Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 277 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Ryan Holiday Et al.

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

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All right, so save our parks volume 4 They are 0 for 1 for actually saving parks, but 4. They are 0 for 1 for actually saving parks, but Shane Gillis, Mark Norman and Erie Schaffer are on form in this episode. I have no idea why Erie decided that it was a good idea to challenge Shane Gillis to a drinking competition that seems like a terrible plan, and it really kind of unraveled into that but it was hilarious. Yeah, I feel like we should probably chug some bud lights right now but I don't have any so maybe not. Was it it wasn't bud light that they were um shotgun? Oh absolutely. It wasn't Bud Light that they were shotgun. I mean, it was absolutely actual video. It makes sense.

It was absolutely the way it was like, if it was a white claw or something easier. Kind of, you know, I'm proud of Mark Norman. It sounded like he drank a little bit more than usual. He was doing his best, but obviously kept his composure and had some ridiculous one-liners. The whole, his like, word association game was almost too much to deal with. Unbelievable.

Yeah, he was killing it. I mean, look, you get those type of guys together that have been friends for what? 10, 20 years? I mean, how long have those guys known each other? They obviously are homies from way back. At least a decade. I know that aries known Joe for quite a bit longer But yeah, they're all becoming very close friends The best

One line of for me was was the Jack reach a comment What was axon? What was that one? We just so many good ones. I don't know He was just like something about reaching around, a reach around. I'm not sure. Excellent. Hey man. Yeah. I just, I mean, yeah. What was it? I just love $5,000 bet. I thought it was only a thousand bucks. What did it, did it end up being five? I don't know. I don't even know how serious it was. I mean, obviously, Erie was never going to win. So it might as well be a million. Yeah, that was a tough challenge. I mean, look, I always love it when you get a group of guys together and you drink a little, you're having some fun. It was nice to see Joe kind of open up and be himself and let loose a little bit, you know, he doesn't always do that.

He's always talking about discipline and, you know, he's your own. He's, he's, he's an important guy. It's nice to see him get a little tuned up. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, in a way, still, you still see what he would be like to do that with. Like he's never the most messed up. He's like still keeping it together, making sure people are on track, while a few others just kind of go off the rails. And obviously Shane Gillen, he seemed to like sober up as the pod went on.

He was like more sober at the end in the weirdest way. The guy's an animal. Did you, I had a couple notes here before I forget. I had, um, I didn't realize that there were these private browsers. Have you heard of this? This blaze and duck duck go. Oh, yeah. Joe, Joe talks about duck duck go a lot. I don't think I've ever even used them though. I feel like I need to use them because lately I've been talking about pools for my kid and all of a sudden it's like all this little kid shit's coming up on my Facebook. It's, you know, we've got Alexa in here so Alexa is listening to our conversations every day.

Who knows what's going to come up next? Oh, you're getting paranoid. I don't know if I'm paranoid. It's just nice to know that there's a browser out there that would block you from at least supposedly block you from, you know, people hearing it, listening into your conversation. I mean, just... I don't think that they're listening, dude. I think that it's shit you type in your phone or the in-go Yeah, but dude and you people just forget that they type it in and then it shows out and it's actually stuff you were talking about so

What about what about air what about airplane flights though? What about you know picking flights on kayak or Google flights and then all of a sudden you go back the next day didn't pick't pick up your flight and then it's like double the price. Is that happened to you? Yeah, but that's the same as I just said that you typed it in. They know you want it. They save that and then they add 50 bucks. Yeah, but doesn't duck, duck, go stop that from happening, isn't that the point? I, they probably do, but I'm not 100% sure that even happens to be honest like I think sometimes it seems like it does But it might just be that you didn't go back to the flight for a week and now the prices have changed

I don't know buddy seems a little fishy, but All right, you can download and then it's free give it a shot see what you think You can do whatever you want. Talking about conspiracy theories, they got into the Oklahoma City bomb thing. What do you remember of that whole event? Because when did that even happen? Was that the early 80s? No, it was early 90s. It was early 90s. You was we were old enough to remember I mean I we were probably what like 10 Yeah, but I lived in England. It wasn't the same story. It was here That's why I'm wondering what what it felt like when you live through that I Mean I remember seeing it on the news that the weird thing is I I remember it being close to the first Iraq war as well when George Bush

senior was our commander in chief, unfortunately. And yeah, I remember that because my uncle was actually in Kuwait. So I do remember that pretty specifically. But the Oklahoma bombing I think was right around that time And I just remember seeing it on TV, you know like a bunch of explosions. It was like a fertilizer plant, right? No, I think that it was a fertilizer bomb that they took to like a government building and then blew up I have to build it but but but these guys were saying that maybe it wasn't a fertilizer bomb, right? That was the conspiracy, is that that that was probably a lie? Is that what they were saying?

