Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 301 Joe Rogan Experience Review of David Goggins Et al.

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

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Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. He'd have been the worst podcast with I guess one of the best ones. One, go. Draw the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. A little bit of a complicated one this week as I am in England and Todd is in Bozeman. So there are many factors that plan to how difficult this is. I am in England and Todd is in Bozeman. So there are many factors that plan to how difficult this is, how you doing Todd?

I'm doing great buddy. It's snowing, it's 16 degrees, Fahrenheit out there in the wild world of Bozangilus. But yeah, good week man. It's been a great week. My eyes. It's been a great week. My team's done. Been listening to a lot of pods, been reading again, all right, going to the gym, been going to the gym a bit, feeling good, man.

I am. You're, you're kind of getting it in before the new year's resolution. I haven't made a resolution yet, but I think it's going to have something to do with working out like it always does and not gonna fuck it up this time not fucking it up this year, buddy So it's all it well, it's I'm gonna be a Gog and Fight those demons, baby dude. He you know, he inspires people That is for sure. Why don't we start with Mr. David Goggins? What a legend of, I mean, just coming through so much adversity, you know, his dad beat him up, his dad beat his mom. I mean, I have read his book. I read his first book. Did you read that one? Oh, yeah. So good.

I forget what, forget what it's called. It was his first one, I think. It came out like four or five years ago, something. Yeah, I think it's called like you can't hurt me or something. Yeah, you can't hurt me. That was it. Yep. Unbelievable. I mean, the shit that he went through, the stuff that he went through in Navy SEALS when his knee was all messed up, member, and he had to go through the same program, like three times, wasn't it?

Oh, yeah, Savage. Unbelievable. And you know what's interesting about like some of the most difficult moments for him recently, and he talked about it with Rogan, how other seals, you know, and special forces, guys are saying he didn't deploy and x1 z i mean i know a few and they've said that to me and i never really said anything in response like i didn't know either way but i kind of wondered like where is the motivation for this coming from does that make sense i didn't understand that no i I get it. How did you know these guys just from being down in near San Diego or what? No, no, they're guys and those. Well, you know, one of them. That's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know, I know here talking about crazy. And that's the rhetoric that you know, they like to say, oh, no, he didn't even deploy and he didn't do, and I'm like, ah, I wonder,

because here's the thing, right, you've got to assume that these same people, and it's nothing against them, but these same people are hearing one side of a story and another side, and they're quick to jump on the side that shits on another person instead of assuming the best. And maybe that just comes from being high level competitors, you know, they're in ultra competition all the time. But I don't know, it seems, it seems like a shame and especially if it's not true, it doesn't seem very practical. Yeah, but wasn't he saying it has a lot to do with people who still haven't Sifted through their own clutter, right? They're still dealing with their own demons, and that's why it's easier for them to go with the narrative That makes that shits on David Goggins, which which really an ego thing in my mind. For sure. It feels like an ego problem or too much ego.

I guess that's being grateful. I guess there's a part of all of us that in some way, like, you know, when you talk of like knee jerk reaction, right, you're very first response before you have a chance to kind of sit there, think it's through and really decide how you want to proceed with a situation. Maybe all of us have this like built-in jealousy immediately, right? It's not to say that you don't want your friends and people you care about to do well, but I mean, it's not uncommon to not really want people that you can't stand to do well. So maybe it's just this inbuilt like competition in us. I think there's a lot, I think there's a lot of that.

I will say that it's worse. And we, you and I have actually talked about this quite a bit with some of the people we know, and we've seen it in Friends of ours. Unfortunately, it's just the way some people react to other people's successes. And I think you and I are really good about cheering people on and being the cheerleader for people and wanting to do,

have all of the people we surround ourselves with to do good. I think Rogan is that way as well, but I would say that most people don't like to see others do well, and I don't know where that comes from, but I would say most people are not among the people who want to see everyone succeed. But maybe it all starts in the same place, sorry, maybe the only reason we do it is because we think about it, talk about it, and practice it. Maybe it just takes practice, it's like anything. You know, think of everything that Goggins is,

he's like disciplined, right? He focuses on things that make him capable of running 240 miles and guaranteed the things that he chooses to believe in. It's not going to be hatred towards others when it comes to those difficult pursuits. So it's the same kind of thing. It takes practice. I haven't always been that way. I'm sure I've been bitha and frustrated plenty of times. Like, no doubt. Well, I think about it this way, when I get pissed off at my son

who's only two years old, right, I get frustrated. And maybe I lash out in a way I shouldn't. Like, I'll raise my voice when I shouldn't. And then I have to go into the other room and start punching pillows or just walk away, whatever. That sort of thing only happens when I'm having a shitty day or if I'm not doing the things that I know I need to be doing. Like if I'm procrastinating at work

or I'm not answering my phone for whatever reason or I'm like a little bit depressed or behind on shit, then I tend to, then I tend to have, in my mind, it's really just that negative kind of jealous, it's almost like negativity feeds off a jealousy and vice versa, it's like, if you're in a shit place and Goggins talked about that, he's like, when you're in a shit place, you're gonna act that way.

