Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 311 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Lex Fridman Et al.

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

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Draw the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. We are reviewing Lex Friedman and then Good Old Kyle Kalinsky, who talks incredibly quickly. And I almost don't recommend speeding up your Spotify or wherever you listen to it in order to squeeze the pot in because you will struggle to understand what he's talking about. Join us always by my co-host Todd. What's happening? Good morning, sir. Yeah, nice early one. What are your bullet points for the Lex Friedman show?

Yeah, nice early one. What are your bullet points for the Lex Friedman show? Lex the mr. Optimistic Look having the chat GPT that's huge we could get into that for the whole episode. It was so good Yeah, I've been slightly addicted to this. We'll talk about it. So good the You know talking about brave new world and how you need scarcity for human happiness that one hit me Well because you know, it reminds me that humans are different than robots. We have emotions. Thank God. And then what else? The finite aspect of death that could actually make life un-earth more pleasurable. I just love Lex Friedman's attitude on stuff and he's

always positive. He thinks all of these things are going to be, are going to create happiness for us instead of this doom and gloom. So I just, I just think Lex is the man. I think what stood out for me was, well, they want to bring Eric Weinstein on to analyze all the UFO data. That's going to be wild. I think that's just going to be such an interesting part. And it's going to be fascinating to get his thoughts on what's out there. Also, I wonder what data he can get a hold of. Is it more than we're privy to? I mean, Joe has some insiders, some people that are collecting data, and I wonder, Jeremy Corbell, for example, you know, he has more stuff than he talks about. Then lastly, they finished up with the lady that works for the White House.

There was on 60 minutes, saying being fat is mostly genetic. And we get into what we think that's about. But chat GPT, let's get into that because there's so much there. If you guys haven't played around with this, I recommend it. It is wild. It takes a little bit of time to figure out how it thinks.

But for example, we, Todd gave me just kind of like an idea of what to run through it. And we decided to do what was it? Like a fictional story of why AI writing software could replace current writers. Could replace humans, yeah. And I just wrote that, but I said put it it in the style of Stephen King. Mm-hmm. And it did the whole thing. It wrote the whole thing.

Yeah, nice. It's like creepy story that ultimately had like kind of an okay ending. Yeah. Amazing. It takes like five seconds. Yeah, I did a few last night where I said, right in the style of Hunter S. Thompson, like, give me a short story about. last night where I said right in the style of Hunter S. Thompson, like give me a short story about Bozeman Montana written in the style of Hunter S. Thompson. I was trying to explain what Chap GPT was to my wife and I was having her, you know, type in some of her favorite authors,

you know, Steinbeck and Anne Rice. And we put them side by side and you could just tell the styles of those particular authors were completely different. It's incredible. It's pretty cool. I mean, look, you can, it's still, I still see it in a pretty amateur phase, but it's gonna be incredible. You're not gonna be able to tell the difference

within a couple of years, I don't think, between a human and a AI. I mean, it's so good that if this was 10 years ago, and you, singly, on this planet, have that technology and no one else did, you could, who knows, you could probably take over the world with just that. It was interesting for me, the filler that Lex talks about, it's really good about with creating filler, right? So it could replace an email. Like, hey, you know, he was laughing about it with Jill.

Like, I could just send you something back for you email and have it written by, I could write one sentence and then have chat G-P-T do the rest and it would create, you know, two, three, four paragraphs. Because it has all this nice filler, it uses commas, it makes you sound smart. Yeah.

And it has, it has, it has kind of, for example, I was looking at comedians, right? And I was like, write a bio on Tim Dillon, write a bio on Berkkysher. And it ends almost all of them the same way. It had, it almost has like this nice little wrap up conclusion for comedians.

It's like, you know, I can't even remember what it is now, but it does that. It has like some similarities. And a lot of times it just says, fairly vague things, you know, it's almost like, you know, when you have to write an essay in school and you, and it's like 400 words, and you know, you're only at 320. So you start writing some long sentences, the really saying nothing. Of course. It does a little bit of that but it was cool how Lex was discussing how it learns and one thing that really stood out for me is he said it hasn't actually got any smarter. It's been this smart for a while it just is now more impressive to humans. It just kind of puts a bit, it's almost like if you have a robot

in front of you and it can do basic things, it can stand up, it can hold the cup, it can't do a lot, but that's what it does. We're now all of a sudden we've put a face on it and skin and hair, so it still does the same minimal things that it did before, but it just kind of seems more human. So we add a lot more to it. We're like, oh, look how amazing this is. It's kind of like that. Well, what I was getting.

What I heard from that is the supervised labeling. I don't know if they were doing that in chat. Three chat, GPT-3, and now they're at 3.5. Right? This supervised labeling, 3GPT3 and now they're at 3.5. The supervised labeling, I think they just have so many people working for them and they run through all the same storylines and then they pick the best one. So all the questions that they give it, they'll have a bunch of actual humans looking at what AI answered and then they pick the best ones, right?