I think so. Yeah. I mean, I, what do I know about those types of bombs? But Joe said he spoke to a bomb expert and they, that guy said, it's very unlikely that a bomb made of that stuff could blow so much of a building up. But then it's like, okay, but what the hell does that mean, man? That they put another bomb in there? Well... It's like... Were they saying that he was part of the MK Ultra?

Is that how the whole MK Ultra conversation got started? Yeah, supposedly he was... I don't know if it was the MK Ultra one. I it was like the Harvard LSD Trials which were different which Kaczynski was definitely had Well, he is the Uniboma Right, so Kaczynski was part of the Harvard thing which is the same as MK Ultra It was it just in a different lab, right? I mean, it's a similar thing. I know. I think.

Well, it's similar, but MK Ultra was like the CIA project. I don't know if they're related. Do you know that they're related? I don't know enough about those two things. Honestly. I think they're separate LSD trials. Yeah, I just know that it's testing subjects using Lysurgic acid to the thetamine or however you pronounce it. But yeah, it's using LSD on subjects to see if they can get them, I think originally they were trying

to create a truth serum was the original thought, right? It's something like that, yeah. And clearly that clearly didn't. Mine control. Where I mean, people are just laughing their asses off and running around telling them everybody how much they love each other Yeah, I wonder what the process is to like doing a lot of acid and then ending up wanting to like blow up a building That seems like a big stretch. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess if you give

Somebody enough of any kind of drug it just depends. I mean who knows don't know. I guess if you give somebody enough of any kind of drug, it just depends. I mean, who knows how much he was taking. I don't know, man. It's crazy to think. I mean, they were talking about Charles Manson. There was all sorts of conspiracies. They were talking about, you know, Charles being a part of a similar thing. Was that in Harvard? Was that at Harvard as well? a similar thing, was that in Harvard? Was that at Harvard as well? No, he's, that was the MK Ultra one. They think he's connected to the CIA thing.

I still gotta read that book that Joe keeps talking about. Me too. That, yeah, it sounds like, I mean, the guy obviously did his research. What was it, like 25 years of researching the book? And it's all about Manson and the CIA and giving people acid and that just sounds so crazy. It's like, what are you doing guys?

Yeah, I don't understand it. I mean, what was the point? What was the point? I mean, were they just trying to see what LSD would do to people's brains so that they could like fuck with other prisoners when we had prisoners of war was like is that why would they would do it? I don't really get it Who knows I mean, you know, this is the 70s So they're trying to figure out any way they can to like get one up on Things and you know their technology back then was kind of sloppy so it was not so many they were just trying out I mean again technically everything is

like approved right through the government but I've got a feeling these agencies like the CIA and everything I don't know what kind of checks and balances there are and then they're kind of like free agents to just take money and go figure shit out and hope they can hide it if it all goes wrong. Yeah, I mean, did you read any of those jackal books? I can't think of the author right now, but how to be a jackal or, you know, okay. Anyways, it was a former CIA agent

and he wrote a couple books. I believe it was called to be a jackal. Anyway, similar stuff where like the CIA is completely corrupt, they're doing drug runs, they're going into Venezuela and you know, training bombs for Coke and I mean all sorts of shit, you've heard it. Yeah, yeah, I know some of that stuff for sure. I mean it's just what, it's almost like some of those things you don't even want to know You really don't yeah, just a say it would be just oh

Of course I would it will just freak you out and you wouldn't trust the government at all. I mean, maybe that's why cuz in ski went a law dude. There you go Mm-hmm Yeah, it's probably something like that Yeah, it's probably something like that. Oh, they watched that video of that cop get attacked by the dude with a hatchet Did you actually see that video? I didn't zoom in on it now, but I heard him laughing like going Shit when it was happening. Did you watch it? Yeah, it's such a wacky video. It's like crazy the guy stops and like doesn't quite stop his call that well So the cop like has a second to be like all right something weird is happening here And that's kind of how I guess he was able to prepare a little bit because he didn't catch him

Massively off guard like he did a bit and luckily for him and his training or just however he did it He was able to kind of position himself, but man. He didn't have a lot of time. He could have One wrong step one wrong move, and this guy would have been on him. And it was just a dude like stopping his car in a traffic stop running at a cop with a hatchet. Crazy. What was the other thing they showed?

