Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 274 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Lex Fridman Et al.

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

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which we support at every turn. This week's guest on Rogan that we will be reviewing is Chris DeStefano. He's a comedian, American comedian, though he says he's German descent. Started his career on MTV and worked into the podcast world and now has a few comedy specials. Very funny guy. He's been making the circuits in the comedy podcast world and he's gonna be a big name for sure. Then we have Neil Brennan, almost needs no introduction, one of the headwriters on the Shapow Show, he's an incredible

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Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad. with my man Garrett. What's up guys? What do you think at Chris? A huge fan. He grew on me a lot. I was telling you before the pod I didn't know a whole lot about him. I knew he just put out that new half hour on Netflix, which is awesome. You guys should go check it out. Amazing. But throughout this pod you guys. Yeah, it was a special call, do you remember?

Swashi. get swashi, I'm messing it up, but I'll figure it out. Seems close. Google it, Google it for that guy. I really liked how he opened up being really quite vulnerable. I mean, not to say he looks like a douchebag, that's not fair to say, but like he's a big guy and a handsome dude and you could imagine he just comes on and you know, does one of those, I've got all the answers, Borshirt, but he didn't do anything like that. It was really surprising and after seeing his comedy, which and him on other podcasts, which are really entertaining, he's so funny. I mean, he talks great shit, he's hilarious.

And then for him to come on Rogan and do so much time, just kind of like really, kind of pouring his heart and fears out on things. I'm like, I think it's important to hear that stuff. I don't know. It was so refreshing and just for the record, his special is especiallyci Wessie. Go check that out on Netflix.

Oh, the good old, special. Special. He's so self-deprecating. I think there weren't even five minutes in. And he was like, you brought that shirt. Like Joe made reference to the shirt that he was wearing. And he was like, I know. He's like, it distracts from my nipples.

He's like, they got the kind of puffy nipples, you know? He was pretty fine. Yeah, hilarious. Yeah, he was brilliant. I love the puffy. Who's talking about that puffy nipples on broken? Well, that's a first. And we got to give him that. Well, and he also admitted that he was doing, I think he said, D ball and a bunch of other like steroids. He was the Jersey Shore guy, like back in the day. That's what I pictured was like him. Like could have been on cast on the Jersey Shore. But to see him come from that and to see him grow. Like he has his two girls now and he's the man.

Like I said, he also made reference to a book. I remember I've actually read it twice. I didn't tell you that, but he made reference to that book, The Five Sec I've actually read it twice, I didn't tell you that, but he made reference to that book, The Five Secrets, The No Before You Die, by Joe Ezo. Oh yeah, yeah, he did talk about that. I've never heard of that. Me neither, I sought it out, and hit me, and Alicia just read it, like I read it probably a day. I was, it was a great book.

Nice. I'm on my, it's a recommended another book, The Five Thieves of Happiness, which Joe's made reference to before as far as I remember, Naval's made reference to that too, just desired. Well, give us a breakdown of whatever that book is about. Just write it. What's going on? The five things to do, well, you was talking about a variety of people that were on their deathbed from all different walks of life. And it was the same narrative that you hear all the time. Nobody's talking about, I wish I would have made more money. I wish I had another BMW. It's like, I wish I would have cultivated these relationships. I wish I would have said, I'm sorry, I wish I would have just been more self-deprecating. I wish I would have just

been in the moment and I think that if we all try and practice those things it's like and they always make reference to even if you know the secrets you have to implore them you know what I mean you have to utilize them for them to come to fruition so it's one thing to know the knowledge it's another thing to implement in your life and make it a practice so that's the constant you know but uh you know but I I don't like those books don't do a lot for me I mean like yeah it's all nice but what about like getting shit done and mastering stuff I'm with him being like an expert it's it's like slowing down being in the moment

and okay well like yeah good too but like I feel like you could be a stone on a beach and do that shit. True, that's all how you cultivate it. It's all I can interpret it, but I could see you coming from both angles. But I do think that when you, you always talk about just being loved too. Like he's connected with the idea of love.

I know you're cynical to the idea of love and you don't know how to love but I'll teach you But it's I think when you lead with that seems like a host judgment that no, well, I love you I love you too, but I'm just saying when you lead with love and you lead with that. I mean it seems the never fail to be honest that I don't know it just the more idea that we're all connected to, you know, rather than... It's a nice message. It is. It's a nice hallmark already.

It goes with your crystals. Tushae, Tushae. Tushae. What do you think about him, Todd? Is it worth, do you think I should check that book out though, knowing me? I'm not gonna get a lot out of it, or is it gonna be a bit... I mean, you've checked out sleepers the counter money Chris Though the handful of things that I've asked you to check out which I think have been

In their own right good lessons maybe not the right specific time I will own that but I think that there's lessons to be learned in a lot of these things, you know like He was I liked how he was talking about his mom during the 9-11 thing. He said his mom like was in one of the twin towers and he had this like coming to God moment where he thought for sure she was gone and then she would, he like came home and she was there and he thought he was like hugging a ghost and I was like, he was so just profound with what he said. There was there was definitely no shade to anything he was so just profound with what he said there was there was definitely no shade to anything he was saying it was just straight from the

heart you know which was awesome yeah yeah I mean the stress that he's picked up from 9-11 and I mean obviously I assuming he was right in New York right so and that like really that affected at least all of America and a lot of the world. Like, I lived in England at that time and it was a big deal there. I mean, that shook the globe in a way. So, imagine living right in New York

and being that young and potentially having what your mother died from this. That's gonna have a lasting effect. And it was, it was cool. It was interesting. And, and fair play to him for kind of hitting that and being clear about it and not pretending it was something else. Right. I mean, dude, I'm not kidding.

I got a little afraid of flying for a few years after 9-11. Did you, do you remember? I just did. I was like, I think we're gonna crash all the time. That's what I would think. Do you remember where you were on 9-11? Yes. I was in a gym in Stroud in England,

and we're watching it on the television. I moved back to England, so it was 2001, right, in obviously September. Then, um, yeah, so I've been in England about a year from moving back from America. And because it was so surreal, and they were like these two people in the gym that worked there watching on the television and It was almost like when the first tower hit like Most of us there were just like is this a movie?

Like what is this a trailer to a movie like no one knew you know, there was so much confusion Totally and then by the time it like said in that this was really fucking happening in the second one came They'll I remember these two guys that were working in the gym and they're not really bad dudes I know one of them quite well since then, but they like started laughing I don't know what they were talking about and I flipped out. I was like dude Do you have any idea how many people are fucking dying in that building right now? Like, are you all mad? Wow.

But, you know, it was just crazy. It was just the whole thing was crazy. That was the exact watching that happen, like holy fuck. Right. That was like literally the exact situation that I had except I was watching the TV. I remember my mom called me and she was like

Garrett, you know, turn the TV and as I turned on the TV I just saw the remnants of the first plane hit and then it was like Segway Bam next plane hit and I was like, oh my god, that just said in I really remember the feeling that came over to me. I was a freshman in college, sophomore in college, maybe a sophomore in college. And I remember thinking to myself immediately, and he said it too, immediately.