Right. And so they're starting to put in some of that human element of this one sounds better because it sounds more human, and they're picking those, and those are getting ranked at the top. Well, they're using that more and more. Think how effective that would be in any system, right? You run a magazine. Imagine if you have three writers, even the same writer write three versions

of a similar story, or multiple writers doing the same, and then you pick which one you like best or everyone votes on it. Then all of a sudden you're not only finding the best writer from your group or the best style, that feedback is so useful. Yeah, you let the fine tuning they call it, the fine tuning by human laborers. How long until you cannot tell at all? I mean, kids are definitely cheating in college with this. And immediately. Immediately.

Absolutely. And how are they going to figure that out? Well, and how are they going to figure out how to censor it, too? I mean, it was already when they did the example of Fauci and it said, write something bad about Fauci and it wouldn't. It was like it couldn't find enough bad stuff on the internet because it's just taking stuff

from the internet. But it's almost like, they're saying open AI is a little bit more left leaning. And so maybe that's gonna be a different algorithm or it's gonna say something different if you use open AI as opposed to another chat GPT site. Well, what's wild is what Joe pointed out when they talked about Gordon Ryan. He's a phenom of jujitsu.

Right. Maybe probably the greatest ever. Right. I mean, but that's 98% of everything that he is. He does some trolling, you know, he does talk shit to other fighters and do these different things, but that's kind of part of the game. I mean, it would be like asking chat to talk about Connor, and it only focused on Connor's bad behavior or his shit talking instead of his massive record and all the incredible things that he's done for the UFC and MMA as a whole, it just kind

of is interesting that what it looks at, what it pointed to. Yeah, it's interesting to see that it's already politically biased. Yeah, maybe, but maybe like Lex was saying, it might just be an accident. It might just be because of the way that it's what it's looking at and how. Yeah, and while in look, he did say criticized Gordon Ryan. And they could easily criticize Gordon Ryan. But when he said criticize Anthony Fauci, it was all like it was better. It was big. It didn't want to give him shit. That's true. I mean, he seems like someone

you could criticize if you wanted to. Either way, it's wild. And I'm so fascinated to see where this goes. And also slightly worried for all the people that it's gonna basically make unemployed, like copyrighters or even ghost writers, like you name it. I mean, if you could just dictate a story into it, imagine that, like an entire book, you're just life story, you're just talking and doing it.

And you know, it's sloppy, maybe some things are out of order, Imagine that, like an entire book, you're just life story, you're just talking and doing it. And you know, it's sloppy, maybe some things are out of order, maybe the way that you're speaking is just not all that clear. But it's getting all the information and just ghost writes, the whole book for you. Yeah, and then you can copy edit it from there. It can't be that far away. If you need a guarantee for your car, Si necesitas un taller de garantía para tu coche, Motrio te ofrece un mantenimiento multimarca sin sorpresas con mecánicos expertos altamente cualificados y formados. Descubre Motrio, tu taller para todo lo que necesitas. Encuentra tu taller, Motrio más cercano en talleres.motrio.es.

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Well, I'm always pretty optimistic, but it's just, instead of this doom and gloom, we got to think about how this could help us. Right? It's like, okay, well, there's got to be ways that yes, this could go bad, but it was interesting to hear his point of view on the people making this stuff want a better world. They're not dangerous, but look, there's always danger when it comes to this stuff because we just don't know. It's gonna be super useful in a lot of ways, and like anything new, people will manipulate it and try and, you know, add some fuckery and maybe some scams

and try and start conning some people. The what kind of worries me, I mean, there is the potential for that to happen. But also if you think about news and how polarized it is and how I could have one article saying one thing and then my friend sends me another one that says the complete opposite thing and with this is our argument, we're basing it on the this, right, which is bias all over the place. If these systems didn't have a bias and they were just collecting information from all new sources and you were like, what's the average information of this story?

Take the fucking spy balloon that was over Montana. Right. You know, people like, Oh, the president didn't shoot it down. And then some other people like, we shouldn't shoot it down because of debris and blah, blah. It's like, all right, what is the story here? Just find all the stories, put them together and give me an average. That might actually be the best version of news we can ever hope together. Right. It might be the most unbiased version of news. Yeah. So look at how positive that is. There's no more scripted news. It's just taking all of the information and putting it together as one story. You might get the most truthful and honest portion of what you're trying to ask it. There's a good chance.

There's a good chance. It's going to be it's going to be fun to see where this goes. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot more about it. I could imagine the next couple of iterations of this software are just going to be unbelievable. It sounds like it's been pretty impressive to a lot of people for a while. They're already on the 3.5 and that's the first time I've heard of it. It just wasn't that spectacular to regular folks like us, but to programmers and people on the inside that love this kind of AI learning. They've been amazed with it for a while. So it's exponential at this point, I think.

