretty confused at what Josh was trying to say. I don't think he knew it. I think his intention was good, but he was kind of all over the place with his description. I'm like, and then he just ended up agreeing with Joe, which I thought was, I didn't know where he was going

with that. I mean, he was gonna make a big a point. I don't know. That said, it was all brand new right at the time. So you think about how you're like ingesting it and how you're supposed to feel about the different avenues and the different things that are coming into your feed and how you're feeling about it. It's gonna affect how you respond to it.

So that was a little bit right after the fact. So I think he was just trying to put his two cents together and Joe's like, no, he's like, where does it end when I kick you in the face? It's like, that's the true statement. Like, this idea that you're just supposed to get away with stuff like that is, you said it best. It's like if the rock did it or Jason Mahmoud did it or anybody that was not of your

stature, you just wouldn't have done it. You just would have laughed it off and moved along. But I don't want to say to Wilson's credit he's probably going through some stuff then it just kind of got... No I get it yeah I get it but like you know dude probably everyone that just randomly hits you in the face is going through some stuff. It's like, how much patience do we need for people? This is a comedian doing his best, making some jokes, isn't a big deal. I agree. And I don't know.

And then, I think Josh was trying to make the point that if someone said something about his, like, I get it. Yes, you can always get revved up to a 10. But I think the issue and the point here is is like how mature Should we be when we're like 50 years old and we're in the public domain? I think this is the fresh Prince of Bella Slapping people

It came down to like just impulse that you can obviously see it because he's like I've been kind of been dragged through the mud over this shit for a long time And now it's all come to a head in this particular moment Maybe I've had a few too many cocktails and I just got done playing this crazy character who knows I mean I don't want to justify slap anybody in the face you Don't Josh Bon at me right now. I'm just saying that argument is not okay. No, no, but I love the idea. Like Joe was like, can you imagine if he had like a year's worth of training and just popped on his back and threw him in a rear naked joke?

Like how satisfying that would have been just to see Will Smith get choked out like right on stage Like this is why You don't frisk rock like double legs in drops to his knee Takes his back pulls an on bar on live television and and the Will Smith has to tap out Literally just oh my god doesn't even allow him to tap. Just rips his arm right out of the socket. And he's like, not today, but. Hops up and then continues doing just roasting. Well, he would be the greatest comedian of all time.

Will Smith has to accept his award for the best actor with the broken heart. He's just in his sling. with the broken in his slaying That's fun to thank the academy for my left arm. I Want to thank the medical services at Right unfortunately much To the war. Oh, they talked, they talked about the, uh,

motto made podcast about the Ukraine. And that's like a good educational thing to like get up to date on. I did not check it out. And I wanted to before this, because I wanted to be able to tell you guys about this. Um, I didn't, but I know a couple of people that listen to it, that are my friends that are were like ex-military and special forces guys. They said it was really good. Informative. So I definitely want to check it out. I feel like it's important to kind of get up

the speed on on that. I'm not saying like delve into the news, you know. I don't want to depress you guys. But at the end of the day it seems like something we should know more about and it's cool But like it's out there. I wanted to did you listen to it? No, but I did seek out soger Recently on YouTube just because I had never really sought out that Like news source and I will say that the updates on Ukraine and Russia have been very informative and I've obviously Russell brand we've made comments on too. I think that that's very informative as well. If you guys aren't listening to Russell Brand, I get on it. From the most objective news that I can listen to, it seems to be that's my best resource.

Isn't it hilarious that we only listen to comedians laugh? Well, I mean in hindsight too, I always listen to John Stewart. That was my main guy. If you ever asked me where I got my news, it was obviously Comedy Central the Daily Show. That's how I always got my news growing up in high school. That was the only thing I would really reference. John Stewart was good. And he put an incredible team together. Like he had Colbert on there.

He had a bunch of you at the guy from Ancomand. Yeah. He had obviously John Oliver that does that like weekend update or whatever it's called. The week. Yeah. I can't. It's interesting. It's interesting how everything's become so skewed too.

