Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 315 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Matt Taibbi Et al.

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

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Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE review, doing a longer, deeper dive into the Matt Taibi conversation. There's so much in there. We got some highlights. What do we got, Todd? A few highlights for me. We're talking about the Governor Whitmer case, Epstein files. Where are they?

Why does nobody care about them anymore? And our fact-checking website's legit, that's a few of many. And also the Twitter files, how search engines are suppressing searches, and then good old council culture, the effects, and how to survive it. Let's start the show.

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Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. Might be to be the worst but casual the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. He opened up hard with the Twitter files. I mean, you know, Matt's taken what sounds like a pretty deep dive into those. Yeah, and why is no one talking about him other than independent journalists? I mean, is anyone else talking about it other than Matt Tavy?

Not enough people. Come on, this is a huge story. I wonder what? It's massive. Like, what is it just because ultimately they're worried that it kind of leans against some sort of bias that benefited media in the first place. Well, I think throughout this entire conversation we learn exactly why it's not part of the mainstream media and that is because the mainstream media has an agenda that is not about truth

anymore. Sad enough, I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But you would think they also, they're trying to sell whatever they're saying. They want people to tune in. And surely people would be interested in that, especially with like kind of a collusion where government intelligence agencies have been, you know, almost in bed with these

social media companies. You would absolutely think that it would be a huge story and I don't know the reason why is Is it because of the people paying for advertisement on mainstream media? Hmm. Is it because The government is also paying mainstream media if they're paying Twitter off? Why wouldn't they be paying CNN or CNN, MSNBC or Fox or any of these other companies? It's the same thing, right? Yeah, that seems like a bit of a conflict of interest right now. I mean, it's a huge one.

But if they're paying off Twitter, we know this now from these Twitter files. Why wouldn't they be paying off any other news conglomerate? It's the same thing. It's just not social media. We're still watching it, right? Yeah. Where are those files? Where are those files, bro?

Probably is someone's cool, that. It is crazy how out of touch the mainstream media is. And I love hearing Joe Rogan talk about how it's, I mean, it's a burning building, man. It's really, I feel like it's going to come crashing down soon. But, you know, maybe it won't. Maybe it'll go another five years or so. But I feel like it's about to crash and burn because people do not trust the system anymore. They're just left and right. Well, I like an important point. The joke kind of hits on and Matt backed up is like, take CNN, for example. The viewership numbers are in the toilet. Yeah, right? They've

just been crashing ever since Trump got out of office. They also made CNN plus, or whatever their subscription thing was, there was a complete failing cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Like, why would anyone pay for something that nobody wants to watch for free or very few people watch? Then they have giant buildings in multiple cities. How do they pay for that? Where is the money coming from? I mean, people are obviously still advertising with them, but it must all be based on viewership numbers. And they've ads just must not be worth anything what they were. Yeah, I mean, I don't know enough about the numbers, but I do know that a lot of people are going to these independent sources now. And these independent sources seem to me a lot more legit and a lot more honest. Yeah, they just seem more reasonable, you know, in a lot of ways.

I mean, they talked about how you can't have a Republican and a independent or even a, you know, any sort of conflicting ideas with two different people having a conversation like Sagar and Crystal, right? With talking points. That's an independent thing. It's great to see two people have, you know, different ideologies politically, but also be able to come to agreements, also be able to just have a debate. You don't see that with mainstream media anymore.

You just don't. And if it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, they purposely have, you know, someone like Hannity, right, which they talk about, how Hannity is just this strong American patriot who is a conservative and he makes the, you know, the other guy look like Oh, we calms calms look like this week, you know liberal who no one wants to

No one's looking up to yeah, they do that on purpose that that was an odd show for sure And it just goes to show that there's an agenda right It just goes to show that there's an agenda, right? So that's crazy. I mean, they don't want to show people getting along that are also well-informed and, you know, have different opposing ideologies and politics. But I think in a lot of ways that that's helpful to see that, you know, to understand a different point of view. There's so many echo chambers that you got to be careful not to fall into. And I see it so much with my friends. And they're just like moving further and further

one way on the political spectrum. And you know, you get into conversations, I get into conversations with them. And it's like they're just, they just laugh at anything that isn't 100% what they believe. And they defend it like they work for either the president or the other party. And don't you think that has a lot to do with what they're watching, whether it's Fox news on one side or CNN on the other? Yeah, of course. I mean, that's a big part do with what they're watching, whether it's Fox News on one side or CNN on the other. Yeah, of course, I mean, that's a big part of it, but is that exclusively why? I mean, I can watch things and I don't just get pulled.

