Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 273 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Cam Haines Et al.

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

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¡Muchas gracias! Welcome to the Joe Rogan Universe podcast. What up, I'm Sean, I'm the one who created it. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn and Garrett Hats. This might be the worst podcast for the best one of all time. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the J.R.E. review. Join us always by my guy, my main man, Garrett. What's up champions? How are we doing out there? How are we living? Just out the gate, I think it's an important time for us to acknowledge the situation that happened in Texas. And you've all the, obviously it's a rough time for everybody and it's one of those situations that never

becomes normal. And we can't ever let it become normal. Whether you're on the side of gun rights or gun restrictions, this isn't a time to prioritize your thoughts and views. It's our responsibility to put our heart and our feelings with those that are grieving at the moment and to put our feelings aside and I think it's an important message to really take this time to value your loved ones and realize the finite possibilities that life clearly allows us in this normal seat at this time.

But that said, let's take that moment and let's jump right in, say what's up to camhains. Yeah, my hog goes out to those people where Jesus is like, fuck, I can't even imagine. It sucks, it sucks to have to, at a time like this, it's so crazy the morning and the morning comes and it's like the immediate reaction is either we should have passed the gun laws so long ago and restricted all the guns which I used to totally be on that side to be honest with you. And then situations that happen in Australia and just the idea that I mean there's so many guns in the United States right now that it seems like a silly cause.

What are you going to run around and like, I see the ideas between the restrictions and whatnot, but they are so many guns and it's like this idea that if you pass a law, that if you're 18, if you want to get a gun, you'll get a gun. I mean, I just think that that's, I hate to say that, but that's the case. That's the place we're at, right? What do you think? There's a lot of gardens, man. I mean the transition to no guns. Yeah They look this is a difficult one because I'm from England. We don't have

any guns, right? Some farmers have guns. That's it. Few. Yeah, we have no school shootings, but there are a lot of stabbings there, right? They just people it doesn't give one person the chance to go on a massacre Australia got rid of all their guns in the 90s. They haven't had any mass shootings as well, but at the same time in a weird way and I don't know if it's a direct correlation but like COVID came along and they completely closed down both of those countries in a really strict way and I feel like Some of the argument for keeping the guns in the US and I'm not saying I agree or disagree

I'm just I'm trying to make sense of it too right I didn't move here yeah I wasn't born here but I'm I'm just trying to like feel it out but there's an argument for like keeping them as well now you know I like to hunt and when I go hunting I don't take a gun that has 35 bullets. You know, we have, I think you have like four in there. On a rifle, maybe you have a hang gun with you. If you're worried about bears or other things,

you could have like 13 or so bullets in that. I think a shotgun can hold. I think when you're hunting a shotgun can only have like three. You have to like kind of cap it off. You can't have like the maximum in there. So maybe there's maybe there's an argument for like not having 30 bullets. But dude, I'm not the guy to talk to a father. I mean, I don't fucking know. Not that you need to be the guy, but it is an interesting take to come from a country that doesn't have any guns and then kind of embrace them, kind of wholeheartedly.

I think you made two good arguments there. That is a reasonable approach, and I didn't really explore that thought that those, that were kind of the only place that has these mass shootings, yeah? I don't think there's any other place in the world that has these kind of situations that I'm aware of. Yeah, I don't think there's any other place in the world that has these kind of situations that I'm aware of Yeah, I don't think it was such a regularity, you know what I mean? So yeah, I did want to and it's a tough argument to say That's the price you pay for that kind of freedom when that happens You know and in it dude

What is it in the last month? We had a lot like three of these? I wasn't sad. There was one was one. It's a rough one. You know? But, shit man, I mean on top of this, let's take into account the fact that we just came out of COVID, people were super stressed from how fucked up that whole situation was. And then how restrictive it was, people are struggling and now on top of that crazy inflation prices through the roof, like people are kind of losing their minds, man.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. So under these situations, it's just you don't want to give away too many freedoms. I think if COVID taught us anything, and I don't lean right or left on this situation. I don't really I don't own a gun But I see the value and having them and I see the value. I don't I don't own one either like you and I are pretty much non

Happy to be non-gun But I will say but I use them when I go hunting I'll borrow one and take it. It's I Will say the idea but anyway look let's let's jump over to Cam Haines before both of us get too stressed out about, you know, just the fucked up situation. Let's just get some good bows, huh? Ah, yeah. Please. Yeah.

I mean, look, maybe bows are the way forward. I prefer that kind of hunting than any, even though it's way more difficult, because, you know, it's a bow. And it's a skill. You can't go on a mass shooting from with a bow. Right. For sure. Right, I think those... It has to be Robin Hood.