Because Rogan even makes reference to those shows like Colbert and John Oliver how they're so Media-based and whatnot and how much influence comes from these pharmaceutical companies I don't know if it was on the I don't know if it's on yeah, no, no, no that was on Slow down there and Mr. Reviewer, right. That was later. Gotcha. I was I think on On what's his name the Gavin? Yeah, yeah. We'll get that. Yeah. Right. That that's just crazy. Let's jump over to Michael Shelanberger and talk about how the fuck we're going to save California, bro. I mean, he was the author author of Sam Francisco. What a great book. Yeah, sicko. Interesting how it's interesting to think that his thoughts are like quote unquote progressive. They're just make sense. Like he is a liberal and he but a lot of his stuff is like I don't say it seems like

well thought out and not necessary. He seems to be like rooting for the people of California where he makes reference to maybe Gavin is more shooting to wanting to be in the presidential spot and trying to appeal to like voters in Iowa and these other countries, I mean, these other states, I'm sorry. Yeah, I wish he had, I guess I just wish that he had a little bit more of like a public image and also maybe some experience because even though he sounds like someone I can believe in, I can't really believe that he's going to win anything.

I mean, you're up against Gavin Newsom. Everyone knows who that guy is. You know, you gotta think a lot of people just go to the polls, they see the name. It's like, how's this guy gonna get his message out there? Rogan obviously is the biggest platform to get on to be able to spread it, but is it big enough to like sway an election?

Okay, so you got 10 million listeners across the US. If his demographics are whatever they are like a hundred times bigger than ours but like the same kind of spread out, it's like New York LA area. So California, New York, there's a lot of people in Texas, but you know, it's still only like I don't know what it is like maybe 20% in LA, right and therefore that's two million listeners So he has Rogan has too many two million listeners in LA There's a lot of people in LA. Maybe he has more.

I don't know exactly how it would be, but I'm just basing on how I kind of break down. And then adding like the millions more people that listen. And is everyone that listens going to be persuaded by it enough to like make that change? But you know, I only say that because he really does sound like some of them make sense. Almost to the point where if he's fucking it up, he can go back on Rogan and Rogan be like, Hey dude, you're not making it better. You said all these things, you've been governor for two years, like what's going on? To his credit, he said my 10 year or my time served as governor, if I don't solve the

homeless problem in Los Angeles, then it would have been a failure. And I'm like, all right, well, if you're willing to say that, then we'll reevaluate in two years. And that'll be the, if that's the case, then let's fire up because you have to be re, you have to be reelected in two years. And if you're going to say that it's going to be a failure between now and then. And all right, we'll give you two years. I like the, I like that thought process. At least I like the initiative. He doesn't seem like he's in the hands of everybody too. That's what you're always going to say. I mean, it just, when you're separated from the corporations, you've seen this on the

documentaries. When you set up a corporation, you become separate from it and you're like dehumanized because you're like, oh, that's the corporation. I'm not really a part of that, which seems to be more or less politics. When you're in the bags, everybody else, and then you're just making decisions based on these companies' agendas. It's an unfortunate spot whenever you're financially motivated. It's like, we need to have people in there.

Obviously, this is like way outside of the thought, but people that are not financially motivated making decisions for the good of the country, you know? Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I like a lot of what he says. I just worry that how can he get in there. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard was on Rogan a bunch. She seemed great.

She moved away from politics. I'm like, Jesus. Where'd she moved to? I love that you... Where did she move to, Nina? Well, no, she lives in Hawaii. I mean, she just does podcasts and other stuff. Right.

Also don't talk over me. I'm sorry. Help me out here, bro. Come on, I know what you're like. I know when you get excited about me. I miss Tulsi, that's why I hope she's involved in politics. To be honest, I don't want her to be separated,

but go ahead. Well, in a sense, she is, right? So she's doing a podcast and I think in a lot of ways, I mean, listen, she's much smarter than I am. She's, I think, a good politician. And she knows how to get a voice out there. And it probably, she probably noticed that her voice didn't go as far when she was in Congress is it can go now that she has a podcast base, but it's kind of a shame that that

