Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 321 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Andrew Huberman Et al.

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

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Pero ¿cómo es posible que sean las tres de la tarde? ¿Qué lleves casi una hora de atascote? ¿Qué de todo el camino por delante? ¿Y tú estas ahí dan tranquila a tus cosas? ¿Cómo si te deseo todo igual? ¿Cómo es posible? Vamos. Que tú vas a trabajar no estás lleno, ¿no? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh?

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Y bienvenidos a otro episodio de la JRE Review. Mi nombre es Adam. Yo soy joined por mi cojo Tod. T-O-D-D. Hoy tenemos Andrew Huberman. ¡A lot of notes! smart guy, so good. David Boss, he's interesting, nice character. And if we have time, we'll finish it up with some Andrew Schultz.

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. Might be the worst podcast with the best one. One, go. Enjoy the show. Let's go, indeed. I forgot to unmute it, so that was a few seconds of me being an idiot. What a great start.

But let's go. Let's go. Huber man, Hubert dog. Hubert dog. The lab man. Yeah. First off, I want to give a shout out to John Rodriguez, who took the time to email us to say that he hates the show. Nice. Yep. And what did he say that was really pretty excellent?

Oh, monotone. What? Yep. Just boring. Which one? Which one was really pretty excellent? Oh, monotone. What? Yeah, just boring. Which one was he talking about? I don't know which episode. Maybe he gets specific, but he was pretty upset. Sorry about that, John.

Sorry about that, Burr. All right, plenty of other podcasts though. Listen to those. And either way, we appreciate the email. We're not supposed to read those anyways. Stop sending us emails, put it in the comments. I'm gonna read that crap. No, I like it.

I think they get. All right, so Andrew Cuban, PhD, super smart, knows all about the brain. Hmm, you know, they opened up about which countries dump the most plastic. Yeah. Surprised that the US wasn't on that list. No. I kind of felt like it was all awful. Not even close

Well, good job America. Another reason to be upset at China. Come on eight point eight metric tons Which I actually looked up. It's like the size of an entire Empire state building if you were to fill it with plastic. Wow. That's a lot of plan. That's too much Well our kids are definitely going to be eating way more plastic than we are. Do you think the fish could evolve to eat plastic? I mean, they already are. Well, accidentally, but they're not like getting nutrients out of it. But you could imagine that like there could be a bacteria we could make that then gets in their gut and then all of a sudden it's like blue whales are just loving it.

They're just eating plastic, getting strong. Do you want to know what I really think? Go. Of course. Always. So, plankton will be dead because the acidity of the ocean will be so high that plastics will not really even be an issue for us because we might not have enough oxygen in the air. That's what I think.

So hopefully, not cranky. I'm actually in a very good mood today. No, no, I said cranky. Oh, cranky. Oh, cruelly. We got a bit of a, what's her name? Bretta Thumburg in the room? It's Greta.

Alright. I prefer Beretta. Well, yet they opened up with that, So we're not the worst. Pretty good. We get to think about that. Also, they talked about spicy food is inflammatory or to some people. Yeah, you know, there are certain health kicks. I just can't get behind them because I can't stop eating spicy food. Yeah, but they were talking of being alive. Yeah, if your food is not spicy. the talking of being alive. If your food is not spicy. I do love me some Mexican and Asian food.

So I would definitely agree to that. But I'm not a huge hot pepper eater. I mean, I like a Chicago dog with a nice sport pepper on it. Okay. Sport peppers are great. Look at you. Who are you? Hala Peno is on the grill.

Yes. Yes, please. Put some colby in there. Yeah. Obviously. But I love those hot sauces like Joe Is taught he has the creeper one and I want hot sauces that just can fry my brain if I want it. Okay You know if I get a good Indian curry I'm pretty upset if I'm not leaving sweating behind the ears. It's

Impolined to me to really Cook it up. You're one of the white guys who'd really test their strength at the Indian food place. Okay, I did that once. It feels like it's good for me though. I'm sure it is, but now I'm learning its inflammation. Shit. What do you think about gain-of-function research, bud?

Well, I Well, almost. Yeah, I mean, the way you were saying it, it's like almost duh, but it's like a lot of people were saying duh early on. It wasn't till all the propaganda and the Fauci pretending he had nothing to do with it that went on forever. The people even considered that it really came from a market. It's like if you asked a regular person before that propaganda came in,

where would you assume it came from? Everyone's guessing that lab, right? Well, all the scientists definitely were. Well, they didn't want to lose their jobs. You think they really thought it came from a bat or now they're saying some kind of raccoon dog. Oh, the raccoon dog. Come on. Where are we going with that?

Is that another monkey box? A box post that'll laugh, is this a South Park episode? That's weird, man. Where are we? People will believe just whatever they see, I guess. Mm. I did like hearing that Andrew doesn't go super cold with the cold plunge.

