Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 287 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Mark Zuckerberg Et al.

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

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Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. We got some review and a do. Join us always by totally. Good morning, this morning, buddy. What is the morning? Buddy? Could be anytime when they people listening. Well, it's morning here.

It is true. And it feels great. It is true. Who we got this week? We have Mark Zuckerberg. That's a big one. That's a big guest. I'm surprised in some ways he came on.

But fair play to him. Alex Berenson, soon Twitter. Love that guy. Aaron Rogers, football legend, skipping over the mic, Baker one, if you want to scare yourself about China, it will freak you out. He's a pleasure as always, but it, it just freaks you out. That's. And we, and we skipped our boy Dylan last week, which go watch his some of his specials. God, he's funny. He's so good. Tim Dylan.

Yeah, let's start with Mr Zuckerberg. Adam, why don't you start with this guy? Take the floor. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited. He's on. I love that he's been doing Jiu Jitsu too. You know, you always just see him as such an unapproachable kind of nerd of a guy.

Well, he's definitely one of the biggest nerds, I mean, but that's okay. That nerds make cool things. But you want the nerds making computer things. Yeah, I get it. And programs that get at it. Who do you think's nerdier? Him, like, him and his, like now,

or Bill Gates back in the day, if you were to compare them at the same age. Dude, definitely Bill Gates. Billy. Bill Gates never did any MMA. Yeah, Billy wasn't surf-foiling in Hawaii. I do like that about Zuck. Yeah.

I don't even know if Bill Gates ever even worked out. Who knows? But yeah, it was, I was surprised to see him on. What, give me some highlights here. What was your, what are some things that stood out? Well, I mean, a big part of what he was pushing is defending social media and Facebook. And he did a lot of that. He's obviously representing that company and he has his own dialogue for defending it for

20 years or however long he's made it. Yeah, yeah, crazy. But if let's say that we take his word for what he believes to be true, just for the sake of saying that, right? Let's assume he's not a liar and not to say he's right about what he's saying, but to himself he's not lying. He believes what he's saying. And this is like what he was talking about on that podcast is his vision for Facebook and Instagram and it's what he's trying to achieve. I mean, it's, it must be so messy to kind of keep all that stuff together. I mean, it really, you really have to think when you watch like the social dilemma and those things,

it almost makes that the social media platforms seem like these giant conspiracy theory propaganda creating machines like that's their intention. Maybe it's an unintended consequence. And I'm not trying to defend what it is, but there's a lot to unpack. Well, screw it. How can you decipher the type of information that you put on that? He's saying that they spent $5 billion and he called it a defense budget, which was kind of hilarious, kind of creepy and creepy, to get rid of the bots and the trolls and

the fake pages that are taking being taken down. I mean, that's a huge amount of money. But when you know what, though when Rogan brings up the 19 different, you know, Christian sites that were run by Russians and like Macedonians and stuff and he and Zuckerberg claims to not know what he's talking about. That kind of stuff. I'm just like, really dude, you know you've heard this before. It's on. It's unlikely he hadn't heard of that. Yeah, exactly.

So that's a bit disingenuous, I would imagine. There was some disingenuity. There was some disingenuous things I thought. I mean, when he was trying to defend himself, but look, the guy gets a lot of shit, obviously. He's like anybody who's that famous. So you got to give him a bit of a break. I do like the, his sentiment seemed genuine, although when he kept trying to basically say

that it wasn't that big of a deal for all these Russian companies to basically take over Facebook and use all these political ads. He was trying to defend himself on that one, and I call bullshit pretty hard. That one was, yeah. You know, he went on and on and on at the end. But like you said, he has a lot to deal with, and it seems like he's spending a lot of money on...

Trying to test it. ...so-called defense budget to get rid of bullshit. Well, what was crazy is when he said that's bigger than the like military defense budget of most other countries. That must be true. It's an incredible amount of money that he's spending. And you know, imagine if he wasn't even spending that with his messed up as we know, these social media platforms can be.

Imagine if his budget was only 300 million, less than 10 times smaller. He would be in a disaster out there, because people just came in the system. Companies are countries, anyone that's into propaganda or misinformation, there's ways to do it. You have a lot of propaganda or misinformation, there's ways to do it.

You have a lot of access on those platforms. Yeah, I mean, it was interesting to hear about how, you know, we all know how politically divided we are in this country in America, but in the United States, but when he started saying that other countries who use Facebook aren aren't getting divided will yet because that because there's not a bunch of ads about political opponents on their right isn't that the reason why we become so divided on faith it's face book to me as part of that i think i

would imagine they have political ads in other countries on face book well he was you know he's saying according to the data you know we're we're the most divided right and if you look at face book you can see how divided we are because people are Well, he was, you know, he's saying according to the data, you know, we're, we're the most divided, right? And if you look at Facebook, you can see how divided we are because people are so intertwined with their technologies and bitching about other people all the time. Yeah, you know, whether it's Twitter or Facebook or whatever. He did mention that other countries you don't see that political vibe divide like you do here on Facebook, which is strange. Yeah.