I can't remember if it was before after what you just mentioned with the hatchet, but it was like the power plant that got targeted. Oh yeah, like a bunch of what sounds like pretty highly trained individuals went and fucked up a power plant. Right. And it just, it goes to show how, what was Joe talking about how he couldn't sleep the night before this pod because he was thinking about weird shit like what would you know what would screw up the human race quickly

you know the fastest thing that would screw us up is just getting getting rid of all electricity. Yeah he had jockic so I kept him up because he was sweaty and then because he's like uncomfortable and't sleep, his mind immediately goes to how quickly the fabric of society will fall the pieces, which I think in different ways we all kind of do though, right? We all kind of sit there and start, if you can't sleep, you usually do end up worrying about stuff that you have very little control over and you're like adding worry to problems that aren't even that big of a deal, but it just happens, you know, because you're

kind of irritated and you can't sleep. Yeah. But he makes some good points. It's like if COVID showed us anything or like the big storm they had down in Texas, you know, Joe gives the example like, oh, the power goes out for a week. Dude, if the power went out for a week, people would start to fall the pieces pretty quickly. Yeah, no. No, it's just reason more. It just would happen. And the people you would notice that don't

are people that really kind of are more off the grid and isolated and have work around. But to even say, oh, the answer is a bunch of generators, it's like, well, if the power's out, dude, you're going to run out of fuel real fast, too. Like all of that shit's going to happen. Yeah, it's definitely scary to think about. It reminds me of, you know, if we ran, you know, the rubber trees, what are those in like qualalumpor or something in the Pacific somewhere. Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka has a lot of rubber. So if those trees were to get diseased, have you heard this? Like if those trees were to get diseased, we would be out of rubber and it would completely crash the entire aeroplane industry, just gone. Really? Yeah, because they have to have real rubber. You cannot make a synthetic rubber that is strong enough for airplanes It's it's absolutely impossible from from what this documentary was talking about yeah, so if like those rubber trees were to get some sort of

You know bug or disease it it reminded me of that because what are you what are you gonna do? I mean people need to travel Yeah, I mean it people need to travel. Yeah. I mean, there would be a bunch of things like that. I mean, when you don't have an alternative and you're relying on nature and nature and if it's very specific to like just one type of tree that could get infected, I mean, yeah, we could be in big trouble.

I mean, we almost are right with what's going on with wheat and Ukraine and that you know export of Wheat I like I didn't know that so much wheat came from one place. It's like we really need to be spreading out all these resources because It starts to show what happens if one place closes down and we're like I'm sorry guys This is where we get all the hats from. But, and now we're like, we have no hats, no hats.

Are they, are they just saying that though? I mean, I feel like when, when they say the Putin price hike on the gas and this and that, I, there's more to it than just Putin. Okay, that's just an excuse in my mind for corporations to jack a bunch of shit up. I mean, probably who, who knows what there is to light right? It's like yeah, we're doing our best trying to figure this out, but that's why we shotgun Bud lights boy It's why you got a shotgun of Bud light at least every now and again and on special occasions like this pod We really should have saved the one for it at a respect

special occasions like this pod. We really should have saved the one for it at a respect. It was great that Jamie joined in with that and Shogun to be a I don't remember him ever doing that in the podcast. I had never seen it would ledge. Yeah ledge and then yeah and finishing up just again with Ari puking. Pretty much his guts out lesson worth worth a watch Yeah, a real mess a real mess and he didn't listen to Rogan at all Rogan was like don't throw up in here. He's like no, I won't instill that like he just I love him because he just doesn't give a shit But pull Rogan he was like dammit those poor guys this is poor guys guys would be hung over for freaking six days after that one. No doubt. All right, let's jump over to Mike Judge. First off, you got to love the like resume of movies that he's done.

The fact that he even brought us Beavis and a butthead. And I don't know if you remember like back in the day. I mean, I was living in brought us Beavis and a butthead. And I don't know if you remember, like, back in the day, I mean, I was living in England when Beavis and a butt came out, but it really was, like, ridiculously revolutionary. I think the show started out where it was them watching music videos, and then they would kind of, like, talk about it in between, but they were always good music

videos, and it kind of expanded into its own episodes and own series, but it was just such a wild show. Dude, I have fond memories of Beavis and Butthead, both. Corn Holyo was Beavis and then who was Butthead? I am the Corn Holyo was Beavis. Butthead was what? Something about... No. I can't remember what Butthead's nickname was,

because Beavis was, I am the Corn Holyo. Oh, he's the little character. I have TP for a Me Bunghole. Such a... And the other guy just like chucked out a lot. They were just ridiculous. Yeah, he just chucked out a lot. He was brilliant.

It was brilliant. And we all kind of knew people like that too, in a way. We're like, yeah, you're basically beavers about it. I mean, at least at your high school, you knew a couple of people, that you were like, yeah, that's them. For sure. I mean, it was, it was stupid humor, man,

but it worked and it was new. It was fresh, you know, it was a cartoon. And people love cartoons. You can say whatever you want with a cartoon, which is great. Look at South Park. South Park is insane. And Beavis and Biod was, was that before South Park?

