Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 291 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dave Smith Et al.

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

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Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the J-O.A.E. review. Took a week off. I went to Puerto Rico. Nice to have you back, buddy. Yep, it's good to be back. We hit a hurricane, both ends, different ones. So I landed in Puerto Rico. I think we were like the second plane in after, you know, the hurricane hit.

And then when I was leaving the country 10 days later, we was like the first day of planes getting back into Miami after the Florida stuff. And that was a different hurricane altogether. I think there was Ian and then we landed, you know, and the devastation they had in Florida. We weren't there long enough to see any of that, but man, that's that place got pretty wrecked from that hurricane for sure. Well, nice to have you back in the stew day. Oh, hmm. Yes, we missed you buddy I did get a lot done though while you while you were gone nice. Yeah, well done

I might not have had any Reason like whether you're here or not. I don't know if it mattered, but I just felt very productive while you were gone He's saying I'm distracting. Hey, oh, all right. All right. All right. What we got this week, we got David Tal, comedy genius, Dave Smith, a couple of days.

Dave Smith was good. And then obviously, you know, the repeat offender Greg Fitzsimmons legend. Did you have a favorite this week? My favorite was Dave Smith. Yeah, you know, I often make my favorites the new people that come on that are impressive because it's like, I haven't heard them, I have low expectations and then bam,

they're just, you know, often very interesting. Dave was that for sure. Though I'm such a fan of Dave at all. Yeah, I really wanted to hear what he had to say. And I just immensely enjoyed that. Yeah, I mean, for sure. And I like that he smokes American spirits, you know, what up?

And they are not a sponsor. What up to American spirit? They taste wonderful. I just had one. On official sponsor. Yeah, but my blood pressure might be a little high, but I should probably stop that. So yeah, Dave Smith, it's all about the clubs, baby. I hope, you know, they talked about Joe maybe starting a club in Houston. He obviously hasn't started his new comedy club in Austin yet. That's win. We're going to go, right? That's in January.

Probably January. But is what he thinks it's getting close. Yeah. Just to hear him talking about potentially starting more than one club is pretty sweet. Really cool. Hopefully this one goes well enough to where he does a few of these. Like, why not? Well, and I think the energy is there.

I mean, Rogan talks about these new comics having the energy. And I really think this new era of comedy has begun already. You know, you don't need to have a Netflix special to be the boss anymore. You can do it on YouTube. There's some stoke there. There's a lot of writing. There's a lot of energy. More freedom. And clubs like Rogan, maybe once Rogan starts this club, other comics will start. What's the reason why other comics in this? Why can't why can't they start them, you know? I think the big thing is that he Rogan saw along with many of the comics that it can be stopped.

A pandemic can stop all of this. Yeah. And who knows what other things could stop it? Like if it happens once, then it can happen again. And if there's multiple clubs in areas that are not likely to close down, that's, you know, it's gotta give a lot of comics some confidence in things.

Well, yeah. I mean, that's the beauty of Texas, baby. Free for all, freedom rings in Texas, baby. She'd probably open a Florida one too then. Yeah, okay. Wow. Just saying that I was gonna shut down. Less hurricane blows him away.

True, true story. Hmm. I mean Dave started in the 80s just like Joe did. You know, there was a, you called it the end of the comedy boom, right? And still kicking. Yeah, got through it. Yeah, it seems like they did go through some interesting lulls in comedy.

Yeah, I mean, what did I like to know more about how that was and how it worked? Well, I mean, I'm curious, like, I mean, I know a tell is an obvious badass and a legend in the comedy world, but what did he do differently to get him through it? You know what I mean, I know a tell is an obvious badass and a legend in the comedy world, but what did he do differently to get him through it? You know what I mean? These guys just stuck out of it, man.

It's not like he got onto a sitcom. Mm-hmm. You know, he didn't pull a sign felled in the late 80s, like sign fell. No. We got through it. Well, I mean, Dave is pretty well known as one of the best joke writers, period, and

just consistently, incredibly funny. Who is he writing for? No, for himself. Yeah, for his own, not for any other, I don't know if he's wrote on any shows. He may have, but mainly he's just a die-hard true stand-up and very well respective but like kind of underrated because people don't know him as well outside of People close to the comedy you think you think so I mean kind of it's he's just not a huge name in the sense of like

Arena selling out, but my god, he could do it He just doesn't push on social media, doesn't care about that. Joe often says that he doesn't really promote himself, but they all know how good he is. It's just, it's just how he does it. He does it his way. Yeah, he seems to be one of those comics that just doesn't give a fuck. And that's what makes him awesome. Right. Well, he doesn't take himself too seriously. I mean, it's hard for him to even hear Joe praise him. So think about that. I understand that though. And he took it. He said, you know what? A lot of

times I struggle to hear this, but from you, it means a lot. And it's because he knows the Joe is been around and wouldn't blow smoke. Yeah, he's genuine. And he's like, look dude, you're this good. That's what I love about Rogan, man. He's a genuine person. He does not bullshit. He does not bullshit. Unless he's bullshit.

Well, unless you know he's bullshitting, he's not bullshit. I mean, that's like, and he really should take Dave on to those big arena things. He said he would. Yeah, dude. I would love to see some footage of Dave doing one of those. I don't even know if he's done anything that well, he's probably done some like comedy festivals, maybe that were really that big.

And obviously he could do it and handle that crowd. But I don't know if he's like selling events that big and obviously he could do it and handle that crowd, but I don't know if he's like selling events that big. Did Dave, was he at the Vulcan with Joe or no? He's probably going to perform while he's out there, I'm sure. Yeah, I thought maybe I thought that already happened, but I could be wrong. It may have. I mean, I know they were obviously talking about Ron White and how amazing Ron White is and how Ron White is

you know pursuing comedy again even after being sober and Healing it. Yeah, he's like Batta now. He's amazing. I love that always love that dude But the fact that he almost quit because of the covid stuff I mean I almost quit because of the COVID stuff. I mean, I just it breaks my heart to think of how many up and coming comics we lost, like the five, maybe they'll up to like five, six years in, but really making some headway. And then that happens. Life goes on. You got to live. Things change. Maybe you moved away from the spots where you can perform a lot. And in a sense, we lost like that, not generation, but that, I guess a generation of comics,

maybe. Right. That seems a little harsh. That seems a little much. But I agree that we've lost some comics, but I think the best comics are going to push through the pandemic no matter what. And they're, you know, maybe they couldn't perform. Right. Like there's no way you could have gone.

