Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 344 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Oliver Anthony Et al.

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

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One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to the Joe Rogan experience review podcast. My name is Adam joined as always by my co-host Legendary Todd. What's happening? TO double D good morning, buddy You know great great day. This was this is we this has been a great week in Joe Rogan history. I love Peter Berg. We're starting with Peter, right? Oh, yeah.

Just, we got to. Just got to throw out. Not only is he just an amazing guy and what they talked about, I was unaware that he made the movie, Paying Killer. We'll get into it. But also, I just need to do a little shout out to Dexter Routekeki, because he was my favorite skier in the quintessential 93. I think it came out in 1993, Aspen Extreme. It's like basically the movie that made me move out West.

So thank you, Peter. Legend. Yeah, he is great, dude. He is great. And you know what's interesting? It's like I recognized him and I heard the name. I just kind of didn't put it all together. And then as soon as I looked into who it was,

I was like, holy shit, yeah, of course. I mean, the amount of things that he's done. Friday night, so, that's a huge one. So much good work. Black Hawk down, like a bunch of great movies. Yeah, and you got a respect. So yeah, he got a respect. He made the, he made the mini series, I guess you would call it. So yeah, he got a respect. He made the he made the

mini series, I guess you would call it, I think it's like six episodes called painkiller on Netflix. It is fascinating. I mean, it's things that we've heard about, you know, the oxycutan express was a great documentary back in the day and on Netflix too, I believe. documentary back in the day and on Netflix too, I believe. But to really highlight the damage that OxyContin caused, what the Sackler family did, how they got away with it all, how they still made billions, even though they were fine billions,

and even the way they're paying off their fine. So their fine is like $6 billion, but they're literally paying it over, I think, a decade or even 20 years, like it's a long time, and they can literally make the payments using the interest of the other billions that they've made. Well, shocking. Yeah, I don't know how shocking that is. I mean, towards the end there, when. Yeah, but I don't know how shocking that is.

I mean, towards the end there when he said, yeah, I wish there could be some sort of, you know, real punishment and to to Peters on, you know, Peters behalf, he's saying that the real punishment is to deface the name and to get take, start taking their name off of the museums and all these other spots at the mat. And you know, I agree. Get the names off of there. Fuck those guys, man. Yeah. They knew what they were doing.

I mean, the silver lining is right at the end, he did say that the Supreme Court has basically, so the six billion was for a total immunity. They pay this and then they're totally free. Well, the Supreme Court, I guess, recently did something to where they're like, you know what? I don't think this fits. And there may be other prosecutions to come. And we might even change how the fines work and the rest of it. So they're still hope, but people just can't get away with this shit. Okay, but but here's the here's the thing with me that makes it that makes me so upset about it.

Regardless of these complete just devils, right? These guys are just there's so money hungry. They don't care about life. Now that being said, what is the Supreme Court doing about these tests and these, these so-called, you know, medical journals that are basically propaganda made by these companies. And all of a sudden, we're just supposed to believe these medical journals that are just falsifying what the drug actually does and what it's capable of and how addictive it is. And that's the whole reason it got through the FDA, right? Uh-huh. So what was basically this one individual, where's the other one individual, the work to the FDA that was ultimately the guy that was to approve it.

And through the mini series and what Peter was saying is basically, but they couldn't, they couldn't persuade him, right? So then they started these little braving tactics where they were just giving him a lot of confluence, helping like funding research he was doing, putting him on papers. And he still was like, look, all of this is well and good, but I can't approve this drug. It's too addictive. It's basically heroin in a pill form. Right. It's going to be a problem. Then the sacchairs take this guy to a hotel for the weekend.

Nobody knows what happened there. Nobody knows what they got up to. But basically once they were done, he was like, yeah, it's believed to not be addictive. So they've made me sleepy. He was like, yeah, it's believed to not be addictive. Which is some funky wording that had never been used before. And within a few years, he left the FDA, went to work for the saccharisum, he'd like 400 grand a year. Right, well, there you go. So again, my first question, how do we stop that?

