Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 281 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Tom Segura Et al.

Episode Date: July 20, 2022

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Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. It might be the worst podcast with the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. A ver, pero ¿cómo es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero? A mover una bicicleta a rastar dos cajas de libros y levantar un orden microondas. Para coger una chancla. ¡Ah, vale, vale! ¿Dónde vas tú con ese chancla, eh? ¿Dónde vas tú? Llega al mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio, sobre teo extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional, con 20 millones aún de cimo.

Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de da. with responsibility and only if you are the majority of them. by my sidekick, Todd Lee. How you doing bud? Oh la, doing great, good to be here. Sounding nice, these new headphones are wonderful. Oh yeah, you like these? Yeah, thanks buddy. Yeah, well, we need to be able to hear how annoying we both sound to each other, like, but louder. That's what I felt.

It's gonna help us. Helps me not interrupt, which is always a good thing. I need to wear headphones around the rest of the world. Tari Motel. Tari Motel, if you don't interrupt. We'll see. It is hard to not speak over each other with podcasting though. I guess we just don't notice how much we do it in real life.

Like in regular conversations, it's kind of accepted. It's not as annoying. But then when somebody listens, it's, yeah, bad. We apologize if we do that. All right, Andrew Huberman, what a smart guy. Love listening to this guy. I'm glad he has a podcast because it,

it's like the amount of knowledge he has. He, you know, I feel like some people can go on a podcast like Rogan's one time and it's like, this is all the type of specialty I have. There you go. And it's like, oh, now we know, like what, they're into, not that they would go into everything but like enough of the stuff. With human it just goes forever. This guy never runs out of stuff to talk about.

Well, it comes to health and life and blah, blah, blah. I mean, he's just one of those guys that after you listen to Onrogan, you want to go here more. Like you just said, like I went and checked out his podcast. He's freaking awesome. Yeah, he's so good. So good. Okay, so let's start with the, they were talking about Shane Gillis and Ariri and the drinking challenge, which was hilarious But then you know, Cuban puts a bit of science into this. He's like, okay, this is maybe why this happens and he said 8% of people have this particular what was it a gene and then they can They somehow can just handle alcohol so much better, whether they don't get hangovers or I don't know what it is. Well, it was just they can drink more for a prolonged period without seeming really drunk, right?

Like you could have what do you drink like 18 18 Bud lights in a matter of like hour. Yeah, unbelievable. You know. Yeah. Well within that like three hours stretch. That's so many. Oh, it was 18 within the three hours. I felt like he was drinking him even heavier than that, but regardless, we all have a friend or friends that we've known in back in college or whatever that could do that. Dude, that's still six an hour. That's a Bud light every 10 minutes for three hours. Yeah, and he didn't seem that drunk, did he? Unbelievable.

Did he even go pee once? Did he puke though? Somebody puke? No, that was aery. Okay. Yeah, because he was bet $5,000 that he could beat Shane and good luck to that. So yeah, Shane probably has that gene for sure. I mean, February time.

Crushed it. Well, was there something about the gene too where you don't throw up? Because I'm that guy. I all black out, but I will not throw up ever. Maybe your body should. I think like I should purge. It better.

Well, if it's that poison to where you're blacking out, maybe you want it to throw up. It's been a while. It's been a while. My uncle, Uncle Mark, he doesn't get hangovers. Never has. I don't really get them either. I don't know, because I don't know what other people feel

like. I feel very tired. But I don't get that headache. People often talk about getting a bad headache. I don't get that. And I would drink too much if I didn't get hungover. Exactly. That's, it's like, you know, gif then occurs, right? I mean, it just can encourage you so much that if you know you don't feel terrible the next day, you can drink a lot. So that's a problem. It wasn't. He was talking about the, um, also having a gene when he was younger. Euberman was saying that he had a gene when he was younger where he had, like, hair on his Adam's apple. And he was like, his voice was loud. Oh, that's deep.

It was like deeper when he was eight years old. He had to grow into his voice. Right. I think that was maybe like a 3% thing. He had a lot of facts. The guy just knows so much. I mean, I was, I was super interested to hear about, I can't remember who he was talking about, but instead of microdosing, he was saying maybe his psychologists or one of his psychologists,

but he was telling him, no dude, you should macro dose. Macerdose. Just kid. Go deep. And I've been hearing this. I feel like it needs to happen. Because it's been coming up in conversation a lot. Maybe because I'm thinking about it.

You notice how that happens when you start thinking about something keeps coming up. If you look at a clock, you keep seeing the same numbers. Maybe you're just thinking about it, which is probably more likely than it being like this serendipitous thing that needs to happen, but I think a lot of times with that, it's like your mind is trying to pay attention

to things related to something that you found to be important and they just stand out more and more. So it's like, maybe it's over here. Oh no, it's not. Maybe it's there. Maybe it's that conversation. Oh no, it's not. Maybe it's that. Maybe it's that conversation. You know, when people like, it's so weird I was talking about this

and I met someone, you know, I overheard the table next to me, say the same thing. It's kind of like that cocktail party effect. Like you were, your brain is like looking out for this in the moment. A lot. Yeah, so you're just noticing it more.

Mm-hmm. Cause it's on your mind. But maybe it's important to you, right? I mean, I've always felt like this with microdosing, and I know people that have tried it, I've tried little bits of it here and that, and I just get the sense that it's like a kind of a bit of a numbing effect, like a clever one. It will be like drinking just a little bit of booze all day. You're like, yeah, just kind of floated through today. Whereas macro, especially with mushrooms, I mean, that's a journey.