I think that's, even though Joe was giving him subshit and kind of called him a pussy, which is, that's just Joe's MO, it's going full steam. But this is what's important about it. It's like, people are hearing that this is really good for your health. You should go cold plunge, et cetera. And you can, you know, you can make one easy. Just run the bath with cold water. Yeah, done.

You don't even actually need ice to get it to around 50, 55. You just run the cold tap. I think 55 probably. I don't think 50 right out of the tap. You think it's that cold? I don't know. Maybe 55. But anyway, the one we use at the Boseman hot springs, about 55. Yeah. So it's good enough. You can stay in there a bit longer. You get a lot of the same benefits. And now everyone has access to it. But the most important thing is if you're the type of person that doesn't like that, they can't push themselves, they're really struggles to get in the cold, it doesn't have to be that cold now. You know, it's not a whim-hoff event. Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, you don't need ice, you just stay in there a little longer.

What do they say, four to six minutes? Or he said, to get the benefits, it was 11 minutes a week. That's about right. But maybe that was for the colder one. No, I don't think so. That was for the 50. He said, he was the one that said the 11 minutes before.

Okay. And if he's doing this temperature, that's probably a mouth. And then what was it, like 40 minutes total for sauna? That's not bad. You can break that up even if you struggle with those temperatures, you can get there. Even if you bring in the air dine. And I would assume a really hot bath can do the same thing. Why would it really be any different?

Your heart. They don't really talk about that with the studies of sauna, but I feel like, you know, I'm just thinking about access. If you're just a person that doesn't have access to a sauna, I'm pretty sure you could just run a hot bath. Maybe stay in there for a good 15 minutes through that few times.

Yeah, it's had 57 minutes per week. Ooh, 57. There you go. Yeah, but said 57 minutes per week. Oh, 57. There you go. Yeah, but either way, Andrew was getting some shit from Joe and he's probably gonna step up his game after this one. Now, I do like ending with the cold and actually after listening to this,

I believe I am going to start, or I am going to start doing the cold bath before I work out. I'm gonna do the springs, the sauna, the cold bath, then work out. That's bad ass. Because Andrew was saying it does something with you gains, right? Well, there was two things. So the cold, the very cold, well, we know it spikes our dopamine longer exposure at 50

degrees, you're two to three times above baseline with your dopamine levels and you're no preferin. I don't know how you say it, nor preferin. No epinephrine. Thank you. Oh yeah, you should definitely be doing that a lot right now. Dude, they last two to four to even six hours. Your levels are up two to three times above baseline.

No drug does that. It's a non-negotiable. Riddle in and Adderall don't even come close to that. And they only last depending on your dosage, right? And he talked about this later in the episode. They didn't get into it too much, but I feel like there's a lot of studies that maybe haven't been done yet on methamphetamines

or methylphenidate, which is Riddlein. I think Adderall's different. It's not methylphenidate. It's a different kind of stimulant, but it's close. They're similar, right? Yeah, dude. No doubt that we're going to find out that in different ways they fuck you up over time. Of course. The effects are just too powerful. There's no way that it's not making some systems real wacky in that. I start using CBD and I've noticed, and since doing the cold pool, I've noticed I feel way better than taking Ritalin. I'll still take it, if I need to, but having those extra spikes in the morning is huge. It no me hace querer tener un río.

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¡Déjame ir con su ayuda! ¿Pero me quedé antes that ad, can I finish? Yeah. Sorry. So the reason why I will now do the cold plunge before the workout, there's a couple of reasons. But the main reason is the, what is it? Hyper-per-per-tra-fy?

Like when your cells, you know, after you work out, your cells are multiplying and creating bigger muscle mass, right? Right. It stops that. If you go, if you do are multiplying and creating bigger muscle mass, right? Right. It stops that if you do the cold plunge right after workout. Oh, yeah, that's what he was saying. Yeah.

But then later in the pod, he mentioned the effects of putting your hands in cold water or your feet in cold water. And he was saying, Oh, you grip strength. Yeah, you're gripping strength, but also even for pushups and stuff, for whatever reason, you will do more. Huh. That's interesting. And they're very strange. It's very strange.

They had those mitts, those cold mitts. I heard about those mitts before, and I just thought that sounded like total bullshit. The Palmers. Somebody first told me about it. They were like, yeah, you just get these gloves and make your hands cold and you're stronger. I'm like,

but I'll tell you what, if the hub says it, I'm inclined to agree. The hub knows, hey, get off Adderall guys and jump in the fucking cold lake. Okay, let's go. There we go. Yeah. Probably, you know, talk to your doctor and do it responsibly. And get some sun in the morning. Oh, yeah.

So the five, what was it? The five main healthy things. A hub day. Yeah, one sunlight. Get some sunlight. Two, movement, obviously. Move around three. Nutrients, listed a few.