Or was right around the same time, I can't remember. No, it was before. Yeah, it was before. I think South Park was like 97. Beavis and B it was around in the early Yeah, about that so it kind of got in that early. I mean you can you can just get away with murder on Car tunes because it's it's not real people so anything can happen to them and also next week You can just bring them back fine.

Like none of the plot needs the line up. You can just go nuts with it. Well they said that. How many times did they kill Kenny and nobody was ever like, hey, that doesn't make sense. So they said the new movie Beavis and Butt had two just came out, right? Yesterday?

What's they? Just came out. No, a few days ago on June 24th. So we're gonna have to go watch that Paramount Plus So yeah, that's pretty radical. I'm glad he got the rights to it back It sounded like Mike judge figured out a way to get 50% of beevison but head back after basically selling the whole thing basically selling the whole thing. It just seems like MTV was like such a shit show to work with early on. Well, what did he say?

He was going to be a pantheon. 18,000 bucks or something he sold it for and you know, he was young, he didn't know any better, but that's crazy. Yeah, but I mean when you're super broke, maybe 18,000 bucks is a good deal. Sure, that can change lives. And, you know, what was this in the early 90s? I mean, what would that be, the equivalent of maybe like 50 grand? That could do a lot for a completely broke artist and director.

True, I mean, what he was probably in his 20s at that point, right? Oh, no doubt, yeah. Oh, no. Dude, but like office space, I mean, to me office space is one of the top 10 movies of all time. It's so good. It's so good. I wish you would have talked about it more. I was like, curious to see here. Honestly, yeah. He just said it was difficult.

It was hard to make low budget, like a real struggle. If you guys haven't seen that, It was difficult, it was hard to make low budget, like a real struggle. If you guys haven't seen that, to definitely go and watch Office space. I mean, it's so fucking good. And then idioticity is equally as good in its own way. I mean, I wouldn't say it's, it's, it's, they're different, right? They're too different. I don't even know if they compare.

I mean, they're both hilarious, but in my mind, dude, like office space just like hits a quarter with me more because I, I just know what it's like to be in an office and how much it sucks and he just, he just fucking crushes every little skit that they do. I mean, it's just perfect when they're like smashing the printer and it's like damn mother fuck a damn mother fuck a kill so good and he's

like driving to work he's driving to work and listening to fucking rap and he like pulls up to some like some dude and rolls up the window and turns down the the music because he's all scared because he's like this dorky white dude listening to fucking gangster rap. I mean it definitely highlights how shitty life can be when you work in a cubicle job. I mean it does it better than anything else. It's like something we all knew, you know, but nobody ever talked about and it was kind of like the revenge of that It's like if one day you just went in and were like I am sick of this life I don't even care anymore. I'm just doing whatever I want and because it's corporate too It's like they couldn't just fire him right away

They even started to like actually like him and respect him and want to know his views on things He like inadvertently it became like a bit of a leader of the office. Because he didn't give a fuck. It was great. Yeah, they were like, wow, you seem pretty confident. We want to know how you do this, what you're thinking. He tapped into some fun stuff on that movie, for sure. Yeah, for sure, man.

I was definitely confident. I don't remember they talked about that more, but yeah, we'll go ahead. No, but I don't remember it they talked about that more but yeah, go ahead No, but I don't I don't remember a lot of idiocracy. I remember enjoying it, but I just don't a hundred percent Remember like a ton of the I mean the plot to it other than like the world was all fucked up And he went into the future and they had like ridiculous shit like up and he went into the future. They had a ridiculous shit. Instead of water out of the fountains, it was like Gatorade or energy power or something.

Yeah, it was Gatorade for sure. I think the biggest thing, well at least what Joe was going over with Mike Judge was talking about, which is a scary thought, because I think it's already happening, is that smart people aren't procreating. And so you got all these dumb mother fuckers that are having like six, seven, eight kids, with no education and then like, these super smart, you know,

more educated individuals are deciding not to have children. And that, I think that's kind of the basis behind idiocracy, that's kind of the basis behind idiocracy. That's kind of the the thought behind it is that we are moving towards that as we speak. I mean it's entirely possible but at the same point maybe that's kind of always how it's been you know because people maybe even weigh in the past. Well maybe people weigh in the past, well maybe people weigh in the past, like they get busy, they get successful, they start working really hard,

and they just don't have the time for kids. I mean, obviously there was less contraception in the past, so people would just pop in them out whenever they pop them out, but you could imagine that there could be like a similar process that happens. I mean, I'm going to call people like think about, well, but think about people that are like more connected to politics of the past. They have a, this is before like newspapers, for the internet, before a lot of information is traveling. And if they're well connected right, they're like the mayor of a town or they're just in business or politically connected. They have a big like a

broader idea of kind of what's going on nationally and globally just through their network of people they know and life is hard. Maybe there's difficult times in their thinking you know what this really isn't the time to be doing it but if you just live in like a smaller village, you're a farmer, you need a bunch of people to work on your farm, you're like, right, we got to pop out kids, that's number one. So we have workers, and we don't really know what the hell is going on around us. But we seem to have just about enough food, so let's keep making more kids. Well, there you go, buddy.