I mean, but also we got to take his word for that. Yeah. Who knows? What about the hologram thing that they spoke about at the beginning, all the AR stuff and VR stuff, having the glasses? Well, I checked out those RayBang glasses that like take pictures and they're like 300 books. It seems kind of goofy.

It's like who needs to end a bit creepy. Joe, call that out. You know, you could cover that light and just be creepy. You could be like, you know, the old guy, the swim pool just filming everybody. I mean, right? Right, he's only got a schedule. You can kind of do that on your phone now,

but it's more obvious because you're holding the phone out. It's like you're a spy now with your little Google, or Google Glasses didn't really work. So how is this going to work? How is this going to be any different? Snapchat had glasses for a wall too. That didn't work. Didn't really catch on.

I think just inevitably in time, it will happen because you're just going to like technology gets better, the things get smaller, you can fit stuff in, that kind of thing. I mean, it's gonna happen. But the idea of the augmented reality, is a great idea. Imagine if one day we just have a contact in our eye. Yeah, it's cool. And it can like zoom, take a picture.

Turn on the projector for your TV. Yeah, just like send an email and you're just like winking on have her works. I mean, reading somebody's mind. I mean, that shit's gonna go down to, Rogan always talks about that. But what the hologram thing that he kept mentioning,

like how soon is it gonna be where you and I are just playing a game of cards or do it or I'm a guest on your podcast or vice versa and all of a sudden, you're not in the room with me, but it sure as hell feels like it, because you're a hologram. Well, I don't think it was really a hologram, it just projects it.

So if you're, if you've got to give the last song, in the future, he would, they were talking about it, right? No, I think it was just through the, like the different types of Oculus devices. So imagine wearing glasses that you can see through, and you see the room like normal. Now all of a sudden we want to Google something and see it.

I guess that. It just puts it on the wall, but both our glasses can see. It's not a hologram though. No, no, no. So the hologram part, what they were talking about is when this, so Joe asks, Zuckerberg, hey, how far into the future is it gonna be where it feels so real

that we don't know the difference? And Zuckerberg claimed that it was, that was pretty far out. Like that could be 20, 30 years from now. But what is gonna happen if you have like an inanimate object, like updeck of cards, you remember he was talking about playing cards with Rogan?

And like something sitting on the table could be there as a hologram, but not really there, right? Like the cards aren't really there, but they're there as a hologram, essentially. I still thought that was all through the... Maybe it is, maybe it is. I don't think he said that it,

there's like some other machine in the room that is producing holograms. Oh, no, no, no. That holograms being the thing that's on the glasses, like an inanimate object so they could recreate that through a computer so it looks real as your plane. Like it looks like I'm passing you a card, you're passing that, right? Yeah, that can't be too far away. Isn't that hologram?

Kind of. Oh, that's what I was envisioning. Yeah. I mean, it kind of is. Because that's how you get it to look like I'm actually passing it to you, right? Instead of it just being in the streets. But it's all in the glasses. Okay.

It just projects it. I mean, it's the only thing in front of your face. That's crazy. And then both of you can see the same thing and move it around. I mean, you basically can do that with Oculus now anyway. I guess I haven't played it. I haven't played with the AR stuff enough. I know you have I've seen your glasses and they're cool shit But it's not real enough

But it's not real enough for me to think that you're in the room and that's the kind of stuff that they were mentioning Yeah, yeah That's pretty cool. It's kind of scary too. Well, I think on was it book, Krasia is set a thing up where he's he films in like the 360. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then you can I'm pretty sure I don't know if this is available yet or if it's something that they're doing, but you can put on like VR. Yeah. And it's like you can sit in the room with that and watch watch him do a podcast and look around and it's kind you can sit in the room with that. Watch them do a podcast and look around and it's kind of like you're there.

I'm sure Rogan's gonna do something similar eventually. Because it takes a map of the room and that doesn't change. So that's essentially what that's how I was hearing it. Like that's your hologram, right? These inanimate objects that you can recreate, like a deck of cards or an orange sitting on the table. It's like, you know what I mean?

It's kind of like that sketch up. Sure, yeah. Similar. You can pass like imaginary notes to each other. That stuff's definitely gonna start happening because it'd just be useful. They're fine ways to make it useful. And it's pretty crazy.

It's pretty, yeah. I like the idea of it. It'd just be interesting to see where it goes What is the thing that they're doing with the the Metaverse right? They're trying to make a world. Yeah, where people create things and you have different stores You can buy things from it's it's confusing to me. I'm not nerdy enough to ever play that But maybe I should stop using the term nerdy. I'm not futuristic enough for this technical I'm I'm technically challenged. That's not true. I'm a computer every day. I know so much about emails, bro

Okay, you're good. Good with your emails. I can type fast Yeah, I don't his definitely his Kind of attitude towards it is that it's a net positive Meaning oh it is help people connect with them people that can't get out and I've it is that it's a net positive meaning oh it is help people connect better and people that can't get out and I've got a feeling it's gonna do something similar to the kids that just sit in that basement plan. It's just weird to do. Dungeons and Dragons all day. It's like you can lose yourself in those worlds because interacting in the real world is harder. Well, we all have to have a third of or no that are, that's all they do is play on that.