Four, sleep. I feel like sleep should be number one, honestly, but maybe that I know order. Five social connection. And then stay away from bright lights at night. That was on there too. That's so hard to do though. Honestly, it's like, what are we supposed to like mostly just be sat in candle light

right before we get a bed? Yeah, maybe it's just staying off the phone or watching TV. I think that's probably way worse than having a light on. I think that's probably a good one, because TV is quite stimulating. There's a lot going on, but if you're just having a conversation, with your significant other, or your family,

or reading a book, then you're just calm. Just read. People's sleep probably sucks today. We're so out of whack with, you know, this type of that list at least. Well, and also the, I've realized now that I don't drink as much as I did in the past. If I have more than three drinks within like past six p.m.,

I will pass out, you know, by 11 or so. And then I wake up at 4 in the morning, can't go back to bed. Right? Because that sugar spike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that one's a tricky one. But yeah, sleep is tough to get when you're stressed out. They did talk about creatine as a supplement. And that's the kind of supplement that when most people hear about it.

So as a non-pharmaceutical, a non-prescribed thing, because it's not really a drug, it's just a supplement. It's actually the most research supplement, believe it or not. Creatine is? Yeah. And when people hear about it,

you just think athletes, building muscle, being jacked, being big. Really, that's not its primary function. It's just an energy. It just gives you energy. It's like a different pathway to creating energy in your system. I think you got like ATP. And then there's another one that's like this creatine cycle that usually is pretty low, but it's a new tropic. So it's really good for your brain. And as far as I can tell, everyone should just be taking, you know,

a bit of creatine a day. It's very cheap, it's very good for you. There you go. Well, it's said something about helping brain injuries too, right, or concussions. Was that a good thing to do? Well, yeah, if it's a new tropic, it'd be good for that. And then a bunch of different mushrooms,

I think they're finding negative feed brain as well. What was the drug they were talking about or the supplement they were talking about that was good for late day peaks in cortisol? Was that urbana tea? about, that was good for late day peaks in cortisol. Was that urban Mate? No, it was something else. My stupid auto correct on my phone, it says Ashwagans. Don't know what that is. Oh, Ash-Gawana.

Ash-Gawana, thank you. Yes, Ash-Gawana. Ash-Gawana. Ash-Gawana. Ash-Gawana, yeah. So is that a powder? I think so, yeah, it's like a root, pretty sure. And people, what did people, Yeah, so is that a powder? I think so. Yeah, it's like a root pretty sure and

People what did people When it first came around I had some friends taking it that thought that they were getting Maybe testosterone from it or something else. Okay So and what would they say what did humans say that was good for? I forgot it was good to get rid of your peaks in cortisol at the end of the day, so get rid of stress levels. Ooh, so the end of the day take it? Mm-hmm. Nice.

Gets rid of anxiety. Well, there we go, a little bit of ash-guwana. There you go. Camer. Oh, postpartum depression they mentioned was actually helped by creatine. It would help lower postpartum depression, which was interesting. Okay, yeah. Well again, you know, you don't think of women

that have just have babies getting on creatine, but... Or a man. They should. Having postpartum I had it. Really? Absolutely, dude. Just wait, bro.

Just wait. You can call me. Yeah, I didn't know men had that. Oh yeah. Makes sense. It makes sense. When you go from freedom to having a baby to take care of every single day trust me You might have a bit of a freak out. I get it Just for a little bit

Then you get used to it. What were they saying about the Mormons being able to do MDMA and now they have a bunch of Brain studies from Mormons. Well, like one drug that wasn't made banned. Yeah, apparently it was the only drug they did not ban or other than maybe Coca-Cola. I think they're allowed to drink Coca-Cola because of Mormon owns it. Oh, is that right? It's the room where I've heard.

Die it. They just can't have the caffeine, right? Well, they can now because of Mormon bought the companies. What is the room right here? Oh, right. So now it's now because of Mormon bought the company, is the rumor right here? Oh, so now it's cool. Now it's legit. Yeah. So maybe there's just an old school Mormon

who started taking MDMA and everyone respected them and he didn't get into why. Why were they worried about caffeine? Is it like, was there a time when they were like, do you people have way too much energy in the morning? They built a bunch of stuff. It's like, why would you ban that one? People aren't ruining their life.

They don't have like, CA meetings, caffeine anonymous. I don't know. I don't know, just doesn't seem that bad. But anyway, they've done a bunch of brain studies and they're finding that there was like zero brain toxicity, you know, assuming the substance is fairly pure. Right.

So people have been doing a lot of MDMA for a long time. And it's not messing with that brain. You know, they used to say thing, I remember reading a time, times like magazine article back in the day when I was like in my rave days of high school. Oh yeah. And we were doing MDMA. And it was just basically saying, oh, it fries your neurons and they grow back, but we don't know. They grow back different. And we don't know what the effects are. And other people were saying things like it makes holes in your brain. I don't know, dude. I mean, I didn't really drink in high school occasionally at a party,

but rarely. It just wasn't that interesting. But on the weekends, we would get a raves. I would do NDMA. And I didn't get a lot of the kind of depression from it. I mean, I remember taking a bunch of B complex or B12 or something. I heard that that was good to help pre-curseor build serotonin and not get all the press from Taking it but it wasn't like I was taking that much and

I'm yeah, I'm pretty sure that Generally for like what I was doing at the age that I was a lot of drinking would have been worse Absolutely it would have been worse absolutely, you know, and I would have done dumber things and let's be honest I'm just mostly hugging people it was X man. No one called know, and I would have done dumb of things. And let's be honest, it was just mostly hugging people. It was X, man. No one called it MDMA back then. No, of course. No, it was just X to C pills or a pill.

