Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 340 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Zach Bryan Et al.

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created now with your host Adam Thorn One go enjoy the show Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan experience review Join us always my sidekick and crime, how are you today? Hey, buddy, I'm doing great. Technical difficulties. Todd, that's your new name. People need to stop messing with the buttons over here and blame it on someone else. It's a lot of pressure when you run in the studio, bro. This week, we got some cool guests. We got Zach Bryan who I've been waiting to to for Joe to have on for some time Mm-hmm, and that that was great love that guys music

Patrick bet David Interesting dude podcasts pretty influential dude and then if we have time we'll finish up with good old Brian Callin nice to see him back Yeah, nice good chats this week good chats this week, buddy with good old Brian Callan. Nice to see him back. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Good chats this week. Good chats this week, buddy. What do you think? Yeah. There were. There was some fun ones, you know, the Patrick bet David one was getting a little heavy and and my god, I think that was the most gifts anyone's ever brought. Rogan, it was like 30 minutes of gift giving. What is this Christmas? Yeah, but it's nice though.

He really wants to get Trump on really just would not stop. Yeah, we get to that in a minute. Okay, let's start up with Zach Bryan. Are you familiar with his music at all? Wonderful music. So good, right? Yeah, my brother and my brother in law showed me how he's way into it. Yeah. Do that one video where he's just like by a campfire singing. And then at the end, he gets pretty choked up. That's amazing. You know, I didn't realize how young he was. What is he? 28, 27 years old? He's a young guy, man.

I meant to look that up. Super young. I mean, definitely doesn't act as age at all. Right. Well, not definitely not in his lyrics. No, you know what I mean? No, he's got some great songwriting. Absolutely fucking awesome songwriting, really.

Yeah, it says he's 27. 27 years old, buddy. He's, what would you call that new country? It's like, it's like this new country that's actually sounds like old country. Do they have a term for that now? You know what I'm saying? It sounds like- I don't know enough about- But it sounds more like, you know, the songs of the 70s, like kind of like outlaw country.

It doesn't sound like 90s country where it's poppy, right? Like it's actually- Definitely not poppy. It's like good songwriting again. It's not just like, I went and got a fucking truck and down by the fence and we'll just see my grandma. Dusty boots. It's, it's more, it's way more soulful. Like you said, it, it kind of just reminds you of being by the campfire with your homies that, you know, someone's a really good musician and they get to the campfire and everyone's just kind of mesmerized by the song. For sure.

I think there's just a lot of pressure because like the country charts are different than the regular charts, right? They have like their own charts. So for them to jump into a bigger version of mainstream, it kind of makes sense that they would have a poppy version. Yeah, right. But they wanted to do that.

Even if you think of M&M. M&M has some like dark songs, but he always does that are like true to like his style of rap and all the rest of it. But he always comes out with like one or two on his album. That is like that, you know, jicacaclam shady, you know, it's just like silly. And he knows I've got to have like two big pop ones on there that everyone will just listen to. And then I get away with 10 songs that are just, you know, he ain't talking about his pill addiction or how much he hates his ex wife. Or yeah, what was it the stand one in the rain where he gets in the car crash? That was a freaking good

one. I can't think how that's a great That's a great track. Yeah, come on. Great track. But he's smart like that. You know, he knows, like you got to have the pop one on there. But I guess with these guys, Zach doesn't sound like that's his style. He doesn't want a pop one on there. Either into his songs or not.

And I think he's cool with it, but he's blowing up. I mean, he is big. I feel like Sturgel Simpson kind of started this. And I don't know enough about the country music scene, but I loved Sturgel Simpson and they talked about him. And I remember when he came out and no one really knew who he was, and then he got really famous.

And then you kind of start seeing the Zach Bryan's and the Tyler Childers, right? There's a couple others that I really like, but they all sound similar in a good way. It's not the 90s bullshit country, even though I love that stuff because it reminds me of my mother. It's so, it's so played out. It's just so typical of the 90s where everything kind of sounds the same.

Yeah. And now I think that happens with music anyway It's like let's say everyone now really starts to get into this style of country Yeah, then the new change will be kind of rolling it back to pop into world sick of it again It just kind of does that it just goes round and round like each generation is looking for something that's new for then Even though we heard it, you know, in the 90s or whatever. Yeah. What's the one that took my horse to the whole town? The freaking. Make it breaky hot.

