Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 285 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chris Best Et al.

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. It might either be the worst podcast you'll ever have done. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Thanks for joining us. This week we have Dr. Rick Stralsman, MD, DMT studies,

Chris Best, Substacks CEO, and Nate Bugazzi. Pretty hilarious. Nashville Tennessee comedian, I believe. Yeah, I like his voice. Great guy. You know, there's something about the Southernness in his twang. Mm-hmm. It's just got a good hometown feel.

He's a super fun to go. I've seen him live a bunch of times and really enjoyable. Join us always by my psychic and crime, Todd. I like that psychic and crime. There we go. We are on a good wavelength today, I feel like. Yeah. But for the record, we've committed no crimes

in the recent future. Distant past? There we go. Distant past, there we go. Distant past for sure. Cheers. Let's cheers with some benchmark whiskey, not a sponsor, but I recommend it. If you're on a budget and you like whiskey on the rocks,

it's manageable. Love it. Imagine if that was the ad. It's pretty good. So Straussman, what a guy. Yeah, so fascinated with chemistry early on in life. What was he say? He was like making bombs, blowing stuff up with chemistry. Well, for that, I did that in seventh grade two, I think, and got caught, my stepmother caught us, but anyway, yeah, gotta be careful. Gotta be careful. Still has all his fingers, became a doctor,

and is famous for the spirit molecule book that became a documentary that actually was narrated by Rogan, which was cool, and that was on Netflix back in the day. That wasn't that long ago, wasn't that long ago, was it? Oh, dude, yeah, it was like 2010. Okay, I was thinking it was like five years ago, but I didn't realize it was that old. Nice. Yeah, it's a bit older. It was back in the day when the Netflix, probably from,

I don't know, like 2008 or 2009, is when the streaming really picked up with Netflix. And it was a bit clunky because you could only watch it on your computer and then eventually it got onto the TV. But before that, all the documentaries that were getting on Netflix were like really fringe style. It almost like vice type of, you know, it was all conspiracy theories, zeitgeist, ancient alien style stuff. They were great back then.

Let's bring it back. Yeah, now we're kind of flooded with documentaries, but it's a good one if you haven't seen it, and a good book if you haven't read about it. So he did DMT trials, basically medical trials, FDA approved, which is kind of unheard of. It hadn't been done for a very long time. How he still managed to get approved for this wasn't really made clear. He just made it seem like you just applied all the right places and you get it. No, well, from my understanding, they actually, and I think McKenna gave them this idea.

George McKenna, I think, was kind of the influence behind going through the government. And like through, I don't know the actual agency, but they basically went through the War on Drugs Department, whatever that is. Yeah. It's that DA, I don't know. Probably. But they went straight to the top and said, look, we know this drug looks like it's could be really bad. But actually in these studies, it

shows a lot of potential. And they went right to it. And I think the reason they had success with it was because of war vets, right? It was most was a lot of PTSD stuff, wasn't it? I don't know if that was his focus or if he just wanted to study it and get approval. And it's one of those things where, you know, even if it is the DEA, they should understand as much about what the drug is that they're enforcing as possible. They don't though. No, they don't. They rarely do. Of course they don't.

That's why I was surprised that it went that way. And then didn't he say something about the biggest donors also to the study with Masons, free Masons? Yeah. Which was interesting because they have a bunch of pineal gland iconography in the imagery. Yeah, the third eye, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the It's not like they're all doing DMT though. They should be they probably should So yeah, what a guy he he he's very Intuitive and just you just want like he has this comforting tone and he obviously is a psychologist so he He's just an MD psychiatrist, right? I don't think so. I think he was just a medical doctor. Oh

I thought he was a psychiatrist. That's why he studies this stuff. No, he's studying the brain. Studying the chemistry of it. Well, clearly, we both know what's happening here. I had on my notes that he was a psychiatrist, but what do I know? One of my biggest notes here was hearing about the, and we've heard this before, is the monkeys eating psilocybin, that idea, that Dennis and Terence McKenna had of monkeys eating psilocybin back in the day, and that's how we kind of... The mushroom ape theory.

Yeah, the mushroom ape theory. Oh, standby. I just googled it, and he is the associate professor of psychiatry. Yeah. A UNM. Yeah, I was wrong. Okay. Thank you. I thought I was going crazy there for a second. Yep. Which happens on a daily basis. I need that. But he also did a fellowship in clinical psychopharmacology research, which is that's what I thought he primarily did, but that much anger. What's, I don't even know what that means. Psychopharmacology, so it's like pharmacy stuff related to drugs that, things that alter

your state of being, which it usually drugs psychedelics, especially. Right. So, I mean, clearly he studies psychedelics. That is his forte. And he's been doing it since psychedelia became popular in the 70s, right? Well, if you look at our logo on our website, the Stone ape theory was the primary motivation behind it.