That's true. Like rampantly to one side or another. In fact, I can hear a lot of the same story and still be suspicious of it. I can still go, wait a second, this just doesn't add up. And then you know, you kind of get paraded for it. It's like, wow, but that's what all the scientists said, or that's what everyone on this side is saying.

It's like, okay, but I'm not required to agree. Right, I just wanna know what's going on. I just wanna be open-minded. What happened to people being open-minded not allowed to be got to be closed minded now talk come on twenty twenty three wake up well and then go to sleep let's on a on a positive note here let's let's look at taeves subscribers he's got thirty thousand subscribers on his sub stack, they're paying 50 bucks a year. That's 1.5 million. Go Matt Taiyuevi. Well done, sir. What's up? Well done. That is freaking amazing. That's

the new media. Get out there, do your own thing. Yeah, subscribe. 50 bucks is not that much. For a year. No, it's not much. Dude, and you're getting high quality, you know, news articles written from somebody, written by somebody who doesn't have to listen to a boss anymore. He's just, he's just creating independent journalism. And even he says he's not always going to be right. He had a few articles that he wrote back in the day and then, you know, realize that it didn't make sense and he was wrong and wrote something else and apologized about it. That's good. Right. Take some ownership. Take some

accountability. I mean, I can trust somebody like that. In a lot of ways, I'd be happy to trust somebody that is, you know, wrong often but puts his neck out there and is willing to adjust. And that also tells you something important. Even when you're reading from maybe Matt's sub-stack and you know, something just doesn't sit with you, it's okay. You don't have to 100% agree with him because maybe later he adjusts his stance on it and it's different. But he's giving you an update. He's telling you what he is researched and looked into what he believes. And you take it for what it is.

It's like, I think it just gets dangerous when people outsource their own ability to think with what the news is telling them. That's where it gets scary. Because then it's just mind control. Well you look at what happened with Matt at Rolling Stone i mean he was one of their most brilliant writers for what fifteen twenty years and a while. Long time and as soon as he was trying to report something about rush a gate and talking about. trying to report something about Russia Gate and talking about, you know, maybe these aren't bots. Maybe what's happening is not from Russia and it's from something else. And he started

questioning these things and Rolling Stone didn't want to print it. And I think that was kind of the beginning of the end for him working under somebody else, right? And now he's getting, you know, on the New Yorker, or New York mag.com, they're saying, what happened to Matt Teibi, the former darling of the liberal media is now one of its loudest critics. He says he hasn't changed. Well, I don't think he's changed.

They're trying to portray him as somebody who's turned against his own party. He hasn't. He's still just an honest dude. He's still liberal. But they're trying to paint this picture of him like he went fucking nuts. Because that's easy to do. Right. But what to Joe's point during a lot of this conversation is like, that's what's ruining the media. They're actually by saying these things now and by braiding him and saying that he's one thing when he's not, it's actually going to be the downfall

of mainstream media. Well, to your point, you know what's going to be like a huge wake up call for some people, is when the left starts calling Bill Maa, you know. Bill Maa, like a far right guy. Which they probably will, even though he's nowhere near it. Some may have started, but you know, he's been speaking out on his HBO show for some time about certain aspects of things his party, which he loves, has represented

heavily with comedy for two decades or more. And he just has some gripes. And he's like, this is a problem. We need to stop doing this. Yeah. Well, do you think Bill Marr is more concerned about just the things that are being focused on in the Democratic party these days. Yeah, he thinks that he doesn't feel are important or the things that are on the top of the list.

It's what it seems like, focusing way too much on that and, you know, things happening at universities. But it's not like anyone's focusing so much on what's happening in the universities is just led into this like woke everything and he brings it back to where is the source, where is this starting? Well, it's sad that actually, you know what, I take that back. I don't think it's sad. I think this new form of journalism, this independent media, it's where it's at,

it's where it's going. It's just gonna destroy the big time guys, and I feel like they know it, and they're scrambling because if you wanna be a journalist nowadays, unless you wanna just listen to to your boss and you have this top down hierarchy of people telling you what to do. Okay, then go work for mainstream media because that's what it is now. You don't have the old school type of journalism that we had in the 70s where people are reporting

on real stuff, right? Like the New York Times was respected. Is it anymore? I don't know. I don't read it. Well, something that Joe said is like these news broadcasts that is in journalist today almost just spokespeople of the narrative. So you know, they don't get to be honest with themselves.