So they could be that good, but if they're not practicing and then they, you know, move away, you couldn't. That's it. But, you know, as you know, from being a standup comic, it is an absolute addiction. And the people have to be because it's suchup comic, it is an absolute addiction. And the people- It has to be because it's such a stupid, ridiculous thing to do. I mean, come on, the people who are addicted to it and the adrenaline that you get from being on stage is so addictive that the ones that are going to shine are going to bust through.

So I would say that the people that maybe faded off during the pandemic weren't meant to be comics No, that's you don't think See the problem is people only see the comics the make Netflix and TV when they've done at least 10 years True people don't see the work that comes before them. I mean there are great comics today that like for them. I mean, there are great comics today that like six, seven plus years in, they were kind of terrible. And people were like, why are you still doing this? Like sometimes it just gets to a point where it clicks. What they say, because they say you got to find your voice, right? And I wasn't even close to that. I was like, maybe halfway to that. But it's, it's where you're just, it's, it's what one people expect you to sound like, probably. And then you, you just, all the jokes are

coming from you instead of, you know, or maybe through you, I don't know how to say it, but it's like, you're not, you're not just writing jokes that you think people like. It's like what you think yourself is funny and good, and it's, and it's how you want to say it. And you just take the audience on a journey instead of just placating to them, which is probably what's happening mostly when you're starting out and you're a stand up. Yeah, yeah, I agree. But also, don't you think the best comics are the ones that can bring their personal lives? At least in my opinion, the best comics are the ones

that bring their personal lives and ideologies into the stage. Of course, but they didn't do that from day one. It took them a long time. Probably took them a decade to do that. They had to get comfortable. And if a lot of people stick with it that long, they can find that place. Yeah, but come on, look at Eddie Murphy, dude.

He wasn't around for 10 years. He fucking blew up when he was 20. Yeah, but I think that he's a different breed. He's unusual. I mean, he's exceptionally good. And there are always those people. He was just always comfortable on stage. You know, I think he probably put way more work

in than everyone else too. I guess what I'm getting at is that if Eddie Murphy came up during the pandemic, we would have kept seeing him. He would have figured it out. He would have, like, they talk about Dave Chappelle. They talked about it on this with a tell, about how they, during the pandemic.

They did it. They brought these outdoor shows and they're way harder. You got to do them at night. You can't do them during the day because people are like self-conscious about laughing during the day. But those are fucking hard. That's not like doing a club. Yeah, but Dave was already super famous. True. I need to do that. Let's take Eddie Murphy at 17, where he's hitting the clubs, crushing it, doing multiple clubs a night and so really getting it. And then the pandemic comes, he's not putting on cornfield comedy. Right. Dave had a lot of money and could test everybody and do it.

And look, my point is, having these multiple clubs that Rogan's put together, you know, in different spots in the country that he knows won't close down is just, I think it gives comedy the opportunity to not get stuck like it almost did. Yeah, you know, and lose a lot of those people think goodness. We need the laugh, dude Hey, man. He's a he's a he is a pioneer Right Rogan's a pioneer and he's hopefully like I was seeing earlier hopefully other Comics that are successful maybe a tell is not the person to do this,

but somebody like Bert or... Kevin Hart. Or Tom or Kevin Hart. Kevin has all the money. Maybe they, maybe they, well, yeah. He's probably richer than Rogan. No doubt. Maybe they will start clubs.

And maybe that will create this crescendo. Good word, baby. Of new clubs opening up because we need it because Netflix specials are going, I personally think that Netflix specials are not, yes, they're the norm right now and that's how people are finding comedy. Most people that aren't like way into comedy are finding Netflix specials and are going, yeah, this dude's hilarious, awesome. He's gonna do a tour, he or she's gonna do a tour, that's great.

But having these new comedy clubs that are more localized and more at the heart of the community of wherever they are established at, whether it's Texas or like you said, Florida, what doesn't matter where? Those to me, those are what's gonna create the next batch of amazing comics. Yeah, of course. And that's cool though, because that's it I feel like that's a new thing and I feel like Rogan's starting it. I yeah, I hope so we'll see. I mean don't open them in California then because they closed that shit down any chance they can get Yeah, too liberal Don't walk just too

Too into closing stuff down All right, let's let's save. I'm not gonna hate on liberalism. I'm more of a libertarian, but Yeah, it's it's a shame that these things have been getting shut down over something that really didn't. Yeah, it was bullshit. Really didn't, um, I don't want to get into the pandemic, but it seems to me that had we taken it at it, we could have taken it a different way and kept old people, sick people, fat people out of the equation, and the healthy people could have been fined by standing comedy clubs and doing their thing.

Could have watched comedy. Could have done that outside. And maybe our, you know, maybe inflation wouldn't be so goddamn horrific, right? We're going down a rabbit hole. Sorry. That's all right. But I mean, what was that thing? They talked about the bubonic plague.

Some dude eating a raw marmit meat. Sorry, I had just had that in my notes, but that was totally random. Mm-hmm. Could be weird. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they know exactly where all that shit comes from. How about cameo?