It's two stone apes, because they're smoking joints, watching Joe Rogan on the TV. It's that inspired so much about Joe's show in general that it's... But the idea is the neural plasticity that is created, right? You're creating new neurons when you're taking psychedelics, especially psilocybin, right? It's like you're opening up new ideas and formations in your mind mind and that's actually creating more neurons in your brain correct So you're like you're skyrocketing through the evolutionary process if you were to do that more often because you're learning new things quickly Without just you know here's a fucking stone and here's a rock and makes sense make some fire

It's like whoa what are all these geometric patterns that I'm seeing? They're like, whoa. Well, it makes sense that by doing that and growing new neurons and doing it quickly, that you're, I mean, could you say you're creating new ways of thinking, which often is the response of people

that have done hallucinogenic for the first time because they come out of it and they're like, holy shit dude, you wouldn't believe what just happened. Like I was in another place. Like wow, you got to try that. Yeah, and it is a little bit scary to think. Again, I'm on Rogan's side with this. I think that everyone should try psychedelics, but I think everyone should be able to try them, but it is a little scary because some people

if they're prone, you know, if they have, you know, what's it called? Skits of fernia. Skits of fernia. Skits of fernia in the family. It can get a little sketchy, and if you're not taking the right dosage, it can get a little sketchy. So they talk a lot about the set and the setting. But how do you control that? That's the problem. Well, like this. So dosage is always the problem, especially with edible marijuana.

It's a total nightmare to be stuck doing too much, which happens all the time. So now that we've regulated marijuana and edibles over a lot of the country, you can go in and buy milligram amounts. And there be some variations between them, but it gives you a general idea. It's not like you're gonna go in and be like somebody's gonna recommend you do

a 50 milligram cookie the first time. It's still a little bit sketchy. más sketchy, es una nueva frontier. Exactamente, pero si con el psilocybin, si hay experiencias que con map y therapy de creer más y más available, no solo eso, no solo hay que ser así, pero como es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero. que se ha tenido que ser así, que lo puedes hacer con... Llega el mejor momento del año, llegan tus vacaciones. Este es uno de Julio sobre de extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo te haría a te recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad.

Just maybe in the future somebody that's trained to do it. So they ask you a few questions, can engage where you are, like what your experience levels are, and then they know, okay, let's do this many, and obviously, Aste Soba, and just kind of be there with you all. And probably the next thing is age, wait until a like appropriate age. You don't need to be like tripping balls on mushrooms of 15. I don't even think there's anything to gain from that realistically, because your idea of what the world is and your responsibilities and your purpose

for existing in it is anyway. Yeah, I mean, it seems to me like they should just change the age for everything to 19 would be my idea, but if it's 21 fine, it's 21. Yeah, all like work with specialists in brain development. So that they know, okay, you know, males, brains stop changing at this age. 25. Roughly at this age. And probably different drugs could be implemented at different times.

You know, even though alcohol is a bit of a slippery slope for a lot of people, maybe that one you can drink with. In England, they drink with that at 18. Well, do you think being from England people are more responsible with booze over there because it's more of a social thing early on, or do you think it actually turned for the worst and more people are drunk so for there because of that. It's hard to say, but I'll tell you what you don't see as much and there's still plenty of it, but once kids get to college, you know, they go into college like 18 and they've

experienced probably some alcohol by then. There's plenty of binge drinking that goes on there, but in the US, you go to college for almost three years. Four years. Not well, before you can drink, I mean. So before you're 18, when you go. Yeah, I guess you're right. So, you know, and plenty of kids haven't had any before that. So now all of a sudden you can get it at this age,

you have no experience with it, even though you are a little older and You know that to me is an issue. That's a problem Yeah, I've just been to parties in both countries and I did definitely see like more people in the US At certain ages at these parties that just got completely destroyed at certain ages at these parties that just got completely destroyed because they just had no experience with it. And don't you think that's a slippery one? Don't you think that might happen with psychedelics too though? I mean, it is a slippery slope, man.

Of course, it's going to happen with any drug. That's the issue. But what scares me, there's a huge positive to this, right? With PTSD and just, you know, different brain depression, you know, different, you know, issues that are causing people to take antidepressants, which I think that psychedelics will change that. That's what I hope anyways. I think that's the hope of everyone Jo talks to about psychedelics, right? The problem is, is that with our government in the United States, we're not gonna, I hate to say it, they're not gonna have

this well thought out plan where there's places you can go yet, if you pay for them and you have done the research and stuff, of course, you're gonna be able to go to a doctor and do it, which is great, but I think mostly, and you know, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, but most of the time, people are just still going to take them recreationally. And that, to me, isn't the answer.

But with more education in it, look, there's always going to be people that mess it up. You know, I mean, you could say that about dirt bark writing to some degree. It's like, yeah, if you join a club, dirt bike club, and then go to the track, and there's people that they're gonna tell you, don't go on the big jump until you know how to do it. And then, get a 50cc and not 150, I don't know why I use this example. I know nothing about this, but it's kind of similar, right?