No, no, no, the newer guy who they said wasn't country because he was like the gay black dude who has what the hell's his name? It's like, Noss X, little Noss X. Oh, yeah. That's right. He got super famous. He got super famous. Little Noss X. Oh, yeah, that's right. He got super famous or little little now sex.

He was he was an unlikely country star. I would say I still feel like he was just faking it just to get in there, which was a great idea. That's just a theory. Yeah. Can't have nailed it. I'm sure there were plenty of country fans that did not care for that guy. Oh, yeah.

Well, then what's his name? Miley Cyrus's dad came out and did and was on the track with him. And that's how he got in, right? Because he had the legend. That is what's Miley Cyrus. Billy Ray. Billy Ray. Billy Ray had frickin little Nasex's back, dude, on that one. He was like, no, this is country. This is country. I wonder if that song was bigger than Aiki breaky hot. I bet it was.

Probably, dude. You heard it everywhere for like a year and now you haven't, you don't hear it anymore. Yeah. I mean, you heard Aiki breaky forever, though. That was like a great one. Hey, wonder for him. I don't know if he had other big songs, but wasn't that. So I think the, the story behind that was he was getting similar, like he was getting similar

smack down from the country music industry when he came out with Aiki Breakey Heart because it was so much different than the country that was going on at the time. Ah, one of his songs, maybe it wasn't Aiki Bre key breaky but he had a similar thing happen to him where he was getting a little too poppy and they you know these old you know white dude country dudes are like now this isn't country music boy Yeah What do you have what do you have for notes buddy? I've got a lot of notes with mr. Zach Brian This uh, well it was his navy background was interesting. So what is he? Third generation navy figure DB in there doing that is all life until he retired. Um, and kind of it seems like accidentally he became a musician like liked it, but this wasn't really necessarily the plan or he could

you know didn't really see himself as one. And it just happened to be that some of his songs kind of went viral and with that good. That it just kind of, it wouldn't have made sense. I mean, he's so famous now and popular because of his songs. Staying in the Navy would have been like weird, probably. You know, if he wanted to, I don't think he had a choice. That was that was it. As he said, his commander, whoever was in charge of him staying in the Navy or not, right? They told him he had to leave because it was a conflict of interest at that point because he was so famous from the YouTube videos that he was putting out. Right. That's not.

It was this, it was a similar story said the only other artists who that happened to was Elvis. Like Elvis did get drafted. Elvis was already way famous before he got drafted. Right. But that was the reason why he didn't have to go to war. Right. Because he was already famous and it's strange that Zach Bryan gets a free ticket out of the military or sorry, the Navy. And he wasn't even really famous yet. He just had one or two songs that went completely viral. I mean, I guess he was famous on the internet. Yeah.

Enough for it to get him out of the Navy, which is nuts. It was cool that his dad was into it. His dad was all about it, even though, you know, him, what was it? His dad, his grandfather and his mother were all like generals or something. Well, they were all in the military. I don't know if his mom was. Did he say his mom was true? Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's not super uncommon, you know, generations of, you know, and it's a good job. Um, it sets you up for life. If you stick with it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm, wasn't exercising enough and, you know, he's been touring a couple of years and he's having to really slow down and be like,

shit, how do I take care of myself and do this? Yeah, he's growing up at 27, good for him. Yeah. You kind of have to at that point. I mean, but then they talk about, I mean, how long has Mick Jagger been sober? I don't know how long, but he's bringing in his work out equipment.

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It's bad ass. I mean, but to keep going at that age and rock out as hard as he does, you probably don't have a choice. And he's the same age as Biden. It's crazy. Right. What do you think about trusting the right of bike for sure? Joe Joe, Joe, do Maggio syndrome, which I'd never heard of. I liked that. How Joe, do Maggio, someone came up to him and said, you're Joe, do Maggio, Joe, do Maggio. someone came up to him and said, your Joe Dimagio. Joe Dimagio. You, you know, you're already so famous. Why try so hard, right? Your Joe Dimagio. Why do you got to try so hard? Well, it's for this, it's for the one kid in the crowd or anyone in the crowd who's never seen me play baseball before. That was bad ass. And then Zach. Yeah, that's a beautiful

message for any entertainer. His dad told him that. So his dad, so Zach Brian's dad said, told him about Joe Demaggio syndrome, which I had never heard of. And then he takes that with him to every concert he plays, right? He just gets on stage. He's freaking stoked. He plays his fucking heart out, even though he doesn't have to. But that's a true performer right there, right? Yeah.