Yeah. I mean, that's the advantage of bows in the sense of their dangerous weapons, but they're very limited in their destructive force. And hard to use. You have to practice a lot. From a hunting standpoint, too, it's got to be much more like satisfying to be using a bow and probably even a more You feel more one with the animal I imagine rather than using a gun. Well, it's much harder to do for sure You got to get a lot closer the failure rate is much higher and

And yeah, I even though you're using a bow, so there's a lot of technology in there. I mean, in a sense, it's still a really primitive device. So think about it in terms of this, is it kind of how I see it. It's like we've had bows for a long time. In the same way is I think the first like machine that humans ever made, I don't know really what defines what a machine is, but like let's say it's like something similar to like a basic computer, like something with cogs that keeps like timing, the most basic machine that was ever discovered was something from the Greeks that was like a watch. It was

big, but it like kept the time. And we still wear watches today. Even though they're using far more precise and modern technology, it's like we have that. It's almost like a bow represents the most advanced technology from a very primitive device and to be fair they are better but they're not a ton better it's not like bows today shoot a mile and a half and a laser precise I mean there's still a shitload of practice that goes in there and there's a beauty in that. Is Cam only a bow hunter? Does he use guns as well? I don't really even make mention of that. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he has in the past. I'm sure he's tried all the different types of hunting, but I'm pretty sure he's primarily a bow hunter now,

because, you know, he's well known for it. He's written books about it. Like that seems to be what his, you know, most of his focus is. And also he's so good at doing it. And it's such a difficult pursuit that for him, you know, I don't know if he goes on other types of hunts. I've never heard him talk about that, to be honest. But I would imagine that he's mostly about hunts. Yeah. Right.

He talked a little bit about the vegan, vegan strength thing, and then the canelo fight. And it's kind of unfortunate when that happens, especially for the world of vegans, when somebody is amazing as him, says, I'm going going full vegan and then gets his ass kicked when he was pretty In unstoppable before that fight. I Don't know if this interview came out before or after but he ended up saying that he was like I'm not totally vegan if I want to have a algo, Sometimes, I have what I want. So I don't know if I don't know how strict a vegan he was I don't know if he was biased to say that but Canelo is so good. I mean Joe made reference to it too. It's like, maybe the reason isn't necessarily because he lost, but imagine a man meet given the situation.

I think, Canelo, I don't know if that makes sense. I don't know who knows. There's a lot of factors. I mean, the big one is that he jumped up a weight class, which I think he's done before, but he went against the guy that is fresh, hungry, coming up, is superb, and is very much used to being that weight. I mean, there's so many other factors that I don't... it's just annoying when anybody jumps on any side and they want to blame... Oh, well, you know, he decided that he wanted to wear crocs in the training cramp, so it was crocs fault.

It's like, what? You can't just pick one thing. Like there's a lot of factors, and really the biggest factor has to be the fact that he's not that weight. I mean, he thought Maywever. And now he's going up. Like there are so many difficulties when you go up weights like this And I think you know hat off to him for even getting up there and

Yeah, there may be there may be diet issues that he has for like focus on to get the energy I mean he did look tired in it Did you watch the fight or no? I caught the highlights. It's very true, man. You want to believe how important your diet is. I think it's very important, but it is, like you said, I don't know what side to be on, because it's,

but I was just giving some thought to that. I don't know any extreme, there's always those outliers like the vegan bodybuilders and whatnot whatnot but there's that's a dime a dozen so I don't personally know any of those guys I don't know a whole lot of I'm trying to think and this isn't trying to stereotype I don't know any like overweight vegans like I don't know if that's a it's like you have to eat a lot of bread you could do it you could eat a lot of bread pasta junk food technically it, you could eat a lot of bread pasta, junk food,

technically a vegan could just eat like pringles every day, that's pretty vegan. I mean, it's slippery slope there, thinking that's more healthy for you, that is an interesting angle to play that. Dude, I will go with wherever the science is,? In the sense of like, if you show me over and over again that a certain way of eating or living or being works, like, I'm happy to head down that path. Oh, yeah, of course. I know, I'm not gonna be like my granddad was.

If there was, there is a meat on my plate, I won't eat the meal. I'm like, okay, okay, granddad. I love your energy, too But also, you know, you have high blood pressure. So maybe all right balance it I'm not I'm not steadfast one way or the other to be honest my girls vegetarian. I eat a lot of quote unquote Impossible food and salads and whatnot. And I'm pretty satisfied, to be honest, that I enjoy a whole lot. You eat those impossible burgers and shit?

