Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 313 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Mariana van Zeller Et al.

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

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This one is Mariana Van Zella. Pretty packed with the amount of shit that she's investigated in that show traffic and even before is astounding. Yeah, very, I mean, very deep, dark places that she's going into every episode. I mean, she has been all over the world. I can't believe she hasn't been killed or hurt or shot at. I mean, I was waiting for some of those stories, you know? It sounds like you got touching go there plenty of times. What do you think her view of the world is after having all those experiences? That's got to kind of jade you a bit, right?

Yeah, well, she talked about, though, because she's an investigative journalist, she sees this through the eyes of a journalist, she sees this through the eyes of a journalist, she sees the humanity behind it, she sees that most of these people she's talking to are human, right? And really, the reasons they're going through this kind of stuff is because they have to make money. And you know, they have not saying they couldn't do it different ways, but you know, you look at some of the people she talked to in Jamaica, I don't have you watched any of the show. It's pretty intense.

She was talking to some people in Jamaica and it's like, you can make $10 a week working at, you know, slinging drinks to people, to, you know, rich white people at the resort and hardly provide for your family if at all, or you could scam people on your phone and sell them this belief that they won the lottery and all of a sudden they're sending you money. Even if they send you 300 bucks, you just made more money in one phone call

than you have all for the last two months of your life or three or four months even. It's not as surprised to me that those scams exist and that people do them because they are some really poor parts of the world. And you know, those people there are desperate trying to look for a way out of it. I mean, yeah, I think I do it if I live there. And there was, look, I could make $300 if I make, I think they were saying 280 phone calls a day. This one woman was, was making and she'd maybe get one or two people to go along with the scam. Right.

So they say, Hey, we won the lottery. You guys, you won the lottery. Send me your account information. We'll send you the money. For whatever reason, people are naive enough to follow through with that if they call enough people, right? She was saying maybe one or two out of 300 calls in a day, she would actually get money from these people, but Hey, man, you can make 300 phone calls a day and make 300 bucks. That's a Huge amount of money compared to the $10 a day at the resort slinging cocktails. Yeah, and it seems like that's a hard thing to police, you know? Right.

Like, it's still now, you know, I get three or four of those kind of spam calls a week, you know, they're not like that directly, but it's always something. A lot of times the phones catch it these days, but remember, way back in the day, even on Craigslist and things, you would buy stuff. And then people would be like, oh no, yeah, we're just, you know, I'll send you a cashier's check and then you send the thing to me or I can't remember what it was like, give me, you know, I'll pay over and you just send me the the what would be left over back Right and it kind of it like pulls you in before you're used to it And I know some friends that have been scammed with those gift cards

Mm-hmm and when I First heard about it's easy to just judge him and be like you idiot. What are you thinking? But you know that's hindsight you go back and break the story down, it's easy to just judge him and be like, you idiot, what are you thinking? But you know, that's hindsight. You go back and break the story down and it's like, oh, kind of made sense as it was unfolding. Well, people get tricked easily, man, and they're taking advantage of it.

That was the only episode that I watched, was that scamming one. It also talked about people in, what was even crazier to me was the people in Egypt, or what, no, sorry, it was in Tel Aviv, in Israel. They have all these companies that are just trading stocks for people, but it's a complete scam. You're just taking people's money.

You're never even putting it into the stock market. You're just calling people getting their money, pretending that you're trading their money, and just taking people's money. You're never even putting it into the stock market. You're just calling people getting their money, pretending that you're trading their money, and just taking their money. What? Yeah. Dude. Yeah.

That's... There's so much shady shit out of there. And I mean, this is why people like Mariana are so important, because they highlight that. Stuff that, you know, we're never going to have time to look into. Most media groups, well, you know, maybe they mentioned something that's going on, but to go into that kind of detail and also to put herself out there. That story when she said she met up with that guy selling AKs, right, and whatever, 50 cows, and he was also methed up right and she did say that

one was hard to kind of sympathize with in the sense of seeing the that person as just a person trying to survive because she was like that that was like a heightened individual right you know probably pretty dangerous whacked out guy was that a Craigslist deal how did you you, or did she went to Taco Bell? Right, but it was a website that she had mentioned. I wrote it down, but there was a website you could just go to and buy guns off of. That's nuts.