What did you think about the intimacy, how it could be a huge problem? I mean, catfishing is already a huge problem. Now they have fake photos. I mean, those are the photos of those women that AI created, it was it's scary. Like you can or you do those filters. Right. You know, so like dating apps are just, you know, insecure people not saying that everyone on there is, but those that are they can just take a picture, run it through a filter and look better. I mean, now they don't even have to be in the picture.

It can be like, AI, render a really hot picture of me with six pack, with a bunch of friends at a cool party, holding a puppy. You just cover all the things that resonate well on dating apps. And then you show up and the person doesn't look at anything like it. It's gonna change the relationship to

with people and robots. I mean, not change it, but it's gonna change the relationship between people and other humans, right? There's gonna be plenty of people rolling around with AI as the best friend. That's a scary thought, but also, hey, maybe that helps people get out of their house

and have more connection. I mean, it might not be human connection, but at least they're connecting with something. Well, talking about thoughts out, if they're like worried about stuff or confused about things, you know, be like, hey, I've got this problem. I don't know how to do it.

I'm struggling with my homework. What do you think AI robot in my room? And it just goes, hey, you know what you could do? Break it down into small little sections, take breaks every 30 minutes, I'll help you with it, maybe we'll read it out together, could be super beneficial. They could stop programming things like that.

Let's get into Brave New World. I have never read that book. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, I've read 1984. I really should read Brave New World. I have never read that book. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, I've read 1984. I really should read Brave New World. I heard it was quite a lot different, but I didn't realize that was what it mostly was, like decentralized government.

People are medicated, feeling good, but numbed and it's just this is what it is, like everything's fixed with a pill. Yeah, summer. Which is what a lot of people kind of, I mean, companies want for sure. I mean, they don't want to hear that eating a bunch of garlic all the time or, you know, adding turmeric to stuff is, is like, starts fixing your body. They want to make it. They want to peel for it.

Yeah, look, it's what people want, but is it going to be good for us? We don't know yet. We don't know. I mean, there's plenty of people walking around on Xanax all day long. Is that really good for the human condition? I don't know. Doesn't seem that way. It just seems like everybody's numb.

And Brave New World talks about that too. I would just numbs everyone. Yeah. And it kind of gets rid of this. Yeah, might get rid of depression and anxiety, but I think we need that in order to have the highs and the lows. Like we need the lows in order to have the highs. Well, there's one thing for sure that's real is you could make yourself feel really comfortable and really happy when your life is oriented well. The problem is that is really fucking hard to do.

If you're very poor and in a really rough spot in a country that doesn't have enough You know, and it it involves all the things working out You know being kind not creating massive problems staying away from Drug addictions there's just so many elements of life that can really fuck it up That people just feel so sad that they're 100% what you're choosing. The problem is it doesn't fix any of those things. You're just then numb and not noticing that you're not doing the things in your life that will make it better. Well, and when life is too comfortable, it brings back this question of what's my purpose. If everything's just comfortable all the time, yeah, you might be comfortable, but you're not feeling like there's a purpose,

and you're not feeling motivated. It almost takes away motivation when you're too comfortable. Like, oh, I can just sit around all day today. I don't really need to do anything. That doesn't make you happy. Right. What makes me think of things that like Cameron Haynes and Goggen says, like be comfortable with the uncomfortable, which is kind of silly. I say it's more like be, be okay with the uncomfortable. And what I mean by that is it's not going to be comfortable, whatever the difficult thing is you're doing, but you understand it's important. And it will lead to a calm mind, a happier life, and you've got to push into it. That reminds me of when they were talking about being living forever. Like, do we really want to live forever? It's going to happen, dude. They

already made that, um, they were at Harvard, they already made that. What was in a mouse? Like, younger. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. I don't know if they were able to keep it alive all that much longer, ultimately, but it was like a young mouse until they basically just were pairing the DNA. Like, I think how they describe that is, we looked at aging as your cells

just eventually get full of debris and it's bad for the cells when they're copying and now they're just copying poorly. But really what it is is each cell after as you age, and this is like the dumb version of this, but it's not getting the message, the full visual of the DNA. So it's only able to make a slightly less kind of crappier version each time. And what they've managed to do is turn the signal back up. And almost instantly that will happen. Yeah, it's like, would instantly start happening.

It's like all the information of how your body used to be when you were 20 is still in there. It just, we can't read it the same way. And we're making better readers. Yeah, we're going to be listening to our hundreds if they make real quick, if they make that pill, that's going to be the most sold thing ever. Oh, yeah, of course. Like 90-year-old people that still look 20. But do we really want to live forever? I don't know. I don't. My point is, I don't think it makes you live forever. I think it just makes you young until eventually your system can't survive.

I'm not 100% sure. Well, they're working on it. We'll find out. Yeah, we're going to find out. Oh. Encuentra tu taller motrio más cercano en talleres.motrio.es Si necesitas un taller de garantía para tu coche, motrio te ofrece un mantenimiento multimarca sin sorpresas con mecánicos expertos, altamente cualificados y formados.