I was like, I'm going, I'm joining the army and I'm going to fucking kill somebody. I think a lot of people thought that way. Like people were rightly upset. And that was the first thought, for sure. What a weird thing too, he was saying that, that happened in New York and he's like, my buddies went into those stores

and started breaking stuff and being dicks to people's that were owners of those stores, you know? It was a weird time and they like shifted that whole narrative to feel that way, but I mean, who knows the real truth at the end of the day I will say when I get on a plane I'm always like ready you know I will say that at least I have that mindset now dude I feel like if anyone ever stood up on a plane now I was like oh I'm gonna take this plane over they've got like five seconds before 19 guys jump on them just waiting for that moment

to happen because I know that I'm not the only one thinking that, you know. Yeah. And they try and take you out with a nail file. But that was the thing. Before then, you know, people would potentially, right? They would hijack planes. But it was always like, they just landed the airport and then give their demands and then you keep going.

I think the narrative before 9-11 was like, look if that happens just stay chill we got people on the ground like nobody was thinking about the potentiality of flying it into a structure in a suicide thing. So yeah it's not surprising the most people back then were like, all right, I guess this sucks, but we just wait, see what happens. And that... He also made that wasn't good. Not good.

Segway from that, what do you think about his, I think he mentioned just a couple moments of like poetic justice, which I thought we should talk about. As far as like the guy on the bus or the subway, when he had his daughter and he was with his dad in the, these like three rambunks, it's like 18 to 20 year old kids were like screaming on the bus or on the subway and he was like guys, can you please keep it down?

And then his daughter, oh yeah, because he was making his kid cry. And she had a ear infection. And he was like, I remember, like, the Stefano's dad was like, he looked over at the guy and he had cauliflower ear and he's like, whatever you do. And this is his bad ass dad. He was like Italian mafia guy that he describes.

His dad's like, don't mess with those guys. No matter what. And so he was like, the way he described the story about how his wife like reenched over and like started rubbing his back to like kind of calm him down. And he was like, guys, please keep it down. He gave him like a second strike.

And the guy, the way the script described it, the guy just like laughed in his face with complete disgust and like no remorse whatsoever. And he was like, he stood him up and basically just ripped his arm right off of his body. And the kid just... Hmm, yep. Well, I mean... There's certain moments like that where everybody gets on board and you're like, all right, you gave you two strikes. And if you, if I saw a kid, let alone my kid, if I say a kid crying in that situation,

I'm gonna have to take a deep breath before I come over and rectify the situation. So I can't imagine what it's like to be his pops in that situation or her pops, you know? Yeah, I don't know. You hear stories like that and you're like, fat, fat, good. I mean

Sometimes some people need their asses kicked and we've all been I mean not all of us But a lot of us have been that like annoying kid on the train too, you know, you get too carried away Just having fun. You think you can get away with some shit And it's been a while before somebody reminded you that you know what you can't always right before somebody reminded you that you know what? You can't always. Right. He talked about his dad walking into the principal's office and after he hit, oh, he punched that kid in the face, and punched that kid in the face because he made fun of his mom or started laughing after the 9-11 thing. And then he described the situation to his dad and his dad like walked into the principal's office and it was like, oh, rest in peace Ray the Oda too. But, uh,

uh, made me think- Let me guess, that wasn't your note? It's a little dark. Well, made me think of Casino, but he was like, you know those guys you see that talk about breaking kneecaps, he's like, I am that guy. And he was like, about to call somebody on the phone, he just like hangs up the phone,

you could like picture the story as he's saying it. And he's like, here's what happened. He's gonna be suspended or not suspended, but he's gonna go to detention. He's gonna be out the basketball team. You see that or I break your kneecaps. And he's like, all right. Dude, well listen, I don't recommend that way

with communicating. I agree. All right, that story was like a little wild. Fair play that I guess in a sense is that did everything he could, but there's also a way to behave. Like you shouldn't threaten people. Like that's basically threatening assault.

And in a sense that's bullying. I mean that is bullying, all right? 100%. You know, we don't know the ins and outs. Maybe the priest was being a dick. Maybe he was like, you know, showing like too much power that he didn't need to possess and the dad was just feeling it and doing his best. Like, there's a lot of nuance to it. But generally, that's not the way to deal with it. But, hey, I guess in the end, when you like I don't I guess you can't say the

the You know the effect of what you do leads to a good friendship like you can't know that But it sounds like they became friends. Yeah after the fact and there was a mutual respect and and so in a sense it worked out But it could have been so much worse. Imagine that. I mean who knows if the priests have been armed and felt threatened? I mean that shake had escalated in a whole different direction. I mean what if we try to take that approach in a lot of different situations? I think that we would probably be a lot more enlightened if we could just see where other people were coming from. I mean, I know that's far fixed. Way of looking at that moment, but what do you mean?

As far as from the priest goes, he's like, I'm the guy that has to divvy out the punishment, but at the same time, I have to acknowledge the fact that maybe this was a compromise circumstance where you just thought he found out that his mom died so like given all the details he was even talking about stuff like that I think that if you get all the details and you still be a dick that's on you but I mean they were talking about going on rides at Disneyland and stuff like that. I mean, I remember that. Like, it's like, you don't have to be a dick about stuff. If you get all the facts, I don't know that was a segue, but you know what I'm saying? If you get all the information, maybe you can make a better judgment on some situations. True, but oftentimes, I mean, we've had those bosses.

Like, you've given all the facts and they've already made their mind up. You know, they're not listening to you and they're just like, this is how it's going to be and you've got to suffer it and that's the end of it. And you know, it's more than even that individual discussion. It's like they're setting a tone so that other people have the same fear as to their authority. And it's just bullshit. I mean, against a point where I get the motive of his dad to do that. He's probably been told so many times that he went to jail. There's probably been plenty of situations where people would just not listening to what he had to say

and he's in there trying to keep his kid in school and he's like well i'm gonna do whatever it takes so that's that's the motive that i'm coming in there with and to his credit there's part of that you got a respect you got to respect that and that's his frame of reference to so i mean that's what he has to judge that's what he has to basis decisions on

what about his cousin or i think it was his cousin or his uncle that is transgender dude was that right and he sat him on the podcast right quite a few times i think and i think he served some time in jail too oh yeah yeah, who was he talking about? Because he was in there with the son of Sam. Right, right, right. And some other big time murder, I guess. Right, he had transitioned since he was in there. And he said he has a great perspective on life.