You're gonna react differently to other successes because it's almost like you're pissed off at yourself, but you're lashing out at others to almost make yourself feel better. It's kind of like all those people who are bullies who make fun of people to make themselves feel good really when in reality that their life's kind of suck and they know it and they don't want people to know that their life's kind of suck and they know it and they don't want people to know that their life sucks, right? Yeah, so I see what you're saying. Like it's an accumulation of kind of mass in your own behavior that inevitably will lead you there.

Which is interesting. Which is interesting. And it feels that way. No, I think it might be right. I mean, that's interesting to think of, right? So in a sense, like no one's immune to that behavior. And we should in some ways have more sympathy for it, but it doesn't make it okay. It just means that they have a lot of clutter kind of in their life, right?

Exactly. Because they're dealing with shit that they have not passed through yet or have gotten through yet. So they're taking out those emotions that maybe they don't even realize they have onto others and it's making them in turn feel better by pretending that these other people are not that good or these other people didn't do this thing or these other people, you know, they might be successful, but they question it because really in reality, they want success in themselves and they're not getting it, right? Right. Yeah.

That's the way I've always seen it. And I feel like anytime I'm doing really well and I'm on top of my shit and I'm being a good boss and I'm being a good dad, then all this like gratefulness comes in. And Goggins kept speaking to that. He's so grateful because he went through so much shit. I mean, he has gone through more than any of us can even fathom when it comes to his mom getting her ass kicked. Him getting his ass kicked.

His dad was a pimp. You know, they ran that. What was it like the roller rink or whatever? His dad was like a pimp and so that's right. And selling girls, he was a fucking piece of shit. His dad was a piece of shit. Yeah. And, you know, he used to be a fat kid

and he used to get made fun of. You know, he was in this all white school member. He was in like Missouri or some all white like out in the middle of nowhere. And he's this fat black kid. He's like the only black kid in his high school. I mean, how horrible would that be? You know, how discriminated was he against?

You know, I mean, he has overcome all that. And so I think that's where his mentality comes in is he's not talking shit to people because he's been through that. And he knows how bad that feels. And he knows how fucked up that is. He still deals with those demons every day. It sounded like, you know, as much as we think he's like a God and he's insane, the things

he does, he's still dealing with, you know, he talked about taking a half hour to fucking lace up his shoes because he didn't want to run that day or whatever. He's still dealing with that shit. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, you know, Rogan's talked about it with him and Caminanes. And, you know, when David talks about hanging out with Caminanes and all they tried to is break each other. Rogan has mentioned it plenty of times. He's like, listen, these guys have demons.

And this is why they could do this. Like, I can't, I don't even know if you had just the fullest life of love, if you could get the kind of motivation to push yourself that hard. I mean, running a marathon is one thing, right? That's a pretty incredible achievement for almost anyone to do. But think of running 100 plus miles, 200 plus, I mean, I can't even fathom it. I'm amazed that anyone could stay alive. Yeah, I understand. How can you? I don't understand how, how, yeah. And they're in their qualities. They're not young Or running six-minute miles for 20 miles him and him and Cameron were doing that Not that's unreal six-minute miles. I I

Don't think I've ran a six-minute mile since high school I think I ran like a 540 and I threw up at the end of it You know because we were all push pushing ourselves at 17 years old, you know, this before we started smoking sigis and doing all the other dumb shit we do. Um, imagine doing that for 20 plus miles. I mean, it's, it's, he's the, what, point one percent of athletes and endurance athletes out there in the world. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fucking Jamaican Bob's lead team's got nothing on God.

Hey, that real athletes too, Todd. Give me a chance. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely superhuman for sure. But imagine more mental, right? It's more mental than physical almost. I mean, he's obviously an amazing physical shape other than his knee being like looking like a balloon, but it's got to be just as much

mental. It's definitely primarily that, but also I just cannot believe. I mean, physically there are limits, right? I mean, you know, if you look at a bone like a twig and you're bending the twig and you just want to believe that it will never snap and you keep bending it, it doesn't matter how much you believe it won't snap. There are physical limitations. So I don't really know how the mind can push a body that far. I mean, that's almost, but basically, there's 10 marathons in a row. That just seems absurd. Yeah, I don't understand it either. God bless. Yes, it is. It's so crazy. Yeah, but I mean, let's not forget. I mean, I think people sometimes are like, well, yeah, those guys can do the Moab