Look at you performing right now, Adam. You're a great performer on the mic, baby. Come on. Just drink it. I don't have to perform shit, dude. I just have to not be depressed or distracted when I'm doing a part. That's my only obligation.

Oh, you gotta keep that smile on, though. People can hear it in your voice. But it was just good to hear. You want to be in a grumpy mood, but you know, all requirements are so much lower than what he has to do. Like when he gets out there, he's got to make it seem like it's the performance of his life for those people. Yeah. And it's amazing how many band members do this.

I think I've seen so much pressure. My old roommate used to really like cold play and I and I liked them, you know, English band, but early on we'd go to those concerts and I was always amazed of like how much they put it like you would watch it and it really did feel like this was the biggest performance of their life and it's just another one of their performances on the tour. You know, it's like, oh, we're in Cleveland. I saw him in Cleveland and then I saw him in LA. Like, maybe the LA one, you could be like, oh yeah, this is obviously a big show. It's LA. But even the Cleveland one, they put everything into it.

Just as good and incredible, dude. Incredible. Which is good to see. But people pay a lot of money for that. Like, it's a, it's a respect thing, I think. I've been to a couple of shows where there was, what was it? It was the ACD she.

So it was the, it was a all woman cover band of ACD she. And I was all excited. We were in San Francisco with my brother. We had a smaller club, you know, and all of a sudden, she is like pounding booze on stage. And by the end of it it she couldn't even stand up Oh, my dad was if he's all pissed off. He's like what what did we pay for this is bullshit You know, but you have some performers like that, you know, yeah, that's

I mean Jim Morgan get far. It's already a cover band though So they ain't going nowhere So think about Morrison, you know, Morrison, how many times was he crawling all over the stage and spinning around, but that was almost part of the performance. It's like you wanted to see that. But that's true. You want to see, I want to see Jim Hammerdown stage just being a buffoon. Yeah.

Did you ever hear the story of Nirvana performing and the basis like through his base up real high in the air and landed on his head and knocked him out. No way. In the middle of the concert, and supposedly Kurt Cobain was so pissed off, they were like dragging him off the bassist off the stage and cooks like kicking him. No way. He's like, he's sort of a bitch. They must have had a backup bass guy, but I always thought that was a good story. Yeah, I need to find that one. I wonder if it's gotta be. I'm sure it's on film somewhere.

Yeah, I'll be cool if they have a video of it. You know, I liked what I liked about Zach a lot is he was always reflecting on things that like men's men's stuff, right? You know, he's in the Navy anyway. So when you're with military people, like, think about that, what it is to be strong and be seen as like a masculine man, then he talked a lot about even those guys that built the Empire state building, you know, and I think everyone can agree. You see those pictures. You're like, I am not that tough. So whatever that is, I am no way. Yeah, those pictures are in real. Those pictures are so cool. They're eating their little, you know, like brown bag lunches up on, you know, 300 feet in the air.

Yeah, I thought it all thing gets really fucking windy over. I'm so surprised that they're just like, that's it. They're having a lunch. Like they couldn't have just built like at least a tiny platform for them to have a lunch on. It's like, what are we doing? They're just sitting on the steel beams. No, we do. Yeah, hanging in pants too. They're always in pants and like a like a heavier jacket, right? It's like middle of summer, but they have pants on and like old. No, no safety helmet. Wooden boots. What freaks me out about those pictures? Wooden boots. What freaks me out about those pictures wouldn't be what freaks me out about those pictures is the guy in the middle. I

Don't know why I always think about that if I'm on the edges. I'm like, oh, it's okay. I can move around. Yeah, but if you're the fucking guy in the middle You're stuck even going nowhere. Yeah, you have to wait for everyone to finish their damn lunch just to get out of there right Yeah, I want to be the closest one in for sure. Oh, I'd like to be. Or just, yeah, if you fall over, you're not, like, what do you do? Grab onto your body. You can't do that if you're in the middle. You can't really grab anything.