He loves having him in his kids' lives. It's kind of a cool story. Not the story. Well it is nice in a sense I mean look he knows the person, he knows that's not a threat to his kids and if he or she has she I guess has lessons that are useful and Chris trusts it. I mean yeah not everyone that goes to jail or gets out is a bad person, right? They've done some things wrong,

but people make mistakes. Now there's plenty of people that go to jail that maybe you don't want around your kids. But to say that everybody that has can't ever be around them, I mean, you, no, I don't believe that. Fair. I think that's a fair assumption. I wonder what the wonder what the percentage is on that though because if you told me that

Your brother did ten years in jail and you're like you got a meet him. I'd be like I definitely want to meet him But you definitely have your hesitations or reservations. Hopefully you wouldn't but who knows That said I feel like I feel like a lot of it's reasonable. I mean violent crimes Somebody's been to jail for violent crimes and done like 10 years. Yeah, maybe ease into hanging out with them too much and I think who knows whether or what they're about right I feel like a lot of people that come out of jail though have such a different perspective on life that it almost gives them I don't want to say a benefit, but they know like human nature to an nth degree. Well, they know violent human nature for sure.

Well, I think they know all facets, but definitely violent, but they also know what people are capable of. But why would they know all facets? Just if you took them to like a highfalutin like super fancy dinner party, um, well, I think you have like high society quote unquote, you think they'd be able to navigate that well? That's a good question, I think that they would also, they, they probably be at a disadvantage, but I also think that they would know what people are capable of.

So they could probably see through a lot of bullshit too. Like money and highfalutins might not necessarily put on that facade for them. I don't think they would be like, oh, he's rich. I don't know. I guess it's a singular situation, but I don't know that there's a blanket statement that you could say. I think that that situation may give you a tainted view on society or humanity, but it also gives you like good insight to what people are capable of. Fortunately, you're unfortunately.

Yeah, again, it's back to violence. It teaches you the most violent way of surviving. It teaches you a lack of resource type of thinking because they don't have a lot in there, and they gotta keep that shit tight. And also people get one up on them. I mean, you know, there's a lot of strange psychological manipulation, I'm sure that goes on in there. Like, be ready. But also, you know, think of your life in Venice. It's like as easy as it gets.

Everyone's having a good time. We're just all chilling. Like they're not going to be used to that. They're not going to be very trusting of people. They're going to be very suspicious and quite rightly because if you went into like a long term prison being super open and trusting, people are going to take advantage of you so fast You wouldn't even know what you were doing. It take all your shit Yeah, I wonder if that's just something we take for granted not being in prison Probably maybe at times. I mean, I guess it depends who you hang out with. I don't want to hang out with like super hippies

To be honest, I'm just like good for you. No, it's all love, bro. Yeah, I guess it depends who you hang out with. I don't wanna hang out with super hippies, to be honest. I'm just like, good for you. No, it's all love, bro. Yeah, get it. It's good, nice. But also, you know, three of your friends are just mad or massive dickheads so maybe you don't hang out with them. That said, where do you lean on human nature?

Do you think it's instinctively means to good or do you think it's instinctively means to good or like Do you think it's more instinctive as like take care of my own or what what do you think? It's not a question of that the instinct comes from what you're born into what you're shown true like To say instinct it's just an adjustment. Yeah, like what the human being is capable of a massive range of behaviors. And if you're an entire environment, I mean, think about it. So you look at, if you get a very peaceful society,

right, in a peaceful area where like, you know, you've got a private school, blah blah blah, and you live in Malibu, and either most of your friends are rich, or they just have a pretty easy life. And then you got one kid at school that wants to fight everybody, it's not gonna work. You're like, this kid's gotta go, some mess. It doesn't fit in with what's happening here.

But then you take that kid out of that life, and then you put him in some village in some de-proverous country that's struggling and he's able to defend himself plus others against bullies and little types of tyranny, then that guy becomes potentially a leader. And he feels for some reason. But it's a more appropriate adjustment within your range like it's kind of what we're doing does that happen in society like that's I don't know if that actually happens that sounds like a great idea you don't think people adjust to their environment no no I do but I don't think that that situation

like that is great on paper like pull that kid out that's causing fights put him in a village and let him defend the village That sounds awesome, but doesn't know I wasn't saying pull him out I'm just saying the same person right that would have grown up in that village and adjusted to that village's energy more appropriately Then his actions wouldn't potentially be seen as as Disrupted right that makes sense wouldn't potentially be seen as disruptive. Right? That makes sense.

Yeah, there's an appropriate adjustment that should happen kind of in any place. Right. Hopefully. That's like the melting pot theory almost. Totally. Like you go to an area and you eventually, you know, you take your culture and history with it. But if you want to be a part of the melting pot, you a you got to kind of fit in with that society that lives there

It's how it works. It's how you make a New York City, you know back in the day true true You know, I felt bad for Chris when he was talking about his girlfriends and how You know he like he's obviously a sweetheart, right? So he cares a lot. He didn't want to be, he doesn't sound like he was ever like a douchebag type, which is impressive because he probably easily could have been.

But he chose not to. And he would worry about what they, whether they messaged them or what it said. I mean, you know, maybe did lean maybe too far on the side of the anxiety and putting too much trust into how they can make him feel. But I gotta say there's something to it. It's better than just being a dick to people. Have you ever felt that way?

I can say first hand, I felt that way. Like, hmm, I don't know the extent that he was talking about as far as like a vows in the middle of the basketball game, I want to go check my phone, but you've always been there. Oh, we've all been there. Yeah, of course. There's always a lot of people been there. Yeah, there's just beautiful people you meet and you want to, and it's good and you want to hear from them.

And hopefully, you know, they want to and it's good and you want to hear from them and hopefully you know they want to do the same so it's like a good balance and they don't make you feel insecure but there's people out there that will they will manipulate you and control that and dial it in just to have you on the hook and it sounds like that's a bit way he got to so it's a bit way he got to. So it was a little difficult for him. Yeah, that makes you start question. That makes you start question yourself. And I think that's, that's, yeah, that's where depression probably comes from. And a lot of those kind of feelings come from to like an adequacy and that stuff.

Well, yeah, so how do you control, isn't it? Yeah. Just like trying to do your best, trying to love someone in care for them, and then it's, you know, it's all on your mind. You forget who you are and what's important to you, and you're just like pandering to them, and then it's a mess.

But that's, I mean, how old was he then? He was playing basketball, he was 21. I mean, that's young. You're gonna go through those, you got to. It's a part of, I mean, that. I mean, if nobody's broken your heart before 21, you need to go out there and get your heart broken. Otherwise, you're gonna be in trouble.

Yeah, I don't know if I could say that. I had one solid girlfriend to a college, but as far as breaking my heart, I don't know. That's a good point. I felt, yeah, I don't know. That's a good point. I felt. Yeah, I should feel more sometimes. Well, but there's, but I'm just saying that maybe it's not requirement, but it's a useful tool. So when people have had their hearts broken and they think their life is over,

it's not over at all. It's just as painful. And this would be useful in the future because maybe you won't you know allow someone that you can see is trying to manipulate you or whatever they're doing to do it in the same way. You'll pick a different type of person and that's how you learn. Like it's easy just to go for as a guy the prettiest thing that you see that's popular, but then you also realize wait a second, they're not good people. And that's an important part of it too. Are they nice? Are they kind? Do they get cruel?

