Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 284 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chris Williamson Et al.

Episode Date: August 11, 2022

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Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. This week we have Chris Williamson, Sam Tripoli, Jeremy Colbell, UFO extraordinaire. Join us always by Todd Lee. What's happening? Hey buddy, good week on the pond. What'd you think? Yeah, really good. Did you trust him?

Did you have a favorite this week? It's got to be Chris, man. Yeah, I think Chris was my favorite too. It had never had never heard of the guy loved his, I just loved his energy and just, I mean, he's only 34. I would have never guessed that. I would have never guessed his age. Yeah, he seemed wise. He's had access to a lot of very fascinating people. And what I like about it is like he seems in this like intensive study of behavior and reflection. I mean, how many times did he

talk about it? It seemed like to me that the most important thing that he's learned in his life is to say that he was wrong. Yeah, I like that. Or and also, I mean, we'll get into this. But at the end, he really talked about how you pick a few things that you're really good at or really figure out what you suck at, right? Figure out what you suck at. And that was, that was near the end of the pod. But it reminded me of he really knows what he wants. And he's so passionate about getting there and talking to the right people to get there. Yeah, I mean, look, he's obviously been a popular person,

a great networker. I mean, this is what those club promoters are all about. But I think it gets to a point where you realize the pinnacle of that type of life in a lot of ways is just like girls, parties, personas, and like he was saying, he wasn't sleeping, he felt depressed, he couldn't understand why his life should have been the ultimate best thing ever. Right. It wasn't working. And that's that is probably like a scary thing for people because then, I mean, what's he going to do?

Turn around and be like, well, I'm still handsome. In great shape. Everybody wants to hang out with me. Yet I feel terrible. And I have money. Like how do I justify this? Well, I mean, he was saying he kept he kept Personifying like different people, right? He was he was a different person depending on who he talked to right

So I think he just felt fake dude. Yeah, he just felt like a fake person. He wasn't himself There's so much fakeness in that lifestyle though. That's it. For sure. I mean, it's fun. And probably everyone's like, man, I wish I could be cool like that guy. And he doesn't even know who he was. I mean, I think it's just a part of life. You realize you grow out of wanting to party all the time.

Hopefully. I mean, even if you don't have kids, he doesn't have kids. But he realized that this lifestyle, I mean, obviously he's insustainable, but he just realized that it wasn't for him. And I think a lot of people just pretend, and he didn't want to pretend anymore.

He didn't want to pretend to be this promoter dude anymore because it wasn't fulfilling, like you said, he wasn't sleeping, and he was like, fuck it. I got to figure something out. I wonder if he knew some promoters that were like five or 10 years older than him. It was still like in the game. It's like when you work at a bar and like working in really popular bars is fun when you're young. It's great. You get to know everyone. You have some drinks. You get paid good money. like it's a fun time. But there's always a few people that work in that bar that are older, quite a bit older sometimes.

They often have drinking problems. There's often quite a bit of depression in that and they feel trapped because they kind of missed a window to get out and do something else. Yeah. Maybe Soul, some of those promoters was like, oh my God, I can't be this. I think so. He must have. I mean, he didn't really mention that there was a huge downfall or a come to, you know, Jesus moment with him. I don't think he hit rock bottom.

He didn't talk about that. He just he just said I know this for me. Yeah, like he just didn't feel good and and wanted to feel better. You know, and now has gone into the modern wisdom podcast, which i.e. have not checked out yet. I am curious to do it. It sounds good. Yeah, I wrote it down. I want to check it out. Yeah, but definitely a very inspiring guy, right? Absolutely. What did you think about? I mean, you're from the UK. He talked about people from the UK not really inclined, people from the states and getting things done and really having this extra drive to really perform better and be anything you want to be mentality that Americans have.

It's North Americans. Yeah, I don't think it's so much that. Like there were plenty of people in England that are very successful and do very well. But they're not as encouraging. When that seems to be coming up over and over on Rogan podcast, yeah, what is that? They don't want people to do good.

I don't know, but I know that it's true. Like in general, and I'm not speaking for everybody in the UK, they're a supportive people there, but generally, they kind of talk you out of difficult pursuits that you want to go for. You know, maybe like, ah, you know, you should probably just stay this corporate job that's a good job and then do the college. And, I mean, if you were just wanted to jump into something wilder, maybe more creative,

if you were like, oh, I want to be a stand up comedian or a YouTuber or, I mean, when I moved to LA, I got a lot of support. And I found my community for standup. And they were like, yeah, this is great. Do it. Put it. You're all in. I mean, it doesn't happen as much over there. I mean, how many British people have been on Rogan and said the same thing? Yeah. I mean, at least those two guys last week, Chris, you know, I can think of a couple of others. It's something people notice. And the Brits that I know that don't see it that way, they haven't spent any time in the US. It's just the US's people here are like, they just watch your passion,

and they love to see people with passion and going for something. And they're often generally supportive. I mean, these are all generalizations, but. Yeah, but it's, I've seen it. It's allowed me to do things like podcasting. It's allowed me to do things like stand up. You know, it's like, I don't know if I could have just focused on those things almost exclusively

if I'd lived in England. Yeah, he didn't mention actual negative role models that he had personally, but I really enjoyed his mentioning of negative role models being just as important as positive role models. I thought that was really cool. You know, it seen other people fuck up. It's probably just as good. I mean, you mentioned it.