I should say we stay away from those more of ice. I kind of interchange those words, but at least I want to lean on the side of veggie burgers, because I don't know if there's a huge difference, but I still enjoy a veggie burger, to be honest. I don't know if the impossible is a little weird consistency. That's not really up my, I've tried it, but for me, I can handle a veggie burger

and it not be the end of the world personally. Yeah, I've, I just heard those impossible ones specifically have a lot of those odd oils in. Right, right. Probably are good for you. I mean, look man, I'm not that strict about the way I eat too, but I feel like if you're gonna come out with a thing that you're gonna Toute is like really healthy Please make it that like don't add to a new type of confusion about it not being healthy

I'm sure there's a ton like when I was young I was a vegetarian for the first 13 years of my life We didn't have impossible burgers then, but we had these things called bean burgers. They are not that tasty, but they're not the worst thing. If you have a good slice of cheese, lettuce, other things you can put sauce on there. I mean, the beans were like pretty good, but what was good about it is it was just beans. They didn't add a bunch of shit to it. It was just like different types of beans

and it was mostly edible. That's sad. I used to work at kind of a fancy gourmet burger spot and they had a veggie burger on the menu but it had like 26 ingredients mushrooms. I mean a variety of mushrooms, beans, tofu, corn, like all kinds of vegetables to be honest. It was actually pretty good.

But I need a mushroom burger. It sounds pretty dope. Right. Yeah. There you have those, just full mushroom burgers to be honest. He was saying that that said, as far as like protein that comes from broccoli as compared to beef, it doesn't seem like the same kind of protein value, basically, you know?

Well, there is an issue with vegetable proteins that they don't usually have a complete amino profile, which is all the amino is that we need to have, which I think is like 22 or 3. Some things do, right? So hemp protein, believe it or not, has almost a complete amino profile, which is impressive. But there's also a lot of fiber in hemp protein that does require a level of processing to make it so that you can digest it better.

So when you get the hemp protein, they've kind of taken a lot of that out, you can get the nutrients from it. So there's kind of like some work in there. I know Rogan talks about pea protein. I haven't really looked into that, but I assume he has and I'm sure the amino profile on there is pretty good or at least it's digestible. But at the end of the day, it seems to be pretty well known now. If you eat meat without a lot of carbs, so that's really the fact that meat gets a lot of blame, but often it's when it's connected to a bunch of shitty carbs, which is mostly how people eat meat, right? You're always eating it with like a on a pizza or with a

burger bun or a bunch of other carbs, right? Pasta. That makes it much harder to kind of process through meat because you prioritize those carbs. Therefore, you know, it's harder to digest, but meat seems to process pretty well in humans without carbs. You can kind of get, you can get a lot of the nutrients out of it, especially the proteins, you know. Right. That said, they were talking about how much more valuable game meat is as opposed to either grass fed or even grain fed beef That you'd purchase in the store there is saying the protein value values are almost double from the test that they have Huh, so Yeah, I mean it makes sense, you know that makes sense kind of clean of me, you know, it's not pumped with a bunch of

other It's kind of clean and me, you know, it's not pumped with a bunch of other shit. I mean, they're not feeding them all that grain. That can't be great, right? They're just eating grass out on the line, not that stressed out. That's got to be a better way to be. Yeah, I don't have a huge frame of reference, but what do you think? They were talking about whenever you're eating like a piece of game meat, it kind of revitalizes. You are makes you feel some kind of like invigorated way. Oh, dude, it's amazing. There's so many of my friends up here in Boseman that their freezes are full of game meat, like hunted meat, and it just is. I mean, look, you've got to kind of figure out how to cook it, which is why it's great

to be up here because they know how to do it. Often you need to add fat to it because it's quite lean. But there is something really delicious about it. Like it just tastes different, it just, it's hard to say. I mean, I guess the difference is to somebody that has had a gamey, but you've had a shitty steak, you know? We've been at Denny's drunk one day and just ordered whatever steak they have on the menu and you're like, this is, I could chew on my shoe and it would feel better. And then you get something from Whole Foods that you probably spent way too much money on, but it's pretty delicious, looks great. Someone cooks it well and it just melts into your body. We spent way too much money on, but it's pretty delicious. Looks great.

Someone cooks it well, and it just melts into your body. It's similar to that. Like, if you cook it well, and you know how to cook a meat, it just, it really gets you going. I know Cam said that eating bad, like makes him feel full of energy, like test thoughts around him. I don't know about how true that could be. And he even said, he was like, maybe it's just in my mind, I mean,

maybe there's something primal about it, but it's hard to say, like if that would be a thing. Could be. Camino is already talking about. Yeah, it was interesting here in him They seem like a nice old reference book He was saying when he just goes and do his freezer and he has like backstrap from such and such or Whatever place he just has it labeled in his mind

You can just go right back to that scenario and that little experience and he's like that's got to be I mean That's a cool little memory book you have in your freezer. Well, here's something that I noticed that I found really interesting with hunters is if they cook you some food Did they hunted and you're over there eating it? You don't you don't leave that food You don't eat half of it and say ah, nah, it's kind of shitty or I'm full and you know You'll do it at a restaurant no problem. You do it with most of your food that you eat and that's an important distinction because often The cream that is finished when you're in the pool With the way I grew up, my understanding of hunters were they were brutish, they didn't give a shit about nature, they love killing animals, they're out there like, you know,

hillbillies drinking beers, just shooting from the back of the truck, and that's not the experience that I've seen in the hunting community. Like there's an ethic out there, they take that shit seriously. They do not care about poachers They listen to the guidelines of the wildlife you know associations and they you know get their license and When they get an animal they prep it as best they can they carry as much of it as they can out and then they cherish that meat It's real. They really do.

