Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 303 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Jon Bernthal Et al.

Episode Date: January 8, 2023

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El oleaje en las playas de la costa daurada. El silencio en una iglesia románica. La tramuntana es ilvando en el cap da creus. El bullicio de las fiestas populares. El pálpito de ciudades con carácter. Cataluña, banda sonora del viaje de tu vida. Mira el vídeo en estocasa.cataluña.com You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast. We find little nuggets treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience podcast

and pass them on to you, perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne, he'd be the worst but casual with the best one. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to the first episode in 2023 of the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

We are still reviewing. Let's go. Still reviewing. Nice to have you back in the stew stew. Feels good to be back. Mr. Thorn, that was a long trip to England, sir. Yeah, it was a long trip. I mean, kind of way the pods came out a little later.

I'll tell you what, anyone listening, I do not recommend flying right now, if you don't have to. The amount of delays and cancellations and complete screw-ups, to be fed Delta, had to cancel a flight from Heathrow, but really did a good job getting us a new one in a good hotel and really took care of us, gave us some credits.

And maybe they'd do that well in England, not here. Well, I mean, Delta's the US company, so they did it well. I wasn't expecting that. Most of the time when things go wrong, when you're flying, they don't do shit for you. And you got no one to complain to, and it's like, good luck. Don't fly again then if you don't want to.

All been there. Yeah. American Airlines does that a bit. It does my head in. Right on. I don't care for them too much. I don't use them much, I'm a Delta guy. But, uh, but it is, it's gonna be back,

back in the good old US of A, it's warmed up a little bit in Montana, which is nice, thank you. Yeah, what is there for Rogan News? Oh, I will tell you, so Delta had podcasts on their entertainment system, and it was Spotify podcast. So I thought, well, obviously Rogan's on there. He's the most listened to thing on Spotify.

I'm pretty sure including the artists because the most downloaded artist on Spotify, I believe his Taylor Swift with like 80 million downloads a month. I'm pretty sure Rogan's podcasts get more than that. They're getting 12 million in episode. And he does three a week. That's 12 times 12. I mean, that's 140 million downloads right there. But guess what?

In the podcast that you could select, it had probably 40 or 50. Rogan was on there. Mm. And it had others that had explicit content. What? They have movies that are rated. It's not like they could say, well, he's a bit too controversial,

has cuss words or whatever. No way. He was not on the Delta Airlines Entertainment System under Spotify podcast. Hmm. I'm going to look that up because that's annoying. You got to wonder. You got to wonder. Like that's kind of bullshit, especially because it's like the biggest thing on Spotify.

Like how did he not fall on that list? There was, I would say probably 60% of the podcasts on that list are smaller than this one. And with the show that reviews Rogan. So how the fuck does that make any sense? Weird. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe because the owner is a Delta just or don't want to have that controversy or that doesn't make sense. Of course, it's something like that. They're just being pushy. So Delta, stop being pushy, but also thank you. Thanks for the hotel. Thanks for the hotel. Thanks for the hotel.

Well, it's nice to have you back. We got a pretty clean studio here, back in Montana. It's nice. It's nice and snowy out there. Let's get into it. Why don't we start with a bit of a depressing one, but I think it's important. Yeah, so this one is from a couple of a depressing one, but I think it's important. I think so. This one is from a couple of weeks ago, but because we basically kind of messed over Christmas,

it felt like an important one. And for more reasons than one, the issue is obviously a big deal. And we're talking about the Sid Hath Cara episode, which is like Joe said many, many times, probably the heaviest podcast that he's done. But why it's important is because often Joe will do a podcast that he learns something from that really moves him, that's shocking. And unlike other shows, like if you look at that,

David Letterman interview show that he does, which is really quite good. And it's an interesting show. It is good. It's not like the next week on that show, he comes back and says, hey, last week when I was interviewing this guy, I just learned all these different things. It's like each interview is specific to who the person is that's in front of him.

And I think what gets lost then is like, you're learning something important. You've just discussed it. And now what, we never, we pretend like it didn't happen and we're just on to the next guy Rogan doesn't do that and I love that about his show He's like he brought up the coal vault mining and how awful it was to basically every guest for the next three podcasts Yeah, I love that and it's good because it like reminds everyone again listening Oh, yeah, this is a big fucking deal and we shouldn't pretend it's not happening Also, where the fuck do we start?

We're all guilty. We're all guilty. I still want to know if Sid Harth has a phone. I would have asked him that. If I was a Rogan. He's got to have a flip phone. I mean, good for him for doing shit though. It's, I get it.

He is trying way harder than any of us to expose these people. It's amazing what he's done. It's amazing. He hasn't been killed. Yeah, that's the big one for me. How has he managed to not be just wiped out? He said he was getting notes from people and he's had some insiders, right? That's how he got in there because people know how horrible the conditions are that they felt that it obviously that needed to get out to the people so they snuck them in somehow

and then he had what some guy that was like a government official there wrote a note and he said that one time he would have for sure been killed when those when those rebels are I don't know what they call them congas would not congas that's not right but the the people who are guarding these places obviously with guns and fucking yeah you know making sure that people like Sidharth don't get in there to expose the horrible conditions. Right. They chased him down.

Remember, and he said he was like, thought he was gonna die, and then he pulled out those government papers that said he was so-and-so, and I can't remember what the paper said or what it, what it explained basically, you know, yeah, that's someone higher up in the government is allowing him to do that. Again, I don't know how he got those papers. I can't remember if he explained that or not. Well, in a lot of ways, I would recommend

that he doesn't go back there. I mean, they're gonna after this level of exposure. I mean, they're gonna know who he is. That's the cell phone back to that country. they're gonna after this level of exposure, I mean, they're gonna know who he is. That's the only way he goes back to that country. They're gonna know what he's up to. And this is big money, big money. And they're not worried about burying him in one of these minds, for sure. I would like to see, they brought up Apple, obviously a few times, Tim Cook's the CEO now, right?