And then now, wasn't she saying that the police are in on it? So it's this circle of like the police buying guns or random people buying guns and then Mexico buying the guns from here, bringing them down to to the cartels so all the guns that the Mexicans have are from the states because it's so easy to get guns and then now they try to come back into the states it's this it's this cycle of people who were basically providing them the guns that were then bitching about because of the drug wars, but were the ones supplying the weapons that they're using. Yeah, there was some story not that long ago about, I think it was like L.A. PD cops that

were getting a whole of guns and selling them. And you know, they're like making quite a bit of extra money, but putting that back out into the market. Like imagine how much, also imagine how much stuff goes missing from the evidence lockers. I mean, how much, it's, you know, it's got a get from wherever they seize it into that room and then they book it in and say how much there is, like how many, how many levels of like people keep it on eye on each other are there? Well, you know, the money's never the same when it goes into the evidence lock.

You get a man in a wheelchair. No way. No way. I mean, sure, there's plenty of good cops out there, but there's plenty of bad ones too. And you know, they're taking that money. If they, if they seize money in a drug bust, of course, there's going to be cops that take that. And of course, there's gonna be cops that sell guns to you know, these cartels and again, it doesn't mean all of them or even many of them, right?

But it's some and it's probably like that in all areas of Life to some degree. There's you know, even with bankers There's probably plenty of them that just do their job right. And then there's a few that are just shady as fuck. Well, cheers to Mariana for making this happen. It seems like a really cool series. I'm excited to watch more. You said the LSD one.

You didn't get to watch that one yet? No, that wasn't. I think you had to sign up for the National Geographic app or something on my TV. You've seen my TV. It's old school. Yeah. So I wasn't able to sign up for the National Geographic app or something on my TV. You've seen my TV, it's old school. Yeah, so I was unable to do it, but I watched the one about scamming on YouTube. They have a bunch on YouTube.

But from older seasons that you can watch. Yeah, definitely go check more of those out if you're interested with it. I liked how it started, obviously she said she smoked a bit of weed, but doesn't really do drugs. And you know, you can't blame her from the things that she's seen. It's definitely when you've seen only the worst kind of results.

But there was that guy who had PTSD from getting blown up and was really struggling, started to do some, was it LSD or mushrooms? I thought it was MDMA. Wasn't it? One of them. Anyway. Okay. And it's just been helping him, you know,

and helping him kind of sleep and get on with his life and move forward. And then Joe is talking about LSD with a shaman. Like, you know, or someone that knows they can, like, facilitate the experience, kind of sit there with you and go through. And that's a pretty cool idea, I think. Cool exploration into psychedelics in your mental health. Well, when Mariana was talking about the guy that she

interviewed, and I'm excited to watch this one when it comes out, but she interviewed a guy who is a chemist, and apparently there's not a ton of chemists who are making LSD. There's only so many around. And she was saying he lives in a school bus in Montana. And he got really emotional on screen and was talking about how he just wanted to do this to provide it to people because it changed his life so much. It had such an amazing impact on his development. I didn't watch it yet, so I don't know, but she was paraphrasing that he broke down to

her while she was interviewing him and talked about how he just needs to make this for people. It's not even about the money. It's just about providing it so that people can have the experience. Wow. What a passion project that can end you up in a lot of time in jail, I'd imagine. Right. Well, he's in a school bus somewhere in the state. There we go.

Probably a second. No, school bus. But yeah, they were all over the place, man. I mean, talking about six foot chimpanzees, I think they, she started talking about six foot chimpanzees. I think she started talking about the gorilla trade. Like there's people in the UAE that really want gorillas, rich people who just want gorillas on their property, want gorillas to show their friends. And it seems like a lot of work. Is that cool? Would you? No, I don't want to. Can you imagine a world of like a scenario where you'd be so loaded that you're just like, wow, clearly I'm getting a gorilla. I mean, it's not really any different than

wanting a lion, I guess, which I also don't understand. You know, you got Joe, what's his name, Joe Tiger. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, Mike Tyson had some tigers. Yeah, and Tyson had tigers. Uh-huh. I don't know. It's just a weird... Yeah, there's like more tigers in Texas than there were on like the rest of the world. Yeah, they said most lions and tigers and wild animals in Texas, because the laws are different there. Apparently you can just own as many fucking wild animals as you want. Huh. There's some wild folks down there, for sure. Nothing like Florida though, all that hope, or it's stuff that they were talking about,

