Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 279 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Duncan Trussell Et al.

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

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que quede todo el camino por delante, y tú estas ahí dan tranquila, a tus cosas, como si te dese todo igual, como es posible. Vamos, que tú vas a trabajar, no estás llendo, ¿no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh? ¿A dónde?

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Let's start out with the Duncan Trussle 4th of July episode. I love the fact that they were dressed like, how would you even describe that? Like, like, like our forefathers, man. Right. Yeah. Come on. I mean, I know you're from Britain, but come on, dude. She's a little weak. Yeah. And they had those weird wigs like they wore back in the day during, you know, the 1800s at late 1700s. Right. I don't know how long that lasted. I'm glad they got rid of that. Look. Wasn't that because everyone had syphilis? I don't know the history. I'm not a history guy, typically.

I love that they didn't even talk about it though. I think Joe mentioned the wig one time because he was worried that he was going to set it on fire. I didn't realize what was going on until they mentioned that it was the July fourth episode. So that was noticed that it was also July fourth. I just it just didn't occur to me until they talked about like they cheers that it was July fourth. Oh, that's why they're wearing those silly outfits.

Yeah, they barely, they barely mentioned that. Looks really uncomfortable. By the end, Duncan was like his wig was fallen off. He's sweating. They're both pretty, they've seemed pretty drunk and high. I'll also, which is, which is fun. Mm-hmm. I mean, that's just standard for those two.

I mean, it's what they do. Duncan on drunken history is great. I mean, it's one of the best. Are they, are they still doing drunken history? I think for drunk history, I think they do. Yeah. Love that show. It's, it's an incredible show. We should do that here. We should just do it for fun. You know, they started that show out using, I think, history professors, like early, early on, and they would get them hammered and it was funny, but then eventually they went to comedians because they realized

they needed more consistent humor with, because the history professors actually knew what they were talking about, even if they were drunk. Well, they did, but they weren't always that funny, right? Some of them were like just drunk and very serious, but if you watch some of those early ones, some of it really came through as, I mean, a few of those guys, we just hilarious. But mostly it was like, it was like unintentional funny. Like, they just didn't, they didn't plan to be funny. They were just so ham, that's what they did. Yeah, I mean, a great idea for a show.

I'd like to hear the history of how that show came about because it's a brilliant idea. Yeah, probably just people getting drunk and telling stories and they were like, let's film this. It's genius. Yeah, I thought about doing that. My wife and I have actually talked about

if we've always talked about getting married again because our kid will be able to see it, like doing another ceremony just for fun and actually filming ourselves, doing a drunk history style where somebody would film me and someone would film film her talking about the first time we met the first day we met. Right.

Just hammered. Just hammered, talk about it and then have our friends acted out. Oh, that's good. We've chatted about this for years because it's one of her, excuse me, it's one of my wife's favorite shows. But anyway, let's get into Duncan. Let's do it. They bring up the Catholic church right away,

which you'd imagine they would, and talking about the wealth of that place. And of course, I mean, I haven't been there. I really want to go to Rome and see the Vatican, and all the artwork and the chapels, and just all that cool stuff that's there. But imagine what the dollar amount of that place has in art and history and those buildings alone. I mean, just the art alone in not only pieces of art, but art on the walls, right? I mean, what is it?

What is it? St. Peter's, what does it call? Basilica. Yeah. Painted by Michelangelo, right? That's Michelangelo. Well, he had helpers, but yes, it's his creation. One of the Ninja Turtles.

There you go. Yeah, it was, it's crazy to think about the amount of artwork that they do have. I mean, I don't know the exact amount, but I'm sure there's just caverns of that stuff just laying around. It's probably all stolen. Well, I don't know what happened in the Crusades, but I did find it interesting. Yeah, I think they were actually talking about this before the Vatican, but that sour grapes

movie. And then did you have you seen that? No. The one about forging the wine bottles and how the coat with the do one of the Koch brothers bought this supposed jet Thomas Jefferson wine. Oh, yeah, what a gullible. Yeah, he spent like a hundred grand on a bottle wine, but then Duncan talked about that murder, I think it's called Murder of the Mormons. It's another

forgery style movie where they catch a dude who's been forging documents, but he was actually forging documents that he claimed were from the Mormon church and from, you know, what is it, John Smith, is there leader? But he was like creating these documents that they were trying to carbon date. And because of the process that he used, like a chemical process to make the ink dry and look really old, and he somehow was using the same type of ink that they would have used in that you know, century or whenever that was like 50, I don't know when the Mormons claimed

to, I don't know the history behind it, but it was wasn't that long ago. Anyway, the fort, I mean, he was getting, I think millions of dollars from the attorney general of Utah or something to buy these documents he created this like salamander letter. It's it's an extremely interesting film. You guys should definitely watch it. I won't ruin what happens because there's a lot of shit that goes down. No, shit. But murder I think it's called murder of the Mormons. I wonder how many people have got away with like those types of really solid forgeries. I don't know. I mean, the kid was doing it since he was little.

You'd have to know. He just was kind of, he was a bit of a psychopath when it came to forging documents. I'd imagine just like that catch me if you can, movie. Like, if you've been doing it since your whole life and then you keep up with the technology as it goes. You only have to be like one little step ahead each time because you know what kind of methods they're gonna use to figure out if it's fake

and you just do something else so that they can't tell. Yeah, I mean, I think back in the day it was probably a little bit easier, like especially with what it was in the 60s was when, um, catch me if you can. Well, the movie came out, but it was about that guy. Right. But that was happening in Pan Am that when he was foraging all those checks,

right, he was forging checks. Basically, yeah. This guy was doing documents, which was even more, I guess, uh, technical when it came to like, because he had to make it look really, really old, right? I guess, technical when it came to like, because he had to make it look really, really old. It's one thing to forge a check. I mean, that's it.