has to be the case. She would think that the like to think you want to make a really positive change in this country, you do it by being in the political power to do that. So it's kind of, I don't know if it's the fetist thinking, or just like sad for me to hear that someone that knows way more about it than me is like, nah, I'm getting away from it. I'm not wasting my time. Maybe to her, maybe to her credit, it's like, you see how, if you really care about the about the cause, it's like, you see how much impact you can have

from a certain spot. And you're like, all right, well, this is what I'll just exploit this not in a bad way, but you're like, I'll see what works best and try and make the most of that because obviously I tried that other avenue and it didn't work. So maybe we'll try this. Yeah, the problem is though. It's like, okay, so let's say the impact is really big with a good podcast, right? Like you was saying the saga and news people, which by the way recently got defunded for criticizing other news networks. And they complained to like, I think YouTube and YouTube demonetized them all minimize their ability to make money because they had criticized different news organizations. What? Like, how sensitive are news organizations getting?

Seriously. I don't want to go off on a tangent, but what? I don't know who they are. Is that part of the algorithm? Because I don't know who those people are. I remember reading. Oh, it was NBC and a couple of others if you go to his Instagram He has a thing recently this week

Saga does where he's like this is what happened and I'm just like you've got to be fucking kidding me Like what seriously? It almost it's I don't say good not now, but When they start demonetizing you it makes people a little bit more interested like why would they do that? Hopefully I'm hoping that would be the mindset. I don't know if that's the case. This is his paycheck. Sure. What do you think about Michael talking about nuclear as far as being like a left guy, even like it was something about nuclear energy about how they're trying to shut it down here And you know, that's an interesting one because I remember growing up in England like dad is a bless I'm a big hippie and like raised us like supporting like the green party. I was a vegetarian

I mean it like Russell brand thinking, you know, like initially. But what was interesting about it is it always made me suspicious, you know, of government agencies or control and these sorts of things. So I think that's kind of, you know, what guided me more than anything. It wasn't like I just locked onto a party, but I just took things that I wanted to fight for that I believed in. And it, but there, I remember him teaching me and telling me about like the dangers of nuclear power. And back then, I just believed it. Like you're a kid. You don't know where I'm just like listening to my dad like oh, yeah It's probably bad. That would be bad radiation, right? But it's almost like the equated nuclear war with nuclear power And that that's a kind of a silly

comparison Later in my life as I take a step back because I'm like, you can make that shit like real safe. I'd say I would say I would say I was guilty of that narrative until I've listened to a handful of these podcasts that make me feel a little bit more comfortable about it. I think that's just human perception. He said that's like one of the biggest situations is chaining public perception on nuclear energy.

That's like the main goal because we all have this mentality underlined even with you saying it's like that's how I had it. I'd be naive to say otherwise, you know. I mean if you ever heard a story of like people that work at a nuclear power plant like all dying of cancer from radiation like I haven't I don't think that's a thing. I have I don't know I think that it's safe. Well, I just... Until they blow up. Yes, but I do remember like movies like even weird, I can't remember it was Eddie Murphy movie, but he was like running for governor, but those are these people that lived under power lines, which I'm assuming is somehow nuclear or something and they like had like...

No, it's what? No, it's not. Power lines are electricity. Well,'s what no it's not our lines or electricity well either that's not nuclear it seems nuclear because there's big reactors and whatnot but I know no either don't confuse it that's nonsense you're probably right you are right but I'm saying the idea and this public perception of these things that cause these diseases and cause this problems I can see where they're coming from. All right, hold on. You've crossed two things for sure.

Number one, electrical power lines, if you live under a massive electrical relay station, it probably is not good for you. I think that in time they will find out that there's some sort of electromagnetic frequency that can fuck with you DNA. I don't know. So are you gonna agree on that? Yeah, but that's not nuclear at all. If you're making the point that power just in itself is like bad for you, then yeah,

that might be part of the... I was just trying to fit that narrative. I think it's like people even thinks if you stand next to a microwave for the longest time, you're gonna get like enough radiation poisoning for a long time. There were these like weird things that have always been like implemented is my point.

That probably have no validity to it whatsoever. I remember here in Neil the grass Tyson saying that if you sit nice to a microwave, nothing could ever happen to you, no matter what. And for some reason, I just felt like a sense of peace. I was like, all right, all that time by the microwave. If you've been worried about standing next to my microwave, you never know. You never know. This is definitely going to lead to some emails from like a You care? You never know. You never know.