Like, that's what it was. I'm pretty, actually, I think MDMA is like, maybe slightly different anyway. I don't think that maybe it's more pure as that would have. Well, I don't think that they can crush that into a pill. It won't like hold together. So there's other stuff kind that would be. Well, I don't think that they can crush that into a pill. It won't like hold together. So there's other stuff kind of mixed in. Gotcha.

Alley, I don't know. It's like whatever the different things are. But yeah, maybe not as bad for your brain as we thought. And then also the two times heroic dose. So you do a five gram. I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah, but you do it a couple of times, spread out.

Really good for depression. But we're gonna have to get you on a whole protocol bro two and a half grams is an eighth He did not say five grams. Did he I'm pretty sure? No, I'm yeah He was not meeting that much. He was saying about four four to five grams I'm pretty sure was okay. Well two and a half's an eighth right so that is to me That seems like a pretty heroic dose especially. Okay, well two and a half synates, right? So that is, to me, that seems like a pretty heroic dose, especially if you're fasting two days before, right? But maybe you just gotta go a little deeper. Yeah, if you're gonna go deep, you might as well go deep, deep,

right? Especially if you set your intention, you've got your eye mask on. It was really cool to hear Huberman talk about how his, you know, he's able to talk about these things now. He understands that these are so helpful. There are so many stories about depression being, I mean, tech almost erased from people's mindset after some of these heroic trips.

Maybe like once a year, right? They're saying to do two of these. Yeah. Do you do two in a row? Oh, so in eighth, I was saying it, eighth of wheat is 3.5 grams. But it's in a 5. Okay. It's an eighth of anything, though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's three and a half. I was thinking eighth was two and a half. Okay. So yeah, it's, it's pretty much an heroic dose. You could handle a 3.55 of mushrooms though. You could do that. And we know therapists up here that like, let's go explore those things. So you could, I'm ready. Yeah. You could, you could do it. And if it's good for the progression, I recommend it.

You know, that's what they're saying. Well, think about it. Well, go in there with an intention, right? Have the I mask, have the music and have somebody there to help you. If you start freaking out, they can, they can chill you out. Yeah. Right? That's the point. Oh, they 100% count. If you're with a sober person, the cares about you that they can calm you down. I feel like they're just being irrational. A little when you freak out, they should take a little bit. They probably would. Right. Yeah, but that was it, right? Music was big.

The I mask is really helpful. And then I think anything guided, you know, is really good as well. What do you think about this? I began. I had of eye-begin, but I didn't realize it was a 22-hour trip. That to me is one that I would be pretty nervous about doing. Because it's supposed to be pretty uncomfortable too. It's super like introspective supposedly. It really has you analyze why you do the things that you do. Often it seems like they get great results for getting people off drugs and addictions and these different things.

That's a really good news, but not a fun journey. I don't know how uncomfortable it is. I don't think that you're like freaking out for 12 hours, but I think that you don't feel great. Dude, 22 hours. Oh, 22? 22 hours. Oh, yes.

It's way too long. But maybe you need to sit in that mess to like kick this, whatever the thing is. I'll start with the shrooms. All right, one step at a time. Right. I love when Rogan says, I was taking a gram, gram of shrooms a day for 30 days.

It was great. It was fun. It's all today for 30 days. It was great, it was fun. It's all about it. Yeah, yeah. Well, one gram is like super doable, isn't it? And just talking about, I appreciated Hubert Monsain, the value in these early niche communities or niche communities. Mm-hmm.

You know, the Wim Hof's of the world, the yoga teachers that back in the day, everyone thought they were nuts. People thought you were nuts for jogging in the late 60s and 70s, right? That was just, yeah, what are you guys doing? What, why are you running? Who are you running from?

It's interesting because it made me think and he pointed it out that, you know, our kids, and especially our kids' kids, this stuff is just going to be readily available, totally normal. Everyone's going to be using it for depression, hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. Right? I wouldn't say. Yeah.

Unless the farm companies take over, which they're already trying to do. Yeah. Well, there's still a lot of shitty food now, though. Like this, we think the future is all bright in the sense of like, yeah, it was way better than the 50s and before. Well, we got a lot of obesity right now. Oh, yeah. People don't really understand nutrition like they used to.

If you went back 100 years and you like laid out the foods that we eat with what's in it, I mean, only like rich people had sugar. And even they weren't like, yeah, I want to eat 40 pounds of it a week It's like no, they would be like what that's nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah It's like you can't just live on the caviar of what the food is. It's like But today, I mean I can't tell you how many people I know That will look at a menu. It's like they know too. You could even point out to him, be like,

you know that's not good. I know, but sometimes it's just quick. It's just fast. And I like a little bit of ice cream. I'm just like, this is all really bad for you. I don't know. And you do it every day. Calm down, the FDA cares about us, okay?