Yeah. Does name come on, dude. Where's his public statement, right? Yeah. Does name. Come on, dude. Where's his public statement after this? Is he still going to claim that they're doing everything right? And by the books, and it's the cobalt that they're getting is not from these types of minds. It's such bullsh**. But they already have basically like sweatshops in China.

Well, that's what I'm, but yeah, true. So China is no different. It's like the only thing they do that's fucked up. Right, but how did you do a bunch of it? How fucked was that movie though? When you see these people like clawing at each other and using fucking little pickaxes to mind this stuff, I mean, they were trampling over each other.

It was like, it looked like a bunch of cows in a fucking meat factory. Yeah, and it's just in their hands too. It's unreal. I don't know how toxic or poisonous cold-bored is, but it's just in their hands too. It's unreal. I don't know how toxic or poison this coldballed is, but it's a metal, right? Oh yeah. And it's getting your head in.

And you're breathing that shit in all day. Yeah. And there's no, the fucked up thing that I was, you know, that you hear about, and you don't think about it until somebody like Sidharth brings it up. But the amount of pollution obviously is real, and the amount of shit that's going into water,

but what scared me the most is there's nothing else for these people to do. They are so forced into this just to make a fucking dollar a day just so they can survive. There's nothing else there. Where are they gonna go? Take a fucking bus somewhere else. Wait, with their family, how are they gonna afford it?

They can't leave. So they are slaves without shackles. Yeah. They're enslaved to the area. They can't leave. It's like an invisible shackle. Right. And the worst part is if they did close those mines, yeah, over time, maybe they could get

back to doing their own farming or they could create a new system. But for right now, that's the only job there. And if you took it away, everyone runs out of money and starts to starve. How do you get back to it? For me, how do you say there was like no electricity there as well. So they're like mining the one resource that gives us all

in the world, all this portable power that's amazing. And they don't even have lights in their house. It's crazy, man. It is it's something I had never thought about. Look man I'm all for stuff being accessible and cheap, right? That's a big part of what makes the world great because or you know at least in the West think about it 10 15 years ago when flat screen TV started to come out and 15 years ago when flat screen TV started to come out and people would have like a 50 inch of their house And they paid like two thousand dollars for it or whatever a lot of times you see those and go wow what a rich Person mm-hmm everyone can get them now. They sell 50 inches for like two hundred and fifty bucks Yeah, but look at the costs though of that right child labor and shit. I get it right there's issues The come with it all, right?

But is that necessary? Also, some of this is just that we, the technology got better, and we made components for cheaper, and maybe they're smaller, and they're more accessible, and now there's more infrastructure specialized in making all the different parts X, Y, and Z that we bring together. en hacer todos los diferentes partes ex-Y&Z que nos vamos a hacer. de tu vida. Mira el vídeo en esto casa.cataluña.com. It's like I don't know if things eventually getting cheaper over time and better always has to be because there was slavery involved Yeah, or because there was something like I think what they're doing is we're just cutting corners in too many areas And that this is one way we just shouldn't do it as an entire species We could we could take a step back and be like, hey guys, it's going to take two more years for you to get your flat screen TVs for a 200 bucks, but we'll get there.

And also no slaves were involved. Well, that brings up a point about longevity too. I've had the same TV. You've bitched about my TV how it's not smart enough. The search function look drives me insane if my phone didn't get fucked up with the software I'd probably still have a 12 year old iPhone or run it whatever eight years old I know you mean right and then the software gets screwed up and you know they're doing that stuff on purpose. I don't I Do do not believe that these old phones shouldn't work anymore.

There's no reason why these old phones shouldn't work anymore. They might not be as fast, right? But why do we keep needing to buy new stuff? And Joe talks about this a lot. We always need the newest shit. No, we don't. Especially because, think of even like the iPhone 4. That came out in like 2010.

It was a big deal. It was the one with the antenna around the side and that kind of fucked it up while holding it so they had to give you a case. But it looked cool. It was like a big jump forward. And I remember I got that one. I think the only iPhone I ever owned

and we even switched over to AT&T to get it. It was like, because I'm getting pulled in like everyone else that is like, you gotta have it, thing. And I wanted to play and see what it was about. That's not that long ago. And it had a good camera, at least good enough for me. Like you did a lot of things really quickly. It just seemed to work great.

Now you can have TVs from 10 years ago. That's what I'm saying. That are flat screens that work perfectly fine today. How is it that like to even think of an iPhone 4, if you saw someone with an iPhone 4, you'd be like, are you a prehistoric dinosaur? It's funny, but it's not funny, yeah. It's like they cleverly put that in the whole system.

Right. It's like they built it in there. They're like, how do we make this thing that is amazing also instantly useless're like, how do we make this thing that is amazing? Also instantly useless in like, sorry, four years. That's part of the problem. Genius.

That's part of the problem though. Let's talk about that instead of just the cobalt mining which is horrendous. But it's almost like, it's almost like when a government wants you to think a certain way and so you're fighting about the wrong thing, I'm not saying cobalt's the wrong thing, but also to think about the longevity of these phones.

That's the thing, the profits that they are making off of making new phones every fucking year and everyone's getting the updates and everyone's getting the new phones. Phones should be like televisions, you should have a phone for 10 years. I know I wouldn't give a fuck. I would keep this phone for 10 years if it still worked. They don't want us to have anything for 10 years. That's what I'm saying.

