Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 299 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Steven Pressfield Et al.

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

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Almost 300. 300 episodes of the JRE review. Who do we got this week? This week we have Mr. Steven Pressfield, the man. Love him, love his book. We will definitely be talking a lot about that. Mr. Danny Brown, who I hadn't heard his rap before, went got a little deep with some of his rap's. Good guy. Yeah, they're good. And he's from Detroit. So I got to love that legend. And also Mr. Sean O'Malley,

who is from Montana. Also legend. I mean, that guy will knock you out. Sugar. Sugar show. Come on. So yeah, great week. Stephen Pressfield, though, really takes all the attention out of the other two, I think, but I just love him. I mean, he's the man. And it was just that to me was the bonus in the highlight of the week. Well, what's important about him and in regards to Rogan is that when Rogan started doing podcast back in 2009, he used to have a box of this guy's book, the War of Odd, and

give him way to people. And he would give it to everybody. I think it's like an instrumental part of how Rogan Orients himself, like. And as self-help books go, which I recommend that type of reading, I think it's really useful. That's my favorite type of reading. You know, there's a lot of books out there that sound good,

but you don't really change any of your actual processes from it. You know, it's just the way they come across. It's like, you can listen to some podcasts about getting in shape, right? You listen to cuberman and it's just the way they come across. It's like, you can listen to some podcasts about getting in shape, right? You listen to cubum and it's like, well, work out and so on and all these things. And you're like, yeah, that makes sense. And you get done with the podcast and you maybe don't do anything about it.

Yeah. So there's like a kind of a paralysis through podcasting that exists. And it's the same with those self-help books. There's only a few realistically that I've read that actually made a change and I would say press fields at the top of that list. Do you want to know why I think that is? Let's go. Of course I do.

It's easy to read. He doesn't make it. A lot of these self-help books, there's lists and there's things you have to do and there's tasks, right? Yeah. Press field doesn't deal with that. He just says, this is what happens. You're getting this resistance every day.

And it's universal. Oh, yeah. Everyone deals with this resistance every day. I don't want to get up in the morning. I don't want to do my shit. I call it like the blank page syndrome, right? You're staring at a blank page. Yeah.

And I don't know what to write. I don't know what to place on there as a graphic designer, like, as an artist, don't know what to put on the page. And I don't know what to write. I don't know what to place on there as a graphic designer, like as an artist, don't know what to put on the page. But once you break through that, I feel like exponentially, you just start working. It's like this thing happens with the universe and it like, it wants you to then work. Once you break through that resistance. But I like press fields books because they're easy to read. You can skip around, right? It's like a bunch of short stories basically. Yeah.

And, but, you know, it's nonfiction short stories. And it's an easy one to come back to, which is also recommended because even press field says, it never goes away, right? And it only kind of gets easier because he practices so much, which is like everything, but it's still that. I don't know if it gets easier, dude. I don't think he thinks that. I don't think he thinks he gets easier. He just knows it's there, dude. Yeah. He knows it's there. And he knows he doesn't forget that it's there. So he forces himself. I think he's just a little

bit more disciplined about it, but I don't think it's any easier to break through it. But it's an important message because think about it. He wrote this book a long time ago, right, relatively. Yeah, I think it was like 2005, still not too. He's still not too. He's on it, sold a lot of copies, had to reply to a lot of emails, come on, Rogan and talk about it many times, and still he's not coming in as like the guru of non-resistance. Like, oh, I'm past this. I figured it out. He's like, no, no,

no, it's still that. It always will be, it always will be for everyone. And often with those self-help books, it's like the habit book, for example, which sold a ton. I read that. There's seven habits of highly effective people. No, I think it's just called habits. Oh, I haven't read that one. Yeah, that's successful people. But yeah, either way, that's actually a really good book. But it's long, you know, it's not one that you're going to come back to a lot. It's just heavy. The habit book shorter, but I got done and I was like, I'm not going to build any new habits from this probably. It sounded clever.

But they almost preach it to you in a way of like, oh, yeah, I've already figured this out. And it's, you know, that resistance isn't gonna be an issue. Like, I know it, I wrote this book on the professional, I know everything about it. It just, like, there's no arrogance that comes from press field, totally. That I can feel. And it doesn't feel like an assignment. What you're saying is when you read those books, you feel like you're at school,

like I have to, like follow these steps, right? Press field doesn't have any steps. Press field just says this is what's happening and in order to turn pro, that's what I love about it. He's like, you're just a fucking amateur until you break through this resistance that's happening and do it every day. It's all about that discipline of getting up,

making yourself right or making yourself do artwork or he creates films so he's writing a lot, obviously, as well as writing screenplays and writing books. You know, Rogan's writing bits all the time and Rogan talks about how, you know, he has this agenda, right? He has, there's days in the mornings now where he does, or no, he writes late at night, doesn't he? Yeah, he looks like he's late at night.

Yeah, he looks like he's late at night. Good work. Comes home, maybe has this little too many mushrooms and starts right. But he knows. He knows that there's a resistance that needs to get broken through. And I'm going to keep saying resistance,

but if you haven't read this book and you don't know what we're talking about, read it because everyone struggles with this. And I feel like as soon as you become a pro, as Presfield says and fight this power, it's like this weird power that comes over us, that doesn't want us to create. But as soon as we break through it, the creation just comes and waves. It's like this energy that they talk about, that just, this creative energy that just starts happening.