It seems a little easier, but still in the 60s, you could probably get away with it, right? He was like, remember he was taking the little Pan Am logo off of those planes? I wonder if that was actually true. Like so good to me. He was so good to me in the top. He was genius, right?

So good. I wonder if the was actually true. Like so good. I'm gonna talk to him in the talk. Genius, right? So good. I wonder if the best thing to do if it's like you're trying to make an old document is mostly just have old blank pieces of paper because the paper will be old enough, right? Then all you have to do is make the ink look old. And otherwise, like what else are they gonna use to test it? And that's...

Well, and make the paper look old too, right? Well, but if it already is, that might be like old paper line around that nobody wrote on. Who knows? You gotta oxidize the iron or something, that's in the ink to make it look old as well, which is what he was actually using a chemical process. Like he had a fish tank.

You gotta watch the movie, dude. I'll watch it. Yeah. I'll check it out. Sounds good. That's definitely down the same road as like what Duncan would be into. He loves shows like that, for sure.

He's funny, man. Duncan is a funny dude. He's just so interesting and nice. He's so kind. He's like a sweetheart, but just has these like wacky ideas and He's really one of the best guests that ever goes on Rogen, I think because you know it's fun. You know great You got to sit down and listen for hours or something Ancient technology that was a big one they got into. What have we lost?

Now this shit comes up all the time. We've all seen ancient aliens. You know, the age of the Sphinx is up for debate, but man or man, I wish they just would find something really definitive. I know it always comes back to that, you know, give us proof thing, but it would just make it undeniable if they just pulled out like an old, you know, power station or a plane. Did you? Did you look into that, what is it?

Younger dryness? Oh, the younger dryness. What is that? What is that? Yeah, that's kind of part of it. Like, they're saying we used to be super advanced. Well, and then everything got blown away and then we can't really, we don't really know part of it, like they're saying we used to be super advanced. Well, and then everything got blown away

and then we can't really, we don't really know whether it was aliens or whether it was an asteroid. Like what was the younger dryness thing? Pretty sure the idea is that it was an asteroid. It hit so hard, it left that nucleic glass, which only exists after nuclear explosions and meteors because of the heat. And they found that.

It's everywhere. Okay. Right? So there's like a layer of it all over the earth after that thing in like the sediment. It's like a black line that's real thin and they just find it everywhere, almost everywhere. And there the idea is that it would have just been so cataclysmic that it would have wrecked the planet. So even if we had pretty advanced civilizations around, at least for the time like Egypt, I mean that was obviously advanced, look at what they

did. And this happened before that, but let's say it was something, you know, around that time that was like more advanced, they would have mostly all been wiped out because it just would have wrecked the whole planet. Yeah, and hearing this idea of like, look, if that happened now, all of our technologies on computers that would just get completely wiped away, it's not like we're carving shit and stone like they were back then. That's true. We don't really have books.

No, books would be gone too. That would get demolished if something like that happened. The only thing that sticks around are these prehistoric petroglyphs and shit written on stone and stuff that's carved into things, right? I mean, what else would survive? Some clay pots underground, which we found plenty of those.

I wonder if it would be worth, I don't even know how you would save it. Let's say the same thing, right? Let's say we just have these giant areas of stone. And then we have a machine that just coves like this kind of braille data in, like pretty small, but not not so small gets eroded away Just kind of saving the earth's data almost aren't we we have to be doing that right? We're doing this somewhere Probably but I don't know if it's like that putting something underground like a time capsule I'm sure we're doing that and they had no doubt because didn't they sent something like that to the moon, right?

That's a good idea. We should send some stuff up there. That's not going to get blown out. I'm pretty sure that happened in the 60s. When we went to the moon, anyways, we're getting off topic, but I'm pretty sure they had some sort of time capsule that had like music on it. Have you heard of this? Oh, no, that was the Voyager.

The Voyager Probe that like is now left our solar system or pretty close. It has a record on that. That's what it calls Sagan. It has a bunch of sounds and languages and things like that. I think that that is kind of like what Earth is. Then we show where the Earth is on that, which is maybe a good or a bad thing, I don't know, because they might invade us. Thank you, cumgetas.

I thought what was one of the more interesting things that got, I mean, it was a little bit, it was far out there, which I like. I appreciate ideas that are far out, but the technology being a life form, and that human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. I can't remember who made that quote But it what a great quote. Yeah, the Rogen says that all the time. It's I don't know man. It's it's so hard to know with AI. I mean they talk about that odd program You've seen it right that AI our program. Yeah, I mean, they talk about that art program. You've seen it, right? That AI art program. Yeah, I checked it out. I like, I typed some stuff into it and looked at the art. It was great. I typed, yeah, I typed in like, well, it doesn't matter what I typed

in, but I checked it out. Yeah, weird shit. And it instantly just pops up. I mean, I would like to try it again with more terms, like with more writing, because I think I wrote like snowboard, surf, bomb snow, something or other. And it came up with like some dude surfing on a wave, but you couldn't really see a face. The more direction you give it, the better.

Like you can do, you can put in like styles of art, that really helps it out, because it just has more to work with. And I think the image, the like, because it gives example images underneath of like other ones people have done. And they often come out more kind of defined than ones that I've put in.