Will they try and take whatever they can from you? Like, how much do you think that goes into this? What happens? How much of that do you think goes into the approach, like, into your future relationships? Because I've even tried to do this, this like certain aspects of prior relationships are like, I don't want to make that happen again. So what can I do to not make that happen? I think that being transparent and communication is obviously the best tool, but it seems like

he's still running into these issues. Sometimes you have these like relationships that are toxic in the past. And you're like, am I the toxicity? Or am I making a conscious change to make the future relationships and the future endeavors in my life learn from those past experiences? I think that should be the... Yeah, I mean Chris talks about it, right? He made a point to be like, you know, you need to know when you're wrong and admit it, which is hard.

People don't want to do that, right? I think that most people without training or like that good feedback would rather just be wrong and try and hide the fact that they were wrong and seem right, then actually reflect and take that responsibility on. Don't you, I mean, I appreciate those people in my life so much that can say I was wrong. And not to say that I'm some self-reflective person because I'm wrong all the time. But I think to acknowledge it and be like, all right, I was wrong. What can I do? How can I be better? If you could ever say that to me in any situation, like that is the most besides, I don't even want to hear

I'm sorry. I just want to hear you know what? I fucked up there. How can I how can I fix that in the future and how can we move on? Like that's the best. Yeah, that's excellent. I do it with you at almost every week with a podcast. I appreciate it. Right? Yeah. It's a freebie, you're welcome. So get better. Please go. I'm trying to remedy that.

No, but that's exactly it, right? I mean, it is hard to hear. But if someone that you are sure cares about, you says it to you, you're like, there has to be something here. There has to be. So what should I do? I guess I could say, no, it's not worth it. I'm not going to push that hard. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to change. I'm not going to adjust. Or you say, you know what? I respect this person. And there's something here that's important. But the older I get, sorry, there's no satisfaction from the first one you said.

You know what I mean? You don't get any satisfaction from being right. Like I don't. There's no way I can like write home or say, like write a blog about how I was right. You know what I mean? Like I just want to be kind. I don't think there's any satisfaction from being right. Sometimes I want to be right. You're going to feel guilty, right? Yeah, of course. You're going to be your feel guilty.

You'll take it with you. And there is an option. There's always options. You can cut those people out of your life. You could, if you wanted, cut all the people out of your life that push you to do better so you don't have to face it. But then you're just gonna surround yourself with losers and not really do well.

Whereas if you surround yourself with people that really get shit down and give you honest feedback that's useful because you admire them and you're willing to adjust, look, you don't have to fix everything on day one. But it's worth listening to and saying, hey, I'm gonna keep my life and if they keep giving me shit about this,

maybe I should pick up my end. Yeah, right. At least acknowledge it. Like, at least put the thought in your mind and let it fucking whirl around and like give some. Yeah, I tried to do that. I mean, I have had friends in the past, the good friends that I admire a lot

that have called me out on some stuff that was very painful. And it really made me look at myself and go, damn it, you're right, I fucked that up. And those thoughts do creep in and then you're like, I don't want to have to face this. You know, maybe if I just ignore it for a while and not talk to this person it'd be better. But eventually it catches up with you, man. And there's just no way out of it if you want to do better. And I feel like each one of those moments is an opportunity for growth. Because when you come out of those moments and you have those conversations and you allow yourself to feel,

those are the times where you're like, you can come out on the other side and be like, all right, now I can reflect on that. Now I have some perspective on if that happens again, I won't make that same decision. I'll at least try and be a little bit more authentic or transparent in that moment. So that'll give me the opportunity to not look back on this moment now and have the same feeling.

Hopefully. Yeah, I feel like Chris was doing that a lot even during the pause, totally part and it's admirable I agree like I'm a fan of this guy big time I liked him before he was because he was very funny But I didn't really feel like I knew Kind of him in his thought process and now that I've seen him like heard him talk on this I have a ton of respect for that dude. I see why so many comedians think that he is a bad ass

de eso. Yo veo por qué muchos comienzos pensaron que él es tan bueno. Bueno, creo que es muy bueno. Vamos a ir a Neil Brennan. Nos vamos a ver por la semana, pero me gusta Chris. Lo que quiero dar a él es que era la hora, porque era... ¡Gracias! ¡Débanse! ¡Vamos!

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Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de dad. an amazing joke writer, super reflective guy, and if you watch his stand-up three mics, you see that he also has struggled with a lot of things that he wants to talk about, and he brings it into the narrative. I mean this was one of the more psychedelically reflective podcasts I've ever heard on Rogan, and that's saying something. Sure. I, his stand up three mics I think I've showed to, it's always like my drunk if I'm growing out with somebody or like, have somebody I'm bringing home and I kind of want to

give them an insight, I'm like, he got to watch this. Like I've done that with a handful of people. He's one of those guys that is again, light Chris, just so self-reflective and I think it's come through even more of late, like he had this whole construct of what life was and he, I think for the most part, he is sober other than psychedelics, but he's gotten such on board with that,

which makes his voice that much louder as how important and how vital it is to at least explore the idea of psychedelics as an opportunity to like get introspective and find yourself because he was so cynical of anything, you know what I mean? Like that's part of his personality that he kind of like thrives on. So the fact that he's kind of metaphorically stepped outside of the box and started trying some new forms of medicine if you want to call it for his own mind. Like he beats himself up all the time. And you always have to remind yourself he's the youngest of 10 kids. Like that's crazy. I mean, like I always have to come back. What do you know that cold bear was like that too?

I didn't know. It was the same idea. Dude, I think more than 10, maybe 11. Like, he was the youngest. And it's not unusual when you're the youngest to struggle for attention. Amongst a lot of people, so you become silly. You silly goose it. And then comedy or improv or I don't

think that Colbert didn't stand up but like you did a lot of improv. I mean it makes sense that it kind of creates those characters. You gotta find your angle to find your moments to get your parents' attention. Yeah. I mean, you got to make a lot of noise. And that some of the most. You got to make a lot of noise. Some of the most resilient, to be honest. I would like to see numbers on first borns compared to even second borns as far as success goes, because I think that

there's got to be something in the DNA or something. I feel like the first born is always going to get a little bit more coddled in the second. And the second seems to be a little bit more resilient. Maybe this is just my... I don't know, I have one little brother, he's a champion, so I'm in shout out, but we both gonna... Well, a lot of times it seems like the oldest...

The parents are the strictest with the oldest one, right? Because they haven't had kids before, so there's a lot of control. Make sure they're safe, don't do this, don't do that. The second one comes and you're just like, okay, got a new one and then you have the third, so there's that kind of middle child energy where they don't always know exactly what they're fit in.

The middle child, there's always a little bit different I mean I say always who knows but then the younger one by the time they come the parents are like ah fuck it You're fine. Do whatever you want. They seem spoiled the oldest one super annoyed at the youngest because they're like I didn't get to do that at his age and He's like the parents are like yeah because we didn't know if you'd survive but you seem fine so now he can just go all her can just do whatever. You're still alive so we're gonna let her shut the door with her boyfriend and then. Yeah be alright.