It's like, where are these ideas coming from? I don't know, but they're coming. Well, what I really liked about what he said, and I never thought about it that way, to the same degree. Like I thought he brought something very new to this conversation, and it was like the ego part. It's like the ego is there to protect you, right? But it's also scared. So if you sit there and think for a second, and obviously Joe brought up, I think the

best example because stand-up comedy is something that I think almost everybody would like to try once. People are terrified of it. So fearful of it. Yeah. But there are funny people out there. And then when they think about doing it and I've invited a lot of people to open mics and you watch, you watch people's confidence disappear, right? I mean, you could see it in Danny Brown's podcast, because he was, we'll get to that,

but like he was getting nervous. And he's already a rapper, famous, has time on stage, a good podcast, has all the friendships to do it, but that resistance is right there. And it, it honestly, instantly becomes a roadblock. It just shuts you down. And there's been so many times that I've like sat in front of my computer, I have some school project to do, or just something important to write. And it's like my hands can't even get on the keyboard. Yeah. Which sounds insane because other times, if it's like just an email to you where I'm like,

oh, I gotta tell Todd something. Like, there's nothing. It's like we create the boundary by making the event maybe too big for ourselves. Well, but Ego's doing that, right? But that's it. Yeah. And it's just so cool to think of it that way And then once you get the ego bit out of the way, which is trying to keep you safe It doesn't want you to you know write a book that everyone will then criticize and then you'll feel so bad at ruin your life

Or say a speech somewhere that everyone would judge you on and then it'll just destroy you. That's why you get so nervous when you public speak. Totally. Because you're kind of on trial. Yeah, you're being judged for sure. Yeah. You're being judged. So your ego wants to protect you and makes you nervous.

It tells you don't do this. Well, you can still live without doing this. But you'll never reach like your full potential. Yeah, maybe you're truly creative self in a public kind of place. It's true, man. I mean, he said it. It's like ego, ego equals fear self equals love. So as soon as you can get away from being fearful of it and just realizing that really to love that inner portion of yourself, I like when he brought up Joe to Spenza. Have you have you listened to him much? No. He talks about the quantum self and it's basically the same thing.

This idea of where there's no ego, all these ideas start pouring in. And all of this energy from the universe just comes and we don't know what this energy is, but it's real. You can't deny that this happens as soon as you let go of the ego and just start writing something or as soon as you let go of the ego and get up on stage and do stand up. You've been there.

Where ideas just start coming to you. They're right. They're mushrooms to where you have no choice. That too, but ideas start coming to you on stage that you didn't even fucking think about, right? You might have had a bit started, but all of a sudden things start connecting, right? You'll definitely funnier when you get out of your own way. Yeah, when you stop thinking about how people are going to react and you stop thinking about yourself as a fearful thing. And just as soon as you let go and don't give a fuck, that's when things start coming together. I used to do this show in Koreatown called The Challenge Mike, right? And the reason I did it

is because I used to watch Jeremiah show, which is standup on the spot. I used to go all the time and Rogan would go every other one. So I think they put the show on twice a month and Actually Rogan went to like almost all of them, but it was really interesting show at the comedy store because Jeremiah Watkins would put it on. He's great. He does a lot of work with Killtony and it was where the audience would just call something out. And you have to make it up. And other big comedians would go on, but no big comedian would go on as much as Joe, which I really admired because it's a fucking difficult show. Yeah. People just shout things out from the crowd. And because also it's

Joe, they had to put a bit of a disclaimer because people would shout the same things often. Because they know it. They'd be like, fear factor or, you know, UFC. And it's the same shit. So they change it. They tell people that. No, they'd be like trying not to say those things

and just give them other topics. And he would just always hit it, but it's terrifying because you can't really use your material. Dude, it's improv all day. That's why improv is so good for actors and and stand up. But it's not really, it's like stand up improv. Well, right. Even if it's like opening a cupboard and like setting a scene. But it's still improv. You got to make it up. Yeah. And for stand up, that. You gotta make it up. Yeah.

And for stand up, that's the hardest. It's freestyle. Challenge Mike did this. And but this was just for open-mikers. You would think that, you know, most people bomb all the time, especially when they're open-mikers. Like you're bombing more than you do well. Yet in these shows, it's like almost exclusively bombing,

and the best ones were always when you got out of your own way. You just, you just, what like accepted the fact you were gonna bomb. You knew it before you got up there. And if you had a good sense of humor about it, you would win the crowd over. And they were the people that always did the best. Well, because you're laughing at yourself, right?