Have you checked out cameo? I wanted to talk to you about that. I've heard of it before, and I'm not surprised the people they listed, They were in the top Group of that Kevin from the office. Yeah, if you guys follow the Jerry companion Putt like Instagram, which is a great Rogan one they he put like I think they're like the top 10 people on cammy I knew most of them. I didn't see that is iced you one of them. I don't think he is

I'm surprised noob dog is Because he's a pro at shoes. I'm surprised, no, he's probably too rich though. Dude, so personal story for a second. Go on. So my brother's wife hired, so you pay people, right? You pay for whatever they charge. It's like, I think it's like 300 bucks. It's like 200 or 300 bucks bucks for like literally like 15 seconds

For them and you give them a script. Yeah, and they say whatever it is you give them that's hilarious And so she bought and I think it was like three hundred bucks for iced tea to wish my brother a happy birthday Fucking awesome. That's so it was so rad. He's like hey Scotty. This is fucking iced tea and I'm here to wish you a mother fucking happy birthday Can you do cam you know if you do impressions? I don't know and I don't know much about it Imagine if you charge way less, but you like look I can do like all ten of these people should we do it? Let me know and maybe we do bad Impression cam you down, high tower. Remember a high tower from a police academy? Well, that's like, it crushed it.

It's good for them. Fuck it, makes money. I was, it's fun. I think Joe should do it. I was surprised to hear that Kevin from the office had the most. And they're talking like, he's making like 12 grand or 20 grand a day

doing these things. No, a day, yeah, yeah. You know, it was like a year they were making like quarter of a million. They weren't making that much. Dude, a quarter of a million dollars a year to fucking do cameos for people. That's ridiculous. Well, yeah, that's a lot of money. But the Kevin from the office skin royalties for ever, dude.

I mean, it's pretty not a lot for me. He probably just enjoys it. I'm just saying as like an extra added bonus income, that's incredible. Not the worst, not the worst at all. Freakin awesome. I do it. It's, it's a cool site. And I actually had forgotten about that site and then they brought it up

And I remembered that I see wish my brother a happy birthday. If you could get anybody to do a cameo who would a big Like Hugh Hefner I mean, okay, I mean Hugh Hefner is one of my idols because he started I mean, I'm a magazine guy. I'm a publisher. So I mean, what he did, you know, he saved the Hollywood sign. The reason the Hollywood sign looks good now. I didn't know that. But I mean, just for like women's rights and freedom of speech, he is one of the, no matter how much shit he will get for being the guy that he is, you know, take women aside, right?

How is he for women's rights? Because surely he's considered like a massive misogyny. Well, that's what I'm saying. And that's where there's this weird line that gets drawn like and I don't know. I don't know what most people think about Hugh Fner, but I think he was one of the I don't know what most people think about Hugh Fner, but I think he was one of the Four fathers for freedom of speech. I mean he when he was doing those playboy club shows Like when they had that club in Chicago the top floor he would do I think it was like Playboy after hours was the name of the show. This is in the 60s and 70s. He was bringing on black artists No one like Johnny Carson was not

bringing on those black artists so like that sort of thing and also women's rights talking about those types of those types of conversations that were happening in playboy like you take away the naked women right and you look at just the articles that were going in playboy, like you take away the naked women, right? And you look at just the articles that were going in Playboy, they were absolutely ahead of their type, like so far forward, so far forward. I would have to say mine would be Alex Jones. Alex Jones, you want him to turn your phone off. Alex, you want Alex Jones to tell you have your birthday?

Not me, but like other people. Cause that would probably annoy some people and I would find out a music. It depends. It depends who he's talking to. I mean, how do we start? How do we start a cameo account? Is it easy?

But probably let's find out. Did you have anything else on the tell? No, just the love of him. And I'm glad that he's still doing comedy and being awesome. And if he did a show that Rogan, like one of Rogan's arena shows, I would like to fly there and watch it. Like to me as a fan of him, like, and I, you know, I like, you know, I think Rogan's comedy is great.

I would like to watch him in arena, whatever. But I haven't. I used to the same at the comedy store. I mean, I would go to a show that he had David Talon for sure. All right. Let's jump over to Dave Smith. You were a big fan of Dave Smith. Tell us about me.

I mean, I think it has a lot to do with, I would say that I'm a libertarian. I would say that I agree with a lot of, I mean, I would have voted for Bernie Sanders, right? That's like where I'm at with things. I want a change. I want to see, I want to see less government, and I want to, and I feel like everyone should have the right to do whatever the fuck they want. Did Bernie want less government?

No, and again, I don't think that Bernie's not a libertarian, is he? He's an independent, which is, I mean, independence are more along that idea of libertarianism. I mean, socially, he's probably wanting government to get in the way of those programs and give more money. He wants more taxes for the rich, which I don't agree on. I think there should be a flat tax. So in my mind, libertarianism makes the most sense.

I just think that people should have the right to do whatever they want with less government control. I've always felt that way. Well, not true. I felt that way in my older years, like after college, I kind of started feeling that way. Yeah. I mean, I think it's good. And there's got to be some kind of intervention

with government to just to make sure certain things are getting out of control. Yeah, no, no. I don't know. Deliveritarians think that there should be a flat tax because I definitely think there should be. Uh-huh. Um, but what I don't follow.

What I really liked about Dave is that You know he look he knows the system is broken He knows that what we're doing is wrong. He knows that all this money going to special interest groups and wars and you know all this like so-called help that we give to other countries when they're going through a change in government or, you know, saying that the Americans are going to save everybody is just bullshit.

And I agree with that. It's like, we need to start at home. We need to bring it back. And that's what I love about Ron Paul. And he talked about Ron Paul right at the beginning. I mean, I don't, what are your thoughts on Ron Paul? Dude, I like watching him interview Fauci. That cracks me out. Ron Paul's the shit.

Yeah, he's like pushing him hard. And that guy needs to be pushed out. What do you think of the recap on Zuckerberg and the FBI? Because when I first heard it, it sounded somewhat reasonable coming from Zuckerberg and the FBI. Because when I first heard it, it sounded somewhat reasonable coming from Zuckerberg, but also very concerning, right? It wasn't like I just accepted it, but I was like, okay, I could see if I ran that company,

maybe I would take that stance. We were talking about the pressure on tech companies to do the right thing. No, directly about the Hunter Biden emails and videos and they're saying it's a Russian dump and blah, blah, blah. Right. I mean, I disagree with that. Here's the problem with it.