Be alright. Don't worry about it. But think about it you do that in reverse. It's like you keep mine on survive. Start with the first one and you like just do whatever you want. I've a bungee jumping at age six. You're like, oh shit. My dad gave me a long leash, I will say. But that's probably what made me. My brother definitely, throughout high school, got a little bit longer at least. he got a shut the door with the girls in the room so At least there was no babies Bless him were you parents religious?

No, I mean we just had a single mom and my mom was like I always remember Don't put yourself in compromising situations. That's what I would always hear Meanwhile, huh? save that for another pod. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's, it sounds more emotional. We get back to it. Let's talk about the type of therapy that he did though. So he went, I heard about his cat's men therapy way back in the day. And it's funny that he said that it didn't really work because I was under the impression that that really worked for him. I think we all were.

I think he said the record straight on this one. He's like, I think I kind of led people to believe that that would like work for me, but that did not work for me. But it worked for Theo, right? I think didn't Theo Vaughn get some great responses from Keteman? Because he was trying to get sober, is that correct? Or was that he did on some... I don't know exactly if that was his motivation for the Keteman.

I mean, I know that he's done lots of different rehabs in every type of way. And AA and, you know, sex therapy and, you know, hillbilly therapy or whatever, the else feel Von gets up to. But I don't know if that was his motivation for going in. I think he was dealing with some depression. I wanted to say for worked. You know what's interesting to me is like of all the like really big-time drugs that I don't know if it's FDA-approved but like you can go to a doctor and have this done in New York City. Why did they choose ketamine? You would assume other than like Ibergain which is actually getting really good you know

credible anecdotal stories of like recovery from addiction or the rest of it. Like it sounds really effective. I haven't heard bad stories about that yet. For some reason they went with ketamine. I don't know how many stories I've heard about ketamine. I've been to say it's like the big cure. Some kind of like tranquilizer too, isn't it? Like horse tranquilizer or something? And it's essence, I believe. Something to that notion.

I do so. Yeah, I think that it's used for horses often. I'm probably, I mean, I would imagine that they use it for a bunch of different types of animals. I never want to sell depression short, because I know that you and I have had conversations and we get into our moments and everybody gets into their moments.

But I do like it that Joe always comes back. He's like, do you work out? And he was like, yeah. He was like, do cardio. He's like, yeah. And I mean, I've challenged you on a handful of situations to do a lot of extraneous, like cardio vascular situations.

And I still Stress is one of those things that you can't really monetize or conceptualize from a different perspective because nobody knows Exactly what somebody else is going through other than the words they wait. You can't monetize Well, you just throwing fancy words out. Yeah, I figured I throw monetize out, but okay, nice. Yeah, good. All I want to do is I want to see you can't Quantify I'll take that but I want to put you on that stair clamor for 11 minutes and say do a hundred floors and then immediately after that sound depressed. I just don't know that your mind doesn't have the ability to like I just don't know if that, your mind doesn't have the ability to like compartmentalize. I don't think, because your mind's like,

I gotta get through this before I smash my face on the front of this thing. It doesn't have the time to be like, oh, sorrow. And this and that, it's like, it only has a finite amount of space. So I think that if you're doing extraneous cardio and extraneous things, it doesn't allow you the opportunity to come out of that. And I think that if you have those opportunities and you do that stuff that's super hard when you come out on the other side, you're like, oh yeah, didn't have, don't have, don't have. Do you think that,

saying that, do you think that if it should be like a mandatory thing? And I say mandatory, like not obviously you won't go to jail for it. but let's say that you're suffering from depression right so you but also you don't have a lot of energy your motivation is low like that's the hardest time to be able to push yourself really hard but saying that if you got Goggin showed up that day. It was like, okay, I don't care how you feel. You're gonna feel shitty either way because you've been depressed, but we're going for a run.

And then we're doing burpees. And it's gonna be exhausting. And yeah, maybe you get back and you're like, this sucked. This was the worst day I've had in a long time. And it's like, yeah, but how are most of your days? Well, they're pretty bad. And then you just keep doing it over and over again. I wonder if that was, if it like,

I wonder what the percent, like, could you do that to somebody? I don't want to. Make them push like that over and over again for weeks and weeks. And then they still are like still like yeah I'm fucking super depressed this hasn't helped. Do it for five days.

I don't need weeks and weeks. When you're pushing yourself to the limits it don't take much to be like oh that's the limit. I just allowed myself to sit in my thoughts and think of certain things like that's not. Your mind doesn't have that much space and doesn't have that much right you know what I mean like I I truth did Neil talk about working out I know he said maybe he likes did he say he said he jogs that's what Joe and I know Joe didn't really beat him up over it but he was like I think Joe

wants to say that to everybody like if if you're feeling depressed like go do something really really really hard in the sun and then come home and still say I'm depressed I will say that Neil said he goes after doing certain therapies and whatnot he would be like I could see why people wanted to dance. I necessarily didn't want to dance but I could see why they wanted to dance. I necessarily didn't want to dance, but I could see why they wanted to. Oh, he was talking about the eye of Wasker, right? So to his credit, I mean, he was like, I'm feeling full depression. So, I mean, I haven't felt that, but even when you're in the lowest of low, I think it just like kind of, it's like a spiral effect. If you say that I'm in the lowest, so I need to sit here and not do this, that's kind of just like snowball effect, you know?

Yeah, I mean, he did the eye wasca a bunch of times and he said that he hasn't needed to take antidepressants since. That's an important discussion. Does it work every time? Who knows? Probably not. But if it work for him, then and it's not necessarily bad for you, then Why not? If you're struggling or you're in just this like constant cycle of taking antidepressants and other drugs, which You know, there's a place for them to some people get so down and so dark that it's not the worst thing to get

on just to get kind of level. But if you want to get away from it and kind of figure it out, and obviously Neil wasn't jumping into kettlebell workouts, so it's nice to know there's an option because there's not just one way out of these things, right? There's a lot potentially. But it seems like in general, it's about pushing yourself. So to think that an eye wasca trip is not as intense as doing a really fucking hard workout. I mean, it's probably really intense too.

I'll take it. But there's no easy way, right? It's like either all you're pushing yourself, even if you just say to yourself, you know what? I'm going to reduce some stress and I'm going to do sauna four times a week for like 40 minutes and nothing else. I'm not going to do ayahuasca. I'm not going to work out. I'm going to do nothing. Well, good luck staying in that sauna.

That's exactly what went through my mind. It's hard. You have to overcome your mind. And if you can overcome your mind in that scenario, you can overcome your mind in any, because you're like, this is like, and it takes practice with everyone. You and I were just talking about it before the pod. It took me over a year to build up to 20 minutes. And take it as you want, folks.

If you can do it way quicker, good for you. I'm happy for you It just took me that long it was hard. I used to freak out after about 15 minutes But now I go in there and there's I don't care. I set that along and I go and if it's The sauna and my apartment complex can get over 200 degrees. Sometimes that 20 minutes is really brutal. But if I go to a gym that's like between 160 and 180, 20 minutes now is nothing.