You're, you know, it's gonna be a mess. Isn't that just taking the ego away when you're like, fuck it, I'm laughing at myself, I'm relaxing by understanding that this is something that's hard, but I'm gonna get through it by just being humble, right? And kind of like not taking yourself seriously. Too serious, yeah. But, you know, and the hard thing about that is people, Right, right and kind of like not taking yourself seriously. Too serious. Yeah, but

you know and The hard thing about that is people People think look you got to take everything seriously. This is how you get really good at things and Etc. Well to the degree. Yeah, but you can also like completely freeze yourself With that that leads into like perfectionism and you know you struggle with that sometimes. Yeah, absolutely. And it's, yeah, it, well, the problem with perfectionism is it stops you from getting something done because you're putting it off, putting it off until it's perfect. And then you might miss a deadline or you might, you know, not get it out the way you want it and feel really bad about it, but no one

else is going to notice. So just fucking get it out. Good enough, right? It's good enough. It's good enough because who else is going to notice those small imperfections? Me. Maybe a couple other people, but probably just me, no one else will really see it. Do you think the key is to hone your art, right,

which is what you do by making magazines and doing it for years and years, and just like believing that you're getting better, knowing it too, because you're practicing it, doing it over and over, like I would have done with stand up and other people do all the time with the things that they do. And then when it comes to crunch time, when it's like display your work, the idea that

the answer to this equation is good enough is, it really is what you should focus on rather than making it perfect. Because you've been training, you've been practicing, it's gonna be good. That's hard for me to say that, because I don't wanna, I don't wanna just be good enough. I wanna be the fucking best. Too much pressure. It is too much pressure, but I think that,

I think my answer to that would be start earlier and know once I start, like break through the, break through the, the muse, like Pressfield says, dude, we got this, we've got this energy that is hovering over us that does not want us to produce or create. It's this, it's the ego. It's this fear. And getting through that once I start something,

that, that makes more sense. Once I start something, I keep more sense once I start something I keep doing it like I get excited right it's the starting that's the hardest part yeah that's that's really where this comes down to once you start doing something and you're in it you get in the fucking groove you get into that that what do they call it the flow state dude I'm surprised he doesn't just call it the flow state because to me that's what it is Yeah, you're in this flow state where nothing else matters your

Hyperfocus it's been picked up by hippie so it's getting a bit of a but that's what it is though. Yeah It gets a bit cheesy to kind of say it but there is there is something like that for sure I mean don't you think that's what they're talking I mean they might not call it the flow state But that's what they're talking? I mean, they might not call it the flow state, but that's what they're talking about when they say, when you break through that ego and that fear and start working and get to work and be a pro. Yeah, you're in the zone. And it's in the zone.

Remember, that's what it is. You're in the zone. Well, I was thinking about it the other day because I had a paper to write. And I got close to the end and I was getting a bit tired and I thought, you know what, I was thinking about it the other day because I had a paper to write and I got close to the end and I was getting a bit tired and I thought, you know what, I am done. I'll do it tomorrow and there's definitely time for that. But then I also realized, wait a minute, it took me like 45 minutes to start this bitch.

So I'm going to come back to it tomorrow and I'm going to have to have, there's a good chance I have that much time to get going again And I'm going to have to have, there's a good chance I have that much time to get going again. And I'm almost done. I'm already doing it. I'm already past that point. Why not just sit in this moment and just try and get it done? And then what happened? Well, I just finished that because I was worried I wouldn't do that. What's shit coming to you though? Like once you once you decided, yeah, I was already in the groove. I was just kind of a bit tired, a bit frustrated, but I already knew that like,

I wasn't frozen with a work. I knew what else I needed to look at. Yeah, but ego was sneaking into you. It was. It was just being such a little bitch. It is so funny though. I mean, I did it last night. I was, I couldn't sleep, so I said, do you know what?'m going to stay up and work. And as soon as I started getting into,

like, I was putting some stuff on our website and, you know, putting a story up on the web. And as soon as I started looking through photos and putting up the text and, like, creating, you know, this web page, or, I guess, post, I got excited. You know, as soon as I feel like as soon as I start anything that's creative, I get excited. It's the starting, man. Yeah. It's the starting. And it's like, Pressfield talks about waking up in the morning. That's his hardest part. That's like that's where the most resistance comes in for him, which I thought was interesting because he does seem like such a pro. And he was saying when he wakes up in the morning, that's the hardest time for him to get out of bed

and realize that today's gonna be a good day or whatever. But this is the thing. You gotta be careful about holding people on pedestals, thinking, oh, well, it's easy for them because they already do it's like yeah Joe brought up David Goggins and he says that his shoes for 30 minutes sometimes before he runs You know 40 miles, but he breaks through it every time but you would think That he would just be able to do it without stopping to like immediately get so like do it without stopping to like immediately get so like it.

There's almost, I know it's around most days, you can. But yeah, but there's like this downside to these people that do amazing things. We think about it, it inspires us yet when we feel the resistance to go do similar stuff, we're like, well, they can just do it because they're always good at it. Dude, I can't imagine staring at my shoes for 30 minutes. I would talk myself out of it 100% of the time. If it took me that long, he just won't leave the pocket. He stays right in the pocket, goes through it all, and then he's like, damn

it. I put those on. It's such an important message. And then he runs 50 miles. Yeah, Tonya was full off and it's just, I was like, I'm just gonna run a light 20 today. Oh, yeah. I don't think he's ran only 20 a day years. But it's great kind of to hear that process. Also, when Joe brought up sober October and doing the 500 calories a day, so press field said, hey, why don't you

do that every day? Yeah. And he was like, well, you know, my schedule, what other things. I mean, I guess you could call those excuses, but that's kind of reasonable, you know, because he's pushing extra hard for that month, and that's kind of reasonable, you know, because he's pushing extra hard for that month and that's kind of how that month is designed. But the fact that I think he said he was gonna move it up to what, five or six days for doing the 500 calories? I thought he was just sticking to five.