Because these families are going to keep coming along. From big farmers already here, big farmers already controlling so much of this world that we live in. I don't know if it's stoppable. I mean, we already know for a fact that whatever happens with the the jabs we all got in the last two years, that there it doesn't matter, right? They can't be held accountable. They're already off the hook for the jab. So that tells you something.

Yeah. Well, they're good at protecting their ass because they know that oftentimes they basically know that they couldn't have possibly done enough research. And they turned a blind eye because they knew they were making a lot of money. And when you cut corners, you're taking risks and those risks need to be mitigated. So they come in heavy with this, hey, we're helping people, you know, and we need to be insulated from being sued, which is fucked up, you know, why not, why not bring that to a vote, you know, to where everybody just gets on their phones. It's not even Congress or the Senate. It's just everybody has an app and you can just log in and say, should we give them immunity because we need this so much?

Nobody would have voted, yes. No way. There'd have been like 14 people, the work that Pfizer or Sackler. Or, you know, the, the 300,000 people that before they died, uh, from taking the drug, we're like, yeah, no, vote for them. I need the drug. I need the drugs so bad I don't care. I need it. Yeah, right. They don't. Yes.

Yeah, keep them in. It's all good. Yeah. Well, but remember, obviously, can't even at best, even if it worked the very best way it could. It wasn't saving lives. It was just reducing massive chronic pain. And it had a place to some degree because like there are people in immense amounts of pain.

I get it. And you can't even imagine what they go through day to day just trying to function. It's awful. So, you know, it's just heartbreaking to watch this show. Like, it's very good. I recommend everybody watch it. Todd definitely go watch it. But I had to turn it off a few times.

There were a few evenings that I was watching the episodes and I was like, you just got to turn the soft babe. I mean, it was reminding me of like, what happened during COVID and with Pfizer and just like like just ultimately being duped. I mean, I never took oxys, but I could just, I don't know, I could feel the pain of these people that were like, their lives were ruined, dude. People had died. I mean, it was, it was a massacre that's like shrouded behind a curtain of, oh, we're helping people.

Right. It's disgusting. Well, isn't that beyond the discussion? Aren't we in a corporateocracy? Isn't that what that's called? Like, when basically the corporate interests of the world are now basically part of our government. And there's no real stopping that. I don't know how you stop that unless the people start revolting, but I don't think we

need to revolt. I think people need to make movies like this. Yeah. They need to make shows like this. Rogen needs to interview people like this. A lot of people need to hear about it. And then hopefully in time, maybe a generation or so, the next group coming up just says, you know what? We don't care about this. We can make money other ways.

You know, and that's the thing. If when they're like, oh, it's all about making money and not against people making money, the economy making money. But you can do it in ways that it doesn't kill a bunch of people. I get it. I get it. That's for sure.

And if we're gonna talk about our right to assemble, which is in the First Amendment, it's part of the freedom of speech and the press, right? We have, we can express, we have, we're protected to express those ideas through speech and press, but also to assemble or gather with a group or protest for other reasons. Now, as far as I know, protesting has been deemed illegal in several of our states. Really? Yeah, so I will look that up, but let's not forget. been deemed illegal in several of our states. Really? Yeah, so I will look that up, but let's not forget.

I know it was basically in Canada, which is like super fucked up. In the beginning. Depending on what you're protesting. You know, and look, there's a fine line, right? Like we've seen people get arrested for protesting and it wasn't malicious, it wasn't, or malicious, sorry, it wasn't malicious, it wasn't, or malicious, sorry, it wasn't a threat,

but people are still getting arrested for it. So that's a violation of First Amendment rights right there. And, you know, who's to say, and my point being is that if we don't keep making these things like pain killer, could there be a stop to people making these movies? I mean, Peter Berg didn't talk about this at all, but were there threats against his life from the Sackler family?

Who knows? Yeah. Maybe. I mean, it's just all about how much power they get, right? This is why it's always important to push back against things that ultimately help people. Not these companies and pharmaceuticals and whoever's in charge of the news and the press. I say fair play to Netflix for putting this up. I mean, it's not super controversial. They're not being paid by the Sackler family, I'm sure. But I think it does open the door eventually

to like a really decent Pfizer and Moderna documentary. I'm sure we're not ready for it yet, because still so many people don't want to talk about it, and they don't want to think about, you know, where their stance was during this, that whole process. But I think something just as sketchy can come out about that in the next few years. And this is kind of open in the door for it.

