Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 293 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Rick Rubin Et al.

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

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What up, Rogan fans. Welcome to another review session. Here we go. Here we go. Todd, what did you think of this week? You know, not as exciting as last week, but Rick Rubin made up for it because I'm a huge fan of Rick. My brother is a record producer and he, you know, is also a huge fan of Rick, but I remember

listening to the license to Il album back in the day when I was in, I think, probably second grade that came out or something. second or third grade. So good. I would sneak down to his room and listen to the tape and you know then I didn't know Rick Rubin had anything to do with it but I remember listening to that album over and over and over and over again. So good. Yeah I really like that early on that Rundy MC song with Erisath, I feel was super cool. Yeah. I don't know how old I was when that came out really young, but I just thought it was brilliant. Yeah. He's clearly a, he's a legend for sure. You want to start with him?

Yeah, let's start with him. Let's get in there. Why not, dude? The guy's been around forever. I loved how he said, you know, Rogan was like, you know, how'd you get into this? And it really is answer was just like, I never expected to make money with this. I just did what I liked and did other work. And then eventually this became my work. He's like, I don't deserve it.

Like I just enjoyed it. Yeah, well, I mean, he clearly has a really good sense and a taste for music. I mean, no doubt. He, I mean, just that first story he got into talking about the treacherous three signing with this other band and he was just there at the club listening

and then started a conversation with him. That was cool, Modi was the artist, the rapper rapper who, you know, ended up doing his own personal bit. He did records. I remember posters of Cool Modee as well in that same era in like the late 80s, but he talked to his brother after the show and his brother knew somebody in a different band and he just said, hey man, your new album doesn't sound as good as the last album. What happened?

And apparently they had signed with a new record company and it was just produced differently and he was just being honest with those guys. I'd sound different what's going on and they could just tell that he knew what he was talking about. Right. This this this large white dude with the huge beard like such a carrot they listened. Yeah he looks like he should be like a fisherman or a wailer from like 1910. Yeah and instead he's making the dopest music. He brought cool fucking people. Oh, he brought hip hop into mainstream I mean, he was the guy him in Russell Simmons who started deaf jam. They They brought hip hop to mainstream. I mean with Beastie boys with Rundy MC and then of course when like they were talking about with Aerosmith that was the culmination of, well,

that was like the ultimate early crossover event. I mean, huge. It made every suburban white boy like Rundi MC, that's for sure. So good. You know, and it's weird that that was so good and so interesting that I'm surprised there wasn't more crossover events, you know, moving forward for a long time. They're kind of rare. You know, one of my favorites is Jay Z with Lincoln Park. Remember that? I don't remember that one. Dude, it was just brilliant. I mean, it just took all the Lincoln Park music and it was like Jay Z kind of wrapping over, you know, the same tracks. Well, that was Rubin too, then. That must have been Rubin. No doubt. Yeah, no doubt.

I mean, how about when he talked about Jay ZZ, how he could just hum a tune, like, he'd be in the studio, and Jay-Z would just hum something, like, Ruben would play a beat, and Jay-Z would say, yeah, that's good. I like that one. Let's keep that going. And he would sit there and he would hum. I had to heard a rumor that he, you know, I don't know if it's a rumor of, like, it's well known, but like, yeah, he doesn't write anything down, Everything's in his head. That's how he does it. Yeah, that's really all I know.

Hearing it from Rick saying, oh, no, we played the beat for 99 problems. He just sits there. And I've listened to that song, like at least five times this week after hearing it, because there are so many verses that are so good. The verse where he gets pulled over by the cop, and he's like talking about knowing his rights and then, blah, blah, blah, and then 99 problems, I'm just like, can it be possible that he really just sat there and came up with that in his head and then when it did it on the spot?