Well, but either way. Yeah. Like that's in addition on what he's doing and he's like, I know I feel better. Yeah. Fair fucks in place. That's intense. Yeah. Fat fucks in place. That's intense.

Yeah. What did you think about him? I can't remember if it was Rogen who brought it up or Pressfield about talking about how it was a dance and wolf's thing, like back in the day in the 1860s when we were fighting these tribes and these Native Americans that some of the, some of the, you know, colonists, I'll call them Americans, I guess.

Colonists. Yeah, we'll call them colonists. They, you know, became a part of these tribes. However, however that happened, I don't know. I don't know if they were taken in or if they just wanted to be a part of the tribes or maybe they got injured and then taken in But they stuck around and hung out with the Native Americans and then did not want to go back to The modern day lifestyle, but it didn't happen the other way around right right? I think it was very interesting kidnapping of like the kids in both directions.

Yeah. And there's a way that is more natural, obviously. And then they went in that direction of, it was exclusively in the tribal direction. And they loved it. Yeah, it's fascinating. It probably just feels more normal. I would love it. I mean, it fits more with our DNA.

We survived more like that for a longer period of time than whatever this modern world is. Well, they kept bringing up the point of the banker. Like, that's so much better than the life of a banker. You know, who doesn't want to go to work and doesn't want to deal with customers and just is sitting around all day. That is we are not supposed to be like that. Like our brains are not supposed to do these things.

Yeah, I don't think. I agree, but like, I mean, we are now, but we do podcasting. We're not going to turn around tomorrow and go live in a different thought hunting. It's different. I'm just saying it's it's more natural for us to be part of the land and a part of a community and whether or not modern society does this or not anymore. Back in the 1860s it was obviously a lot different. It just seems to me like if you are in a society where there's a community of people that care for each other, there's so much more love and so much less ego, I think is what it comes down to. Yeah.

I think it comes down to possibly. But that's how we've always been up until very, very, very recently. Do you think though that it could just be that everyone has a sense of purpose in those sorts of tribes? They know that place. Yeah. They know what they need to learn, what their position will be,

what they're growing into. Whereas in regular society, you know, this is why people like Jordan Peterson and other influential kind of motivational Individuals are like always find your purpose. Yeah, because it's harder to do when you're in Kind of modern Western life so much distraction. Yeah Yeah, well you just feel like a cog in the wheel in the giant machine

You're still looking to call in the wheel in the giant machine. But if you are in that tribal situation and that community, where everyone is helping each other out, you know, you're dancing at night, you're by the fire, you're looking at the stars every night, you're camping out basically every day. How wonderful is that? Hmm. That's what we've always done.

And for him, like being hunted by other tribes and going to war, that's pretty brutal. There's fear from that too, but on the nights that maybe they felt safe, those, that is where you feel more like a, I don't wanna say more human, but you just, you don't feel all of this stress and anxiety from external

Things other than yeah, maybe there's a tribe coming to kill your ass, but like what else are you scared of? I don't think that you feel like what is the point of my life? Right, I think that you know yeah, you know your boy the point is yeah You're like oh, I have this role. We got to keep people safe. I'm gonna grow into this This is what my position is right Whereas if you're in an apartment and you work in this nine to five and you got this college debt and you struggle into save, it's like great. And that just goes on. This is why people are moving away from it. In England, they just announced this thing where 100 British companies have moved to the four-day work week. I saw that.

And I think that I really hope that's the start. So they were basically saying when I read the little bit on it, that this is just kind of like this archaic thinking from the industrial age, like get the most out of people Monday through Friday, nine to five plus Get just get them working. Yeah, and now these companies are gonna test this and see if they get more productivity Yet they pay them the same. They will these people don't take less money home, which is important and Maybe the company is actually get more out of the people. I bet 100% they will get better productivity. Absolutely.

I believe that. This is a great experiment. And this is coming into some, you know, because the key is, it's not to say that people in native tribes will work every day, hard every day. But it's kind of things that they see the value in, right? They see how it helps others, it keeps everything going, and it's things they want to do. They feel a responsibility for it. Well, we can't do that with every job. There's going to be plenty of jobs if you work in a call center or wherever. You're never going to feel like this is

helping the community or like making a big change, probably. However, now you get three days off to explore the things that are important to you. Not just two exhausted days, where you just wanna sleep the whole time and then you gotta go back to work. You get like almost half your life,

not being a work to kind of find out what you enjoy. Huge. I think that's what out what you enjoy. Huge. I think that's what's key about it. Absolutely. I'm sure a lot of people will take advantage of that too. It gives you some time to do your thing and then also, I mean, you come back happy to work, which how much more productive are you when you're in a good mindset and you're happy?