And it's only because of all the search criteria they put in. It's almost like the more you put, the clearer the image, the more defined and often weird it is. Yeah, because you're just giving it, you're basically just telling a computer to compute something for you. So the more info you get, the more specific and the more you can tell it, the better it's going to turn out, right? It was cool to hear that they put in Matisse and it actually came out like a Matisse painting. It was more impressionistic.

Mm-hmm. That's fucking sweet. Well, imagine just having an entire museum of just that art. It's scary though. It's like you train one AI to tell the art AI different ideas so they're kind of connected or disconnected. You know, it's two separate things. And then it just makes a whole museum worth of art. Does that just change what art is then for the future?

That's a weird one. It's still art. It's just created by something that isn't human. Well, but think about it by humans. Think how different that is, right? Because they will always say it's like on the very creative end of things, the artistic end, the robots and AI's won't be able to do it, but they can already make music, they can make art. None of them can make comedy. I don't think any of them are funny, right? It's like, tell us a joke about this thing, that thing,

this thing in the style of, you know, Bill Burr. They're miles away from that. They'll, I think they're gonna get there though. That'd be the last. They talked with Andrison about the, not being able to fold close, but we'll get into that. You know, you can't tell a robot specific, some specific things that are more human in nature, you, they still cannot perform. Well, what about that Google engineer they were talking about that again thinks the AI became sentient. Now we get to Mark Andreessen.

Andreessen. Andreessen. We get to him, but he doesn't think that that's a thing. But that is potentially the most terrifying thing that could ever happen in the human race, right? Or maybe it's a good thing. Well, I mean, Duncan was talking about being able to give those same commands, like we were just talking about with this art thing online.

And I don't know where you go to do that. I can't remember the .com, but going into the metaverse and actually, like, commanding the metaverse to do something like that. I thought that was crazy because in this AI world that we're creating and this digital world that we're going to have these goggles on and we're gonna be able to basically create our own universe inside these freaking goggles that we're wearing. If we're able to say, hey, I want to see this and it just pops up. Like, that's happening. It's gonna happen. Yeah. Like, is anyone gonna leave their house? It's gonna happen. Yeah, like is anyone gonna leave their house? It's freaking weird Well, they have some sort of contact lens that they've made now that has

More pixel definition than an iPhone and it's just in a contact now I don't know how it's powered or how it works what the interface is like or what you could do with it But eventually your smartphone would just be a contact lens, I think. Like that's gonna be the first really definitive kind of like hybrid technology human. It's like you won't leave your house without your contact because you won't know what you're doing. You won't know where you're going.

You won't remember what your tasks are for the day. You won't know how to call anybody. We are in a brave new world, sir. We are. There's no way out. There's no way out of that. And I mean, this is what leads a lot to going back to mushrooms and doing DMT and Joe ending the pod,

talking about how he saw that Buddhist imagery and Hindu stuff then he fell in love with that artwork and got it and Who knows man maybe maybe that DMT realm is like the realm that finally connected to the AI and Completely integrated and now they're just in a different dimensional together like that's connected to the AI and completely integrated. And now they're just in a different dimensional together. Like that's the next level of life. Otherwise, what the hell is going on in that realm?

Why are they like Buddhist? I mean, if I was to put those goggles on, I would want to head directly to that realm. I don't want to play any games. I just want to see what it's like to be in this digital DMT world. You just get over the... All right, let's jump over to Mark. And yeah, what is this guy? He's a billionaire, right? I didn't look up his net worth, but I would imagine he basically created the first web browser.

So probably. And now he's a venture capitalist. So yes. But yeah, anyone that's a venture capitalist is that just sounds rich. He, yeah, the first web browser, like what, they even said that the first emails were being sent in like 1968, that's crazy. But just between four computers, that was like the first internet. Well, and I don't remember this. I mean, I was born in 82,

so I definitely remember floppy discs, and you and I talked about this. You actually saving things onto a cassette tape. I don't remember that. That was before me. Well, they had, or maybe I just didn't have that stock, because I think I had a Commodore 64

was the first computer my parents bought in the mid 80s, you know? The Commodore had discs, but it also had tapes for some reason, the one I had was tapes. I'm pretty sure they had an Atari one that had tapes as well for a while, but I think with the upgrade, the discs just lasted longer. They maybe they were cheaper than the tapes were, but those games took forever to load. My, my, all the brother Simon gave me his, for some reason, I think I wanted one for Christmas and he gave me his Commodore 64 and had like 50 tapes of games. So I just felt like the coolest kid in the world with all these games.

And man, I just spent so much time just sat playing. I mean we'd had nothing like that before. Yeah I mean think I wouldn't they didn't talk about Nintendo but think about when Nintendo came out. Game change. That was such a big deal. I mean there would be like oh that kid on the block has a Nintendo. We're going to his house all day. We're going to pretend we're on our bikes all day, but really, we're just going to homie's house to play Nintendo. It really was the first time that messed up

going out and playing and having fun, right? We'd still ride our bikes over there with helmetless though, which is cool. Yeah, we didn't care. We didn't know any better. We were still chucking fireworks without any adult supervision during Fourth of July. Mm were still chucking fireworks without any adult supervision during 4th of July. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, we were on our own. But once those games came, that was it. That was the beginning of the said and Terry child that just sits in the basement all day. Because I had friends that were upset. Like, I like those games. I played them a lot. That's when it started, huh?