You got to be prepared. Right. Well, and clinically, now that people are realizing the importance of doing it with a doctor or someone that can guide you through it, you're not just doing it for fun. Well, didn't Hubeum and Toulk have the new mushroom documentary on that flex? It's not just mushrooms, but it's like... Yeah, that's the one with Michael Paul and that Michael Paul and that's connected. Mm-hmm. You haven't seen it yet. Oh, dude, it's brilliant. Yeah, it's so good. I mean,

they go through all like psilocybin therapy, potentially like masculine, um, MDMA and how, um, it's like in the, uh, like third stage stage trials whatever the FDA calls that Where it's like I think stage three trials is like on humans for you know for MDMA and therapy They were saying it's like 67 percent Effective or something like that like real high into the 60s, effective for post-traumatic stress. It's like after the group that they put in did the MDMA, I mean the therapy, 67% of them couldn't be diagnosed with PTSD afterwards, like they dropped below that threshold. I mean, and stayed there consistently.

But you and they didn't have to continually keep doing it. They didn't say that, but they said that over time, they weren't like, re-diagnosed. I mean, I guess there was a time period, which makes sense. Like, you don't want to ask someone like the next day, they're like, yeah, I feel great. And then a week later, they're struggling. But well, you'd think the next day, they'll like, yeah, I feel great. And then a week later, the struggling. But well, you'd think the next day you'd feel worse because all of your, you're just depleted of all that serotonin and dopamine and everything else. So maybe they're, I mean, the doses are probably pretty low. I don't remember them talking about the dosage.

Oh, no, they're pretty ham of that. Yeah. They in them, in those, um, those therapies, I mean, they're giving you enough. Those therapies are probably done with like a macrodose of whatever the thing is that you're taking. And talking about medications that you take, and we were discussing it earlier, ADHD meds. I mean, tons of kids are taking this stuff now. Lots of kids in college.

And yeah, for a lot of them, does it help with studying? Probably yes. For a lot of them, does it just feel really good while they're taking it? Yeah, I mean, I would imagine so. It gives you a lot of energy. Yeah, or is it a you know, is it an easy way for? Parents, you know lazy parents. I could see that too. I know I mean, I know I've had ADHD my whole life and my dad Made me do sports instead. He's even told me he's like yeah, the doctors told you you should have ADHD meds But I just made you play sports Did it help absolutely like yeah, the doctors told you you should have ADHD meds, but I just made you play sports. Did it help?

Absolutely. And that, but I mean, I'm on it now. I'm on ADHD drugs now. I just started taking them a year ago and we were just talking about this prior to the podcast after hearing Hubertman mention that, you know, these amphetamines kill neurons. Obviously, you don't think about it while you're on it, but...

It's because your neurons are darned. Yeah, I mean, it's not coming back, so... It makes you wonder, especially, it makes me wonder, especially with these children that are on it at all times, you know, after six years old, you can take this stuff, that doesn't seem... that's not right. Put it... throw them outside, man. Get them a soccer ball to do something else.

I mean, I can, I see the benefits of it, but I also see how it could be such a detriment too. I mean, it's like get a schedule, get your workout going. If this stuff helps you do that, great. It's amazing, it has helped me stay focused for sure, but I don't plan on staying on this stuff. It scares me to think that I'd be on it for more than a few years, you know, especially when there's other therapies out there. I mean, Hubert Min mentioned the cold therapy,

and you do that all the time at the hot springs, getting in those cold baths and and you do that all the time at the hot springs, getting in those cold baths and, you know, how it, what it doubles your dopamine for an extended period, like four hours. That's what he was saying, yeah. That was awesome to hear that. I mean, I always feel better after doing a cold bath, but I didn't realize it was scientifically tested,

like four hours after the fact that you're still feeling that high from it. I just do it because, least at first I hated it. So it just made me feel like a pussy. And I'm like, dammit. It just drove me crazy. I was like, man, I mean, I went early in the morning. And you know, when you're like, it's the morning, you're tired.

Like you get a bit of a workout in, but it's still like, you got to dunk yourself in, you know, cold water. It was rough. But what's nice about it is almost like anything, though, you just practice. And then it's, you know, I don't even think about it now, but I also don't know what it does. You know, it's nice to hear somebody talk about it and be like, oh, and guess what? Also, if you do 11 minutes a week on average based on these scientific studies, you get as much of a, you know, brown protein or something you were saying, something like that.

Yeah, I didn't understand what the brown protein thing is. I think it's like those heat shock proteins. So it's supposed to help protect your DNA. It just like put you through this cycle. And then he said, I think 37 minutes of so on a week, like if you get in there, and it can kind of have very temperature. But that gets you the maximum amount of, you know,

in general, the benefits. I wrote down Susanna Solberg, Dr. Susanna Solberg, because I wanted to actually go back to that. And because she was the one, I think, the scientist that did a lot of those studies. Oh yeah. Let's pull her up. Yeah, and they were talking about that yoga Neetra as well yoga Neetra the NSDR

What was it? Non-sleep deep rest. Uh-huh. How this meditation for a half hour will help recharge your body by 65% Just this this particular yoga meditation. And so I pulled that up as well. I'm definitely gonna try that out. I didn't try it out yet. What was that lady's name again? Dr. Susanna Solberg. Yeah, let me see.

Yeah, they mentioned if you sift your body in the cold too, it makes a huge difference. You know, you get in that cold plunge and you just want to you just want to freeze. Yeah, like you literally you're freezing, but you just want to you don't want to move at all. Well, yeah, if you don't move around it's It you do kind of warm up a little bit. I mean, it's way more brutal when you're in there And like someone just comes like either jumping in or moving around a lot, like that's pretty difficult too, but you get used to that one as well.

But it must drop the temperature somehow. I don't know. It must kind of lower it. But again, you don't stay in very long. That's what's nice about it. You just kind of end it now. And I think the hot springs that I go to is it's only like 50 degrees over there. So it's not even like it's 58. 58 degrees, which sounds warm. It's not. It can't be that high. Dude, 58 degrees.