I mean, I had kids in high school who, you know, not in high school, maybe more like when we were a little bit younger, who just played video games, but there was a, it was a very small amount. Don't you think that amount of people that are doing that now is getting much larger? Well, yeah, because me that's scary. But the game's a better. They're more interactive. And I mean, I'm glad I glad I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that crap. Well, we were in high school in the 90s. Yeah, they didn't have.

They didn't have. They're a 20-hawks prosecutor. They didn't have a lot of these like online games back then. They had some. I mean, look, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I just think again, it's one of those things you, it's all about moderation, just like drugs and alcohol and anything else. Like, to me, you don't wanna be just stuck sitting around in the metaverse all day and dinking around in your basement.

But I don't know enough about what it's gonna be like. Like if you could actually make money in the metaverse, then great, give some of those people who don't like to be social human beings, give them something to do in their room. I mean, that's great for them. You will be, I'm sure you do your job in the metaverse. So cool.

So that's great for them. I don't really understand it. I don't think I would be that into it, but I like the idea of a podcast being able to do a podcast with someone who's not in the room, but have it feel like they are. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. It opens things up for that. What I hope is if you take the people that have had unhealthy lifestyles and stuck on online gaming in their basement forever, there needs to be some protocols in there that identify

what's unhealthy about it. They like switch it off after so many hours, it gets you to work out. Maybe there's a virtual person on train now. You're being a little bit positive about this right now. I just think you can't stop it. No, I'm not saying you should stop it, but I don't think people are going to be using it as much, unless you think they're going to be using it like Peloton, maybe, yeah, there

probably will be those types of games. But I just think of a dude in South Park, the fat old guy smoke cigarettes who's beating everyone in World of Warcraft. He's like, kick and stand. It's going to make them of course it is. You know, it's going to make them. But that's the world. The way that popular and maybe that's the minority though Hope I don't know I don't know enough about it man. Mm-hmm like what he like Zuckerberg was mentioning that There was just as many sales of this VR or augmented reality glasses as there are play stations Did you hear that? Yeah, I think that's true kind It's kind of crazy. So obviously it's very popular.

Mm-hmm. Yep, and this is just the beginning. I mean, it's, what is he on now, the Oculus Quest 2? I think they call it the Meta 2 now. I don't know, they changed the name. But that's not many versions of it. Think with a PlayStation, they've done five. You wait till they've done five of these things.

Right. They're gonna get super dope. And when people have asked me, like, is it worth getting yet? Or should I wait for the newer ones, the better ones? I'm like, it's pretty frickin fun now. Well, if you're into that sort of thing. If you guys want to come to the stuid when you're up in Boseman, Montana, we've got... Absolutely. No. No. No. No. No. It's not giving out open invitations for people to stop by. Pac-Man It's true. We do have a Pac-Man That's classic Classic game. Keep it simple. The big thing with him though is he has three and a half billion

people That engage with his different platforms. What does he have now? He has Instagram. That's huge Facebook obviously still big even though it seems like only grandma's use it and use though. Yeah that engage with his different platforms. What does he have now? He has Instagram, that's huge. Facebook obviously, still big, even though it seems like only grandma's use it and use it. Yeah, and I like baby photos and dog photos. What could you do? What's app is massive, obviously.

I think it's really big in the US, but it's not used all that much, but in Europe for sure, it's used a lot. In Mexico, you use it to get illegal substances. Allegedly. Yeah, right. Allegedly. But yeah, I mean, these are, imagine having the attention of that many people and trying

to cipher your way through it. I mean, even with a $5 billion budget. Yeah. I mean, good with a $5 billion budget. Yeah, I mean, good luck guys. Yeah, because I mean, Facebook does seem to be dying. So hopefully the metaverse is the new thing for Mark, and you can keep his legacy going instead of dying out like my space. But he does have, like you said, he's got Instagram and WhatsApp.