240 and the Ultra Marathon. I'm just like, hold on a second. I don't think you understand what you're saying when you're saying a human being can do this. I'm pretty sure like 10 years ago we didn't even know a human could get close to this, let alone somebody in his 40s, let alone somebody that shows up to the doctor and the doctor tells him, I don't even know how you can walk on these knees and he just has them drained and a week later goes and runs that far. and he just has him drained and a weak late that goes and runs that far. Yeah, dude. Did you see that photo of his, like, when the doctor pushed his hand print, it looked like one of those fucking rubber balls that you squeeze and like your hand print gets

indented into it? Dude, it was horrific. It didn't even look like a knee. It looked fake. No, that was just one of the grossest cosas que me pensaba que era una ciencia. ¿Vas a ver lo que les dijo que era una ciencia? No, no. Es una ciencia. Es muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy muy la escultura de Picasso se distingue por innovar en el uso de técnicas y materiales poco ortodoxos. ¿Puedes imaginar cuál es y cómo? Descobrela. So not trying is a failure is what he's talking about. He's saying that every time you try and fail, he doesn't like to call that a failure. It's just an attempt.

Yeah, well that. I had never heard that. I don't remember him talking about that in his book. Maybe I missed it or it's been too long since I've read it, but I just love that mentality. And it makes sense because you got to try and try and try again before you get anywhere. I mean, you can do a dead horse if you're trying, if you're trying the same thing and it's not working, you should probably try something different. But if you're

going to keep trying and you fuck up, I like that, that mentality of those being attempts and not failures. That was huge. Well, I think, I think a lot of what he kind of discussed here is like the new book, right? And there's a tendency when you write a book, I would assume like Goggins has, it's like you spill your whole heart into it, you give it a year or all. And in a way, when it's a motivational message, you give the whole message. But it sounds like, according to what Joe read, and how moved he was, and also a little bit kind of shocked he was reading the new book, that this is a different book with a different, you know, ultimately the same message, but done and maybe in a different light and

slightly different clarity. I haven't read it, but he certainly sounded different. And that also goes to why it's so impressive in some ways, I think, that he hasn't done the podcast, you know, a circuit. I mean, the last one he was home was broken and people love hearing from Guggins. I guess he just doesn't give a fuck to go on and do this shit. He doesn't care. No, he doesn't seem to care. He's got his own shit to deal with. But yeah, I mean, as far as I could tell, it's, it's well, well, here it is right here. I just looked it up.

It's called never finished. Unshackle your mind and win the war within. So, it sounds to me like it's all about, well, it says right here, Goggins takes you inside his mental lab where he developed the philosophy, psychology, and strategies that enabled him to learn that what he thought was his limit

was only his beginning and that quest for greatness is unending. So again, I think it comes down to that thing of like every day as a struggle for him no matter how amazing his feats are and we see them to be he's still struggling every day to do what he does. Well, I mean, look, he's wealthy now, very wealthy. And he could literally just go on a motivational speaking tour and stop running and maybe save his body.

But what he talked about early on was that somebody would reach out to him and say, hey, you literally kept me alive. Or maybe he missed an email and that person ended up killing himself. That's why. Yeah, that was that was a rough one. You know, but I mean, he's one guy. It's tough for him to, unless he is a team of people getting back to emails, you know, that's, that's a lot too. Yeah, he can't blame, can't blame yourself for that, but it's still, but it gets him running. And he's like, you know what, if I get one person up that didn't want to do it, then I'm just going to keep doing it. I don't know what his endgame is.

I guess he doesn't give a fuck about his body. He's just going to run that shit and have the ground. But I mean, when I say he doesn't give a fuck, it's not like he's eating McDonald's all the time and not training again fat I just mean he Ham as it and we're gonna find out how far that thing goes Yeah crazy They didn't really talk about any supplements or anything that he's taking. I wish they would have I wish they would have talked about like what his

Maybe they talked about this in the past, but they didn't talk about it this episode of like, what he's eating, how he's keeping that, you know, the pain aside. I mean, obviously his knees are completely fucked. I think they talked a little bit about ice baths and stuff, but they didn't go into his kind of routine. I mean, he runs every single day, right? Yeah, it sounds like we need to get Goggins into some ice of routine. I mean, he runs every single day, right? Yeah, it sounds like we need to get

gogins into some ice bath stuff. Hopefully Joe buys them one or hooks them up a one. Because it's, yeah, this guy needs to be soaking and in the sauna. Soak in, baby. Yeah. He's to be soaking in Utah and then he needs to have his buddies jump on the bed with him because that's a new thing

that they're doing down there. What? I just heard about that. Sorry off topic. Off topic. I'll settle down. You settle down, dude. All right, let's jump over to the B lady. All the sleeping up parks, let's say of our parks, but I feel like B lady was that was Erika Thompson. And I've been following her for some time on Instagram. I can't remember why I how I found out why I even cared about checking it out, but it just seemed interesting. It's like cute little videos, bees. She's massively popular on TikTok. I mean, what do you say, like 130 million bees for like some videos? Yeah, the one that they were showing towards the beginning, where she opened up that shed, it looked like it was a little, it was a small shed. It was like a probably a 300 square foot shed, if that, you know, it looked like a little backyard shed. So probably even smaller, like 150 square feet or something.