I wanna believe that that's real. I will. It's like I just want to. It's almost like believing in superheroes. That's such an incredible skill that I couldn't even imagine being possible. Though he said no one else, he doesn't know anyone else they can do that. Right. Or saying that M&M was, he would write 99% of the things, speaking to 99 problems, 99%

of the things that M&M would write down, he wouldn't even use. He would just do it to keep that muscle growing. Yeah, that memory muscle growing. Well, it's a bit like stand up. So I mean, Joe talks about it a lot. He writes a lot. And yeah yeah 99% of it is garbage Like you just can't use it, but you just got to keep going and maybe something somewhere Comes together makes sense

like Works, I guess you know these people all have different processes, but at the end of the day they make Incredible shit that lasts forever. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was just looking at his, at the music that he has produced in his lifetime, and the bands are all over the board. I mean, Slayer, Lincoln Park, Wu-Tain Clan, B-Steep Boys, you know, Blood Sugar Sex Magic, you know, that was the most iconic in my mind, the most iconic Red Hot Chili Pepper's album. No doubt. I mean, it's still to this day holds up to some of the best albums of all time in my mind.

Have you ever seen them live? Oh yeah. Dude, I saw them in California. When they did California, like the place just lost this they're fun. They're fun to so good. Yeah, so good. And still really quite old school, you know, with their lights and set up and everything, it's like a lot of bands today, like you go watch Coldplay or some of the more modern bands. And I mean, it's it's like a theatrical experience. The lights, the whole mood,

like how much money they put in everything, the chili peppers kept it real simple. They had like a bit of a display on the ceiling that would move around, almost look like the bars on Esterio moving up and down, which is kind of cool, but everything else was as old school as you can imagine, and they crushed it.

Yeah, I mean, they they're they rock for sure. And they're still putting out studio albums. I mean, Ruben was talking about their newest one. They have a new double album. He produced just recently. I need to listen to that. Is that out yet? I think it just came out.

Yeah. Nice. It was crazy to hear that, you know, he became Is that out yet? I think it just came out, yeah. Nice. It was crazy to hear that, you know, he became a vegan with thinking it was like health choices and then got super fat. And, you know, I hate banging on about vegans because Joe does it enough and it's almost like, I don't know, I feel like it's like pretty harsh for them. But, I, my brother was a vegan for a while,

a good friend of mine back in England, it's like, it's quite popular in England recently, and yeah, they're, they're both guys are fat. Really? They're just the in bread all day. Yeah, I don't know what they're both guys are fat. Really? They're just the in bread all day. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing, but it's like, you know, if you do it for the moral bit, it makes sense.

Totally. But if you also are adding in, oh, this is for my health, and then you look like a potato, it's like, hey, stop eating potatoes. Well, there's a difference between, this is for my health, but if you don't watch all the carbs you're eating with in the, you know, the, the soy that you're putting in your diet, all the time and French fries and like you said, potatoes, all the stuff that they need substance,

but the, I don't think they're getting enough protein, but that's if you're not paying attention to what you eat. I'm sure there's plenty of vegans out there who can figure it out and- I have a buddy from Ohio that actually was doing the show with me before you came on board. Jay, shout out to Jay Legend. This guy's like, how old is Jay? Like 46 maybe?

And he's been a vegan for like 20 years Dude that guy hands down is in the best shape of any 46 year old I personally know So there are ways to do it. He's just really up on his diet So he makes sure he has everything he needs of you know you know, also works out at Tom, isn't a big carb guy, you know, he makes it work, but it's a shitload of work. I've seen when he has to get when he's like, grocery shopping. I'm like,

well, it sounds like he's starting to figure it out. I mean, he's been through a few trainers and, you know, health, what would you call that chef? So I mean, he had a guy living with him for a while, he said. Yeah, that new treasure, that doctor, but it didn't sound like it helped. And when that guy said, hey, 99, again, 99 problems, 99 times out of 100, you would have lost a lot of weight,

but you haven't. Well, I don't know, dude, I would say to that doctor, hey, maybe you'd like reexamine your process here. Because what did he end with? He's basically on carnival now. Yeah. With kind of carbs. In veggies. In veggies.