They had video of him buying crack. I saw it. It's like, why would anyone think that that was just fake and made by Russians? If they just showed that video, they're like, that's too shocking and crazy to not show. Like there's no way they wouldn't have shown Trump's kids doing the same thing. That would have been everywhere and that would have ended in a campaign. Agreed. Like you're saying, if it was so easy to recreate

and to fake, they would have done that with Trump. That's what you mean. No, I mean, nobody's doing that. Like nobody's like making whole fake videos with somebody and saying that's them. But soon, they will be. Soon, but like we know, like, look, they're not denying that that was him in those crack videos.

Right. It's like if we had this of Trump's kid, they're gonna be showing it and they can't say that's fake. So yeah, if it was a bunch of just emails and documents and shady stuff he got up to in Ukraine, maybe that could be faked and then we shouldn't believe it. So that's a reasonable concern to be like, this might be fake, blah, blah. But if these videos were out there, it's like, what are they, what were they saying?

Well, and, and we know now that what Alex Berenine was talking about on Twitter and the things that he was trying to explain to the American public were actually true. And yes, that's not Facebook, but it's same. I mean, Twitter's the same fucking thing. And we know now that what he's saying is true. And so now he's not banned, right? Because he had to go to court for this yeah yeah yeah and now he's able to be back on twitter but

that the the sad part of that is that our government seems to be creating these uh... the basically our government seems to be creating these narratives that they want and it doesn't matter whether they're true or not they're just going to do what Um, basically our government seems to be creating these narratives that they want. And it doesn't matter whether they're true or not, they're just going to do what they want. Yeah, but the FBI shouldn't be leaning in on this.

But they are. Like that part of the narrative now. Absolutely. So whoever the president is just runs the FBI and they can put pressure on anyone. I think whatever narrative that they want to control, that they will do that. And obviously they didn't want those documents to become public, and they didn't want us to think

that they were real, so they tried to get in front of it and talk to somebody like Zuckerberg, who controls Facebook, and it's like most of people's fucking news for the day is on Facebook as sad as that is. Yeah, the only thing that I felt like kind of backed him up is the fact that he's like, why do I want to get in the middle of this? I'm not like, I want the truth out or I want like information out, but also I don't necessarily need to get in the middle of an American Russian, you know, thing, or even if there's pratt like, it's, it's probably like a difficult spot to be and I'm not trying to defend him. I just imagine it would be. I'm not yeah, all he goes at everything had first and he's like, we're open to everything. Let's go.

Well, but like that, that gets slippery too. I can't remember what I mean, well, it was, it was when, when Zuckerberg was on Rogan, he talked about how they're creating all of these, you know, he's spending literally more than most country spend on Facebook. Five billion dollars a year. Two, to make sure that these bots, these so-called bots, whether they're Russian or wherever, are getting dealt with, right? Yeah.

So I can end up for that. Did you see that he bought out a UFC? No. Dana denies it. I don't know the truth. I'll believe Dana. I love that guy. Yeah, but the last UFC they had it was just really no press just UFC staff and Zuckerberg hanging out with Dana. I didn't see that. Watch your fights. I don't know more about it. I didn't look into it enough to be like, what the actual, like the UFC's version of the story is for like why it was like that.

But I mean, when I'm in COVID, so why are they doing a zero audience UFC? Yeah, I didn't see any of that. Maybe it's a security risk for Zuckerberg, you know, maybe it was just like a polite thing. And Danny was like, hey, you know, you're a powerful guy. I'd like to be in good favor with you. And I'll set this UFC up. Like we weren't planning on selling many tickets anyway. And you can just come and watch it.

You know, yeah, that's weird. I mean, money talks, I would say that that probably has something to do with money Well look people got mad, but it's like look Zuckerberg has been a billion ass since he was like in his early 20s He's like the youngest one. I mean he's probably just got all of the shit that he is ever interested in His whole life. Yeah, I mean, he can do whatever he wants. What did you think about, and I've heard this before about the Tonkin, the Tonkin war or...

Both a Tonkin? Yeah, thank you. About how basically, I mean, this was in the 60s, late 60s. about how basically, I mean, this was in the 60s, late 60s. And it just, for me, it just reminded me of how much our government has lied to us in the past to get what they want. And I think that's like what we were just talking about. They will do whatever they want to control the narrative.

And that is what people need to understand, and people need to come together, whether they're right wing left wing center of the aisle We're getting We're getting false information from the powers that be So that they can control the narrative and make money and that I mean that's been happening For decades, but also you can't not have your government. For one, we're kind of enslaved to them.

But early on, it was like, we need to build a government to be sustainable and a country and have a military and keep us all safe. So now, we're kind of lumbered with them. And yet, they're just not honest and very truthful. I don't... Like, it's no surprise, though. I'm not saying it's a surprise, but right from the get-go,

Dave Smith is talking about how if we just got rid of a few things, right? If we just stopped bombing third world countries, if we stopped jailing people for bullshit offenses, and if we stopped bailing out billionaires, we could maybe have a government that's a little bit more for the people. Like, that's the, that's what's fucked. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's full of people. And that's what it's for the pharmaceutical companies. You had no doubt. And it is a government run in cahoots with billionaires because they are paying all of our governmental salaries who then every, you know, they leave government and then they go

work for a pharmaceutical company or they're lobbyists for another company. And if our forefathers could see what was happening, it would be absolutely, they would be so pissed. They probably expected to be like this. I don't think so, because if you look at history, if you look at what the forefathers, like if you look at what government was back in the day, it was basically you were a person who was who was not getting paid for what you were doing, or you were getting paid

a small salary because you wanted to be there. Right. That is not the case anymore. It hasn't been the case for way too long. Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's almost like when you're in a job and you have the worst Part of the like you know IBM is a good company to work for maybe or like

Google let's say yeah, but if you're the janitor there Then you're at the bottom of the wrong of that good company So now look at it is like living in the United States. You're born here. Great. Lucky because it's one of the most prosperous countries in the world and you got born here. But if you're still the janitor in that country as sucks. So the people that got powerful and moved up through the company, if you're like one of the top guys at Google, then it's a pretty solid place to be.