He's not going anymore. I mean, those two aren't going anywhere. But Facebook is, I mean, even, you know, kids in their 20s aren't using it, even late 20s, 30s aren't, are not using it. And so does that mean little kids aren't using it at all? Like, I don't know. I think they're just doing,

I'm sure it's doing. TikTok, right? It's just, it just seems like people don't use it as much, but I think that you know, there's more people now online than ever before and more people in general. So you know, they're logging in. They're doing that. Grammy. What about the Hunter Biden stuff? Yeah, he was a bit wishy washy on that, wasn't he? Well, he was a bit wishy washy. He said that they did that the FBI

Put him on put it on high alert, which nobody knows what that means. Did that mean does that mean they called him and said, Hey, dude You got to take this down. He he was claiming Zuckerberg was claiming that They just had it so it wasn't going out to as many people so they basically flagged it But it was still going out to people which to me meant like you flag the fuck out of it what are you talking about like i don't know it seemed like a cover-up his answer seemed like cover-up do you be like to do you rogans point do you think that they should just um... like the fby tells them something uh... do you think they should just ignore and allow anything to get shed

i think when it comes to hate speech and things that might be, like, to the point where it would hurt someone, like physically or like a hate song. Hate violence. Thank you. Then absolutely they should take it seriously. I think when it comes to free speech, anything goes, baby. I want to be able to decipher on my own terms what is real, what is not. Fair enough, I like that too, but that is a breeding ground. I'm saying it's good. That is potentially a breeding ground for some

wacky conspiracies. And look, Facebook is a private company. They are allowed to make those decisions. Look, there's no pornography on there. We know where to get that. There's no crazy amount of hate crimes or violence happening there, but there are people trying to set up groups on there, which is a little sketchy, and that's the kind of stuff that they're trying to stop. When somebody's trying to incite a riot or something and start a group on Facebook for white supremacy. Yeah, fuck that. But how to like, again, that is still free speech. So it's a little weird, you know,

as much as I hate racism, if somebody wants to come on campus and talk about it, and I don't know, it's a weird subject because I agree with allowing people to have that freedom, whether I agree with it or not. Yeah. I mean, free speech is awesome, and it can be a pain in the ass too. On that note, let's jump over to Alex Baronson. So, this guy sued Twitter. Big deal. That's a big deal. And he got back on. And trying to sue our government as well. White House, correct?

Yeah, I mean, he's pissed. Come on, baby. But why would the White House even bother to talk? Don't they have bigger things to worry about than they've even commented on Joe Rogan? And his quote-unquote misinformation. It's like, don't you guys, aren't you running a country? You should prioritize a little bit more than how you perceive politically. It's a bad move.

I mean, look, this is a big deal for them though, so I think they're going to take it seriously, and they're going to have to, because this is a big deal, getting sued. But this has never, has this ever happened before? Us finding out about the government hiding information through a private company, this is new shit, this is a new, what do you mean, hiding it? Well, like suppressing it. Well, all they did is kind of put pressure

on Twitter to have him removed. Right, to try to suppress information, which they didn't like the dialogue. They didn't like they didn't like what was being said. It didn't help them. It didn't help their ideal, ideological ideology. Yeah. Yeah. It helped their ideology. Thank you. Yeah, not good though. That's a slippery slope and I think they're going to be in some real trouble. And just a fact that he won against Twitter. He is a good start for him. And, you know, like he said, a lot of he wasn't he wasn't posting a bunch of insane stuff.

He was doing research. This is what he was finding. He thought it was important that people should know because so many people were just on the bandwagon of falling in love with pharmaceutical companies all of a sudden, which just doesn't make any sense. Not to recommend that. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Yeah, I never believed them and I still got the jab for my family, you know, I just thought it was the right thing to do at the time. If I could go back, I would not get it. Really? I wouldn't get it. Strong stands. Just saying. Mm-hmm. But I love this guy though. I love that he's just speaking what he's researching on.

Like he's just being a journalist, man, a real journalist. And now he doesn't have You know the New York Times telling him what to do is lame as it is that they fired him Yeah, he's just on sub-stack now Back to sub-stack doing good work love flip stack whether you like their Political ideology or the guy that was on Rogan last week or not I mean they're opening up a forum that's freer Rogan last week or not, I mean, they're opening up a forum that's free. That's he has no political ideology. He just wants, he just wants freedom of speech, the owner of Substack.

And he sounded pretty right-wing. No, I disagree, man. He's Canadian. Maybe he was like, I don't know, he was pretty pro-life. He was, well Seth Dylan was definitely pro-life. I don't remember the other, I can't think of his name right now Let me look through my notes, but Regardless sub stack is great because he's not censoring things

Right, he's letting the journalist decide and then the people are then deciding if they want to pay To hear these journalists Ideas right like you have to pay to hear Alex Berenc and stuff. I mean, if you want the the newest updated version of some of his stuff, because I tried to read some of his shit on there and I couldn't because he had to pay for it. Oh, you do. Okay. But maybe he has other things that you don't have to, you know, I'm still trying to figure out how sub-stack works. And I mean, it's easy. Some people have to pay for their content,

others you don't. I figured also they would give you maybe some free articles of people just so that kind of pulls you in. It's like, hey, if you like this, then. Yeah, I think it was good. Chris Best. Chris Best. Chris Best, I was getting those two confused.