I'm sure it's in the making, dude, right now. No doubt. Let's talk a little bit about Peter Berg doing mushrooms and trying to get into Area 51. What a legend. It's my lovely guy. Yeah. What a legend, dude. He just got close and they were like, you guys are on mushrooms, right? He's like, yeah, they're

like, okay, go down the road, go to the hotel, chill out with the rest of the conspiracy nonsense. That's like that joy. And when we were in Austin, trying to go to the capital building, that's a whole nother story there, Bob. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Walk to the Capitol on shrooms. Horror idea. Yeah. It's not as beautiful as you think. You just freak out because you think everyone's a cop. Because everybody is a cop. Everyone was a cop. Telling you, it wasn't making that out of time. Yeah. But yeah, just think of all the different adventures that he's been on and what I mean,

I feel like all good documentarians are like that, you know, they're explorers that willing to take risks. They're journey. You know, they want to know a lot about what's going on and what's kind of fucked up in our society. They're, they're important people. Absolutely, man. I mean, look at the guy who, who produced Narcos is the same guy that made the movie about the oxy cotton guys. This is before the pain killer

movie. He actually made the series Narcos, which is an incredible series. And we look at, you know, this version of Pablo Escobar. And guess he was a, he was a horrible man. But is he any different than the Sackler family? No. One's just more legal than the other according to our laws. Well, kind of, I mean, this guy killed motherfuckers, right? Pablo like directly killed people. I understand.

But how is that any different than the Sacklers under indirectly killing people is what I'm saying. They're both evils. Yeah, there's, there's like a degree of separation. I guess, for sure. I guess. Ultimately, it's the same thing. I mean, you know, what's worse, I don't know if I'm really directly ordering 10,000 people to be killed or accidentally having a hundred

thousand people be killed for a drug that you knew would kill people. That's what I'm saying. It's like, how do you weigh that up? I'm sorry. How is that different? If you knew that the pill you were giving people is going to eventually kill X amount of people, how is that any different than going out in the streets with a machine gun? You know, or Pablo, you know, shooting one of his homies, you know, in the head because he didn't listen to him or he lied to him. How is that any different?

I don't see a huge disconnect there. It's one's a little bit more ruthless, maybe. I get your point, but to me, it sounds different. It does sound different. She's someone in the head. But I still like, they're both bad. They're both bad. And look, at the end of the day, it's not that much different.

It's just one seems a little bit more cruel than the other because it's more direct. It's a, it's a, and it, but it's not just, it's like a lot of lives destroyed too. And, um, well, think about, think about how your position would change if your son or daughter died because of an oxycodone addiction

or oxycodone addiction. Mm-hmm. You know? Oh yeah, dude, I'd be furious. Right. I mean, this is why I get worked up because I do try to think about, like, sure, it hasn't really affected my life in any way or family members that I know of, but it doesn't make it okay. And you should take the time to say, Hey, your fellow humans got fucked by this.

You should be just as outraged. You don't need to wait until something bad happens to you. You know, it's like if someone's trashing your neighbor's house, sure, you're glad it's not your house. But you know, go out there and be pretty pissed off. Yeah. I'm chasing these little bastards. Support your community. I mean, I'm sure within five miles of where I live, a lot of people's lives have been deeply negatively impacted by what the Sackle family did, you know, they're in my community. Well, let's move on a little bit. There's a couple more things I wanted to point out. We're at 15 minutes here, but the Nobel Prize, right, the guy who is first called the merchant of death for inventing died.

How about that for a zinger? That was interesting. So Mr. Nobel was the merchant of death and then he in order to save face on his name created the Nobel Peace Prize. That was an interesting one. Yeah, Alfred Nobel. And then the was surprised that Rogan didn't know those stories. I had never heard of either.