You're making a lot of money, you're doing the same. So in the same way, governments kind of run like a company. If you don't have power and influence in these things, yeah, you won't work through the channels as well. You're gonna get played, you're gonna get pulled around channels as well. You're going to get played, you're going to get pulled around, it's going to suck. I'm not making an excuse for what it happens, but of course it happens that way. There's no utopia where like the billionaire

has all the same shit as the janitor. There's just no way that it's going to work like that. I get that, but there are some simple processes that we could create so that lobbyists weren't in control and in cahoots with our government. For example, the food pyramid. When those people are getting paid off, and I'm going way back here, but when those people are getting paid off by our government officials to say that sugar is good for us because there's no fat in it and they're getting paid off

how do we stop that we stop that not allowing the government to be bought out by companies that's the problem is that companies are paying government officials to do unlawful things. Right? Yeah. But the, yeah, I guess all lobbying doesn't that just come down to re-election money? That's what it is, right?

It's like, mostly, yeah. Getting elected officials that will do what you say by paying them more. Yeah, but in a sense, it does give, like the super PACs, the super PACs, for example, all right. Sure, but do you think it's an entirely one way street by the companies having the power to like buy off politicians.

Does it mean that they then control the politician and also they influence them? Right, of course they do. That's why they pay them. Yeah, right. Right. But if you take that away and these companies then have no incentive to like, they don't need to give any money to politicians because there's no control factor there.

And they just... But for the people. Right. I mean, that's what I'm saying. So then these companies work for the people instead of working for the government and having the government pretend that they work for the people when in reality they work for the company that's what i'm saying so then then the

politicians themselves entirely work for companies not for people no they would work full people if they didn't have the lobbyists right exactly yeah so that's what i'm saying right but. So if they do that exclusively, do you think that there's some like potential cohesion that is positive that could be working between high level companies and high level government officials? I mean, yeah, there's going to be some fuckery in there. But do you think that there's something that works? I think that if the people something that works. I think that if the people were being represented as much as these companies with large amounts of money, then absolutely. Then we wouldn't be talking about

food pyramids getting skewed towards a company's agenda to make more money. 100%. So then we wouldn't have 50% of America fat as fuck. Yeah, but also that one food pyramid came out of that university. Yeah, and that was dog shit. Yeah, the toughest university. I don't even understand that. But what I'm getting at, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

And to bring it back to the conversation, Dave Smith is very, he just, he speaks eloquently when it comes to, in my mind, just what am I trying to say? He understands that there are certain things that if we changed, it would create such a better system, right? Like, if we could, if we could try to save every other country that's going through turmoil by saying, we're these liberators and we're the best country

and we're gonna save you, if we could take that money and let's just say you crane, for example, and I'm not saying sending you crane money is a bad idea. What I am saying is there's fucking people on the streets who are starving in our own country. Why don't we start with those people? I think that's kind of the thing. Wait, that's almost. Well, just people in general in this country, let's start on our country before we go giving billions of dollars away to other countries. That's what that's all I'm saying. And I feel like Dave has that mentality. Like if we started with our people, let's get people out of jail for stupid crimes.

Let's start working on creating a system where people can thrive in our own country before we try to save others. Yeah. Right? That's what I got out of it. That's definitely his take, but to me, I don't... I kind of feel like there's probably a reason.

I don't know if it's a good one, but there's probably a reason that is like, okay, we have to intervene in shit in other countries because otherwise, if we have no connection to all of Asia, for example, we're just focused on America right now, we've got some connections in Europe, mostly everything else, we just leave it alone. Stuff can get way out of whack. But can I just bring up Iraq for a second?

Yeah, look what happened with companies like Lockheed Martin Like right there a private company that works for the government. They're creating missiles and bombs and planes and All of these things that were paying millions of dollars for a private company to then go and drop these bombs on other countries in Liberation in the name of to then go and drop these bombs on other countries in Liberation in the name of liberation and creating democracy democracy for those so-called Countries right is I rack any better than it was 20 years ago? Fuck no what did that do other than make a bunch of billionaires in our country?

That's all I i gotta say about that yeah we didn't have to kill a million iraqis to make a few billionaires but we did we killed millions of people to create billions of dollars for a few companies you know that's exactly what happened i don't know that absolutely do i mean if you look at the history of dick chanian who he was in kohuts with

absolutely and they said and again this goes back to the tomkey was a shady character this goes back to the tomkin um what did you call a tomkin sorry golf golf the golf a tomkin they are claiming in the iraq war that we had weapons of mass destruction. We all know now that that was untrue. That is why America was for it and also because of 9-11, obviously 9-11. We were revved off. But before 9-11, this is before 9-11, we were talking about weapons of mass destruction.

That was never a thing that was actually true we could never prove that they were doing that that that uh so now Hussein was creating weapons of mass destruction that we know that now but companies like uh i can't think of the other one sorry uh, oh, the hell was the company? Black water, black water. One of those, uh, I think it was one of the questionnaire. Regress. Cheney was on the fucking board.

So yeah, they were cash and in. Anyway, what about the last bit of Putin saying you like, fuck with me too hot, I'm definitely using nukes. I tried to look that up thinking that would be like a video of it or there isn't that I found. I guess he said it though because there were reports. Yeah, but do you believe those reports? I don't know if I do. I don't know, man. I mean, if you look at history, if you look at history, do you think that's true? I would say 50, 50, that's true.