Hundred times more productive, dude. Yeah. So much more productive. It's like night and day. Yeah. So the other bit that they talked about with Joerings and up a lot, is the hardest thing you've ever been through.

It's the hardest thing you know. And I think that's super important and you shouldn't take that away from anybody. Like sometimes you talk to some spoiled brats, you know, or some trust fund kids and they're crying and complained about X, Y, and Z even though they're adults and you're like, bro, grow up.

Like life's harder than that. However, it may not be to them. Like that's the most they've experienced. Yeah. Other people obviously can have more resilience because they've been through worse things, but it's real. The same as, like I think Joe said, like the kid drops his ice cream or loses his balloon. You know, and you have a two year old, like you know, it can be like the end of the world.

But like that is the worst that they've experienced. And I think that one, you got to have patience for that with people, doesn't mean they're useless, right? But also, this goes back to pushing yourself into this, these harder things that are more difficult. Like life is always going to have some freaking struggle, something nasty going on. It doesn't matter how smooth you make your existence, right? You can look at Joe and be like, oh, it was life's dope. So everything's good. There's

always going to be something that doesn't make sense to him that's a pain in the ass, something going on. I think they gave the example of it's okay to have a pain in the ass, something going on. I think they gave the example of, it's okay to have a snake in the room as long as the lights are on. I love that. It's like, it's okay to have something in your life that doesn't work as long as you're paying attention to what it is, as long as you see it, as long as it's in front of you.

You can't pretend it's not there. And we all like to do it. I love to pretend the things on that. I mean, I'm going to go to Jaco here because you mentioned Jaco again, discipline equals freedom, dude. To me, that's the, that's the thing. Or even lately, I've actually been, I found this quote from Ivanshanard, owner of Patagonia. Oh, he says, I've found the cure for depression is action. And to me, that is exactly what Stephen Pressfield's talking about.

As soon as you break through something and act upon it, you're not depressed anymore and the universe provides. Yeah. You're breaking through that laziness, whatever you want to call it, that I don't want to do this today. I don't want to wake up. I don't want to do it. It's basically that inner bitch, which is your ego, saying no, you don't need to do that.

Coming up with excuse after excuse after excuse of not to go to the gym, not to write the book, not to learn a new language. You could point pinpoint it to anything that somebody wants to do. It will get taken over by your ego, telling you that and giving you an excuse. Yeah, just don't stop working, joke off and then watch Netflix. You're gonna get sad.

You're gonna get sad till the end of the day. Can you work, don't you? You're gonna have to work. Exactly. There we go. Let's end it with that. That's it? You have your work. Exactly. There we go. What's ended at that? That's ended of that. Let's move over.

All right. We got some Danny. Danny Brown. Danny Boo. Dude, well, I'd not heard of Danny Brown. And it's mostly because I'm not cool enough to stay up the date with what's hip and happening. Good for him to for being on your mom's house though.

Oh yeah. He's in YMH Studios fucking, you know, cheers in with Saguera. I can't believe I don't listen to that show enough. I really like that show, but I just, I got enough pods to listen to, so I just watched clips and I guess I just hadn't seen him, but I like his style. I'm glad he has a podcast because if he didn't as soon as I heard him talking as soon as it started, I was like, if this guy doesn't have a podcast, Joe's gonna suggest that he gets one. Yeah. But he

already has one. Well, did you think he ended up doing five minutes in Austin? I can't remember where they where he said he was gonna take him the yeah the Vulcan Oh, it was at the Vulcan. I think so. Yeah, no, I thought he said Anyways, it doesn't matter hit Yeah, anyways, he Joe was like telling him you got to do five minutes and he agreed to it I wonder if he actually did it. Mm-hmm. The standup. I like to know I know I to look it up, dude. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't, I couldn't get it on the twatter. Yeah, there's only so much we can do. But it was called the Creek in the Cave. Oh, shit. Creek in the cave. So that must be another club in

Austin. Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of them out there. Yeah. But he was going on and on and on. I mean, Danny Brown wouldn't shut up about wanting to be a comedian. I mean, I feel like half of the three-hour long episode was him kind of trying to talk himself up about wanting to be do stand up. I think so, but what I loved about it is like, there was like this honest, authentic pot. Like, he didn't just, like, because he knows that he's a good rapper. Yeah, for sure Yeah, he's a good writer. I'm good at this. I'm a good writer. I can do this next thing yet Afraid and he didn't say that directly but like it was clear and

He wouldn't let it go and that is him pushing through his own resistance His ego was showing, dude. Wow, it's scary, dude. Yeah, of course it is. You know, he doesn't want to bomb. He didn't want to look like a fool in front of other. What I love about Joe though, is he's relentless. He will not give you an excuse to stop.

He's just like, do it. Yeah. Do it, nerd. And in a way, you could be like, well, that's kind of in regular life in some areas that could be like bullying or like, you know, putting too much pressure on some whatever you want to say. But it's the best way to encourage a person. I remember Joe once talking about this opener that he had.

And he had this big show and he wanted this guy to open. He didn't call the guy out, which is cool, but he talked about it on the pod, and he said, hey, come open for me. This is a big show. This would be great for your career. And the guy gave him excuses. Didn't show up.