I'm telling you, I was just in there this morning. And it's, and they said that you can see it on the chart on that when you walk, when you first walk in on the left hand side. But well now I feel like a whimper again. Well Rogan was talking about doing it at 48 degrees, I think. What am I going to do? Take a bag of ice into the hot springs with me. I can't do that. I really appreciated the cigarette talk about how he, Hubert and was just saying, man, I have a few vices and one was like, he loves the adrenaline, right?

He was in the cold, not the cold punch, been talking about cold punches. Was any fucking skydive or something? There was a shark tank. In a shark actually, like he had to bust out of the cage because his, oh, fuck, wow, his oxygen went out like one of the safety tubes or something and he lost air. And so that's, that's not super uncommon. Those little valves lock. So when you breathe in, the valve opens just for a second, and then obviously when you stop sucking on it like it blocks up So the water can't get in and sometimes you just kind of like freezes open and your air will empty in

40 seconds, you know the whole hour that you have left so If you dive partner is not close to you you can be in big trouble real fast dude That's what you have sharks swimming around trouble real fast. Dude, that's what you have. Sharks swimming around you. Mmm, yeah, not good. I don't, I just don't get like, I guess if it's the adrenaline junky thing like good, but I can relate to that. But I mean, secret sigs though. It's basically what he was talking about.

Yeah, and well, and just again, if we're getting on the kid thing about all these kids having nicotine vapes all the time, I guess that's better for you. Oh, no, they got into it because the FDA is actually getting rid of jewels. That's what it was. Right. And so they started talking about nicotine and different methods of smoking these days and how really nicotine, yeah, it might be bad for you, but compared to cigarettes, why would they be getting rid of jewels over sigis? I don't think nicotine is bad for you. It's bad for your arteries.

Yeah, if you got shitty weak arteries, but then probably gravity is bad for your arteries at that point. I think if you're healthy and you're not going nuts with, you know, I mean, and I'm talking like nicotine, like patches or like the pouches or, you know, the breathing moment in those vapes could be a problem, but only if the vape system itself is like made of shitty products that you're breathing in. Right? Those little shitty ones from built in China, which are probably most of them, right? They have those little, you know, just pieces of metal that who knows how hot they're getting

when you're using it. Sure. Like, I'm sure they can make them to way. Yes. they're getting when you're using it. Sure. Like, I'm sure they can make them to weigh, yes, you're breathing in a vaporized version of nicotine, which isn't bad for you, like really isn't that bad for your lungs and gives you nicotine, which is basically, well, it's natural. It's actually the most addictive natural chemical, which is pretty unusual, but, and also it's unusual

because it's non-toxic. And that, well, depending on how much you take, but like caffeine is considered non-toxic because I'm sure you could take enough caffeine to kill you as well. Like powdered caffeine, you could kill yourself. Either way, you'd think jewels would be safer than smoking a pack of sigs a day.

No matter how much they're smoking during the day. No doubt. Yeah, they banned those. And cigarettes are still here. Somebody has perched. Money talks. Someone's got a grudge going on. Oh, yeah.

Jewel didn't say the right thing at some political, you know, $5,000 a plate dinner potty and that's it. They're out. How about the sunscreen topic? What did you think about that? Well, that it's bad for you. Just the actual, what is it? Tricholcans? Tricholcans, the small amounts of whatever tricholcane are, there's certain sunscreens that'll get into your body so that you can't actually get that vitamin D from the sun. Huh. I always knew people had talked about how sunscreen could be worse for you than actually not wearing it. I wasn't sure if I was a believer or not, but when you hear someone like Huberman talk about actual peptides and tricholcane that these particular products that actually soak into your skin and they make it so you can't get the vitamin D. Well, that's not good.

And getting the vitamin D in the morning, that was better than getting it later in the day. Do you remember? I mean, it was a than getting it later in the day. Do you remember? Oh, I mean, it was. That makes sense. Right. The only time you went outside was right before the sun went down. That's the only sun you've got.

Your body is probably thinking that you're waking up. Is that pretty much you up? Yet if you get in the morning, you just woke up. You're like outside sunshine, cup of coffee. Your body is like, okay, the day is about to go. Let's get this started. It's receiving it better. It may be.

Maybe it just like sets that cycle of awake better. It's like how does your body know that it's the morning again? Well, and having those patterns, right, of sleep and keeping everything turned off, I've been doing that lately. When I go to bed, if the lights are, even out in the living room, if I leave the little light on,

the hallway light or something, just because whatever, it feels safer. My wife likes to feel safer at night, but I can tell it messes with me. It's like it's harder to fall asleep, so I put a pillow over my head to get that darkness. They were talking about the darkness of having these set times of go to sleep at this time. Don't eat past nine o'clock, but then also if you want to sleep better, make sure you

have the room completely dark. Makes a huge difference. Yeah. It's a lot of things to keep on top of. But dude, this Andrew guy is crushing it though. I feel like his... Do you think his routine, like since he knows all this information, do you think he's super disciplined about this?

He felt like it to me when he was talking about it. Like he does it all. Like when he knows something, he's learned to, he's like, that's what I do. From now on. I mean, just to talk about keeping the room dark when you sleep and then having the 11 minutes of cold plunge and 38 minutes, I mean, he had it all scientific. He had the dates ready in the times, you know. Yeah, he's a smart dude. I mean, there's a lot to learn from him for sure. And I really do like him coming on. I hope he's like a new staple on the J.R.E. I'm pretty sure he is. I'm definitely going to staple, en la la JRE, es muy seguro.

Yo estoy definitivamente Going to Listen to his podcast again, por supuesto, él me pide la lista. Pide la lista. All right, let's jump over to Paul Versey. ¿Sabes? Versa.

Versa. All right. A ver, pero ¿cómo es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero? A mover una bicicleta a rastar dos cajas de libros y levantar un orden microondas, para coger una chancla. ¡Ah, vale, vale! ¿A dónde vas? ¿Tú con ese chancla, eh? ¿A dónde vas, Tru?

Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio, sorteo extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad. Sorry Paul. They got right into the Indian Earth Indians. Excuse me, the aliens. The UFOs right away. The Indians. Mm.

Yeah, his dad's seeing a UFO. I mean, he kind of set the scene well because it was, you know, I've got like a traditional Italian dad. He's like one of the guys. He's like, hey, but he can't also have this like one wacky thought because, you know, those guys are good at keeping each other in check, like ripping on each other when they are doing, you know, silly things. And now all of a sudden he has this truth that he knows about.

He's like, oh shit. I now believe in a UFO. I don't know what to do with this. I can't tell anyone. It's, that's wild. Well, it's, it's wife busted a matter party. That was, she would, she would basically say, Hey, honey, why don't you tell me about the,

the flying saucers. Tell me about the flying saucers. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's how you become known as like the crazy guy. That's the dude. But 73, is that what he saw? Was it 73 or 78?

I think early on. Yeah. But like right in front of him though. He witnessed it. Pretty freaking close. I don't know what I would think if, like just think, just imagine that scenario right now. And it's like, think of our group, you know, here, like the friends we have.

And then one of them tomorrow was like, Adam and about what they saw. Now, I'd be curious and like, asking a lot of questions. And I want to believe, and I'd be into the idea of it. But I still would be trying to pick it to pieces. And then eventually over the weeks after that story was told, they're not going to be telling it every day, you just would either start to forget about it or just be like, yeah, I don't really know why he would have saw. It just seems like something that you generally wouldn't believe until you saw it yourself and then it's like you're stuck in that

You know it's like being on an island all to yourself. It's like no one else is gonna believe that shit I believe it, but I've seen some UFOs man. It depends one particular time on it depends who it depends who would say it to you though True let's be fair Like you know people that you're just, you can easily dismiss most of the things that they say, God bless them. And if it came from one of them, you'd be like, I did. Great. True. But Paul's dad does not seem like that guy after he paints a picture of his, his old Italian father, right? Is scared to tell people the story because he knows they're going to think he's crazy that almost adds more legitimacy for sure that's what's nice about it you know it but this guy also seem very

honest you know Paul like talked a lot about his panic attacks and you know he didn't even try and tie them to something he wasn't even like yeah, my life was such a mess. Some people would like to justify how they feel with the events in their life instead of just being like, I don't know why. I just felt like this. And I don't know. Well, he talks about his parents separating at a pretty young age, but he didn't mention that within the context of the panic attack, did he? I don't know, because he was like much older. Right.

I think it was like weighing the comedy and... Right, it was it was it was from something that happened when he was doing a standup, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it was like outside of his own body, just like watching the comedy happen and like freaking out. I just love to see the stigma of that sort of stuff being erased

and people talking about it. You know, a comic from New York who you wouldn't think typically, stereotypically, you wouldn't think would talk about something like that. And he's just nonchalantly telling the whole world on Joe Rogan about it, which is great. You do notice that with guests that, you know, what was the guy's name, DeFresco, the comedian, he was like talking about just like high school and growing up and how he felt around women

and how he feels about himself. And there's like an interesting honesty that comes from a lot of these comedians, which I think is part and parcel what makes them good because they realize if they tap into that and then tell their jokes from that space, it really works. Or maybe those, they're the comedians that end up doing well is the people that can get that. But yeah, there's like a beautiful honesty that comes from those things.

Well, the best jokes are those personal jokes, right? Anytime you can relate to somebody's personal history, it makes it way more funny because you can think about a particular event that happened in your life. Yeah, we're like, oh yeah, I can relate to that, dude. That's hilarious. That happened to me in high school.

Some of it, though, too, is like, you know, a lot of the stories that they tell, even though they sound very personal, don't always happen to them. Like, a lot of it's a lie, really. But like, it's not a bad lie. It's just a lie to make the story work for comedy. I think what helps them almost more so be honest

is about themselves and how they feel and that's why comedic podcasts are so popular. They're not always that funny, if you notice that. Totally. They're just good, really interesting. And it's because they're great storytellers and they can get to the meat of things Right, but you know they so much of comedy is Almost being willing to be laughed at so it just teaches you to be comfortable being that vulnerable in a sense But a lot of them a lot of these

Comics aren't comfortable. He mentioned that a few times about how even just, what was it, Chris Rock's mom and her friend was in the audience and just having, he was having a bad night on stage or whatever people might have been not catching his jokes, just hearing laughter from her, you know, and him being honest about, hey, those little bits of laughter got me through the night. The rides. But that's good to hear though, for them to be honest.

I mean, it made me think about when I leave a restaurant and I say, and I go and think the cooks if I've had a good, and maybe because I've worked in a restaurant before. So I get it. Those little bits, if that one person comes up to the kitchen and says, hey man, that meal was awesome. Thank you so much. That'll make your night. Oh yeah.

That's huge. And you forget about that. Those little bits of gratitude that will really save somebody from having a really shitty night or just like, hey, at least that one person was into it, so I feel a lot better. It made one person's night, so I at least don't have to feel like shit the rest of the evening. They've got to at least get your food right first, though, right? They got to earn it. Imagine if they're having a shit night and everything they make is terrible.

It's like, I'm not going to get, look, I'm sure they're having a tough day, but I'm not going to tell them it's good. I'm not going to pretend. It's hard to cook. It a tough day, but I'm not gonna tell him it's good. I'm not gonna pretend. It's hard to cook. It's hard to cook in a bad mood. Have you noticed that? I've been there. Yeah, I haven't cooked in a restaurant, so I mean, even just cooking on the grill, man.