Maybe he had a club promoter that he saw kind of on this downward spiral. Who knows? But having that to look at and say, oh my God, I don't want that to happen to me in 10 years, I better figure out what I want to do and do it and go hard. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of useful, right? I mean, you see a bunch of people driving on a road and one guy takes a corner too fast and slips off.

You're like, don't want to do that. Right? It's somewhat useful. But saying that, if what's the best way to exist, to be surrounded by incredible role models, or surrounded by a bunch of terrible ones and just try not to do what they did, that's a slippery slope. Like you still need to gravitate towards really good role models to get yourself out of the chaos. Yeah, I think it, I think the healthy mix of having both, right? They always talk about surrounding yourself with the, you know, who do you surround yourself with, right? Maybe you don't want those six people. I think they say five or six

people that you spend most of your time with are kind of the most important role models you have, right? Maybe one of those people is a piece of shit, I don't know. Or maybe that's just on the outskirts. Maybe that's just someone that you just know you don't want to be like. So you're not hanging out with that person, but knowing that seems like. But maybe you also are. You're just so amused by this person that you still hang out with them and it might be something to reflect on.

You know? I'm not trying to encourage people to just like, dig your friends, but if you got one real wild card, you probably gotta be pretty careful. Yeah. He, Chris seemed very interested in masculinity in the, in the, in the modern world.

And Rogan talks about this a lot. I don't know what the answer is. I don't know, you know, what did he say? There are, there are positive aspects of masculinity still that maybe we don't see as being positive now in the modern world, like taking care of women. And yes, opening the door for women, obviously, that's something that looks, we look at positively, but there's some things that maybe look misogynistic that in the past were just masculine things.

And so where do we stand? I mean, that's a question we can't answer. But it seems to be something that he's very concerned about or he thinks about a lot. Yeah, I mean, you know, he's a masculine man. So he's thought about this a lot. And really, what is the answer out there? I mean, you have to support the people you're with.

You know, if you're a man in a relationship, I mean, we were talking about it earlier, right? Yeah. We bring, we try to bring the best versions of ourselves to the table. Because there's lots of ways you can, we actively fuck things up all the time, like you and I even do it. As man, yeah.

Yeah, of course, and in general do it. As men, yeah. Yeah, of course, and in general. But you bring the best self to the table, and then, you know, whatever energy is left over, you give it to your relationship in that sense, right? At best. Otherwise, you're always at some sort of deficit. And maybe that's what the masculine message is. You know?

I like that message. Just being the best version of yourself, regardless, if, I mean, it's strange to think that some things that used to be looked, you know, like you're a big man or you're a strong man, are now looked upon negatively? I don't know. I don't know if we need to get into that. Well, but it's kind of related to men not expressing their emotions. So yeah, you're strong, you've got to work, you do all your things, you get home, you're

hardened, and yeah, you've got no like emotional energy for your family. Yeah. Because you kind of cold, because that was an effective way during hard times of being. You let any of the different emotions in that scene as a kind of weakness. And, you know, that's how you harden yourself against the difficulties of the world. Right. So the new masculinity then is to let those emotions out and talk about them as women like to do, talk about their emotions more so than men. I mean, not always, but I would say in general, I don't want to generalize, but in general, I mean, women want to talk

about emotions. Are you saying that, is that the new masculinity? I'm saying there's a time and a place. Like that's a useful skill too to be able to just lock it off, right? If you're in a VRE male dominated workplace, you just got to be that guy, you know, a lot of times. Hide your emotions. Nah, I don't know if that's really the best way to do it, but there are times you gotta lock it down.

I mean, if you just stop crying in a meeting, all of a sudden, because you've been emotionally effective, affected, there's probably not gonna work out well for you. It's gonna look strange. But to get home and not be able to express how you're feeling is gonna cause some problems. not be able to express how you're feeling is going to cause some problems. And, you know, women often know how to kind of receive that and hear it, and they want to express it. So we kind of, you know, if that's your part, now the door is open to that.