I just go in, I can do whatever. I remember it. But it took a long time, it took a long time together. I think it's just your mindset. I don't know, there's a whole lot of other people, but I always walk into those community saunas and I'm like I'm not even till every single one of you guys leaves first No matter what That's not a bad way doing it like that's what goes for my mind also because you can pretty much count on everyone being in there for about five minutes

That's not bad either way. But I love that thought. But it's a good, yeah, it's a good kind of setup. They talked about five MEO, DMT, and Niels' description on it was fascinating. It was the same as what my experience would be. But he hit on a few points I hadn't heard repeated and they were my experience. One was getting like days after the experience, he like got hit again by that feeling and like started tripping. Which really doesn't make a lot of sense. Like that drug still shouldn't be floating around

your system. I mean, DMT breaks down very quickly in the human body, so it's almost like, you know, some sort of echo in your mind of the experience and it does it again, but one night after doing 5MEO, it was like maybe three or four days later, I woke up from a dream, 100% tripping on 5 Emmy again, but it was the feeling I got when I came out of the experience. So it was just like some fractals, like a bit wavy, like a bit unusual,

but he said something that I really haven't talked to anybody about and he was like, I was scared of the dark for like five days Dude after that like echo experience of the five Mio I straight up for real for like three days had to sleep at the light on I was reminded what it felt like to be like a five-year-old again Remember like every kid was scared of the dark when they were young, right? And we forget this. We all were.

No kids were not scared of the dark for a certain amount of time in their lives. And it was pretty young. It was young enough to really not remember. But it almost made me think, like, feel that again. And I didn't realize it was just so unnerving and the 5MEO is such a peculiar super hallucinogenic drug that it takes you to all different places in your mind. So I'm not surprised of that happen but I'm glad that he did because I'd never heard

anybody talk about that before and I thought I was being a huge pussy. Is that legal or is that like underground stuff? I'm not too far. Oh, it's 100% illegal. Yeah, of course. Yeah, dude, because it's super powerful. Of course it's illegal. Dude, they've made...

So obviously, when I say I did it, I really didn't. Does that make you think about just like the thin veneer? Like I, like there's like a thin little layer and all it takes is one puff of something or one thing of something like I'm in a different world. Well, when you've done it, yeah, you think that, but you don't realize. I mean, we feel like we're here and we're doing this thing and this is all there is that's

in right in front of us. That's not really true when you've done those types of drugs. It's like, yeah, your consciousness exists inside this fleshy body right now, but you could smoke a thing and go somewhere else real fast. Like blast off when he was saying that too. It's like, and I mean, that we've been talking a lot about mushrooms. Like, mushrooms grow from the ground. So like, God gave you the mushrooms. Not something like a hippie, but it's like, these are like not super processed things.

These are literally just growing from the ground. I remember being in Hawaii and eating them. And I was like, wow, this like, what does, what does that mean though? There's also mushrooms that a guy you can eat that kill you immediately. All true. So who cares? There's certain things you can eat. There's certain things you can eat. There's certain things you can't. And there's certain chemicals

you can synthesize and make that also get you high. I don't really buy that argument too much, right? I guess you can demonize Coke, crack, smack, meth, and say, well, they have man-made so everything man-made is bad and also pharmaceuticals are but like I don't know if MDMA is it's definitely not as bad for you as eating a poisonous mushroom no I'm on board with MDMA it's a it's a natural I don't know if it's natural is that a synthesized compound too I don't know you would know more than that. Yeah, it doesn't grow in the ground. All I'm saying is there might be a synthetic version of psilocybin that you get extract,

that actually might be a different experience that maybe the, look, a lot of the uncomfortable feeling during mushrooms is, is often seen as very beneficial. Like, you got to feel it, you got to work through it, you got to do this and that. But maybe some of it is just because there's other compounds in there that, you know, grow from the earth that are not necessarily designed to work through your system. And, and maybe they kind of interfere with the message that's coming through. That's a fair assessment. Well, do you think so?

I mean, really? That's the opposite of what you just said. Well, I think it's an opposite. Let's get into it. I think it's an option. I don't know. I mean, I think that that's a possibility. For sure, I think you're gonna try. I don't know. I mean, I think that that's a possibility. For sure, I think you're gonna try and

If you're making a drug, you're gonna want to try and amplify all the parts that are quote unquote like the good parts of it. I guess I don't know. I'm probably simplifying that but Mm-hmm. I mean the two drugs that I do weed and mushrooms are both grow from the ground So I'm just gonna hang on to that narrative and you can suck a bag ofhmm. I mean, the two drugs that I do, weed and mushrooms, are both grow from the ground, so I'm just gonna hang onto that narrative, and you can suck a bag of eggs. I like it. All right, well, that's your opinion, I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm just throwing something different out there, and I'm like, okay, fair enough. I see what you're saying, but I think there is, and even there's some benefit to alcohol too. I mean, it's not everything in moderation, I think, is maybe not cracked smoke, smack. Even though Karl Hart says you can do, yeah, I mean,

you can do meth and still enjoy it. Who know, there's certain things that I would like. Dude, people do Adderall all the time. I've done it a bunch of times. I've done it a bunch of times. Yeah, it's basically meth. You just not smoking it, you just, it's oral meth math and they want to pretend that like you talk to somebody that takes an Adderall prescription and you're just like hey, would you ever do math and they're like no way dude?

That's fucking that's for losers. That's outrageous. You're like well, I mean, okay, but like maybe you do it already a little bit I was like chopping up an Adderall. Yeah, yeah, snorting it. Like, no, it never be a lose like that. It's just so like in focus. I was like, okay, cool. Yeah. Nice.

Just where you're trying to learn. Let's end on the bit of the Bob Lazar stuff, because I love bringing him up. And Neil did for a second. And then they get into like all the workings of it. Actually, maybe this was on the leg. Let's jump out of the leg. That was all over the place.

But didn't Rogan stop the podcast to tell Lex something about Bob Lazar. And look, man, I really respect the fact that Rogan promised Bob that he would keep it a secret and it's good maybe there's a good reason for it I'm sure there is but fuck as a nosy neighbor don't you want to know what that is it's like that story is hard enough to tell and we still can't tell it Where does your mom damn? Where does your mind go whenever that whenever he's gonna tell that little tidbit? What's what's what's your immediate thought?

Dude, I feel like it's good. I feel like it's so clearly true that it had to be kept a secret but also also is like horrifically damaging and that look Bob's been real open and put himself way out there to tell his story. So if it's something that he doesn't think anyone can know but he trusts Rogan with it, I'm like it's gotta be fucked up. Like I'm trying to think what it could be is it this like they came like the little Martian came and hung up

It's then stood right next to him and said hey, I don't think so I think it's probably something more serious like the FBI took him in They questioned him and they actually threatened his life and they said if you say anything about X Y and, and Z and how we delete it or you shit, you know, you're going to jail for 20 years, and if you don't want to, sign this piece of paper, and this is, I mean something, it like, who knows, well the lens could be, and it could be anything. I'm just guessing. But I was thinking to myself, like, what would cause me to do that? And it's like, if you were forced to sign something that in the end just said no matter what, you signed it and if you say you're guilty and you're going to jail. I mean, it's about, it's always about taking away freedom.