But I had friends that were obsessed if they didn't finish a game or complete a get they'd miss school for it. It was like their entire life was playing video games. It was really just like an incredible escape that we'd never had before. Yeah I mean they talk about this whole I mean now, now in the future, right? We've got this and then, and Dresan talks about this and it, maybe it started with games. Now we're talking robots. We're getting way more futuristic now, but that tool can be good or bad, right? Like there's, it depends on who you are really because I love those games, but I also

loved being on my bicycle and spending time outside. So it really has to do with like, I don't know if it's just your chemical makeup or your upbringing, but some people are just really wanting to play games instead of being outside. Yeah. Well, it's a balance of things. It's knowing that having a balance with as many things as you can is going to be a better, more effective way to orient yourself. I mean, Stustle is always going to come along that you

really prefer and like, but if you can't just do it all the time to get that feeling of enjoyment, it's like, ah, I've spent enough time inside playing games, you know, it takes your parents, maybe. Well, if it stops you being active, that's bad. They haven't really made like really good active games. I guess the Wii is a bit like that. I don't know enough about games, but I do know that Mark and Dresan, when he was talking about nuclear power, being good or bad, like basically the atomic bomb, it was very interesting to me to hear,

because I always think nuclear bombs are horrible. They are not great. Right, I think we can all agree with that. Okay, that's an agreement, not us, we can't debate. Not much debate there. But knowing that it's a deterrent and it's something that we basically can't use, it's almost useless, right? He mentioned that it was useless because they never

get used. They've only been used what once. Yeah. Other than he was saying the Soviets used it to like find gas or to find different, you know, zones where there was oil, right? They just blow up a fucking spot and say, oh, I guess there's oil here. I don't think they're doing that anymore. But. It's kind of like if you had, imagine if you had a super punch that you could do.

And it was, you regular fight, whatever, you get an argument with people, you have a scrap, but all humans had this like super punch. And you could punch someone with it so hard you would kill them, but not instantly. It takes 10 minutes. So it gives them 10 minutes to use the same punch back to you. Everyone would just get wiped out at all the time. It's, it's too powerful of a weapon. And I guess until somebody can find a delivery system like that supersonic missile shit that they keep talking about,

because then you can't stop them. And maybe you can't even tell where it came from. It just zaps in under the radar and all of a sudden New York's gone. And how long is it gonna take before anyone figures out who shot us? What are we gonna do? Newk every country until we figure it out? Well, I mean, that's the scary thing, right? Because it's basically,

I mean, if we're talking about video games again, it's basically the same thing. They can just control these, these weapons from a computer and they can go anywhere they want. We don't even need nuclear weapons anymore. Why? Because those aren't nuclear weapons, those are just rockets, right? Those are just like bombs. Well, that yeah, they're a little bit different. I mean, similar. Well, it's supersonic, so they're super fast. But I'm pretty sure that they can do put nooks on those bad boys, too.

Maybe not very big ones, but they can put maybe a small nook. But Putin hopefully won't do that, because he knows that we're gonna retaliate and then World War III begins and nobody wants that. So let's just keep being hopeful there. It's scary stuff though. I mean, that reminds me of what Mark was saying about everything, these cults that were basically

in the past, right? They were basically way stricter than today's cults, right? Like we see a cult and we're thinking, other kids, this is weird, whatever, they're drinking the Kool-Aid, but back in the day, it was like, no, you fucking get killed if you didn't believe in a thing. Yeah.

They'll just kill you, like it's not a big deal. Like death was almost, It was such a normal a normal occurrence that I feel like people back in the day didn't see it as such a harsh ending like we do now Right, right? Well, it was just more common. It was more common. Yeah, so you know, and then the way they did like their courts I mean if it was a religious court, they were like, while we just decided they were a witch, or they said, blasphemy, and it's like guilty. And, but the worst part about it is like,

think how many people were killed just because somebody didn't like him, and they didn't even do anything wrong. It's like that fear to play by the rules must have been horrific back then. Like, it's tough to step out of line under any circumstances. Because as soon as those charges are brought up,

it's like, it's not like you have a jury of your peers to work with. They just, they're out to get you and then they burn you and that's the end of it. Good luck. Well, and it was interesting to me and it made sense once I heard it about this basis of totalitarian totalitarian. It's cheesy. Please heard it about this basis of total totalitarian total

Please say it for me totalitarian Realizou ma bla maileda cheese But every Concept that is basically tried to rule other people has has has started with this altruistic view Right like we're gonnaistic view, right? Like we're gonna help the people. Right, it's like the woke movement.

It's a facade dude, every time it's a facade. It's been that way for centuries. It sounds good at first. Oh yeah, they're gonna help us. No, they're not. No, they're just gonna use it to crush you and control you. Well, he gave that example of Twitter. He's like, it's basically religion now.

You say anything wrong. There's blas's like, it's basically religion now. You say anything wrong. There's blasphemy. There's excommunication. You know, it's played by the rules. There's one way of thinking. I mean, the algorithms feed it. It's pretty scary stuff. Yeah, it is scary.

And it's, I think it's part of human nature there for whatever reason We want to control others. It's like why is that? I don't know I think we're just afraid of people having Different ideas than us or ideas. We don't like you know, I mean, I think I don't know how those systems work over like Twitter and Instagram, whatever but they basically decide that certain things are bad and then they have the computer look for them and remove it. And there's so much of it getting uploaded that they just have to all they can do is just set programs to remove it. They can't look at each individual thing and try and critically decide the amount of time that it would take would be impossible. So robots are already controlling our information.

