Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 297 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Graham Handcock & Randal Carlson Et al.

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

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Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. He'd be the worst but casual with the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the J.R.E. review What a fucking good week. Oh, buddy. Yeah Really excited about this one My boy Graham

Todd, thanks for being here as always. Thanks buddy. Thanks for putting up with me left and right up and down Let's go. What makes this week so exciting is definitely Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. We're obviously going to stop there. Graham was really, if you're an avid Rogan fan, which I would imagine there's no other reason why you would listen to this podcast unless you are, unless you're just very strange. Also, you're very strange, all of you. Oh, God bless. So you taught.

I love strange people. Back in the way it is. Strange. But he was like the first legit guest that came on Rogan other than comedy buddies. And I would say legit, but like like you know, he was kind of like Not conspiracy theory, but you know just like not mainstream Thinker for archaeology all the rest of it, and I'm not gonna say pseudo archaeologist

Especially after what he's achieved because that's a it's incorrect Yeah, that term is bunk. Yeah, because especially after what he's achieved because that's a, it's incorrect. Yeah, that term is bunk. Yeah, because, I mean, watch the Netflix series. And if you can watch that with an open mind, I don't care who you are, unless you're super, unless you're uber religious, you are going to have some different thoughts about when humanity actually started.

Dude, ancient apocalypse. And I take that back, not when we started, but how smart we were, and how basically the ideas that we had to start over, and there was other people living on this earth that were way smarter than us at the same time, which makes sense. You look at that now. There's people in the Amazon who have probably, who we know who have never touched a computer in their lives, who've never touched a phone might not,

might not even know phones exist. No. And you're gonna pretend that that wasn't the case back 10,000 years ago, 12,000 years ago. Yeah. I mean, they've done the carbon dating, dude. But think about it, that was a great example that he gave early on. And by the way, he showed just the carbon dating, dude. But think about it. That was a great example that he gave early on.

And by the way, he showed just hit number two on Netflix. I've, for sure, it's gonna make number one, but as of today, number two on Netflix. Like, that's huge. It's so good. But think about it. We went to the moon. What?

How many? 60s, nine? Yeah. Right. Yep. And we still have basically hunter-gatherer groups on this planet. Now, it's very small. There's not many of them, but they exist. We can't leave them alone. So to think that all those thousands of years ago, everyone was always at the same place of development. I mean, there's no better example to say that couldn't be true, especially because it wasn't like they're sending emails back then. What bugs me about it, dude, is how on Earth, I know that people get set in

their ways. And yes, you're an archaeologist. And yes, you have this thing that's been told to you over and over and over again. But in my mind, and granted, I'm not an archaeologist, but I feel like if I was, this kind of shit would excite me. I'd be like, oh, like this makes more sense to me. You're going to sit here and tell me that hunter gatherers made the fucking pyramid of Giza. No way. I mean, I always thought, up until, you know,

reading more about Graham and listening, especially to the eight episodes, I binged it, dude, on Saturday. Watch the whole thing was fucking obsessed. My kid was sick, so I was like, able to watch the whole thing start to finish. And my mind, I already kind of knew that the pyramids were older than 6,000 years.

I fucking knew it. Because you look at the erosion, I can't remember the guy's name. He did that whole thing about the rain erosion. It's not erosion from water, from rivers, but it's erosion from rain on the pyramids. It just makes sense to me. It makes so much more sense than to think that hunter-gatherers, 6,000 years ago, made these from scratch.

I mean, it's just that why? Why would hunter-gatherers, not only why, but how on earth would they know to have it line up with the summer solstice? I mean, the sun goes right into the King's tomb. I mean, the shit that they knew planetaryly with the stars and astrology, it's unbelievable, dude. Yeah. And I am no expert, but I am an open-minded person, and I don't see how any one after watching that could not have at least some doubt that, yes, this makes more sense. But you know what scares me about all this?

Maybe that's how all science is created, all history. We think that that is the best way to think. And I'm not trying to put like, you know, a wrench in the cogs of the whole working system the best way to think. And I'm not trying to put like, you know, a wrench in the cogs of the whole working system because look, it's come a long way. Science has taught us a lot. History has written a lot of things down for us. These academics are super useful.

We could have nothing without them. But is there this bias across the board with these things? It's kind of spooky a little bit, that people can't just think of all the graduate students that come in on their way to get PhDs, for archaeology, for all the different things, and you'll tell them in none of them, we're just really coming out and saying,

hey, this doesn't make sense. That looks like water. That, you know, arm too don't know. If you put me in front of it, I'd be like, oh, it looks windy, I gotta go. Yeah, but don't you want to ask, don't you want to ask an archeologist, how do you explain the gobeckly template?

They template? Gobeckly template. The one in Turkey. Yeah. the Gobeckley template. They did that. Gobeckley template. The one in Turkey. 10,800 years, that was, that's a known fact. They did the carbon dating. They know it's that old. How do you explain that?

You're gonna tell me, you're gonna tell me Hunter Gatherers made that, and you're gonna tell me they made it 5,000, 6,000 years earlier than you thought we even existed on this planet. How are you gonna explain that? 5,000, 6,000 years earlier than you thought we even existed on this planet. How are you going to explain that? I mean, it makes more sense that they, but it makes more sense that they could, they could say the Sphinx couldn't have been made that old, you know, that long ago.

How does that make more sense? Well, because if it was the age that they're saying that it was made because of the precipitation, water erosion, right? Which is what they're saying. Yet there's nothing else that old. And after that theory, go back to the temple. Yep, they find how many other things

within like 300 miles. And it's tough for them to like turn around and say, okay, I guess we were wrong, but I don't get why they have to hold on to the timeline like that. What difference does it make? Because it's not, because of money, research money, right? Isn't it because of research money?

That's what Graham was saying. They will get cut from funding on any sort of archeological project if they admit to the fact that shit's older than it was, right? But why do the people that give them the money give a shit? That wouldn't you just want the best answer all the time? Yeah, but if your answer doesn't align with Christianity and history as we thought we knew it, then you're going to come out like you're a cook.

Do you think that's what it is? You think it is? Absolutely. I don't know what else it is. I don't know. But it seems to me the most logical answer is that if you come out and say something that has never been said before, which Graham has been doing since the 80s and has been basically seen

as a cook and a crazy person and they just blame it because he fucking did acid and mushrooms and was, you know, into psychedelics, which I love, dude, I love doing this. If they've talked about this before, but if every politician just did some psychedelics, how much different this planet would be, that's a whole nother subject, but they can say that because he's done drugs, right? Because they don't know any better. It's like, it's a scapegoat. He's a scapegoat for them.

And it's easy for them to dismiss what he's saying, right? Which is bullshit. Well, but it doesn't make sense because you're telling me what all archaeologists aren't doing psychedelics. Like, you know, some of them are. No, he's just a very honest person that talks about his experiences and says, Hey, I did this and it enlightened me or I got something from it. Are you gonna?