It needs to men don't do it all the time. Well, but I would say that I think that that's part of a new masculinity that we're experiencing in the modern world is that men are starting to experience that more emotional side. I don't think they're becoming less of a man because of that. They're becoming more of a man because of that. Because of that. The Rogan cries on the podcast. Fally often. Dude, I cried on a Subaru commercial when the kid got off the bus and went to run for his mother.

You have an arrest day. No, I just am a dad now. So I just could, I just felt that emotion from a stupid Subaru commercial. It's nothing wrong with that man. Yeah, I mean, whatever dude, I'm not ashamed of it, right? Is that masculinity to not be ashamed of those things? Probably owning how you feel is masculine and he does the Chris seems to do that you mentioned that earlier. Mm-hmm

Yeah, I mean they also mentioned some weird shit about I know psychopaths dude that yep That's one I had no time. Yeah, let's get into that dude Like scary. What I find interesting about that is he talked about the researcher that could scan your brain and basically see you're a psychopath. And then they had the control group out of the psychopaths. And it turned out the guy doing the study was a psychopath.

Was the guy that had all the... And when he looked into, you know, basically spoke to his family about it, or maybe somebody else did those interviews because that would be a better scientific approach. They were like, yeah, you're pretty closed off. You do this and that, but he's also not out there like killing animals

and acting on it. Right. But that gene is that, whatever that is. What do you say like 1%? I didn't write down the percentage. It wasn't a high percentage, but they did get into hereditary stuff and how crazy that is. Like taking two twins and realizing that no matter if they lived in the same spot or not, like I swear they were talking about twins and how hereditaryly they will have a percentage that's way higher whether alcoholics

or whether they suffer from depression or I don't think they go out into it. There's a big genetic component for sure. Absolutely. Because like he said, nobody denies height. That's right. That's right. 90% tile. Right. My dad was 65, um, six, three, a little shorter, but my mom is tiny. Right. So, but I still got a lot of that, right? But so then also, it wouldn't be crazy to think that I wouldn't pick up a lot of his mannerisms.

Now I never knew my biological father. He left before I was born. But my mom used to say that I exhibited behaviors that she'd only ever seen in him. And then I did it, which maybe, maybe she's just reaching. I don't know. But maybe also there's some things happening there. I see it in my two-year-old already and it scares the crap out of me

as far as just being impatient. Like if he gets mad at something, he'll throw his fucking fork down on the table. I don't know if other two-year-olds do that, but I know I did that when I was two-year-olds. I feel like, uh, yeah. There's got to be, I mean, why, why would there not be that? And, and then it also brings it to what he said, like how responsible men are people for their behaviors. I mean, we have laws, you've got

to hold everybody to the same sort of standard. But we all know people that struggle much harder with their own aggression than others, and that's going to get them in trouble. And if that is hereditary, like, it's a real bummer for them, you know, because it's almost not their choice in a sense. So it's not my fault that I have a temper. Hmm, well, but who knows? I mean, it's a redditary. Let's say that, let's just for the sake of argument,

50% is genetics and 50% is environment. So it's kind of like at the coin toss, but it really then is your responsibility, like let's say you identify something about yourself. Like let's pick tempo. Yeah, I have a tempo. It's okay. Yeah. So then it's very important for you, I would say, to like important for you, I would say, to like bring the controllable 50% up to its max. Yeah. Because you've got to stave off this compulsion that maybe is the uncontrollable factor. Whereas other parts of you are in good shape because you're just good at this.

It's easy for you. You can just do it. Right. So you already have like some genetic gift on that end. Yeah, you don't necessarily need to build up that end of it as importantly. Yeah. Maybe that's interesting, man. It's interesting. He had some fascinating elements of his thinking. I have one more thing before we stop talking about Chris Williamson. Right at the end, he was talking about picking the things I mentioned this earlier. Picking the things that you suck at, or you are okay with sucking at,

and focusing on the things you want to be good at, or you really want to strive for, and not trying to do everything, right? And this one really stuck with me. He said, procrastination is perfectionism, masquerading as quality control. And what he meant by that, and this one struck me because I'm a big procrastinator and I'm always like, oh, I'm a perfectionist, whatever. Dude, it's because exactly what he said, he said, I don't wanna do a thing until I know the exact direction I wanna go, right?

So I wanna make it, like if I wanted to, you know, do a podcast, for example, I wanna make sure that I know them, like what the solution is for the podcast and what we're gonna try to do and really have like a modus operandi, really nailed down before I start it. So then I never start it, right?

Because I'm just trying to make it perfect. I mean, he nailed it with that one. I've seen you do that too. Yeah. And it was great. Yeah, what's funny is when you just finally go and do one, it's fine, it's good. Just do it. Yeah. And I'm not quoting Nike there,

but just do it. That's the greatest slogan of all time. And why that, if that was the Dalai Lama that said that, it would literally be one of the most amazing quotes that have been repeated for all of time. It's like E equals MC squared. It just narrows it down to nothing because it's connected to a sneaker. It loses credibility, but that's a good saying. Shout out to Nike, not a sponsor today. Not a sponsor.