Dude, I feel like Elon Musk needs to make some sort of laser thing, right? They'll hold on, stand by. This is some Tesla shit. Yeah, he needs to make that, so there's like no nuclear fallout. And all you do is just find out exactly where people are and you just Zap him with a laser. I mean people have phones you're gonna be in a narrowed down

You know, yeah, man. Let's say you just know he's in a big building, but you don't know where the laser just spins around Draws a picture and just the zaps everyone inside I mean, we can't have people potentially trying to fire off nooks. It's a huge fucking problem. Yeah, no, I agree. How hard are those lasers to make? No, I agree to that. But someone needs to make a speaking of a new thing I agree with.

Just one more thing that I have have because I do really believe in what I do believe in what they were talking about. Drugs. No, no, no, no. This is a good thing with Dave Smith. He was talking about how all drugs should be legal. And I agree with that. I absolutely agree with that.

I mean, the death toll for 18 to 25 year olds, the biggest death toll is fentanyl and overdose. Yeah, that's hard. We can stop that. If we, and look, I'm not saying I know the answer. Like, if all drugs were legal, how do you then figure out a way so that some people can't get their hands on them? I don't know.

Well, you put age limits on it. Some licenses. Like, and again, like we see it with weed. We see it with weed. You got to be 21 to buy it. That's fine. I get that. That's great. But I also, I see some discrepancies there with weed. Like weed is so strong. I don't want my kids smoking weed. And he's going to be able to get it before he's 21.

I mean, that's just a fact of the matter. But if my kid's gonna blow a line of coke, I would hope that it's legal so that at least we know that it's cocaine and not fentanyl, because he's gonna do it anyway, right? That's where I agree with that. Not everybody does coke. I'm not saying everyone's gonna do it.

What I'm saying is if you're gonna do it, at least you know what it is. Yeah. Look, man, it's risky to take drugs anyway. At different times. Different drugs, different amounts. It's all risky. But if they're all legal, we know what they are.

None of them should kill you. Right, none of them should kill you. Right, right. Where you can be on the other side. Make some mistakes and fuck up, but yeah, it shouldn't carry you. And maybe there is a way. Maybe there is a way to like legalize it

and get tax money from it and keep people mostly being responsible. I mean, if there's good, I think it's just good education. I mean, even people that I've known that have got into Coke, you know, they didn't necessarily do it forever, and I don't think they destroyed their lives, the people I know.

I mean, there are plenty of people that have, but there are also users that are responsible. And they come into it for a moment, maybe it's like in their 20s, a bit into their 30s, but then they get more responsibilities, and they get kids, for a moment, maybe it's like in their 20s, a bit into their 30s, but then they get more responsibilities and they get kids and then just like, you know what, this doesn't really fit with what I'm doing. I'm getting all the...

If you have kids, you gotta stay up. You know what I'm saying? You don't get enough sleep, you gotta stay up. Get some coffee, get some coffee. High potential. So that, yeah, I mean, look, that was an intense conversation. No, I like that guy. I thought he was good.

I thought he was good. I hope we get him back on again. Let's jump over to Greg Fitzsimmons. Bless him. Greg, he come on, brilliant. This one was off to a good start. What did you think about the star on this? I think that I look, I thought this was a great talk.

I think that when they were talking about working out, I mean, they got right into how working out keeps people from being depressed. It's so rough to be able to. I think about that all the time. I am an individual who struggles with depression. And the best way for me to get rid of it is to work hard and to work out. There's two things.

I work my ass off so that I'm not scared or feeling anxious from not getting shit done. So like my procrastination creates depression with me. If I'm not doing that, I'm getting better. You're a professional procrastinator. At times. I'm getting better. You're doing great. I'm getting better, but you are pretty good at it.

These are the things that create anxiety, which like anxiety creates depression for me, right? Yeah. So if I can stay on top of things work wise, I'm usually not depressed, but if I am, if I'm on top of my shit and I'm still depressed, go to the fucking gym. If I go to the gym and you and I have talked about this plenty, if we go to the gym and

make ourselves like, you know, Joe talks about this a lot, do the cardio. Run three miles as fast as you can. I guarantee you, you're going to feel 80% better. Guaranteed. That's a long way. Guaranteed. That is literally, I need... Oh, get some kettlebells if your knees are fucked up.

This shit you can do. There's always something. And then by doing that, you just feel better. Well, you don't have as much clutter in your brain when you just feel better. And you're more, and you're like, you don't have as much clutter in your brain when you get to work. Well, that's what they say. It creates this peaceful mindset

where you don't have this chatter and this negativity. And they talk, I mean, they, they went on and on about this right at the beginning, which I loved because creating a regimen where you are pushing through because creating a regimen where you are pushing through that negativity, and I don't know any other way to do it. I don't know any other way to do it. Maybe making art for some people it could be making art for some people it could be gardening for others. It could be just going on a walk. Maybe going on a walk is good enough, but for me, rigorous exercises, what gets rid of depression for me, but it has to be rigorous. Like if I go

to the gym and I work out like half ass, I almost feel worse. Do you? Yeah. You just know you fucked it up. Yeah, I'm like, no, I didn't fucking try hard enough. Like I'm just too hard on myself. And I feel like Rogan's that way too, but he just knows that he has to do rigorous workouts every day no matter what.

Oh yeah, that guy hammers for sure. Right, but he's also never depressed. But hold on, sometimes I go in and kind of have acid. It's like I build up a little bit of space with myself. I'm like, yeah, I really hammered it this week. It's Friday, you know, I'm just like I'm gonna go maybe easy Yeah, but you go to the gym every day, but you go to the gym pretty much every day every day. Yeah, okay, so For someone like me who goes three times a day when I go those three times a week. Sorry

Damn three thousand. Hey those those three times a week I Damn, three thousand, those three times a week, I have to try my hardest. Yeah, they can feel like I've discounted myself. That's true. And that was interesting to hear that. They could come into the studio and stop my stuff away and like lose maybe some of my barbeque tools and Yeah, it all plays in it all plays in Yeah, it does it creates it creates a Not to get to off track

But I like talking about the fitness thing. I think it's important that When you go in do you have a plan ever at the gym? Yeah, well, do you just's important that when you go in, do you have a plan ever? At the gym? Yeah. Well, do you just make it up as you go? Because that generally isn't the best way to do the good sessions. If you know what you need to do, you're going to do it. I would say that I have a routine that I typically do.