They don't want cars for 10 years anymore. All these smart cars fucking break down now. And you're like, oh, the computer fucking goes, like why does my car have a computer? So you can tell me what's wrong with it. And I have no idea how to fix it. Because you need the internet in your phone. So I think that that is part of the problem too, not to go off, not to steer clear of the

cobalt issue. I don't know how to fix that either other than people from the top down doing something about it. But this attitude that you're saying is not a new attitude. Right. that attitude that you're saying is not a new attitude. It's the reason my grandfather had the same TV that he had before I was born, even up to when he passed away. Good for him.

And he died, I think, when I was like 20, maybe I was 30, so it was about 12 years ago. So he had a TV for over 30 years. Now I would always look at it and be like, Grand, why don't you just get a new TV? That's what, and he's like, it works fine. Yeah. And he did that with a lot of the stuff in his place.

Yeah. And it does because it gets to a point where he wasn't worried about how cool I thought he was in terms of having new shit. He's over it. It doesn't matter. It works fine. I don't even think it does what he needs.

I don't even think it, it's about being cool, is it? I mean, is that what people are worried about if they don't have the new iPhone? I think also people like gadgets, but there is an element of like being the first adopter. Like, I have it, this is the newest thing. Let's see if it changes my life. Yeah, I don't get that part.

The part that pisses me off is that I know that my last phone I would still have, but the software just ended up fucking screwing up and it wouldn't go on the internet, it was slow. You know that there was some sort of bug that they created and yes, I am a conspiracy theorist, but why did that phone stop working? Well, there was nothing wrong with it. I never jumped in a fucking pool with it. This is what I've heard. There's actually something in the OS software, and I was reading about this the other day, that collects like cache files and like temporary folders.

And it doesn't delete them. So what you have to do is wipe the phone when the memory is completely full, and then you back it up again from the cloud, which you can do. But all of a sudden you have like 20% more space and then things start working. And it's because it just keeps filling up. Now eventually it just, you know, you'll probably just put too much crap on it. To where it fills up, that's a bit of an issue too. But at the end of the day, they could fix that. It doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. No one's really noticed it. And it also does work towards everyone needing new phones all the time, which is what you do exactly because you don't have to do that with

Android so much like I've been able to keep my Android phones for a good amount of time I usually only end up updating because I break it or I live or you jump in the fucking pool or you Something happens to much and pee on it with that Can happen that was that was that was 10 years ago. Yeah I can pull or you drink too much and pee on it with that can happen. That was that was that was 10 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Two bucks a day, man. And now there's no fishing community. There's no farming community. Yeah. You know, they're stuck there. It's so fucked. So these poor people,

who is the owns the land? It's Chinese company. It's saying it said that there was Chinese 19 major industrial cobalt complexes all run by Chinese corporations. Jesus. American and you kept saying American companies need to decide what's the threshold because That's they wouldn't be digging all this fucking cobalt up if we weren't buying all these phones of course Well, if we weren't just buying the raw material, right? To put in the battery. If the Chinese also making the battery and then we buy that, they wouldn't talk about that, but we're not making the batteries here.

I didn't know. No way we're making them here. No, we don't have that. We don't have that here. So yeah, making them in China. All right, let's say this, Bob, let's say you don't give a fuck. You're listening to this, you don't have that here. So yeah, make it in China. All right, let's say this both let's say you don't give a fuck you're listening to this you don't really care You're like this is just a price of business. It's how it goes. Okay, you live your life as normal you keep buying stuff What if you listen to this and you're upset and this is who your feelings like how do we change it?

How do we go about it? How does an individual do anything useful once you have this knowledge? Well, I think there there has to be a Demand to find a cleaner source. I mean they talked about Tesla Having some of their cars don't use Cobalt. I don't know what they're using instead in in replace of it Probably other there's other metals you could use. I don't know the difference between that. I know nothing about these these metals, but there has to be something.

I mean, we always it's like gas. You know, there's better alternatives, but it's it's we have a plethora of it. And we're already the system has already begun. There's already the minds. So we're not going to change it until we either stop pulling coal ball out of the ground or somebody fucking speaks up about it. I don't know how we do that with these Chinese corporations that don't give a fuck about using human labor anyway. Yeah. And now somehow they're going into other countries and doing

the same fucking thing and probably even worse, it looks like, I mean, these people are in pits in the ground with no any form of fucking environmental safety or human safety, even any concern for it. It's fucking nuts. I guess the thing is just, it's about getting the word out there. Yeah, because I'm sure that- I'm sure there's a lot of Chinese people, citizens that if they knew more about this,

we'd be like, we don't like this either. Good luck. Their social credit score. They start talking shit about anything. They're going to get who knows what thrown in jail. Yeah. They get all that coal bolt taken away, and they can't charge anything. Dude, this was a heavy one. When when Rogan talked about it and brought it up multiple times, I mean, just to think about the level of harsh conditions. And it's easy for us to be like, we have our own lives, we're doing our thing, like that's a different place. But just imagine for one fucking day, right, if they could make those Oculus headsets

so good. But for one day, you're a labor in a mine, a cobalt mine. And not just thinking, oh, this is a fun game, I just have to play it for one day. But also, they implant the feeling that you're gonna be doing this every day until your body doesn't work. It's hell on earth. It's hell on earth.

That's straight up hell on earth. You're in a pit getting trampled by millions of, I mean, I don't know how many, not millions, but it looked like tens of thousands of people. They said they were like 15,000 in the one-on-one. It was a 15,000, what? We're just clanging away and. And you're making a dollar a day.