And dude, if you want a piss of a hunter real fast, go over his house and eat like a quarter of the food that he gives you and be like, yeah, I'm not into this. I mean, they honor those animals in their own way, at least all the ones I've seen. That said, you were telling that story to me before the pod. I mean, you kind of spared a life because of an antics situation as far as that brown bear you found, yeah? Yeah, so I went bare hunting this week and for those of you that are not into that then you'll be happy to know I didn't get a bear and I was happy to not get one as well because I saw five bears we went way out into the bridge of mountains and it was a hell of a hike like 12 miles a day at least and it's like through snow it's a real

struggle we got out to the back end and even if we get a bear out there, like we have to carry it back. So we saw this one brown bear. There was the, I think the first bear that we saw, no sorry not a brown bear, it was a black bear that was like a tan color because they had like tan colors. I forgive me for getting the distinction wrong. It was not a grizzly.

There's no grizzlies in the bridges. So it was the type of bear that we could hunt. And we were getting close to it, and it was ginormous. So it would have been a great bear to get. You know, it was older and probably bred a lot. And the bridges has a bit of an issue with having too many black bears up there and they're like kind of wiping out the elk population which is why they give tags for hunting bear up there and we got pretty close to it and we had a shot potentially, there was about 400 yards

so it was quite far. And then we noticed there was another bear there, but it was also big, but not as big as the other one. And they came close together. That generally means that that's the cub. So even though the cub is really big, the rule is you can't shoot a mother with his cub, which makes total sense. And obviously, that was the choice that we followed. Like you, you got to follow these

rules, right? Even though he's been all day doing it, and it's like, you just got to say, look, no, because if you take out a mother with a cub that still needs the mother, and there's a reason the cub's still hanging with the mother, because they're learning, they're learning how to eat and how to mother with a cub that still needs the mother. And there's a reason the cub still hang out with the mother because they're learning. They're learning how to eat and how to deal with the land. And it's tough for them to survive out there. So you can't take it.

So that was a moral choice. It's not really. It was a legal obligation. But there's still a part of it that's like you have to make that choice. And it's pretty standard. Like there wasn't really any discussion within my group of taking that animal.

Like everyone was like, no, can't do that. And thank God we saw the cub before we decided to take the shot. Like we took time and the cub just happened to be close by. So when you get a bear tag, and there's a certain bullet points that are like, these are, is that there's probably only a few of them, but.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you can get males because they're on their own, fully grown males, and you could get a female if it doesn't have a cub. And that's, that's part of the rules. It's, it seems like the people that are right in those rules aren't the most savage people. It seems that they might be a little bit thoughtful for the environment and what they're doing.

Oh, dude, they're 100% that way and they have to be. And it's important. Like they're not just like go kill everything. I mean, what they do is they go around and they keep an eye on the numbers. They count. They've got they've got cameras up in the trails and they and they see how much How many animals are out there? You know deer's and elk they make an estimate and Whichever numbers are running if they're seeing more bears than they usually see or more wolves like

That means the predation is going to be higher than it usually is. The last thing you want is one bear or too many extra bears, like killing hundreds of elk or whatever they do it so that it's just a conservation thing, which I get it. It's like I speak to my dad. He doesn't care at all. He's like, no animal should be killed, no hunting should ever be done. Everything should be left for to nature. This is how he thinks. And I like, oh, all right. Well, this is also what I think. And, you know, kind of, I've, but it seems like a valuable, it seems like a valuable argument because to not keep those numbers in check, we don't

really get to see the outcome or the repercussions because we do in certain situations. That's whenever you see bears running around and I think Joe was talking about bears running around in Austin, getting in bear fights. I think you just made a very valuable argument But I think from the outside perspective it seems as though hunting comes with such a traumatic wrong Heart but at the end of the day like you said it's a heartfelt thing if you're really looking out for the animal And you're being cautious and following the guidelines that were written for a reason that seems like

It might be something to explore. Dude, I get both sides of the argument as well, because the majority of the reason we, as humans step in to kind of call their numbers, is because of our expansion and kind of like growth into their area. I mean, there is an argument for saying, just let them do that thing. But it's almost like we've created a bit of an environment

where they get pushed into areas and then they get a bit of an off balance. So therefore, it kind of makes sense that the ecosystem for us to step in. So when people talk to me about, well, we shouldn't be in that space anyway. Yeah, I mean, I get it because that's kind of why we have to, why it's a good idea to go on and get like sort these numbers out anyway. But we can't stop our expansion. It's just going to happen. Like, what it, what it

is going to tell people, like, you can't move to areas or we can't breathe our expansion, it's just gonna happen. Like, what are you gonna tell people, like you can't move to areas or we can't breathe more? What are we gonna have less children? Like humans are just doing what they do, man. You know? It's a good point. If somebody said that to me and they have like six kids, I'm not gonna tell them, hey, you've got too many kids.