Yeah, but are you going to tell me right now any archaeologist who has done psychedelics? You don't think they believe in at least part of what Graham Hancock is saying. Dude, he's definitely doing. I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry. It makes more sense. But he's, but you know he's gaining kind of, and granted we're fans, right?

Like we're fans, so we're biased, but it makes more sense. I mean, I always thought up until hearing about this younger dryness and especially after watching this series on Netflix, I always thought that it was some sort of ancient aliens, dude. Well, look at this. It made more sense to me. Remember that guy, Brian Murrascu? Yeah, the one who was talking about the Urgot in the Cke. Sí, el el el el el el que estaba hablando de Ergot en la Cups. Sí, todo el...

Es un tipo de psychedelic. A ver, pero ¿cómo es posible que llegues a casa de trabajar y bajes tan contento al trastero? A mover una bicicleta a rastar dos cajas de libros y levantar un orden microondas para coger una chancla. Ah, vale, vale. ¿A dónde vas? Tu con ese chancla, sí? ¿Dónde vas? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones.

Este uno de Julio, sorteo extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún de cimo. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de dad. En... en... en... en... en la que es importante. in the, in, and now it's taught at Harvard, which is interesting. So, so there's, there's avenues, right? Because that probably didn't mess with the overall timeline and

therefore the archeological story. Yeah. They were like, Hey, we could be open in this and we want to be open to the idea that ancient cultures may have done psychedelics, which is, you know, I mean, why is that so weird? They did it. It's not supporting psychedelics. And now they teach that at Harvard. Yeah.

How long do you think make a prediction before they're teaching this stuff legitimately as schools? Like, hey, I'm going to hope within 10 years, but I would say more like 15, 20. You think so? Still. I don't know, man. Maybe not.

Maybe not. I'm maybe taking him this long to get this much credibility. You're right. It's taking him 35 years to get to this point. So maybe it'll, maybe it'll be a domino effect where it'll come quicker. I hope, I hope, hope man because you binge that show dude. It was so good and you're so busy this week. You have a magazine launch. You got a load of stuff on. I was super surprised that you found the time to get all this in but this dude. I watched

five episodes in a row. It's so good. And the whole where they can they can map what's underneath with the I forget what the light are the light are radar. Dude from the bottom. You've got satellites. Light are the whole world. Please. And him talking about Graham talking about all that shit being underneath the Amazon. And him talking about these people, I don't remember the explorer that was there in the 1500s that went all the way through the Amazon and was had in his notes, all these different huge cultures and societies that were down there. Right. I think that's like the, that's like, that's like, have never talked about.

Have never talked about the temple of the gold and all the rest of it. I mean, how about the, I mean, we're skipping around a lot here, but how about the Bimini Road, dude? I mean, that was insane. Like, seeing those 12 foot by like 15 foot stones that are basically flat and cut to a perfect line, there is no way that that was created in nature. They went underneath them, and they, remember, he goes under the water, and they have this on film. There's other rocks, smaller rocks that are leveling out these things.

There is no way that that was not made by man. Let me ask you this. Dude, when they did the... So dope. When they showed the illustration of what the water level was like before, so that was obviously above water. Yeah. And it looked like a kind of ramp system into the water.

When you think about today, what that could be, that's like some sort of a dark. Yep. But it's also like some sort of loading dark. Yeah, in bridge. And when you think of, well, a bridge to what like into the water, that wouldn't make sense. Well, no, a bridge to land from where they would dock the boat. Exactly. Yeah. But then think how huge those boats would have been. And that kind of looked like that to me, like the kind of place where we

launched like mega vessels. Yeah. Now, if those giant boats were made a wood, and it was 12,000 years ago, we have zero boat left. Oh, yeah We're not gonna come up. Yeah, we're not coming up with those boats, but those are giant boats well and to and to To that same point the maps when he was talking about in the 1500s When they like that dude in Turkey. I think it was a Turkish guy who recreated a map from older maps. He created this map in the 1500s and the island that used to be the Bahamas, the Bimini island that was way bigger right before it had gone

underwater was on that map because he was just referencing older maps and it clearly shows and also fucking Antarctica was on there. So Antarctica was on a map from the 1500s and then in the 1800s there was no reference of Antarctica because we hadn't even fucking gone to Antarctica yet. We didn't even know it was there. But how do you explain, like how is this not coming up in conversation more often? How do you explain that Antarctica used to be on maps

in the 1500s and that Bimini Island, which is basically a sliver now of the Bahamas, is basically nothing. And it was way bigger, it was way more square footage because it wasn't under 400 feet of fucking water rise. How do you explain that? That they knew Antarctica was there before, but then in the 1800s it was gone.

Wasn't even on the map yet. We hadn't discovered it yet, again. We hadn't rediscovered it. The only thing that's hard for me is like the first map when it went down from South America and across. And then they showed those other you know, archaeologists being like, oh, he got lazy and ran at a room and just like drew it across. Well, number one, I would say that is the laziest freshman college attempt at doing your work. Like, it's not even college. If you don't even space the map

out right to where you like completely switch up an angle on a continent, that's silly. Yeah, you're going to tell me some guy who basically made maps his entire life and that was his profession. He didn't take it seriously. he's trying to pass and get a fucking A grade. He just ran at a room. But the only thing that's difficult for me when you watch those types of shows is when Graham lined up, well, we took all the water back and then we lined it up

and then we drew the whole kind of continent border and it fits almost exactly. I guess you just have to take their word for it, right? And I'm just playing Bittadevil's advocate here. I'm like, I want to believe because it's so compelling and I'm excited about it. Don't we know that that's true though, that all the continents used to be together? I mean, dude, I'm happy to believe that that does line up. How else do you? Yeah, I'm sorry.

But if it does, it does. How can those, but how can those other academics just be like so dismissive of it? Can you show them? Dude, like how do they sleep at night? If they, if they look at the lines and it's exactly the same, or all my, I don't understand it. You would think it as a researcher,

you would take into account all of the facts. These are theories. God damn it Todd, I don't know who to believe anymore. Well, you look at, you look at, they talk about this with cops and detectives. Once they're on a line of discovery, they don't, they don't go off of that line. It's like, yeah, confirmation bias. Thank you. That's it. That's the term. So once you think you have the answer, you cannot fucking steer

away from that answer anymore. You are so set in your ways that it's like your mind cannot think of an alternative, of an alternative idea. Damn it. It's true. You see it all the time, why fucking people get falsely arrested all the time for that shit because detectives are like, not only do they need to find somebody to make themselves feel good, but it also makes them feel good thinking that they know the answer. It's like an ego thing, dude. Yeah.

It's human nature eagle thing, dude. Yeah. It's human nature. I guess, yeah. And you can't blame them in some ways. But now with all these different ancient sites, what about that one in, was Indonesia? Oh, the first one, the first episode. Where that thing is, what is it, the volcanic rock? Yeah. Pill Yeah pillars and it's ginormous super old and there's those chambers underneath We haven't even got that yet. Yeah, it's very very and they and it seems like this is the oldest thing that ever existed and

Where do you even start with and there's still people that are like, oh, these are just natural formations and it's just up here on the hill. It was so compelling to me. It's gazing though, excited. I get so excited. These are the professionals that have been doing this. I mean, look at the professionals, so-called professionals running our fucking countries, man. There are a bunch of idiots.