It's like if you get around people that have experience with it and understand the more educated you are, the safer you can stay, you get the right gear, you're not gonna fall off with a crappy helmet, break your neck, and if you just buy a bike randomly online and just head out into the woods, I mean, good luck. So there will always be that, but it does help for people to be more

educated. I think the issue is, and Joe was mentioning it a lot. And I agree the government shouldn't get involved with it. Like it shouldn't be regulated in that way to where you can only go to like government approved

facilities and blah, because then they just thought they're going to screw it up. They're going to screw it up. They'll'll synthesize it then they'll start charging more Yeah, it'll be a money-making thing which totally ruins the purpose of the drug which is to help people Hmm, you know, I mean I you know, we've both seen Friends of ours who at least I'm thinking of of one or two individuals who have told me that after a large trip, and this wasn't DMT, but on mushrooms of like,

I just felt like I had five years of therapy in one night. And it was guided and it was, you know, you go in with intention, there's a lot of merit to that, but it has to be, and I feel like Stralsman was mentioning this a lot, like it really has to be this set in the setting and things have to be regulated with a doctor. And yeah, you don't want the government because the government will mess that up if they try to regulate that. No doubt.

And he kept mentioning back in the 70s, that's what would happen. There's a lot of these psych wars that had a bunch of new patients that are high as fuck on acid and what you do with them we don't even have those facilities anymore in this country so how do you fix that because like you said there's gonna be plenty of people who the you know dm t especially such a potent

drug you're really gonna have to regulate that somehow, but how do you do it if it's legal? I don't know. It kind of comes down to a lot of the things that are related to freedom. Is yes, there are some eggs that break and we shouldn't also sit there and say, because of this, you're going to break a few eggs. No, you want to minimize that always and keep an eye on it. But just to always ban everything, they always go to banning everything because of the worst examples of the people, it's like why we see all those stupid signs on

everything. Like don't dive in here and the polls like half a foot deep. It's like, obviously no, but it's only up there because someone did. Someone did it, you know, someone ate the whole bag of pills immediately. Somebody in the RV thought the cruise control meant that they could go take a nap in the back and then it crashed off the road. It's like almost nobody is that dumb, but there's a few people, and in a sense, when they ban it because of that, it ruins it for everyone. Don't you think that has a lot to do with American culture wanting to sue everyone too? That's also a huge problem, right? So you have to put up signs everywhere so you don't

get sued. I mean, yeah, it's obviously that too. But it does mean that someone did it at some point. Well, people are dumb. But this in this will help so many other people that maybe some of the dumb people are just going to have to get weeded out a little bit. I don't know. Yeah, what are they? What do they call that the Darwin Awards? It's like the Darwin Awards. Yeah. Let's talk about some of the DMT experiences.

I mean, they were doing it intravenously. Intravenously. Intravenously, yeah. Love that. What a way to go. And scary. And they talked about those two people that had to triple those. And the one felt like he was just in the ocean

the whole time drowning and freaking out. And then the other guy was so gone, he can't even remember. It's like his brain was like, whatever you just saw, forget about it. It was too much fun. Gotta go easy. I guess it's good to know that they can't go remember. It's like his brain was like, whatever you just saw, forget about it. It was too much fun. Yeah, you gotta go easy. I guess it's good to know that they can't go to that dosage anymore, right? You had to do some trials. Yeah. And also, you know, the people didn't die and they didn't come out of it with like, super psychosis as well. Yeah. You know, it's like, the last thing you want is to get PTSD from the thing you're taking to help you with your PTSD.

It's like the last thing you want is to get PTSD from the thing you're taking to help you with your PTSD. True. Well, Joe always talks about his experience seeing these little jokers, right, when he was on DMT. Flipping him off. And they just talk, yeah, fuck you. Don't take yourself too seriously, right? Mm-hmm. I think we get all alone or what from that? What was Straussman's experience?

I can't remember. Well, he said that he had one way he's like inside maybe like a lighthouse. It sounded more like a lighthouse, but I think he described it as something else like a Psylo and he's on the inside. But the way he described the stairs going up, like so you know spiraling upwards, I mean, lighthouse stairs like that. Yeah. And then he said there were all these little gnomes all the way up That's right. And they were like up to no good It seems like they're always kind of up to no good

But I think I think that that's like the gesture realm You know, it's like imagine the people like flipping Roganop they're like gestures that they're fucking with them They're trying to be like ha ha ha, look at you. They're making fun of him. Well, Rogan was also saying his last experience that he after a few days afterwards, he was kind of freaking out a little bit because he felt off and he thought

that it might not go away. So I think this is the other DMT. So there's NN DiMetho Triptamine. That has two nitrogen groups on the ring. That one causes kind of like the pixelation, the kaleidoscope, and then you see a lot of entities. I have not ever tried that. So that's more of like an acid trip then?

Is that what they've- I guess so. You close your eyes, but you can still feel your body. You're still there. The other one, five MEO, the toad which I have done, is completely disassociative. I mean, you go into another realm. It's that white thing that they talk about. And you smoke that?

Yeah. Okay. So after the last time, Rogan, we did it three times in a day. I only did it once. I've known people that have done it twice in a day, and they said there's some benefits of that, but I was like, look dude, that's enough. What I just did, whatever that was, was enough for today. Yeah. And yeah, he did it three times, the last one was very powerful, and he just felt uneasy for weeks. He said he was anxious, right? Right. Questioning things.

He's feeling like everything could fall apart. Or you just, I think what it is is like you feel vulnerable because it's kind of like you feel like you're being reborn, like you die and you're reborn. And even though you're an adult, maybe you are when you do it, hopefully, and you come back into this universe, this one here, this reality.