Also shout out to Nike, doing some good things. All right, let's jump over to Sam Tripoli and Get into this Lunatic and by Lunatic all do respect in a good way You know, I used to see him often at the comedy store He's been a comedian for a very long time, has fantastic podcasts and knows everyone in the comedy world.

Good comedian too. When any time that I've seen him perform at the store, he was great. But what I used to love about Simon is he spent a lot of time at the front bar, which is kind of like this outside area of the comedy store where everyone hangs out, like everyone has access to it. And he would come by, he would talk to everybody for one, which is always a cool thing that I like to see from comics, you know, they never thought they were too big for them, you know, their own boots, like he would like walk up to security and just start, hey, do you hear about this? What happened in China and like some sort of conspiracy,

thing that he would get into and get everyone brought up and people would use to it. So they were like waiting for like his daily update, just a great character. Waiting for that Coke energy, because he has it without being a Coke at anymore. I mean, he's sober now. Mm-hmm.

But sometimes it just, maybe that just gets into your DNA. No, he has it no matter what. Mm-hmm. I mean, that guy's got some energy, and he has a lot of good. Joe had to keep him on track a few times, bless him. Like, he wanted to get ahead of himself so many times and so quickly it was like oh dear here we go.

Yeah, my notes are all over the place. This one buddy. What is that? H-D-H-D squared. Wouldn't you take notes on that guy? Dude. What was it here? What do we got?

At the beginning he did say we are so much more like than we are different. I love that. It's true. It is. So if we like it or not, it is. We got, at the beginning, he did say we are so much more like than we are different. I love that. It's true. It is. Whether we like it or not, it is. You and I have talked about this. There's small amounts of things that make us different from each other.

The powers that be seem to want to just create this conflict. And I just really appreciated that comment from him. He said it early on. And it's true. Yeah, with the same species. He also said he wanted to become a wizard, which was great. He's definitely gone down some rabbit holes for sure. Boy sure. I mean, there's a lot here, man.

What do you have? I've got Admiral Bird from Antarctica. I've got Operation High Jump. I've got, I mean, yeah, that Admiral Bird thing. Let's get into it. In Antarctica. It was in the 60s. The 60s are 70s.

I didn't write down a date. Yeah, like a deal with the night. When Eisenhower was in, was the president, right? Mm-hmm. Or was he Vice? I don't know. Well, that was right was the president, right? Or was he Vice, I don't know. Well that was right before JFK, right? So he was president. But meeting, they had like 600 troops, I actually looked it up.

No shit. Yeah, I looked it up. There was 600 troops there. And they wanted to test vehicles in the Arctic region, right, in the cold weather. And I mean, according to what Sam said and according to, I think they looked up, they looked it up on Wikipedia, so who knows, that they found some notes from this admiral, right, a journal of his, like later on. And he

had mentioned that he met with some Nazis up there that had seen aliens, right, and the aliens came down and talked to the Nazis, right? And, and then, and then he got into saying that, that they made a deal with the, with these beans, right, according to this dude's journal, that they wouldn't go to war or they wouldn't do something, and then if the aliens could basically abduct people in national force, that's what I got out of it. Yeah, and that's why he was talking about these missing 411 people missing since then and they've all become they became missing in national force.

So kind of a weird thing, but anytime someone's been abducted according to this from what they were talking about has been in national force. Well, I mean, let's do the math. So, and they're also saying that the people that were abducted are German born and highly educated. So I don't know where you want to take that one. Well, let's just break that down. Let's see.

That's only like seven people a year. It's not a crazy deal. So it was a good deal. And they got rolled back a little bit of PTSD. I mean, I'm not saying it's a fun time, but there's worse deals the government has made. Let's be honest. If that's true.

Well, according to Sam, it's just that we're having a spiritual war. And look, Hey, man, a lot of the stuff that he is saying, I don't completely disagree with. Like I have an open mind as you do, but there was just so many that I, it was hard to follow because there was so many. Oh yeah.

And Joe had to kind of put him in his place a little bit like, okay, like when the, he pulled up the website, they showed kind of like the plot, quote unquote, for COVID. Well, if before there was any sort of pandemic, we got smart people together, like create a plan for how to deal with it, it might be fairly similar. Like, especially if it was just a thought project, it was just, it wasn't something not saying

that they wouldn't have taken it seriously, but they're like, okay, and this probably isn't gonna happen, but if it did, this is a way to deal with it. It would be fairly similar to how it went down. You know? I mean, I think the Wuhan, I know we're not supposed to call it the Wuhan flu, that's bad.