Yeah. In veggies. In doing a lot better, yeah. What do you think about? I didn't realize he also produced the Androides Clay. Oh, dude. That was such, that was so fun to listen to so good If you ever watch that it's way back

Griggy and weird but brilliant. Yeah, there's no one laughs at any of the jobs. I knew Even when I was young watching that they're like something weirdly special was happening and just that being dice like I've seen dice at the comedy store multiple times he is just brilliant like he's just one of those guys when he comes up on stage or you see him chatting with other comedians you know before the show starts he's just a legend his experiences I think he was one of the first guys to like sell out big places like I'm pretty sure he sold out Madison Square Garden maybe first as a comedian. Don't quote me on that. But huge. He was massive. And he's such a true artist, I think, that he was like, you know what? This like pandering I think that he was like, you know what? This like pandering to the crowd and I'm just going to do something weird.

But Rick was, it made it seem like I feel like it was Rick's idea. I can't remember the other producer on the album. Rick was making it sound like it was his idea to go up and fuck around. But yeah, and maybe it was. But the fact that dice was immediately on board is just, I feel like his style too. He's like, fuck yeah. Let's see. Let's see. He got so big. He's like, let's just see what happens. What a fucking lunatic.

Oh, I want to, I want to make sure we mention his book too. Ruben's new book, The Creative Act. A way of being. There's got to be some great advice in that for creative types. Well, what he was talking about is he would reverse engineer why a good outcome happened. So he's not even telling us what the thing was that happened. Like he's not, from what I could tell,

he's not explaining the things that he did. You know, as far as like, I produced this album, I did this. I, you know, these are all my accolades. He was remembering a time when something really good happened, right? And then he's reverse engineering backwards from there and asking, why did that good thing happen?

Oh, because I did this, that, this, and he would go back and look at the steps that he did to create whatever it was he was creating, but I don't think he's telling us what those things are. He's such a thoughtful guy, and so present with his conversation that I really do feel like he's gonna get the message across. And it's probably a very difficult message to get across, right?

Being in a creative space, watching something beautiful happen, leaving space for other creatives to really bloom and get the best out of them and then support them and be cool with them. I can't imagine this guy was like ever a dick and in the music producing world, we know that there's like shocks out there. And I bet there's a reason people love working with him. Absolutely. And well, he only will choose people that he likes. That's the other cool thing.

That's cool. If he doesn't like your music or if he doesn't feel the vibe, he was saying with the chili peppers, when they were into drugs, whatever album that was, I can't remember which one he was chatting about, but he went in there, they wanted him to produce the album and Ruben went and met with them and he could just tell the vibe was fucked up. He didn't even realize it was because they were on drugs until later, after he had talked to them probably years down the road, I think.

But it just didn't fit with him. It didn't feel right. He wasn't, he wasn't up for the job. I don't, maybe he didn't like the music at the time as well. But then, you know, however many years later, he produces another album for them. Gosh, 20 years later, like this new one that he just put out and because it felt right.

And now the original band members from the Blood Sugar Sex Magic are back again. I mean, John is back, the guitar player. Sounds cool. That's cool. Yeah, I just love how the name of the book, a way of being, he's just, he is that person. He is that guy. He is like an ultimate hippie. And he just, yeah, he just does what he wants. And like he said, right at the beginning, I do things because I like them. right at the beginning, I do things because I like them.

And now he's worth a quarter of a billion dollars. That's a beautiful life. He just doesn't want to do shit. He doesn't like. And he's so good at the things he does do and does like that. He definitely pursues things with intention. Right. So even though he had the good idea of like back to the vegan thing, he was like, this is healthy, this is what I've heard, I'm going to do it, I'm disciplined,

I'll stick to it, which he did. Then eventually people are like, you kind of look gross, bro. We're worried about you. And he's like, I think something is flawed with my thinking, which is awesome in like the ego sense. And he's like, okay, I'll mix it up. And the fact that he's like hanging out with, uh, weird. Right? That guy's about as savage is David Gorgins. And he's there. He can't do one push up.

Can't really do anything. And led just being the legend that he is is a super motivator. Nice guy is like, okay, try this, do it this way, do a little bit of this. Before you know it, he's doing a hundred straight set up push ups. Push ups. Think, think how much more that is than doing like half of one, which is where he started. Like not even being able to do one and then all of a sudden you can do a hundred.