That's what I loved about Graham though he was given so much shit to politicians and and archaeologists. I mean, good for him. The fucking guy has been dismissed his entire life and he doesn't care. He's like, no, this is this is my life's passion. This is what I believe in. I know that there's ancient civilizations out there and they're lost and we are not talking about it. I mean, good for him, man. Yeah. He's how strong.

We wouldn't be talking about any of this shit without him, but the guy's written what, 12 books about it. Yeah. And you're gonna call him a pseudo archaeologist. How many fucking archaeologists have written 12 books? I'm sorry. Not that. Well, or any books.

12 compelling books. I'll tell you what, none of them have just hit number two on Netflix. And you sure that's not peer reviewed, that's not in, you know, academia, fair enough. But there's a lot of bullshit in academia too. So, dude, look at what we've achieved in 400 years. They talked about this towards the end. If you can go back 400 years from now and 400 years ago, people from 400 years ago would think that we are aliens with the shit that we can do with our phones and our computers and our technology, planes.

You think 400 years ago if you were like, hey bro, I'm gonna fly around the world. I'm gonna go from Egypt to fucking South America in eight hours, four hours, whatever. I'm gonna go from Egypt to fucking South America in eight hours Four hours whatever. I don't even know how long. Yeah, well watching Netflix videos and having Wi-Fi You would think that we were gods Hmm, and that's I mean it just I can't say it enough. That's a good one That's only 400 years. We're talking about

5,000 years in difference from 12,800. They think the younger dry has happened 12,800 years ago and lasted about a thousand years and then they're saying that the next Advanced culture, let's say if it Egypt is from 5,000 BC What like of course there was two different cultures. In my mind, it just makes so much more sense. For there to be an advanced culture, at the same time, there's a bunch of hunter-gatherers who are literally no nothing other than we're going to try and kill an animal today and feed our families.

And we basically don't have any language, we're basically chimpanzees trying to fucking survive. I mean, there's no way that those hunter gatherers were making these types of things. Well, think about it like this. For sure we know that there have been cultures that lasted, like, we don't dispute that homo sapiens have been around 10,000 years. Right. But we're pretty much like, oh, they will all just hunt a gatherers until, you know, right to all the Egypt.

Yeah. Okay. So let's just say 10,000 years ago, right? They don't say that though. They say 5,000, maybe 6,000 years ago. No, that's religious people. Okay. Yeah, but like, you know, mainstream archaeologists,000, maybe 6,000 years. No, that's religious people. Okay. Yeah, but like, you know, mainstream archaeologists are like, there's definitely been signs of

humans for like 10,000 years. Well, it's proven. Cave paintings. It's proven. You know, a few fossils and, and spearheads and, simple shit, right? Yeah. Some clay pots. Right.

But think about this. Then you have some island. And it doesn't have to be small. I mean, England's an island. And that's done a lot of work in the world. Yeah. Right. So you just take somewhere like that, pretty isolated. You know, they're not like traveling a lot. The rest of the world is just doing that thing as hunter-gatherers. Then you give them 3,000 years of that time where most people stay the same, which has happened because even there's hunter-gatherers now.

So there's, there are whole branches of humanity that basically can stay the same forever maybe. Basically, in the industrial revolution, it's what has happened. And then you get this one island that just takes its own 3,000 years, just to really develop some shit. Dude, that's a long fucking time. It's completely reasonable they could do this. Yeah, I mean, it blows my mind.

Just think of like it just was in within 400 years, think of what has changed. We fly across the country and we bitch about if a fucking package from Amazon doesn't get here in 48 hours, we're complaining about it. This is like shit that you can't even conceive a hundred years ago. Here's the thing, right? That's crazy. This is what I was thinking. So think of Go Backly Tappy, right? Think about what they built, and then they covered it up to leave it. Yeah, purposely.

It's, and Graham Hackock said it, it's a time capsule. Clearly that has to be what it is. Why would you cover it up? Yeah. You know, they wanted to preserve it. They don't want you stuff destroyed, but there's a message in there for the future. How would we leave it today?

Let's say that we knew that the Earth's population was gonna be mostly wiped out. Well, we have to build like our own stone hinge on the moon, right? Yeah. That would be what we would do today. We would do something similar, and we would have to probably cover it up

So it didn't get destroyed. Yeah Well, don't we have that we have that on satellites, dude. We can't leave like no, we have that on satellites We put I can't I'm in a fucking set like oh the voyager the thing that we we put like a disk on there that you could The boy like Mozart on it. You know what I'm talking about? But that is headed out of the solar system. It's not coming back to the world. I thought it was going around the world. No, no, no.

That's gone. Okay. It's a way gone. That's for aliens to find. So we would need to put it on a satellite and let it go around the earth. Yeah, the ultimate satellite is the moon. Yeah.

We would have to put it on there because eventually the Earth would... Or just variant. But it depends how bad the... I mean, we already did this. And we barely figuring out what Go Blackly Tepa is. But if we put something on the moon, we know for sure to be safe. We don't know how many asteroids could hit you.

Like take another 10,000 years for people to find it. But then they would only find it, but yeah. But then they would only find it on the moon and think aliens did it, which would freak him out. Right. Which is like I just said, I basically thought aliens built the fucking pyramids until this series came out.

Well, what's the technology shit, dude? All right, so speaking of Randall, I know we're going off on this one because it's so good. But like when he was talking about the suppressed knowledge that what was he saying? They've been working on the ship for like eight to ten years. He's been talking to this guy. They've been in the Maldives, which is what like an island off a grease or something. Secretly trying to figure out this sacred geometry.

And he straight up said on Rogan this week that within three months, I think he said, all this shit's coming out open sourced. Dude. I'm so excited. Yeah. Sacred geometry talking about, and again, if you think about it, if you think about, if we would have went on a different path, like maybe our ancestors did 10,000 fucking years ago, and didn't do fossil fuels, didn't do cars, didn't do electricity the way we did it, but we figured out some telepathic

way and frequency sacred geometry, which in my mind makes sense. They knew way more about astrology than we even know about hardly today after studying it for fucking the last couple thousand years. Like when when when was Galileo, the 1500s was Galileo, like he basically like barely figured it out from an apple falling off a fucking tree and you're going to tell me like you know that was Isaac new or sorry that was new and I'm way off Galileo what did Galileo up figure out that the earth went around the sun. Thank you so they like you know what I'm saying is we knew this 12,000 years ago they knew

these things if you look at the there's no way they didn't know these things. If you look at the pyramids, I mean, there is not a coincidence that this shit lines up. I, I, I don't think I'd ever thought in my life about a, like a different way of figuring out technology. I kind of assumed always the based on the periodic table and studying any chemistry, which I did for a while, that everyone would just figure out the periodic table and then they would invent things similar. They wouldn't be the same, exactly, obviously, if there was like aliens or whatever, or even different humans, but I figured it would be close because they, you know, you're

using matter in the same way. But like, think of a planet that had way more plutonium or uranium than like built up coals and, and like petroleum under the surface. Yeah, just different, different. Well, they would probably find nuclear fuel way before they would figure out combustion. Therefore, that would be part of their scientific, it's like what you have around you, right? And maybe since they couldn't drill in the same way,

they found a different route of technology. I mean, it kind of makes sense. And they might have used it for different reasons. I mean, it makes sense. If Randall and these people he's been working with, who we don't know who they are yet, if they're gonna come out with this stuff within a matter of months and