Yeah, he didn't talk about pro life, anything. Oh. So yeah, so back to parents and though, it reminded me of Glenn Greenwald, similar thing happened with him, right? And it just goes to show when, at least in my opinion, when your company is getting paid 75% of your advertising revenue is coming from Moderna

Faza. Yeah, are they gonna allow Descending opinions on there They're vaccine yeah right dude. Yeah, there's no freaking way So here we go. Let's start something like substak, dude. The newspapers are already pretty much done for. Like, let's go. I'm ready for the new media. They talked about CNN, right? And CNN plus and how that was a total disaster.

What do they lose? 300 million and two weeks. Nobody believes anything anymore. They clean in house, though, over there. And Rogan did say they've got rid of a bunch of those people What's his name Brian Salza Salza the guy who they Members like me to don't know Yeah, but they made Rogan look like he had John this remember that was so bad like come on

It was crazy how they colorized his face and made him look all sick He's it basically. He's like I've had COVID for 36 hours. I'm feeling a lot better. Yeah. They made him look like he was dead. He looked like the Hulk. They hold tomorrow. That's bad name.

But parents and I am rooting for this guy, man. I'm rooting for him. You know he's going to come back on when the lawsuit with the White House is in full effect. It was interesting when he was talking about Fauci about how you know Fauci stepping down now probably because if if the republicans win you know they're gonna try to just crush him i don't see what difference it would make they would because basically

saying they can't really subpoena him when he's not a government employee right it's harder to it okay why he, he knows, but I feel like, look, if you want to get someone, I mean, it's not gonna make a difference whether he's employed or not, as long as he's inside the country, they can get some questions going. Well, for him to come out and say,

he never said that people need to stay home or they're gonna die. You know, that's just ridiculous. Well, they played that video didn't they? Yeah, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. But the gain of function research, I mean, we all know he did, he was doing that. We all know he was promoting it.

Obama tried to get rid of it. Then Trump came in and the Wuhan lamp was open back up, right? And now everyone, who this was now something you would get kicked off a Twitter for in the past for even mentioning that it came from the Wuhan lab. And now it's like, it seems like every, yeah, right. But it seems like everyone, like there's no descending, descending opinion on that anymore. Not many. Not many. Why the frick aren't we talking about that, Adam?

Uh-huh, it's a big deal. Right, so people need to go on sub-stack and learn about things that are happening and are not getting suppressed by our media because it's so much of it is changing now. It's such propaganda. And Joe said that in his apology video. It's like, look, misinformation today is not what it will be in the future. You know, back then, if you said not wearing a mask don't do anything. That's misinformation.

Yet today, they're like, it probably doesn't do anything. All right. Well, now they might be saying that. They weren't saying that before. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So, it's changed. Right.

Same thing with the lab. That changed. It also saying the vaccine stops you getting the virus and being able to transmit it. It all definitely stops it. So get it. And now we're like, no, you still get it and you still can transmit it to people. Scary thing for me is that, you know, I know several people who have given the vaccine to their children. And that, that's just, I just don't agree with that at all. I mean we don't need to keep going on this topic. I mean obviously the point of this is that Baronson had ideas that are

basically true now. They've come to find out and he was not allowed to write about them and he got fired from his prestigious job as a journalist for how many years at New York Times like 20. Yeah ridiculous. Come on. Says a lot about that news platform though, and people should pay attention to that. They're owned by the media, the media's owned by these companies who are giving us the vaccination.

Pretty much. They're definitely advertising a lot though. Right, but who else is advertising? You know how freaked out media companies must be right now? That's their only advertiser. Yeah. They're freaking out just as much as fucking magazines are. media companies must be right now. That's their only advertiser. Yeah.

They're freaking out just as much as fucking magazines are. Well, they should get sponsored by Athletic Greenson. Better health. Yeah, guess what? You guys might actually not get COVID if you're a little healthier. Yeah. Be healthier.

Or you'll get through it like a cold. Yeah, eat greens. Yeah, lots of greens, you know. Get some on it equipment, eat greens. Yeah, lots of greens, you know get some on it equipment work out. It's just it's it's a little scary How much 1984 the book is becoming so real and And like they're erasing history and thank God we can look back on people like Fauci Fauci and say no you said this bro But as soon as those things go a little bit further into the past, we tend to forget the past pretty quickly.

And that's what's scary. Well, I think what it was, these guys have been around so long. They were used to a time before you could Google stuff. I mean, look at the video with Biden, where he's like, I was topping my class, I got three degrees, you know, bullshit, bullshit. And then they can look it up. And none of that stuff happened to be true. We all do. That is sloppy. I mean, he wasn't that old then. His brain was working. So he was lying. You know where you finished in your class.

Was he as bad as George W. The second? Well, I mean, as far as grades go, I don't know who knows. I'm just curious if that like the battle between those two. I mean, George W. Well, he wasn't the smartest. No, president. He had some great bumbles. Some brilliant online bubbles. sovereignty, baby. He struggled to say a word. A nation.

But I don't know. Did he lie as blatantly as that? I mean, he messed up a lot of things. I just think Cheney was running everything and he didn't know what the fuck was going on. No doubt. He was, yeah, I mean. I mean, I need to get a new job. I need to go paint.