You have summed up the reason why our nation is getting dumber and dumber. Thank you Are we sure that's happening now? I don't know if people get dumb. I Don't know if people are getting dumber, but you know I Think sometimes politics are going backwards, but you know idiocracy if you watch the movie I mean similar things are happening in 2022 and that's a scary thought. You know, like, it's a scary thought to think,

you know, that people would be stoked about Gatorade coming out of the drinking phones. And I think a lot of people would be stoked about that right now. Oh, dude, talking about that, I just saw this new release drink, and I don't know if you've seen it. Mountain Dew is coming out with an alcoholic version, and then like selling it. How many carbs in that, bad boy? It actually said zero sugars, so it's like a white clots, like zero calorie, but it's obviously mountain dew infused,

which God knows what kind of chemicals they're using. And I think they were like 5%. Wow. Well, you've seen those kids in the South with all their teeth missing because they drink mountain dew every day. You've seen some of those reality shows. Speaking of MTV, I think it was on MTV back in the day. Oh, that was the actual show. Who knows, but we'll have to try some.

We'll bring some. Don't pick on the South, bro. Bring some people. The dude. Alright, we're trying out. We're shotgun one, just to see what it does. See how much energy we get. So what else did you get? What else did you get from Mr. Mike Judge? I was hoping for more out of Mike because he's a hilarious dude. Yeah, he's not like the most kind of exciting and inspiring podcaster. I mean, you want to be a fan of him in order to kind of sit through the whole conversation, which happens. I mean, it's probably the same with a lot of our podcasts. I mean, it's just how it is. But yeah, he was, he had his stories, but he, I don't know, maybe he just didn't seem

like he was all that kind of pumped to be there Or maybe that's just how he always is. I know I've heard him on Rogan before. I don't remember how he was But yeah, he just kind of it's like a very calm and chill conversation And I think Joe kind of had to work hard to pull out some interesting points from him Yeah, yeah, I mean I wanted to hear a little bit more about the movies he's done and the movie he currently just put out, that would have been sweet. I mean they talked about pigs for a while. That was cool, learning about pigs, like what did it say after two months?

If you take a domestic pig and let it go run free in the wild after two months it basically starts becoming a bore You that's so weird that was crazy Yeah, like what the fuck you know everything did that Like your dog runs away for a couple of months and like changes color and grows homes It just becomes a wall what And you just like, what? I know, right? I'll be dope actually. Yeah. I'll be dope.

All right, let's rock on over to Ryan Holiday. This guy, I know you've read his books, or at least one of them. I have one of them. I think the same one, right? The ego. What's the ego? The ego is the enemy. I came out in, I think, like, 2017 twenty seventeen great book I would definitely recommend that book and now after listening

to him I am definitely going to get a few more of his books I didn't realize he had written so many dude that what a smart dude for what he's like thirty five dude he was excellent on this part of us I mean you I haven't heard him on other things, but you can tell that it's not just about House Marty as it's like well spoken. He had examples almost all the time. Anytime Joe contradicted him, which he got him a couple of times with, you know, oh, that doesn't quite line up with me, but he took it well. He didn't try and defend it. He was just like, oh, yeah, no, that's, yeah, that doesn't quite line up with me, but he took it well. He didn't try and defend it.

He was just like, oh, yeah, no, that's, yeah. That kind of makes sense. And then he would just go into whatever his point was as well. Yeah, totally. Good listener. Good listener and speaker. I liked him. I liked him a lot.

He was excellent. And great, I mean, he's the kind of person I could listen to a bunch. I could imagine like him, you know, I often think of that. People do those speaking tours, you know, like Jordan Peterson would do them and like Ben Shapiro goes around and does it. And I often wonder like, who of those people if they came to town would I care to go see this?