you know, that you can just, you used to just be able to go in, you get your prescription, you go next door, same place that prescribes gives you the drugs, makes the money, right? And then not really writing it down, and you can just go down the street, do it again. And then, of course, turn around, sell it to people that can't get a whole of that stuff, sell it for 10 times, just making this massive epidemic of people addicted

to a really powerful, like narcotic, really. Yeah, oxy-cartony cotton and that's a bad one but there was a video about it she she it was titled oxy cotton express which I have not seen either but apparently that was I think the one of her first kind of projects that she did with her husband her husband is the producer and director of both of these shows. Right. Yeah. And OxyContin Express, I think, was one of the first movies they did together. I've heard good things about it. I've actually sat down to watch it before. It basically got it already.

And sometimes I just can't, I know how disturbing it's going to be. I can't bring myself to watch some of those sometimes. Yeah. It's just what can you do. What can you do to help the situation? You just watch it and it's depressing. It's like, damn yeah, I can see how people could get so hooked to this. It's so addictive. Well, it's important to be educated about it, right? And to know how damaging it is, but at the same time, just watching these people's lives just get destroyed by it. And this is technically,

even though some of that process was illegal and they've changed it, and there was a lot of shady stuff going on, I mean, it was still go to a doctor, get a prescription, go next or get it. I mean, these aren't like drug deals per se, though it is a drug deal. Well, legal drug deals.

Yeah, but it just made it so easy. I mean, if you could go to all those pain clinics that were basically in every strip mall all over Florida, if you were addicted to oxy cotton, whether you were selling it or trying to make money off of it or not, you're still gonna go to those pain clinics as soon as you run out if it's that easy. Mm-hmm.

It's just too easy. They just made it too easy to get the stuff. Yeah. And even when they're changing and all, she said that there's almost no pharmaceutical execs that have been prosecuted. Right. That's like people, they go to jail,

people got in trouble, but really on, but like they were protected on that end. And they just seems to be like this lack of justice in these places. Yeah, lack of justice in these places. Yeah, lack of justice to the top CEOs of these companies. Absolutely. Yeah, they just move on and work somewhere else and do something.

Yeah. They're just like, we gotta sell this stuff. They're bust in the middlemen, really, who are just owning these pain clinics. When really, that was a legal thing for them to do. Right. Yeah. They were kind of like working around the law almost. And what's really sad about it ultimately is there are people that need that pain medication legitimately. And you know, it's got so much harder to get it. And I think the doctors now, a lot of them that prescribe it, are so concerned about misuse

that it makes it that much harder for people that really need it. It's kind of ruined for that. Well, and now if people want to get it, then they go to the black market and maybe now it's because it's so unregulated now and harder to get than now it just becomes laced with fentanyl, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, because it's a cheaper way to make it. If you haven't known anyone addicted to oxys, really?

Yeah, in high school, a few kids. Shit. Did they go downhill pretty quick? I had a, what's your effects? Well, I had a buddy who was, who was on oxys for, you know, he would buy him and go to parties and he'd have him. I, I was never into opioids. I didn't like that feeling of, of being so out of it that I can't even talk. Like it just is not a good feeling. But he ended up, uh, he ended up going into harder stuff and getting on heroin.

Oh, Jesus. It ended up killing him, yeah. Yeah, that was a buddy, mine in high school. He's that kind of a path that is seen in this area. Like maybe you can't get a whole of those pills anymore. So then you go the illegal route and it kind of works in that direction. I mean, for this guy I did, I'm sure there's plenty of others where that would happen if you wanted a bigger fix.

I mean, I've never done heroin, so I don't know the difference between heroin and oxycon. I've tried oxycon and I just felt worthless. You didn't even think. I just, you feel like you're going to melt into the couch, you know, like I couldn't even stand up. Huh. Like you're just, I mean, you're comfortable, yeah, it feels good, but I don't personally like the feeling of not being able to function.