I'll mess up some burgers if I'm thinking about other shit and I'm not. That's true. I guess you don't have the passion for it during that time, you know? I guess you just don't talk about the passion. I mean, Paul, like 20 years, grueling it out in comedy before he really made a name for himself. I think it was about that. And, you know, that's a hustle, guys. I mean, wow. How many times do you think his wife could have said to him, listen, honey, we've got kids like maybe move on and do something else? And it sounded like she was very supportive of him. And you know, just also that frustration that he was having like you'd been killing for a long time

But wasn't getting really any notoriety for it. I Mean that's very difficult Especially when you like I don't really know how you wouldn't build a lot of resentment from that too because You know, he would have known a lot of comedians in that space and you, a few of them here and there would have been picking up a lot of traction while he's not. It's that's incredibly painful, you know, journey. It's hard enough as a comedian, but like for it to go that long. Now, thank God, he's like, yeah, he's on Rogan. People are watching his special like he's really he's that. His energy got him through it for sure, just that positive energy.

I mean, is that when they brought up the Jefferson quote, comparison is the thief of joy? Yeah. You know, if he sat and compared himself to everybody the whole time, maybe he wouldn't have gotten through that. I doubt you could, you couldn't do it. I mean, to go that long, yeah, there's no way you would have

but you would have quit after year five of trying to do it. That is a really good quote. So good. But like there's a lot more to it than just the quote, you know, like you could say it to yourself a lot. Maybe it helps, but you have to really examine why you feel bad about other people doing well. I think it's an inner, I think it's mostly that you're not trying hard enough in yourself and maybe you're projecting that onto others, at least for me, because I've done it plenty of times. I feel like we all do it. But people have like real resentment against people that start to do successful things. And that seems really unusual to me, especially if you know the person well, because if you want that as well, they could help you figure it out.

Totally. Well, I think there's a maturity to it. You get to a place where at least I would hope you start seeing your buddies do good and it makes you feel good. Some people are just bitter, man. They're bitter because they're not doing good themselves. I think that's what happens is you start maybe comparing or getting envious when you're not doing good.

But just seeing others hurts, which it shouldn't. It's horrible that that happens. But does that mean that that person wasn't really your friend? Any Eva? I don't do. Does that mean that that person wasn't really your friend? Any, ever? I don't do. I don't, I don't do that with people I don't like very much. If, if somebody I don't like very much, um, starts to do really well, I, I,

I think it kind of makes me like a more because a lot of times when I don't like someone, I think they're a lazy piece of shit. And it annoys me. And I'm just like, I don't trust you, you're not reliable, you don't show up, the things that you say that you do. And it's like becomes this frustrating argument and then in the end, I just don't like them.

But that's because you're a motivated person. So you being motivated, you see other people doing good shit and making things happen, that excites you because you're like, oh, you're not being a lazy piece of shit anymore. What I'm saying is when you're a lazy piece of shit and you're kind of down on yourself already and you see people doing good,

you're projecting your own shit onto them. So it's not even, you're not even really mad at them even though you think you are. You're mad at yourself for being a lazy piece of shit. Oh, it like reminds you. Right. So if you're crushing it, or you're doing good, you feel good about yourself,

and you see other people doing that, especially your friends. Rogan talks about this all the time. He wants to help these people. Like Rogan's crushing it. Yeah. He wants to see these people crush it. He's already feeling good about himself.

He wants to help others. So I think it's real, it's due about himself. He wants to help others. So I think it's real. It's due to comes down to just a mental issue. Yeah, I still get mad myself when I know that I'm being a blazy piece of shit. But it doesn't make me think about anyone else. Really? Well, because you get selfish when you're depressed. I do. Anyway, I'm speaking for myself. Oh, no, I see what you mean. Yeah. Right. I'm just trying to think through my process of like, what do I feel like on those days? Oh, like often, I'll get mad at myself for not doing what I need. I do feel guilty for like letting people down. Like, I can tell I'm not like bringing the energy to them.

If I have to do something with them that day, like that one makes me feel bad. But is that a comparison or is it more just a sense of responsibility, man? That's your energy, that's because your energy levels are typically so high and you're fun to be around. So when you're not feeling yourself, you're not feeling like you're bringing that energy that you typically do, it makes you feel bad. It makes you feel guilty.

I do that all the time too. That's probably the worst of it really. And as a comic, I could see how it could be so hard if you've been bust and asked for 20, you said 20 years. Oh, dude, that's so long in comedy. But it seemed like his process was, he was always helping others. He's a family guy. He was a good dude.

He's a family guy. Yeah. So I feel like a lot of that is he's, there was another quote about family here. He said the greatest thing a man can do for his children is love their mother. That's excellent. How good is that?

Oh, that one got me, dude. That one got me hard. We're gonna get away with so much. Thanks to that quote. That's the kind of thing your wife will put up in the bathroom. It's the, you're like, damn it. I love, Joe's talking about, Bill Burr,

and they're just talking about, God, some people, you know, they'll just bring you down. If we're gonna go on this rant about feeling down or whatever, Bill Burr can just, he can feel down but he can make you laugh about it. Oh yeah. You know, it's like his complaining is good for everyone.

So good. He really has found the cheat code to complaining, because nobody wants to listen to a complainer ever. And he does it in such a way you can't wait to hear it. And I think it's also his way of cheering himself up about how annoyed he is about whatever the thing is he's talking about, because it's just fun for everyone. It's so good. It's a genius move. He might be the best of that. I can't think of a betta complain of in Bilba. Well, they said that. And also how Rogan doesn't have time or the ability to be bored. I thought about that because I feel like I've been getting

bored here and there. You know, when you work too much, you feel bored. I thought about that, because I feel like I've been getting bored here and there. You know, when you work too much, you feel bored, you want to do more things outside or whatever. And Rogan's just saying, I don't do it. I don't have the time to be bored. He said he doesn't even understand it, which I don't...

I would like him to like expand on that, because I was like, do you really not know? I mean, I definitely know. And I know it's always because I'm not, I'm not doing something right, you know what I mean? Like there's something, because there's always something interesting.