Did he mention it along that took, I don't think he did. Not really. Incredible. I bet it wasn't all that long, honestly. And now he's massively in ice baths, soreners, all the shit that's like, we're learning is good for you. Didn't he say that he did the ice bath

for like 30 minutes or something? I think Joe, it was at 38 degrees. I remember that. And yeah, he said 30 minutes as well. I think it took some some steam out of Joe's sales because he recently did 20 in the tub. And it basically in the cold plunge world, that's a, that's a lot lot and that's a big deal. That's kind of getting into Wim Hof territory. And then this guy comes on and is like, yeah, I did 30. Joe was just like, oh shit. Well, he kept his hands out and was breathing into his hands.

Yeah, that how much is that? No, not saying it makes it extremely easy. I like to keep the hands out. I've never gone more than four or five minutes, but yeah. Well, but the one that we do with the hot. And it's hot. We go to is like 55 degrees, dude. It's not even that cold. I think it's 58.

I don't even think it's 55. It might, yeah. I mean, when there's ice floating around here and you're in a different world of cold. Can we just one last thing about him because we're talking about how much he likes ice bath, but I loved at the end when he was talking about loving pro wrestling. Oh, brilliant. Yeah, I wanted to touch out of nowhere. And you know what I loved about it.

There wasn't like any apology. He didn't go, look, I know it's silly and just the fight. He like really talked about his passion of this. And you know, I kind of get it because there's such a creative silly childish nature to it. But also like tough guy action hero movie. So popper. Act all together. Yeah. I can see why people are into it, man. I've been I took my friends that came out from England to an event because they don't, you know, have wrestling in England like much. You know, they're not going over there and putting on big shows very often. So I took them and like all the wrestlers with that,

Hulk came out, Hulk Hogan, he wasn't wrestling because he was all they just like, you know, did is to the ear thing and like got everyone pumped. Dude, it was one of the craziest events I've ever been to. People were losing their shit, having so much fun and you couldn't help but just have a good time. It was chaos in the best way. Yeah, I remember watching those pay-per-view

whole comeineas, man, when I was little. So fun. So fun, go over to my rich friend's house and they're parents bought pay-per-view for the night. It was like the coolest thing ever. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you believe it, back, man.

And it's like, oh yeah, it's about to go down toughest guys in the world. All right, let's jump over to Tulsi. Well, Tulsi, I love it a death. Yeah, but started off super fucking depressing, Tulsi. I would say the first 50 minutes were, yeah, pretty. I mean, the whole thing, the whole thing was pretty depressing, but it, look, these are things we have to think about, at least the war stuff, you know, it's important things to talk about,

important things to think about, but going on and on and on about trans and just schools and kiddie litter boxes and, you know, I think she was just pointing out like how wacky some of the focus in the Democratic Party is right now. Like, they're focusing on these things that have very little to do with like how the world

is running and, you know, it's like 20% of the fucking cornerstone of how they run for election. And I'm like, I don't, whether you can respect everyone you want. I'm happy to respect anybody's choices to do anything. Absolutely. But it doesn't seem like a big enough thing going on, especially when you're on the potential of the Jawarble 3. I don't think anyone is should be talking about kitty litter trays. Right. Yeah, fairies. There was a lot of

that talk. I mean, Joe, I think Joe did most of the talk in there for the first 30, 40 minutes, but he was getting fired up. What do you really think about that? They're like, are we that close? She seems pretty sure. And it's like, dude, I started to freak out and start to think about, okay, if it lands today. So the power went out in Bozeman a few days ago, Sunday. Half a Gallup's in County was out. I guess some relay system blew up. It wasn't even a big deal.

But as soon as the power went out and it's like most of the bozeman. So it was like a bigger power outage than I'd experienced in my life across a big area. It was only for like three hours. But I saw one car accident because people don't know how to deal with it when the lights are out, which is immediate. And I thought to myself, how long would it take before shit got real? And also, all the grocery, every store was closed because they had no power and it's all

about credit cards. You can't just pay cash even if you had exact change because the machines don't work. You didn't know anybody pays cash. Anyway, nobody carries it. I'm like, I have three eggs of my house right now. Yeah. And like a couple of frozen meals. It's like how long do we have? The New Glans somewhere, even if it's fucking New York, dude, not even close to here. How quickly does shit get wild?