And they remember they were, she ripped open that siding. I think that was the video that got all the views. But she ripped open that one piece of siding and the entire thing was from top to bottom, just covered in hives. I mean, not, excuse me, not hives, not hives. It's called a, it's not called a hive, is it?

Honeycomb? Or is it? A honeycomb? Hives are, I think hives are for wasps. That's different. No, they say beehives. Right, beehives. It's a beehive.

Oh, they are calling it a beehive. Okay, well, so the honeycomb is different than a hive, though, because it's like straight up and down. I guess it depends on where it is, right? Because you've seen hives before where they're like circles, right, and they like hang out under the eaves in your attic or whatever, but then when they're in those walls, it's crazy

because it's like just a wall of hives. Yeah. It's like straight up and down. It's pretty sure honeybees, you know, so the ones you see hanging down are usually like hornets or other flying creatures. Honey bees pretty much are like in logs and trees and crevices because they got to build all that honey.

I don't think they could just hang a whole deal. Maybe they can, I don't know. But anyway, they seem very important. And I guess without them It fucks up all the pollination, which seems like a problem. Though saying that they she did say that Honey bees were not in the US for all that long so And she said that other creatures like other insects and things would do pollinating.

So, is it the bees of the important or they just part of the importance of pollinating things? Well, it says one in three foods that we eat have been pollinated by a bee. So I would say that they're probably the most important pollinators, but I don't know. I mean, it sounds pretty crucial for our survival to have these things flying around. Yeah. And how they use smells. What was it? Pheremonauts to communicate?

How many words or not words, but how many different things can they communicate just with a smell? Like how many different smells can an animal make? I don't know, it's crazy. I mean, it's crazy to me is, well, they only need to really know one smell and that's the smell that the queen is emitting.

And then as soon as they have that then they know where to go they know who their people are because the West. I think they have a bunch of different messages that they send. Yeah, I mean, they obviously they have to know more than one smell, I guess, but yeah, that would make sense. I mean, the most important one though is the queen, right? Because they're doing everything for her without the queen, the colony's dead. Well, well, all they just, um, I think they can just like exist without one for a while. I don't know if they get another one mate, mate with another one. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, they were saying those drones, right? The males. What was it? The males just couldn't. So they don't do shit. No, it's crazy. And they just fly off and just try and have sex all day. The males fly, the drone males,

it's only 5% of the colony if that. The 95% of the colony are female honey bees and they have the stinger, so they protect the hive and they create the honey. While the male bees were flying like a hundred feet, it said within a hundred feet, but they go up, they go straight up. So we never see this happening,

because there are a hundred feet in the fucking air. These male drone bees are just flying around waiting for another queen to fly by, apparently, is what I, from what I could tell, from what, from what Erica was talking about. These male drone bees don't really have any other purpose. They don't have stingers. They die within six months,

and they die when they fuck a queen. So when they mate with a queen, they die anyway. Man, they must really want that. That's very strange. Very strange. Well, it's a lot, it seems like a lot of insects kind of do that type of stuff anyway. So they just got one purpose. And that's it. Pretty crazy, man. The super organism, dude, I never thought of a B colony as a super organism, but it makes sense. I mean, the queen is it dude, you know what

it reminded me of it reminded me of a fucking that movie where the dude that that true story. Well claims to be true. I believe it. That fucking guy was it Travis Parker. He's I feel like he's been on Rogan before the guy that got abducted by aliens in Oregon in the 80s. Oh yeah, yeah. He's been a rocker. Fire in the fire in the sky. Fire in the sky guy. Mm-hmm. It reminded me of that of this super organism of aliens like breeding. And remember, he wakes up in that pod.

It, that was a cool movie, dude. I was like pretty, that was ahead of its time. When that movie came out, there was some crazy special effects. Remember when he gets taken into the, into the spaceship and he fucking ends up in this pod of like waxy shit and he's got all these aliens like hovering over him and sticking needles in him and shit, remember that?

I haven't even seen that movie. I've heard him talk on a talk though. Is it good? That's a great movie, but I'm going to watch it. But listening to him talk though, I mean, what? He was gone for like two weeks, remember? Everyone was like, his brothers were freaking out and they found him in like a phone booth like two weeks later He's in a phone booth on the side of the road with like no clothes on. It's a crazy story Well, but think about it this way right to your point and

It would take away a lot of our personal freedoms, but imagine if we became a super organism of our personal freedoms, but imagine if we became a super organism, which, who knows, maybe that's what like all this government oversight and credit score shit is trying to do. It's just trying to make us all so compliant that we become like ants or bees or, but to be fair, you give that a couple of generations. People would forget what these freedoms were. We'd be way more efficient as a super organism only works for the organism. So individual joys freedoms would disappear. But Mike, you know, we'd be traveling the solar system in no time. I'm not saying it's good, but it might be how it's, it's a long mat line, right? Definitely, definitely scary to think about, but I mean, you look at the hands, handmaid's

tail, shit like that where they're like controlling the women and it's freaky to think about. I mean, that's a little bit of a different story, but it's definitely has a lot to do with control and them not knowing what we used to have, right? As soon as all of our freedoms go away, we don't know what we've lost. Yeah, but I like bees. Bees never have that. So to them, it's just like they're just doing a great job. Making honey, being awesome.