This is definitely going to lead to some emails from like a physicist. It's like, all right, guys, you guys need to understand a few things. Yeah. Either way, energy. It's a, it's a moose. Yeah, I mean, I know that in, I think the 70s is when microwaves came out, I think. And there was a lot of, like, real fear about what that would do to you. Right, I mean, it was interesting. But that's reasonable. I think people should be scared of new shit

that comes out that's untested. Like, you can't just assume and who you're gonna believe. The microwaves sales people, of course, they're gonna be like, nah, that's fine. Yeah, put your head in there. Until your baby comes out with three eyes and you're like oh yeah that's not good. It's got extra hand.

Yeah that's the issue. Well let's jump on to the homeless thing man because that was a big part of what he talked about and it's something that you and I both faced, obviously I felt like it was a mess and got out of there because that's what I do and you went double down. Fuck it, I'm staying. How is the situation there right now just from the like man on the street view. We were down playing ball in Venice and I don't know man. I think if you're going to be a ball or like they were talking about choosing a lifestyle and where you would want to do it in California like enables you the opportunity to do it.

Like if you live in Kentucky and you have a fentanyl or a methamphetamine issue, move to California we'll give you a check. I mean, he was saying in San Francisco, they delivered three meals a day to their tent without them leaving. I was like, what? I didn't know that was the case. That was an interesting story that I've never heard.

That said, there needs, I don't know if you, like it's a weird thing to say, you would have bought, I don't know, abolished it's a weird thing to say you would abolish, but just make it illegal to not be homeless. I don't know, is that even like an option? Because then there's so many problems with that. So I don't... Well, look, that's obviously not the solution. What are you going to do?

Arrest a bunch of homeless people, personally. Right, that's... And then what are you going to do when you're releasing? Arrest them immediately? Exactly. Is soon as they leave the jail, they're still homeless and therefore breaking the law that doesn't make any sense yeah I don't it seems like like I said it seemed like he had some wishful thinking that he could solve it I at this point anything works it doesn't seem any worse or better and vennice to be honest from my perspective. No, no, I disagree. Not anything works

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I said no anything worse. I said nothing seems worse or better since I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, but I mean the fact that they said that they they're building houses that cost 750,000 to 800,000 dollars for one homeless person that Statistically is probably either has their own mental illness or a drug addiction and will More than likely trash the place, right. I'm just like okay. Here's the problem with that. You've got South Side of Chicago low-income people you know, mothers with multiple kids working maybe two jobs doing their best. I'm like, look, I do not feel comfortable giving the money to the homeless like that when there's not adequate welfare for people that are

actually struggling. And people, you know, you might say, well, there's people that will milk welfare and then, you know, and then there's all the games that they play and it's hard to know who needs it. Well, put $750,000, put homeless into figuring out who should get good welfare. Like, you could do it, you could interview people, like there's, there has to be better ways. Like, what was the homeless budget? A billion dollars just for San Francisco, right?

A billion for San Francisco. Let's, let's just think about that for San Francisco, right? A billion for San Francisco. Let's just think about that for a moment, folks. A billion dollars, right? Let's think about how many people listen to this podcast and how much money they would each get if the billion dollars went to them. That's a lot of money for everybody. And they hand us like a $600 stimulus check.

And they're trying to do that. The interesting thing is why would you not that any real estate isn't valuable? Why would you assume that you moved to Venice Beach or you moved to somewhere in San Francisco and just start entitled to your own apartment or entitled to your own space. I've never felt entitled to anything like that. Nah, I don't think they feel like they're entitled.

They just know that they can get it out here. So they come here. It's like, where are you going to move? To Kansas, to No Beach, and also No One gives you any money. You're not going there. It's a good point. Yeah, I don't know. That's, I mean, it's a,

if I was like, we've said, if you're gonna be a bum, this was like, I guess this is where you'd wanna go, but it's an interesting thing that everybody comes here. I wonder if it changes up just because it doesn't seem that way. It seems like we're trying to enable at all times. And we keep like re-electing these people too,

which is the interesting thing. Well, you know, we don't have better options. I think that's what keeps coming out. That's probably. I mean, look, there's 10,000 homeless people they said in San Francisco. You got a billion dollars. That's a hundred thousand dollars a person.