Right. You know, you just like melt into the couch, yeah, it feels great, but then I want to get off the couch. Yeah, I can't get off the couch now. But I guess some people, you know, I mean, if it gives you a sense of kind of peace and relaxation or like some sort of euphoria, some people, you know, have, they feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Like they're living in their head and it's really difficult to deal with day-to-day's. living in their head and it's really difficult to deal with day to day's.

And now when something is available like this, it makes sense. People would jump into it. It just is heartbreaking in a way to know how many billions of dollars have been made of the backs of people getting addicted to the shit. Yeah. And the people selling it to them, the guys at the top of the level or at the top of the drug chain, they know that it's going to do this, but they don't care because they're greedy. Yeah.

And there's, yeah, I mean, how do you change that? I don't know. You can put more different regulations on it, which is what they're trying to do. Yeah, they've done that. I mean, you got to start somewhere, but it's like so much damage has already been done. And, you know, are we prosecuting the right people at that point?

The top end. I think it comes down to what Joe says a lot about having drugs available to people who need them, but you have to go, maybe it's a stricter process to get them, right? It's like everything could be legal, but in order to get them, you have to, you know, you got to go to the doctor. It's hard to get a prescription, you know, it's just more regulated. And then at least when you're buying something, you know that it's the actual drug instead of

something on the street, which you can't, I mean, unless people are testing their own drugs, you're never going to know. Yeah. Well, the problem with that sort of addiction, too, is that that drug is really difficult to get off. Like, it really hooks you, right? Right? And then what resources that we have for that, you can't even get eye-begin in this country, which can help people with addiction or has been shown to, if they go to an Mexico. Well, maybe they, maybe they talk about that in the movie. I don't know. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to watch the movie and see what the solution is, Adam. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to get to the bottom of

this. Hopefully we can, we can help make it change. My God. Yeah. I mean gosh she went through she's she's seen a lot of stuff man this this the crypto scam thing kind of stood out to me Yeah, you know those young kids that have made millions they go into the like crypto world meeting and Dubai and they basically just create those pyramid schemes and and and they basically just create those pyramid schemes and wipe it out. It's almost like that. What's the guy that just got in a lot of trouble? It was like TSX, or? Yeah, Saint was it Sam?

I don't know, I remember his mother was what Democratic, she raised the most money for the Democratic party. He was funneling a lot of the money into that. Or maybe STX, I think it was STX. Anyway, just the idea, then that's what's so scary about the idea of crypto. People get into it, they want the new currency that's gonna get big,

and they can just inflate these tokens, make them seem like they have a lot of value, get people's money in, and then just cut the these tokens, make them seem like they have a lot of value, get people's money in, and then just cut the market out right underneath them. I mean, it seems very illegal. I don't know how people are getting away with that, but is that just part of the unregulated world of crypto?

I think when it comes to crypto, not enough people know about it and understand how it actually works, so it's just easier for them to scam. And it's on a different market. It's not on the Dow, right? It's on like a different... Yeah, it's not like stocks and things. It's not like stocks, so you can get away with more of the... Oh, they talked about it in the 80s.

It changed. Robert Reich was talking about how in the 80s, they used to have more regulations on the stock market where you couldn't buy and sell things that you, that cut like companies couldn't sell their own stock back to the company, but now that you can do that,

and I think crypto is the same way, right? And I forget what it's called, but you buy shares in your own crypto to make it look like a ton of people are buying shares in that crypto stock. When really it's just one or two guys who basically own most of the crypto, they're just buying their own shares

to make it look like, holy shit, this is going up. Right. And then a ton of people buy into it. And then all of a sudden, they have millions and millions of dollars of crypto and then they can just steal it. Well, I didn't realize when she was saying that after Apple came out with the iPod, obviously they'd done a lot of R&D that cost a lot of money.

Then they release it and I always thought it was the iPod that really jumped their stock up, but it was Apple going back and buying a bunch of it. See, again, it's a kind of inflate that push it along. I guess these companies have been doing this stuff for a long time. Well, it's unregulated since the 80s. They used to not be able to do that. And it's like when Boeing did that during the pandemic, that was frustrating to me to see these airline companies getting bailed out and then turning around,

paying their CEOs a way too much money and then buying back stock into their own company. It just doesn't seem right to me. Well, I mean, especially for like regular folks like us, like if we wanna have some stuff of retirement, you know, we're thinking about planning and we're just, you know, you just go into the market and it's like there's so much fudging going on. You just don't know what to believe.