So fast. And I guess we just sit there and go, I won't happen. And I'm like, I'm does shit get wild? So fast. And I guess we just sit there and go, I won't happen. In the same way, we're like, yeah, an asteroid won't do it. That hasn't landed for how long, right? But I don't know.

I think we should take that shit a bit more seriously. Yeah, let's not make this as depressing as the beginning of Tulsi's one, but it's something to think about. I mean, the whole thing was serious. I mean, I just appreciate, to be on a more positive note, I appreciate Tulsi's dedication to helping people. Yeah, she seems legit, like really into that. Yeah, I mean, she's a congresswoman

and she ran for president and she called out Kamala Harris and... Crush the. In the primaries. Yeah, in that debate. And she's extremely smart. She knows that what's happening is not something

that she wants to be on board with. Her ideologies are changed. Definitely beautiful as well. Let's give her that. Right. Good looking. Her ideologies have never really swayed. And so what she's seen in the Democratic Party is not something she likes.

And she's sticking up for her ideals, which, gosh, if every politician did that, we probably wouldn't hate most of them. Well, we would hate less of them. We would hate less of them. We would hate less of them. We would hate less of them. We would hate less of them. We would hate less of them. We would hate less of them.

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But you know, there's always that pause when like a politician is like feeding your bullshit. And you know, they're like thinking through their, you know, their election plan. And you're just like, we're not going to know the truth here. Tulsi just is out saying it and she's not saying why are crazy shit? Yet I have a bunch of friends that don't have a lot of respect for it all and they're a Democrat. So I look, oh, well, she said some wacky stuff. I'm like, are you looking at the rest of the people in this party? Like, I've definitely heard my buddy Dave talk more shit about Tulsi

than Nancy Pelosi. And there's so much on her. It's just like, what, how are you picking these battles? Don't you want honest people representing your party? She seems real. I mean, her and Bernie, that's my vote, but it'll never happen. Bernie, that's my vote, but it'll never happen. Bernie, legend. She just calls it like it is.

And I mean, not to mention she was not wishing the army. Well, she was a Marine. I want of them. And then I think she was medical. So she saw a lot of those injuries. And I just love when people who have been in the system talk shit about the system because they're telling that I feel like she's telling the truth. I mean, when she goes on and on about, you know, the military industrial complex and how

crazy it is that we are always at war for a reason. Yeah. is that we are always at war for a reason. And the reason is money to keep making more and more and more for these contractors and billionaires. It makes sense in my mind that this controlled each system that we have, this rigged system that we have. I mean, she's calling it out. And it's awesome. What's interesting about it is she's pro-military in the sense of knows what the troops go through,

knows you need a military, right? They have to have a budget. Doesn't need to be as big. There's questions there, and she has issues with some of the contractor stuff and some of the back-handed kind of payoff stuff. But it's almost like she's pro and anti-military in the sense of streamlining that process, but understands it needs to exist. And that is a good leader. That's someone that you would want running your military, I think.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we just elect these people that have no military experience. I don't think it's a bad move to have a bit of training in some areas, especially big ones. You've got to think, so you're the president, right? You've got a lot to run. You've got all of society, but then you also have the military industrial complex to run as well. And that's like, what, close to like 50% of all of us spending?

Or more, you'd want some experience there. At least you would think so. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of experienced people. It's just who's making who's calling the actual shots, right? That's the scary way we could always pretend that there's people who are making decisions when there's higher ups making the real decisions. Yeah, who fucking knows who's the I mean, just at the end there when she was talking about Ross Perot and how both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party were so scared of him at that time that they actually teamed

up together to figure out a way so that he couldn't debate anymore on stage because he was getting so popular. And now ever since Ross Perot, independent hasn't had a chance other than Bernie, but they did the same thing to him. The same exact thing. Yeah. So what, how do we win there? I think it's only a matter of time before we get a really strong independent um, we had it with Bernie. We did it. And then what, what, where where where was Bernie he was a strong independent can uh... can't

democrat i mean he's an independent but he was running as a he did run as democrat you're right and he would have crushed trump i think but that doesn't have to be done better than how it doesn't matter now but yeah i would love to see an independent candidate because in my mind, it makes the most sense to be independent. You know what?