Well, yeah, they care. They care. They care about nothing but helping us stay healthy. They care nothing about money. No. No. They don't. They're not getting paid off. No way. No. All right, let's jump over to David Bus. Hey guys, I want you to know about this podcast, Creepscast. Ever since we were kids, we've always had a fear of the dark, whether it be the darkness itself, the unknown, or what lurks in it. It has always been able to crawl into the recesses of our minds, laying dormant, never truly leaving. That fear is there for a reason, there to keep you alert, to keep

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It was very in depth. He was extremely knowledgeable on this topic. He's clearly been studying it for half of his life, if not more, right? It was interesting to just hear, you know, the loaded say, like women are wanting men to be respected by their peers. They want men to have goals. Older women want to see the goods right now. There was just a lot of things that seemed very obvious

when you think about them and when they're pointed out. And you see that throughout the animal kingdom. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And you see, obviously he talks about apes a lot at the beginning, but when he got into interpersonal relationships with men and women, you know, human men and women, it talks about how most

of affairs happen because what does it say, like 30% of women have affairs on men? Yeah. That seems like a high number to me. But what was the men having a fair as a women? What was that percentage? I don't know if it was higher or pretty similar, but what was interesting to me is that it was different reasons. You know, like men will often,

or I don't know if often, but they are happy to like bang somewhere less hot. They just want variety. And when they survey men and women that have cheated, the women are often very dissatisfied with their current relationship, where the men, it can be, it like, it doesn't necessarily mean dissatisfied or not. They're mostly focusing on variety. So if you're a man and you struggle with that, that's what you lean into. It's like coming to grips with the variety aspect of your life.

It's like those elements. Whereas with women, it kind of made more sense because they're trying, like, they're maybe they're with a provider that isn't providing, you know, or they don't feel it or they don't feel safe or they don't, you know, it's like a, it's like a response that they need to do something. It's an emotional response. Whereas the dudes are just being, you know, dudes. Well, it's just infidelity for infidelity sake with the guys.

They're just for whatever reason. It's probably some sort of lack of responsibility. That's a men have? Yeah, when they're doing it. Well, it's like being a kid again. It's like fun and cool and hooking up with people and it's like they miss that feeling. Because that kind of spark goes away, right,

after the honeymoon period of a relationship, then it's just, you know, you're with the person, you love them, but it's a lot of chores. It's a lot of work. A lot of things to do, a lot of work. And, you know, even at best, it's hard to bring kind of the honeymoon spark back to a relationship.

You just kind of feel with someone a long time or you're married to him. You just kind of feel with someone a long time or you're married to him. You gotta accept the fact that it's not gonna be like the first three months that you were dating this person. And that's okay. It shouldn't be like that all the time. You got all this shit to do.

Could be. But people miss it. You can have moments of it though. That's why you go on dates. That's why you put in that little bit of effort and take time for each other. And you remind each other that little bit of effort and, you know, take time for each other and you remind each other that it's still good and worth it. That's nice.

Are we doing a relationship therapy right now? We're coaching? Yeah, a little bit. Okay. But to me, it made sense what he was saying. I just never thought about it that way. Yeah. Oh, it made total sense.

And it definitely, it reminded me of, you know, you tend to get lazy in a long-term relationship, whether you're married or not, you know, we both get lazy. Women get lazy, the men get lazy. You take each other for granted. That's the biggest thing. That's the biggest part of it. That's really, I think, that's what's happening when the women tend to leave. It made more sense, right?

They need somebody to feel emotionally connected to. They're not getting it from their husbands, so they're going to go elsewhere. The husband, like you said, just wants to go have a little fun with a side piece and isn't really thinking about the outcomes and being a dumbass. Whereas the women are very controlled and thoughtful about it, because women are much more thoughtful and introspective, I think, than men are emotionally aware. They're more likely to fall in love with a person they're having in a fair way, yet where the men aren't going to do that for the most part. Don't text me again.

Don't cheat. Don't cheat. It's not worth it. Well, it sounds like an unnecessary headache. Life's not difficult enough. What about parents are being way more protective over their daughters dating than their sons dating? You know, this one was kind of interesting. I get it.

I get it. And I mean, Joe brought it up. It was like, yeah, because your daughters could get pregnant. But then in the same way, wouldn't you also think, well, wait a second, your son can get someone pregnant as well. And that's gonna be hard for them. Yeah, it just doesn't feel like the same amount of weight, but I don't have a daughter, so I don't know, I have a son.

And yeah, it would be devastating. I don't want to say devastating. It wouldn't be devastating if you knock someone up. It's going to be really hard, right? But if your daughter gets knocked up, that just seems to me, at least as a father, it would be a lot more emotionally draining. And just society just sees it differently, right? They're like, oh, that's slut.