That's more money than most people make a year Oh, so if you're saying all right, well, we pay for this from the taxes How many people's taxes if all of their tax money went to these people? That's a lot of people Maybe a hundred thousand people. I think that was the thing that they clarified was that a lot of people have a lot of incentive in keeping homeless homeless and keeping the budgets where they're at because people are getting paid salaries based on, I don't know how that whole thing unfolds. It's a,'s a being part of like the homeless initiative like you work for the yeah, right? It seems to be yeah, you shouldn't make quarter of a million dollars doing that.

If he thought if you're not good at it, if you make quarter of a million dollars, you better be really fucking good at your job. Something should be changing. I think that's a reason what request something should change homeless is something we should be attacking. It's like the war on drugs, would you say? It's almost one of those fights. It's almost one of those fights that sounds good on paper

and it sounds good to talk about. But it's like, people are gonna do drugs if they wanna do drugs. People are gonna be lazy, if they wanna be lazy. There needs to be consequences unfortunately. I think, because it's an imposition at this point. If you want to do drugs and you want to take care of yourself, that's one thing.

But if you want to do drugs and then put other people at risk or just negligence, it seems that there should be some accountability for that. Because, I don't know. Maybe I'm just being ruthlessly introspective, but I think that at some point in time there needs to be an account. I get it. Everybody comes from a different situation and we're not all blessed to have certain circumstances,

but there needs to be a responsibility. I don't know. You tell me, well, I'm trying to, you want to say that because you're not in that position. So it's easier to say right now, so I don't know. Well, I think that those two points, it sounds like you're making a point that, like both of those things of futile, which I agree with.

But there's kind of a fix to the wand. The wand drugs are just, in a sense, make things legal like you've done with marijuana. And you can have your own feelings about making other drugs legal. Maybe you don't do it, right? But if they're somewhat controlled, at least people aren't fucking doing fentanyl, because they can be, you know, maybe it gets to a point where there's like, just like weed was originally, there's like prescriptions for the other drugs, and not to say you go in and you go, oh I have headaches, I need cocaine, but like you're, you're like in some way proving to the government that you can handle this without ruining your life. Maybe that sounds a little elitist like, oh, you've got to have insurance and you

got to have X, Y, and Z. But this is how they started with marijuana. So maybe that's something. It would sort the cartels out. It would give a lot of revenue to the US. It would, that would be a fix. The homeless thing, it's like accountability aside, like what, how do you even start to put that together? Like this is the problem that I hear, I love what this guy is saying, and I do trust me, I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom, so I think that someone else will be better, I don't want just anyone in there, you know? I'm not gonna be like the Trump Hater that's just willing to put like, you know, forget for Joe Biden in place, sorry,

but like you just, you can't just remove one problem and then create another one. Like you need a new good candidate. I just, I don't know. This sounds, sounds like a lot of like really positive wish for thinking. I wanna believe in this guy, but He's making a lot of bold claims about fixing that problem and I don't know how you can even start with it I think it's so big that it's not getting fixed.

Well, you have to appreciate somebody that at least Grab the whole bowl by the horns and say something that probably goes against his whole party is like initiative and a lot of the things that they probably wouldn't necessarily stand right behind all the things that he's saying. So you got to appreciate him coming out and saying it. Yeah, yeah, I want to believe at least he's saying it. All right, let's jump over to Gavin, DeBacco. What about us? Let's be honest, this guy sounds podcast. I was like, look, you know, you do not want to mess with this bro. DOJ, DOJ, 26 years old. Dude, the way, just even the way he would like reflect on things Rogan would say when he was impressed with the way Rogan spoke,

it's just like he speaks right from his own truth, whether you agree with him or not, he's not messing around and he's not shy. Right. I like to impress him. I like to when he said that he became the department of justice. I think that was the name I was titled and they stood around. He's like, all right, to break the ice. Has anybody been to jail here? And they go around all those like super important people and everybody just tells their story Sorry about it. I love that. It's like what a great. That's that's a great and he's 26 around all these old-ass people that are trying to be so conservative and button up folks and he's like all right, let's go around talk about what we've been arrested for. Real talk. Right.