Not really my cup of tea anyway. It's not like Ted Ted Ted talks could be in town and I probably wouldn't go to him. I just feel like it would be pretty stuffy. A lot of waiting around and just I wouldn't care that much. But he's someone I would go listen to. I'd be curious to hear what he had to say and I just like his style of Communication it was pretty good. He didn't sound like a false You know self-help guru guy to me

No, not at all. I mean, I think he you know being the stoic. I mean, he obviously is obsessed with you know Marcus Aralius and Epic Epic Titus all these old, you know, Marcus Aurelius and Epic Titus, all these old, you know, older, Phyllis, kind of Phyllisophical, but also, you know, I mean, rulers at the time, emperors, right? I mean, Marcus Aurelius was an emperor, but he was a very different kind of emperor. I was really interested in hearing about how much different Marcus Aralius was compared to other emperors of that time, and if not of all time. Yeah, you know, it just seems so unusual to me that somebody with all that power could be so introspective. I

wonder if there was a point where he's like, okay I'm taking over from this other guy. That guy completely abused all of his power and was a complete mass and did horrible things and thought that it was okay and then they kind of trapped themselves because like once you become pretty terrible it's probably hard to change it. And and somehow he steps into that role and says no I'm gonna be kind of hard-lined in the other direction. It's not to say you didn't have fun and like allow that power to give him luxuries and other things but he it seems like he was like very careful. and other things, but it seems like he was very careful about how he oriented himself in that space. And other than the motivation of ultimately, it's the right thing to do and will probably

result in you behaving the best possible way you could, I don't know what the motivation would be. It's almost like catching the train instead of taking a private jet somewhere. You know, when you see those videos of like counter-reves on the underground and on the tube in New York and like gives up his seat for people and you're like, why doesn't he have like a limo driving him around? Because Keanu just chooses not to. He's not fucking awesome. I would say, I mean, this is my personal opinion here, but just like Abraham Lincoln, they talked about Abe,

honest Abe, they talked about Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, these people are just different, man. They come around every once in a while. He obviously had a different thought. He was more of a go-giver. He had a lot of strife happen. I mean, the poor guy lost seven kids. I mean, that had to have changed his perspective on life just a little bit, you'd think. I don't know the timeline on losing those children, but I mean, good God. Just losing one kid, I can't even,

I can't even fathom that. Imagine losing seven. I know times were different. What was this in AD 1500? Is it 150? Oh, like 150. AD 150, I mean, we're talking about. 15 hundred is like Shakespeare.

Yeah, yes, I'm way off. Yeah, AD 150. I mean, back then people. 1500 is like Shakespeare. Yeah, yes, I'm way off. Yeah, 81 50. I mean, back then people were dying left and right, right? I mean, but seven kids, that's just crazy. Yeah, so maybe that was part of that or maybe he started this process earlier and just kind of knew to tap into this. I don't really know.

I mean, he had an asshole kid, so it doesn't all work out. I mean, maybe you become so understanding and thoughtful that your kids can just like take advantage of you and still vie for the power and corruption in the same way. I mean, it's hard to know. It's a rough one, too, because like, even Joe said, like, I wonder, he goes, it's a rough one too, because even Joe said, I wonder, he goes, it is weird that these great people that existed have terrible kids. And then Ryan was like, yeah, maybe they're busy and they don't get to spend time with their kids.

I don't know, maybe both of those are right, but also maybe it's just that, I don't know, sometimes you just get bad kids. I mean, I don't know. Sometimes you just get bad kids. I mean, I don't want to believe that if you develop this really compassionate way of thinking, it often also leads to you having terrible kids. That is like, well, wait a second then. Well, what is the best way to behave? Should the book be called, be a little bit like a stoic, but not too much, otherwise your kids are assholes.

I mean, when he said that, I thought of, you know, the schedule of somebody that important, I mean, you have to make time for your children. If you don't, then you might end up with a little asshole. I mean, how do you make time for your kids when you're an emperor? I don't know. Never been an emperor, but I'm sure it's not that easy. No, you got to outsource some stuff for sure, but you got to put the time aside. I mean, look at the shit that Joe does. Three jobs, always on the go, and even when people ask him, like he said, he was talking to his mom, and his mom said, Joe, you're always so busy busy and he's like, Mom, it's a bit of a trick.