Talk about the sacred geometry and using frequencies of the earth and he was basically saying of every element has a frequency You're talking about the periodic table. He's saying every element has a frequency. If you can figure that out you can move You can move objects. I hope that's true But it but like literally there's there's like science behind that. It can happen. It's just what they don't know it yet. We don't know it yet. But if in three months, he comes back on

and it's all open source, this could fucking change things. We've always heard the stories of Tesla. Yeah, let's say it has a lot to do with Tesla's theories And if you don't believe in Elon and he named his company this it's very exciting and then all of a sudden It comes around that the shit that he was doing that the FBI whatever just took Look we're going over, but I don't care all right. This is my podcast that I'm excited about that shit This gets me revved up. This is a big deal. This potentially could be a big deal. It's so cool. Yeah. So if

it turns out that the stuff Tesla was working on that the FBI took away because they know they rated him and took all his patents and it would just circle his information. Yeah, and they've hit it. But similar things, vibration, free energy, like, free energy. Tesla coils, like you name it. Yeah. If people are able to make this, yet we've been trying to do fusion reactors and nuclear

and like all this other stuff, but there's like this whole other way of doing it. Wireless wireless energy, man, it's already been proven by Tesla. And if you're gonna, I mean, I actually was a little bit, I was a little upset about how they did not talk about, because I've heard of this shit with the ancient alien stuff about how, and I'm probably gonna screw this up,

but there was some theory that the pyramids were a power source, right? And because there's water underneath and the tunnels and everything else created free power with the water and the rocks being, you know, one side was basic. The other side was was was the Bay, there's basic and there a basic, but one side was basically a charge and the other side was not a charge. They were saying that the pyramid could have been a wireless energy source, which if you have an ancient technology that we don't really know about yet or maybe Tesla knew about but we hit it.

It's out there and it just, if you look at history, of course they would want to suppress that. That takes away so much money from everything that we've ever done with energy in our lifetimes. The energy companies are one of the biggest fucking monopolies in the entire world. You think they're going to want to let free energy out to the people? Dude, no way. They're going to do everything in their fucking power to suppress that. Well, think about it.

Think about something, dude. This is not the go-off on a tangent, but this is why I'm skeptical on this new crypto crash, because I feel like all the banks have figured out and all the governments is that they figured out how to crash it. They actually made this them one of their most important things to do. So that we wouldn't use it for like decentralized banking and they were like, you know what, we can't do this and they crushed it. Because they're scared that we're gonna take over

the banking industry. Well, but it's just like, you can't give away that type of power. How about Randall throwing out JFK, doing some LSD back in the 60s. Fuck yeah, to that. Cheers. Oh, so good.

I could go on another half hour, but we should probably get to. We're gonna jump over. Bjorn. Yeah. Very excited. And God damn it, to. We're gonna jump over. Bjorn. Yeah. Very excited. And God damn it, folks. Dude, watch the series.

Yeah, if you haven't, please God watch it. Inkshire Nipocalypse. Let's go on to Bejorn. Bejorn Lomborg. Yeah. He, um, I liked what he said. You know, this is hard for me because like I grew up a massive environmentalist. I mean, it wasn't just me making these choices.

My parents thought it. We grew up in England. I was a vegetarian. My dad was a pacifist. He was green party. We let's like even more left than the leftist type left so that you get in America for sure. Amnesty international charities he worked for, you know, just he wanted to just care about the environment period.

And it wasn't a very scientific approach I would say, but but it was from the heart and he was dedicated to humanistic. Yeah, he just felt like it was the right thing to do, which makes sense. And these things have stuck with me, which is unusual because now I'm a hunter, right? But also I take Joe's approach. I don't like factory farming, but I want to eat some meat. Yeah. So, you know, that took a while to work through. And also, I do want green energy. I do want to not pollute the world and to not wipe everything out. But I've been suspicious as I've grown about how it's done.

And you know this, cause I give you shit about your recycling all the time. Yeah. And you'll put all the cans out there and all the carboas, let's not get to mention the fact you barely take them to the recycling. All right, settle down. We're airing out our laundry.

But, you know what I mean? It's like, where does it actually go? And when they said that the most a lot of the plastic and ocean might be that just we were sending it to China because that was cheap and they would dump it. Yeah. No, that kind of makes sense. And look, dude, I'm open-minded. I can, my mind will be changed as soon as you give me an alternative theory that makes more sense. It's kind of like what we were just talking about, even though I already had a feeling that, you know, they're... I think his alternative theory was clear. Prioritize what's actually important for benefiting the world moving forward.

Right. And he kind of broke it down into a few things like education for kids in the right way. Make a smarter tomorrow. That's important, right? And then, you know, you want to take care of the environment. It's like, well, make energy, which we're all going to use anyway. Cheaper. In the cheapest and least negative effect to the environment.

Yeah. No, he was very compelling with his fracking argument. And I don't know enough about fracking. But again, when he mentioned how... I feel bad even kind of like supporting that. I'm not gonna say I subcured it. I'm just saying that if what he's saying is true, I'm kind of like, okay, yeah. The logic is that.

If what he's saying is true, it makes sense because if you're fracking, you're getting cheaper, cleaner energy, and you're getting away from coal. So is that the best plan moving forward right now? Maybe because it gets rid of coal. So it's like one step in the fucking totem pole. And as much as I hate to say this man when he was talking about burn the fucking plastic and put a scrub on the top of the thing you're burning so that you're not putting a bunch of petrochemicals

and shit into the air, that does make more sense than just throwing it away because straight up, you think when you put it in the fucking bin, you're feeling all virtuous and you know that motherfucking plastic bottle's going into the ocean. Or the landfill, which and it's never going to biodegrade. It literally just ends up in the water table and then we're drinking it. It takes a long time. And I do appreciate Joe like kind of like he kept kind of pushing him on that. Like, hey, don't you think there's other ways of other than fracking or other than burning things?

But he was, he was very fucking European, right? He was like, just going with the stats as much as I didn't want to believe what he was saying. If he's going with those stats and the stats are correct, it does make sense. Yes, we should go with fracking until we can find a cheaper alternative source because fracking, yes, is way better than burning coal. And if you're in fucking Africa or India and you got to fucking feed your kids, you're going to be burning coal and cow shit and fucking and you're and what you're going to burn

anything you need to burn. A lot of what he talked about was that it's easy for us here to make kind of virtuous decisions, right? And that, you know, might not even be the best path to getting there, but it's all on the right side of good, right? And I only mess with you, but like, the fact that you get all this recycling shit here, like it's admirable. You're doing something that you get all this recycling shit here, like it's admirable.