They just want to have sex one time and then they're dead. Yeah, and also how they kill those hornets is nuts. Just cooking them. Oh, good. I hate hornets how they kill those hornets is nuts. Just cooking them. Oh, good. I hate hornets. Fuck, I'm allergic to those things, dude. You know, like, show Alph,

remember that show Alph? Did you ever watch that in the 80s? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Early 90s. The eight cats. Did he eat cats? Yeah, yeah, he loved it. He was an alien, right?

Yeah, he was, yeah, he's from another planet. He had that, he looked like an ant eater. He had that weird nose. Yeah, yeah, he liked cats. He wanted to eat cats all the time. All right. Well, this might be too much info, dude, but when I got stung by a B, I got stung within an ear.

Are you going to talk to Jake about it, my brother-in-law? You know Jake well. Right. Fucking, I got stung in the ear by a hornet and within Five minutes I had hives all over my body. I was itching like I've never itched before like I've had poison ivy before this was like Ten times worse on the itch factor and I was like clawing at myself I I had to go home because I was I literally was blown up like a fucking balloon and I took all my clothes off and got into an ice bath My dick looked like alphs knows. I mean it had like 25 crinkles in it

It was like an inch big. I was so scared It was freaky dude and I sat in a nice bath and took a bunch of Benadryl and I finally calmed down But that was scary dude like wow I should probably get an Epi pen That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea.

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see about. I don't know, man. The Benadryl helped, but yeah, it's not, wasn't good. It sounds old. But what did you think, how cool was that to see when she pulled that honeycomb out of that wall? And there's all those different colors. Like she was saying she could tell the age of it

when it was dark brown because of the color of the hive or the honeycomb. So the darker color meant it was older. I can't remember if she told us how old, but seeing the different colors of pollen, I had never seen anything like that before. Like there was new pollen, there was older pollen, it was just, it was fucking beautiful. Well, it's a very strange creature, if you think about it, because when you think of getting

sugar from nature, it's usually from fruits, right? And then most other carbohydrates, really all of them are from other vegetation that in a sense of carbohydrates still sugar, but it's just been a different kind of genetic make up so it would be slow release like potato is not really sugar, but it's full of carbohydrates so it's like slow release. Yet honey is fast or release. I mean, think about it, even maple syrup from trees. Yet this little bug makes really like the sweetest sugaryous thing. I mean, it just seems so different than anything else. Doesn't really make any sense. It's so good. Yeah. That's so good. I mean, I'm I will say I know you're a coffee guy even being from England You probably grew up drinking tea, right? Love it. See I

Love tea. I'm a tea guy. I mean my last name is Heath. That's English. Maybe that's why it must be from my ancestors but Teed dude fucking dude like an Earl Gray with some with some honey and a little bit of cream or milk. I mean, to me that tastes a million times better than coffee. Honestly, the only reason I drink coffee is because my wife makes it every morning. It's easy. It's there. I think I'm just lazy.

Dude, like tea was readily available. I would drink tea every fucking day. I put honey in my coffee. I don't know if anyone else does that, but I saw that once on a show. No, I'll do that too. It's good. Honey is.

That must be an English thing too. Honey is fucking delicious, dude. I mean, does everybody drinks honey with their tea in England, right? Or most people or no? No, we'd put sugar in there. People would. Yeah, because, well, if you want sugar,

not everyone does, but, but you know, there's a lot of honey consumption in England though, they usually just spread it on toast. Right. Yeah. Well, you put beans on toast, too. That's weird. I had that yesterday it was great. Show your mind. Dude, okay. So all men's almonds, let's get back to the pollination because it was fascinating to hear about the almonds being entirely dependent on bees. I fucking love almonds. I had no idea.

And then, they're shipping them across the country just to pollinate this one plant, right, the olive tree. And then, the bees, it's like not enough food for them, so then they're feeding them basically sugar water. Yep. And, or what did she say, the some sort of soy product, like artificial soy powder,

that can't be good for the bees. And you know that there's no studies to see what that's actually doing to the bees, but can't be good. I mean, she equated it to like the bees eating McDonald's every day, right? Yeah, it's going to find them up. It just seems weird. We're playing with nature here.