So it's usually a feeling, but I've definitely been bored a lot in my life. So to think that someone could get to what, what is he 54? And doesn't actually know, like he has an experience that it's like, whoa. Yeah, I was jealous of that. Yeah, I would love to hear more of that. That annoyed the, almost annoyed me. Maybe that was a comparison.

I'm like, that's damn it, Joe. Is that seriously a thing that I could have been doing all this time, but no. Yeah, he doesn't have time to build a deck. Mm-hmm. Won't play golf because it takes too much time. Good. Keep it up, Joe. I'm not getting pulled into that either.

I don't have time. Oh. We on to Segura. No, I wanted to finish up with something that he was talking about. Let me just look at my notes. Yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit more just about it, his panic attacks and like how vulnerable and honesty was about it. And it's an important thing to talk about because yeah, you don't need justification for that. Like if you feel that way,

I hope people feel like they can talk about it with anyone else. I remember when it happened to me, I had one when I was in Santa Monica right before I left for Boseman. It's the only one I've ever had. And I almost couldn't stop talking to people about it because I was like amazed, terrified and fascinated by the fact that it could even happen.

Or the fact that it happens to so many people on the regular. Right. That's what's so scary. It gave me a lot of empathy for people that have that happen. I didn't know it was a thing. I was always like, you know, a voice of the girl, a kid. But wow. I mean, very real, very scary. I mean, just the feeling of not being able to breathe. I remember that. I've had one for sure, and I can remember the day, and I don't ever want it to happen again. And it was a financial thing.

It was like freaking out about money, right? Which seems silly. Now, I can look back at it and kind of laugh at it. But I guess you didn't know. You didn't know at the time, right? At the time, it just felt like how are we ever gonna make this happen? How is this, you know, financially,

how is this gonna work? This is a silly idea. And it just, you just, this negativity gets in your head. And that's what, that's what happened with me anyways, where it was just this, and it compounds on itself, and it's this spiral of, how could I actually think about this many negative things at once? And then I couldn't breathe. Did it, did it start to like speed up, like a snowball? Did it just get faster and faster? And then, you know, my wife was there to help me through it.

She's had panic attacks before I've seen them. And, you know, she suffers from, she can have really bad anxiety attacks and they turn into panic attacks. And it's, I, again, I had never understood it before. And then when you go, when you go through it, like you said said this empathy happens But yeah, it was it was this negative

Spiral of just you think of one thing negative and then you think of the worst Thing that could happen like oh my god. We're gonna you know, we're gonna go bankrupt We're gonna this is never gonna work and then all of a sudden You know, I'm the silliest person for thinking this way. And, you know, then it's like, oh my god, nobody trusts me. I'm silly with money. It was all these financial problems that I just kept. They all linked together, right?

Peacing together in my head and it's all nonsense. That's the thing. It was really, it was nonsense. But we had never spent this type of money. It was when we bought our house, and it just, it freaked me out. It was like, I went from basically living in, you know, a $600 a month apartment to like, oh my God, we're gonna spend how much on a home,

and my mortgage is gonna be how much, and I felt like it was something that I never, I never realized that money could do that to my mind. Like I had never, I just had never experienced that. I was just so scared about being in this financial turmoil, dude. That's what did it for me. I don't, I don't know. Well, I guess it doesn't matter what the thing is almost, right? It's like any different person can have a negative thinking spiral

down over any issue as long as the issue itself means enough to them. But it's just the idea that that people can't talk about it. They don't have somebody to talk to and imagine being in fear of that event happening multiple times, not knowing when it's happening and not having support around you. Sounded like his wife was very supportive through that, which is awesome. Yeah, it's scary to think that that happens to people all the time. Because you and I both had this happen, I've had it happen once, you've had it happen once. And I...

That's enough for me. Dude. 41 years, thank you. But you talk about empathy, and it really does create this empathy, this empathetic notion towards others. Like, I feel their pain now. And yeah, it's rough, man, to see just the amount of people that are going through that. I'm glad that Paul is like pulled out of it. He said, running out.

I think any exercise is so huge for that. Yeah, but he eventually built up the running. His therapist said, go walk the dog, go out the running on, and then, you know, that's definitely a good move. If you're feeling stressed and anxious just generally, then I would say figure out what exercise you're already doing, maybe add 10%. You know, obviously you can't do that forever. If you're still stressed and you're like running all day long, that's not going to help, right? But, um, yeah, add a little bit to it.

That's probably useful. I did that last week, ran to the office four miles, and I could hardly walk for the last five days. Yeah, just nice shoes. Just nice shoes. Just hurting it. miles and I could hardly walk for the last five days. Yeah, he looks exhausted. We got it. Just hurting it. So start small. Start small. All right, Todd's extreme. He's in extreme spullet sky. All right, let's jump over to Tom Segera. I'm going to finish this one out. Tommy boy. What a legend. And what a success. He wrote a book. His comedy is, you know, just crushing it. His toll is supposed to be beyond epically massive to, you know, what did he say? Did like something like

like 230 shows or something in a year? That's crazy. Yeah, I don't understand it, but he's crushing. And he's funny. Love that guy. I had no idea he wrote a book. That's great. I'll have to pick it up. Yeah, Tom's funny.

I bet the book is funny too. I mean, him and his wife are really talented on that. Your mama's podcast, it's great. And it's wild to, I think it's way out of control. I like how different it is to from Rogans. It's way more like old school radio. You know, they bring like different celebrities in, they chat with them.

It's super casual. They had like Tommy Lee in with his girlfriend and they just going into it almost like, it feels a little bit like, a kind of like an opian Anthony almost, you know? How was Tommy Lee's girlfriend? She was like a TikTok star, right? Or no, she was a...