Or, oh, that she's promiscuous. Oh, I feel like a young teenager. Yeah,? They're like, oh, that slot or oh, that, she's promiscuous. I feel like a young teenager. Yeah, and it's like, okay, well, dudes aren't getting called that. They're doing the same thing. It's just the way this society is, unfortunately. Bit of double standards.

There you go. Come on. Double edged sword, bub. Don't do it. What did you think? They've brought this up a few times, but the psychopaths starting big businesses and being like very adamant,

hopped up on Adderall assholes. You know, they talked about how women are attracted to that, but it's the younger women who are attracted to that. And then the older women are just attracted to money. What are they called as the doc triad? attracted to money. What do they call it? The doc triad or something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of like psychotic.

Yeah, it's like bad personality like you're a narcissism, but you seem strong and younger women fall for it because they're looking for a strong man and they don't have the experience to tell the difference. But all the women are like, now I've seen that before. Yeah, they're smarter. They're smarter. They're smarter, but it was interesting to see or to hear about the reasons why people can't really get away with that, or they can get away with that now because they can just move to a different city.

Whereas in the past, you couldn't have that narcissism or that, you know, that ex, you would get excommunicated from your group or your tribe or your, you know, your family, because everyone would know they'd be like, oh, this guy's just out for himself. Fuck him. We don't want him in this group anymore. And you would get ostracized. And now you can just leave or you can pretend to be somebody else. So you just can fake it a lot easier. Move to a a different city move to a different state Whatever and you're just roaming around cheating everybody right you're just you're just a cheater. Yeah, fucking scam artist Yeah, well, you're not good for like a community right, you know, you like come in looking like you've got some skills

You know, yeah, louder moreroverted, maybe confident, you know, maybe showing some leadership skills, but ultimately you just take, take, take, and then the tribe kicks you out and you got to move on. In cities today, people can hide all day long. You know what I mean? I mean, you just can do that. You can just disappear into the society. Did you see that movie?

I'm gonna botch the name, but this guy pretended to be this really rich dude. He picked up this girl, he's on a private jet. He pretended that he needed money, and his friend was like fake, cut him with a knife, and he was sending photos to his girlfriend who he knew was rich,

because he stalked her on the internet. She was from the Netherlands. Do you know what you're doing? I'm talking about. Is this a movie that just came out? It's not a documentary. Maybe it was a documentary. It was on Netflix.

Because there was something about the Tinder date. That was the guy. Yeah. He was like an ultimate skater. And I'm pretty sure he didn't even get prosecuted at all. I don't remember what happened at the guy. Yeah, he was like an ultimate skater. And I'm pretty sure he didn't even get prosecuted at all. I don't remember what happened at the end. He was just so good at ripping these checks off. And ultimately when they looked through everything

it was like, well, the women gave him money. Right. Yeah, there was a lot of lying. We can't them into it. But yeah, he just like made all the, excuse me, the Tinder Swindler. Tinder Swindler. Yeah, that was fucked up, dude.

Good movie. Yeah, worthy of a watch, for sure. Good documentary. Uh-huh. It's just nuts. Like, thank God there aren't too many people like that. It would be, we would all have to be so much more on our toes. Like, if, you know, 40% of the population were like this.

What was the percentage 4%? No, it's tiny, I think. Was it tinier than that? Maybe, yeah. It's not, I mean, it doesn't come up often. You know, even in the friends groups that you have, like it's very rare that you get that, you know, you just get to figure them out pretty easily.

I think if there was a bigger percentage of it, we'd be at to find them quicker and we'd be harsher on them. Maybe, you know, who knows? I don't know. I feel like you can hide out pretty easy, dude. It sounds like a horrible lonely existence, though, because remember, you're not really connecting with people. So all the dialogue is internal. It's all yours. You're the one pumping yourself up and like, yeah, I've got this. I know.

I'll take what I need. Like that's a bad way. Bad way to pay, right? It's not a go-giver mentality. Well, it's not going to feel good. No. How do you sleep at night? Uh-huh.

I don't know. I wonder if narcissists do sleep worse. There's, well, no. I definitely think that they probably don't, because they don't give a shit. They're fine. And the few that I can think of that I'm thinking of at the top of my head right now, probably sleep great. Really? They have a lot of money, and their ego is boosted.