I think it would just give us more choices. And then with more choices, people don't have to be quite as polarized. You've got three independence kind of in the middle. And then it just brings like the sanity back to the game. Because right now we have far right far left is the big voice yelling at each other. This is what all Democrats think of the right and all Republicans think of the left is like, oh, just either a lunatic or a racist or however they describe it. If you got a strong independent party in there, making their own voice heard, then, you know,

there's, it's like with products, like the more types of smartphones you have, the better they get. If it was only ever iPhone, then how good do they need to be? You want a market that's flooded with all the best ideas so that you can kind of, you figure out the best shit from that. Yeah. We talk about this a lot, but it also always comes down to getting money out of politics

and getting special interest out of there. Because without that, then leaders in both parties are going to care more about their own problems in their own real elections in their own do that shit's not going to happen well now it's it it's not going to happen yeah it would make more sense you know it would also be a great idea to run it like the Greeks to where every election term they vote on who the worst politician was and then you get kicked out of Greece. That's a great idea. I mean, imagine if Congress people were held to... But it's never going to happen.

What happened? So these are nice ideas. So what do we have to play with, really? And it's like, you know, just open it up to a third party with all the same wacky rules and too much funding that we have now and start to see what happens. At least that's likely more likely. Yeah, I mean, it's better than what we have now. So there, we've got that going for us. Definitely. If it ever happens.

Just the idea though, the whisk so fucking close to potential nuclear war. It's like, how does anyone even process that information? What do you even do to think about it? Do we just go to the woods and start podcasting from that? Like with our, you know, SpaceX fucking internet that we buy off Elon. It's like all that's left.

Just poor people, just everyone struggling to survive and listening to podcasts to get updates. I don't even know. I don't know, dude. I don't know either, buddy. I applaud her for what she's doing. I'd like to see her get back into politics if she can tolerate it and deal with the right backing and not being paid off by who knows what, just being herself. Yeah.

Did she say she was leaving politics? Well, she kind of has already. I mean, she just podcasting and doing other things. I mean, she can kind of, in a lot of ways, maybe she even feels like she can make more of an impact this way, has kind of like a bit of a, I guess you call her a celebrity with, with like political opinions, you know. Did she have a podcast? I think she does. Yeah, yeah.

They mentioned it. Yeah, she showed. She's great. All right, let's jump over to who we got. Oh, Elijah, God bless her. Well, great stand-up comedian. I heard recently that her new special is excellent from a buddy of mine, Chris Burman. Good old Chris.

He loved it. Was laughing his ass off. Todd had different opinions. I couldn't get through it. Maybe I'll try again, because I've liked her stuff in the past. She is very strong. I've laughed my ass off at some of her older specials. I mean, she's had six specials, I think. I've seen her live at the comedy store many, many times and she always crushes her. She's very good. She's very confident and comes out under that stage and, you know, good luck if you'd say anything to her

that would annoy her. Like, she will come out. She'll come out your fast too. She'll she'll think of something real quick. She's got some opinions, bro. I don't know if Joe agreed with a lot of these opinions. Definitely didn't agree with with rocks diet. She didn't agree with rocks diet.

He or his cheat days anyways. She was very concerned about what Rock was eating. And who cares, man? The Rock. That's the thing. The first thing is why do you have an opinion on that? Maybe she was nervous. She seemed a little bit nervous coming out of the gate, but she's not a nervous person. No, I don't know. She just seemed to have a ton of opinions on things while bringing up her book, like 25 times. And the points that she was making, or like having these strong opinions on just didn't seem that important. Kim Kardashian's body now that she's dating white guys like changes that, how dare she?

She can't she just fucking do whatever she wants? Yeah, and then the two, let's go back to the game. I don't want to just talk shit because I really do love her comedy and and I've, like I said, some of her old specials are hilarious. And maybe she just didn't have enough to talk about. Dude, she's awesome. I'm not saying that. I just think that I'm trying to get an idea of

like what the fuck is this book about? Because if you're gonna bring up silly points like that, at least make it hilarious. And then I'm like, that's great. Yeah. I'll read a book about any ridiculous, strong statements and opinions made if they're funny. Yeah. Can you imagine Tim Dylan?