But I do think that it... The conflict. I agree with Joe when he mentions that it was a thing being worked on, a virus being worked on in China. Trump opened that back up. They were working on that stuff again. They already had a bunch of health regulations and violations at that particular lab. I don't think it came from a bat. I think it just, it happened and then we had to figure out what the heck we were going to do. How are

we going to fix this? I don't think we're smart enough to have this crazy plan to take over the world with a virus. That's insane. But yeah, Sam, you know, I appreciate Sam's thought process in this and I love the guy. I want to know. We need people like this, though. Yeah. We need people that are like as suspicious as he is because it raises the questions that then we can examine. And it's okay to dismiss it if we think, all right, we looked at this, but no, you know, but imagine if nobody was raising those questions. Imagine if everyone was like, oh, this can't be a conspiracy of any kind.

And we just accept it and we deal with the problem. And then nobody is like bringing this stuff up. Right. That could be worse, you know? And I think he's happy to just be seen as a bit of a cook. Yeah, he doesn't care. That's why you got to love the guy. It's brave. How about the regenerative farming?

Well, more so, the lab growing steak. Oh. I want to try some of that stuff, dude. How good did that steak look? I've, I've heard about this stuff. I had never seen a photo of it until they brought it up and it looks like a really good piece of wagyu beef. I mean, I want to try it and it looks so good.

I'm suspicious. How good would that be for the world though? I mean, that in my mind, that's the biggest problem as far as, I mean, it trumps transportation as far as CO2 and the methane gas and everything. They were talking about cows burping, which I hadn't heard of. I guess according to Joey was saying the burps are actually worse than the farts. It comes to cows.

But really, I think it's the deforestation, right, as well, right? Because everybody's eaten meat and we like meat. Okay. So how, yeah, I love meat. Cows are going to go yesterday. So we have to figure out, I love this idea of what were they calling it, cultured meat, cellular agriculture. Let's go.

Well, I mean, think about the biohavus stuff. I mean, that is what we were talking about with the growing supplements in a lab. I mean, that's the next gen seems like the future. So if we can just do that across the board and it tastes as good and takes no energy, I mean, you know, people that love animals though are going to be upset because a lot of cows are going to die because we won't need as many because they're pretty useless.

What are we going to do, have like wild cows? I mean, they said what farmers make up 1% of the population on earth. We're gonna, a lot of farmers are gonna go out of business if this stuff takes off and I think it needs to. That's true, but it needs to. It will be lab stuff. Maybe this is what Bill Gates is planning by buying on this land. What's he gonna do with the land? I don't know. Just own it. That would be nice. Put labs on that? I don't know. Just own it. That would be nice. Put labs on that?

Why doesn't he buy the rainforest then? Come on Bill. He probably has. I hope he has and I hope he doesn't do anything with it. Because there's probably a lot of plants and different medicines that we haven't even... I mean there's animals we haven't even discovered in those rainforests, dude. What about all the Germans in Argentina? Oh, yeah.

Should we look into that? It was killing me because he kept calling it Bariloche, and I have been to Bariloche. I've been there, and it's an amazing place, and it was weird, because when I was there, I remember thinking, why the fuck does this look like a German town? What? I swear to God, I've been there when I was there I remember thinking why the fuck does this look like a German town? What I swear to God. I've been there. I traveled there. Yeah, my girlfriend back in

2008 I think I went she was studying in Argentina. I was in college or maybe I'd just graduated Yeah, no, I'd actually been out of college for a few years already I went down there to visit and I would I spent probably a week, maybe a week and a half in Bariloche. It is beautiful. It looks a lot like Montana, Lakes, mountains. There's a ski hill there. Yeah, you're in the Andes. It's freaking incredible, but it looks like a German town. I was so confused when I was there. It's not like I was asking people why is this town look German. And then there you go, it's because fucking Nazi just discovered that town. Crazy. Yeah, I mean, it looks like a German town and you're in the middle of Argentina, it's so weird. You didn't ever ask anybody. I just thought

it was like a thing that they were trying to do to make it cool, you know, like, oh, we're going to make this like a theme town, you know? They they have that in the States Fair enough I don't like Disneyland. No, they like well, Levin worth Washington is an example that I'm thinking of But I think a lot of Germans live there. I mean you were young. Maybe you just didn't think of asking that question I definitely didn't think asking the question. I thought it was cool. I was like, oh, it looks like a German theme town. This is fun.

It's also kind of weird. You got to bring up those questions, though. And this is what sounds all about legend. Come on, Sam. I think he has like 14 podcasts, too. And I'm pretty sure that all about conspiracy theory. So if you're into it, listen to as many of them as you can. I think you used to have a one called the tin foil hat one.