If you were to slip, you're not going to take your buddy down with you. That'd be a dick move. You shouldn't have a dick move. Imagine falling with someone that just pulled you off. You'd be like, you piece of shit. Thanks a lot. Now my family and a staff, they said they only lost like five people building that.

That's crazy. In it. In it. And they built it just over a year. That bit to me didn't make any sense. I can't understand how they could have built it that quick way back then. I mean, obviously they had cranes and stuff, but yeah.

Incredible. Well, there's just so many brutal jobs, dude. There's sure are, buddy. There's sure are. There's a lot worse jobs than what we're doing. Did you see that Fred Becky? So they went into Fred Becky's. There was a documentary about this climber

that I actually watched. And Fred Becky is the ultimate dirt bag. I can't remember why they started talking about it. It was the Alpen, oh, they were talking about the Alpenis because that one gentleman died with the guy who did free solo. I can't think of his name right now. That movie free solo, that movie was insane

where he just climbs up mountains without a rope So his friend was in another Climbing movie and they They died he well he one of them. Oh, yeah, the ice climbing guys Right, so that happened, but then but then Rogan starts talking about Fred Beck he and this guy was in his 80s I think he's passed away now but he would just climb every single day no matter what that's all he cared about he

would sleep outside on the dirt like without even like a sleeping bag or any sort of pad to sleep on and this guy's like in his eighties in the still climbing i mean he had first to sense all over the the world wow you know when they were first climbing he was in like still climbing. I mean, he had first dissents all over the world. Wow. You know, and when they were first climbing, he was in like, you know, they had a little rope and not even backpacks, you know, it was just like a rope

and like one little ice pick and their climb and shit that, you know, to this day, people haven't even climbed. It was a very cool documentary. But it, I think the point of point of what Joe was talking about is this one track mind, right, and kind of with musicians, you have the same thing you have to be so obsessed with something to get to that level, right? And he ruined all of his friendships, he ruined all of his marriages, like the guy basically ruined everything just for climbing.

But it made him such a legend in the climbing world, right? It's like, oh, this guy is who you need to be, right? He's the ultimate dirt bag. So he has like this crack, some incredible passion in that that I think everybody respects, even as, you know, he did leave a trail of like damaged relationships in his wake. So many. And didn't really take care of himself, to be honest. Right. But there's something so beautiful about it. I mean, you need people like that. Do you relate to that a bit when you think of like the ski

bombs that you know, the people that were just all in for a skiing and snowboarding? Absolutely. Absolutely. But this guy is a whole nother level though. I mean, there's one thing to be into skiing and snowboarding and go every day. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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This guy wasn't drinking too much. He was out there every day, early morning, Rainer Shine didn't matter, right? That's all he thought about. And it's a whole new level of dedication to something, like an obsession to the point, like I said, where it ruins everything else in your life. It's kind of crazy.

It's a brilliant documentary. It is crazy. I mean, I don't recommend being like that. No. Also, I think we need people like that too. It's probably a difficult life, though. It's probably hard, you know, in a lot of ways. Yeah.

Should we jump over it? Either way, I think Zach is great. I think what he was really focusing on a lot is like, and what Joe was even bringing up with that is just like the passion of men and that focus and dedication to something that's admirable. And, you know, that kind of like focus in the direction of masculinity, right? I mean, like we said, Zach's young. And he's still finding out a lot about himself and in this new space of being very famous. I think also knowing Joe, because Joe's had 30 years of being famous and has got progressively

more famous. I think in a lot of ways he's probably a really good mentor to like these younger people coming up and being famous in the sense of like how to keep your life on track. You know, don't get too ahead of yourself. Yep. And, well, there was the last thing too, I think, is worth mentioning because they were drinking Bud Light, so they had to, you know, throw that in there. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, his sister, he was saying his,

I don't know if it's his younger sister or older sister, is gay and then has a transgender girlfriend. So that was interesting to hear, right? You think this country star, right? A lot of people listen into him, probably hate Bud Light, you know, and he's getting hated on for probably a lot of the things he's saying, because he just want, I just love that the end where he's just like, dude, it's just about love. Like I don't see that person any differently than anyone else in my life.