I'm in that threat. I'm with you on that, but how much context is this signature hold at this point in time? Dude, it's the government, bro you sign it you said it good luck Yeah Seems like people sign things all the time don't sign anything folks. I mean I'm just trying to understand how much validity goes into oh you you wrote something in ink Well, dude, it's not about you and what you think. It's law. Well, yeah.

The law believes that. They will say, yeah, that's a confession. Well, you know, you're admitting the truth. Like, you wouldn't put your name on it if you didn't believe it, and then you broke that. So now you're fucked. Well, if he was like, I mean, that's what contracts are. All contracts.

How many contracts are signed with it? You and I could have a contract for this podcast where I say to you, everything's fine. We just keep doing it. But if you say the word, but once on a podcast, then you've broken the terms of this and it is ridiculous as that sounds. That would be enough. In a court, I'd be like, look, I have to sue Garrett. He's signed this. He

said, but all buts too many times. We got to take him out. Yeah, that's a, that's a weird thing to not interpret. And that's what I think, I's a weird thing to not interpret. And that's what I think we're gonna get to that point where you can start interpreting things for face value and there doesn't have to be a dumb across the board law for anything. It's gonna be, we're got to a point now, we're enlightened enough to like take everything and all the details in. Is that you told me? Yeah, but also hold on.

How do you hold anybody accountable to a contract if they can't sign something? What are you saying? We're going to get to a future where nobody's responsible for anything. I mean, yeah, contracts and signing confessions and all the rest of it. They're inherently problematic.

Because you can get over your head, you can understand it and you're fucked. But also if you're trying to like build a building or start a company and you need some other people to like show up and do that thing, you got to have these, right? So it's like what this says on this paper, everyone agrees to the thing that it says and that's where you sign it. So you think that's what all there's legal reparations? So that's what you think. I mean, it's good and bad.

So that's where Bob's at in his situation where he's like, all right, well, they told me if I said any of this shit, I'm going to be locked up. Dude, I don't, dude, I have no idea. I just gave the example of that. No, I'm saying that that makes sense. Because that's what I would think. Let's say, let's throw another example out there It could be that who fucking knows he was actually visited by aliens and they were like if you tell this next bit to the general

population the whole world goes insane. So he's like, I'm just gonna tell Joe It could be a lot of different and not maybe Joseph's like what do you think it is? I know I mean I'm thinking about that moment and if you're a whistleblower, like, look at what Snowden's gone through, look what Assange has gone through. And not that you have to be one of these like profound individuals, because he's like, I just don't want to trade my life for this piece of this little nugget of information. But if that's the case, man, if there's a nugget of information, but if that's the case, man if there's a nugget of information that Joseph's hanging on to or that he's hanging on to that would I don't know if it benefit

the bigger If one person asks the suffer it's easy for me to say, but it's like you would like to think that people are virtuous in that moment Like if I have to suffer for the best I Who knows I don't know I get I get it right, it's very heroic, but let's look at Julian Assange and Snowden. Julian Assange right now, I think is in the Ecuadorian fucking, shit, what are those places called?

The... Hostel? No, not a hostel, it's like the government thing and embassy embassy is in the embassy in london can't leave right who knows what that's what you got snowden stuck in russia i mean think of the sacrifice that we're asking these people

and you have to think also, all right, is this little bit of information that Bob Lazar is leaving out? Is it that critical to the whole dialogue? Because if it's not, and it's the one thing that makes him have to flee the country, it's like, no, I don't want this guy to have to do that. Forget about that.

That's sad. Keep it quiet. Have you ever had, has Joe ever edited anything on the show ever? I think that's the first time I've ever seen him edit anything. Well, he stops to take a piss. Right, but often. You know, I mean, no, as far as an inference. But cut things out.

From an information standpoint. I don't think so. I don't think that's ever happened. He was just having a moment with Leck. But he probably promised Bob. This isn't like a choice wet where he would love to tell us. I mean, he told Lex and he knows. So how big of a secret is?

It's like enough of a secret. But it might not be helpful to like throw out to everyone in the world, especially if it's not anything close to the story we're telling. And it actually sounds crazy what happens if it sounds crazy it's gonna make Bob look nuts and people like to discredit him anyway, so maybe it's not about that It's about like making him not look crazy even if it is Something that these guys believe to be right. That's a fair assumption. That's a good way to look at it. it is something that these guys believe to be true.

That's a fair assumption. That's a good way to look at it. I agree with that. I mean, Joe talked to him, right? So Joe probably has a way different feeling than we do as listeners. So therefore, if he's like, listen, I trust him a lot. I really do. I've talked to him privately. I've gone to dinner with him. I do trust him. Also, he's told me some shit that's so insane that if I said that the 12 million people worldwide, they would be like, what Bob Lazar is clearly out of his mind. So it might be a carefully edited bit of something. Don't get me wrong. I don't like it because I want to hear it all, but I'm just being a nosy bitch. I don't want to relate it back to what Neil said back

and to that one, but he was like, you could tell me anything at this point, and I would at least table it. Like I'd spitball it, and at least alternate universes, different feelings being possessed, all these different things, like at least I'd think about it, like the idea that it seems like so naive and just so like callous to be like, nope, couldn't happen. So it's like anything is a possibility now, especially. Yeah. I mean, you do high level with psychedelics and yeah, at least for a while after doing them. You like yeah anything's possible time space Everything you whatever aliens. I'm in lizard people probably. I don't think that that's a man You don't you don't know which way is all but it but that's mostly because you're confused for a while

I don't know yeah, but life life will show you different perspectives from a variety of ways especially like If life will show you different perspectives from a variety of ways, especially like fear and just catastrophic trauma, it definitely impacts your perspective on how you see things and how far you'll draw that line in the sand of what's real, what's not, and what you'll allow your mind to do, because I think your mind has a way of rebounding to a lot of those situations in it it like protects itself in certain ways too like with certain thoughts and certain I don't know I think it's you give me an example of what you're saying I just feel like it'd be an interesting is from a trauma standpoint I think that you're your your mind and you're the way you deal with different stuff

especially for me like I out this I've said it to you. It's like Given the circumstances that I've gone through I always have in the back of my mind like do your worst I always think that do your worst do your worst do your worst And I'll figure out a way to be like resilient to it I don't know if that's necessarily the best way to approach things, but like I have a tendency of looking at life from that perspective. Like what else can you do?