I appreciate it. I found it interesting at the beginning, how Joe said that Jamie brought up the fact that they Joe and Jamie don't really experience the JRE like everyone else. That's really a fascinating way to just, you know, they hear about like the reports and the news, but to them, it's just like they go in and they do the podcast. And they just disconnect. And there we go. I like that. I mean, I feel like we kind of do the same thing, but it is an interesting thing to be completely

hands off. I wonder if that's up. I'm just thinking to myself, I wonder if that's just thinking to myself. I wonder if that's why Jamie Cus is like he doesn't talk very much. So it doesn't have to always think about like how much editing he has to do and whatnot. The amount of like banter that goes back and forth is pretty minimal. But what do you think about uh What do you think about... It's an interesting thing that he was talking about how...

I'm sorry. Well, they were talking about like the Losing point what's going on? Oh, oh, I like to say I'm going on your own. I lost there I just read one of my notes that says he says life is sexually transmitted disease And he was like the way he described it was like it's a sexually transmitted disease. And he was like, the way he described it was like it's a sexually transmitted thing that happens. And then he just broke it down. Yeah, do we, do we all die from it? Yeah, life is a sexually transmitted disease

that we all die from. I was like, oh, it sounds like some Shakespearean morbid shit, but at the same time, like pretty reflective on reality. but at the same time, like pretty reflective on reality. Come on, it's true. I mean, you know, I do think that, you know, and I think they brought it up on the Josh Barn out one, like, I think that we forget we're gonna die. Nobody today remembers this.

Like we're not Vikings, we're not constantly reminded of it. People really don't go to church that much. Like church does, or religion often reminds you of death. Correct. And when you're not religious, and you're not, we're just like living our way, it's like there's a lot of children today. And we're guilty of that.

We live, you know, how many skateboards do you have? You're almost seven. Well, you know, it's this guy. Awful. It's like what we were born into. This guy adopted it. We've got to remind ourselves that it gets, it gets, we're going to die.

He adopted eight. He adopted eight kids. I wonder if that was the reason why. So he's like, can I experience life even more? Do you think you don't deal? Do you deal with mortality like that or no? I think I think I think I think about it. I think about it mostly when I'm go hunting. When you're when you're what? When I go hunting? Okay. Yeah. I think about it because one that is best, right? Especially in Montana, so you got to think about being an Ian biome um

and We're out there hunting animals and there's a There's a thing about death there and it does make me think about it especially when you go out and it's for multiple days and you and you like And you stay out there a lot of the conversations kind of turn to that Not in a morbid way like like sometimes they're fun, you're around the campfire and you're a bit like, it's a different type of conversation than I get most of the time.

Most of the time it's like, what are you doing? What's happening? What's going on in your life? Like, let's pump it up. Let's be awesome. And nobody like stops you and is like, oh yeah, we're all gonna die eventually. You know, it's like that would be strange. But you do it more when you're that. And I mean, maybe some of it is that I go out with military guys and, you know,

namely my buddy who's at special forces, so he understands death in a different way than I will ever understand it, to be honest. And he has a perspective on it that's, you know, it's really some of the scariest and most enlightening shit that I hear when when he's there But he doesn't do all the time. I mean I work out with this guy's not like he's bringing up with a gym It's like that that place It you know it does happen I wonder how many how many I mean not looking for a number but how many hunting stories came out where you went out for a hunt and you and I've

Getting hunted hunting, sorry, this came out where you went out for a hunt and you ended up getting hunted. Yeah, my buddy in New Mexico went out with his dad and I don't know what it was. It was southern New Mexico. They were hunting and it got to this point where they felt like they were being kind of tracked and maybe a sense that they had, I don't know what gave it away, but they got to this point where they just kind of chilled and they just turned back on themselves and they were like, is this something behind us? And then a mountain lion showed up right on the top of a little cliff just kind of looking at them.