We're trying to be, you know, we're trying to fix a problem to get more food and it seems like it might turn around and kick us in the stinger. Well, maybe, I mean, obviously, if you run out of bees, but it's pretty cool. And a lot of people don't know about that. That they take these beehives all over at different times to basically pollinate all these different plantations and grow areas. They take it to, I guess, I don't know where they like to nuts, obviously, they take it to apple places, like they take it more

over like the same bees and they can't do it without them. Like what an interesting whole system that is. But it seems to, it would work, it seems like it would work really well as long as they're not spraying a bunch of pesticides onto the plants that we're growing, right? That seems to be the issue because isn't there like a, I mean, obviously they're endangered. So I don't know how you fix that until we quit spraying pesticides over everything. I don't know how you fix the problem of extinct bees, right? Because if we're going to continue spraying stuff, the bees are going to continue to die. Yeah, but it wasn't

like that. She also saying, even though there's been a big decline since I think the late 80s, she was saying that the populations are getting pretty stable now, like beekeepers, even though there's a lot of loss, the beekeepers are able to create a lot more hives. So we're kind of balancing that out, which I guess the me seemed hopeful, because all the only narrative I've heard is that they're all dying. No, it seemed, it definitely seemed hopeful. It was, it seemed more hopeful. And I think it, I think it's because we know the problem and we know how to implement changes in order to not fuck it up more, right? Like we're realizing, I think, you know,

society, humans are really good at fucking something up to the point where it's almost totally extinct or totally fucked and then we change, right? It's like we have to know that we're totally fucked before we make a change. Yeah, we need to kick in the ass a little bit. But as soon as we know that, you know, okay, this is a problem, then yeah, I think we can fix it. And I think it did sound hopeful that she was saying that things are stabilizing. Yeah, I think so.

That's cool. So and she's doing great work and with those massive TikTok numbers. And hopefully she listens to Joe and doesn't get a producer and stop making some dumb reality show. But as long as the message is getting out there, I mean, that's, that's really the good things as long as the message is getting out there, I mean, that's really the good things of social media, is when good messages that are useful for people to be educated and, you know, kind of get a bit of publicity behind something that ordinarily wouldn't have

a lot of press behind it. And so fair play, too. I love it. That's what I love about Rogan, baby. He's bringing in some randos from the side because he's interested in bees and I think it's great. Yeah, go bless him. So more power to the beekeepers. Thank you, Erica Thompson. All right, let's finish up. We protect our parks, fix these frickin lunatics. Of course, they did mushrooms. Dude, I mean awesome.

Yeah, and also hard to follow. Probably should have ate some hallucinogens before listening to four hours and 40 minutes of this, of this somewhat super funny, but also like what the fuck you guys are highest fuck. uh, somewhat, uh, super funny, but also like, what the fuck are high as fuck? Well, I mean, Shane Gillis said the most important thing about the protect top parks podcast. It's like, if you get to about 25 minutes in, which is about when he said it, and then he was like, if you just fast forward two hours, things change rapidly. And I went ahead and did it because obviously I'm listening to him.

So I just skipped ahead two hours. The whole vibe is different. They are off the wall. And of course, I went back to the 25 minutes and just listened to it through. But I just wanted to get a feel for like how it changed. And these guys are pushing the limits every time they come on that. I think they want to see how far they can go before people are like, all right, this show is off the rails.

Well, I think for me, I think they started, they started, they really started to feel the mushrooms as soon as that Julia Caesar comment came in about the Caesar salad and then it was like like fucking Norman was, was talking about the Caesar salad or he, he, Norman's so fucking good. Mark is so good at throwing out those one liners out of the blue like throughout the entire four hours. He's just such a classic like in the background thrown out random shit. Yeah, Jack reach. And dude, just so funny. And I feel like that to me was the tipping point of them just feeling the shrooms and I just got crazy from then on

and it was hilarious. Yeah. But I mean, dude, how about the speaking and speaking of Norman though, the fucking notes that he had, it looked like an encyclopedia Britannica, dude, of his random notes that had been in his gene pocket and the back gene pocket for,

looked like years of just random notes folded up, like looked like it'd been through a rainstorm, a fucking hurricane. He's like, Joe don't touch my notes. Give me. Yes. So funny. It kind of is like the rantings of a crazy person, right? If he wasn't a stand up comedian and just did something else for a living, but it also

carried those around with him, you just assume that he was nuts. Oh, God. That was funny. Yeah, or that. What was I had I have some good notes on this one. Do the dice clay in the streets of New York? I have not seen those, but I need to watch them. Oh, you got to follow dice on Instagram. He's probably oh my God, dude. I mean, dude, that's honestly that's so awkward. I've watched so many of them and it really he's just like brand and he walked up The someone he's like, hey, you want a picture? Like I assume you want a picture? No, like I don't even know who who what what is this? And he's like how do people not know that that's dice? I would know instantly that's that that's Andrew dice Clay He's got to get out to see ever show ones where he's like where people know who he is and they fucking give him a hug Or give him shit or does he only show people who have no fucking clue what's going on? I don't know. I mean, you know from what I've heard of dice

He likes to Troll and be ridiculous so much that he probably only shows the ones for all and be ridiculous so much that he probably only shows the ones that don't recognize them. And I'm sure a lot of people do. Totally. Right. They would have to. Yeah. He's in New York. Of course. It's got to be that. But it's so funny. Either that or he just finds people that he likes and then just has them kind of pretend that they, you know, just pretend you don't know why I'm and I ask you some questions and maybe that's fun too, but just the fact that he does it like it's almost like he's playing this like washed up character, which obviously he used to sell a Madison's quite garden. It's not I'm not saying that, you know, Dices of a legend today, but like, he couldn't sell that today.