They think they're awesome. So them thinking they're awesome. Whether or not other people think they're awesome, they don't care, because they think they're awesome, right? A narcissist cares only about themselves. So if they're good to go and they have money and they have power, why would they sleep at at night? All they're caring about is their ego being stoked

and stroked. And it is, if you have money, a lot of the times, unfortunately, your ego is feeling pretty good, even though you're empty, probably inside. It's like Gary Vee always talks about a lot of his friends who are making less than 60 grand a year are the happiest people

he knows because they're coaching the softball team and they're doing potluck dinners with their friends and they're having beers with you know. Yeah, they're connected. They're connecting with other things in life. It's like money seems like it would be, especially when you pull, I get it. You know, and I've been pull a lot. So it's one of those things where you're like, yeah, clearly if You know, and I've been poor a lot. So it's one of those things. Where you're like, yeah, clearly, if I had money, that would be the best thing. My connections don't

mean as much. But ultimately, you, you expand that out to billions of dollars and you're just on a hill in your castle, which is ginormous all alone. And you would do anything just to have some people over that you care about. Or have a barbecue with. You just have a bunch of people over who don't care about you and don't really know you. And they're just there for all your money and your stuff. Yeah, I've heard that that trait, you know, they don't trust anybody, right? Because they always think someone's out for their money. Yeah.

That's got to be an annoying thing to think about all the time. Like, you think you have friends, but you're always constantly thinking that you can't trust them because they maybe just be hanging out with you because you're loaded. Uh-huh. That's got to be a little feeling. Dude, that's got to be a very real scenario.

It's very real. I remember listening to what was it? It was like an interview with Vampire. No, no, no. It was who's that guy ice ice baby? Villain? What was his actual name? Come on, UK. Vanilla ice. No, that's like his rap name, dude. What's his talk? Collaborate and listen. Whatever it is. He was talking about this time. I don't know if he like almost committed suicide or, but it was like

when he was at the top of his game. Yep, I remember that. And he's in his house, he's got his like dope porches, a big house, he's like really peaking, making tons of money, and he looked around and realized everyone in there didn't give a fuck about him. That's a low feeling. Yeah.

And he almost, and of course, you know, Vinalice, it's like early 90s, he had like a few kind of, not one hit one does, but like two hit one does. You don't have many songs that people really listen to. And what other song other than Ice Ice Baby do? What about Go Ninja? From Ninja Turtles, too. Come on.

I know, so bad. And his name is Robert Matthew Van Winkle. They went out there to get Lord. Thank God he changed it. But you know, that's a good example, right? Because what happened is he did drop off heavy and he realized all those people just disappeared. And yeah, I mean, well, a lot of people kind of circle that stuff though. When I lived in LA, there's a lot of energy there of circle that stuff, though, when I lived in LA, there's

a lot of energy there, where they're just circling the next cool thing, and they're hoping it makes them cooler. It's not friendship stuff going on. It's not real connection relationships. It's purely networking, and it's almost like, you know, if they could, they would trample on that person to get ahead of them. Instead of like, hey, let's all bring each other up. They're not real friendships. And you get a feel for that, you know, parties and events in LA for sure.

Yeah. Well, speaking of, you got me thinking about the 90s hip hop scene now, and I'm thinking of, I'm remembering MC Hammer, right? And MC Hammer had like the biggest stage crew, right? They were always homeies at least. I think they were, but you have me thinking now. He ended up paying them all really good money, he was a really good dude. Like MC Hammer was the man, right?

To legit, to quit. To quit. But he ended up going bankrupt. He had a gold toilet, right? But he ended up going bankrupt he had a gold toilet right but he ended up going bankrupt he was spending way too much money and he's given all his friends money he had all this stage crew and dancers and choreographers and you know just I'm curious whether or not he felt super depressed when he got went bankrupt or if he was cool because he was always so

generous right he seemed like a really generous guy. Yeah. I'm not saying vanilla ice was not, I have no idea. But it seems to me like if you're going to be hanging out with that many people on the road all the time that a lot of those people might actually be genuine friends. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, you got to be careful, right? Who you surround yourself with. I mean, look, these are problems that most people are never gonna face. And in a way, they're like good problems because they're the kind of problems you want, even though they are difficult.

It's like, oh, boohoo, you're super rich and you're paying your friends too much and they're trying to rip you off. I mean, so few people get in that position. But what's important to remember is like, yeah, it doesn't make, necessarily make everything in your life better Just because you have a bunch of money

like Connection is what it is and I'm sure these dark triad individuals find that out ultimately They they are climbing like they're willing to hurt others the close to them for these things money power stuff that they want and Ultimately, they probably find out it doesn't really make them any more fulfilled. They just have like a screw loose. They can't ever be like properly fulfilled. I get it. Just nasty.

It reminds me of the quote on the wall of quite a few Jimmy John's about that Mexican fisherman. Like this guy, this dude in a small town in Mexico is a fisherman, right? He fishes every day, he gets, he has a little CES stuff, fishes a little bit more, goes back to his wife and kids and plays, you know, hangs out with his homies at night, has some tequila shots, goes to bed, does it again. Makes just enough money to be able to do that every day and not have really a care in the world.

He's got family time, he's got social time, he's out work, and he's on the ocean. And then some rich white dude comes down there and the, you know, the, tells this guy, he goes on a fishing trip with him, he's like, well, why don't you get some more boats? Why don't you get some, you know, more crew members so you can catch more fish? And why don't you expand this business and you could make millions of dollars? He goes, why the fuck would I do that?