Like, one I enjoy it and I think he has like his quote, unquote, non-negotiable. So he's like, yeah, in the morning, I drive my kids to school. Like, there is no contract, no amount of money, and no obligation that we'll get in that way. It's like he caves it out and it's not like it necessarily gets in the way of these other things he calls it out and it's not like it necessarily gets in the

way of these other things that he needs to do to be successful. Yeah, I mean, obviously Marcus Arraileus was just a lazy, lazy dude. I don't know. This is the assumption. Yeah, you should have worked out it. I thought that the really one of the best quotes I heard from Ryan was well it wasn't from Ryan it was he was quoting epic epic teetus saying that the chief task in life is separating things that are in your control from what's outside your control and I thought that was just brilliant and it goes into so much of what we see today of like

all this shit news that we watch and the social media and it's like, choose what you can control. And it's such a simple thing that will absolutely make you feel so much better, right? And it takes constant reminder too. It's like you'll hear something on the news and you'll let it bug you all day and it really does take a moment to be like there is nothing I can do about this right now. And now all it's done is like creep into your life, bug you, change you're like mood while interacting with everybody that you interact with that day. And you're like mood while interacting with everybody that you interact with that day and you're like oh the only thing I can actually change or control is like how

I come into every space you know whether it's with your wife or your kids or your patients with others or even strangers that you meet and it does it like it's so difficult to remind you of that. I like to get worked up about shit, I read all the time. And it's like, this has no bearing on my life. You can't control it. My wife and bother about this. Right, and it was, he was saying,

I can't remember if it was Joe or Ryan was saying that, you know, you're avoiding your own personal struggles by watching the news and you're basically starting fires with other shit that you cannot control. And you're just like, you feel like you're in control by watching the news or you feel like you're helping in some sort of weird way, even though you're not. And it's like taking up all this time and energy, when really all these things are out of your control,

and you're avoiding your own personal struggles, I really related to that a lot, because I try so hard not to get too worked up over the news. Maybe ignorance is bliss. Absolutely. Circumstances. Insum. You know, because people like to,

people like to say that they're being, they're like, no, no, it's grown up and it's responsible when you want to be well informed. And that's, that's like the quotation, I'm not sure about because I'm like, wait a second, how informed are you? Because how much of this do you know to be truthful in fact? Like you weren't there, you didn't gather the information. Obviously we have to outsource some of it because you can't, you can't only gather all your information

yourself on a global scale that would be impossible. So you got to find some trusted sources. But too much of that is going on to where you just do see like we all have friends like this where they're worked up about something they want to tell you all about it they're like that needs to change that's annoying and then you look at them and you're like dude you missed work twice this week your house is a mess right like you didn't go to the gym it's like you're not even taking care of yourself. How are you planning on like saving something on the other side of the world?

This doesn't make any sense to me. Well, and it's all such clickbait. I mean, they were talking about how everything is such clickbait journalism nowadays that it doesn't even, it doesn't even, it, it, it, it, it doesn't even count for as news. In my mind, it's not even news. It's just fucking clickbait. And it gets you to click on it and you, you know, read it, a five minute thing. And most people won't even read the whole thing anyways.

And it just gets people worked up. And then that's the point of it. And this is a new thing. And you know, they were talking, and this is a new thing. And they were talking about that book from the 80s. It was called Abuse Ourself to Death. Do you remember that? How the TV was like social media back then?

I'd like to get up my hands on that book, because that was interesting to me to just every society, every generation basically, we have this new form of media, whether it was the printing press back in the day or then it's the TV and now it's internet and social media, there's always something. So there's got to be, you know, there's a good and a bad to that, right? I mean, there's always something that we can bitch about, but there's a good and a bad to that, right? I mean, there's, it's all, there's always something that we can bitch about, but there's, I feel like now

at these things come in cycles. Yeah. Yeah, but people like to do that. They like to say, oh, this is new. And this just happened. And, but they even brought up about how they use the cell newspapers when it was like, you know, extra, extra read all about it times. It was like getting, extra read all about it times, it was like getting your attention as you get off the train. You've got four choices in these young kids selling these newspapers.

And they had to have like kind of like click baity, bit headlines to get you to buy them. It wasn't until the subscriptions came in and then you know the Wall Street Journal knew they had 20 million people every week buying this that they could just do stories that want as clickbait in a sense like they want as yeah the headlines weren't as catchy I get it. Yeah, because they were like well they're reading anyway reading anyway. And then once that faded out, it was back to the internet and now they got to do it again. It's like, whatever grabs your attention and it's always the scariest thing.

And so often we've seen it where it's like, you read the article, it's like, broccoli will kill you and you read it. And it's like, if you eat four pounds of it and don't chew. And it's like, well, yeah. Why did I even read this? Like duh. So, but I just wasted five minutes. Thank you. Yeah, well, again, you're wasting your time

on something that's out of your control atom. You shouldn't do that. I know, but I get bored. Well, and I think I want to be informed. I think it might be something I'll talk about in the podcast and all I do is just get another shitty example of like, damn it. Well, what we should talk about is the amount of books that Ryan gave to Joe at the end there. I mean, how awesome was that? Wasn't that great?