I mean, I can't think of a worse living hell. Well, the money, unless actually for them is quite high for that area. To be positive. It doesn't matter. I don't know if the dollar is, but I read some other article that was like, some people can make as much as $200 a week,

which is a lot of money for the area. That is a cost though. But exactly, I'm not justifying. I'm just saying that like no wonder they all go to the mines instead of growing, you know, whatever they grow there, corn. Well, they're saying they don't even have that anymore. The water pollution is so bad. Everything is massively contaminated.

Now, they couldn't even fucking go back to doing that. Yeah. It's not the infrastructure's not even there anymore. Like, everything has gone toward the mining. Jesus Christ. So, yeah, I don't know, man. There needs to be that bottom line that they kept talking about, and then it has to include labor laws and pollution and environmental laws.

I don't know how you do that in the fucking Congo, or Congo, excuse me. But letting people know that it's us talking about it, Rogan talking about it, other people talking about it, keeping educated, you know, one day a phone will come out, right, or maybe even Apple will run a commercial and be like, hey, we're releasing the first cobalt free Apple phone. Then we're like, hey, we're releasing the first cobalt free Apple phone,

then we're like, how yeah, working in the right direction. They said half a Tesla is don't use cobalt. So whatever they're doing, why isn't Apple doing that? That to me, that's where we need to speak up as a, not just a humanitarian wide crisis that's happening, but like we, now that we know that this is happening and we've been exposed to this We need to go I think to the top level people at these companies that are saying that what they're doing is fair and safe and Okay, well, there's zero there's zero chance the Rogan's not gonna bring this up the next time he talks to Elon

And it's been a while since he's talked to Elon. Also, Elon's stock just in Tesla just crashed through the floor, not necessarily a big deal, because he still owns the same amount of stock. It's still a very profitable company that makes good products. So maybe it'll level out and the stocks go back up, but that's the kind of move that Elon would do. He would be like, all right, we're kind of in the pits here.

He's jump on Rogan, get a bunch of free advertising, say a bunch of cool shits about to come out. The stock goes through the roof, but you know Rogan's gonna bring this shit up. Fuck yeah, he's gonna be like, what the hell's going on with this dude? Yeah, so yeah, but talk to Tim Cook, to get him on the pod.

Hasn't he tried or he's talked about it? I don't know. Maybe he should do that. Let's get Tim Cook on Rogan, baby Tim Cook to get him on the pod. Hasn't he tried or he's talked about it? I don't know. Maybe he should do that. Let's get Tim Cook on Rogan, baby. He should get him on. See what Mr. Apple has to say. All right, let's jump over to...

I don't think Steve Jobs would like this. Not the Steve Jobs that used to take LSD. He wouldn't like what's happening. No, I don't think so. But he also liked profits, maybe he would. Let's go over to John Bunthal! Johnny Burthal. ¿Qué es el legendario?

He... ...de hecho, me gusta él en la chica. de escultura de Picasso se distingue por innovar en el uso de técnicas y materiales pocortodoxos. ¿Puedes imaginar cuáles y cómo? Descobrela. Those first few seasons were good. I didn't really watch him maybe after like season three. Same, I think Joe talked about that too. He talked about a lot of it. He fell off, yeah. And it did. It did, but this guy is really good in that.

He's, he's just been awesome in a lot of movies because he just has that like toughness about him. But when you hear him speak on Rogan, you can tell that he's a very, and I mean, he went to like an acting, performing arts school in Russia. I mean, he obviously has like a creative gentle side, you know, he's not just this meathead,

but he just knows how to do it. It sounded to me like he just got in so much trouble when he was younger, he was fucking off and probably drinking too much and have an anger management problems, which actually caught up to him in his later life as well. We'll get there, but it sounded like one of his teachers that he respected a lot told him about this school, right?

Isn't that how it happened? That's it. Pretty much. And he was fucking off in high school and not doing well. And I mean, he didn't really get into what he was doing, but off in high school and not you know not doing well and I mean He didn't really get into what he was doing But he made it sound like it was bad like he was either gonna end up in prison or something needed to change quickly Yeah, and so I bet you his parents probably threw down a little bit to and gave him an ultimatum as my guess

He didn't talk about it, but no doubt because his parent I think is you know, he's he's from a well-off family I Because his parent, I think, is, you know, he's from a well-off family. I mean, I think his dad's like a lawyer and I looked into it because I know his cousin, Bernie, lives here in Boseman. That's right. Yeah, Bernie. And so, been Bernie's a friend of mine and I was like, oh, fuck, I didn't even know they were cousins. So then I got into some backlogging on Bernthal on John and was just curious. Like, what did he get, what did he get into when he was younger? Like, did he get arrested? What happened?

He didn't talk about it. But to move, it just seemed like a very abrupt thing. Like, even if someone tells you, like if I told you today, Hey, bro, they got this podcast school in Russia, you should go. You're gonna fucking get them playing and go move to Russia. I mean, obviously not now. But I know what you mean. But this is back, what in the 90s, you know? It just, I mean, obviously not now, but I know you mean, but this is back what in the 90s, you know,

It just I mean, it's crazy, but I didn't realize they had such an immense You know love for for movies and acting in Russia. It sounded like it was like a well-renowned Thing and look they take very seriously just like sports and everything else, but think about the arts there Yeah, I mean there's incredible Russian operas. I mean, and that's plays and performances. You know, they're a very stern, disciplined place. Yeah. And that's just it, right?

They're just a disciplined culture. They take everything very seriously. I wanted to go back though, because look at a lot of the roles that he plays, very angry person, and to be able to get into that space, I mean, he had to have been through some things. Well, and he's so full of empathy now. He talks about, oh man, what a nice guy. It seems like he's such a caring individual.