Yeah. Well, that's why I'm not buying crypto. What was the dude, the podcast guy last week, the original podcast. Adam Curry. Yeah, Adam Curry says only, yeah, the original podcast. Adam Curry. Yeah, Adam Curry says, only, yeah, the podfather, only by Bitcoin. Yeah, that's it. If you're gonna do any.

Yeah, if you're gonna get into crypto. Mm-hmm. Well, he had those 900 coins for a while, right? Or he was buying them a 900 bucks? Yeah, 900 bucks a pop. Yeah. So he would have been hundreds of millions today. What do you think about the baronnuckle fighting?

And they went into that for a while. Yeah, they did. They spent like an hour talking about fighting. Joe got all excited. Mm-hmm. Wouldn't stop talking about UFC and how baronnuckle fighting is, uh, what did he get into about how the leaders in barrenacle fighting and some of them are actually getting brought into the UFC? Right?

Yeah. And... Well, it's kind of how Dana White does it. I mean, he sees what takes off and the UFC is so big, they can kind of buy into these other organizations and whether he takes them over or they just kind of envelop them and then dissolve it. The WEC used to be a big one. It was like for the light awake classes. And the UFC just bought it and then took what fight as they wanted. And in a way, it's like a good way to get rid of some competition.

You can kind of position yourself like that. And now Dane has gone into a slap fighting where they just whack and he, which I think is just bonkers. It's like, I guess people are into it. It just seems so brutal. Yeah, I remember seeing that somebody's face. It looked like a fucking balloon. Yeah.

That was like on the debut of this thing coming out. And hey, maybe there's money to be made there. It's like whatever. You think you can get CTE from getting slapped? You could probably get CTE. Oh fuck yeah, of course you can. Absolutely. That's straight to your brain.

It's not like they're punching each other in the arms. And you know, they're not gonna miss. How hard is it? Does anyone miss? It's right in front of you. Slap them. It's interesting to think that the know, having no gloves on would actually help in that respect. Like you might not get hit as much if you have bare hands because you might break a finger, break your hand, whatever, right right so it actually could be helpful in that respect. When there's actually rules and you know paramedics on on board and it's not just some backyard fight right where

people are just getting completely annihilated and nothing is stopping them from beating the crap out of somebody but that was interesting me. I never thought about not having gloves on. I'm sure there's some pros and cons to it. I mean, you've got to hit differently, you know, you're more likely to break your hands, which really messes you up in a fight, of course. It seems like the damage, though, to the face is just gonna be so much worse, but saying that,

yeah, you can kind of pepper someone up with gloves on. Like it allows you to hit people more. Way more. Yeah. And I don't know. There's a glove punch. Is it all that much softer than a, than a, um, bare knuckle? I mean, people in the UFC get knocked out often with just one big punch. So, they're still coming in like rockets. It's brutal stuff, it's kind of difficult to watch the girls do the Bear Knuckle. I was seeing it, it just, it gets bloody fast, you know what I mean? Whatever the gambling stuff, I didn't realize that. Obviously, there was a lot of gambling is now in MMA in terms of, you know, just showing the odds for each fight. Like, you always see that when the fights are on. And then draft

kings is often sponsoring the UFC. So there's big money to be made, but I didn't think of the conflict of interest. I guess when Joe was early on, I don't know if it was sponsored through his podcast or what, some of the casinos didn't like when he was performing there, they didn't like that he was gambling. No, he was being sponsored by these companies

because it's technically like maybe they saw it as a conflict of interest Like he's getting pulled into it. I wonder if that made Joe take a bit of a step back with You know these gambling companies And what was it with poker because I we've known some people that Used to make their money gambling poker online and people did it for like a decade, but they put the caboch on that, right? They closed all that down. Oh, you can still gamble online.

Yeah, you can do it with poker. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I thought they kind of hit the nail on the head with that one and stopped it. Well, if they did, it must have been very recent. Well, back in, I think 2010, I knew this guy in Chicago, that he'd had almost a quarter of a million dollars of, of like winning seized by the FBI. And he was like in the middle of it then. And he was basically a professional online

poker player. Maybe the bets are just smaller. Might be. Yeah, they might be doing something different now. The only legal markets are in Nevada, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Michigan. Hmm. Huh.