So he's kind of playing this, you know, character a little bit. And the fact that he has fun with it is just legendary. It's so legendary. It's good. It's good to see. I didn't know he was doing that. I was stoked to see. Yeah, I was stoked to see yeah, I was stoked to see I mean the streets of New York just be in a fucking lunatic And then yeah, I mean speaking of lunatics do that kinesin bit Oh my god man

Not unreal so good never seen that one. How do you see that one before? No, I've seen lots of it stand up So I know his style, but Wow, this he come out with some energy. No wonder he did so much cocaine I mean dude he was up in the crowd. He's fucking he's doing he's asking people questions I mean that to me that was all new in the 80s wasn't it or at least that was for smaller clubs It wasn't for Letterman. I don't know. I mean look man When 50% of your act is screaming like you're dying and somehow it's hilarious. That's something magical in its own right. But yeah, Lutusick.

That bit about what did he say? I was married. What do you say? I was married for two years. I was married, what do you say? I was married for two years. I was so bored, I started worrying about my lawn. That was crazy. So I was like, you know, I'm pretty, there's a fucking weed in my lawn. I'm pretty sure he,

he told the, Joe told the story that he had heard about the comedy store where Sam Caniston had shot at Dice Clay. And there was a bullet hole in the wall of the comedy store. I don't think he meant to kill him, it wasn't like that, it was just like probably two crazy coaxed up people having an argument and then that one happened. But yeah, what a wild time in comedy. Well, he's clearly off his rocker. I mean, right? I mean, he, I don't know.

He used, he was a preacher before he was a comedian or was it after? No, it was before. He was a preacher before. Yeah. Or he's from like a line of preachers or maybe his dad was. But yeah, it was something like that.

I mean, he totally has that style. You can tell right away as soon as he's talking that there's like that element of his energy. I mean, I mean, it kind of reminds me of that HBO special that just came out what not too long ago, the the righteous jewels. Is that what it was? You know what I'm talking about with fucking with, oh, what's that guy's name who played Kenny Powers. I can't think of his real name.

He's hilarious, dude. He played Kenny Powers on the on the special Eastbound and down. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what the fuck is his name? Hold on, I'll find it, but dude, that's what it reminds me of because the righteous, it's the righteous gemstones Anyway, oh Danny with a ride dude. Yeah, dude. Why isn't Danny in the in on Joe Rogan? I mean, he is hilarious. He doesn't do stand-up though does he? No, I don't think so. He should I bet he could do a good job But I'm sure he could do a good job with it. For sure he could do a good job with it. Fucking, that guy is hilarious. Yeah, he's brilliant. You got to be wacky like that. And these, these people that are on the edge, I mean, yeah, they make great comedy. Maybe they don't make it for long, but they, you know, they burn bright. And then they're wrecked.

I wanted to ask you actually, they talked about a hangover cure. I think it was marked, it did it. And he was talking about how Adderall is a good hangover cure. Does that work? I know you take Adderall. Well, I used to take Adderall. It made me angry.

So I'm on the riddle and now, which isn't, I don't think it's as strong. Oh. Well, it's a different, it's a different one is a methylphetamine and the other one is an amphetamine. So the amphetamine is a adderol. That's where I think where the A comes from. All right. And that I didn't do well with adderol. It felt messy. I mean, it felt a little just, yeah, I don't know if meth is the right word. I've never done meth but so I don't really know but I would say it

made me angry it made me Quick to react to things like I didn't wait and really the point of it is because you know I have ADHD so the point of taking a drug like that is so I don't react In that sort of way. And I take time to actually think about my surroundings and what kind of room I'm in for, before I fucking talk too much.

So Adderall didn't work for me very well. I could see how it would help with a hangover for somebody who doesn't take it on a normal basis, like on an everyday basis. Now, I take Ritalin almost every day unless I forget. And so it wouldn't really help me with my hangover, but somebody who doesn't take it, I think it would. I absolutely think it would because it, but it fucking spikes your dopamine. It spikes your serotonin and it makes you alert. Oh, it kicks you out of it.

It'd be like, taking a bunch of caffeine, but like, you know, times 10 because it's way better than caffeine. Hmm. Okay. So yeah, that would absolutely, that would absolutely work. I would think. That makes sense at a word. Uh, you know, if songs are drinking water and I mean, it makes you sweat like a fiend

for whatever reason to do. If I take Adderall, I I'm like my pits are fucking soaked within a matter of like minutes Well, you're making your math dark bro. That's what it is. Yeah, I mean it's be the math It's just fancy doctor math at the end of the day the coked up bear That's a good beer killing everybody. It's a great movie. I'm gonna be watching that Hey, I recommend everyone watching that. How about that? What do you think about that weird ass mat Damon crypto commercial dude?