You know, you have all the skills that you had before. It's not like your brain doesn't work, but just some things are off. The big thing with me that was very strange is about five or six days after the event. I woke up in the middle of the night, woke up from sleeping and I felt exactly how I did when I was coming out of the trip. It with visuals, the feeling, everything. And that really doesn't make any sense because this chemical breaks down in your system very, very fast. That's why it doesn't last long.

So there's really no way it could have been in my system that many days later, but it 100% happened. It felt that right. I woke up and I thought, oh my God, if this keeps happening to me, this won't be good. But it just happened that one time. That's one time. That's scary, man. And I was scared of the dark for like a week. And what was really odd and fascinating about it

is I forgot that maybe other adults do. Like we were all scared of the dark as kids. We were little kids at some point in our life, scared of the dark, and eventually we got brave and got over it, usually by pushing, you know, your parents kind of push you, okay, turn the light off now and then, you know, and you don't need nothing night light anymore,

and stay in your own room, and don't come into the parents room, like you got this, even though you think there's something under the bed, and eventually you get brave enough. But as a fully grown adult with my thinking now, I feel like a week. Every time I turned all the lights off,

I was like, this monster's everywhere. And I'm like, week. Every time I turned all the lights off, I was like this monster's everywhere. And I'm like, am I going crazy? And the week passed and then I It was fine and it was just silly. Yeah, but That kind of that happened. I mean it I think some of it is just that it's such a powerful experience But it was interesting to be kind of like at least in that one area am I thinking like put back in time. It's like, oh, this is, this is how I thought when I was probably like, fully as old. Yeah, look, these drugs are super powerful and that's why I mean they should be legal

but there really needs to be some sort of, and I don't know how you do it. I don't know the answer, but the guided, these guided trips, right? That's how it needs to be done if you wanna see a successful implementation of these sorts of molecules. It's scary, but also really fun to think that it could help so many people.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I definitely think it needs to be explored and checked out. And then, you know, and more importantly, the guided bit is not just a safety aspect. It's not like, oh, you know, you got to weigh your seat about all the time type of a thing. It's just to actually get the most out of what you're doing.

Right, well, and having that intention, right? That helps with an intention. It helps to go somewhere to do it. Yeah, And you get to talk to somebody that's experiencing, who has experienced lots of people go through this process before, because it's so wild, you're going to have it questions, right? Of course. And maybe you're a bit afraid. Maybe you're unsure. Maybe a whole idea of reality is kind of a bit wobbly for a couple of weeks. So it's nice to talk to somebody and have some integration. That's kind of like the therapy aspect of it. I guess.

Yeah. Well, it's like with that holotropic breathing that Straussman was talking about. Oh, you can trip on that. We've done that. Yeah. I've done it. You've done it. Win-Hawth? Yeah. Well, well, the WimHawth is like that. Exactly, it's a little bit shorter. I think that's only 10 minutes, five minutes. Whereas the Hall of Tropic, I've done for an hour, and I had a significant psychedelic experience

from it, did it for one hour. I don't feel very comfortable when I do that. Well, I don't care if I'm... What I was getting at, it's hard to do. It's hard to stay comfortable when you're basically hyperventilating for that long. But having a guide with you, I've done it twice

and there was a guide. Same woman guided us through it and having her there to calm people down because it gets a bit hysterical. Like, there was 10 other people in the room. I heard people screaming. They were having some crazy experiences, like howling, like, fucking wolves. I mean, it got intense. I didn't how like a wolf, but the guy next to me did.

And he needed to be calmed down. Yeah, it was crazy. Wow. You know, but your arms start shaking. And anyways, my hands cramp up when I do that breathing. You like go tight. Yeah, it's like the acidity in your bloodstream or something from the amount of oxygen or yeah, like or cutting off the oxygen from going, I don't know the scientific thing that

actually happens, but it has something to do with breathing that heavily creates like, you know, a certain amount of something in your bloodstream that creates that feeling like you've been sleeping on your arm all night and then it starts throbbing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I got from it. But that was a really good one, man. Yeah, that was my favorite one this week, but we should probably move on to number two. Let's jump over to Chris Best. So the chorus goes to the back, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a, a bass, a bass, a bass, a bass, a, a bass, a bass, a, a bass, a, a bass, a, a, a, a bass, a, a bass, a, a bass, I should know what it was, but I also similarly did not know what Substack

was. Now, I'm going to create a Substack for our business, which is Make a Magazine. What a cool thing. I had no idea Glenn Greenwald was moved away from the New York Times, or was it New York Post that he left? I can't remember. He sponsored the podcast before. Greenwald is the man. He's a great journalist. Dude, he broke Snowden now. I mean, he did the whole Snowden.

Mm-hmm. I mean, he covered the whole Snowden thing. Snowden called him. Remember, he was on the video. Yeah, I was excited when I actually talked to the marketing people and I tried to see if I could have a chat with them. That did not work. I did not. I did not.