I have everything I want, right? And it's like, if I do all that, I waste all my time, waste all my time, waste all my time. And then by the time I'm old and gray and can't enjoy myself anymore, I'm just now gonna my time, wasting all my time, and then by the time I'm old and gray and can't enjoy myself anymore, I'm just now gonna retire and do all the things that I was doing every day. Right.

Yeah, there goes a waste of your life. I mean, look, it's a good story, but it almost turns nobody off the pursuit of wanting more money. True. It just probably helps a tiny bit put things in perspective. Right. For is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is.

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Rarely, I would imagine. I mean, you remember back in the day, like high school, you would get somebody's number, it's their landline, their house. Yeah, it was great. And I would call them and their dad would answer and I would get scared. Oh, absolutely. And you're like, oh, it's over.

And then you think they're listening to your conversation. Oh, you don't know what to do. Yeah, you don't know what's real. Now you can just kind of text. And it's like, it's, yeah, it is so much different. It is so much different. And then you, I mean, then the social media stuff,

I mean, we've talked, plenty of people have talked about this over and over and over. But what is going to change? Are people going to start going back to old school? What's changing is that people aren't staying in relationships as they're not, they didn't work as hard to get it, then not going to work as hard to keep it. And that's what we're seeing. People are committing less, they're having less children, you know, they're kind of happier

on their own. Are they? As soon as they make, well, happy in the sense of like they're doing it, they're finding way, like in the past, if you were just like a single man or woman, like later in life, it was like socially, look down on. Yeah. Now it's not. It's almost like in a lot of ways encouraged. I think that's just TV, man. I don't know, dude. I think it has a lot to do with it.

People, well, but a lot of people have tough relationships and they look at their friends at a single and think they're having this great time. And, you know, those people have freedoms. Yes, it's always greener though. I know a lot of friends who are bummed they don't have have another significant other to hang out with every day. Yeah.

And they're getting older, they're in their 40s, and they're sure. They're like, dude, this dating scene's hard. Yeah. And I go on all these dates and I spend this money on these women that I don't know, and it's boring, or it's frustrating, or I just feel anxious. And, ooh, yeah, it's boring or it's frustrating or I just feel anxious and, whoo, yeah, it's different.

It's different. Yeah. Maybe that maybe there's going to go back to like, Hey, guys, tonight, everyone's going to meet at the bar. There's going to be 50 guys, 50 girls. And we just ran out of bar for the night and we just bring them all in and we, it's like, there you go. There's 50 guys, 50 singles, 50 single men. Oh, do they have that now?

They have vacations that you can only go on if you're single. That seems like a good idea. They have this new thing that they brought where it's like a way you wear your wedding ring, but it's just a little rubber thing that's like purple or something, and it's a way for you to show other people

that you're a single. So they can come over and hit on you. Well, the LGBTQ scene has been doing that forever with bandanas, colored bandanas. Is that an urban legend? No, it's a real thing. Oh, you would know. Well, yeah, I worked in San Francisco for a little bit. There we go.

So yes, it's much easier to know what somebody's looking for when you can just color code it with some bandana. So because I mean, think of all the pressure of asking someone out. There's a lot, you know, it's hard and you go up to somebody and then they're like, oh, I have a boyfriend and then it's, that's just like immediate, hard rejection anyway, even if they may have liked you, but they may just happen to be with someone. But that's, but that you're exactly it's an excuse. But if it's clear that they don't, if they're like showing you, I don't have a boyfriend. And, you know, you just have the grocery

store. I even heard that different grocery stores were having singles nights. I think they did this in L. in LA at Whole Foods. And it was like whatever night it was like Thursday. Obviously there's gonna be other people in there, but they kind of like set it up for single people go. So you would like, you know, people would dress up. And then you'd do your shopping. But now down the aisles, you can like chat with people.

That's fine. Hey, I like those beans too. Yeah, oh, you like beets? chat with people. That's fine. Hey, I like those beans too. Yeah. Oh, you like beets? You like pickles? Let's go. You like some beets?

Go. Love me some canned pickles. Give me something sweet, baby. You just see that the one person just grab it a bunch of Oreos and you're like, I know where that goes. I'm sorry, I can't. Hmm. I can't.

That's a strange, I think the bar thing makes more sense. Rent out like a club and just have singles come in. But it's just the point that people are trying a lot of different things. Yeah, you know? And it's like good. I think people should go back to a more old school approach. These apps, they're gonna create a funky system on that.

Okay, Gramps. I just settled down. Everyone's going to robot sex. Let's go. Love that. Robot sex. On that note, yeah, let's skip. Shultzie, I love that pod.

It was very interesting. Shultz is the man, but we can't do it justice because they're just way funny even we are. Go see him at the mothership if you can get a freaking ticket. Dude, those tickets are hard to get. Everybody, we need tickets for next month. They're going on sale like, I think like every day, they're adding new shows at like 2 p.m. But good fucking luck if you can get one.

Well, hopefully we can get in next month. Praise be. Later guys. Cheers. B later guys. Cheers!