And then Matt makes the comparison, the Rachel Maddow is basically the same thing as like a billow rightly. Yeah. Right? They do it in the same way. They make strong arguments that are like when I say strong, it's like from their political end. It's like, this is the fact. Right. Everyone else is dumb. And they, you never hear any of those types of pundits just be like, Oh, actually, you know, the other party had a pretty good point the other week. Because that, the fear of doing that, you almost get trapped in your own speech. But don't we know that it's already scripted?

I mean, does Rachel Maddow is that really her individual talking points? Are those really hers? She's no. Okay, no. Just like on the other end, below Riley, he's not even around anymore, but when he was, when he had a show,

were those really his talking points? I mean, that guy's a fucking lunatic, sorry. He's not even around anymore, but when he was when he had a show Were those really his talking points? I mean that guy's a fucking lunatic. Sorry. Yeah, well they just have writers Exactly and they just reading a prompt and you know probably though at like did smoothie dinner parties and when they're out and Hobbnau being and maybe doing private speeches places that you know that he they're gonna sound the same. So maybe even if originally they had more independent thought, they probably just train themselves into this spokesperson for a party. And it's like, that's all they do. Everything they say is pro that. And to even suggest that they would have a different opinion, jeopardizes everything that they are.

That's just sad. It's not who I want to listen to. It's not the type of news I want to get. You know, it's worrying. It really is. Yeah, man. But again, on the positive note, I'll keep saying it, this independent journalism

is things like Sub-Stack are changing that narrative. And people are able to make money off of subscribers and get to actually be journalists again. We just have to get more people to subscribe to Sub-Stack and go on to these other, what's the one that Russell Brands on? Humble, bumble, bumble, okay. I haven't checked that out yet. Yeah, but again, that's a subscriber-based platform, right? Mm-hmm. And you know Sam Harris did the same thing. It's like he takes no ads and he's on no major

Platforms he only gives like an hour of his podcast, everything else is through his website, and you either pay him to find out what he's saying, or you don't, and there we go. That's what's awesome. And it's cool that he still gives you an hour too, because he doesn't really want to pay wall, but it's his way of staying separate from, you know, at least payment precious. I guess the only fear there is eventually you panned it to your own audience, which ultimately over time might just be the same thing

to some degree, but there's always some time. You've got time to kind of, and more freedom to kind of stay in your pocket. And by then, there be new media people doing it. Like, I like the idea that there is energy to push in this direction of independent media. Hell yeah. Well, okay, so let's go through our talking points here. So your second talking points, search engines engines this one was freaking scary and I opening dude. I've kind of stop using Google

Are you using duck dog go now? I have been yeah, I like that one and you know, it is interesting like I do notice a Difference with the searches. It's almost like when I search for certain things in Google, I already am perceiving what kind of results I'm going to get and it lines up. And then when you go to dot, dot, dot, dot, go and write it in, you get it, it's across the board. It's all different things. Yeah.

It's like, you know, I mean, no, I tried it out. You can just, you can, it's usually always political, right? And there's a bias in there, you know, or something with COVID, things like that. You do it in duck.go, and you just get stories from all over the place. Well, Grogon was talking about the guy

who had adverse the Florida doctor, who had adverse reactions to the vaccine. He Googled it, nothing showed up. And then he ducked out, go it. And there you go, he saw the story. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Yeah, and that was a while ago.

You know, ducked out goes improved quite a lot. And there's something to that. I mean, it doesn't just necessarily mean, oh, only use that platform for certain types of searches as well. I think it's beneficial in a lot of ways to kind of start using them across the board. I think it's just interesting to use both of them and see the different subjects you get. That's really the best way to do it is you know search both and then check out kind of what came up and notice the difference. What's weird too on the Google one often is

go to the news and I won't even type anything. I just go to news and see what kind of news that it pops up for me. And it's just interesting to see what they decide is the most important thing that I should be paying attention to. And it's often just realistically, so unimportant half of it. It's just some sort of like political squabble or, you know, something about a document here and there. It's, you know, you can even write in Twitter files and there be articles about what it is, but it nothing