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Thing to say. That's a big statement. I I think that the overarching theme of this is is a lot like podcasting when you have Individuals who stray away from the mainstream because they're trying to censor you, right? Yeah, even the New York Times They wouldn't let it all about control. They wouldn't let greenwald and forgive me if I'm if it was the New York Times, they wouldn't let... It's all about control. They wouldn't let Greenwald, and forgive me if it was the New York Times, or I can't remember which entity he was working for that he got fired from. But they basically wouldn't let him post the Hunter Biden laptop stuff. And now he's just doing everything on Substack and people are paying subscription based

to see his work, right? It's beautiful. It's like if you are putting out amazing content, it's a subscription model. That's that's Substack. It was the intercept. Oh, is that who he's working for? Yeah. Okay.

He resigned though. He didn't get fired. Okay. Well, he was probably about to let the Guardian as well. The Guardian was a big one, because the Guardian was the one, was the entity, the business he was working for when he put out the Snowden files. Right. And Snowden, I mean, he knew who we wanted to go to.

Like, you know, he did his research. Yes, Snowden, he was who we wanted to go to. Like, you know, he did his research. Yeah, Snowden. How do you- Snowden contacted Glenn. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I... Look, the cool thing about Substack, and I checked it out,

it's super cool. You don't have to pay for things, but you can, right? There's a lot of people who charge for their work. There's also a lot of people who say donation based only. That's cool. It's a way for people to blog, if you want to call it blogging, or just put out content, and it's free form,

and they don't censor you. That was the biggest thing that Chris kept talking about. We don't censor. And how amazing is that? There's no censorship. Can you then see it almost? I mean, people must be putting news up there. So you could almost see it as like a newspaper that the people that run it don't, they don't, because you know, like everyone has a gender, cnn fox news right they're not editing you know the glow like it's like they have an overall narrative that like okay we're liberal or we're conservative and we're staying

away from this and we're kind of pushing these stories and nobody wants to touch you know um Epstein island things which is ridiculously fucked up yeah but then you go on a sub-stack and it's just, if you trust the individual writers, you're like, okay, let's see what this guy's got and he can go in any direction he wants. No one is controlling the narrative. Why? Because there's no sponsors. Love that.

Fisers not sponsoring this, right? Who's sponsoring CNN? Fisers. Okay. Pfizer's not sponsoring this, right? Who's sponsoring CNN? Pfizer, okay? If you start a narrative that's true about something fucked up that Pfizer's doing, that's not getting on CNN. The editors aren't touching that. Yeah.

This is a way for these brilliant writers and a lot of brilliant writers that maybe people don't know about at all to have their words somewhere. That's a popular app. It's a popular website. I think it's mostly an app, right? You just, it's on everyone's phone. No one looks at the computer anymore.

They're looking at their phones. And you're getting, yeah, look, unbiased opinions and a lot of facts, too. Whether they're right or wrong, I don't know, I haven't looked into it enough, but I do think it's awesome. You know, Joe's talking about looking at all these medical papers that are on sub-stack that either there's no fucking way you'd be seeing that stuff anywhere else. That's the beauty of sub-stack. The interesting thing though about that. Free information, man, or information that people actually pay for instead of sponsors

paying for, that's the beauty of it. Sure. It's the people's work. Well, but think about Joe's podcast and this one and many of us. We have sponsors, you know, and that I think it's just because of the way podcasts are set up, but I can't imagine them ever changing the way that we think about things. Right. It's like literally they ascend us whatever the product is usually.

And if we use it and it's good, like so good that we want to just randomly bring it up while I'm just talking to you mid podcast Yeah, that's because that good and if it didn't stand out We usually don't all we didn't think about it But I mean could you imagine us ever getting to a point where we take a sponsor that would change the way that we speak? I mean absolutely not but it seems like that happens across the board and you're making that point right now That's if something has sponsors you got to be suspicious of it. And I believe that too.

So what does that mean? That when people listen to us, they should be suspicious of our ideas of man's capes or athletic greens. No, no. I think it's a slippery slope, right? And you want to take a balls for any time you have any time you have sponsors but look the sponsors that choose to sponsor this show and Well not rogan anymore because he's on Spotify. He doesn't have sponsors anymore. No, he does you read sponsors

He reads ads draft Kings is always on the let it greens, but it's a different format now It was just puts the ads in different places. Yeah Either way Pot the podcasting world is a lot like sub stack because yes We have sponsors, but we're allowed to kind of pick and choose who our sponsors are oh 100% so and the fact that we read them too is Impolitan because you know, it's it's us saying it like we kind of like it or not You get a feel of well, but Chris best is saying he doesn't want sponsors. He's saying that He wants to pick a business model That works and that actually helps the writers and the readers and I think that's why he's been so successful

And I like it. I actually prefer it. And I mean, honestly, I wish we didn't have to ever do any. But we would just be broke. Well, look, if Patreon worked for us, it would be the same exact thing as Stubstack. It's essentially the same thing. If you're asking your viewers or your listeners to pay a fee to listen to us, which I don't think we would ever do, but that's basically what's up stack is. That to me seems layman and ads.