Basically, that's it. That's fucked up. And they're just bots that aren't even sent in or anything. See, 1984 humans were doing it. Now, we're so far into the future that robots are now controlling our information. What we learn. What we see. So who controls those robots? That's the fear. But it's again, it's a program. And Mark and Dresan kept talking about these robots being a tool. You could use a hammer for good or bad. You can use a robot for good or bad. Is a bot, they call them bots, right? That are, you know, their program to take away certain things on Twitter that are, you know, obviously don't know what they're telling it to do and not to do,

but they're taking away our freedom of speech on Twitter because it's a privately owned company. So what's next? Yeah. Give me a new Twitter. Basically, that's what they need, I think, like a no holds barred, say what you want Twitter. And I think that's what Elon was trying to do, but he's backed out now.

He's like, nah, you're not playing by the rules. You didn't give me the information on the bots. I mean, as far as I can tell, it cost him a billion dollars, just to like fuck around like that. That's a bullet as move. That's nothing for him though. What did you think about Mark Andreessen? He's obviously he's a libertarian, right? He seems...

Mark guy. Obviously, it hasn't gotten into kind of weed or he seems like a pretty straight dude basically right he's a smart smart guy very Interesting guy super smart obviously, but he you know, he's scared of weed being legal sounded like Which I I kind of I don't want to say I agree because I think people should be able to do whatever they want well I think he's scary to think I think he judges everything based on averages, right? So if you look at Rogan, he judges things based on his own experience and his, his own life.

So he knows that psychedelics have not been bad for him. They've worked out great. He's learned a lot. He opened up. Marijuana's been good for him. He did it later in life. You know, he didn't have those like teenage years of just getting stoned and laying on the couch and getting nothing done.

He has always been working hard, moving hard, and he's a successful, hard work in stoner. I think Mark looks at things like, well, let's look at the bulk of behaviors for people that smoke weed. And it's reasonable to conclude that if he doesn't have a lot of experience with it, that, yeah, it might make you lazy, it might make you x, y, and z. You know, he's not coming at it from personal experience as much as just, you know, looking at larger data fields, which I don't even, I don't always think that that's the best way of looking at things,

because you can always say to yourself, that, oh, well, I look at a lot of data and it looks like people are getting car accidents, so we should ban cars and everyone should take the bus, because that's safer. Yeah, but as an individual driving, you're like, well, this doesn't make anywhere as much sense. So it's not always the best way to analyze something.

I appreciated his perspective though, because I grew up in high school, we smoked weed, and it wasn't strong. And nowadays I don't do it because it's too damn strong. I feel dumb. I can't imagine being a 16 year old kid smoking the weed that's around now. I'm not saying it's bad or good.

I just, for me personally, it's too strong. It's way strong. That scares me. Yeah. Like, now that I have a child, it scares me to think that if you're smoking that much weed with the amount of THC that's in the weed that we have now that's basically genetically modified,

it's all genetically modified, that's not good for you, man. I'm sorry. Moderation is key, and I'm not telling what people should, I'm not telling people what they should do or not do, but it's an interesting thing because this is so new. I mean, weed is just now becoming legal, which is great. People should be able to do what they want. I definitely believe in that. But this virtues thing that he talked about, and he brought it back to the forefathers about having virtues, and nowadays, when religion is kind of falling out, and there's a lot of people who don't have this set of moral standards.

Like a structure of a physical behavior. And you know what, I, whether I believe in, you know, a higher power or not, I still believe in having standards and virtues to go by. That's a good thing. Whether it's religious or not. So what is the next step? Because there's so many people who don't follow religion. They're not scared of God anymore.

What do we follow? That really clicked with me because I grew up being scared as hell of God. I was scared of God. Like I went to Catholic church, it scared me man. I was worried about committing sin, okay? That fucking probably made me a better kid. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

I'm not saying that's the right way, but if there's no virtues to go by or no set of morals to go by, that is a little bit scary. And Mark Andreessen brought that up about how our forefathers had this virtuous like want to do better. How do we create that in these in these young,

in this younger generation? I don't know, but it seems important to me. Well, it's interesting you say that because what I was brought up in atheistic family. So no God and my dad was kind of adamantly opposed to that existing. When I was young, I, you know, you just do what you do. You just believe your dad, right? So if he had been really religious, I would have followed that too. Like I thought he was the best thing in the world and he was right.

And that's how it was when I got out of my teen years, I calm down a little bit. I was like, well, I don't know if he can be sure. I don't know if the religious people can be sure, but it's no one can fully know. And, but I didn't grow up afraid of these moral outcomes outcomes like the religious people that I met when I moved to the US like they were deeply afraid and I thought well hold on are you really making a choice or is it just fear? Is it just that you're scared? It's not like I was doing terrible things and I had an idea my parents taught me like don't do this do that that, be kind, do these things, but it wasn't like the threat of hell at the end.

It was just like, you'll make people feel bad. And I don't think the threat of hell is a good thing. I don't, but what I'm saying is after hearing Mark and Dreson, it made me, I guess, rethink how people decide what is good or bad. Because in history, good or bad is whether God thinks it's good or bad, right? Right. So how did your dad tell you what was good or bad? He just told you what was good or bad and you just believed him.

Basically, he didn't have to scare you into it. No, I mean, he was a pacifist too, it still is. And I mean, he didn't even spank us, which to some, you know, it's like sometimes he would sit us down and like lecture us through the whole reason why morally that was bad. And you know, when you're a tiny kid, like that, those little lectures

get super annoying. And I was like, God, could you just spank us already? This is taking forever. But it kind of drove it into us, you know, so there's ways. But I get what he's saying because you're right. If there's no religion, where are we getting our morality from? If it's not from our parents, the law, the government, people aren't trusting that shit very much right now. So that's not, and you know, we see what they're doing on Wall Street, Pelosi making all their money with insider trading allegedly. It's like, well, what, where's the moral compass, man?