gets to the meat of it. Well, that brings up the Wikipedia thing. So it's actually showing up on Wikipedia now. Oh the Twitter files. Yeah. Who? So I was under the impression that it wasn't showing up according to their talk, but maybe Does it say when it was like last edited? Let's see. They may have just put it off. I was gonna say, I mean, when you just gone up after this time. 13 million listens have gone out on a podcast. Well, because now there's a shit ton of stuff

about the Twitter files on here. So this, this, let's see. Oh, that, that, that, that, that. Yeah, that was disappointing to hear, but, you know, I guess to some degree, maybe Wikipedia has to have certain rules, right? And they're going off maybe a slightly older system, being that, oh, it needs to be a story that's been heavily vetted by mainstream media before we can make an official page about

it. Well, I said, that was the 21st of February, sorry. Ooh, today. But those pages do get tweaked every day, so it's hard to tell when all that was added. I wish we had checked right after the Rogan show. Right? Wow, well, it's up there now. So that's cool.

There we go, and check it out. Check it out if you dare. If you dare. What about the Epstein list? Come on. Well, here's the problem with most people in America. We all suffer from amnesia and we don't remember that things are important and we move on to the next thing. It's like we all see squirrels every five minutes and we forget about these crazy things that have happened in the news and it's insane that we don't have people freaking out about this anymore. I mean, it's unreal. There's no way that guy killed himself in jail. It's already been, I mean, didn't they already say that he was strangled?

There was no way that that was from what a bed sheet that he hung himself from a bed sheet. That was the story. And the guy who did the autopsy said that there's no way that it was a strangulation, right? Mm-hmm. But the camera somehow... Oh, that was broken.

Was broken. I mean, there's just so much that's iffy about that story. And... Well, it was either really good luck for everybody involved. No. Or... They did it. I mean, it almost seems so obvious it was like comical.

But- Well, isn't the gal that was with him, oh gosh, what was her name, Margot? Oh, Jolaine, Maxwell. Maxwell, yeah, isn't she on trial right now? She is. And they, you know, they haven't said much about, I mean, they really haven't.

That hasn't been in the news, has it? It was, it was a bit here and that, but not kind of the same. Sentent, oh, no, no, sentence to 20 years in prison. Wait, that was on June 28th. Okay. Hold on. Anyway, we're getting a little off topic here, but yeah, it's crazy. You know, we have some names on that list now. off topic here, but yeah, we have, you know, we have some names on that list now. I mean, let's see what it says. Okay, who flew on Epstein's plane? Well, first, top of the list, Newsweek put Trump, then Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, Robert Kennedy, Junior, Senator John Golan, the Senator majority leader, George Mitchell.

I mean, I'm sure the list is much longer, but I guess there's a list now. So there you go. Yeah. But I mean, I guess the question really, that should be in order of how many times people did and how recently it's like. Yeah, I mean, look, again, we're just, we're not getting the real news. I mean, who on sub-stack is reporting this? Let's find out who's reporting this on sub-stack.

Is there somebody who's actually digging into this stuff? We don't know. Because we're not seeing on mainstream media. Yeah. All right, what else do we have? Cancel culture. Cancel culture? Well, I mean, the big one, they talk about, you know, how Joe had to navigate that.

I mean, he's a prime example. Now, he's some of them made it through and gained two million subscribers. And then, um, who was the one guy I forget, but he said potentially the free press the Rogan had could have been worth something in the range of like 300 million dollars. Oh yeah, because he got so much press that was bad, which actually ended up being good. Yeah. Yeah. Press is press man. Well, they say that right? Yeah. Even bad press is good press. Absolutely. Because you're in your in people's heads. Mm-hmm. They want to they want to look at what you're doing regardless.

But I mean, that helped Joe out massively, to be honest. I mean, huge spike. And that's the thing about cancel coaches, people are learning now how to navigate it. It's not as powerful as people thought, depending on what it is, obviously. But when it's a blatant attack, I mean, it almost is making these people stronger.