I mean, the people that he's getting on his podcast,, the real ones, that's what it's called, right? Is it real ones or the real ones? Let me look it up, keep talking. Anyway, the people that he's getting on, what he was talking about, the one that surprised me was that there was that group of African American or black cops that, it's just real ones. That were called, these cops in Baltimore, it's just real ones that were called These cops in Baltimore the silverbacks that he had on I want to listen to that one because It was it just was so interesting to me to have you know to have those sorts of people on his podcast

That really have nothing to do with acting. I mean the people that he's getting on he's it's just social justice stuff which I mean, to me, he just cares so much about other people and the injustices happening. It's what it seemed like after the listening to him for three hours, you know, he's just he's sick of the bullshit. You know, he's sick of, it's funny because he's sick of all the shit that happens with actors and all the fake shit. He's like, I don't want actors on my podcast. You know, I don't want any of that fake shit.

Right. He wants to talk about real stuff and that, hell yeah. Yeah. Way to go, John. I mean, it's highly, his podcast is highly rated. 4.9 stars. It's like top 100 United States Apple podcast. I mean, it's a big show.

Well, he kept talking about it's the people that he has on the show. That's the importance of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's talk about one of them that was a big story. It was freaking shy LaBouffe. Mm-hmm. Now, they were in a movie together.

It's a buff for LaBouffe. It's LaBouffe. Whatever. Bless him. LaBouffe. Look, man, I wasn't... I didn't dislike this guy before... Shaya.

He had these allegations. Now that's a little bit different. That's fucked up. You know, I mean, people get angry, but there's just lines you don't cross. There's lines. And he was also, I mean, I'm not condoning what he did, but he also got his ass kicked by his father all the time.

I mean, did you watch that movie, honey? That's right. Is it honey boo? Honey boo? He's from a, yeah, he's experienced a ton of abuse. Okay. But there's often reasons, right? There's almost always a reason why somebody also becomes

a violent, aggressive, abusive, but creatively before this, I mean, look man, he started off as far as I remember, I mean, when he really made it big, it was like Transformers movies. That was his first time. And that's kind of the type of movie that once you get into, you become that type, you get a bit type cast,

and then you're only doing these big blockbusters. He's done a lot of cool different creative things I've heard the one that was about his family growing up that you were Honey boy, I said honey boy is supposed to be an excellent movie. It's an amazing movie and then he has some wild YouTube videos that one where he's like just do it You can do it like it's nuts, right? What's wrong with that? He's just saying you do it. You can do it like it's nuts, right wait. What's one was that he's just saying do it. You can do it It's like super motivational. There's like 50 million hits on it. There's oh yeah Yeah, with it wasn't fucking who else was on that podcast wasn't there like it wasn't wasn't a podcast

Just a little video. Oh really because he was I thought he was on something with like with Fuck I'm John blanks here Famous actor god God, not Pacino, De Niro. He was sitting down with like De Niro and a couple other people. Jamie Foxx. They was like a round table they did with A-Listas. Well, they told me about their philosophies for life. I think Tom Hanks was there too.

Yeah, that was good. That was a big deal. You're talking about something different though. Well, I'm just talking about a YouTube video That's shy of put out your shy. Got you. And he's just in front of a green screen going you can do it anything you want You can do it. You can imagine it's like crazy and take but it's silly as well Yeah, but so many people have watched it and he just creates this kind of energy. There's another video where they have It's basically like a play with like a whole orchestra and they're singing this song about

Shiloboth and who like lives in the woods and he like hunts people and it's really artsy. It's very strange. Again, like 85 million views And it's just something I think he produced with some friends. So my point is he's a very interesting character that's like a lot Hollywood, but also very creative in a different way. And super intense with his roles. He's played some like crazy intense roles, which I think probably led into some of this behavior. It's a real shame. But again, for John to come forward and be like, crazy intense roles, which I think probably led into some of this behavior.

It's a real shame. But again, for John to come forward and be like, look, I couldn't talk to him for a few years, but also he was my friend. And what do you do? Do you back away from a friend? Or do you lean in and say, Hey, you fucked up. Obviously, let's make sure you don't do this again. Is there anything to salvage? The real question though is, is he canceled forever?

Is this one of those things? I mean, the case is until April, so there's going to be a lot of publicity on him then. And shit doesn't look good. But, yeah, I mean, did you come back from that? Did you? I would hope so. And what I got out of after listening to that I didn't know these allegations about shy I typically don't follow stuff like that unless I hear it on broken

I Didn't know about those allegations and that sucks, but I I do appreciate that John got let got him on and he gave the reason Why he was like he needs it be able to tell a story that's the point of this podcast and he worked with the guy He was in that movie with him. Fury. Yeah, but no, no, no, he was shy. And no, no, no, it was peanut butter falcon. Oh, did you watch that one?

It's great. It's about this kid with Down syndrome and then Dakota Johnson is in there and they fall in love and have a relationship. Shy is the main character. I can't remember what John Bernthal did in that film, but he was in the film. Okay. Anyway, that's how they already had that relationship. And like you said, then they didn't talk for a while.

He got him back on, but what John was saying afterwards is, look, I used to have an anger problem as well. He fucking knocked that guy out. He talks about how he knocked that dude out. Yeah, who was fucking with his dog. Yeah. And that changed his life. It almost killed him.