Yeah. We have the Eddie Bravo. Maybe it still does. I've listened to a couple of those. They're very funny. Very funny. We've got to get Eddie Bravo back on. All right, let's jump over to Jeremy Corbell. Jeremy Jeremy. You know, this guy is the guy that will announce

the we found aliens. For sure. I gotta say though, why? I keep coming back to this. Why, I mean, Snowden said that he looked into it and he didn't find anything. It makes me think like, did somebody, did someone tell Snowden if you come out to the world

and tell people that there's no UFOs, like is he gonna get some sort of? No, he doesn't give a fuck, you went to Russia. Right, so why didn't, why didn't he find something? Okay, I have a theory for this. Let's hear it. Bear with me. Okay, I have a theory for this. What's here? Bear with me. Okay.

So we found the first, like, UFO potentially a Roswell. It may be. Okay. That was 1950. 1945. Okay. Something like that. Maybe I can't remember.

Let's look it up. So we find this craft. Okay. Maybe let's look it up. So we find this craft. Okay, maybe you could look it up well until the start. I'll look it up, you tell us. All right. And so we set up some sort of government kind of body to research this technology like we have it in front of us. So everything is paperwork, right?

Filing cabinets, paperwork, secure bases, we're expanding these bases, increasing security. We create Area 51. What is it? The S2. That was the other one that Lozara was working at, right? Right. And it was 1947, was when the Roswell incident occurred. Right. So just a couple of years after the nuke was dropped, which is interesting. Can I talk about that a lot about how we saw they have seen a bunch of UFOs since then,

right? We were doing a bunch of testing with nukes after that, especially with the Russians. And the Americans were too, like bigger and bigger nukes, like way bigger than we dropped there. Because when was an atomic bomb, then we made the hydrogen bomb, I think that was bigger, it just kept going. So we slowed down on that

because we realized it was a problem. But anyway, back to the idea of where it is. So it's all paperwork. And then we carefully can control where the information goes. Files aren't being sent places, they're only carefully being sent within places. Years later, the internet is created. What was it? Early 90s. I mean, I know Rogan talked to that guy that kind of invented the internet in maybe the 70s, but it was like four computers. I mean, the government sends a lot of their information back and forth through the internet, secured folders and files and everything's protected and all the rest of it.

But maybe with that program, because it's like, if you think about it, they have a ship. It's technology that can change the world, dominate the world. It has all the answers and we just have to figure it out. It may be the most protected thing that we've ever controlled. So they just never digitized those files. They just kept everything that locked down to where it's like old school because there was even from the first day of sharing information online, people could hack it. And they just felt like from day one, there's no advantage to putting it out there.

So then you've got Edward Snowden, who has access to everything the NSA has, right? The only, and there's no information on that, because they've just not put anything from the government in that like that area of Data sharing the only Fail to this little theory that I have is that there would be some people that would know about it That would share some things like how can Bob all be really the only major semi credible source that Had this information like you're telling me all the people that worked at area s2 or whatever it was

No one else said anything Well, no one how many times did Jeremy reference Well, no one. How many times did Jeremy reference shits about to get real and it's coming? And I mean, they put out that panel recently, that was like a year ago, right? For whatever reason, they didn't tell us a ton of things, but they brought it up and they acknowledged

that things were happening. And he's saying that now everything is declassified. Well, not everything is declassified, but what he was mentioning is that people can now come out and be whistleblowers and not be reprobanded for it. Because I didn't really understand why. I think it was because there's so many agencies that were secretive that maybe even the Pentagon didn't even realize were happening. And so those are the members of the Pentagon are getting upset that there's these agencies

that they don't know about, even though they should have clearance on this stuff. So there was secret, you know, finding, there was, there was secret societies or you shouldn't call them, I shouldn't call them society's secret. Government agencies. Government. Thank you. i you should call them so i should call society secret um... government government thank you government agencies happening within the government that the government agent should have known about but they didn't so there's secrets

going on within our government and now people are upset about it is is what he kept referencing but doesn't really help the pentagon if there's even things they can access. Right. And so I don't know the governing body that is now saying that they won't get reprimanded for it. Like, if you come out and you granted you say something happened, like Lazar did, see,

they were able to ostracize him because he was already out of the the agency right there he kicked him out mm-hmm and it you know they actually were trying to be nice because his wife had a affair and they were trying to not let him know that that was happening right i don't they want to be nice they just felt like if he found out he's gonna become the wildcard that he became anyway. That's what it was. Yeah, they were like, this is the sort of psychology that would cause someone to have a breakdown and then not give a fuck and then spill the beans. What you did anyway. He did anyway.