I actually love this person wholeheartedly. That was cool to hear. And I think that's just a testament to his age too. The kids in their 20s just don't see it the way older fucking people do because they weren't around it. No doubt. And so that was cool to hear. And it's called a Hesia Helps.

It's not like everyone has a sister that is dating someone and you know, you just more exposure with any types of bias usually Minimize your frustration with it. Right. Good for him. It's like people are scared of what they don't see which is so silly, right? Yeah, of course, of course. They're just seeing it as like a cultural whole, without knowing any individuals. And there's a lot of stuff with that whole culture that is kind of frustrating, you know? But it's good that people are open-minded. Fuck yeah. That's a better way to be.

Better way. I'd jump over to Patrick. What time are we at right now? We are at 22 minutes, Amigo. All right. Okay. Patrick. Patrick. That. David. David. Yeah. This guy's a top.

He has a ginormous podcast, made a lot of money selling an insurance company and knows a lot about business and also kind of like the politics that go with it. And now does a lot of interesting interviews. business and also kind of like the politics that go with it. And now does a lot of interesting interviews. He had a really good one without you tape. I can't remember. Did he say that he met Tucker? Did he have Tucker on his podcast?

I don't know. I don't remember him telling us if he did or not. I just remember him saying that Tucker should run for president But I had a good chance. It was like nice to his family. Hmm Yeah, I wonder I don't think Tucker would do that. He must be making way more money Not just talking about politics. Then he would ever make in politics. I guess I guess that's probably a lie because all the presidents get super rich when they get out of office. So Well, there was talk about that about Biden stepping down. He's gonna have a Simon Schuster

book ready waiting for him. That's probably that'll make 30 million dollars, you know, yeah, just to have some sort of autobiography or written about him and Step down, but then what do you do with Kamala? Like does that just mean she runs the show because I don't know how how people feel about hanging in there until the elections is over but he can't run again. It just doesn't make sense. Well, yeah, that is. And also another thought that I don't really like is the idea of Gavin Newsom stepping up. I mean, you know, I lived in LA while he was there during the pandemic. And I saw what things he was enacting. I don't like that guy at all. I don't know much about him. Yeah, too liberal. Way too liberal. Yeah, super liberal guy. Yeah. And yeah, it doesn't represent what I believe a good Democrat should be, but he might be the most popular option.

I bet you he is, man. I bet he is. Well, Patrick said he went on Hannity on Fox and like held his own. That's hard to do. So he's obviously a quote unquote good politician, but what does that mean these days? It doesn't really, a good politician today is just someone that can get votes. It represents himself. It doesn't mean that he's representing the people well. True.

And does it even matter? I mean, they also went to a lot of talk about, once you're in office, what even happens? You know, it's the reason why I think people They also went to a lot of talk about once you're in office, what even happens? It's the reason why I think people like Trump so much, right? Because he wasn't a real politician, even though he's a scumbag in my mind. He still wasn't a real politician. And so he didn't know the rules.

Yeah. So, you know, he's an industry man, if you can say it that way. There you go. Like he, he had just played by whatever the rules are. And, you know, in a lot of ways, I don't, I'd weigh rather C RFK in there. Yeah. I mean, I would, I would do just because it's so much different and it's going to mix things up.

But let's be honest, man, he's got nothing on Bernie Sanders and we couldn't even get Bernie in office. So it's a good point. Sorry, guys, they're going to take down whoever they can and they're going to, they're going to do what they've always done. They're going to pick their person and they're just going to keep the puppet in there. And let's be honest, we can talk about it. We're going to do that.

Let's be honest. Yeah, I think the best party at orchestrating who we get to pick, regardless of who we really want, they pick who they want. Exactly. We saw it with Hill Dogg, you know, nobody wanted Hill Dogg. Bernie would have beat. Nobody. Bernie would have beat Trump all day long.