Oh, I'm funny. He does he not have one he should. He should. He's going to soon. I'm sure. But like, you know, he could go on a tangent about the craziest opinion that I'd be like, dude, that's not I'm pulling,

but he would make it. It doesn't matter. So funny. Because he's so hilarious. Yeah. Well, look, maybe the book's great, man. Maybe the book's great. Maybe it is.

Check it out. I mean, I've heard good things about the special. She even brought up high drugs at Chloroquine. Yeah. And she was even brought up, I drugged her chloroquine. And she was like, yeah, I did my research and I'm so proud of my journalistic blah blah blah. And Rogum was like, no, no, no, no, it's not about that. It's not this. And I was just like, I don't know.

I mean, I love that he wasn't letting her get away with some of those opinions, but she also, you know, she had some good opinions about privacy laws. I mean, I agree with a lot of that stuff. For sure. People shouldn't know where you live. They shouldn't just be able to look that stuff up online. That seems strange, but I mean, especially if you're a celebrity, I don't give a shit personally, but as a celebrity,

it seems a little sketchy. But you would, if like any amount of people started coming to your house. Well, right, because that happens all the time, right? I mean, she was saying it's happened to her, right? Or wasn't she? I thought she said that she was in stock. Well, she came on before, and she talked about dating

this guy that was a complete sociopath. His entire life, as far as she knew about it, was a complete lie. Whoa. And she didn't even know. And she broke it down in detail, and it's wacky. It's crazy. I've seen movies about that. Yeah, it's a movie about that.

I remember when I was listening to it thinking, how did you not know? Or did you somehow attract this kind of person? But then I thought, that's not really fair, because there probably are some people out there that are so good at creating up, you know, just this borscht story, and this imaginary life, and holding it all together until it gets to a point

where you just know too much and you question something and something doesn't line up. And then you know that house of cards just collapses. But what she went through, who knows how she even trusts anybody today that she dates. I think she's married and married to a chef and very happy and but I must have him in rough. I mean, she did talk about never somehow coming away from all the party and, you know, crazy nights that she had while on tour younger and partying her ass off with all of her girlfriends and dating a fat boy and never getting drugged, which she was surprised about.

I didn't realize those numbers were so high with women who get drugged. I mean, it's such a prevalent thing, which is really sad. It's fucked up, though. Why work security in nightclubs for years in my early 20s and also early 30s, just in bars then, but in the club scene, it was not uncommon to where someone would be like, I mean, a lot of the time, I would say more so than not, if the girl themselves comes up to you and is like,

I think I've been roofied and then you go to the bar and you find out they had seven shots, like I think this, but when you find somebody whose friends come up to you and they're like, she just got here and she barely even drinks and she can't even stand. And that shit was not uncommon, dude. It's so creepy. Super creepy, super creepy.

It's like, what are you doing? I mean, if you watch the new Jeffrey Dahmer, I won't watch it, man. I don't wanna watch it. Give you a nightmares. I don't wanna watch it. I've had one nightmare. I don't wanna think about that.

Creep, man. No thanks. I'm sure it's great. Well, he was like drugging people. That's how he did it. I just don't wanna think about that stuff. It reminded me of, well, it reminds me now when you mention it. I started watching a Cosby documentary.

Oh, no. And the first half of it's great because you learn about Cosby and he was such an amazing person if you take away the creepy shit he did and drug women. Obviously, once it got into that, which it started to near the end of the documentary, it was like, oh, and by the way, then he did this and they had interviews of older ladies who, you know, were drugged by him and remember the night and they were telling it in specifics and I had to shut it off. I just couldn't do it, man. Well, Rogan talks about those two. He talks about watching movies, scary movies, or twisted shit as he doesn't like to do it.