That was creepy as shit. Dude, yeah, they looked at a lot of crypto stuff. But you know, I wasn't gonna discuss it because I'm so sick of it. It's just like, they got that creepy guy on that's like, you know, lost everyone's money who looks just like a huge nerd and probably should be in jail, but they probably can't figure out how to

get him in jail yet. And yeah, but he's on his way and he's just like apologizing and trying to say again, people's money back, that's not going to happen. And then yeah, just probably everyone else that did those crypto commercials is really just took a paycheck and fucked everyone, but how would they supposed to know? Like how the fuck was Matt again and supposed to know?

You know what I mean? It was like crypto and gaming well for a while, people are making money. He's probably like, yeah, I'll take $2 million to talk about some sort of crypto. And well, the Daemon one's different though, right? Because that's actually for Crypto.com. The FTX thing is a separate... Oh, yeah, it's, but I'm sure people across the board with crypto have lost a lot of money. So...

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I got into the doge. I got into the doge. Yeah, I'll look at you. The doge coin. I think my father-in- law made like 20 grand on doge coin with like, with like a few hundred bucks kind of crazy. I think or like a couple thousand bucks. It made 20 damn. But then of course, he never cashed out. So what does that do? Well, then he lost the door. It's just gambling. It's just gambling. It's just gambling.

I don't recommend it. Do your own thing though, folks. Like, whatever you're into, would you think about when Shane said it was trying to give Joe a hard time about wearing fanny packs? And he was just like, why do you wear him up? He goes, what? Who am I keys in? And he's like, what about your front pocket? And he goes, well, that's where I keep my weed and all my fear factor money. He had a fear factor. What a lie, dude. What a lie. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, I know.

I didn't even heard him use that one. That was really good. That was, if you watch it. I feel like the shrooms. I'm telling you, the shrooms brought that. Yeah, shrooms brought it, but I'm telling you folks. Shrooms brought that. Yeah, shrooms brought up it. I'm telling you folks, if you like good comedy timing, go back and watch that bit and I wish I had wrote down the exact time where he said it, but the way Rogan's expression changes

he goes from just like chocolate along to being really serious and he lands that punch line and it is tight, my friends. I enjoyed that a lot. I tell you what, there's something about being on trums and telling a good joke. I know you and I have done this before when we were camping. Oh yeah. And I told you that story, that tennis story that I had

about my dad never coming to watch me play tennis. Oh, you are one of the funniest people I've ever with. Oh, you are. You are ridiculous. the funniest people I've ever heard. Speak on. Oh, gosh. You are ridiculous. I rushed that punch line to you. Something about timing and mushrooms, it's like, it's almost like your brain is trying to catch up

or your mouth is trying to catch up with your brain. So you don't even really realize you're waiting for a punch line, but it just tends to work. I think you can just get it man, like real comedy frequency sometimes, where it's just flowing through you. And you know, and not to mention your audience is also shrooming too. And if you catch them in like the hilarity portion of the event, I mean, you're just going to be able to take them on a journey pretty, pretty well. Oh, dude. It's a lot of fun a lot of fun

I gotta say I gotta I do have to say one thing as a as a Just as a shout out to the Pringles brand and the print. They're not a sponsor But I'm thinking about that time when we were the the specific time when we were camping and we ate quite a bit of mushrooms and we had those pringles fucking sour cream and is it sour cream and onion or what is it? It's like that is those orange pringles. What the fuck is the is the orange ones? It's sour cream and cheese or whatever. Those things on mushrooms. I mean, I think I we ate an entire bag in a matter of minutes.

Well, if it's pringles, it wouldn't be a bag. What is it? It's like a can. No, it wasn't, no, no, it wasn't pringles. It was the ruffles. It was those ruffles, those like orange ruffles. Anyway, super random fact, but wow, those things, I don't know what they put in those. Well, it helped that we didn't have any other food

So all day we were eating anything that we had and yet junk food is the way to go All right, you're not eating a salad while you're shrooming believe me you've already had no part of a salad by ins and mushrooms No, you want a juicy burger with lots of cheese and condiments no doubt No, you want a juicy burger with lots of cheese and condiments. No doubt. No doubt. Well, guys, at the end of the night, this is our first of, I think four international pods. So hopefully the sound isn't too garbage.

And we're going to keep working on how to make this a bit more streamlined. You maybe you can't even tell how much of a pin the dick this was, the setup today, but it was a nightmare. But yeah, this is what happens when you do podcasts when people have 5,000 miles away from each other. But thank you, as always.

We appreciate you. Thank you Todd, and we'll speak to you next week. Yeah, great to be here, buddy. See you next week. Yeah, great to be here buddy. See you next week. Later. Later.