I don't care. Any haters out there, no way would have Trump would have beat Bernie in my mind. No way. He had the kids vote just like Obama. How do you think Obama won in 2008 and 2012? It was, it was the kids vote. It was the 18 to 20 or 18 to 30 year olds that brought him into office, dude. Bernie wrote in the same, absolutely with Obama. Totally, dude. A member, a member of member of the, just rush of young people getting into politics when Obama was in office or when he was running, I do.

I had never been to politics before in my life until that really. I got really excited about it. I remember driving to California from Montana to help campaign for Obama. I can't believe I did that. I was stoked. You know, and I was young at the time. I was like 25. He had a lot of good energy.

It really did feel like that whole change thing. Like he changed everything and mix it up and it would be what fixes things. And he was a good statesman, right? But he still was just a good talker that like did really did much change. I mean, he's still what had more drone strikes than any other president. I mean, that's the shit that scares me because I thought he was a trustworthy guy, right? But it's still it's the same thing. It's smoking

mirrors, no matter who's up, who's in there. And again, I think I think it gets progressively higher each president. So I'm pretty sure Trump outdrowned Obama and probably Biden's outdrowning Trump. No, I don't think Trump did. I don't think Trump. No, I don't think Trump did a bunch. No, that was the one thing that I liked about Donnie is that he wasn't all about war and and drone and whatever else that we're doing behind the scenes that we don't know about, right? Yeah.

So I think, you know, what Rogan says over and over and over again, we've got to get someone in there who doesn't take money from special interest and doesn't just play with the system, but how do you do that? I don't know. RFK obviously doesn't, you know, isn't ruled by the system,

but again, that's going to make him not win because people are scared of that i mean this poor guys both is uncle and his dad were assassinated by questionable our own government we don't know but what it what it uh patrick say that sixty seven percent of people now think that our government had something to do with jfk's assassination that's crazy That's a high number. And now I mean, especially when when Tucka is on Fox, like straight out accusing the CIA of killing JFK. Oh, you know, that's why you got fired. Oh, shit. That's why you got fired, right? I mean, there had to be why you got fired.

They don't say that, but I'm sure it didn't help. And now, you know, to think that Fauci, you know, you, you look at the history behind that AIDS medicine that he was using. What was that called? AFT or ATF? I don't remember. Alcohol, fire, whatever that goes. No, easy to, easy to, I've got it in my notes. So it was way more expensive, right?

This is back in the AIDS pandemic was going on, right? HI everyone at HIV, everyone's freaking out. And there was talk. I remember when the pandemic movie came out on YouTube and I heard it, that was the first time I had heard about that. You remember the pandemic when it first came out, how powerful that was? And that gal used to work with Fauci. And I remember thinking that when it first came out, how powerful that was, and that gal used to work with Fauci,

and I remember thinking, that was the first time I started questioning stuff, just a little bit. I was like, wait a second. This is- I think a lot of that one was debunked, but it does bring up some interesting questions. But it talked about that AZT medicine, and I don't know enough about it,

but what Joe was saying is that it would jack up the price, everyone ended up taking it, but what Joe is saying is that it would jack up the price, right? Everyone ended up taking it and then dying. Like it didn't help them, right? And you look at what happened with this emergency authorization, emergency use authorization. They had to debunk all the stuff, even though, you know, it seemed to work for a lot of people. I don't know enough about it, but the guy got a frickin' what, a noble peace prize for inventing Ivermectin. So it's got to do something, right?

It gets rid of all this bacteria in your blood, right? It's used for malaria, right? Yeah, he thought that Ivermectin was more for viruses. Oh, no, that was anti-vibromatic. That's the dewormer and stuff. But it still gets rid of everything in your body. Like it just it clears you out like a like a there was certainly other options.

Silling right then just the vaccine, but they needed that emergency use authorization. Right. And you can't enact that if you acknowledge that there's any other medication that works. Exactly. And that's bullshit because there was other medication that probably worked better. And yeah, I mean, are we going to come out and people start realizing that? I don't know.

I don't know. But it's it. Well, it's all about things that are fucked up along those lines. What about the fact that BlackRock and those are the Van Gogh, two other, yeah, Van Gogh and Statesman, is that the other one? I think so.