And it was just, just go put them out, I mean, it didn't do anything, but it was probably like, what are these silly monkeys doing in the woods? I could eat them alive at any moment. I think it's scary stuff. Let me tell you this story. I was at a diner in Bozeman recently. And there was this old guy in there. I was just chatting with him. and he's lived here forever. And I said, yeah, yeah, I just started hunting and yeah, I'm trying to get into it. And luckily, I'm privileged enough to like learn from people that have the patients to teach a new person

and know what they're doing, which is not easy to do because the hunts for people are important. And they don't want to take out someone that doesn't know what they're doing. So I do my best when I get out there. And this guy, I was like, I'm, you know, I'm kind of afraid of bears though. Like I don't have a lot of experience in nature. And I'm like, these bears are, you know, especially grisly, so terrifying.

What kind of gun should I get to protect me from a bear? Because people are like, oh oh just have the best break This old guy Straight up was like dude best pray and I'm not saying this is correct I don't know this is just what he says, but he was like best pray isn't gonna do shit Like that's good for like spraying other humans that attack you for sure But do you really trust it and then he was like all, all right, now think about a hang-gun. How good are you with a hang-gun? Me personally, not good.

I do my best, but I am not, I can barely hit targets from like 15 yards away, like it's not good. They're difficult to shoot, man. And I don't have a lot of practice. And he's like, okay, a bear runs at like 30 to 35 miles an hour if it's charging you and it's frickin' 2,000 pounds And he said go to the end of the road because right outside the diner the speed limit's 35 and he goes see how long it takes for a con to get to you From like one light to the next. Well, you're bare shit. And think about pulling out a hang on and trying to shoot.

So I was like, well, what are you even supposed to do? You go sort off shotgun. This guy was so matter of fact, he was like, that's what you have. You have one of those and it fires. I can't remember what kind of shells, but something that it basically said you stack the shells so that they're different like they start off So the disbursement is not huge and then by like the like the last one of the shells It's it's a much maybe bigger spread because the idea is the bear is like real close on you then and you can nail it

That sounds like a quinter. I don't know dude. He seemed real specific on this and it seemed to make sense to me. I was like, whoa. I guess you gotta get a shock. Sounds like a quinter in T-N-O movie. Dude, bears are real, bro. You live in Venice.

The scariest thing there is pigeons. I'm grabbing it. And I'm not off. I'm popping any pigeon that pops off. I sought off poppin any pigeon that pops off. All right, let's talk about Pegasus to hack in your phone. All it needs is your phone number. They don't even have to, that was crazy that he sent the text and then if you open the text but he said that Pegasus is so like revolutionary now, all they need, like if the

government wants you, literally all they need, like if the government wants you, whatever they all they need to do is grab your phone number. That's crazy. Yeah, that's, I mean, they hack Jeff Bezos, bro. It's crazy. You can hack Jeff, HFA, the LF, the LF of the Amazonian. I mean, the fact that he didn't want that movie to stream on his own thing, too.

He wanted people to pay for it is an interesting thing. I'm pretty scared of the Saudis bro. We've been saying this for a while. If they're going to give us the iPhone, they've got like drones in the bathroom toilets if they want them. Like let's be honest and stop effing around. You know, if any of the big governments want you, the Saudis, the Soviets, the Chinese, the Americans, they can get you. It's kind of a... Dude, they're hacking. They're hacking you for sure. Guaranteed me and you,

like, it's like, has to be. We're so important. That's what's interesting. It's like, it has to be. We're so important. That's what's interesting. It's like, when they talked about that, everybody in their life is always like, our life's not that important, all until they need something from you. And then it's like, oh yeah, we have access to everybody, don't worry about it. Imagine how like disappointed they would be

if they hacked our phones They just like oh my god these guys are just as well. They probably go through that with everybody They're just like who has anything but you could it seems like you can sensationalize anything out of any conversation If we haven't been privy to that you can edit and sensationalize if it's to your benefit. That's the problem Any piece of info. I think the fear is, and Joe's brought it up before multiple times, like putting something on your phone that could incriminate you, you know?