What did you think about this whole governor Whitmer? I have that down as one of the talking points. I know they didn't go over it a ton, but Rogan has brought this up several times. How 12 of the 14 people in that case were actually FBI informants. How is this not getting talked about? Still, I mean, has this ever been really in the media? Like, what, these poor guys, these two guys, and I'm not saying what they did was right,

I think it's fucked up, but they were clearly influenced by people working in our own government. What is the point of our tax dollars going to this? I just don't get it. Yeah. It's like entrapment cases with, you know, people that have gone on jail for marijuana. And then basically all the police have done

is like supply them with a big amount of drugs and then arrest them right afterwards. Right. It was like, yeah, maybe they could have done. I mean, what are you arresting people? Therefore that they have like fragile moral compass. Yeah. I've always coined the one that about those shows that they have those cars. What do they call where they leave a car? And, you know, it's like unlocked. Oh, and they wait for somebody to go on and steal those kind of cars.

I don't know my past pass out drunk in it. No, they just get in and drive off and then the car shut off. And it's like, yeah, okay. So these guys, this guy stole the car for sure, but you know, you really enticed him to do it. It's, there's got to be a line there that you got a drone and it gets a bit dangerous. Yeah, a lot of free candy in those cars. I don't know man. It's just seems like we should be using our tax dollars for more important things. I mean,

we could go on and on about that. Well, it's not like we're running out of criminals. Just go catch the ones that have already committed the crimes. Right, you don't have to make new crimes. Right, you don't have to make new crimes. But we try to make it for these cops. And what about, dude, the fact checking websites, okay? Oh, this is good. I view snopes.

I didn't realize it was super left leaning. I typically am a pretty liberal dude, but I'm also very open-minded. You could change my mind. I'm all about a debate. Doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that if these things are biased, what the fuck is the point of having a fact-checking website

if it's biased? How it like, what? I guess the question is I know. How guess the question is how do we know? How do we know? It's difficult, right? Because because yeah, how do you, how do you monitor that? Right? So there's, there's one option.

What you could do is create like an average of all the fact check insights and see what the average is. But again, if the majority of them lean one way politically, then all that it be is a higher average in that direction. It's just slippery that way. Well, yeah, and how do you know? I mean, we've got, I mean, there's a ton of them. There's factcheck.org, there's snopes, there's PoliDefact, Washington Post, Fact Checker,

SciCheck, FlakCheck. Yeah, I mean, you would think there would be one that kind of, that looks through all of these, like some sort of algorithm that would go through all of these sites, right, that gives you some of the unbiased. So they've already shown the chat, GBT, for whatever reason has been programmed to be biased under certain conditions. So this has already been written into the program to some degree. That's cool. Yeah, I like that because we're gonna need it.

For example, so I have this good friend, Trevor. Love this guy, I've known him forever. And I respect his opinion. He will send me, it will make a point and then send me like a fact check thing. And then it's like, well, this is facts. And I get what he's doing and make sense. It's like, how can we know a fact then

or what could be potentially a fact? However, it's like, it still doesn't make it more of a fact if it is coming from a fact check in place that might be biased. That's inherently now. Is it the most correct over anything else that you can figure out? I don't know. I just honestly do feel like people are outsourcing their ability to make their own decisions to these biased systems.

And it's not that you won't have your own biases, but at least the cheers, at least you can be reassessing it and you don't have to just believe something that you've been fed. Yeah, man. I mean, we definitely need to figure out why or how to fact check the fact check the fact checkers, right?

Maybe AI is the answer to that. It's been under fire. I mean, I'm looking at this article right now from NPR in 2012, political fact checking under fire. We're talking 13 years ago, 12 years ago. We're talking 13 years ago, 12 years ago. Yeah, we're talking about this. So what intrigues me about AI is the idea that you could potentially write in a program that teaches it how to be unbiased. So even though it's connecting a lot of information, it could categorize it all, maybe even spot some of the potential biases and make a more neutral

response to it. It could like weed through those things for us potentially. Oh, absolutely. But again, we've already seen that there's a built-in bias. So what does that mean? And this is just in this country. I was thinking about this the other day. If there's already a political bias in these AIs right now, so we're not getting the whole story, you know, which we already know is happening. Yeah, well, we've seen it. Yeah. So imagine what it's like in other countries. Imagine if you're from, you know, you're just a person grown up in China, right? It's not your fault that you country behaves the way it does politically and you're just trying to live your life

and you're just trying to get some information about, you know, how things in China perceived, while you make decisions about how to continue living. So you check with the AI system, and it's made by companies that are primarily American, maybe, or Western. And they're going to have some answer that doesn't really help you make any decisions.