Exactly. I'm not saying we need one or not, but I can't, the more I think about it, I feel like we kind of do or not, but I can probably think about it I feel like we kind of do and I don't know what that is now in the future Because we're because they're so many is what we need yeah, but we have such shit education in this country Well that's true unless you have money and you live in a good community like where are you getting that education? I got you you need good parenting, right? That's basically it. But you can't enforce good parenting.

Well, yeah, you can't, you can't always hope for it. I'll tell you that much. That's difficult to do. That's difficult. Well, delusion effect he talked about, right? This delusion of morals, right? That's kind of what it came down to. Yeah.

Yeah. And I guess it's down to. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess it's just like a lack of understanding. I mean, in the same way, when they were talking about nuclear power, it's like really, I still am baffled of like why the argument is that we just can't have, that if we haven't built a plant since what did he say, like the 70s or something,

that what's that like 50 plus years ago? Imagine how much better we would make nuclear plants today if we had been building in this whole time. They would be so ridiculously safe. And he said there's almost been zero deaths from most of the plant disasters. I know Chernobyl was not a good one. That's a terrible example. Well, that screwed everything up. Chernobyl scared everyone. I think it did. Yeah a good one. That's a terrible example, but that screwed everything up.

Chernobyl scared everyone. I think it did. Yeah, that one went way out of control. But we can make them way safer and it covers all our power issues. And it's like, why don't we just have one area that country where we experiment with this? It doesn't even have to be a plant that supplies a bunch of power to places, but we just do experiments with it. Yeah, and we just keep it away from the ocean. We're good. It's totally a Nevada where no one's going to be ever for hundreds of years because it's

so vast. And then we just play around with it until we make it so incredibly safe, it's completely undeniable. I think that's a good note to end on. And I think people should watch Bill's brain on Netflix because it totally changed my mind on nuclear power. And I think that's definitely the answer moving forward until we can figure out how to do things cheaper

and more efficiently and more renewably. We can't do that all at once. Nuclear power, absolutely the answer. Because you're right, the technology is there to do it way more safe, way more safe. Yeah. It's there. We have the technology.

We just have to get off of this scare tactic of like nuclear is bad. Isn't that just the oil company saying that? Dude, I feel like the oil companies have tricked the environmentalists and now the environmentalists don't even realize and they think they're trying to save the planet and it's all powered by the, I mean, what motivation would fuel companies and coal and gas companies have? They would have a huge amount of motivation to stop nuclear. So it's like these two sides that battle against each other, environmentalists and the power place, they're like somehow on the same side with this, which

is a weird one. Yeah. And nuclear is cheaper than coal too and a lot less dirty. I mean, it's basically, it's basically zero carbon emissions, right? Yeah, it's like nothing. It's just steam comes out of those things. Let's go. Let's do it.

We're build one. We try. All right, let's jump over to Brian Redband. End on this crazy loon. I mean, he must be the guy that's been on Rogan the most times of all people. I'm not 100% sure, but he definitely has. Co-creator of the show, Kill Tony, which everyone

must know about right now. Killtony is a great show. I've seen that live many times at the comedy store and it's always brilliant. It's really is. When Joe says it's one of the best things in comedy right now, it's so true. Those shows were so wild and so fun and Tony just crushes it. I mean, his ability to kind of ad lib and rip on people, it's phenomenal.

And there's so much weird shit that goes on in the show too, because it's, and I just mean that is like the timing of gaps between things when the band plays or whatever. Tony is just a master of keeping that flow going. And it must be so difficult. That's like a ton of pressure. Obviously he's practiced forever, but brilliant show.

And so many good new comedians are popping up through that too. I love it, death. If you guys don't watch that, kill Tony show, or you really have never seen it, then you need a start. It's that good, legendary. I think we should jump into because we talked about this before with Duncan. And, you know, obviously a lot of these ideas get inner mixed with what Joe's talking about because he brings up a lot of the same ideas and concepts.

But this whole VR headset thing, man, that was the biggest thing that I got out of this one, was talking about how realistic these VR headsets are going to be, and how Terrence McKenna back in the day actually predicted that we would have this fake DMT trip that seemed so realistic that you wouldn't know the difference. Well, they have on this meditation app I have on my Oculus Quest or whatever it's called. I think it's now called the Meta something they've changed the name. But on that in the meditation app called trip, they have like a DMT. I think it's even called like the DMT thing and it just takes you flow She through space and brings you to these like ginormous shapes that are like planets that just morph shape

Constantly and it does it for like half an hour and you're in it I mean obviously the feeling that you get is not the same as being on that drug. I'm sure a lot more comes with it, but those visuals are wild. Well, and Brian was also talking about how in this VR setting, like, well, for instance, he talked about how YouTube, people are watching YouTube more than they're listening to podcasts, right? Or they're listening to them via YouTube. They're watching them. But yeah, they like to do them via YouTube. They're watching them. But yeah, they like to do that a lot.