He's like, Cheney, I don't know what's going on. I gotta go golf. I'm gonna go read some children's books. I don't blame any of them. It seems way too stressful for one person to do that job. Well, that's the scary thing about it. There's not that many people want that job. And so you get, you don't get a huge hiring pool

of candidates. Megalomaniacs like that job which liars Yeah, yeah, it doesn't really like attract the best people all right. Let's jump over to Aaron Rogers It's very like COVID misinformation heavy week love it in a lot of ways, right? I just love that the truth is coming out now two years later. Well, it's just helpful to get real information now. It just feels like it's more accurate.

And that's important. Like, I just felt like we were being duped for a long time and it's frustrating. Well, what frustrates me the most is that these companies are gonna get away with it. And it's gonna be like Philip Morris, you know, 50 years later, maybe they might get sued. Like, isn't there a clause in their actual documents that say they can't be reprimanded for a lot of the things that happened because it was like a security, like fast-forwarded

process where they didn't get, you know, it was an emergency situation. So basically, they're off the hook. Yeah, they're immune to any laws. That's crazy. And I guess they was, Joe and Aaron were saying there's some data and documents that they don't want to release for 75 years. Yeah, no, that, it's like, yeah, we're just waiting to work all dead. And then we'll show you where we fucked up.

That's real. That's happening right now. And no one's talking about it because the media is owned by Pfizer. Dun dun dun. Dun dun dun. Well, look, Aaron had a hard time. And I've talked to a couple of people about him being on the show. And their first response was, well, he lied to his team.

And of course, well, they didn't listen to the Rogan part and they're not doing a ton of research into it. So they've heard the click-bady bullshit that the media puts out and they're all on the bandwagon of just everyone needs to work together and just suck it up and get this. It's like he would have got sick. I don't know what the extent of his allergy to that certain chemical would be. But maybe not good. So he didn't want to do

it. protein that was in there that you that he's allergic to. But they, you know, they treated him and other players that didn't get it. Well, pretty poorly, even if they followed all of the rules. I mean, rough. Look, he was immunized, which is what he said. I've been immunized. And that's he was, what he was doing was probably better for you than just getting a shot in my opinion. Give a super ass face. And they're healthy.

You know, they talked about that guy, the tennis guy, right now I can't think of his name. He's not allowed to play right now, two day. Because he didn't get vaccinated. Was it an adult? No, it's not an adult. Some other younger guy, but they talked about it in, I think, Berencine was talking about that as well.

It's like, you're a super athlete. You're going to get through it. And what did he say? He got Rogers was, got the virus from another player who was vaccinated, you know, of course, I mean, whatever vaccinated, not vaccinated, you're going to probably get it and hopefully you're healthy and you're going to get through it if you're healthy. Why aren't we talking about it that way? Because it's all in all. Oh, wow. Ridiculous. I mean, if the White House are going to get Twitter to take people off, that, you know,

they're basically shutting down all information that doesn't agree with them. Because of money, I think. Who knows or just compliance. They just want you to do what they say. Well, that was scary. Seeing the National Health Organization guy saying that it's all about to comply. Or no, that was the Pfizer guy. Yeah, that was creepy.

Oh, imagine the compliance. Imagine the compliance. You're like, what? It's very scary. I look, I have not, I don't follow football a ton. I do, I did know who Aaron Rodgers was. He's obviously in a brilliant quarterback. But I remember, you know, I remember how he kicked Tom Brady's ass and golf

because they just came to moonlight base in last summer, which is, you know, an hour from here. And he could just tell I liked the guy. Yeah, that was the most I had seen of him, honestly. Oh, other than playing football, you know, he's here in talk. I don't listen to press conferences. Other than, you know, listen to this Rogan and I've got respect for the guy and poor guy lost a lot of friends over it, but like Rogan was saying, those weren't really your friends. If they're going to, if they're not going to be your friends after, you know, because you didn't want to get vaccinated. Look, when I was duped at first, I got into a fight with my brother in law

about it, about our children and the school that they were going to. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And guess what? We made up right afterwards, because we're brothers, and that's what we do. We both felt so bad, and it was just opinions. And guess what?

Good for him. He never got vaccinated. Proud of him for sticking up for what he believed in. And you know what? That's everybody's choice. And that's basically what Rogers is saying. It's everybody's choice and you're gonna make me, you're gonna bastardize me and you're gonna bastardize my team because of a decision that I'm making of, it's a health decision. He was allergic. But think about it, right? If we went back to then when you two were fighting, you would have been

If we went back to then when you two were fighting, you would have been on Aaron's case too. It's like, it happened. I don't know if I would have been upset with my brother-in-law for not getting the vaccine. What I was upset about is that our daycare, and this is getting a little too personal, so I apologize, but our daycare was not allowing people to go if they weren't vaccinated.