So, get a better system. The crazy thing and Jeremy kept referencing that they've been seeing these orbs that look like their circles, they kept saying tic-tacs, right? These tic-tac objects, like, it's a circle around a sphere, around a square, right? And they've been seeing these for... Well, that's not the tic-tac, tick, the tick tech will be like a tick tech shape. Well, but then. Long, cylindrical, cigar, looking.

Right, but I think that the spheres that he was talking about, I guess more of a cylinder. Okay, yeah, right. Yep, all right. They've been seeing these since, basically since the, since the 50s, or since, excuse me, since,

excuse me, since Roswell they've been seeing these same things all over the sky and they can't They can't really get a grasp on Filming them correctly, right? It's always been a problem, right? And that's what's so weird. All this evidence they have is like shitty camera footage from some dudes playing in the Navy

or some like radar in the Navy. I mean, listen, it's compelling if you understand the technology, but how many people do? If you're like a radar tech and an infrared tech and an ultraviolet tech, plus whatever else, then a sonar tech, then yeah, you might be able to like look at all the levels of the data and be like, there

is no way this wasn't what the thing is. But who, what regular people can like the scythe of that? What do we get to believe the person that's saying it? I mean, I'm inclined to. But look at Jeremy's story. He finally saw a UFO. Yeah. He was blown away. He said he'd been practicing the quick draw with his phone, the film, which we all think about doing and phones are good these days. Maybe they want that great when he saw this. Well, it was before his film. So they maybe they want that great when he saw this. Well it was before his film so they probably weren't that great but still. Yeah but he had it and he still didn't pull it out and he's the guy for it. Right? So if he struggles to do it and I don't believe I don't think he's lying,

I then it's just this is like a big problem because it's so overwhelmingly weird and fascinating that you just kind of want to like take the moment in because if you think about it selfishly, you want to see it for you. Okay, you, we're gonna struggle to like convince other people, but for you, for your existence in this life you'll get to see this take it all in and be like holy shit now I know for sure myself and no one's

gonna be able to persuade me. I just am still like dumbfounded that people have not got a better version of the... It's like every day, I almost just expect someone to be like, Oh yeah, finally got it. And it's like 4K zoomed in, undeniable, shooting through the clouds, you know, you would think. You would think, man, you would think they'd be there. I love hearing the amount of people who have claimed to see these UFOs, and whether they were close, probably close encounters, the people that have had close encounters, that see whatever metallic, you know, whatever metal or whatever they're using to create these crafts, it doesn't have rivets,

it doesn't have seams, they're just like a fucking blob of metal. Well, shit, we can 3D print stuff. No doubt they could. Why would they have a manufacturing assembly line of bolts and nails? But they all say no sonic boom. And this has been going on since the 50s. They've been saying this before people could whip out their phones and look at these things. No sonic boom moving from 80,000 feet or probably more but we can't see any higher

all the way down into the ocean. What did he call them? These material like the material signs that we have does not hold up to what we're seeing and the physics doesn't hold up to what we're seeing but all of these stories seem to corroborate with each other. They're all the same. They can go left, right, up and down. They can turn. There's no sonic boom. The speed is incredible.

We're not hearing different stories of these sightings. And maybe that's because Everyone who's talked in the past. Maybe people are You know referencing that. I don't know it seems to me like It's plausible. I mean, I believe in UFOs That being said whether I believe in them or not all of these stories seem to be... They seem to have the same idea. Like, what they're seeing looks the same, acts the same. You know, it's an orb, it can go up and go down.

It doesn't have any of the physics we see in the natural world. There's no rockets, there's no sound. I mean, it just, yeah, I mean, if, imagine if somebody comes out, they have a story and they're like, yeah, it look like a, like a cylinder, like we've heard, but then it just took off and there was a sonic boom and there were rockets on the back and you'd be like, wait a second,

that just sounds like something we would make. Right. But we're not hearing that. And what struck me that I've not really thought about before is all the under the water stuff that they were talking about, like how the government has all these systems of so-and-as and like the detection stuff under the water, which let's be fair, no one else is going to have that, right? They just want maybe a ship that's like close by might have some of it.

You know, all those like deep sea explorers that you know, like that craft that went down to the Titanic or whatever, maybe they, but it's only, that's all a short range. The government is the only one that, that's all a short range. The government is the only one that has that technology, the military probably, and we don't have any of that information. I don't want it.

I was interested hearing the, this Havana syndrome, they were talking about people who have had close encounters. They have, it's called Havana syndrome, where the radiation from whatever craft they saw is basically blocking a portion of their brain. And I can't remember what specific portion of the brain, but it's the same in every single instance of someone who has seen a UFO at close proximity. They're calling it the Havana Syndrome. And I remember this one because I just watched a Netflix special on the Skinwalker Ranch down in Utah.