He was like going to have involuntary manslaughter charges on him. Got out of it. He said that completely changed his life. Then he got married, you know, ended up being a husband and a good father and, you know, started controlling some of those anger problems. He said, why aren't we talking about that? There's plenty of people Men obviously who have anger issues. I know I have a fucking temper and I need to chill out about it Chill out, bro

You know I typically just go into the other room and start punching pillows and throwing shit Away from my family so they don't see it or hear it But I still have to get that anger out. Now, would I ever hit my child or my wife? Hell no. Of course not. But accidents can be changed, a person can change. I believe that people can change. And so that's all I'm saying. And I think John sees that in Shia. And again, I'm not condoning what he fucking did. But if we're not talking about how these men with these issues can't change, then what are we talking about?

And the problem's gonna keep happening. If we don't talk about the problem, and talk about it openly with people, that's the problem with cancel culture. If you just cancel someone, then it just goes under the fucking rug and it keeps happening, right? Well, people need to pay some kind of a price, right? Of course. They fucked up. Absolutely. But his what's missing, and this isn't, this

is what isn't congruent with cancel culture is like we also champion and celebrate like gang members that have been rehabilitated. You know, people that used to have a really bad way of living, but then they did that or even drug abusers that have done rehab. Someone who killed somebody. And now they're helping the community. And we will often bring them on different podcasts and we'll listen to them and be like, look at this guy, really turn his life around. Well, isn't that the same thing?

Or drug ease, yeah. Yeah, isn't it the same thing that we demonize them forever? No, that's not useful. Was it a mistake? Especially if they change and they've done better and done their time. So in the in the cancel world, is there room for this? Now, I don't think there is with like, you know, Weinstein and FoxB, like, yeah, there's there's levels to the behavior that's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is too much. And especially when it's criminal, right? Which it might be with Shire.

This might turn out to be criminal as well. We don't know what happened. You know, allegedly, but exactly. Does it get to a point where he works on it, makes a movie about it, talks about this process and how he changed and really educates others, and then it's like, ah, there we go. We don't have to just see this person as always that thing. Totally. We can get back to their more creative arts.

I mean, look, Louis kind of did it. He didn't do anything illegal. He was joking off. Everyone knows it was weird. He went away for a while. He also apologized for it. And then addressed it even in a stand-up special, which was probably humiliating. And now he manned up to it. And now he can tour again. I mean, so there is a price to pay. Right. And there it is. Well were well look could be an avenue back at the end of the day I think it was good that he had him on and I hope that he doesn't have more actors on Or actresses because

That's not the point of the show Yeah, you know the point of the show he like he kept saying was to talk to real people that you know He's very concerned about social justice and real people that he's very concerned about social justice and making sure that there's some fairness in the world. It seemed to me. Yeah, I like that. You know? I mean, when he was talking about that detective that came on and just the types of stories

that they get into, I mean, it's kind of beautiful that he knows the people that he does and he's so specific about What guess and what conversations he has on Personally, I would like to hear some of them and I like the way that he spoke and I'm sure they're very interesting But it sounds too heavy to me. I often think about that when I listen to Lex Rebans. I like Lex and he's loosening up and having some fun. You know, I think he's had Tim Dillon on before and he's done some silly podcast. However, a lot of them are pretty heavy and kind of more intense. It just makes it easy with the Rogen, I think, because some are like very heady and you got to think a lot and maybe take some notes with Rhonda Patrick, but some others are just so easy.

I think you just float through it. It's just nice. We have so many good fucking podcasts. Right. There's a lot. There's a lot to sift through, man. I mean, right now, the only other one I'm listening to other than Joe, then I, I just started getting back into it as, is Huberman lab.

You know? Yeah, Huberman is good. I fucking love him. He's so good. But I, I, I will, I wanna, I wanna listen to a couple of Johns. I, I should have done that. We, we both probably should have done that before coming on today, but I, it's just good to know that they're out there.

And the people that he's talking to are, are people that probably wouldn't have a voice at all. No doubt. Which, that's what's fucking sweet about it. Yeah. Es tan bueno que se están ahí y las personas que están hablando o las personas que no probablemente no tienen un sueño. No, no. ¿cómo es posible? Vamos, que tú vas a trabajar no estás llendo, ¿no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh? ¿A dónde? Llega al mejor momento del año, llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo terías de recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo sierres mayor de edad. Bone thugs and harmony. Get your bones. You were saying now that every but not that he gave away the location of the East River,

people already searching. Yeah, the last few days are there. That was an article yesterday when I was flying this. So, you know, we're doing this podcast a little bit later in the week than usual, but it kind of worked out because John Reese is the mining guy. Is it a Reeves or a re sorry? Reeves? I thought it was Reeves.

Maybe it's not. Dude, sorry, my bad. Museless at this sometimes. Looking at my own notes. Bonyard Alaska, Mr. John Reeves, our EVS. Reeves, you are. I had never heard of this guy before this podcast, did you? No, I guess, I guess Rogan just started to like

see some clips of this person and saw that happening, you know, on their land. Right. And it was really into it. I mean, I don't know, I hadn't heard of it either. But what an incredible story. You've got five acres of land,

you're finding more ice age, extinct, animal bones than anywhere else kind of in the world. There were a ton of money for some reason he doesn't sell them, but it sounds like he's super rich from all the pipeline deals from back in the day. So he doesn't seem to give a fuck. Well, and in the waste management, yeah, he makes a lot of money doing that. No doubt. Yeah. This guy's a bull. So yeah, we need to watch this film, dude. Bonyard Alaska.