I was saying that that's her prerogative. I didn't agree with her prerogative. I said that is her prerogative as a private business owner. That was it. That was our disagreement. Which is kind of fairly reasonable on the side. Like, hey man, sorry, this is her decision. But whatever, it was a weird time and it's separate a lot of families that is the point and it sucks that that was the case and luckily we were able to get through it very quickly because he's my brother and I love them but it but like there's still those opinions happening today they're not as bad as they were

but i i would say that most people at this point would be like yeah good for air and raiders but poor guy went through hell for what a year and a half yes and no privileges on the road he was tested every day and i guess the people of the vaccine with tested every two weeks so constantly tested had to go away in a car uh... it i mean in a lot of ways it's it's like a level of discrimination

exactly for and it's a health decision. Like, people make religious decisions all the time that we don't question because it's based on their religion. Like, I don't eat cow or I don't drink milk because of my religion. Who questions that? Like, who questions somebody who says,

I only kosher? No, nobody. Right? Yeah. It's messed up. I mean, and it's good that Rogan has people like this on because it gets people talking about it. It's impolison. It's impolion people talk about this stuff, even though people are kind of tired of it, in a lot of ways I am. You know, yeah, I mean, that's how we get about it. 90% of our hate from is when we mention this stuff and people get so worked

up. Like, look guys, we're having conversations. And also get a life. Yeah. Cheer up. Cheer up, Nick. Like, the world is good if you, well, I can't say that, it's a broad term, but I think if your attitude is what creates your world, right?

I mean, look, just being negative all the time is not gonna work for you at all. Yeah. And be open to changes in thought. Like, I'm not stuck to all my ideas too. Like, look at you, you've come around. That's just you see something different. And it wasn't required.

I'm not sitting around waiting for everyone to agree with me. I'm just trying to make sure that my thinking makes sense. So for me, I think at first I did cling to the narrative, but I think for me it was more like, I don't want to kill a grandma, and that's why I did it. But looking back, I'm like, well, did that really help that much? I mean, whatever. We don't have to talk about it anymore, but I know know what you're saying is what a lot of people thought that I get

We just we were fed this this narrative and it was scary. It was fear based and it was believable and it was believable And it was just one of those things that none of us had ever Experienced and we had to go through it. It really highlights to me though people's thinking thinking. Like, I have some friends now that, you know, in a lot of ways, I don't, you know, I'm still holding conversations with them, but when it comes to their strong opinions about certain things that they're putting together in their mind, I'm kind of dismissive on this. You're saying this is mostly COVID-based? Yeah, I mean, to some degree, I mean, that's where I really highlighted it, because there were just certain elements that you just see him right,

I was like, they closed the beaches in California. And some of my friends were so dismissive of it immediately. Well, I mean, you know, it's just safety, and I'm like, hold on, it's outside and it's a beach. Yeah. You're not closing the door. And don't go if you don't want to. Don't go if you don't want to.

Don't you stay inside all fucking day? Yeah, but they were all over it. And it was just, I don't go if you don't want to don't go if you don't want to don't you stay inside all fucking day They were all over it and it was just I don't get it was like they were just waiting for the next bit of Information that they needed to follow and they just did it, but they also would defend it There was like no frustration in my mind It is very strange the way that we were duped just I mean I it reminds me of Hitler like these people believed this crazy psychopath who was on fucking methamphetamines all day long spouting hatred and they were like yeah follow this guy. The same fucking thing happened here. Everyone's like yeah follow the narrative yeah we're gonna get sick if we go outside yeah this is bad no one was like hey take vitamin D get healthy go to the gym. The only people

that are dying from this are fat and unhealthy already. And I shouldn't say fat overweight, excuse me. But, but like those are the stats now. Pretty much. So like, where was the government saying eat well? At the end of the day, the only people that really did great out of this whole thing. Well, there was some billionaires that made a ton of money, but it was, it's the pharmaceutical companies. Yes. And they're off the hook. Yeah. And like how anyone didn't see that coming, I don't know. Like that to me is, it just astounding. It's, what do you think about the student loan forgiveness? That one, that one loan forgiveness? That one's a mixed

bag for me because I paid back all my student loans. I know plenty of people who haven't and they're probably stoked. I think it's one of those topics. It's not a right or wrong a yes or a no. There's a lot of what have you to quote my friend the dude. It's kind of like a bandaid on a soul that's not gonna heal. College cheaper, but that's the problem. All right, we get rid of the problem. College is expensive. All right, don't talk over me.

Sorry, we got, we got the, they take out the debt, right? Let's say they wipe it for everybody. But then all the new kids go in a school that's still paying these outlandish amounts. That's just going to come back. And what are we going to do? Every generation, we got to wipe that out. It seems to me like, why can't we just say, okay, from here on out, college institutions, unless you're going to a private Harvard or Stanford, fine, make those expensive, whatever.