I'm gonna be like, have as many kids you want. It's not China. Yeah. I wonder what you're dad thinks in that situation. Or I was thinking is what are his thoughts on the same thing about fish and every other animal? It doesn't matter what animal, don't kill it. Does anybody get a kill pass? Yeah, they've got to be bearers, bro. I mean we're overfishing the fuck out of the ocean. You can't do that. And that's why you have certain amount of tags and they don't say, everyone gets a moose tag we wipe all the moose out can't do that like there

has to be a balance for it yeah anyway let's jump over to the Gorgins bit where they were talking about I love how cam always brings up Gorgins because they're friends he ran 7,000 miles in one year, 20 miles a day. When I was up there, hiking that 12 miles a day, nice and slowly, even though I had a pack on, I was like walking pretty much as slowly as I could, because I was, yeah, it was like a struggle uphill in the snow. Imagine running 20 miles a day. How old Goggins like in his 40s? I think it's 43 44 really. Oh, he's not that much old. I believe I'll me double check Google it that does we need Jamie But 20 miles a day. Can you even fathom that?

Does he even have toenails or did they just give up? I? Don't think he has like, Terminator legs at this point. Unreal. Unreal. 47 and I take that back, I'm sorry. Oh, dude. Yeah. That's amazing.

Slam in it. Just unbelievable. And I mean, the fact that Cam is inspired by him, I mean, somebody fact that Cam is inspired by him, I mean, somebody that runs 240 miles when he's 54 inspired by another human. You got to be like, how many, like you're running out of people to be inspired by at that point, right? I mean, Crude House to the book called Endure. Like, that the that's the motto right? That's the motto endure. Legend. While hopefully Cam sells his book a lot and he gets on the New York best seller

he's going to stop. I better dominate. Yeah, you're going to buy that? I think it's I just like the name. So I think I could jump into that that I would like to hear a lot of his stories. I could vouch to say that I'll buy that book nice All right, let's jump over to let's jump over to Jack car This guy's a badass. I loved him like there were a few times he's been on I'm glad he doesn't bring up his beat the guy to death a rock story. That was pretty traumatic the first time. Wow. But what I loved about this is he brought up some things about his writing process that I feel is really important for a lot of people like getting good at what you do, the consistency, like putting in the time, you know,

I'm sure is so much of the timer of a writer. He's sit down and you just cannot think of anything to put down. So blocking out a period of time to like nail it in and then also sticking with your own philosophy. Like he's, I guess when he was writing these books, he probably was thinking, it would be great if they turn this into a movie or a show,

but it doesn't sound like he wrote it to pander to the people that would make a show. He just wrote it and was like, I believe that people will want this at some point. He's such a unique guy. I mean Just his voice that you can hear his voice. You know, there's some some Some stuff behind that some Navy seal stuff that has been through some journeys for sure Yeah, I mean the fact that he jumps into writing after that situation and can reflect and turn it into a creative endeavor

Is something that's probably not done by a whole lot of ex Navy seals into writing after that situation and can reflect and turn it into a creative endeavor is something that's probably not done by a whole lot of ex Navy SEALs. I mean, I could, I think of him and I think of Jocco. I don't really, and Goggins, but those guys all feed off of each other. And it's like they don't have no in there, in their DNA. It's like they will survive. I think Cam could fit right in that bunch too, but it's an interesting place, especially his view on war too. Like they touched on a lot of the military in industry complex and they discussed a lot of that.

And kind of, I knew that was there, but it definitely opened my eyes to what big business war is. That's why I kind of always had a hesitation to get into that kind of thing. Because I see the value of discipline, I see the value of camaraderie, and I see the value of taking care of your country,

and I see the value in all those things. But maybe this sounds like a scummy thing to say, but I always always think in like, yeah, that's all good, but you're like doing somebody else's dirty work and somebody else. We don't really know who's being affected. I don't feel like you have enough information to know what's right and what's wrong

because give Afghanistan a stab, you know, you look at that situation, who's benefiting from that and it took us 20 years to get out of Afghanistan and at what cost? And why did we make so many decisions that we did? It seems like everybody is, this goes without saying, but it's all financial. And they don't hold any of the senior reps

like accountable. And it's like why wouldn't that happen? It seems like, because they're financially vested. And nobody wanted to get out of that. Nobody wanted to get out of Afghanistan because they all had these huge contracts. So it made sense to stay there, right? It's heartbreaking to get it Afghanistan because they all had these huge contracts. So it made sense to stay there, right? It's hard breaking to hear it because people like Jack and a lot of the seals that have come on Rogan,