Well, books or something. It was so great. So, red, I wrote a list down of a few of them that I want to read. And he had the art of war, or excuse me, the war of art on there, Stephen Pressfield, that's Mahomi. Legend. Legend. But also, I mean, meditations, they talked about that throughout the entire podcast, which I have not read by Marcus Aurelius, and they talked about the version that was, you know, the English version, the translated version that was more modern. I can't remember the name

on that one. It was like a Richard something. The Teddy Roosevelt thing was badass. What was he saying about Teddy? I have this written down here. Oh yeah, he went down like some river in the Amazon or something. Yeah, he was like the first Dude that documented going down the river in the Amazon Yeah, if you guys want a full book list to go to the Instagram page Jerry companion Joe often puts it in his stories and it's a great Instagram, but they they have like a on their page they have like a slideshow of all the books that

Ryan recommended which is a really cool thing resource just for like having them all in one place. Yeah the gang the gang is Khan book was in there I don't know if it's a biography about gang is Khan Khan. God, he had a ton. Well, didn't he say it on the bookstore so that like I'm I think if he didn't own a bookstore That would have been a bit much. I would have been like all right, dude Like you're trying to educate Logan like slow down But the fact that he's such an avid reader and I trusted what he was saying about the books, just because of how he was speaking the whole time. I'm really keen.

I think that that list of books, if you can get through, I don't know, I don't know how long that would take, it was like 12 books, but maybe a couple of years, it would probably really improve your life for sure. I mean, I trust the guy, dude, he was wearing an iron maiden shirt under his blazer. We're buddies. We're buddies. Yeah, that was that was him showing that he's cool, but also smart.

Good, good dress code. He obviously thought about that. I love that they played my favorite British comedy sketch of all time. Oh, God. Are we the baddies? I knew you would love that one. Well, Mitchell and Webb really was, I mean, back in the day, we've had some really good comedy sketch shows in England, but it's very like English style. It's hard to sometimes relate it over to American audiences, like showing my friends. Like sometimes they get it, sometimes they're missing something through a bit of the change in translation, I guess you could say, but Mitch on web has some great skits. They used to have all of their show on Netflix,

but it's gone now, but that bad is one, it's just brilliant. I mean, it's just such a good hilarious eye opener to like perspective, you know, we can often think we're on the right side of things and it's not till you take a really humble step back which kind of honestly almost no one does in a lot of ways because it just takes so much awareness but I mean just brilliant. Skulls on your cap, skulls everywhere and they still didn't realize they were the bad guys. That was a good, that was a good, that was a good, good, good, good, what did you think right at the end there? He was talking about Jimmy Carter who as a president, you know, he was, he was what,

in the military academy, they said he graduated, what, at like 38 years old, I think, at like 38 years old I think and then he was getting offered a job somewhere or he was at a job interview and I wrote this down about the guy that he was interviewing with he must have been some Colonel or something some dude high up and ranking asked Jimmy Carter did you do your best? Any, any said, you know, well, no, I probably could have done better. And the guy just walked out of the room. Is something you said about that? Like, did you leave anything on the table, right? Like, that's such a huge thing.

Like, if we can only do our best, that's all you can do. Yeah, and but when you, when you're like, let's say you have a job or you're in an office space or whatever, and you know you're in the top like two or three percent, just having that information could be enough for you to like just chill out of it. And maybe that chilling out is useful. Maybe you've got other areas of your life you need to balance and bring some attention to. But maybe it's not that. Maybe it just really is an excuse to kind of be a bit lazy and a bit sloppy in some areas. And this kernel that walked out is like all I'm looking for is people that no matter

what. No, even if they placed a hundred which is like way behind where Jimmy Carter was. If they said, I did my best. Like every day, always, it's like that drive is actually more important. It was a cool message. I mean, it makes you think, right? Yeah, I mean, no matter if you like your job or not, if you do your best, at least you can feel good about it. I guess is what I got out of it. Yeah, or go do something that you are more inspired to do your best in.

Maybe it also meant that maybe that's not what you should have been doing, Jimmy Carter, because you didn't put it your all in. So go find that. And obviously became president, so it worked out for him. I do appreciate his honesty though, you know, being like, I could have done a little bit better, you know, we could all do a little bit better. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Well, that's it for this week. It was a combination of the Wilders podcast with some of the most thought-provoking ones too. I hope you guys enjoyed it too, and we'll look forward to whoever the hell we have next week.

What is announced Tuesday? We haven't had any releases, but I feel like you need to get Elon back on pretty soon. Come on baby. We gotta get caught up. I want some of Elon's input into like what's happening with the economy with the oil like what the heck is is going on right now she's too expensive really let's get Billy Gates on here come on Joe oh Billy he get torn the pieces by road I would love that it will be good it will be good anyway thank you Todd as always and thank you guys.

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