That's like the 1% anyways that can't afford it or even get in because they're not smart enough or whatever. Daddy wasn't rich enough. Daddy wasn't rich enough to pay for the library, but like, why can't we just make school cheaper? I mean, they talk about free college. Bernie talked about free, you know,

we have free public school. Why can't we have free college? Even if it was free, you know, not university, but colleges, right? Like two-year programs. Like, yeah, first two years are free. After that, it costs X amount. To me, that's more of a solution-based. Not like we're going to forgive your bar tab and then all of a sudden, all the new guys just start up a new bar tab. Well, they've just become such massive institutions with so many employees. Employee upon employee, oh we gotta have a whole other department now to deal with this revenue,

da da da, they've just made themselves so massive and so convoluted. Yeah. just made themselves so massive and so convoluted that they wouldn't even know what to start to make it cheaper now. It's almost like certain government institutions, they get so big that they're justifying their own existence by who knows, doing the books for other departments because they're so big. And it's just, there's just too much money being transferred into the schools.

I think that's the problem. Again, like you said, it's a bandaid. I believe in people just taking a year off anyways when they get out of school. Yeah, go be a plumber. Or, yeah, trade school. You can make way more money way faster. You're not spending hardly anything on doing it.

And don't go to school if you don't know what the hell you want to do right off the bat. I don't think it needs to be this thing that we make people feel bad for not doing that you have to do. Yeah, it's like if you want to do it, do it. And if you don't want to do it, take your off. If you want to do it and take your off, like I just I would just reiterate that taking a year off after high school is probably a good thing. Go travel. Go fuck off. You're 18. You don't have to know what you're...

That's the problem. No one really knows what they want to do. There's a minuscule amount of people who are like, I know what I want to do. Right? Yeah. And it's hard to know what you want to do though. Especially at 18, 19. That's stuff. You don't need to know that. But sometimes you have to go to college, figure it out. And I get that too, and look, I wanted to go to college. But a lot of people are a little confused about it. A lot of people don't know, or whatever they listen to their parents, right?

Like saying that you need to be a doctor or a lawyer. That's to me where it gets screwed up. Is that a lot of these people who are spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on school loans never wanted to be a lawyer to begin with. Yeah. Right, like arts, I went to art school, wasn't that expensive, I paid it off in 10 years, it was like 200 bucks a month for 10 years, I just, it was just an auto pay, you know? Yeah.

And like that's more reasonable. That seemed fine to me, that seemed reasonable. The people that get out the oh 150,000 dollars. It's just so absurd, you know, they're like 24 and Yeah, I mean maybe parents maybe parents need to talk to their kids more and not let them be dumb That seems like a decision that like an 18 year old shouldn't be making on his own maybe well That's the point. That can't again do it.

You know, it's like you can't buy a house at 18. Yeah, so here's a credit card. But that's fun. But that lend you 100 grand that you can never get out of. That's what the fucked up part is. Even in bankruptcy, right? Dude. No, cool.

Yeah. I mean it almost comes back. Look, it was one quote that they said and I want to finish on that. And it, you know, doesn't relate to the student loan thing, but it's look, it was one quote that they said and I want to finish on that. And it, you know, it doesn't relate to the student loan thing, but it's just, it's just like being able to ask questions, right? The same as the COVID stuff, and this is something that happened during that time, it is Aaron said, science that can't be questioned isn't science anymore. It's probably, yeah, I wrote that down. So important to have that. And it's so true.

Dude, you notice that science that can't be questioned isn't science anymore. It's propaganda. Yeah. So yeah, anytime that you're trying to hold a conversation or find more information out about something and people just won't hold the discussion, there's a red flag there. something and people just won't hold the discussion. There's a red flag there. Right? There is. I'm just glad you've mentioned that. I have that start because wow. That is so true in our day and age. Science is supposed to be questioned. Yeah. Everything should be questioned. Right, but science, it like that's the point of science. That's yeah that is definitely that I would say what the fuck is going on we better figure this out and ask more questions they're like no no questions we have all the answers don't question it how can I just bring up the Santa Claus the eating uh ammonita must most area

because I had heard of that before and they brought it up again but I didn't hear of that book this is towards the end they were talking about the sacred mushroom in the cross. Oh yeah, Rogan, I need to read this book. It's wild. Have you read it? No, but it's wild. I've seen a lot of excerpts from it. It's wild because of how long that guy did research for.

He wasn't teen years because sacred scrolls. And the reason they hired him is because he was really good at interpreting old writings. He just came to that, it's not like he went in going, oh, I'm going to fuck all this up for everyone. No, he wasn't this random dude. This is what I'm finding and people freaked out. They're like, oh shit, we can't have you interpret it this way.

So what he's clearly saying that he, they were talking about mushrooms in the text and they like took it out they deleted it kind of the meaning I need to read this book. Yeah, wild. Let's get a copy. All right. All right. I'm that note What a week what a big week go buy some Oculus Quest two glasses folks and stop talking trash on erin rogers the guys awesome is all right he's a good he seems like a great guy and that's it for this week thank you all so much for tuning in and chowie later by

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