So yeah, they probably just closed the down more. The I know that there's restrictions in Montana where we are. Yeah, crazy. You can't. I don't know if you can bet on the fights here. At least with the UFC. Crazy. How about those those underground poker games though? That sounded fun. I'm going to watch that episode for sure. That's a good way to end up in a dumb stuff. I just thought it was interesting how she realized that there's so much going on these black market, whether it's trafficking humans or, you know, trafficking guns or online, or excuse me,

a backyard underground poker games, underground poker games or backyard fights. There's so much that we don't even know about and it's going on all around us. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. It would be so interesting to know, you know, they like do the GDP of countries and then, you know, the total profit and loss of Apple or the value of Google,

I wonder what like the total black market value is in the world? Yeah, I bet it's way bigger than really any of those companies, you know, whether it's selling guns or I mean mean there's just so much profit in this stuff, like you could just never stop it for that reason alone. And now with the dark web and being able to buy this stuff online, you know, those ghost guns, printing guns, that stuff's wild. Yeah, and that's not going to stop anytime soon. Well, they're making those printers better. And then what does she say? You just buy a few of the pieces right and you put the rest of them There you go, you got a gun those little mini shotguns and you just melt it

Melted when you thumb up. Well, and speaking of the black market and having Joe's talked about this a few times, but they brought it up again How she actually went into one of these spots where people were growing weed on forest-service land. It was like some dude was randomly walking through the woods and sees this pipe, you know, in there. What was it, his friend who worked for the forest service? There was a creek that had just dried up and they didn't understand why.

And then all of a sudden they see these people have just been pulling water out of there and it's just a misdemeanor when they get caught now in California. But of course the black market's going to be bigger than because it's cheaper. You could buy weed for, you know, 35 bucks an eighth instead of 50 or 60 or more and then get taxed on it. When you go into the store and you got to get a card. I mean, I could see why people are, why the black market is even bigger still now that even when we'd legal in most of these states. Well, it's a bummer because the idea was, you know, make things legal and then the illegal market is reduced. But again, it's just a supply and demand and a cost benefit. It's like,

yeah, you get a misdemeanor, you'd lug all that stuff up into the forest land, you got free land, not paying taxes on it, you're not heavily regulated by the government. They were saying it's like three times bigger, the illegal market, than the legal market in California. Well, we shouldn't tax people so much then, and actually let them deal with real bank accounts rather than just cash. I mean, it's still just a cash only purchase Every time you go under dispenser you have to go to the ATM, but these states aren't gonna not want that

Tax revenue. Well then don't bitch about the black market Because they're getting tax like crazy, dude. That's why it costs, you know, X amount more for buying the same amount of weed you could on the black market. Now, is it safer probably? But really, who's lacing weed these days? Well, they use a lot of pretty nasty chemicals, you know, insecticides and pesticides and things because it's not getting checked and it's a good way to keep these plants going well so they just spray the shit out of it. That's had an issue in time. I mean, round up.

You don't want round up weed. You definitely don't want round up weed. No, what is it, glyphosate? Get that out. Get that out of your system. Don't do it people But yeah it Black markets are exploding. They're not going anywhere. Mm-hmm I'd like to go to one of these underground poker games. I suck at poker, but you get the VIP treatment amazing food

I wonder what the buy-in on some of those games are. Oh, huge. I'm sure that's the point of it. It's like 200 grand just to buy in who knows. I mean, but is it there's big money getting thrown around on those tables in no doubt you can make a break yourself, but well speaking of break yourself Melderick Taylor That was crazy to see the guy the boxer who Joe, he had that video of Melder Taylor from the 90s or maybe it was early 2000s. And then now, and the guy can hardly form a sentence and he's still out there boxing.