So, they like, States Street. Oh, H.E. Yeah, so they're like the highest, biggest stockholders in like 88% of like, 88% S&P 500. Yep. Top share. Top shareholders. Yep. It seems like that is definitely a problem.

Like, is running those things. I mean, what was that guy's name? Larry think. Dude, I mean, look, BlackRock is BlackRock not getting all of the, are they the new, uh, Halliburton? Is that, that's the new, pretty much the new Halliburton, right? I think so, yeah. Let me just look at the defense contracts.

Because they have all the defense contracts. Yep. BlackRock Inc is an American multinational investment company based in New York founded in 88. Initially as an enterprise risk management. BlackRock is the world's largest asset manager with 8.59 trillion in assets. What? 8.59 trillion, not billion folks. Yeah, Larry's think is the founder. It's just mental. You know that these guys have more power than anyone else in our government. They're, they have to be in kohuz. I mean, if they're getting all the defense contracts, right? Yeah. It's the same thing that I'm sure of Larry

think calls the president. The president could be in the middle of taking a shit and he snips that bitch off to get to that. Well That's like so many people are that powerful for sure. Oh, you know, I would imagine George Soros is up there too. I mean, these giant donors, it's like they make or break who goes in and becomes president. I think it's just the like the illusion that the the US president is the most powerful man in the world. No, definitely no chance to. There are people behind the scenes for sure. Largest company of its kind in the world.

Yep. Wow. Imagine if they pull Spotify and then they would just like Joe, you need to be pro black rock. Otherwise, we're going to shut you down. Yeah. It says the company's US aerospace and defense fund has billions of dollars invested in major weapons contractors like Lockheed Martin, Ray, Ray Fion, Boeing, General Dynamics in North

rip, Groomin. I haven't heard of that one. These firms are the top recipients of Pentagon contracts splitting 100 billion in our tax dollars among them. And that was in 2017. So you know that's probably tripled. Yeah. Well, Northrop Grumman is a very, I had an ex girlfriend that works there.

That's a huge defense contract company. I think they make fighter jets and missiles. Nuclear bombs. It says which aims to create a, let's see, 1.2 trillion in nuclear weapons build up which aims to create a new generation of nuclear bombers, North rip grooming. And then we've got ballistic missile submarines by general dynamics, nuclear warheads by Honeywell and Bechtil submarine launch ballistic missiles. I mean, it goes on and on.

Lockheed Martin obviously is a huge defense contract supplier, right? And you just, you look at this and this is the stuff that people aren't talking about enough. And that's what I love about, that was my favorite part about this conversation. And it came right at the end because that is the real stuff that's happening. And you'd look at, you know, 88% of the top fortune 500 are owned by these four companies. I mean, they're just running the world.

Yeah. And yet we sit here and bitch about trans people who gives a flying fuck. Let's talk about how the world is owned by three companies Yeah, that are in cooots with with most governments and Definitely ours What did they say about Ukraine like we've sent more money there than then I think Russia spent on their military last year? Oh

That's insane right. Yeah, clearly, there's an agenda there, right? Who's making the money, baby? Right. What is the real plan? It's pretty crazy. A lot of questions up there. And that's what I liked about Patrick. He's asking a lot of the questions, right? I appreciate that. I'm kind of amazed really that that you know, obviously they're in the world of podcasting, right? So it's much harder to regulate that. But you still have hosting sites, you still have advertisers, you still have people that in a sense, they have to answer to, to some degree, right? Right? Completely free to say whatever, how

long before, you know, the powers that be get there, 30 claws into these free speakers? I mean, do we finish out this generation? And then by the next generation, they're like, oh, we need to control this. I mean, surely to a lot of people, Rogan has already seen as like just something that needs to be managed. Oh, absolutely.

Whether it's a threat or not, it's like people probably think that because he's just so popular. And a lot of these podcasts are getting that way. Yeah, and you know, I have heard a lot, at least from my brother who I've brought up a few times on this pod, but you know, I think people on the left tend to forget that Rogan is pretty freaking liberal dude, right? Because of the people he has on and I always try to defend him like no

He's just bringing on people. Have an open mind. He's not saying what's right or wrong He's just having people on that have opinions about things But in their mind, it's dangerous, right? If it's somebody who's, you know, maybe they don't agree with or Maybe they think isn't telling the right things like I would I would think that a lot of people on the left Don't wouldn't like this Patrick guy, right Patrick bad David. I thought he was a very personable just You know good speaker obviously has a lot of opinions about things, but he seems like a guy who just wants to get at the truth.