It's this area in Utah that they're having a lot of crazy sightings and different energy that's happening, like huge amounts of radiation. And one of the guys that worked down there, his fucking brains swelled up. Like he went into some hole, they found some hole on the top of this ridge that they were walking. And they went down there with like the detectors that will detect the amount of radiation that's in the area It's in the atmosphere. They go down in this hole and he goes down there He's like, oh man, I've got a crazy headache like oh my god. I feel queasy and he walks out of there and I don't know if he's the guy who ended up having a van a syndrome. They didn't say initially who it was

They just said that someone at skinwalker Ranch had the, you know, was had the Havana syndrome, which you know, is the same thing that some of these pilots have had in the past that have had close encounters with with aliens, so I don't know, man. There's there's some crazy radiation going on with with with these beans or these, whatever it is that people are seeing. That does seem to come up, like even the people have ducted at times, have had bones and

with different things and then later, you know, I think they may have had cancer if they had been abducted and you would have thought the aliens would have figured that out, right? Like why wouldn't they, if they can do everything they can do? Why wouldn't they just be like, all right, we need some radiation shielding on this? Maybe that's something they don't need to worry about. They don't need to worry about that. They're not worried about that. Well, let's jump to what Rogan thought these aliens were.

He thinks interdimensional, okay? Let's jump to what Rogan thought these aliens were. He thinks interdimensional. I like that though. He's done a lot of DMT. Or enough. He's seen things in that realm and maybe he's making a comparison, trying to cross it over. a comparison, you know, trying to cross it over, you know, I mean, well, we were just playing a kind of thought experiment here.

I like to think that it's time travelers. I don't know why. I mean, it could be anything. I have no idea. But, you know, I just, it seems to make sense to sense to my like my mind just jumps there that okay It's us in the future coming back You think so yeah, I just I don't know. I just kind of think that what do you think? I mean, I think Jesus was an alien. Can I go there? So there you just got canceled

Thanks for being a part of the podcast. Look, it's hard to say, I do believe in them. Absolutely. I want to believe that they are here to help us. I don't want to believe that they are here to destroy us. It seems to me that if they just started coming up when we Figured out how to make an atom bomb that they're trying to make sure that we don't mess this place up Yeah, but saying that there's like prehistoric like there's that too. There's like old ass hot that shows UFOs. Yeah, he mentioned that he mentioned art from the 1700s You know it was I don't know if it was John or Matthew or who it was in the photo, but there was a disc in the sky. And it looked like a UFO, you know, it could have just been a hole in the sky that he was drawing. I

don't know. I didn't see the photo. But yeah, I mean, again, I think they've been pictured But yeah, I mean again, I think they've been pictured in hyroglyphs, they've been pictured in Mayan drawings of these weird discs and you know, these oblique shapes that have a dome shape on top and have these bigger heads. So yes, I think they've been coming here way before the 1950s obviously. Well, I mean if you guys are fans of Rogan, which you must be if you listen to us and you don't already follow the JRE companion on Instagram The person that makes this is brilliant basically What they're doing is that listen to a Rogan episode and they

are super up-to-date. Like as soon as an episode comes out, they listen to it and they pick important points, maybe videos or images, references that come up on each podcast and they post it. So right now it is August 9th, 5.39pm. The last post is one of those pictures of art. And these guys do a great job. Oh wow. So yeah, I'm showing Todd now. I mean, if you if you love following along to Rogan, and then also listening to West Japeron, I mean, that is such a good Instagram to follow. I mean, I love it to death

because I get to look at stuff that's posted and it's an excellent reminder of the important points. I mean, he picks it out great, but there's a fantastic image, which is, does it say when the art was made? 1710. Yeah, the baptism of Christ. And it just shows the disc in the sky, just

yeah, that looks like a big, big, big, big, big big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big Look, I want to believe they're here to help us. I want to... I hope so because there's a lot worse if they're not. I would think... Again, I want to think that if they're so much smarter and so much more advanced than we are, then they should be helping us, not hurting us. Well, but maybe they're just observing. You know, and maybe there is a thing like in Star Trek, where they can't like fuck with the species that's not quite like at that level, where they're just like just checking

us out, just pan attention, making sure that, you know, we're not blowing things up, but maybe it's an experiment to them. Maybe they're like, hey, they're going to do what they're going to do. So an experiment to them. Maybe they're like, hey, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. So good luck to them. Well, like Rogan said, he's almost scared to find out because maybe we're just grown in a lab. Maybe this is an experiment. Yeah.

We don't know. I don't know. There's enough other things to think about. I love that. All right, well, let's call it things to think about. I love that. Alright, well, let's call it for this week. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and staying with us and we look forward to talking to you next week.

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