Yeah, that's heartbreaking. Like they just, everyone needs a friend like Joe in the fight game, I think. You know, someone that can tell you enough's enough. But it's all these guys do. It's all that it's their whole identity. True. And if you don't get a sweet gig as a commentator or a coach or something else, I mean,

they miss that limelight. Yeah. But seeing that type of damage, that's why it may weather such a legend. The fact that he just got out without barely taking any hits, Brain works fine, but some of these guys have just been in wars and it's clear brain damage. I mean, not being able to, and it's not just that they don't speak well, I mean, they're not thinking well. And also imagine the emotional toll because when you get a lot of CTE, that messes

with I guess your hormones and things, because people, they get bad tempas, oh, massive depression, anxiety. I mean, it's a brutal way to go. A brutal way to go out. What is it, 16 or 15? I think the average to get CTE is like 15 concussions or 16 concussions.

Is that what it is? But you still don't know. You could have one bad concussion and get that. I've actually heard that. It's almost like any major head trauma is something to be really worried about. Yeah, I wonder where they got that number, that 16. I don't know, probably from athletes, because it's easier to record those concussions.

They're just taking the average. Yeah, and just seeing what it's doing to people. I mean, there were some people that are really resilient to it as well. They've taken a lot of headshots, and been knocked out a lot, and they're not showing the same sign, so it's variable,

but definitely not recommended if you can stay away from it. Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever figure out, is it because of the amount of concussions or is it just in your DNA, right? It's like that thing in your DNA. What was that, the C2A03 or something that they found that genetic code in people's DNA and they're actually more accustomed to get CTEs

They have more likely to get it. Yeah, I mean the better those types of genetic task go, the better you know, individuals will be able to avoid certain things like this. I mean if you're a football player and you're good and it shows that you have a high likelihood of getting major CTE, it gives you some options, you know, at least gives you some information so you can change that up and not head down that road. Well, it says 17 right here. According to published research, 17 is the average number of concussions that leads to CTE. Jesus. This does not mean that a handful of concussions that leads to CTE. Jesus.

This does not mean that a handful of concussions in the absence of other hits to the head puts you at risk for CTE. Most diagnosed with CTE suffered hundreds or thousands of head impacts over the course of many years playing contact sports serving in the military. My God. It's a lot.

Yeah. Well, there's some research now, at least that you have seen doing it, that actually looks at, I think, psilocybin mainly, and different types of neutropics in mushrooms, and it can help regrow some synapses and kind of slow that process down, and maybe make a bit of a recovery. I mean, that's what the hope is, right? That we come up with not only minimizing that damage through more information and better safety protocols,

but then also having follow up treatments, maybe ways to reverse that type of damage. That's just right here, this hockey player, Riley Cote. He had an article in Rolling Stone, Can Psychedelics Help Treat Brain Injury. This X NHL player says yes. Huh, so he's turning to psilocybin to help his mind heal. Wow.

Huh, I wonder if you haven't had a bunch of head injuries if there's other benefits. It's like maybe everyone can heal a little bit from that. Well, you can heal from that. It looks like he's also into yoga. You know that's gonna help too, buddy. Yoga. Yeah, talking about the yoga today with brutal hot yoga, I do not recommend it.

If you like it good for you, it was a brutal first day. Yeah, look at that. It says, listen to ginsenglutin, DMT and magic mushrooms treat, help treat post-concussion symptoms. So your headaches, insomnia, depression, and possibly the degenerative brain condition known as CTE. Huh. Crazy. Well, we're at the beginning of them really exploring that.

So let's hope they lean into it. They just have to open it up so those tests can be done. That's always the problem with cellosibon and definitely DMT. I don't think there's any like, you know, FDA-approved research into that one. Well, now they have those pens that you can just hit that have DMT in them. That's crazy. Scary. He just being like aisle four of Walmart. You're like, hold on, I just got to go talk to the aliens. Make sure I'm buying the right TV. Well, speaking of TV, traffic is a cool show. I'm excited to watch more.