like they put their blood, sweat, tears, and their trauma into fighting these wars with things that we couldn't even understand, bro. And for them to turn around and watch something like that happen on the bureaucracy, political end, you know, by people up in Washington doing insider trading, making tons of money, and worrying more about whatever they worry about, walk culture, you just, you got to feel for them because they're like, seriously, I fought for this. Yeah, that's why they're so, yeah. I mean, it makes sense. It'd be hard to come back from the Navy SEAL journey in Afghanistan and have a woke

mentality. I would like to see the percentage of folks that do that. Well, thank God that he was able to like make this book into a show, which in a sense is a real expression of what he went through, you know, to where most people can see it, because that's a big thing. We're so disconnected from it, We don't get to see it. And he sounded adamant about making a movie that really portrayed what it was like. You know, he said he found that director that made that movie tears from the of the sun with Bruce Willis.

And he liked that guy. What was his name? I think it's Antoine Fuqua. Oh yeah, that's right. Well I watched that movie, right? So, when I went bare hunting, I went with a green beret. And I asked him to watch that movie. We didn't get around to it because we just camp firing and we just didn't put it up. But I wanted to get some feedback.

Was this realistic enough? You know, it is what Jack was saying, not to say that I needed to hear from someone else if Jack was right, but it's cool to get more feedback. You know what I mean? But anyway, I ended up watching it just on my own. And sometimes, even though Hollywood wants to make movies that it's like, oh, this is Rambo and this is what war is like. And you're like, God bless Rambo.

Those movies were great. But is it a portrayal that makes the regular people understand what's going on over how painful it is, how terrifying, how traumatic, and you can do both. You can make it entertaining, but also tell the story of what these people go through. I feel like Jack's going to do this. And having, who's that actor he's getting in? Damn it, I forgot his name. Oh, I got it right. Yeah. Chris Pratt.

Oh, Chris. Yeah. Having him in there, I mean, he, I think, is going to be a great portrayal. Oh, dude. He's a legend. So having him in there, also keeping it as close to that kind of narrative, I think it's an important story to tell. so people have more of an understanding of what these guys go through. Before we just get political and say, oh, we need to pull out, like, a whole lot. It's totally, I found it interesting, two of the way, even more detail, having him at the helm and being there on set.

It's like, he would have the opportunity to see how people would be holding guns and hold the triggers and have everything be super realistic because he's like, I don't want to be one of those movies where people that are in ex seals or ex soldiers see the movie and they get drawn out because it's all kind of BS and it's not realistic. Right. You know, it's kind of cool to have somebody that's focusing on the details. For me, I wouldn't really know, but for people that have been in that situation, that I would never do that.

Or you know what I mean? It's like, it's kind of cool to have that perspective. Well, that's why I wanted to watch it with my guy to figure out how close it was. I liked what he was saying about how you would steal a car. Right? Right. What he was saying about how you would steal a car, right? And what they did is they looked up like the exact car and exactly how to steal it. Because always in movies, you just smash the window,

punch the dashboard and pull two wires out. And I'm like, good fucking luck if you think you can start a car like that. Right, that's a great point. I mean, you have these stereotypes of what happens and you don't really know, I mean, that's how I always start a car. Got a hot wire. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's how it was back in the day or I just remember shoving a screwdriver in the side. That's how a couple of cars on I recall getting stolen. Wait, wait, are you

confessing to stealing cars right now? No, no, but I didn't let it steal cars. No, but it happened quite a bit in Arizona. I actually had three cars stolen, believe it or not, in Arizona. No shit. That was a wild thing. Yes, wild. Not a wild car. I mean, yeah, I would imagine all the cars you could probably just jam a thing in there

and game going. I also wanted this too. Like, remember those born movies, the born supremacy movies? It's like, I love like, I love James Bond. like remember those born movies the born supremacy movies. It's like I Loved like I love James Bond. I love the born movies. I love anything with like Navy SEALs like they're always fun Right, so like masculine fun, but at the same time they they often do things that you're like wait a second Would they have learned that like I don't know if they teach special forces guys how to steal cars? I'm pretty sure that's not a thing that they do.

Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. You probably have a lot of skills that we don't think that they have in that situation. They teach you everything. You'd want to know everything. If you're an Afghanistan or any of those parts of the country. Probably no doubt. Yeah. Well, maybe they just figured it out on the run. Like, you know, they just would stuck somewhere and they found a car and just, just googled it. Right. What about the thought about the spyware? Remember when they were talking about the spyware,

that's spied on the CIA just to prove what it could do? Oh yeah. That was an interesting, too. That was kind of nerve-wracking. Not nerve-wracking. I feel like if the government wants anything at this point, they can get it. So I hate to say that, but I'm still curious to see how much these signals and duck duck go.