I think that's why I went with ads. Well, as I felt like if we offered that, and then you could get the non ad version of this, right? Yeah. It's just like, I don't know. I just had a problem with it, but maybe that is better, right. Yeah, it's just like I don't know. I just had a problem with it But maybe that is better right because people maybe at the end of the day ads are like manipulation In a way, it's like propaganda again It depends on who your advertisers are and and I think with the Chris's model with with substack

He is allowing people to not You know, there's plenty of people on sub-stack that you don't have to pay for. That's the beauty of it. It's up to the writer. It's up to the person creating the content whether or not they want to charge their readership to actually pay for it. I guess it's more important than that than a show like ours because they, you know, you have say a journalist that is, you know, and in journalism, it's about your kind of, you would hope your, you kind of like your honor, right?

Well, your integrity. You would help. It's like, if you, if it's a Glenn Greenwald brought to you by Pfizer and then he does an article on the COVID vaccine, or that's totally clear. Brought to you by BP oil, and then he talks about the fuel prices, you would have to be concerned

because people are going to him for information, and like I want to know the truth, not just what's being spun and blah, blah, blah. Whereas, you know, if you listen to the arse, it's... People aren't coming to ask for, like, the news. The beautiful thing about sub-stack and I trust Chris after listening to him. He wants to have these conflicting ideas, right? There's always going to be conflicting ideas in an open and free market like Substack, right? But he's not changing those ideas.

He's letting them on the platform. And I like that because there's always gonna be dissent. There's always gonna be conflict with different ideas. That's how you change your opinion. That's the beauty of learning. It is always gonna be a few wackos too. But he straight up said the whole reason he started Substack was to have these opinions from different sides

and it motivates others to change their mind and to change their theories. It's like no one is telling him or her or whoever is on sub-stack what to read and or what to write about. It's kind of like, I don't know enough about medium, but it reminded me of medium.com where people are just putting up ideas and You know, you don't have to I think you pay medium a fee and I think there are advertisers I could be wrong, but

Substack to me is so much cooler because it's up to the person It's up to the person who's putting content on there to tell people how they want to get paid for it Yeah, and it's up to the people who want to read that stuff, whether they want to pay for it or not. It's beautiful. Like, it's an open free market, dude. It's like, it's capitalism at its finest, really. But for journalism. Right.

I love that. Well, it's freedom of journalism at its finest. Fuck yeah. And that's the thing. People aren't trusting new sources anymore. I mean, And that's the thing people aren't trusting new sources anymore. I mean, Rogan even talked about people making podcasts and you take Obama.

Obama was a president that a lot of people really respected, not always Republicans, obviously. But I mean, he was a statesman. He was very popular while he was in. He spoke well. He's an intelligent person. He went into the podcast and remember, he's a president. And for the longest time, this podcast,

that is a podcast about Joe Rogan's podcast, ranked much higher than his. And he was the fucking president, dude. And I think what it points to is I think people are tired, even from someone as popular as him, at listening to things that they maybe just don't think of that genuine, possibly. It's like even the main newspapers today. It's like we all know that they're all being pulled in a particular direction.

We know every politician is feeding us a narrative, whether you like him or not, you're like, I just, it just doesn't feel like as a real like as a real conversation as it could be. It's not authentic. And Rogan pointed out with someone like Obama, you know for a fact and maybe not for a fact, but let's just assume come on, the guy is so popular popular he wants to be this you know this statesman for the democratic side and if he had any dissenting opinions on anything he would get so torn up in

the media about it that's why i think his podcast was shit because he can't be completely honest let's be let's be honest about this and joe said he can't yet he just came out smoke to join and started talking about aliens it will be the biggest podcast that ever existed and he should let's go let's go but he won't because he has too many people and he's making way too much money of a god knows what you're back from his presidency bank up like speeches and dinners and yeah, but think about it if if if there was this altruistic way like

Substack where everyone could just pay him ten bucks a month to read his stuff and he didn't have to worry about The rest of the this windfall of things happening after he talks about who knows what then maybe he would he would be more honest But there's just too much Then maybe he would he would be more honest, but there's just too much There's too much of a question on where his motives are because he was the president. I think that's why I think you're right I think you're right and I mean one thing to say for us no matter what is the weird Just gonna say the things that we think yeah, and we we lay it down, like I walk away from it. And it's, and it's like, okay, there it is.

I've even had friends and family members like give me like criticism, we'll get mad at stuff that I brought up. And I'm, I'm pretty aggressively, defensively adamant about when I talk about it on here it goes up It goes up. Yeah, this is my thing. We don't edit it Maybe don't tell me then in the future. I don't think anyone's gonna do that but

these are just stories You know, there's just examples of Shit we can expand on that I'm gonna talk about that's it What what did you think that this is probably the last thing on? Chris right now, huh? We're getting a little late here But if the government knew what the internet was gonna be like back in the day. Oh, I think they would let it know fucking way no chance no chance no chance

No chance. So what's next? Right? I mean they would have banned Bitcoin from day one if they thought that it was going to take off and do what it did, decentralized money and banking. But this altruistic way of making things happen, the patrions of the world, this is what, in my mind, and I think Joe is right when he's telling Chris this, this is the way forward for everything podcasting. But think about what it's destabilized in a lot of ways