You're doing something that you think is right, but I always wonder what the bottom line is. And then it comes back to what's the greater good. You know, he talked about tuberculosis. We don't worry about it too much here, but a lot of the world dies from this. Yeah, or malaria, right? If temperature rises,

malaria is gonna be a big problem, but we have medication to stave that. Mm-hmm. But I mean, we do here. All right, but there's- A lot of people can't afford it. Right, but so it's easy because we don't deal with it. And then we could say, all right, okay.

You know, we got to deal with us and we can't worry about what's going on over there. But at the same time, putting massive money into recycling plastic bottles for our own good that end up in the ocean when we could be helping people all around the world, that makes me feel a lot better, I think. It's a tough one, dude. I think it's just a question of exactly what he was saying. There's a lot of problems. And we need a more efficient chart to like be like, okay, what's really the most important thing and work our way down instead of saying, hey,

we're all going to die in 20 years from global warming and flooding. And we need to only deal with this and not deal with these other problems. Because let's be fair, that our goal documentary came out. Everyone was behind it. I know I was back in the day. And they were like, oh, these things are going to change by 2020. It's going to be such a oh, whatever the date was. Yeah, well, it was not 2012.

Dude, it's not even close. Right, they were way else. And we can speculate all we want, but I think the point of what Bjorn was saying, at least what I got out of it was, we need to continue to do better instead of all this fear mongering. And the fear mongering is not helping anybody.

Like they kept bringing it back to the gal who fucking was throwing soup at the painting or whatever. And in the name of climate change, right. That is not the solution. And again, that's a very extreme, you know, yeah, they're idiots, dude. It's an extreme instance, but if those types of people on the left and the right would just come together and say, this is what makes the most sense. Climate change is going to fuck us up for a little bit, but we're going to get through it. If we continue on a path of doing better at a rate that we're going right now, it might not seem that way, but if we start talking about, you know, the Paris Climate Accord, for example, we probably won't hit zero emissions by 2050, but if we talked about it in a more realistic way of like hey fracking is actually helping the

Planet more because it's getting people off of coal. Let's start there. What's the next step? Oh Now solar might be the next step. What about come back to that guy That guy with the farms that was on the other week. Yeah, love that guy Love what he's doing bill, But we just hit 8 billion people in the world. And if this guy who is like measuring stats says that we can only supply 4 billion people with like the total nitrogen that we have food wise, then we can't change a ton of that. It doesn't mean that these farms shouldn't push forward, right? An innovation will eventually get there, which is a big thing he was pushing on, like

invest in innovation. Maybe we'll find a way, but right now it's like there is a balance to this. It's not like one's not all bad and one's not all good. There's a there's definitely a middle ground. Yeah. And I have a bit of a different take on that one. It's it's more again, it has to do a lot with purchasing power, which we have in the West. But the problem is that we try and, and hair bill, will Harris talked about this a lot. We try to fix things with technology always like, like taking carbon out of the air. In my mind, that's not the fucking solution. The solution is, don't cut down the rain

forest for fucking soybeans. Okay. You think you're virtuous by being a vegetarian. That's great. But are you thinking about all of the fucking trees that are getting cut down to create those monocrop agriculture fields that are absolutely fucking up the planet, just as much as cows walking around and fucking up the planet? I mean, in my mind, again, there's a's a way to do both but honest more of a steady Path but like monocrop agriculture is not the solution to feeding everybody are you saying we could do Both and we have to continue to do both or are you saying that we could transition? I'm saying because honestly before this week

I thought there might be a way that we could totally transition. We probably have too many people to do that. So we might have to find a different way. A combo of two. I think that the combo of technology, and when I say technology, I don't mean taking carbon out of the air. I mean using our skills to go back to this Look nature has a way of fixing everything. The problem isn't carbon in the air when it comes to farming It's depleting the soil with nitrogen fertilizers. Right, but the but right But also the carbon is not going back into and getting sequestered back into the into the ground

Which is what needs to happen with plants and Animals eating the food and then shooting it back out and going back into the ground with compost and reusing All of those things But let me get to my point my point is that yes, there's a combination of both but dude My point is that yes, there's a combination of both, but dude, taking carbon out of the air is not the answer. The answer is, it's not even what we're talking about. No, no.

It can't go back to it. So I'm trying to figure out where you're going. Where I'm going is that maybe we can't all eat meat every fucking day. There's nothing wrong with meat, okay? But if you look at our ancestors, we weren't eating meat every fucking day. There's nothing wrong with meat. Okay, but if you look at our ancestors, we weren't eating meat every single day. There has to be a, I think, and, dude, call me out on this

if you want, but like, I think the technology that has to do with plant-based meats or growing meat so that we don't, in my mind, growing meat is the way to do it. There's science behind this. You can grow a fucking cow in a lab now and have a fucking steak that looks exactly like a regular steak. That is basically grown in a lab. I know that sounds weird. No, that's true. But to me, that is the fucking answer.

So we have a little bit of both. Can we buy those online? Should we try one? I don't know if you can buy them yet. But to me, that's the answer. So using technology in that way, instead of fixing a problem that we have, we alternate and we start maybe fucking growing less cows or growing our meat. It's a weird way to say it, right? We should like talk to our guys at BioHavis and get them not worrying about risk-vera-troll and growing stake.

Think about what a fucking change that would do if we were growing all of our protein in labs is weird and scientific and fucking weird as that sounds. It's the same fucking thing. It's just you're not, then you don't need all these feed lots, you don't need all this fucking land, you don't need cows, you know,

living these horrible lives and fucking. And the rest of the luxury farms could just be in the rest of the luxury farms are organic and they're more sustainable when you want to treat yourself on your birthday. There's a way there's a way to do it. How the fuck are we going to do that? I don't know. I don't know how we do that other than what Bill Harris kept saying, which is it starts with the consumer and what we buy. Because if we quit buying

meat from feedlots, they will quit making it because we will quit buying it. It's just applying demand. I really appreciated how it ended when it was like, why are people so worried? Like what drives these agendas? And it really came down to, it could affect our children, totally reasonable, right? We're worried about that. The media loves to push catastrophic events,

which you know they do, right? And then once the politicians find out that people are behind anything that could get them votes, they jump on the issues, the drive votes. And that kind of creates that divide. Like it, it kind of seemed to make sense because I'm like, why do people get so behind these certain issues? Yeah, because they're getting clear.