And I think there's something to that. And people should pay attention to it. It's like, hey, you're carving out two hours of your life to sit and watch this thing that is just awful and twisted. Yeah, it's awful. And in some way, it's awful. And in some way it creeps into your life. Not to say they make you like that,

but it's just adding an unnecessary darkness. Now, I'm also not saying, yeah, you should just watch Disney movies and hallmark shows. And you can watch things that I know you do. That's why I brought that up. That was a big fan. You know, not everything needs to be rainbows and butterflies, but there there's something to be said about like the darkness that you let in. I think to some degree. Yeah. I'm you're talking about it now and I'm thinking about the last creepy show I watch, which was about a mother who killed her two children and

I don't know why I watched it. It just it sucked me in man. It was a newer wife wanted to watch it was a newer Netflix special It was something that she would typically watch and for whatever reason I was just home one day I didn't have a tongue going on. I was I watching, dude. I binge watched it and it was horrible. I mean, no thanks, man. I don't want to think about people going insane and doing things like that. I think Joe's got a good point, man. Stay away from that shit.

I did like, towards the end, Eliza was talking about the art of interviewing and how everyone shouldn't have a podcast. Probably us. But she explained how to not talk over people, like if you're going to interview people, how to not talk over them. And this is something I'm trying to get better at as well. And you think about it, but with the amount of podcasts

that are on air nowadays, you got to think there's so many people doing interviews who probably shouldn't. And you know, she, that some, whoever she was talking about, she didn't mention a name who was interviewing her. She, she was just saying she was underneath the, the table just like grabbing her legs and pinching herself the whole time because she was having such a horrible time and the interviewer knew nothing about her. Anyway, it just reminded me of how we got to hone our craft, bro. Well, you know what I was thinking about when I was listening to that. So like in my

early 20s, I used to do a lot of sponsored events to raise money for charity and different things. And one time I was going to Sri Lanka to teach English for like a year, close to a year. And some of the teachers that were going out there, we were raising money for it to help with the program. Because even though it sounded like a really cool vacation, I mean, we were working all the time, teaching and teaching English and we were young, we weren't teachers, so we had to figure this out. And I went on the radio in the show in Stroud in England, where I was born. Nice.

And I remember the guy who was talking to me, just had like four bullet points, but was talking. And like he would ask a question. He'd be like, yeah, so what got you into this? And what did you want to do this? And while I was answering the question, he's like waving at the person outside of the window. He's like on his phone, and then he would just wait

for me to stop and then ask the next bullet point. And it got me to a point where I just wanted to answer it in like the dumbest ways ever, you know, if he was just like, oh, so what made you even think of this? And then he's like looking around and I'm like, why I met an alien and then got abducted by UFOs and just talk for a minute and stop and see if he even noticed. I wish you would have. Those people exist. Like a lot of interviewers are just kind of checked out. It's why Joe's show is so fascinating. The person that he's talking to, he wants to talk to.

And honestly, this is why I do this show this way. Because I don't have to talk to a new person every week, which I guess could be interesting, but not for this show, because Joe does that already. I don't need like new people in every week. I've got my good friend Todd. I like talking to you anyway. We fucking talk about everything all week all the time. So it's just like, be here in the conversation. I mean, if I ever felt like you were half out of the door, I just fucking stop the part. I'm like, it's if I'm not enjoying this conversation. Let's not do it. But, you

know, I do. We all do too, buddy. We're in here talking together. I hope all our listeners enjoy it too. They tolerate it. And we thank them for putting up with us. We're just trying to bring some extra voice to what goes on in this fucking incredible kind of, um, what would you even call Joe's podcast? It's a universe, buddy. Well, yeah, but it's like an experiment in conversation. Yeah. Or at least how they should be done. Well, that's why it's an experience.

Mm-hmm. 100%. 100%. All right, well, we definitely should listen and watch her new special. Absolutely. I don't know if I'll buy the book, but if you're a big fan of hers, do it, support her, because at the end of the day, she's one of the great comedians out there, especially one of the great female comics. Absolutely. And support the shit out of them. I'm buying Rubens book. Yeah.

Get it. Let's get it for the studio. I'm going to buy a room after this. I just came out. Love that. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for sticking with us as always we appreciate You