And they're all cool options, but you got to know that the government's in there thinking, how do we debunk this? Yeah. There are whatever one they come up with. They're like, how do we break this one? I kind of thought that when they were talking about that, I'm like, wait a second. So like a phone company hacked a bunch of people in the CIA just to show how the technology worked. Assuming that I assumed the story was that they didn't tell the CIA they were doing it, I imagine that you would, after was get pretty arrested for that, right? Yeah, that seems like treason probably.

But I don't know how you're going to be. Maybe not. It's interesting. Maybe they had some approval and hacked them anyway, just to show holes in that game. I don't know. Yeah, one of the things. I don't know.

I wonder if that's a private company or a government-funded company that'd be an interesting show. I'm sure it's a private company. Yeah. I'm sure it's private. They were just showing it. Anyway, I'm a big fan of

Jack Carr, I like his stories or like his energy when he's on the pod. Like he's, he sounds good. And, and I haven't read his books, but I'm excited to watch his show when that comes out. I hope Chris Pratt keeps making those sounds though. Totally. What do you, what did they say? Was that going to be Netflix? I can't remember. I thought he said, well, I know he said it was on Amazon. Reacher was on Amazon because they made reference to that show as well because they said that's a lot more realistic than Tom Cruise doing that. But oh, yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't remember the, the, yeah, that dude on that show is for sure. I did want to touch on one quote that he like reiterated a few times from Larry Ellison

from Oracle. He said, I had all the disadvantages necessary for success. He reiterates that, probably that relates to the quote culture a little bit, but I mean, you can make up a thousand reasons why you're not going to be successful, but when you want to be something, he's a good, good example of it. Hmm. Good, good way to end that one. Let's jump over to Bert, Khrysha, and Tony Hinchcliff.

I love to have a pic Tony out. They just saw him at a stoplight and were like, Hey Tony, you wanna go do a pod? And he's like, fuck yeah, I'm not golfing. Yeah, legit. I'm just smoothing up in the yellow quervet. This might have smelled sober. Bert stayed throughout a whole pod.

100%. There were a lot of fun towards the end. It must have been early in the day. Right. He talked about that too. I mean, just to touch on, he said, I do drink quite a bit, but he's like, I have some buddies that, when you know, you're off the rails when you start drinking in the morning, and I had to talk about that, you know.

Well, it was surprising to me that he said he doesn't really drink till like, almost midnight. So, it's not even until his like, last performance that he like starts. So, you've got to think the window of his drinking is actually quite short. Now, I'm sure, because it's because it's but he's a legend of partying that he packs a lot in but that's pretty good for him that he's not slamming it all day. I mean, I guess he just wouldn't live if he did that. Well, apparently according to the doctors, he is his liver is in the green and he's doing just fine. That doesn't seem possible. We need a second opinion on this.

I think a second opinion might be indeed. He does work out, I've seen, I mean, I follow him on Instagram by workout. He has, it seems like he just goes through phases like everybody else, but he's usually holding a glass of wine on the treadmill. So I don't know, that's an interesting, interesting take. It's so nice to see him become a professional too.

They showed some of those videos then, then back in the day, him and Red Band, they just didn't even look like the same folks who's cool to see the progression. Yeah, I did like the challenge that Rogan threw out, like 100 grand for Red Band and whoever that other guy was. And then also, yeah, something for, for boot as well. Like, I love that Rogan, you know, pushes and, and also gives them some shit and, you know, and they, it's not like either, all of these guys come

on and they're like, no, I'm not doing it. That's bullshit. Like, they hear it and they're inspired by it. They're just trying to find a way to kind of lose that weight, you know? Well, you can hear Joe actually cares, like he really cares about his friends. And he comes through, especially when it comes to birth, because I'm sure Bert has reached out to him in some dark moments. Yeah. And Joe has to be the one to call him on it, because he, I'm sure he looks up to him and they kind of came up together.

So it's, it is what it is. I wish nothing but the best. He's proved to it that he can do it when he wants to step up. Right. It was just heartbreaking because like Joe's talked about it too. Like how many of his friends as he already lost either from being overweight, drugs, or you know, suicide even in the comedy community. I mean it's it's a wild bunch so he wants to take care of him because this way he does the part like he did the part originally not because of money because he enjoyed it and he wants to talk to his friends and he wants to talk to him for long periods of time which means he wants to be able to be with them for his whole life journey, as well as theirs,

and he doesn't want to cut short. I think losing Hartman when he was on news radio was harder for him than he often told us about. You know, he does talk about it and it was hard. But I think it really hit home with, you know, he misses that guy a lot. He loved that guy. I think that guy in a lot of ways was a man-tortured Joe. I would assume. But just because of his experience and having him gone was tough and it makes him

want to really, I don't know, prioritize and you know, care for his friends. It's what it seems. Yeah, I literally have like five names pop into my head when you listed overweight, suicide, and drugs. Like, there's like a bunch, you know what I mean? I don't even want to want to go through all the names, but I don't want to either because it's sad to do it But there's there's been too many man What about the real quick though talking about a recent death was McDonald no McDonald and he has a stand-up special coming out.