Especially when we have potential solutions to it. Because they don't want, because we don't want solutions. That doesn't, you know, those clickbait headlines are what gives them money. know, those clickbait headlines are what gives them money. They need those clickbait headlines that are fear-based because they get to clicks. You're gonna click on, you know, something that talks about a solution

or you're gonna click on something that generates fear. Which one are you gonna click on first? What do you think of anything you got from this pod that changes your kind of environmental process? If anything, and it doesn't have to. The fracking thing was huge for me. And as much as I hate to say it, I mean, if you look at the numbers, I mean, if what he was showing us is true, and, you know, I don't know what kind of agenda he would have. He seems like a guy who really wants to get down to the fucking nitty-gritty and get down to the answers.

I don't think he was lying. I don't see why he would. He seems to be doing his best. It made more sense to me like, yes, fracking is good if we can control it. And that's the scary part because, you know, it's the same kind of thing with fucking gold mines in South America. None of that shit's controlled. They're just digging in and ruining water and putting chemicals into the water.

But if we could control it and less chemicals are going to the water and less pollution's chemicals into the water. But if we could control it, and less chemicals are going to the water and less pollution's going into the air, then yes, that does make sense right now because we have the technology. And it is getting cheaper energy to the people, and it is getting rid of coal. I mean, that is really something that changed my perspective

because coal is so dirty and so of the past and so something we need to get the fuck off of that it made sense to me. Like these are the things, these are the steps, right? We can't just go from no fossil fuels to fucking powered by the sun overnight. It's just not going to happen. So how do we do these things in a more gradual step towards a better, cleaner planet? Because, you know, he talked about the catalytic converter.

You know, back in the 70s, the fucking, you couldn't, there was so much smog in LA, you couldn't even fucking breathe. Oh, yeah, dude, let. And then technology with the catalytic converter, changed that. Mm-hmm. And we didn't fix it, but we can stuff up. They have way more cars now than they have then,

and it's cleaner out. We can have more things, and it gets cleaner. We just have to clean it, for sure. Now, is that a solution? No, but it's a better solution than what we're doing now. But that's his whole point. That's really all we're trying to do. Dude, tell me that should be the conversation. Tell me when you wake up and you've had a bad day

and you hold day sucks, and the next day is like 10% beta, it doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be a bit better. And that was, that was, yeah, that's really, I think his point, which made a lot of sense. I liked it. I'd like to check his book out for sure. Well, let's jump over to the most controversial of the week. All right. Howdy, Walsh. Dude, what did you think? What did you think?

Well, you know, I haven't seen his movie yet. I obviously, we've talked about this. I think there's too much energy going towards this topic, but I'll put it this way. I do think that you should have to wait until you're an adult to your 18 to make a decision like I'm going to cut my dick off or I'm going to change my sex or I'm going to take these hormone pills. I mean, it's a shitty situation. What I didn't like about Matt Walsh is he didn't seem very, he didn't seem like he had much empathy towards these people and that bugged me. I agree with Some of what he's saying like I understand that what we're going through is fucked up and it doesn't seem right

It doesn't seem right to me and again. I don't understand it because I've never wanted to be a Woman I'm a man and I've never had this feeling like I'm somebody that I'm not. I felt like there was a lack of empathy there which bugged me, right? What he's saying is right and what these people are saying is stupid. Like there wasn't a middle ground there, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. And I think it's important to talk about it. I also think that letting a child, and again, I don't have a child who wants to be of a different sex.

So, again, I'm trying to be empathetic towards that. I'm trying to be empathetic towards parents who have to deal with this shit, because it's crazy. You know, if my kid was 12 years old and was telling me that I want to be a woman, I have a son who's only two years old, 10 years from now, if he's telling me, Dad, I feel like I'm a woman.

I don't know how I would deal with that. So that's very hard for me to come up with a concrete answer. But what I will say is I feel like kids are too young to make that decision. And that sucks for them. And it seems like there's this steep slope that's happening and it seems off-putting that people are like so either forward or against it. That's off-putting to me. Let's look at it a different way if we can, right?

And not, like I said, the TU the other day, not every decision is the same because you gave the example of like if a cake is a tattoo is 16, and then he hates it at 25 and everyone does because it's like you were 16 when you got it. And you got a terrible tattoo, right? You got like a Pokemon on there. And now you're a grown up.

Piley play a lot. What was I doing? Right. But that's not the same sort of decision as the things that would inspire somebody that would want to make a legitimate transition. And I believe there are legitimate transitions. Of course. I want to make that clear. Of course. And a lot of people should, but there are some people that don't believe that. And I'm saying they're wrong and give it a chance.

Okay. So, but what is the percentage? So let's say it's way over, which is what Matt Walls is saying. It's way over and there has been a spike. You know, you could say that's just like they feel free now and safe, but let's say it's a spike. And there's a few kids in there that don't know what's going on, but they get a bit of a support, right? So it's not the same as getting the wrong type of tattoo.

That's acting out and that's doing it and it's not massively life changing and also it's a small. But do you think some of these children could just be acting out? Of course. No, I'm saying they probably are. Right. Right. So you have those ones that are making that sort of choice. Well, how do you go about seeing the difference?

And I don't think it's unfair as an adult as a parent As their guardian even if you want to support them to say you could be right about this Yeah, but let's wait until this one age Absolutely. I had friends. I agree super political at like 12 Yeah, and I'm not saying that your political affiliation is the same as this energy to change your gender. Of course, that's a different type of decision as well. But they weren't allowed to vote until a certain age.

And there was a reason for it. And often, many of those people did change their minds. They've like, they were so sure about what they felt, but then they have flipped their pantes within that lifetime. Yeah, and I would say I would, I wholeheartedly, the thing that I agreed about most with Matt was when he was saying how when he was 24,

he wanted nothing to do with children, and by the time he was 28, I think, or a couple of years later, two, three years later, he wanted kids, and now he can't imagine a life without children. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I didn't want kids. Never wanted them, didn't think I ever wanted to be a dad,

just didn't want it. And when my wife wanted children, I was like, well, I love my wife, I don't want to get a divorce So I'm it let's have let's have a child right like that's literally what happened I didn't want to leave my wife She wanted kids we talked about it. We had a child. I can't not imagine my life without my son It's the most beautiful thing in the world, but so to my point

What if I was to get a fucking vasectomy When I two years ago when I didn't want kids point, what if I was to get a fucking vasectomy when I, two years ago, when I didn't want kids? That's so sad to think about that I would not have the child that I have now because I thought that way and I was fucking 38 when I was thinking, I'm 40 now. You could have had one of those at 18. Right.

Imagine that. But, so what, yeah, like two year point. You're a point. I think we're talking about irreversible changes. But, so what, yeah, like to your point, it's irreversible. It's irreversible changes. Yeah, right. Yeah. Exactly. So that makes sense to me.

That's a lot. And even at 18, I still feel like you're too young to make that decision, but hey, you should be able to make that decision at 18. Well, I'll tell you what. Joe got into it with him about gay marriage and other things. And I'm, you know, I don't know what everyone listening's stance was, but he, anytime someone starts kind of like stuttering and taking a long time to like figure out the answer and I'm in an R-ing. Yeah, he was doing that.