And that's what I love about Rogan. And that's how I always try to defend him, right? It's like, he's just a dude who wants to speak the truth. Yeah. And let the truth be heard. The problem is, it's the ideologues in each party. Even if you question one thing that the party that you love is saying, they just throw you in the category of, oh, you're on the other side then.

Like, you must be, you know, a liberal, you must be a conservative. And it's like, maybe I'm just a person that asks questions. Maybe I don't want to just believe anything that I'm fed. And I'm like, you know what? I don't want to just believe anything that I'm fed and I'm like, you know what? I don't care for what is this is and maybe we should all be talking about how Our defense contract is getting run by Companies that are have the most money in the world. What did we just say 6.5 trillion 5.6 trillion? In assets, dude

It's like these numbers are so big, people don't even think about it. No. It's like when we were sending billions over to Ukraine, it was like, yeah, we just sent six billion and now we're sending five billion. And everyone's like, wow, we got to, we got to protect them and say, and maybe we do.

I don't know, too darn to know. But I'm like, hold the phone here with these numbers. Like, we're not talking about $50 million. This is an insane amount of money. Like, what is this costing everyone in the US like five grand? Where are you getting this money from? Right.

Right. Pretty crazy, man. Like, also, you can't buy houses now because they're too expensive. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks for that. Yeah.

Good job. It is nuts. It is nuts. That's 7% interest rate. It'll get you. Yeah. What did you think about like all the pressure for him to have or Joe to have Trump on? I mean, look, obviously it would be probably one of the biggest podcasts ever.

Joe doesn't really give a fuck about that because it's all about whether he wants to talk to the person or not. I'm sure Trump would go on there, you know, I'm sure he would. He loves to do that. He likes to go on podcasts, podcasts blow up when he's on there and he knows it. And this is a platform where it can't get taken down. Like Spotify is not going to take down a conversation with Donald Trump for sure. No, absolutely. So it's well, but every time Trump talks on another podcast that is on YouTube, they take it down. They literally just ban them all. Um, and part of the system, baby. But yeah, Patrick really wanted him to, Joe to talk to Trump. I mean, it was,

he almost had to take a step back and apologize to Joe. A bunch of sides. He's getting pretty weird. So many times. Remember Joe, Joe at the end, or even towards the middle, dude, is that the only reason you came on this podcast? I like it. I didn't realize he's had some con artist. He said that he had one recently. I wonder who it was.

But Joe had some con artist on the, on his show and didn't, didn't publish it. He said it right at the end there towards. Oh, that was interesting. I would love to hear those. I wonder who he had on. I know. He think it was the liver can't. It was recent. He said it was recent. But yeah, the liver can that would make sense. Now he's he's he's been he knew that guy was full of shit for a long time. But I would like to know who was. I wonder if there's a way of figuring out, because I would imagine if a person went on Rogan, they would then afterwards announce it on their Instagram or social

media and probably put that pitch of him and Rogan together, you know, up. And that often happens before the episode comes out. So it's like, when did they find out? Figure it out. So if anyone out there is like good at search and shit, if you could figure out who Rogan probably had on but didn't post it, send us an email, email's in the bio, we would love to hear. Love that.

And if you just board and you got nothing to do next week, maybe just spend some time trying to figure that out. We'd appreciate it. We'll probably, we'll probably get a prize for you or something. Love that. All right. Is that about the time for us? I think so, buddy. Maybe a quick thing about Brian Kellen. I mean, I think Brian Kellen's legit. He's awesome. I, I, he's always fun. It was fun. Yeah Brian stop trying to get Brendan Sharp to fight again. That's Ridiculous. Oh, but keep taking true and it's a keep taking shrooms on stage. I'll end with that good job, Brian. That's it. All right. Thanks guys as always appreciate it Todd and we will talk to y'all next week. All right, peace out Alright, peace out.