God, I hope that that thing, it's gonna be good. Norm always did good work, but the fact that he kept it quiet, I want that thing to go to number one immediately. I want it to just be, I'm so hopeful of that I I can't wait for it. I wonder who's getting the proceeds of that. I hope it's his family and stuff. Oh, of course it is. That's going to that's going to that's going to go to number one. No question about it. I think they said that he did it in an empty theater too. I don't know if that's true. I think it's under wraps, but that'd be such a cool environment. It'd be really weird if he doesn't have at least,

like, look, I'm not a fan of laugh tracks, but it would be very strange if he did it with like nobody laughing. I mean, maybe you could pull it off. It would be like doing the office or something like that where you just got to figure out what the jokes are, but I don't know how you could do that for stand-up. Dude, he was so good as it is, but think about going into a stand up special knowing that your days are numbered, like literally numbered.

I wonder how relative and how intuitive his thoughts are in that kind of situation where you're like, I might have two weeks to live. I don't know the dynamic, but... Dude, knowing, knowing Norm, it probably put... And I don't know him, obviously But knowing, knowing Norm, it probably put, and I don't know him obviously, but just like from watching him, it probably put him in such, I'm just assuming, but like in such a flow,

like, you know, you could imagine that that could put him into a place where he gives so zero fucks that it just is clean material and his jokes are so unique and so ridiculous. If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole my listeners, go to Conan O'Brien, Norma Donald, anytime he goes on there, the way he just carries a story and drags it out forever and then crushes. It's just the most beautiful madness you've ever seen in your life. It's amazing.

That said, I mean, I really hope that he gets to be the voice of this whole past two, three years of our lives. Think about it. I mean, it would be an awesome thing to see him come out and just throw out some little up as being on the other side of what it was. Right. Be able to say everything that everybody wanted to say. Yeah. Let's finish up this podcast with the treatments

that the bird's been doing. So he talked a little bit about the Frisbee golf like standing shape of that. I love the fact that he wants to put on a Frisbee tournament. That would be amazing and if Joe goes to host that that would do. How wild would that be? If they do that on a two bears, that would be epic. But then he was talking about his IV treatments with his glue to thigh on. And how that hells breakdown alcohol. You know, I don't want to justify drinking too much by having those things, but

hey, at least he's offsetting potentially a bit of the damage, you know. How'd you heard of that prior to this? I've never heard of it. Oh, I've had one of those. I've had a glutathione IV before. He said, oh, I've had one of those. I've had a glutathione IV before I You know, I couldn't really tell what it did. I mean I'm just pretty real, but it wasn't like I love going. Oh, yeah I feel like way healthier than when I went in I mean I was hungover when I went in and I felt kind of like I don't really I don't get headaches with my hangovers but you just feel tired you know kind of worn out I didn't feel like super

energized but I mean it it seems like the science is somewhat in on that stuff being good for you so you know I'll keep doing it. Maybe I need to get a Costco size of the glutathione. Yeah, it's, I don't know. It's one of those things, it's like up there with sauna, right? So they're telling you it's good, do it, stay on top of it. If you drink, if you drink heavy,

if you go to Vegas, yeah, get a glutathione IV. It won't be, it's not gonna be bad for you. Like get it in your system. And if you can afford it, just do it. I don't think they're that much, so I got 100 bucks. I might give the try just to see what if there is any benefit. I do, I do. I think you can quickly realistically

even spend 100 bucks, even if you don't have a lot of money. You can do it real fast. On stupid shit you don't need. I would be curious as to how much more benefit that is for then like a hour long Hot cold session in the sauna and cold plunge seems like that might be Pretty core. I mean correlate well I mean you got to be careful doing a sauna after drinking a lot because it's gonna de-hardrate you more So you do want to think about getting electrolytes in your system and a lot of fluids.

Sorener after drinking, he's going to dehydrate you more. I don't know if that's super beneficial. So it's relative, right? It's kind of timing. Yeah, let's finish off with that one story that he said, the bird story when he said he went on a hunt helicoptered back to the top of that mountain hopped on a motorcycle, cruise down the was cruising down listening to Wilco with his glasses on his headphones on just bumping music that he loves. Oh, he said all all the horses came running up next to him. I was like, dude, that is a frickin movie right there, bro. Dude, that that travel show that he had, I mean I know he didn't care for it because it took him away from comedy and Joe was like, dude you need to quit that so you're not like

in the corporate system and like focus on your comedy which obviously has worked out well for him. But my god, did it, does it sound like he gave him some incredible adventures? Like comedy. Oh no, for sure. That was a love it. What a legend. Does it sound like it gave him some incredible adventures? Like common. Oh no. For sure. That was a good one. What a legend.

To Bert Krocher. To Bertie. Absolutely legend. Well, anyway, thank you guys. As always for tuning in, we appreciate you sticking on us to the end. And we'll see you next week. Love you.

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