Maybe it's like super anti-Chinese. And... Well, I don't even think you'd be able to use the fact-checking thing in China. Yeah, well, they can't really get on the internet, but that's not the point. It's just like the point that something, you know, a country so far away

that is just trying to get information about how, you know, their own government works. And is there any benefit maybe to that government, even though it is often corrupt or et cetera, et cetera. And it just gives them nothing, but like, no, corrupt, it's not gonna work, that's a mass, like no positives, because of these built in biases.

I don't know how you work around it. I mean, there's no way I could work on that committee. I'm far too dumb for that. Well, and another talking point here that I have on our list is, I didn't realize that PayPal could freeze your account. Talk about PayPal freezing your account. Yeah.

What? Seriously. What is going on, man? That all like, charge you a fine. Yeah. Now, how does going on man? That all like charge you a fine. Yeah. Now, how does that even work and why are they even getting into? What is this like on the chat rooms in PayPal? Like, how is a bank even getting involved in things like this?

It just seems like we're overstepping our boundaries here. I mean, PayPal is used to send money to places via the internet. Why is PayPal freezing people's accounts? It says it's face, this is a month ago. PayPal faces lawsuit for freezing customer accounts and funds. lawsuit for freezing customer accounts and funds. Let's see if it says why. It would not tell them why their funds have been frozen. The plaintiff said in their complaint. Let's see, had been a paypal user for 22 years said the website sees $26,984 from her account six months ago. So this just happened. Another guy, another $42,000 seized, it doesn't really say how or why. Did they give it back? I don't know. It looks like this is an ongoing case right now. This poker player, some random poker player,

Chris Moneymaker, a good name for a poker player, freezing their funds for six months. Yeah, sorry, it doesn't really say why. So yeah, there's... That seems like a terrible precedent though. It's slippery slope, especially because wasn't Elon one of the co-founders of that originally. That was like one of his first businesses. Yeah, yeah. And now that he's gone and trying to represent free speech in Twitter that this company that he left it,

it shouldn't have anything to do with it at all. They're just a bank, right? It's basically like the first Venmo, but honestly doesn't work as well as Venmo. Yeah, I mean, look, a lot of this stuff seems legit, right? You have an abnormally large amount of money in your account. It's way above your average. Someone has filed a complaint against your business,

series of chargebacks. Your website has questionable content. Your account is not up to date. Someone has logged into your pay-bell account. So a lot of these are probably legit. But what they were talking about was more of a freedom of speech thing. It's like because they were selling certain things,

they weren't able to, you know, their account was frozen or whatever, because maybe PayPal didn't like what they were selling, right? So there's some bias there for sure. Well, this kind of goes back into the Canadian trucker thing. Oh, right. Yeah. So you got these truckers that decide they don't want to have the vaccine, you know, like mandatory in order to do their jobs. And that's their right. Also, they're in a truck on their own, most of the day. It's like they're pretty secluded people and their bank account for frozen right?

Well, so people were supporting the the protests and Giving Bitcoin and other things and basically funding it because the these people weren't working while they were Protests thing and in order to keep the protest going people needed money they needed to get paid and You know it'll like I guess in the same way the Black Lives Matter was funded so that they could keep that, you know, movement going, which I think ultimately turned into quite a lot of misuse of funds as people were just buying houses and not really representing the cause at all. And I don't know if that was happening exactly on the trucker's side if people ended up just buying new trucks and making a lot of money off it, but it seemed like early on, they've

just tried a protest. Trudeau was really calling them saying that it was all about hate speech and I think even making references to like extremist groups and saying that they were massively disruptive. This scariest part was, you know, what a protest is. It's like to speak out about the government's behavior. And he and Trudeau is even saying, well, you know, we support protests as long as they don't Speak against the narratives that we're trying to put down. Well, he was saying it was an insult to truth which is so far from the truth

That's I mean Trudeau calls trucker protest an insult to truth is what he said hmm Well, he's an insult to protest this then. Look, if you're a president or a prime minister, or you have that sort of power, and you're saying that protests are an insult to truth, that is sickening because I don't care who you are, protests are what this country was founded on. I don't know about Canada.

I'm talking about United States of America here without us protesting against England, which is your favorite country. Well, controversial. Anyway, if like, come on, man, that's freedom. That's freedom. You speak your own voice.