I don't trust him. And Matt was doing that quite a bit. And also, I don't really trust that stance because it just seems like a lazy example and you're pulling from like old, archaic, religious, ideological thinking. That may or may not even be anywhere near a town. And not to downplay anyone's religion, but also be careful when you bring it in, you know, thinking from like 1500 years ago, and somehow trying to apply it to the day. Like, we're fluid. We're a fluid, ever changing, ever evolving humanity. And this is where more of my liberal side comes in.

I don't care who you want to be, what you want to be. I don't care if your gay, straight trans doesn't matter to me. What's scary though, and like we were just saying, I'm not trans or homosexual, so I don't know this, but what I do know is that people who are homosexual were born that way. I don't know about trans. I'm guessing it's the same fucking thing. You're born that way. Now, is there a cultural shift where

because it's more acceptable, more stable? Why do you think they're born that way? I just, I mean, how could they not be? I don't know. Could it be like trauma that changes them? And I'm not saying that's what it is, but you seem pretty sure on your point. So, don't know the way.

Here's my point. I have someone who's very close to me, who's homosexual. It's a cousin of mine. He's not gonna listen to this, but if he was, he wouldn't care. We knew. Shout out to that guy.

Shout out to that guy. Shout out to David. We knew that he was different and not in a bad way. We just knew that, I mean, we just knew he was gay, dude. I don't know how else to say it. I'm not, there's nothing wrong with that. We just knew. And even my stepfather who is so bright- wing and was so against homosexuality because of the

time he grew up in the way he was raised, even he was like, oh yeah, that's clearly he was always that way. So who am I to say that a trans person doesn't feel that same way? If you're going to take the steps to do something like that. because you knew him really young. Yeah, everything's good talk, dude We just knew he played with dolls all of his friends were girls He never had a guy friend. He always hung out with women. He was very feminine until the minute he could fucking talk No, I mean look so and that's my only that's my only experience with someone from a very young age Knowing that yeah, David's gay, but you're also allowed your opinion and you know, I ask it

But like I had My best man in my wedding was gay. Yeah, and Well was still and did he say he always felt that way? Well, I didn't know when I was two But I think so yeah, and I've always supported him and British people, at least where I lived in England, we don't give a fuck. You just gotta be cool. It, like, at least to be my friend, doesn't mean I hate you for, like,

I just don't like anyone that's annoying. Yeah. But I, that was never a judgment of ours. But it's interesting when I ask that to people because I'm like, they're pretty sure. I don't know either way. I assume that that's true, right? I assume it's true. Yeah, I mean, how could it not be is the way I think about it? And I also feel pretty strongly about that with trans people. If you're going to go through, and I'm not

saying a 12 year old who thinks they're a man or a woman knows exactly, but there's clearly something within them that makes them feel differently. I'm not saying they should be on hormones, because maybe- But I think there might be a difference between, I was just bringing up the gay marriage thing.

I think that being a homosexual, man or woman, could be different than the recent people that are deciding whether the trans or not. I mean, I don't know either way. But there's a massive spike and they want to give them surgery and that's life changing. Whereas if you just decide I'm gay or lesbian, you I guess could also go back because you haven't physically altered yourself and you didn't do it at 15 or 12 and it wasn't like core mandated, which I feel is a bit of an issue. That's reasonable. And I feel is a bit of an issue. That's reasonable. Look, I understand both sides and it's a shame that we cannot just come to an agreement that there's

many, many millions of people out there who are different than us and who are we to say how they identify, right? Whether it's man, woman, he, she, it, they, again, 100%. 100% I don't disagree with that. I don't think you do. But what I'm saying is that it ends up being like I would just love to have someone who is trans on this pod right now because I don't feel like I have the authority to say much about it. That's kind of how I feel about it.

I feel like there's a lot of people, including Joe Rogan and fucking Matt Walsh, who have their opinions and good for them. There's nothing wrong with opinions. But who are you to say, and age again, age makes it weird, right? I'm saying for an 18 year old or above, that is a different story. But why do they care so much? It's because it's a big issue. Biden just interviewed that transgender Tik Toker. Like that's the most important thing about it. Yeah, he's trying to get votes. He's trying to get votes.

I get it. But like that doesn't make it okay It's making it a bigger issue Right, it's just like this. This is like a small percentage of things that are happening, right? But it's also it's like effects children children are watching this I get that and I'm impressionable young children absolutely Absolutely, I agree with that. Let them do whatever you want, because taught is 40 years old, it knows exactly what he's doing.

I'm not saying do whatever you want. I'm saying you should wait till you're 18 to have those types of hormones. I totally, wholeheartedly agree that you should wait. What I'm saying is that it's funny to see the opinions of older white males give so much of a fuck about this. It's all I'm saying. that it's funny to see the opinions of older white males give so much of a fuck about this.

It's all I'm saying. It's a little strange. Dude, I'm sure all the black males have. Okay, but okay, so look at Trump. Trump being on board with QAnon is no different than fucking Biden being on board with the trans somebody on TikTok with trans. It's pretty much the same thing. He's going fully left and Trump's going fully right.

It's to get votes. In my mind, that's my opinion. Is that right? No, it's fucked up. It's fucked up that our politicians need to do this to get votes, but that's the way I see it. Biden doesn't give a fuck about those people, okay? Just like Trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone who's in QAnon. Am I right? Yes. That's the fucking point that I'm trying to get. We could go

down this fucking rabbit hole for days. I'm not a trans. I don't fucking know how these people feel. I feel bad for these people that they have to deal with with this shit. It's tough. It's like hard enough. And I wish Matt Walsh would just fucking say something like that because I want to slap him in the face for being so Poignant about his fucking ideals fuck that guy. That's how I feel because Just like fuck Trump for going with the Q&A people and just like fuck Biden for trying to give votes for being But happy with the chance. It wasn't the point of his documentary is not his ideal. I didn't see the documentary.

So I know on the podcast with Joey kind of came across like that, but I promise you, if you watch the documentary, it's not going to make you more right wing. All it's going to do is highlight a really fucking important point that I was wondering about. And it's why can't they define what a woman is right and it's that they're that you know people that are supportive of a trans yeah I don't even want to say transgenders because I don't know if all of them are supporting this kind of energy push I mean maybe to some degree but some of them probably like this doesn't this is kind of annoying for me Honestly, I'm just trying to live my life and not be like highlighted. I don't want to be in the spotlight. I just want to live

Yeah, but they couldn't answer the question What is a woman and he went to like a lot of legitimate experts? that should know and it was just like the breaking down of definitions of language and understanding of kind of a reality. It was a little spooky. And that's the thing that I see with the pronouns, Jordan Peterson talked about them, you know

What is the truth anymore and then we lead into the pandemic bullshit? It's like we have to have truth. Yeah I would I would like to see the numbers when he was talking about suicide and I Again, there's plenty of things. I'm a very open-minded person, dude. I agreed with when there was someone who took hormone blockers It was though a man who took hormone blockers to become a woman or was a woman who oh no It was a woman who had a double vasectomy. That's right. Who was talking at the Some college and she was being called a fascist. Okay, that is absolutely wrong And that's what I hate about the far left.