Which is great. You get more out of it. But that in turn, what he's saying is that's going to end up being where people go and just put on their headset and watch it via their headset so they feel like they're there. Right? And he was saying that he's already doing these virtual like cafes where he goes in and talks to people and he's is he doing his podcast like in the metaverse or is he planning on doing that? It sounded like he was planning on doing that and he's already been doing it

because Joe kept saying, oh yeah, you're already way ahead of the game. You can see that this is actually happening and people are going to be wearing these headsets. More often than not. Look, I'm not surprised. You can say what you want about Brian, but I'm pretty sure that he was the guy behind the idea for Rogan to do the podcast. And that was right at the beginning, really, of podcasts being created. I mean, they even said there were a few around, maybe a couple of hundred back then. But Brian was all over that. I mean, he got Rogan to do it and to stick at it

and, you know, now look. Well, he said he was a dark grown up, so it makes sense, you know, that he'd be wearing the headsets all day long. He gets it. He's into it. So many people are into it. I can't see myself getting into it. I mean, you gave are into it. I can't see myself getting into it. I mean, you gave me the headset that you have. It was cool, but it just kind of creeps me out, man. I don't know. Maybe once it gets more realistic, I'd be into it, but it just scares me to think that I could walk outside and go climb a mountain. We're in this beautiful state. And for me to just put on a set of VR goggles and pretend that I'm somewhere else, it's a little creepy.

I get it. Yeah, it is unusual. But again, as they get better, imagine when they get smaller to the point where they're just like a cool pair of oak leaves. That's what scares me. And they... Because that's going to happen. You're on the river, so you're floating the Madison or what at the Yellowstone or whatever. You're floating down there and it has systems in that are just identifying things everywhere. They're like ego in the tree, they're rock ahead. Like it sounds unnecessary but real quick, they only need a few things that would be real useful to you. It would show you the speed you're traveling, the wind, how long it is to the next

little spot where you can pull your boat out, a bunch of things. Don't need any of that. It gives you a warning when a bed is coming. It's weird, man. How about the point that Joe was making about 90% of all species being extinct now. And is that an exponential curve? I should have looked this up because I'm curious about it. Or is that something that has just been continually happening through time? Well, yeah, it's just that we think about evolution. It's lots of creatures.

The reason we've changed this because we're adapting to our environment as the environment changes over hundreds of millions of years. So a lot of those creatures just couldn't survive in the new environment, and they have slight mutations in their offspring that make a maybe a little smaller for like an island that broke off. So now they don't have to eat as much and they can survive better on that island, whereas the bigger creatures couldn't, they died out.

It was just how it is. It doesn't mean that, you know, everything just dies all the time. No, I get that, but it was also saying that cats, like actual domestic cats are the species that are killing all these animals, whether it's birds, rodents, you know. Well, it doesn't know.

The 90% is like through time, but now it's the cats, right? Nowadays cats seem to be wiping out the most species, which is interesting because they like to blame humans for that. But I'm sure we're doing plenty of it, but it is funny, not funny, I guess, but it is kind of unusually amusing that it's actually cats that are doing it. They're little assholes, dude. Still our fault because we're purchasing kitty cats. That's true. That's a problem. We kind of brought cats everywhere. But, you know, can we, do we really

have to just sit around blaming ourselves all the time. I mean, we're the only animal that creates like large, safe habitats for other creatures. Good point. What about this coyote thing they talked about how all these coyotes are, we're actually creating more of a problem by killing the coyotes or getting them out of their normal habitat, right? Like a rancher killing a coyote. They were saying that if a coyote doesn't howl at night because he's dead The pack actually knows that that coyote is now dead because they have they know the howl of that coyote So the mom coyote actually goes off and Has way more sex to create more offspring because that coyote died

So we're actually also creating that problem So we're creating the cat problem and the more offspring because that coyote died. So we're actually also creating that problem. So we're creating the cat problem and the coyote and the coyote. You can't wipe the coyotes out there. Well, no, they're saying that the more we devastate their habitats by killing them, the more they're reproducing. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're in New York. No, he was saying that like coyotes are roaming the streets of New York like the rats. No shit. Where would they be like? Dude, betting down for the night.

They didn't talk about that, but they talked about, he talks about this book, Joe was saying this new book coming out, Coyote America, or maybe that book was already out by Dan Flores. Oh, it's already out by Dan Flores. He brings it up a bunch. Supposedly it's a wild bug. I still haven't read it. And yeah, I mean, that was, it was crazy. Cause you'd think you kill the coyotes,

there's gonna be less coyotes, but it actually creates this innate, this, this natural instinct of the mother coyotes to actually want to create more. Mm-hmm. And they do. Well, look at wolves, right? They wipe wolves out of England. We wipe wolves out of many different places. In fact, we've like reintroduced them in the Yellowstone, because they're actually, when there's a lot of them, it's very dangerous. Joe's talked about how in the war, one of the

wars, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire because the walls were killing everyone, so they had to go shoot the walls. It's like there are problems, so there's a reason humans have really reduced their numbers for safety. It can be an issue if there's a lot of walls, but it's more manageable to do because they're tight packs. You can find them all, they don't stay close to other groups of wolves, but the coyotes don't work like that.

The coyotes are way better survivors, and it makes it basically impossible to really kind of keep their numbers down. Well, it's kind of like a mix between a fox and a wolf, right? They're a little bit more clever, I think, than wolves are. Maybe that's just made that up, but it seems correct. I don't know. Wolves seem pretty clever. But speaking of that, the wolves don't watch Yellowstone. Joe said that you should watch

Yellowstone, and it's great. Don't do it. Why? Oh, you don't want any of the movie. It's just a horrible show. It doesn't represent the the West like it tries to. I don't think. Anyway, I agree. I don't I watch that show and I don't know anybody like the people on that show that are like at least hanging around bozeman. I don't know where you got to go to see him. What about this, um, God, this testosterone cream?

Do you think that was real about this two year old? Is like grown pubes? Mm-hmm. What is going on? I mean, it would work. It was saying that this kid's dad was using this testosterone cream for whatever reason he was putting, he was like, lathering himself with testosterone cream

for some genetic thing. I think he probably, I don't know, it didn't explain why, but he was using this stuff. And his kid ends up showing signs of puberty at the age of two. He was two years old, and he's like, he's like, it's tall as his dad. It was crazy.