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fucking revolution revolutionize the world totally. I mean honestly before Google did you ever remember ask jeves and it was so clunky, but it still was cool. It was mind blowing. I was like, wow, you just write something in and it gives it to you. And then as soon as Google got into the game, they were like, oh yeah, you think that's cool. Check this out. It made like the word search got changed for just Google it. Just Google it.

Yeah. I mean, no wonder they're worth that much money. And a bit of competition, they were also worried about TikTok because of, I mean, no wonder they're worth that much money and a bit of competition. They're also worried about TikTok because of, I guess, some way of searching on there or at least getting information so they're trying to get rid of it. But I say more competition, the better. That's the best version of capitalism. Yeah. Okay. If there's these other systems are working better or stealing your customers away, make your ship better too.

Figure it out. You already have all the money and all the engineers and software guys, just make it better. Yeah, make it better, but I thought it was interesting to hear about whether or not we're gonna know if things are real, you know, like if AI is doing it, is that whether it's a real person or not, we're still getting the information, but the transparency, he gave an example of if they were to take a

picture of Alpha Centauri, right, is that picture real or not? Are we going to believe that that photo is real? We don't know because we could create it. That was a perfect example. If we send a drone to another planet and it's flying around looking at cities, it would be wild. But yeah, now we would just possibly think, well, wait a second, you can easily just make that up too. And everybody's already questioning everything. It's almost gonna get worse,

the better we get at this stuff. No one's ever gonna know what's true or what's not. It's already happening. And this could actually multiply that in ways we don't even know yet. Maybe that'll ultimately calm people down. I hope so. So instead of getting super worked up

about these ideologies or opinions that you have, we'll take a step back and go, well, look, let's just live our lives to what best. We don't know what to believe. No one knows how to do this all kinds of stuff. We don't know what to believe. No one knows how to do all kinds of stuff. We don't know what's there and what's not. It's like, okay, maybe that's real, maybe not. Yeah, I mean, it's cool that we can sit here

and talk about health. That was an interesting point. You know, he was talking about how Lewis CK thought it was, you know, thought it was where elite now because we can talk about cold baths and Friedman was laughing about it because it's a cold bath. It's not like this is some crazy new idea. The Russians have been jumping in cold water forever. Yeah. Every everyone that has a shower can turn the hot water off. This isn't really low. I think

it's just like so much a Louis bless him and why he finds the incredible comedy that he does is because he's kind of a bit like a grumpy old man is the way that he looks at things. You know, he definitely has like a cynical mind of that kind of stuff. So yeah, that's it. Well, what about the lady that went on 60 minutes?

I guess she works for the White House, pointed by Biden, and now she's saying 80% of the reason the people are obese is genetics. Yeah, not true. Well, I guess technically it could be true, right? If you have really big parents, then the kids have like an 80% chance of kind of being the same.

So technically, that could be true. However, I think it's, you got to be careful when you position it because you're taking the power away from those people or anyone that struggles with weight. You're basically saying, oh, this is your genetics, there's nothing you can do. There is things you can do. It may be harder for you. Right. You know, you may have a greater propensity to like want to eat cakes and sweets and carbohydrates,

and it may just be something that's drawn to you. But if you build up some resilience and some discipline that takes time and is difficult, you could do it for sure. Of course. Everyone could do it. Yeah, I mean, obviously, metabolism's are different in different people. Some people have a really fast metabolism and could eat for a concerial all day long and sugar and still be skinny.

Yeah. So I get that. But I think Joe's point was saying, hey, a lot of these people are just accustomed to eating crap and that's how their families eat. And so if you grow up eating food that's super unhealthy and full of sugar all the time, of course you're going to be bigger-boned. I mean, everyone says bigger-boned.

Like you said, it's just going to be harder for that type of person who's in a, you know, maybe a family that doesn't eat well or doesn't know enough about nutrition to become skinny. Yeah. And I think it's just not good because then you're leaning into it and say, well, we've made a pill for you. So either same, do everything that you did the same. Don't work out, keep eating sugar, but we'll get you this pill. And then you take the pill and later on, now you have depression, but we have another

pill for that. And then also it led to, you know, your bones dissolving. So we need a bone, anti-bone dissolving pill. There's no quick fix. That's not a quick fix. And I think it's a problem. Yeah, of course, of course it's a problem. Of course it's a problem.

I mean, we always want a quick fix with a pill. I mean, that's Western medicine. Yeah. I don't like it. And it kind of goes back to being self-reliant from last week's talk with, was it Mike Glover? Yeah. Talking about being self-reliant and doing things

on your own, the government doesn't want that. Big corporations don't want us to be self-reliant. They don't want us to know what's good for us without taking a pill. They don't want us to not get vaccinated. They want us to need them. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. You can't profit as well from people that are really self-reliant and they can take care of themselves. You just can't do it. And you also can't persuade them as easily too, because they generally won't have as much trust in these big systems. Good old Lex. Love that guy.