That is not, that person is not a fascist. They're telling their story that I took on Roman blockers and now I regret taking them. What is wrong with that? Those stories should be told. And again, I guess, I guess where I'm coming from with all of this is I don't understand it. And all I want to see is more empathy towards these people. And yes, I don't think that it should be, it's not a right or a wrong. It's a we're trying to understand this and let's

be more empathetic because I don't understand how these people feel. That's what bugs me about it. It's the same fact that like right versus left pisses me off so much because we're all let's be more empathetic because I don't understand how these people feel. Right. That's what bugs me about it. It's the same fact that like right versus left pisses me off so much because we're all somewhere very close to center. Often. Often. Yeah. Especially in a state like Montana where we live, like there's very, there's so many things

that we agree on and we don't talk about the things that we agree on. 100%. that we agree on and we don't talk about the things that we agree on. 100% and also remember, we're not really trying to find answers here. Okay. Yeah. We're reviewing another podcast. Yeah. And we're just a couple of guys that have zero expertise in 90% of the stuff that we hear on Rogan.

Totally. But this is what 12 million other people are doing all the time on their own and just sitting and thinking about it. I was like to see the numbers. So we're getting, no, 12 million people download Rogan. No, no, no, I'm saying I'd like to see the numbers because there was a lot of numbers thrown out

by Matt Walsh about the amount of people that are going trans and trying to get these hormones. I, you know, where are those numbers at? I mean, look, he probably inflated a lot of it seemed like he was like, oh, millions. No, come on, dude, really? Are there really millions of people that are trying to change their COVID numbers? And you believe that shit. But that's what I'm saying. So use your side that you want to jump on with your fucking numbers about. But I'm saying don't choose a side. I'm saying it's a fiery topic for people who aren't experiencing the issues that trans people are experiencing. And so I feel like a fucking asshole even trying to explain what's

right or wrong. I know that there's, it's a fucking problem. I get that. Remember when we listen to the show, we kind of have to at least for the, unless we have a real bad taste in our mouth for the person we're listening to, we gotta take a bit of what the guest brings and be like, okay, let's assume that's true. Yeah. And then figure out what that is. It's because a lot of people will think that, right?

But I think that's a problem to assume the things that are set on any podcast are true. These are not journalists. Yeah, but you can't believe anything ever, anyway, you get it. I believe, I believe Graham Hancock, motherfucker. I believe Graham Hancock all day long because those are my beliefs. Yeah, me too. Well, but that's what we have to be careful.

And like, can we just laugh about it for a second? Because, look, man, let's, let's fucking laugh about it for a second because look man that's what's let's fucking laugh about it for a second because we don't fucking know we don't know Joe Biden doesn't know Matt Walsh doesn't know people who are 12 years old don't know they might think that they're a man or a woman they don't fucking know yet and I think that to me that's the fucking issue that's his point though that's no and I agree with that I've agreed with that since since we started talking about it yeah they can't know they can't know they cannot know at that age to my point the the thing that made the most sense to me that Matt watch talked about was

about children when he was 26 he's only issue I have is the stat on suicide. If transgender children that don't get the support they need are killing themselves at a greater rate than the post-accidental transgender children, then just like the other guy that was about recycling the correct way, you have to pick the lower denominator there. Right? Yeah, or have to.

The people that suffer whatever the least suffering in the least suicide is, answer out of this is the data that I want to support this. Right. And where's that data? I don't want any other bias. Right. Where's that data? That's that is a fucking huge point because what Matt was saying was that the data shows and what again, I don't know where this data is coming from. He was saying it was post was more suicidal. Is that true? I have no fucking idea. Well, you got to think in a big uptick. Don't you think if we just supported these people and more

more empathetic towards them that the suicide rate would go down? Isn't that the issue? I don't know. I don't know either. If they make major like surgical changes. No, I'm saying before, I'm saying before. I'm saying before they do that surgery I trained it think they're supporting them by encouraging them to have surgery

What is the word support mean here, man? I know I just I it kills me for these parents man That's all I can say about it. I just cannot imagine being in a situation Where your son or daughter wants to be someone they're not or someone they are, but they're not. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, of course. Of course that fucking parent is going to try and do everything they can. It is just a horrible gut-wrenching feeling. Or maybe ignore them because they're religious. Maybe. Well, religion fucks up all of these things we're talking about. That is a huge

problem in my mind. But that also doesn't mean that every non-religious person should just agree with their kid I'm not saying that I'm saying religion fucks us up because religion saying there's a right way and there's a wrong way that's fucked up yeah how do you say it right or wrong I mean parents have to work hard enough they're not fucking psychologists not saying you can't figure it out but what I'm saying is it's not a fucking black and white situation.

And I'm no fucking scientist here, but it is not a black and white situation, dude. Yeah, it's crazy, man. I mean, it's good to talk about, right? That's the point of this. It's good to talk about, like I'll just bring it back. I don't have any other opinion other than I would, I think that it seems to me more advantageous for these children to wait until they're older

to make that decision. That's all I can say about that. I'll say this. I'll say this. What else can you say about it? I want period, the kids, to ultimately have the best life that they can have. However, the decision is made and at whatever point they transition or don't transition with the correct information

and education and also support. But most of that comes from guidance of adults. And I don't know if it's like in the choice of the child. That's the closest I've got. And I know. You know, it could be sparked, you know. It's like, hey, I Prefer this and then there's a lot of listening understanding education, you know That's the only thing I can think otherwise fuck me dude. Yeah, it's it's a tough one man I just don't know enough about it because I've never felt that way and that's you know

We're not fucking experts here. We're just trying to pick up the pieces. Dude, we just know when people reflect on a thing that everybody listen to and make sense of it. This is all we do here. I'll, yeah, again, I'll just come back to trying to understand these people. If you were someone who thought so strongly that you didn't want to be a man or a woman, all I would want of myself is to try and understand those people, even though I can't understand those people. That's it.

I just want some understanding. It's like when you're depressed and I'm depressed, I can understand that because I've been through it. There's so many fucking people in this world who have not been through this situation. There's not enough information out there for us to make a real decision on it. I think that's the problem. We just don't know. And all we can do is fucking be understanding.

There's a lot of confusion this way. It is, man. A lot of things on the JRE this week. God damn sure. We need to pull together. Is history as long as it should be? Should you even bother recycling or educate your kids and where do you stand on the changing their gender? Jesus. Could we have had like five comedians on this? The fan has been hit with so much shit. Love this. Well, guys, I hope you end gals and transgender.

I hope you stuck with us to the end of this and make sense of it how you can. But try to stay open-minded. That's what we like to do. Yeah. That's what Joe likes to do. And we love you. That's what's up, dude. Stay open-minded because if you're all reminded, your mind can change in beautiful ways. Yeah. Awesome. Well, fuck. I don't even know. I guess much much love people. See you'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,