She was a... What was it before TikTok? There was like the... You could do the five or the seven seconds, right? It was a thing before TikTok. Anyway, she was one of those stars. I don't know the name of it. There was another thing before TikTok before TikTok. Yeah, they don't even really use TikTok to be honest. I don't need there. And well, in Sigura talks about TikTok and they brought it up towards the end of the podcast, but we can get to that about just the the privacy laws that are happening right now. Anyway, so Gura, he's good at his honesty. We were talking about that with Paul. With Paul, and just, he just has good stories about his mom and his dad and just growing up

and just being so honest about his own life. And whether those stories are real or not, they sure seem real, especially with his mom, you know, being from South America, he just gets into it. I'm sure they are like, with his stand up, maybe no. Maybe they're like, exaggerated for comedy, but I mean, if he's talking about it on the podcast, yeah, it's real. Like, these are things that happened, for sure. No doubt. And yeah, Tom is, he definitely seems super honest. I mean, they're getting back into sober October, trying to bring butt back in.

I think that just desperately trying to keep butt alive at this point. Joe seems worried about him. The machine? Yeah, it's like, it less of a joke for Joe every year. And obviously, he's crushing it, he's doing so well, he's torn all the time, he's making tons of money. But the hot is a thing, you gotta take care of. Well they talk about the persona of, you know, you get into this persona or persona of who you are on stage

and it bleeds into your life. Oh yeah, he's drinking like who doesn't want to do a shot with, with, with, uh, with Bert. But yeah, I mean his, he has to tell the machine story every time. Mm-hmm. You know, everybody knows it. He has to tell it. But when that bleeds into your life, man, it's scary. I mean, it happened with prior. It happened with Sam. What Sam's, uh, can't think of his last name.

Anyway, Kenison. Kenison, thank you. Mm-hmm. You can't, you couldn't go out and see Sam without him being Sam on stage right so when you see bird Is it sounds like he's the same way he is on stage when you see him out in public No, I mean he just he's just his thing now, but say in that I mean people used to say that about Ron white Because he was always have have it is whiskey. I mean, sorry added added tequila company, just having tequila. Smoking a cigar. He quit, did the ayahuasca quit, and now that's not him.

So I don't think that you're as enslaved to your persona as people think. Like they would still love, but if he took his shirt off, if he did this, but every few months, he said, hey guys, I'm not drinking for these few months because I'm worried about my health and I wanna be here to make more comedy for you guys.

People would love that. People would love that too. I don't think people would be disappointed. No, it's just bringing honesty again. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He'd be great at that. And I think it would almost be funnier. If like, I don't know how ripped you can get at his age,

but if he just like went full board health and then he's like ripping his shirt off and has abs, I think it could be almost better. Well, I mean, Sigerah's gone through quite a bit of weight change. I mean, he's looking pretty damn healthy right now. Yeah, he's a lot slim and then he used to be for sure. For sure. I mean, he was getting big in his thirties. And he's holding together now.

Some mid forties. Some 40s. Yeah, probably mid forties. Late, maybe late forties. The kids are keeping him in check. I'm sure. Keep busy. Oh, let's get to the TikTok thing then.

Yeah, so the US government just put it, I don't know if it's a law, or they just put a proposal out to Apple and Google to ban TikTok. Because of the privacy issues, right? Yeah, there's like too much spyware going on in the, it's like recording all of it. Glad I'm not on TikTok. But I also I think it's a lot of what Joe talks about too and they don't

they don't position it this way because it's the government, you know, they don't really tell us what they're up to. I don't think directly, you know, they have talking points to sound good. So it's a good selling point to tell us. Oh, yeah There's a lot of spyware in that which there probably is so it's reasonable and it's true But I also think that maybe there's a concern just like Joe is saying that hey, they They have a different tick tock in China Mm-hmm, and it like helps kids teaches them and it shuts off at a certain time. Yet they have this and let's be honest, the very popular product in this country that

is mostly nonsense. Silly fun things but like they're not changing the way that we get it all and that kind of takes advantage of our freedoms. Because it's like, yeah, we don't put restrictions on stuff, but you've made something as addictive as, you know, it was crack, but it's like social media crack. I would say mostly, right? It's mostly for dances and silly little skits in the states. But I have

seen quite a bit of people leaving other platforms to go to TikTok because it hasn't been as censored. You know, talking about the truckers in Canada, for instance, I've seen people get on there and just on TikTok and talk about that. And it's actually a really good avenue for those types of political issues. Now, will that get censored now? I don't know. I'm sure it will. I have so little experience with TikTok. I don't know. I haven't even really considered what benefit it could have because I haven't really played with it at all. But I do think that this censoring thing on social media is taking its down a slippery slope. I mean, I occasionally share some stories, and I don't really look at where it the account

came from, but it'd be like a funny meme or just something that happened, and I go to share it, and it's unavailable right away. It always is from like whatever particular account this is. And I'm like, who gets to decide that? That meme was pretty innocuous. It wasn't offensive. It's just like, but it's almost like everything banned from certain people is banned. Even if they've been following, like like you can't share it at all.

They've made it like almost impossible for that person to get any more followers. Yeah, I've seen it happen to friends who are, you know, non-COVID believers. I've seen it happen to other people, you know, during, I feel like it escalated after Trump, you know, it was one of those things and it's really definitely escalated since COVID. For sure sure for sure even if if there's like a questionable thing that you bring up and they talk about the Fauci Story that Kennedy wrote which I need to read that it sounds great. Yeah, I Didn't realize he His voice got screwed up from a vaccine

Right, that's I didn't know that. I mean, that's probably why he is his voice got screwed up from a vaccine. Right, I didn't know that. I mean, that's probably why he seems to go in the direction of non-facts, right? Regardless, what I was getting at is there's this agenda that's happening with these bigger companies and whether it's TikTok or Facebook or maybe YouTube's a little bit more relaxed, That's happening with these bigger companies and whether it's TikTok or Facebook or You know, maybe YouTube's a little bit more relaxed, but it's scary to think that