I typically do the same routine. I will run a mile as fast as I can. I will go on the stair, and I do this at the end. I will start with weights. I'll do the weights that I typically do. I'll do the squats that I typically do. And honestly, I wish I was a little bit more, I wish I had more variety.

No, just variety, what I do. But I typically will do like the bench press and I'll do the curls and I'll do the squats and I'll do the pushups and the situps and then I'll run at the end as fast as I can for a mile and then I'll do the, you know, not the elliptical, I can't stand the elliptical, just the stair stepper.

I'll do the stair stepper for 10 minutes solid. Pretty much as fast as I can. I like to do as rigorous as I can for the shortest amount of period. Yeah, I did that this morning, it's brutal. And there's just something about doing that rigorous shit that you're like Pissed the whole time you're doing it, but when you're done, it just feels so much better I that's when I listen to Rogan in that. That's great. I just put it on the that's like a great time to do it

Because I'm like focusing on something else. Yeah, that helps a lot. I need to try that Yeah, because the whole time I'm doing the fucking stairs. Depper, I'm pissed off. Yeah, well do something else. Also, you got a trick your brain. Come do some kettlebells sometime. Yeah, I need to give you some variety. I mean, at the end of the sober October talk, they talk about the first time they did it when they got the My Zone, and I got that same thing.

Joe got, I remember when he posted it, he got 11,000 points in a day. Dude, I had that my zone for a year and a half. Remind me what that is again. It's a good chest strap. It measures it on the app. So it was before they had really good things like whoops, straps and other stuff. Dude, I couldn't even get close to ever beating that.

How Rogen ever did that at his age? It astonishing. I mean, also, yeah, they definitely almost killed themselves. Oh, I wanted to talk to you about the hypnosis. If you ever tried that, I haven't, but I've thought about it plenty. I've wanted to, I've wanted to do hypnosis. Sounds really interesting, right? What do you think, like you can gain from

it? I heard people can like quit smoking and maybe like habit forming things. Joe kind of talks about it is like it's a very this like relaxing state that you can get into. Do you think it would just be good for stress and I mean I would tell you what I would use it for I would use it for the temper that I have the anger the anger that I can get into easily with my son and my wife and as much as I love them I can get into and I've I mean therapy has helped with this a lot but I would like to think that hypnosis could also help. Of just like calming down my temper, you know, like reaction to things, right?

Like instead of just reacting instantly to something that pisses me off of just being able to like, somehow not get to that point where I'm just reacting that heavily. Yeah, I mean, temp is a bad thing. Because that's a problem. And you know, you don't lose your tempo though with me, ever. No, I don't. I lose my temper with, I can lose my temper with my two-year-old though, you know.

Makes sense. If he's doing something or crying or not listening, which is ridiculous, right? Because he's his two-year-old. These two, bro. These two should be the last person I have attempted. These two, for me to say, I don he's his two-year-old. Like two, bro. It should be the last person I have attempted. He's for me to say, I don't have a two-year-old, but also it's like, he's two. It's the last person I should have a temper with, right?

But I'll get there. And again, these are things that I have been working on, but there's also, I would also say that I would love to be hypnotized out of my depressive states, too. I don't know if that's a thing. Yeah, they just hypnotize you and then say, Hey, chill the fuck out. Yeah, it's like that dude from office space. Was that office space? Yeah, just like, snap. He's just fine. He's just like, yeah, daddy, daddy. I love working in an office every day. We're good. Just flaying his fish on his desk. I will say that like honestly though

I feel like my therapist can do that. Like I feel like my therapist honestly I've told my therapist that dude you hypnotize me. Like I like whatever you just did last week, I have completely changed the way I'm dealing with my issues right now. That's good. It's nice to get a therapist like that. But there's a good ones out there, man. You just got to look around. Yeah, but I'm sure him knows this could obviously help with that too. I just have never tried it. I don't know who does it.

I don't know like, I don't know enough about it. But there's also thought processes. I don't think Rogue never did therapy, but he's always been very introspective. I mean, take for example, when Greg was saying, people only make as much as they think they're worth. Oh, that was good. I loved that. Well, he's dead. I told him that, right? Yeah, and I like it too. I think it's true in the sense of what it means is, you know, people are holding themselves back from what their potential could be through

the fears. And even if they start to make more, they don't think that they deserve it or are worth it. And you know, and maybe even when they start making more money, then they value that so much that that's all they focus on. It's like, where will I be this year, next year, the year after it's like any corporation that just has to have like infinite growth.

It's like, oh, if I'm making this much now in seven years, I'll be making this much more. What I loved about hearing that is, as much as that resonated, Joe just jumped in and just was like, yeah, but also don't think about those things. Just think about the thing that you're doing and get better at it. He's not looking to where his comedy is in four years or where his podcast will be. It's not to say he's not ambitious, he is.

He just is ambitious in a different way. He just focuses on what he's doing. Right. Like, hey, let's say you start a tire company and you're just learning it and you're getting into it and you're making some money and you're just, you know, instead of thinking, wow, in five years I could be making this much money. Like, maybe that gives you the confidence to struggle through times when you're like really not making anything because you're like, hey, this is an investment worth something. But if you believe in it and you just focus on the task in hand, right? Instead of like laying tile all day, wondering how much money you'll be making

in seven years, you just think, let's make to this look amazing. Let me lay all this tile as well as I can or whatever job it is you're doing. You just crush it. Eventually, you're going to get so good at that. It'd be undeniable and worth this, whatever the money stuff is. Absolutely. But focusing on that is just too stressful. It seems like that was the absolute best thing that I think they talked about was stop getting in your own way. Talented people will fuck themselves over by. Yeah, don't sabotage yourself. Self-savitation.