Radio because people now go to podcasting yep, uh news Because people go online. I mean newspapers would have hated like every major system that was in place almost would have pushed against what the internet was and Everyone pretty much underestimated it. They were like me. Dude, sub-stack, the alternative to take back control of the mind baby, let's go. All right, well, again on it. The only concern I have with that is that you gotta like subscribe

to so many different people. That seems like a bit of a pain in the ass. I don't think you have to. Oh, no. You have to pay for some people, but others you don't. You can still go on there and read some free shit No, you know check it out. Yeah, we're checking out put a bookmark in it. Start a sub-step. All right. We're gonna jump over to Nate Bugatzzi

Verano Recyclar is not human He's a lata de aceitunas que te tomas a la una la crema que se termina cuando I like saying it with that accent. This guy is great. I've seen him, like I said at the beginning, do stand up a few times at the comedy store, brilliant. Very calm, very funny. He's a clean comic, which in, you know, there's not always so many of those,

you know, Gaffigan and, um, it's a story teller, right? Yeah, and there's a lot of that, but it's, it's like, you can take your whole family to it, you know, Sebastian does that and it's a kind of difficult kind of comedy because you want to get wild sometimes but he does it really well. I love how he plays kind of like the naive. I don't understand how things work. It's really good but you know he's a clever guy. Like there's no way you would come up with those bits if you want. Yeah, I mean, he's clearly smart and he gets it, you know, he talked about, I mean, he only went to what school in Chicago for a year for, for, you know, he took a class for a year and did stand up in Chicago for what, another two years and then moved straight to New York. And then what, then he

was just on stage all the time, right? Yeah. Putting in the work, New York is brutal ground to learn from. I mean, you know, there is decent-ish stand-up in Chicago. I mean, it's bigger for improv because they've got second-city. And then you can go off the SNL from there. But in stand up it doesn't really touch New York or LA. I think yeah I mean Chicago was using the 70s obviously because of second city right.

I mean that was what basically started SNL. Well a lot of it yeah. I mean all the OGs started there. Yeah but that's different now. A little bit. I mean, they have been picking more and more stand-up guys and gals. So, he's put the work in. I mean, he's a hustler, for sure.

And he's worked with so many great comics and people like him. I mean, that's a big part of the culture now too in stand-up is like hey if I'm gonna go on the road with you Are you cool? Are you my friend like can we get on and? That's a really nice thing because it is such a difficult pursuit that without that kind of cooperation I don't know. Look, it should be hard. That's what makes it such an incredible thing to achieve. But does it need to be harder than it needs to be? Meaning does everybody need to be vying for a tonight show

spot, all the sitcom? No, they can all work together, do podcasts, and it's almost like now is the best time for the cream to get to the top. And I love that. Because you want to see the best, what I say, the top. Well, cream of the crop rises to the top. I love that.

Yeah. That's the new saying. But you want the best comics, always, and wherever you get them from. So it's cool they're all kind of working together in that way. Talking about we got to get out to Austin. Absolutely. How long is it going to be at the Vulcan? We got to the Vulcan. Well, we'll go there, but mainly we want to go out and see Joe's club, obviously. Like, doesn't look like that will be together until the new year, but we'll get there. I appreciated Nate's comments on speaking to sitcoms,

and that was kind of the old way, but he says he's watched his sign felt every day and things like the office and just kind of these mindless shows that that's what people want these days, man. You don't wanna go into the, and granted, we all get stuck in these eight hour or eight episode, you know,

dia tribes about Narcos or whatever, you know, Narcos was great, but we're in season four. It's like how, we can't keep up with this stuff, you know what I mean? Like, I did it with, oh, what was the other one, the other one? The one with Jason Bateman. Ozarks. Help me out here, Ozarks, right?

Yeah, first, I mean, look, the first couple series were great, but you get to the third and the fourth one, you're kind of like, man, I don't have time for, it's too serious, there's too many characters, I don't have time for that. And Nate was just, he was just being funny. He's like, yeah, people just want kind of mindless shit. And there's not much of that happening nowadays with comedy. It's all like stand up and stand up specials.

And which is fine. But it was just interesting to think of like, what's the sign filled now? The last one we had was what, the office, like what else do we have that you can think of that you really enjoy watching that's kind of similar to Seinfeld? Yeah, I mean, Pogs and Rec was good. The office was good. Yeah, Parks and Rec's good. But it's been a long time since they both been on. What good comedies are on now? And are they calling that the multi-cam show? Is that what that means? I don't know. I was confused by that. They kept saying the multi-cam show, but Joe brought up the the miss-patt show, which I haven't seen, but I want

to check that out now. I heard that's good. Yeah. Joe likes it. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, she has a crazy story. You're very funny. How about the 4chan thing? Have you checked out 4chan? They mentioned 4chan. It's like a Reddit for just crazy people. Or just like- It's kind of where then it bled into 8chan and that's where all the QAnon craziness came from. Nuts. Nuts. I mean, QAnon documentary for people that haven't seen it is a must.