You know? Well, it's not really an example. I know, well, it sounds more like a self-help, but it's pretty vague. Well, I mean, so what you were just saying, what's it like an active life example of the how, like life giving you experiences, you know, obviously everyone goes through stress,

everyone goes through anxiety, everyone goes through good moments, and it almost seems like what you do with that experience is the most thing not the fact you went through. I don't want to say it from a vague standpoint. The only thing I can say is from a language standpoint. I think that if you approach life that everything is happening for a reason and it's not I mean this is going to sound like a self-help and it's not happening to you. It's happening for you. That might be a different. I think it's happening for you that might be a different I think it's all about the approach That does fair enough. We're gonna start calling you self-help or Sarah. I don't know I don't know

I don't know how I can know real world exactly just Philosophy that I read somewhere You just got to do it bro. It's like Nike just do it. Well, I'm like did you just watch a Nike commercial? I mean Yeah, I did I don't know what I don't know if I go right down on a piece of paper This is how to do it. I think that the language dude think of your whole life You've had millions of examples of very difficult shit that you got over right? And I just said could you give me an example that relates? Of how you have it probably would not be a positive one because I think that a lot of that stuff come like would lean towards depression like and

and like if you're focusing on those situations to make you Stronger a lot of the time they take you down a hole, but I feel like I'm you you make it sound like self-help But I think that if you look at those situations and you try and be resilient because of them, as opposed to making them an excuse for why you can go down a certain road. Yeah, I mean true, but it also sounds like a cop out because you won't give any examples.

Well, that's the... All Alright, we're swing back around. We're swing back around. We're swing back around. We're swing back around. Gen Socky. Ssh. Elon buying Twitter. We've talked about it before.

We have to go over shit multiple times. That's the world we live in. Like, this is Rogan talk to, like like they're going about it. How interesting. I wanted to hear Lex's opinion on this. I mean, number one, it's a ball-ass move, right? I mean, but then this whole bots thing, I don't know the ins and outs of this, but I know Elon is like, hey, wait a second, there's a shitload of bots here. And then all of a sudden, all Rogan knows

is his numbers go up like a million, you know? Maybe that algorithm did change. I didn't think what Rogan said about that was unreasonable. I mean, he's just, he doesn't know the algorithms, he's just guessing. But, you know, also remember, he's been in the being famous and making your self-famous world for a long time.

And to be fair, Rogan has done a very good job of this, right? He had Red Bam following him around with a camera before people were doing shit like that. It was like, let's get this on film so people can get to know who I am. And then he jumps into podcasts. I don't know if he was having fun with it all, but he was also playing around, like seeing what could do it.

What could get those numbers up? What could get faces on him? Because he knew then potentially had, hopefully he had a message that was important. Right. When those numbers jump, you got to wonder what that means. And then also, how many fucking bots are on this thing? And also, once again, I'm stupid, what's a bot? It's just a computer program that pretends to post things.

Imagine if like 40% of Twitter was just robots talking to each other. Not even a- What the fuck? What, I mean, why would that make- Why would that be crazy compared to what Twitter actually is? You know? That doesn't seem outside of the room at all.

No, I mean, I'm inclined to believe it. I just want to know what it is, right? So what do we do when we get rid of those? You know, and maybe all these like angry trolls on Twitter that make it like this toxic place, and I don't have a lot of experience or almost any with Twitter, but I've heard people talk about how gross it is.

Imagine if most of that is robots winding up these nerds that then like finding the angry people, making them twice as angry, and then spurring that on, and it becomes like most of the dialogue. How hard would that be? That seems like so easy. It seems very reasonable, right? It seems like you could do it on a night, like you could do it in an hour. Especially when you're away.

Well, what does that mean though? What does that mean to Twitter if Elon is able to clean that up? Like if he gets rid of that, they figure out the bots, they get rid of them, and then I mean, is Twitter gonna be like a thumb place to be? Like I love the idea of Elon buying it. I'm not super pumped to get on there, and I know this respect to him, but it's still Twitter. I've never been that inspired to get on. I've know this respect to him but it's still Twitter. I've never been that inspired to get on that. I've tried. I don't know how it's going to become like a more positive place that I want to add to my life. I'm still unsure of that story. Hopefully the goal is to have a place of honest discourse. I would hope, I would hope that's the approach.

Like if there's not the bots involved, I don't know. But what does that mean? What does honest discourse mean? Yeah, you're right. And when I was thinking about saying that, still people are gonna be skewed to see. I don't know, it's interesting. People are always gonna go to people

that agree with them too. So you're gonna find what you're looking for. I don't know. That's true. You know? That's true. Let's end with Lex's drunk story. Now we all saw the post on Rogan's Instagram.

It's one of the best ones he ever made, I think, just showing Lex like half past out. Getting more of the backstory of this was really fun. The organs. But that's what I like about Lex is, you know, obviously he's a nerd, right? But getting a, becoming a great interviewer, no doubt, talking to all sorts of people that you don't even get on Rogan like Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, that's something. I'm not saying that Rogan couldn't get him, but it hasn't happened.

Fascinating. He breaks things down in phenomenal ways, but he also can get into it and party with these guys and like live with it. You know, he's not trying to pretend to be something else, right? Because there's probably a lot of pressure in the scientific AI, MIT world of PhDs, where it's like, well, don't act like a fool because nobody respects you. And Lex is like, hey, I'm just doing this journey. I'm out there. I'm having fun. I like it that he's always seeking the truth to his benefit.

He was even saying, he was like, I think he interviewed Putin, but he's also saying he's like, I'd interview Hitler during that. He's like, I just want to get perspective of why what makes people do certain things. I think as you're always like seeking the truth and you're always seeking that, and you go from that spot, you can't really lose. And I think he you're always like seeking the truth and you're always seeking that and you go from that spot You can't really lose and I think he's got that Well hold on one thing I would say Deluxe is like after hearing him on this pod

maybe Look, I know Ukraine Russia think for him hits home, and it's important to feel those things, right? It is. But he's not going to be as useful to himself and us when he's speaking his pods and doing his work. If he's constantly depressed, in the sense of like that overwhelming stress of feeling like such an important part of this movement. He can do good out there potentially, right? Maybe he's in a position where he can kind of bring people together and bring some sense of this, but it doesn't have to be at the cost of his psyche and how he feels. And he, he seemed pretty bummed out. This was the most depressed legs I've ever heard. And I'm not disrespecting him at all. And I'm not saying he did anything wrong.

I'm sure I wouldn't be able to handle it at all. That's it. You know, he's getting very famous, very quick, and he's in a unique situation to where, because he speaks these other languages and knows people out there, he kind of is a bit of a conduit to the news that we get here. I just wish that it didn't, you know, it wasn't bombing him out. I agree. I think he embraces the fact that Joe has always been a dude that he could turn to. Like, I don't know if he has a whole lot of those guys in his life. So I think that it's crazy that Joe is that mentor, but that's kind of the case.

Not a bad mentor. Oh, sir. Telling you that, Monch. Oh, sir. No, the worst guy you could have in your corner. Like helping you. We got number, love for Lex. Yeah, great guy.

Good poem at the end, too. Sure. For sure. Well, all right, guys, we went over a bit longer today about, you know, a couple of us. good poem at the end too. for sure. for sure. well alright guys, we went over a bit longer today about you know, a couple of us. we just rant and that's how it goes. thank you always for tuning in and supporting us. I have a great week and we'll see you next week.

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