Go check out his podcast. He's great. So many good conversations. And he's getting better. He's getting funnier. He's getting slightly less nerdy. Well, maybe, maybe not. Brilliant guy. Let's jump over to Kyle and finish this one up. se está haciendo funería, se está haciendo un poco de Lesson 3D, pues, maybe, maybe not. ¡Bien!

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I mean, I like his enthusiasm. Yeah. I like how all he wants is to tell an unbiased point of view, right? He just wants to get out the truth. I mean, that's what I heard over and over again. He's looking at the algorithms. I think that was the biggest takeaway from this one is that algorithms are changing and they are, you know, whether it's Twitter or Facebook or Instagram, you're only seen a portion of what you used to see. Yeah. And, you know, is this your bullet point for the beginning

of the car one? Okay, so he's keeping those. Well, bullet points, yeah. Okay, so algorithms are changing. Yep. That's that was a huge one for me. Sensorship is happening all over the place. You're only seeing a portion of what you should be seeing. And that was huge. What else? Round up being in everybody's urine. Not good. Not surprising, but yes, not good at all. Yeah. We all got to stop eating roundup, folks. The FBI letter sent to MLK. Oh, yeah. That was a big talking point. Universal basic income. Some of the theories he had behind that or the stats behind that were something I had never heard before. It was interesting. And yeah, the unbiased reporting is just is hard to, it's hard to get a good objective when unbiased

reporting is happening all over. That was my biggest takeaway. Let's get into it then. First off, it sounds like Theo Vaughn is moving to Austin. That I loved. That was immediately the most positive thing I heard on there. Can't wait. Yeah, get all the best comedians together in one spot. If they've left Cali, you've got to get them all together somewhere else. We need a new version of the comedy store. Can't wait for that. YouTube censoring things. Now we know Joe's thoughts on this. He, it's big part of why he moved over to Spotify, getting demonetized over that. And it sounds like people are moving away from YouTube that I guess have more controversial stories, but it's what really good news is

becoming. Take Russell Brandt's show. I think he's gone over to Rumble, which is like a different type of YouTube. I've never used it. I probably should look gone over to Rumble, which is like a different type of YouTube. I've never used it. I probably should look at it. But yeah, they're going over there because they're not being demonetized. So it's almost like YouTube was the place to build these big audiences. But now it's more like just for Mr. Beast and Logan Paul and fun videos and the beast and Logan Paul and fun videos and silly goofy stuff. When it starts getting serious, the advertisers are getting nervous. And that makes YouTube nervous because again, they're just full on profit, which I guess it's the way everything goes, right? When you get big enough, you got to worry about your bottom line. But that's not how YouTube starts. That's

what YouTube, like quickly became in a lot of ways better than regular television. When it came out, people still at cable. And nobody really thought you'd be watching movies on YouTube or hour long things. It was just smaller clips that were wild from all over the place. And it was kind of a free for all. And now it's become, you know, there was that thing e-bons world or whatever remember that website you that was kind of for a while I think big than YouTube from what I remember and it just had wild nutty short little videos on and Then YouTube really just took over But that censorship thing kind of sucks. I mean, this is why I am never gonna do a Rogan Review channel on YouTube.

I think I did for like a minute, but I just, I didn't care for the crossover thing and now of all this censorship, it just makes me think, what's the point? I mean, we're trying to talk about whatever we want. It's not like we're super controversial, but guaranteed we'll bring up something they won't like. I'm not down for that, bro.

Yeah. I mean, you look at Bernie Sanders, for example, if you get a bunch of people giving you small amounts of money, I mean, that's really the future in my mind is you have to gain a, you have to gain a solid following. It doesn't have to be huge, but enough people, you know, let's say you get a thousand fans. Have you heard of the a thousand fan theory? If you have a thousand fans and they give you a hundred dollars a year, that's a hundred grand. Anyone could live off a hundred grand all day long. Oh yeah. For, you know, for the year. Yeah. That's only a thousand people. It's less than 10 bucks a month. Right. And it's a small amount of people, but those are your true fans.

And that's how you start to gain a following. It's gonna be harder to gain a following because YouTube, in the algorithms, people aren't seeing your show, right? Unless you're a big top dog like CNN. Sure. They're getting all the hits now. I mean, Kyle talked about that a bunch.

How he, because he was on that a bunch, how he, because he was on, you know, early enough, he was able to gain this larger crowd, but all these new people coming on to YouTube. They're not seeing it. They're not seeing those numbers, Spike. I mean, same thing happened with Facebook. I remember, you know, with Facebook,

those, or you'd come up in organic searches all the time before they change the algorithms. And now, in order to get a solid phone, you have to pay. It's all about money now. You have to pay for the advertising for your shit to get seen on Instagram and Facebook. And if you're even a little bit controversial, it seems good luck. Even paying isn't gonna help you. Good luck. You know, It's just not going to. Yeah, I noticed on Instagram, I just, I told them to find people that are like my followers, right?