Oh yeah, they mentioned that one. What is that called? Into the storm. Yes. Into the storm. It's so good. I heard trump. That's his new Theme song is he used the same theme song. I don't know if that's true But if it is that's that's messed up if that's true. Yeah from the QAnon doc Well, because I think that's their theme song. Yeah, yeah, it's revenue up. Yeah, trump's using that now bring that conspiracy back The problem is that conspiracy is bat shit crazy.

Well, he needs the crazies to get in office. That's the whole, I think, the mind's off crazy to get him in office. He already got in office once, bro. True. So, yeah, Nate didn't really talk much about his, you know, going forward in the future. Like, does he, he doesn't have any specials coming out or does he?

I don't know. I mean, Joe has his hour really tight. So Joe is about to release one. And because of COVID, he has a second hour coming up. Nate, yet doing the pod and he does one already with some of his friends. It's really quite good. Um, he's right. I mean, he's definitely working on an hour. They're all kind of back to work now. It'll be interesting to see how big the Austin scene gets and if it is at least for people on the East Coast like

he is and Theo and Joey Diaz moved to New York. I mean, there are a lot of people kind of big comics kind of headed that way. They mostly just went back home, but it'd be interesting to see if the new kind of focal point of comedy becomes Austin. That's what I've been really curious about ever since the big move from Rogan. I mean, he's definitely pulling everyone over that if he can.

Glad he didn't move here, buddy. Oh, up to. Yeah, almost moved to Montana. We got enough people It's too cold here. Don't come how about the I didn't realize that Did get that gangus con film from the 50s was was played by John Wayne. Oh, dude I mean if you haven't pulled up some clips of that, you've got to look at it. It is the more you think like Sean Connery playing a Russian submarine guy in the hunt for

Red October, even though he has a solid Scottish accent is bad. The John Wayne thing doesn't make any sense. I mean, how can you even think for a second this could be a Mongolian warlord? It worked because it was in the 50s maybe, but there's no way you could get around that now. It was interesting for them to pull up. And I had seen that before. I can't remember the first name of the Native American woman that went

up on stage to take Marlon Brando's award, Academy Award. She basically got up on stage at the 1972, I think, Academy Award show when Marlon Brando won Best Actor in the Godfather and he did not accept it. Like he wasn't there first of all, so he shunned it. And like what a badass, I'm sorry. Like that's how Orlando is hardcore. And he had this American, or excuse me, Native American woman in headdress go up on stage at the award show and basically say I'm here to to I'm here to not accept this award for Marlon

Brando tonight because of the way that Native Americans are being presented in the you know or not presented in the represent represented thank you in the in Hollywood essentially. But that was in the 70s man That is so forward thinking at that point. Dude, if you think about it, that's kind of been happening even recently. I mean, Johnny Depp played... A lot recently, yeah. Johnny Depp played Tonto in the orange.

Yeah, that just shouldn't happen. I disagree with that. Like, even the James Franco thing's a little weird, even though he's Portuguese and he's playing Who is he playing they talked about the film that Franco's doing? Christopher Columbus No No, he's playing at Portuguese guy. No, he Franko's Portuguese. He's playing someone in a new film I'm gonna have to look it up now because I remember them talking about it, but I didn't look it up

because I remember them talking about it, but I didn't look it up. Anyway, he's playing someone who I think is Spanish descent. Maybe it is. Wasn't Franco canceled for some... Well, he's sexual moves, deviancy. Apparently that didn't stop his career. Yeah, has been cast as a Cuban, yeah, oh, he's gonna be Fidel Castro, that's what it was. Yeah, has been cast as a Cuban. Yeah. Oh, he's gonna be Fidel Castro

That's what it was. So he has been cast as the Cuban revolutionary Fidel Castro in the new independent film Alina of Cuba That just happened that was announced on August 4th So, you know, well, I mean I could see him as being Fideli kind of looks Cuban, even though he's Portuguese. But what are you trying to say that you've got to be Cuban and play a Cuban? No, no, that's getting a bit much to because I get to do what are you going to say, Chris Hemsworth can't do a British accent? No playing thought.

I'm not saying that. What I am saying is fucking John Wayne shouldn't be playing Genghis Khanies in the ball. I think we're all on the same page with that one. And Johnny Depp shouldn't be playing Tonto. Makes sense. But look, these are small. I don't know if they're small. They might be bigger problems.

They're bigger problems that we don't typically think about as much as maybe we should. It does upset some people. You know, but again, cancel culture is out there. I can see the opinions on all sides, right? I think the key is to all have an open mind and not just quipi and assholes, you know, like, pick and franco for a role for the,

for the Castro makes sense to me. I get that. Like that one doesn't upset me, but... Some are bad. Some are bad, and just don't be stupid. Yeah. It's a avatink, folks. Avatink.

Avatink. And I like that. Let's end on Dombi Astles. That's good. We're trying. Sometimes we are. Cheers to that. Cheers to that.

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We got bougie. Look, a lot of people are drinking this. Look, Zima came out in the wrong decade. Okay. Okay. Zima should have came out in 2020 and they would be killing it. Mm hmm. Well, all right. es para esta semana. Gracias a todos. Muchos para escuchar, como siempre, choque el web, voy a la Instagram, senta un mensaje y, además, hay un gran tiempo. Gracias, Todd.

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