They showed a picture of this little kid. I mean, he didn't look like a grown-ass man, but he looked a lot bigger than a two-year-old. I have a two-year-old, and this kid was looking a lot bigger than that, for sure. Well, I think it would make sense, though, right? If you give, if you loaded a kid up with human growth hormone and testosterone way before he's supposed to be making it, he's going to grow a lot. I'm sure that there's going to be complications in the future, but yeah, dangerous stuff. Or complications from the hard water that we're drinking, they went into that a little

bit. And I think it was brought up because red band was talking about, he like bought some Garfield cups on eBay. Remember those Garfield cups that were painted from Mickey D's that it was in the kids happy meal? Right. But he found out there was so much lead paint in the paintings on the cups that it was like, it was like a thousand times more lead than what you should be having

in anything that you consume from. Yeah, that's bad. But then it talked about hard water and they didn't really get to the bottom of it because hard water has minerals in it, so you would think it was good for you, right? But they're also saying that it could create psoriasis or skin problems, dry skin, whatever. But I would like to go back and look that up because the water that we have in bozeman or at least at our house is like you can see it on the toilets. It has so much iron in it. Like is that good or bad? I don't know. Is that what it is, I think

so. I think that's what creates that orange like film that you get on your toilet or if I mean I can see it on my shower head. Uh-huh. You know, there's just like this orange paste that's created, like, iron's good for you, right? Yeah, but not too much. But not too much. You need tiny amounts. And we have no idea what's in our water. And I don't think you're supposed to eat rust, the eva.

It's like the way that you get the iron needs to be like through foods. Otherwise, you're just poisoning yourself with heavy metals. Right. Well, and speaking of that, they also went into the soil. I think Joe was saying, you know, scientists are saying that there's only 60 years left of top soil.

Yeah, that's scary. I don't understand that much at all. Well, because it's getting blown off. And they're using so many chemicals in this industrial agriculture that we have because we have so many humans, we have to feed them. Right, that's like a good and a bad, right? We're feeding more people,

but we're diluting the soil down so that there's no nutrients in our, the things we're eating. Sure. Because we don't do that crop rotation thing that they used to do. You know, like every so many seasons, they would plant a field of just like radishes or something that

isn't something that we would eat a lot of, but it's the type of thing that they plant would help kind of rejuvenate the soil for like later seasons. Now what we do is just stick nitrogen fertilizer and over and over and over and over again. Yeah, and it's running our soil because we're not using those sustainable practices like we did where you, it's a, you know, it's a, what is it called a rotation crop, I think. That's it, yeah. Right, so like for two years, you grow in the same field,

then you plant a bunch of whatever it is to get more nitrogen back in the soil naturally and you plant somewhere else and then for a year or two and then you go back to that original spot where the nitrogen has now naturally come back because you planted something that has a high nitrogen like clover or alfalfa has high nitrogen. Can we afford the to do it though because think about it right so if we do it that way that means every piece of land for I don't know what the rotation is, let's say a quarter of the time is unusable. So in a sense, that

makes a quarter of the, all the land at any one time not usable. That would change. We would have to be planting on a lot more land to even maintain the same amount that we have now. Yeah. I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that if we keep doing it the way we're doing it, it sounds like we're fucked. We're not gonna have any nutrients in our soil or our food, but I'm sure we'll figure it out,

whether we do hydroponics and I think a lot of these, even in the city, there's a lot of new farms popping up where they're like you know vertical farms What goes back to those bio harvest guys that we were talking to And we're gonna release like a special pod this week probably on Saturday The talks that this company that grows some sort of they do it all in a lab and they just use the cells So it uses no land and they can pick the most perfect cell, and then they reproduce that over and over again.

And there we go, no soil. And we're making massively nutrient dense, like foods, basically, or at least nutritional supplements. And, you know, this is one man's opinion, but I, you know, doing that with meat as well, I think that that's going to happen. They've been trying to do it. Oh, laughing. It's gonna happen.

It's gonna have to happen because really, the most of the land that's being used is for cattle and livestock. That's more way more of an issue than vegetables and crops rotating and having the nutrients in the soil. It's really these animals, these large mammals that are taking up all the space. Dude, they can make a steak taste like a steak. I don't think anyone cares.

No one's going to care. Dude, that's the future. I fully, I'm fully on board with that because I love meat, but if I, like you said, if I could get something that tastes just like meat and it doesn't come from something we have to kill, awesome. Right. Who's going to be against that? I mean, there, you could still go hunting elk or whatever, but dude, you don't have to have 9,000 cows squashed into a tiny building, you know, falling in their own crap and

then, you know, the assembly line of slow to ring. Yeah. Nobody wants that. If we can get rid of that and still have high quality protein meals from basically fake meat, I mean, but really it's not. It's coming from the same cells. Yeah.

It's just a different way to do it. It's just a advanced way of creating what we're eating. I think it's awesome. As long as it's the same stuff and they don't genetically mess with it, they just make it, you know, and they just figure out how to grow it like that. That'd be excellent. I'm into it. I'm into it.

All right, on that note, let's call it good old red band. What a legend. Still around, still kicking, still doing great. Thanks, as always, for listening. Check out our website, JREReview.com. Go to our Instagram. We're going to start having, yeah, basically like some quiz questions of the week for Rogan, like for all of you guys that listen to all the pods, like we do, you know, we just come up with some fun questions just to see it. Test your knowledge and have a good time. And there we go. Thank you so much guys. Talk to you next week.

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