So I boosted a post. And if you find, if they find people that are like your followers, I thought that that would be a good thing, rather than picking my own, right? I just figured out, they'll just use an algorithm that'll find similar people.

The age group was 55 and up, was like 80% of the followers, it was total bullshit. Really? Yeah, because you can look at the stats of where it's going to and who's seeing your post. And it was people that in my mind were not even close to the age group of the types of people

that are already following me. You would have thought Instagram would have really good systems for that. Now, if you do it yourself, can you go in and choose the age group and that, okay, but you just wanted to see if it could do it better on its own. I was curious to see what it would do. Yeah, and from now on, I'm just going to pick the exact people, pick the location, because you can go in and be really specific about who you're picking. I wonder, yeah, I would have thought it would be better than that.

Maybe it's going to get better. Let's talk about the people that they discuss that have been put in jail, kind of like for whistleblowers. So there was the guy that talked about the drone strikes. What was his name? Daniel Hale. That's right. And I guess was it under Obama? He came out saying that 90% of Obama's drone's strikes killed innocent people. Oh, God. And now he's in jail for it. That's shocking. Release that guy. Also, yeah, I guess if you have security

clearance, you got to be careful where you talk about that's pretty standard But that's kind of bullshit when that's something that people need to hear about that's really messed up Well, and then there was the ex on guy That was ex on guy. He was someone that was talking about all the pollution and damage the ex on was causing Mm-hmm and Kyle was saying that the prosecutors and the judge and everyone was kind of like corrupt and bought off. And they put that guy away as well or he has a lot of legal battles. It's heart breaking. I mean, what does it mean if we really take a step back from whistleblowers and make them almost encourage it, right?

Does it create this world free for all, where everyone's accusing everyone of all kinds of things? Or does it carefully expose real corruption and ultimately help us? It's hard to know. Well, I think the status or the the way news is is being fed to us now doesn't allow for that anymore. They're trying to get rid of it so bad. You know, it's like when the Washington Post talks about, you know, in the 70s, when

they when they came out with the, you know, taken down Nixon and the Watergate files. Joe mentions that the Twitter files are the same thing, but nobody's talking about it. There's no real news media other than these smaller bits like Kyle's station talking about real stuff. So until we get people on board with wanting that and paying for it and not believing all the shit they hear on regular news media, then it's not going to change. Well, you know what's interesting is Russell Brand about, I think, probably like 10 years ago, was often on the news because he's always had his own political ideas or wanted to

fight for certain things that he really felt strongly about, like addiction reform and these sorts of things and is always articulated well, and he's funny, right? He's great, he's a real character. So they used to bring him on these shows quite often. You can look through YouTube and see all these. Now that he has his YouTube channel,

that actually is quite brilliant stories often, and he brings up great points, things that other media are definitely not talking about. He, I don't think he's been on any shows. No, they're scared of him. Yeah, it's like he's got better at doing your job, and you don't have him on to discuss anything. No, man, because he won't take the narrative that they're being fed.

Well, they were it that he'd just come out with some wacky shit and they won't know where to go. They'd have to cut the commercial real fast. What, what was your take on universal basic income and the, the stats that Kyle gave about giving $500 to people how it actually helped, quite a bit and they weren't spending their money on booze and random things that they don't need,

but it was actually helping them quite a bit. And it was only $500 a month. Yeah. Well, I think it's important that it's an amount that you can't really live on. Take advantage of, yeah. But it's a nice addition. And I'm sure a lot of people will go from being broke

to getting an extra 500 and immediately spend that on a car payment, which probably won't help them. But many people probably will sort it out. I think that what was happening during COVID, I don't think I agree with Kyle on that when it came to, you know, sending him $1,000 or whatever a month. In California, it was like $1,000 a week, I think. Yeah, it was too much.

And that was enough. Maybe more than they made, people made well working. Right. I think that's bad. I just saw people that were getting that money that used to be really hard workers. They were young, they would hustle, they would do all the different types of jobs that they could. And now all of a sudden they're just trying to stay on

this like, free ride. Yeah, they got lazy. Oh, I made them lazy and depressed. That's what I saw. Yeah, you know, because they didn't have that like drive anymore. True. And it was real sad. However, yeah, maybe a little bump for the poorest people would really help out. I mean, keep your water on, keep your power going, you know. The child tax credit was a huge one. I actually remember that one because my son was maybe three months old at the time. And we got a huge check for that. I think it was- What is that like back on your taxes? Yeah, it was like $3,000 or something per quarter.