And Rogan had someone else fill in who killed, he filmed it and sent it to that guy and was like, look dude, this guy killed, crushed it. Now you could say always like rubbing it in, but that's not what Joe was doing. He was like, this is the opportunity that you just missed. This is why you have to do it. If this ever comes up again, you have to do it if this ever comes up again You have to take it. I know it's scary. I know it's hard Show up and it doesn't matter how it goes really You just do it again. Yeah better keep going

Don't stop I hope he gets on stage more. I mean, he's a funny dude. He was all over the place for sure I mean I fucking thought I had ADHD and was a funny dude. He was all over the place for sure. I mean, I fucking thought I had ADHD and was looking at 12 different squirrels all day long. But he was, I mean, I feel like he couldn't keep his attention for more than a few minutes at a time. And I really, I was hoping to see more, I really like when they talk about like, he was talking about the rap game and how he came into it kind of late and I just I want to hear more about people's internal process as creatives and I feel like a lot of times that doesn't get through.

Well, to give him some credit, I think that what it sounded like to me was that he's faced the rap world, right? Not everybody is supporting each other. They're trying to be the best and not help others. So he kind of assumed maybe comedy would be like that. And you know that he would get job. He keeps. Yeah, he kept focusing on that, which is reasonable, right?

If you really face, like you've become very successful in a particular area, you probably think that the steps for achieving it in all other types of areas will be similar. And that's reasonable. That's how you would learn anything anyway. Yeah, absolutely. And he doesn't know any better because he's not in the game.

So what else, how would you know? A hundred percent. But Joe was like, I'm not having this. It's not how it works. This isn't what comedy is anymore. It was super supportive. You know all the people. You're going to be the only person that stands in your way,

which is what's going to be true. There is no doubt that guy will come up with some really funny shit. Absolutely. Yeah. There's no doubt, but he has to do it. Scary stuff. I mean, you can tell he wants to do it though. So it's all good.

I mean, he's already done it with Hannibal Burris. Burris, is that how he says last name? Hannibal Burris. Yeah. I mean, he's already opened up for him. I mean, I don't think it was a huge set, who is probably... I think he just kind of went on stage with him and just kind of felt it out. And that's probably a good intro to it, too.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think that you have to always throw yourself in the deep end either, because that can go horribly wrong and you can get really scared forever. He was saying, was he saying that he just came out with a new album too or something's about to drop? I think his record label is like holding it for some reason. That's what it was. Okay. So he's not sure what to do. But you know, that video they played was hilarious and good. Yeah, I really like it. It's wacky too and Jonah Hill shot it That's cool. Which is sweet. Yeah, do it speaking to Jonah Hill off the subject for a second But have you seen that movie that Jonah Hill just came out with on Netflix about his therapist?

Stuts. Yeah, so good so good really good so good. I mean obviously I'm going into I'm in grad school for Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats, if if if fucking if Danny can get on stage and just talk about how much of a fucking game nerdy is, that should tell areas to me that he can play power watching simulators for hours on it. Let's go to that for a second guys. He's obviously obsessed. He's obsessed. Seriously. I mean, I haven't played the game. I don't want to be too juggie, but like, okay, so you're a rapper that can go to like, you can go to, you know, festivals and concerts and everyone screaming at you and then in your spare time, full-fory. Yeah. You play a game that is the same as a job that you would never want to do. Driving trucks. I don't get it. Well, he clearly was sat in front of the TV. I mean, he mentioned that he sat in front of the TV.

His parents didn't want him out in the streets of Detroit. So they put him in front of a game console. And that's all they did growing up. So he became obsessed with games and shit until he was running the streets at 16, 17, whatever. But before that, he was sitting in front of the fucking, probably Sega Genesis for hours on end. Yeah.

Well, it's a, you know, maybe it's not a bad distraction. I mean, he clearly loves it. It's funny to think about though. Totally. Totally. Like, it's almost like if they make the games look real enough, it's like you could be mowing alone. and all of a sudden This is like therapy for you. You're just like, yeah, so peaceful. I just get in my VR goggles and jump on a Moa and I Mo like

Seven acres, too. He's he was going on and on and on about that power washing simulator. I Want to play money. Where do you get that? Fuck that, I don't wanna play that. I've power watched decks before. My stepdad's deck, I power watched that fucking thing probably eight times in my life. Yeah, but maybe the video game's better, bro. No way. I mean, I guess I could see some wards.

Meditative, you know, there could be some meditative properties to that that would be helpful, I think, to get your mind off of other shit. But I'd rather just fucking go to the gym or go to yoga or something. I'm with him. But hey, Danny Brown's his own man and he loves those VR goggles. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, Joe brought up another point about um, Duncanussell, who's a big gamer. And then they, there was, I think, shout out to our boy again on Jerry Companion. He put together like a slide of all the costumes that they've worn over all the pods that he's been on. I mean, I'm pretty sure other than maybe Red Band, Duncan's been on the most. And they always wear costumes.