And I was surprised to see Trudeau do that because I used to think Trudeau was a good guy. Look, and I think this happens with a lot of politicians. Is they wear blackface too many times? Well, I just, I personally, this wasn't that long ago where I respected the man, but after he says something like that to these protesters, come on, man. That just like shows your cards.

You're really, for you to say that, that's such a judgment of character that is so beyond cool. I mean, these people are just doing what they think is right. Whether you believe in what the truckers were doing or not, that is their right to stand up against what they believe. And there's rules that's protesting, right? You can't have violent protests. No, they won't be in fashion stuff up. But you are allowed to disagree to any level that you want

as long as it's within the realm of the legal requirements of a protest. Then it sounded like that was it. I mean, maybe blocking roads goes outside of that. That was a little much. It was a little much, you know. But they want smashing up all the buildings. And we've seen protests that have done that recently.

They want really closed down. It's a tricky one, man. All right. Well, I want somebody on Substerect to tell me how much Pfizer was paying Trudeau. Okay. I'm just going to go there. Oh, like direct payments. All right, well, I want somebody on Substerect to tell me how much Pfizer was paying true, though. Okay, I'm just going to go there. Oh, like direct payments. We see how many houses he has.

Oh, man. It's just a shame. I mean, it's a shame, but look, again, these independent media sites are going to change all of this. We just need to, we need to start following this stuff because mainstream media is not giving us the truth. They haven't been for a long time. And this is another, finally figuring it out.

This is another problem. And Sam Harris actually had a post on, I think, his Instagram today talking about how, you know, there's like this new push ever since COVID for people to do their own research. Yeah, obviously good. That's problematic because people aren't necessarily doing research. They're just seeing, you know, hit pieces and jump in a conclusions and going against narrative. So yeah, which is dangerous. That is dangerous. Because then it's like,

who do you believe in? And it's almost training people to turn away from the professionals, which I completely understand is inherently a problem. But at the same point, if you just sit there and you're in Canada and you're listening to Qdo and you're like, well, this is the government saying this. So those protesters must be bad. We'll hold on. It's like, we're like, well, this is the government saying this. So those protestors must be bad. Well, hold on. It's like we're in murky waters now when it comes to information. It's almost like we have too much and we don't know where to look. Absolutely. But does it mean that you stop trying? I think it says go back to your gut more. And you have to work a little bit harder to find what's true and what's not, right? And I don't know if we ever do. And also it comes back to this new idea that we actually, and this isn't a new idea, we actually have a lot more

in common than we think we do if we just stop watching the mainstream media. They want us to fight each other. When really if we sat down and had a whiskey or a beer or a coffee or whatever you drank tea and you sat down and you had a conversation with somebody whether you agree with them or not, if you just sat down and talk to them as a human, you're gonna find out that there's a lot more similarities than differences across the board. I think that's a great conclusion to this one.

Yeah, buddy. You know, that's what ultimately we need more of. And maybe that does mean like disconnecting a little bit from a lot of the mainstream news. It doesn't mean don't be informed, right? You want to know what's going on, but carefully pick what you lean into and try and spot those biases that are probably you're being fed is carefully as possible. And also those damn echo chambers. Like listen, if you're a Democrat and even far left, have some Republican friends.

Find some, make some friends of them, try and have a conversation. The other way round is also true. Try and do that. I mean, they recommend that with, you see that guy that talked, who was the black musician that talked the KKK guys from leaving the group? Oh, right. Yeah, he's been on Rogan a bunch of times. Love that guy, great documentary too.

Yeah, it was a good doc. Yeah, I feel bad that I forget his name, but that's exactly it. It's like lean into even your own potential biases and have a conversation on the other side and get an understanding. Daryl Davis. Daryl G'dayr, it's love that guy. You don't have to be concerned on the other side and get an understanding. David. David, David.

David's love that guy. You don't have to be concerned that it's going to make you one of the bad things that you hate, but you'll get a better perspective and a better understanding of it. Yeah. And you know what? Thanksgiving dinner can have some political talks, okay? Be careful. Don't do it on that day and do it before the

whiskey comes out. If you don't have friends that are Republican or liberal, depending on what side you're on, I know your mother and father-in-law probably will be part of that conversation. Love that. All right. Well, thanks for tuning in. This week, we just want to say a big thanks to you guys. We just hit a million downloads a month. That's a big deal for us. That's awesome. Keep it going. We really appreciate you and talk to you later in the week.

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