I want to watch bowl. So yeah, we need to watch this film do bone yard Alaska. I want to watch that but yeah, so he gave away the location that he how did he hear about this again? He was saying it was something about one of his buddies like it was it was like a 20 year thing, right? Right. He didn't really explain it till the towards the end of the podcast, but he was saying that Because he had found X Y and Z, because some of these bones had been found, they were putting a stop on doing anything about it, and they had to, I wanna say, I don't know who the regulators were in the government,

but they were putting, like they were ceasing all, everything that he was doing. And because of that, it was like a 20-year process where he couldn't touch this certain land anymore. And something was dug up and then he knew the location of where they put everything. And he didn't go into a ton of explanation about it. But he said this happened over, you know, the last, like 20 years ago, they found out

that he had dug up bones and then they wouldn't let him touch it is that what it was to i know you're making me want to look it up again because they talk about very briefly at the end of how those bones got there yeah i thought it was just that the museum had the more and they couldn't store them anywhere it was just taking up too much oh my mix and my mix and up what happened in Alaska with, oh, because New York, and they were bones

that were owned by the National History Museum or something like that. And this was like in between the mid-twenties, 1920 and like 1940. Okay, I was mixing up a shit that happened in Alaska with the New York stuff. Yeah, so in Alaska, he's basically allowed to own anything that's found on his land, but if it was Canada, they can come in and confiscate the whole thing.

Well, or if it's on any federal land. Right. But because he owns all this land in Alaska, he's able to do whatever. But remember, he was saying he doesn't want to tell anyone if he finds anything anymore because then again, they'll cease. They won't let us dig anymore. They closed that one guy's soul. So that's why I was getting confused about

is that in Alaska, if he were to, even if it was on his own property, if he were to let people know that he dug up, you know, let's say there's a whole, you know, fossilized fucking wooly mammoth, know that he dug up, you know, let's say there's a whole, you know, fossilized fucking wooly mammoth, if that gets dug up, no more fucking goal mining's happening, no more mining at all is happening.

Right. And that could be for, that could take fucking five years for them to, you know, to get paleontologists up there and to dig it, you know, carefully excavate the fucking thing. Yeah. So it's a weird situation really, because it's like, you can tell he wants to like be a steward to that,

but he's also a cold manner, dude. Yeah, he also probably hates the government. That's why he moved up to Alaska. And he's like, get out of my land. Well, yeah, he was saying he still wants it to be a territory. He's just like, dude, can you believe that they, they've eaten by, I mean, mammoth? Oh, theammoth the woolly mammoth that story was a little fucked up that doesn't sound real I felt like there was some bullshit going on he was having a little fun with Rogan. Yeah, it's like okay

So it's frozen right it's permafrost how the fuck you wouldn't be able to eat it But it's it's like it still is doing something in the ice It's there's still some decomposing going on. I'm pretty sure. I mean, it can't just be, because when they dig up a mummy, they don't, you know, they're old, like, someone's frozen in ice. Yeah. They went like a hiker and fucking the North Pole.

And it's, it's a hundred years ago, whatever. They don't look exactly the same. They don't come out looking the same There's shriveled up some old piece of shit beef jerky. There's no way you'd be able to chew it Dude, it's like shoe leather like he said he goes, oh, it's kind of like shoe leather. I think it's like a right of Passage polishes story. I just I don't believe it sure. I don't know said he was pouring whiskey on it But I feel like he started saying like they were marinating it, but imagine eating an extinct creature though Said he was pouring whiskey on it. Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss what you didn't answer. No. There's got to be some in there, don't you think? If there's that many bones in that one area, I mean, it's almost like a huge glacier.

Because huge glaciers would be up there hunting with these animals. They'd want to eat them, right? Yeah, I mean, well, he said he found those, what was it, the fragments of, was it fragments of arrows? Or what was it that he found? There was that, then he talked about having a blue bird, like a bird wing they found.

But there was a feather. A feather, okay. And they was saying, we don't know how this could be up here. There shouldn't be any blue birds. Right, but then they did, so didn't they, didn't you say they did some carbon dating on something else and they found out, or it was a rock.

They found some rocks that were maybe used as tools and then it was, they found out that these rocks are only in Eastern Europe. Which makes sense because you have the barring straight and then there used to be the land bridge there. And Beringia, it's the area they call it and that was obviously how they got over there. I just don't think that paleontologists they got over there. I just don't think, I just don't think that paleontologists or archaeologists are saying they don't believe that it was that early that that happened. Is that the confusion there? I think so. Yeah, it doesn't go back that far. But he was

all about the younger driest theory. But it seems to make sense that it was around that time and all these things got wiped out. Yeah, dude. Why would they all that on that tiny bit of land? Well, I think they're all over there. We just haven't dug. I don't think it's just this fact that it's just on this tiny bit of land.

It's they haven't dug anywhere else. But they have, he has a bunch of land around there, and he said that they're not finding things to like this amount to that amount around yeah Well, I don't know man. Maybe the fucking I don't know the good the whatever flooded just ended up all in that one spot I don't know. Maybe there's a huge fucking hole pit in the ground there that they didn't know about it It might be for something that's now covered up or rivers converges there, or maybe a huge lake was there that made it. Well, think about it if there was a fucking

huge mountain or a cliff or something that they didn't know about, I don't know. They didn't go into detail about why anything could be there. He doesn't fucking know. That's sure he doesn't know. Yeah, no one can figure it out, but wild. I'm gonna go with my cliff theory, dude. I like it.

It's pretty good theory. Why do you think that he's not selling these bonds? Why doesn't he just have like a giant auction house? If they were like 400 grand for two and he has tens of thousands, why would he say tens of thousands? Dude, I think he has fucking so many they can't even count them. What the fuck? Over a thousand let's say.