And just watching how that goes and how they didn't ever stop doing it. I feel like, you know, as Rogan's grown, the podcast changes. He has to change whether it be more serious, be more responsible for some of the stuff that he talks about. He definitely doesn't get as high as he used to in the beginning, you know, and yet when Duncan's on, it's almost getting more ridiculous when he's like in the best way. And it's so good that that happens. I mean, come on, dude.

He hasn't lost. Just wait till you're a dad. When you actually have those nights where you have a babysitter and you go out, black outs and you're like, let's you go out blackouts and that's what every time. Love that. All right, let's jump over to Sean O'Malley. Sean Ski. I didn't know he was from Helena, so shout out to Montana.

Really? I didn't know that. I didn't know that until I was listening to the, to the pod. Well, we're just, we're just getting taught into the UFC now. I'm getting into it. Dude, that, I mean, speaking of that, that last, what was that two weeks ago, where there was like seven fucking knockouts. The Adesanya.

Dude. Dude. That I was way into watching that. So basically, I've been wanting to get taught in to the UFC for a long time. And I mean, there are certain people that you know, even if you're a fan of it, it just will never get into it. You can tell. All right. It's just like, no, but it's like trying to get me into golf, never gonna happen. Yeah. Right. Doesn't matter what you say about it or how good it is, it's just never gonna happen. Yet, sitting a few guys down at the studio, putting the

project on and watching that fight, and it was like the most knockouts in UFC history I think like the third most submissions plus only went to decision once yeah, it was my it was like any Dana white's probably been waiting for that since the inception of the UFC. It was that wild Yeah, and I really didn't understand the significance of it until afterwards, right? I'm just like, wow, does this the way it always is? That might be close. That might be enough to get people out. I was way into it.

It was that was a fun night. It was really fun to watch. Well, I mean, Sean and Malley came up through the ultimate fighter, the TV show, crush it on there. And he's just been a character, right? He's very, very good, very long for like tall, lanky for his weight class. That's a huge advantage. Six foot and like 120 something. Yeah, and he's got some jets and he, you know, he's like well rounded. It'll be interesting to see how far he can go, but he's a great character and he seems like

a good advocate for it. Like he's not a piece of shit. Hit, hit talk shit when he needs to. And he's good at being a celebrity because he's got his colorful hair face tattoos. I mean, he's a wild character. He's a good personality, mate. But he Instagram is great.

He's not an asshole. His Instagram is great. And he loves smoking weed. He's an advocate for legalization, which I appreciate. Yeah. And hemp. And hemp, he's got his own, hemp line too. Really?

Or is that my mistaken? Oh, I didn't know that. I saw something on his Instagram where he was like pretending to be, he did this commercial for a brand and I thought it was a hemp brand. He was talking about CBD. But I think he was just making fun of CBD while smoking a joint. I like it.

Which was funny. Makes sense. I mean, he's just a funny dude. He seems to be in character at all times and he's a good character. Right. And he talks shit. He talks shit, what you got to as a fighter. You have to...

But not match it and it's not cruel. He knows the game, I think. Yeah. He just, he seems like a genuine dude. And you know, Snoop got him famous, right? I mean, isn't that how he came up with his... Snoop was a big fan of him earlier Yeah, and of course it makes sense that both dope

Yeah, and smuggle a lot of dope I mean his website's dope too. This is the sugar shop Well, he talks about getting in the right headspace and he brings up cowboy who has had you know Some of the most fights in the UFC legend, dude from New Mexico, lives in Edward where I lived when I first moved through the US. I lived in that, you know, it's a city, but it's like a small town. It's what it feels like. I live there.

And, um, you know, for him to just like state, it was roots. He's a good guy. He's like the only guy Connor ever fought that there wasn't any shit talking. There was a lot of respect. He's a legend, but he would get really amped up, really nervous before his fights, like a lot of fighters do. So getting in that headspace is tough for Omali. It seems like this is just go time.

Like that's what makes him so good as he stays so loose. for Omali, it seems like this is just go time. Like that's what makes him so good as he stays so loose. He's got, well, he's got a routine down. He's talking about listening to Jack Johnson and then he pumps up to music a little more, but he just, I don't feel like he gives a fuck. We were talking about that earlier. As soon as you don't give a fuck and let go of your ego a little bit,

you, some people would look at him and think that he has an ego, but he does not seem that way to me at all. No, he seemed very chill. He's, and I'm saying, interviews when people have met him, they walk up to him to say hi, like he seems like cool and gracious in that one. Super nice guy. Yeah, dude, what's up? He's a grateful dude. Like he he's he's like you said gracious, but he I feel like he understands the He he understands What he has done and he does he's humble about it. Yeah, he doesn't seem like He has a ton of ego. He really does. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't annoying me at all on the panel. No, I wanted to hang out with him.