I mean, self-savitation. I've done it a really, I've done it so many times. You let yourself, you basically talk yourself out of it, right? You talk yourself out of being successful. Yeah. It's like get over yourself instead of just focusing on the work, which what, what, to Joe's point, focus on the work, do what you love,

focus on that success is going to come when success comes, keep focusing on the work, right? Yeah. Keep doing what you do, but making it better and don't think about the money aspect. Is hard as it is, it's not easy. Well, I also don't take yourself too seriously. And it's a discipline.

It's straight up. And we all know that Rogan is a discipline mofo. I mean, he always has been. That's why he's so successful. Yeah, we get to learn a bit. No one, no, yeah. People can say all sorts of things about Rogan. They can't say he's not successful and disciplined. Mm-hmm.

Like, that doesn't, that doesn't even equate to him. Yeah. But it's like a good mindset too. But yeah, concept, to me made a lot of sense. Well, yeah, just concentrating on being better at what you do and just concentrating on that and not worrying about the existential and the things that come with being successful. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's really important. And not, you know, not everyone can do that either. You got to make money. But I think if you're doing what you love, the money's going to come.

Money's going to come if you're doing what you love and you're doing what you love, the money's gonna come. Money's gonna come if you're doing what you love, and you keep doing what you love because you love it. The money will come. It might take a while. But it takes a while anyway. It takes a while. It takes a while if you become a lawyer. It takes a while if you become a doctor.

It takes a while. Yeah. It's always an investment. It's a way to enjoy it. It sounds so easy. But honestly, it is. That's hot. Yeah. But no, I was's always an investment. It's a way to figure out a way to enjoy it. It sounds so easy, but honestly, it is. It's hot. Yeah, but no, I was gonna say it is. It is easy if you focus on what you're good at

and just focus on that. Mm-hmm. Then it kind of is easy. And I like that that was the message of that podcast because these two have done it, right? Yeah. They started in comedy together. There's a great story of Greg and Joe,

like looking at a comedian on stage that just does it full time and then saying to each other, wouldn't it be amazing to pay your bills doing this? And now they're in a position where they can just pay their bills, however they want to. So like podcasting, stand up, the rest of it. It's, of course they believe this path.

And I, you know, I don't think it's like a completely unfeasible path either. You know, you don't need to be a super athlete to like be good at stand up. Or most things, you can just practice a lot. There are certain things that you just can't do. You and I couldn't be UFC heavyweight champions. Never going to happen. I don't want to be. But there's limitations. What I'm saying, there was a lot of things if you just really dedicate yourself to it without the complications of one sabotage and two, you know, you like kind of fantasizing constantly of where you'll be and what you're going to make of yourself. You just focus on what you're doing. I mean, have you

heard the... Well, like that NFT guy. What's his name? Bebop, Bebobop. Damn it. He does art every day. He was a great guest on Rogan, just a brilliant artist. He came on, he's making like a hundred million in 18 years. One N.N.N.N. or something? Yeah, dude. And his art is brilliant, but he just loves that. I for sure, if he was not making any money doing this and found a way to survive, he would still do

the same amount of work and the same quality and do it for next to nothing. He just loves doing this. It reminds me if you ever heard of the Thousand true fans I'll have to send it to you. No, it's called a thousand true fans So if you have one thousand true fans that will give you a hundred dollars a year on whatever it is you do I don't care what it is you do if you can find a thousand people to give you one hundred dollars a year That's a hundred grand and to to most people, a hundred grand is probably more than they're making right now. Right?

Doing some shit job that they don't like. No doubt. So I've thought about this a 1000 true fans thing. It's like if I can get a thousand people to like what I do and keep them stoked and it doesn't matter what I'm doing other than focusing on those 1000 people, if they pay you $100 a year, that could be, you know, maybe you sell pottery, maybe you sell art. And I'm thinking of this as a creative. So I'm thinking of as an artistic way, but you could sell other things too. You could sell services for $100 a year. You could be a plumber and sell your services.

It's a little bit of a weird way to think about it as a plumber, but as an artist, if I'm selling a product, whether it's a magazine or a t-shirt or a piece of pottery or a piece of art or a print or whatever, if I can get 1,000 people to give me 100 bucks a year, that's 100 grand. Not many people need to make more than $100,000 a year, right? That's a lot of money.

It's a top. You can live pretty well off 100 G's a year. You don't need much more than that. Again, depending on where you live, maybe an L.A. 100 grand and I'm enough, but you know what I'm saying. It only takes a thousand people to, you know, still go. Do you think that everyone one day could just do

the kind of work that they want and the world would work? I think we're working towards that. I would love that idea. We got to mechanize a lot of shit jobs in order for that to happen. But imagine if everyone could just do the work they love. Yeah. Well, we also have to change our school system

because the school system is completely screwed up as far as what we teach people, how we teach people, trade schools should be an absolute thing, right? In Europe, they are, they're not in America. Everyone, you got to go to college and pay way too much money for an education that you may or may not ever use again. So that, to me, it's like you got to step back and say, okay, what are people into? What do they want to do with their lives?

Start there. in high school? Like there's a lot of people that shouldn't go to college, but they do and then they end up in debt And Rogan talks about that a lot. So that's a whole another subject But like I agree I like that is starting to happen and I think that's why you see Right now that you can't find enough people to be bartenders right now. You can't find enough servers. You can't find enough people to work for UPS right now. UPS is having an absolute horrible time trying to find people to drive around their trucks.

You can't even go into Wendy's. You're going to go through the drive through. Right. Well, people don't want to do that job. I don't blame them for it. I like to walk into Wendy's. It makes me sad. But I get it. I don't want them to do it either.

I do. Yeah. I get it to. I don't want them to have to do it. I get to make a machine that just like flips burgers around and puts it all together. I agree. Do that. I agree. Anyway, on that note, I think we we covered it. What a week. What a week.

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