Unbiased news only happens on podcasts pretty much at this point. Right. That's freaky, man Yeah, there's only a few people that do podcasts that have really solid news. I mean, please, God, don't ever think that what you're hearing on this podcast, folks, is news. Well, and it's not. Well, the other scary thing is that podcasts aren't news, but you're getting a lot of your people are getting their news from podcasts, which is also scary because it's not news. Well, they're just running out of places that they trust. At least they trust what they hear on a podcast. Even if it's, you know, they trust the person, they know that that person is doing their

best to figure something out. It's like, not a bad start. Right, but this is entertainment. And I've thought about this quite a bit about now. Well, but that's not, hold on, but like Ben Shapiro has a good show where he does a lot of research, whether you like his political bendings or not, I mean, he's very Republican, but does a lot of work. Still not a journalist though. No, he's not a journalist, true.

Right. And then where, you know, where are these, we're not seeing sources, we're not seeing facts. What about Saga? Saga from from talking points they have their own podcast now and it's they're both journalists right and and again it depends on what you're listening to it's scary to think that because the news media is so untrustworthy at this point that people they don't have many avenues to get their news. Yeah, agree. Yeah. Because things are getting censored.

And, you know, if you have to get your news from podcasts, that is also a little bit scary. I mean, it's great that we can talk about whatever we want, but it's scary that there's no trustworthy news sources to go to that are unbiased. They're just, I mean, what are they to that are unbiased. They're just, I mean, what are they? Where are they? Yeah. Well, I mean, podcasts of the new information source,

you know, it definitely is separated itself from like what social media is and people get information from that. It's just a different thing. It's so much longer, it, so much rora, you know. It's like you really get enough time to figure out. Like people are listening to us now and they've, they can decide fairly soon, like how much they think we know about something and not. So, okay, we can trust them this much on this, but most of everything else, nonsense, which is important to do, guys.

Alright? And, but we all do it with podcast. I was listening to Sam Harris the other day. He had these two super geniuses on talking about, like, how basically the way we've oriented the world and the United States, we're headed for collapse. And it's shocking. It's a shocking hour. But why it's so riveting is Sam, we all know his credentials, amazing. Then he brings up these two other people and they couldn't, their list of accolades

gone forever. And the way that they speak is so perfectly articulated and even the way they interact with each other, these two opposing people that Sam had on, they are super considerate and polite to each other's points and then go back and forth. It's like that, that's a lot, like when I'm listening to it, I basically outsource my own brain to just believing everything that's saying is true to some degree. So maybe that's maybe we're at the future news then. That's what it is because you're not going to get that on any news source now,

not when, you know, the only, well, first of all, they said two, only two countries that allow pharmaceutical advertising. New Zealand, you only, well first of all, they said only two countries that allow pharmaceutical advertising. New Zealand, US, yeah. Yeah, 75% of the advertising on mainstream media right now is from pharmaceutical companies in the US. That's so fucked. I mean, you've seen it when they talk about all of the problems.

Yeah. This drug will give you anal leakage. Yeah, anal leakage, dude. Stay away. It's always an oliecage with these drugs. Can they not just take that bit of the drug out? When you think about 75% of our advertising on mainstream media on everything that is on the television. People just need to stop watching that stuff, man. It's real bad. Talking about things, people should stop watching as they talk about porn at the end and how

easy it is to get a hold of now. Now, Todd and I grew up in the 80s, early 80s. So we both definitely are guilty of borrowing or getting a hold of really dodgy VHS tape. I could relate to the scrambling of the television. I think it was Red Shoe Diaries for me. He talked about the Spice Channel. Uh-huh. Yeah, just waiting to see it. Waiting to see a nap. It's all about the nap. Scramble. It's scary to think. And now you can just get a smartphone and see

anything. I don't know what the effects of that are, but it's a way different world. What do you think? You got Harold Zenzo now, your son. He'll be two in a couple months. Two. When does he get a smartphone? I'm hoping you can stay away from it. I'm worried about his little tablet that he has that only, you know, we only allow about an hour a day and that's even, I feel like that's too much, man, but sometimes mom and dad need to sleep a little. But yeah, something I don't want to think about right now, honestly, because it, it, they get so hooked on those things, man. I mean, he woke up the other night talking about wanting to play his tractor game on the tablet, because he's finally figured out how to actually move the thing around and

interact with this little tablet. It freaked me out. I had a conversation with my wife this morning about how we need to do less time on his little tablet. And that's just kid games. I mean, we've looked at the games that we've downloaded and they seem legit. They're not, you know, they're not scary. There's no fighting or whatever, but it's just like riding on a tractor. But it's freaky how addicted they get to those things. I mean, we all do. Yeah, it's like we're getting better,

a better at making all the types of things that we're into, super addictive, to wear regular life, which is like hanging out with people, talking to them, maybe going out into nature, maybe going out into nature or just exploring like a new area in town. It's like, it makes sense to me that there are kids stuck in a basement somewhere playing of an online game 24 hours a day. Because I'm not surprised that we figured out the best way to capture someone's attention or a lot of people's attention. It's even during this podcast, we've talked about social media, the struggles of it, news, whatever. It's like we have to trick ourselves to pull away from these things.

It's like we've made addictive things in every direction we look. So many addictive things and it takes us away from stuff that would at least make us feel better. Takes you away from feeling in general. Just feeling. Stimuli, dude. Too much. It brings you away from all the feels. Too much, man.

Well, on that note, stay away from social media, folks. If you can. And video games. What else will you stay away from? Stay away from it all.. If you can. And video games. What else will you stay away from? Stay away from it all. Get to the cold plunge. Sona and uh... Workout routine.

That's it. It seems like that. It's over and over again. We're gonna remind you every week. We're right. Remind ourselves. That's right. We're right.

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