Right. Fuck yeah. He seems to be just a brawl. I want to go have a beer with him. And even his breakdown of like different fights, different fighters, I mean, it was a very MMA heavy conversation for a long time. So I knew that you might like lose some interest in that, which I get. I mean, you're just getting into it. You wouldn't know a lot of the fighters they're talking about

and the ins and outs of what's going on. But even his breakdown of a lot of the fights was like, it was really quite reasonable. He wasn't hammering on anyone. He was giving everyone their due, which I loved. I mean, just respectful shit for sure Yeah, well there was a there was a good couple I can't remember the name of the guy. He was like they showed the video of him punching somebody. He was shit someone with shit talking

Oh, I don't know what was that yeah Shit, I don't know if I haven't in my notes, but I mean, that was a long one, dude. Three hours and 40 minutes. Woo! Some of these are, this is why, you know, I'm happy that I just now figured out how to play Spotify at 1.2. I didn't know. 1.2.

Yeah, I can't do 1.5. They talk too quick. And I don't feel like it's a normal conversation like listen to chipmunks. Yeah, it's too much chipmunks You know, he didn't talk much about being a vegan before like he was a vegan for a while Hmm, I was surprised he didn't talk about that more. I would I'm interested in that kind of shit I mean my brothers a vegan. I don't want to be vegan. I love meat, but it always surprises me when athletes of that caliber are vegan. I'm curious about it. I know some strong vegans in the Giu-Jitsu community, and I can't even get close to this strong. So it works for some people. I don't know how they do it. I don't feel like I could do it. No scientist, no doctor, but I feel like it has a lot to do with

your blood type. I've heard of this, that your blood type kind of distinguishes what works and what doesn't work as far as what you eat. That sounds like witchcraft. Maybe I think it comes down more to like your strategy, right? You got a supplement. You got to make sure that you're getting the nutrients that you could be losing and you've got to be good at being a vegan like in the sense of like making sure that your food is cooked in a way that way you can extract the nutrients and you're not just eating french fries and salad. Well bread. Bread, yeah. Yeah. I know some fat vegans and it's all bread.

I will say talking about the retail heroin market, making it the same as the marijuana market. That was interesting. I mean, you think about it like if every drug was, I can't remember who brought it up whether it was Rogan or O'Malley. Probably Rogan. If you think about it being regulated that way, it makes so much more sense to me. It's like there's, you get rid of the fentanyl and all the coke out there and you stop killing all these people who don't know any better. It just seems like the right way to go, but you know our fucking government is making money off of these drugs

So they don't want to do it that way, but if they tax them They would be making even more you would think I saw something the way was like last year in the US They 158 billion was spent on illegal drugs. Yeah, no, it's a 150 billion. I have that down in the notes Yeah, that is A's a 150 billion. I have that down in the notes. That is a lot. And if you tax that, that's a bunch. It's like, Hey, we've been doing the war on drugs since the 70s since next year. Obviously, we suck at it because we're at 158 billion. And why not just be like, Hey guys, yeah, we suck at this. People are getting

in anyway, we can't even stop it. Yeah. Let's get that shit up to 250 billion, tax it, and make it non toxic, and then have good education around it. Absolutely. Why can't we have a good time within reach? I think they mentioned the fact that most, and you would know this grown up in England, most people in England, it's not a scary thing to drink a beer by the time you're what? 14, 15, 16? 12. 12. Maybe 12's a little young.

I feel like you got to have hair on your nuts before you have a beer, but I could be wrong. They, in France, they give you glass of wine with meals when you're, but you know, you see where I'm getting at here. That, to me, if you keep it more of this social thing and it's not this demon, it's like, you treat it more responsibly if you, and I'm not saying people should start taking

illicit drugs at 15, but if people talk about it and say, yeah, yeah, you can do those things. You gotta go get a prescription or you have to pay for X amount. You have to be 21 years old to get it, but it's regulated to the point where it's not gonna kill you. You're not getting it on the black market. Yeah, I mean, if it's just talking about it, really.

We're good education comes with it, and there is education stigma. It's like, hey, there's a reason that we say, be, although when you drink a lot, your brain is developing. The same with other drugs, right? It's like parents will tell their kids, don't drink. Don't drink. You can't drink.

And then all you want to do is drink. But they're drinking. So then you got to hide it from them, which we all did. We'd all like sneak it and have our beers. But in England, people weren't sneaking at that much where Were they? It was like a more of a common thing. It's kind of hard to like equate this, but I think there's less binge drinking problems in universities in England than there is in the US because basically, you know, kids in the US may not have any access to it.

They get to college and then they go to get a hold of a bottle of vodka and they have no understanding of it because all they've been told is don't do it and now the friends are doing it and then everyone's blacked out. Yeah. I don't know.

It's probably just as bad in England, but there's something to, like, it wasn't as big a deal. Like we were 18 in England. And I was like, yeah, I'm not going to get placked out tonight. I got shit to do. I'll drink a bit. We were legally of age.

Yeah. And, you know, you move on. But I've seen plenty of people, stateside, that have just like, you could tell it's the first time they got a whole of it. And then I'm going to make it the next two hours of this party. Bad move. Yeah, it's interesting. It comes, it really seems to me like it comes down to the moderation and the education. For sure. For sure.

Well, on that note, let's call it for this week. Thank you, Todd. As always, good group. I recommend everyone go back and read the the War of Art. Yep. Stephen Pressfield. What a legend. Yeah, my favorite for the for the week for sure. And yeah, thank you guys and gals and whoever non-binary for listening. We appreciate you and tune in next week later. Later. Later.