It was a good, it was a healthy amount. And he was saying that it got child poverty up or child hunger was like basically gone after having that tax credit for children. Yeah, shit like that is good. I'm down for that. hunger, fue básicamente gón después de haber que hacer el credit por los niños. Sí, así es bueno. No me he dado a eso. Pero ellos están haciendo esto. ¿O están haciendo esto?

No, no. ¿Cómo lo hicieron por eso? Sí, por eso. Durante la Covid, creo que era un poco de 2 años. ¿O qué? Deja un poco. Si necesitas un taller de garantía para tu coche,

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like, I'm not going back to working at, you know, Wendy's. And this is why so many companies are really struggling to find employees. And I think ultimately it's a good thing because it was just shown people don't wanna do those jobs. They would dissatisfied. What did they say, 80% of people would dissatisfied with their work? How depressing is that?

Yeah, only 18% of people actually like their jobs right now. Oh my God, that's not very many people, dude. No. And you gotta assume if you talk to your five closest friends and more than one of them says they love their job, maybe someone's lying. You know, maybe they're just saying it to make themselves feel better. Probably. Yeah, it's hard to find work that you love to do that you would do for free.

That's very difficult. That's a privileged few. But I recommend trying. Speaking of privilege few, the billionaires paying less than taxes, I mean, we've known this for a while now. Billionaires paying less than taxes than the middle class, that's got to change. But does it mean that they pay or a smaller percentage? It's a smaller percentage. So it's not a flat rate. Like, I think it should be a flat rate for everybody unless you make less than $40,000 a year or whatever. But there's still paying millions and millions and millions.

Whereas the middle class family is paying 15 grand a ton. True, but the percentage of middle class, what is it? 28% is what middle class pays in taxes. I think so, yeah, something like that. And billionaires are paying less than that yeah so that to me is that's that's not cool yet but they are build on the cool stuff that we have

they should still be paying at least the same amount as middle-class as far as a percentage goes i think do you think that it would fix the problems or the government would just take more money and spend it more responsibly well we don't know what the government spends their money on we lost two point one trillion dollars what the day before nine eleven was that in this one did that against canceled

so i'll talk about it i mean what about the mlk letter i mean scary but I don't see how Jerry companion posted the letter on Instagram. I read it. Oh, you did. I read it. So the FBI sent that to MLK. Apparently. What are they trying to encourage him to come to my suicide or saying, look, we're going to kill you. I think they were trying to get him to freak out and maybe hurt himself and so that they didn't have to follow through with the conspiracy theory that

Ultimately led to his death. Oh Yeah, kind of crazy. I Mean we always knew that the FBI had it out for him. I mean they were listening to his phone calls I thought it was interesting how they found, you know, that he was committing adultery, obviously. Right. But they were trying to do the same thing with, with Malcolm X, but he led such a clean life that they couldn't, they couldn't find anything bad.

Right. No doubt. There was no dirt, but there was plenty of dirt on MLK. And I think they just wanted to point that out to him and see if maybe he would commit suicide. I don't know. Why else would they send the letter? I don't know. That's so fucked, though. This is your own government. And then the Epstein autopsy report saying that he was strangled. Because it was low, no, it looked like he was strangled, not from hanging, because the, I mean, it doesn't look like he committed suicide.

No, yeah. I mean, that's been a pretty hilarious meme for some time. People even gone on the news, talked about other things that have nothing to do with that and ended with, oh, and by the way, Epstein didn't kill himself. It's, get that book. Where is that book? things that have nothing to do with that and ended with, oh, and by the way, Epstein didn't kill himself. Mm-hmm. It's, get that book.

Where is that book? I know a lot of rich people are on it, but that's insane. The Epstein's black book? Yeah. Where is it? Who went there? What are they up to? Where are all the videotapes?

Well, we don't have to show that now because he committed suicide. They're just going to pretend that. Oh, and we just move on, shall we? I guess nothing to see here, folks. Close the island down. See, maybe AI is going to solve these problems for us. We're going to be able to type something in to the AI open source. And it finds it.

It actually gives us the real data. You would just think that someone somewhere got a hold of that book and then could put it on the internet. Like, you only have to upload it once, and then we make a million copies of it, and then could put it on the internet. Like, you only have to upload it once and then we make a million copies of it. And then there it is. Yeah, just like the Tommy and the Pam and Tommy. It's just everywhere. It's everywhere.

Can't get rid of it. Dude, it's so wild. So wild. So wild. Just like the four loco bringing back four loco for protect our parks. You think they're gonna do that? 100%.