I want to watch the big one that really hit me was the sale of illegal sale of human organs. Just the idea of all of it. Right. Just thinking that people are getting mutilated. Or pressured to sell because they're so poor. But then on the other end of it, this isn't just like people trying to get a whole of cocaine for a nice party. It's like the people that are

receiving these organs illegally are being able to stay alive or their kids are or that's a tough, you would do anything for your child. Yeah, it's a tough, ethical situation to be in. I mean, you give somebody the resources, right? Somebody with a lot of money. Elon Musk, say, and he's faced with one of his kids having like a terminal illness and they can't, you know, in the regular market,

you're just waiting for your liver, whatever, and there's just because of the system we have and the shortage of livers and how can't, you know, in the regular market, you're just waiting for your level or whatever, and there's just because of the system we have and the shortage of livers and how it works, can't get one. I mean, could you honestly expect the richest man in the world not to figure out a way to get something? You're gonna turn to the black market real quick. You would imagine how it's gonna get it. Yeah, it's not like they're walking around scanning

everyone's liver just to see what the serial number is where'd you get this one hmm that that's that's a difficult one i think really in a lot of ways anyone in that position would really struggle

well it brings back the idea that mariana felt for these people that she's talking to. And that one specifically, oh, there was another one about women too who were going to who are being impregnated. Oh gosh, what is that called when somebody else has a child for you? Yeah, a serigant. Yeah, a serigant mother. And so where did she say that was? There was a, there's a whole episode that she did about

surrogate mothers and how it's illegal in some countries, but I mean, look, if you want a kid, you're gonna go just like you would if your kid needed a liver. You're gonna go to wherever you need to go to get a kid. Right? Could you not just do it in countries? If you don't want to do it in countries?

Yeah, could you not just do it in countries where it is legal and then bring the kid over? I guess probably not, right? I think that was the whole point. Hold on. It's just way more expensive to do it in the States. Sure. Let's see. I'm going to look this up. Do it. Yeah, I'm gonna look this up. Do it. Yeah, I'm not. They need to figure out a way to basically grow lab organs. I think that's a thing that we need to get good at and we need to do it fast. Oh, it's coming, dude. It's gotta be.

Oh, absolutely. Here we go. Well, we've got pimps and undercover cops. I haven't seen that one yet either. Yeah, that's a messy business. Lot of cops sleeping with prostitutes. Okay, so it was in Ukraine. Ukraine is a popular place for surrogate mothers,

season three of traffic with Maryary on a vanzilla premieres um... i think the other issue was that some people will joe was saying how his friend he he had a couple of um gay friends who had a surrogate mother and the mother ended up keeping the baby right it's like they went through the whole thing she had the baby and then she wanted to keep it. You can't keep the mother from doing that. It's her baby. It makes sense.

Even if it's the other dude's sperm, it's still hers. I wonder if they, I wonder what the legality is then, like if that couple, because it's his sperm, has to pay child support. Ooh, yeah. Yeah, you'd hope that you'd write that in the contract, just in case. Well, it doesn't say much about it.

Just says this season, digging into the illegal trade of organs, LSD, ghost guns, cyber pirates, MDMA, gangs, terrorist oil. Oh, that was another one we didn't go over. The terrorist oil is crazy. Terror terrorist oil. Oh, that was another one we didn't go over the terrorist oil is crazy terrorist oil I mean if you think about what terrorists need more than anything. I was thinking maybe guns. No, it's oil, dude Mm-hmm and then black market babies

Hmm What's You got to take a minute before you watch this show as well. I mean, it's already stressing me out just thinking about it. But again, it's so important. It's like the more exposure these types of things get, you know, people get outraged and then that's how you make changes, at least positive changes. You can say no.

So we're not fucking doing this anymore. We've got to stay away from it. All right. So it, okay, I found it. It says she went to Ukraine to research the surrogate mothers. We met a couple. We meet a couple who started the process, but due to the war, we're unable to be present during the pregnancy. The couple then enters the war impacted country and we get to witness them meeting

their child for the first time. Wow. no downside, just pure parental joy and a nice respite from Black market organs. Oh God. Wow. Well, anyway, tune in, watch traffic. It's a great show. It's important. She keeps doing this work. Hopefully she always stays safe with it all. I'd like to think that the more season she's done and the more exposure she gets, she's well protected. I'm sure with her husband on the crew, they're taking the precautions that are necessary. But I don't feel like she's gonna run out of stories.

Well, Kudos to Mariana because what a cool, amazing job she's doing. And she obviously likes the job. She loves the job. Yeah, she's really good at it. So yeah, that premiered a month ago, just started. And that's on Nageo. Yep. Nageo. You can watch it on Hulu.'s on. And that's on. And that's on. And that's on.

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