Like adding pictures of things that... You mean me and me and dad. And then charging you. Yeah, I don't know. Like if somebody sent you something and then you have it now, It's like is that are you supposed to be viable for that? That's that weird That's so interesting. Yeah, I mean who knows if they send it with the text all his the picture that you asked for And they send it to you and now it's like downloaded to your cloud and then someone hacks your cloud and then it's like look at Joe Rogan's

Cloud like dude How how would he explain like some really Nest up pictures that Kuga on his phone. He'd be like that. I didn't do it. Someone hack my foot like nobody gives a shit Once that happens. I hope that be maybe like guilty. Well, I think that he's did say that it's gonna be an interesting time Now that everybody's going to have real access to everybody's stuff if they're motivated. So I mean, whether that's good, bad, or ugly, at least it's transparency. I mean, hopefully you're just being a good person who knows you're a little weird from

time to time, but I don't know. I don't know what the writing is. Makes you think though, scary stuff. And then also he brings up 75% of the TV commercials are from pharma companies to the one they started going down that rabbit hole about each little dynamic and then it came to that about like fully funded that was a bit if that's not a red flag it's a that's a red Saudi Arabian night. Hair and 11 fucking blowing through the building flag. Like I don't understand.

Do you think you could change that though? 75% like dude I don't we're never gonna accept pharmaceutical commercials on this podcast. Never. So if there's 75% of that like, but think about it though, how long until they want to advertise on here? And then I'm just like, well, no, it's not gonna happen. I don't trust you guys. But you think about how I'm gonna sell Harry's race. It's a weird, it's a weird setup though, because people that are in the situation where you got three or four or five kids and you're like, oh, man, I need this money. They put you, they handcuff you. Like you got to test your morals because that's, I've always thought of that.

Like when it comes to working for a pharmaceutical company or working for, I don't wanna say, well company anymore, not that I've been tested, but it seems like there might be some benefit to oil still. But, well dude, I'm not saying people shouldn't work for them and I'm not saying they don't have value their importance You know, but they I don't think they should advertise on television. No, like you know, I'm not trying to make You know, I mean I don't want to make alcohol illegal

But there's a part of me that's like I don't know if they should advertise on television other than the fact that Bud always makes great super bowl commercials. True. Usually. But I don't know if it's necessary to look people are going to use it and do it. I just don't know if they need that much power. I agree. It's too much control, especially when they're most of the advertising for the news. That's obviously going to change the news. Right. Right. I don't know. And in hearing about his

kid that couldn't get care for him. I was in the sense of what and therefore go to like when he said, look, I'm not going to Australia or New Zealand ever, how they handled things over there, I'm not into it. Look, I'm not saying that I take that hard line, but I have not, I don't know, I don't respect how they handled it either. I feel like that's not. If I watch one of mine. That's not what I expected from that. Not at all.

I expected them to be more rebellious than the US and be like no way like Australians are Resilient, yeah, they're great people they're wild animals, right? They they don't mess around they're tough people. I don't know why they just allowed it It's and they seem to be okay with it over there for somebody. It's that Monday. It's that Monday Monday morning quarterbacking thing that we talk about. It's like, you never know how you're gonna react. You never, like, it's always, especially when you have, like, certain individuals controlling countries.

It's like, who knows how their individual thought process, especially throughout COVID. It's hard to say that it was a uniform, like, this is how you're supposed to feel this I was supposed to react we had people in Florida reacting some way we had people in California I mean obviously was political because now you can see that it kind of fit both the agendas but I Don't know till I agree with you as far as the people go from Australia It's it's a hard thing and then even in England, remember you had that whole thing

and then one day you're just like, oh, it's all done. Like, within a day. Was this over? Yeah, and that was weird. It was like massive, right? Clojias, lockdowns, bars of clothes, and then they open a bit of it,

and then they're like, okay, no, mass is okay. So if that proves anything. This is like what? It's gotta be. The optics was the only thing, which is unfortunate. Hopefully this is a learning lesson and then they're like, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's it would never happen before so who knows Yeah, there's a good point Well that kind of wraps us up for this week and Yeah, thank you as always for listening Garrett enjoyed it Check out the website like I said go over there. You can always send us some feedback

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