But that's so much money. Why would you not be selling you know these bones all over the world? I don't know. I mean, he seems like he's not he's not worried about money. So that could be one reason and he doesn't maybe have the time to deal with it. I don't know. He said his his his daughter is making joy making those the cool jewelry out of it, but that's a lot different than selling the actual bones yeah what did he say it was like $675,000 for like one husk or something? yeah nuts like I think a pat of them could sell for like 400 grand

they're like good size but anyway so back to the throwing more in the East River, you know, the National History Museum was doing this supposedly. I guess somehow, good old John heard about this in the grapevine just through people that knew, knows what the street is, said it on the podcast. Rogan said, if you go out there and find bones, I'll have you on the pod. Nice.

So there's two massive incentives in there. Yeah, he said that. Two massive incentives to go out there. One, it's worth a lot of money if there's bones down there. You can sell those bitches. And so you can't reach, but two, you get to go on Rogan and talk about it, which is a hell of an experience.

Question is, when I read the article and they had two boats out there, Coast Guard went out there, because they were trying to figure out what these guys were up to. But there were supposedly two teams of experienced divers checking it all. One of them was actually just a boat that was like scanning the floor, kind of looking for shapes, and then they were going to go down. Another team was actually down there, you know, already flashlights, the lights, you know, save through it all. It would be such a fun story if they find some shit out. I hope so.

I hope they do. I'm not, when I was hearing it, I'm like, this is a bit of, you know, one of those like legends stories. Yeah, that just ends up being nothing, but you never know. I don't know, man. I've, I actually, there's a ski movie that just came out. This is a total side topic, but it's the same sort of thing where there was an explorer up in Alaska and he had his camera gear.

And you know, like old school camera that you used to have to put like the hood over your head. And yeah. They heard about it through some journals or something from this trip that was up there back in, I don't know the date. I want to say it was early 1900. So similar timing to what he's talking about

with these bones. And a ski team went up there. This is a Teton gravity Research which is a huge ski film operation. They Funded this movie. They went up there to find the students' camera gear and they fucking found it. No shit Yeah, dude. They found it in the glacier. They like looked at his old maps and they figured out like where the glacier would have moved to in the last hundred years And they fucking dug for it and they found it. I haven't watched the movie yet. It's not out yet.

That's super impressive. But they found his can't, this fucking camera. We're talking about woolly mammoth bones. If they're down there, they're gonna find them. Yeah, yeah, they're fine. Fucking huge. If they're there. People are gonna find and shit, dude.

Fuck yeah. Yeah. I mean, that river can't be that deep. You know, they're down there, sir. Oh, it's not I don't think it's that even if it was No matter that if they're there that find them. I don't I don't imagine that they won't the only thing I think is the then not You don't think they're gonna find it. I don't think that the story is real

Yeah, I think it was a boasha story. I think probably what happened is they said they dumped them there and someone else sold them all And made a bunch of money off. I don't know. It's out the top But it's cool. I want to check this documentary out. I think it's awesome that this guy Has this collection and it needs to be studied at the end of the day I know he doesn't want to bring teams up there But I hope he can pick some good guys and gals That want to go up and work on it because there's a lot we need to know about why they became extinct. We could probably learn a lot more about the

younger driers impact theory maybe from this. You know, yeah, I thought one of the coolest things was when they talked about how dragons maybe were real. Oh, well, it would make sense that made a lot of sense. The theory of why there's nothing left of them. Yeah. Any giant creature that can fly is going to have hollow bones which won't last. Just going to brittle away. Because I don't think there are many bird fossils. Well, it's going to say unless it was fossilized, but I think it takes a lot of like perfect conditions for that to happen right for them to not just whittle away yeah i don't really know if um... the softer bones do fossilize very well i don't i mean you see dinosaurs like that could fly

fucking teradactyls don't we have fossils of that or else we wouldn't know that they were real that's true so that's it doesn't make sense a teradactyl is basically a fucking dragon right 100% so without fire But man, it is still crazy. I mean, I don't think about dinosaurs Often until lately because my son is obsessed with them and so we go to the fucking the dinosaur Museum here Museum of the Rockies, mm-hmm, and it is just it blows my mind how big those fucking things work. Oh, the triceratops, heads that they have at the museum here are so massive. I mean, it puts really mammoths to shame.

It makes a really mammoth look like a fucking house cat. It's ridiculous. How big they are. I'm like, what? Imagine just having a sea in one of those just walking right in front of you. Imagine sea in even just a teradactyl fine around them. That's as big as a fucking dragon in the in the story books.

100% that's a fucking dragon. Yeah, that shit's real. There were some bigger ones. Teradact like I don't think teradactyls were the biggest. There was you of the species. Yeah, something that's like what I was gonna say petrodactyl

but that is teradactyl. The peace sign went bro. I think so. But again, the fuck they're ginormous like there's some other species that's like wingspan like of like a seven for seven. I mean, there's no way we've uncovered all of these things. No. You know, much shit's in the ground. We have no clue. In the ocean too, that's another one that we haven't even scratched the surface on what's

I in the bottom of the ocean. Well, that's why we got to keep looking. Gotta keep looking and stuff. Anyway, all right, let's call it for this week. We have another one coming out on Tuesday. Do we have any guests for Rogan's got some people on already this week, right? Oh, yeah. Was it Mara? There was someone I liked the look of. Oh, Brett, Brett Weinstein. I'm excited to hear what he's up to. Dave Portnoy I needed to hear what he's up to. Dave Portnoy and then Peter Zihon. Oh, Dave from Barstool Sports. Yeah, that'll should be a good one.

Well, he got into it a little bit about with the Andrew Tate arrest and all that business. So that's gonna be interesting to chat about. But anyway, thank you guys and gals as always. Welcome to 2023, bitches. We're gonna have some great pods this year. And I can't wait to see who Rogan has on. Love it.

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