That'll be fun. That'll be a wild episode. I mean, Joe is trying to find it. The problem is we've already had a save our parks that will protect our parks where Erie was throwing up. How far do they wanna go? It's like just gonna be Shane left

and everyone else is completely flawed. I'd watch it. Sounds brilliant. How are we going to get money out of the news? I think that it comes down to until we take money out of Oh, and politics out of these, you know, these algorithms are changing because they're going towards the CNNs of the world that are actually paying way more money and advertising to be seen more. How do we get rid of that? I don't know. I think it comes down to the people paying for alternative platforms, right? Or if Twitter starts doing videos, that was interesting. If Twitter starts creating videos and it's less unbiased, it's not biased anymore because we have somebody like Elon running it and

He's not letting those algorithms do the things that every other platform is doing that could be a huge change I mean Elon could save it. Everything's gonna be a little bias always. We can't help it. She just do it But if we can keep a cap on it keep it like is low bias as possible if we can keep a cap on it. Keep it, like, is low bias as possible. Those ones are always going to be the best ones to use. I think Sky's the limit for what Elon can do with Twitter, because basically he just has a massive, like, audience across the board.

And right now, it's just little stories and pictures and some other things and maybe a short clip. But who knows where he could go with it? He could have a side branch thing, there's just all videos. He could have another thing that is like a crypto buying system that he sets up, global banking, like who knows? The problem is, if he starts leaning into those things,

he better get the best security in the world. I think the banks and global elites are not gonna like that at all. It's like, yeah, sorry dude too much power It's he better be careful. I don't want to lose them. No, I'd be so sad I would I'd be like come on He's gonna get us the Mars. He's doing cool shit. Gotta keep my life All right, I want to finish up with Roundup.

Roundup is in 80% of everyone's urine. I don't know. Life is it. Life is it. What, how big of a problem is this? How much cancer is coming from this? How bad is it? If it's one of those things where it's like,

yeah, it's in everybody's thing, everybody's body. But, you know, it's like a low-cost and generic effect. Or it's like, no, this is like 40% of the reason everyone gets cancer by the end of that life. What are we supposed to do? How do we not do it? Even if you like go hunting for elk like Joe does. Surely they're just getting on farmland and eating berries and all the rest of it. They've got it in their system. I don't, unless it's just banned completely, how do you stop it getting in your system? Well, it's purchasing power.

And unfortunately, organic food costs way more, maybe not way more, but quite a bit more. And glyphosate isn't in organic foods. Well, there was something I saw the other day that was saying quite a lot of the organic food sold at whole foods is bought from China. And that it says organic, but they're not actually properly testing or rating that organic food. So it might not even be organic. So grow your own food, know your farmers.

None of it is easy. That's so much work. It's so much work. We basically just have to go back to being like It's like self-sufficient thing. It's like every I mean if you live in a city or you've got a busy job and blah blah blah, it's like yeah, you're not you're not having a garden That way you're growing your own food. No, of course. So there's a select for you that can do it and Hunt your own meat. It's it's, it's just not really easy for most people.

There's no easy out on this one. But I think it is important to get that information, like find out how bad it is. It stuff scares me. Well, it's the gluten thing, right? Everybody says we're, you know, we're having this gluten problem. Everyone's allergic to gluten and it's creating all these horrible problems.

The celiacs. Isn't that. Aren't they now figuring out it's all glyphosate? Was actually the reason why it's they're claiming it's gluten, but really it's just round up being sprayed on the wheat. Like changing it, right? Yeah. Because if because when people eat like the traditional pastas and breads of Italy, when they're using different types of wheat and flour and all the rest of it, people aren't having these problems. Well, it's not even different types of wheat, it's just wheat that doesn't get sprayed with pesticides.

Is it really that that makes the changes the wheat? Well, in Italy, they don't use, they don't spray all their food with glyphosate. It's not like the US where everything is getting sprayed with Roundup. Yeah, we make too much food. It's probably hard to do at scale. I mean, that's no excuse, but it's like, you know,

you tackle one problem at a time, and then most of the time you make more problems. We just need to find more bats. The bats will help us. Pollinating bats, if I know anything. Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, they're in last week's pod about the bats. There's always a natural source that could get rid of,

maybe not do as good of a job as roundup, but if you look at the positives and the negatives of roundup as opposedup. But if you look at the positives and the negatives of Roundup as opposed to using something like a beetle or a bug that could get rid of these pesticides so that the wheat doesn't get, doesn't die off, that to me is the answer, but how do you get, how do you stop

Monsanto from spraying Roundup? That's the question. It's like people need to come out and get upset about it before it will ever change. Yeah, about 10 years ago, one of the first really good documentaries on Netflix was the Monsanto one. And people were furious. Up in arms, it was like the big conspiracy and frustration. And then of course, they weathered the storm, hung out, they've just got too much money and too many lawyers, and they just sat tight and here they are still here buying up more shit It's like yeah, we need a new documentary about it. We need something to create some outrage so people can

Get upset and try and change it I don't know. I think we can I think we can well the happiest people are farmers So is that right? I don't know, I think we can. I think we can. Well, the happiest people are farmers. So. Is that right? Said that the happiest people when it came to jobs, it was farmers in the least happy were lawyers. Fair enough. Well, there we go folks, be a farmer, don't be a lawyer.

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