Yeah. Well, there's a few interesting things. So obviously he did that to save his name, which is like what the sack was it doing by putting their name in the all the fancy art shit and all the medical schools. It's not art. Come on, these are beautiful museums.

All right, they're fine. I just forgot the name of the one in New York. So I just said that on the mat. There we go. I was thinking the Louvre, but that's Paris. It's Paris. Paris. I've been there.

It's cool. But yeah, so to save face and let's be fair, he did create a thing that is, you know, people wanna strive towards, but as we heard on the podcast last week, it's not always ideal to be striving towards these things. So there's problems there, but it's a great way to highlight scientific achievement and these sorts of things.

But here's a fun fact that they didn't mention on that and just something I knew, is there is no Nobel Prize in mathematics. And that is because a woman like he proposed to Alfred cheated on him with a mathematician. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, a bit petty, right? So you do this thing to like make your name and everything seem better than just because somebody cheated on you. Now there's no Nobel

prize in math math. Alfred's got to learn how to let go. He's okay. Okay. Anyway, well great. There we go. That was a great one. That was a great one. Moving on. Who's next brother? Well, let's do the musician who is the big name of the moment. Oh, Mr. Oliver Anthony, whose real name is Chris Christopher. That was fun to hear. Yep. Wow. Yeah. That was amazing. I mean, if you don't get goosebumps or start shedding a tear when you hear this guy saying, I don't know. I don't know if you're human. I'm unreal. It's so good.

And what's really cool is there's a lot of videos online. You know, they do those. I don't know what they call them on YouTube where it's like one of the influences is just kind of a reaction video, I think, right? It's just reaction video. And there's people from all walks of life. You know, there's there's African Americans, Hispanics, from all walks of life, you know, there's there's African-Americans, Hispanics, like all types of people that you may think initially wouldn't listen to like that

level of country kind of banjo sounding music, but when the words were hitting, just watching all their reactions, like, and the point they were making is it really touches people today. You know, it's like it's a hard time. You know, economies are garbage. We're getting tax, we're not getting paid much. People are struggling in all areas of the country. And this really speaks to that in a powerful way. And you know, I think it, and also I think it was when Joe put all of her on his Instagram

and it got like 12 million views or something insane. I was watching his, in fact, our mutual friend Aaron was telling me that he'd been watching the Instagram going up rapidly from like 20,000 to like over 200,000 in a couple of days. And as soon as he said that to me, I started tracking it and his numbers went through the roof. And I think that was the start of a lot of him just blowing up. Pretty cool. He's Rogan's influence.

Pretty cool. I mean, the video he said the, what was it? The number two iTunes Downloads for that week or whatever was his song that he had just recorded on his Android phone Yeah, crazy Well these phones again a lot better the poor guy was like that now Essentially, I mean what I heard from him. It was the guy was about to kill himself

I mean he was on the verge of killing himself. Let's see, maybe he wouldn't have gone through with it, but it sounded to me like he was so depressed. He was having such bad panic attacks. He had to go to the hospital. He thought he was having a heart attack at 31 years old. He was getting shooting beans in his hands and his feet and his up into his neck. And what I love to hear is, you know, obviously he started to read the Bible again. It was religious, that was great.

Good for him, love that. If it helps you, hell yeah. But CBD flower, baby, smoked that CBD flower. I'd say they took away all of his anxiety. He got off of antidepressants because they were just numbing him out. I gotta say, I've been on antidepressants,

I'm not anymore. I hear what he's saying there with the numbness. I would rather have a little bit more unevenness than that steady numbness, especially as a creative. I really did appreciate what he was saying there. Like, as a creative, it was so hard for him to write songs on antidepressants. And it's almost like you need those highs and lows

to really capture what it is you're feeling sometimes. And this is a personal, you know, this is my own ideas here, but it sounded to me like he also agreed with that of like, man, I just couldn't, couldn't really get to where I needed to go with the antidepressants. And I'm not saying they're bad for people. I think they're great in certain situations, but I don't think people should just be on them all the time.

I think it's reasonable to say that being numb, however you got there, stifles creativity. Of course. It just does. Maybe there's a balance, maybe like low dose, just to keep your way from the really scary ends of how you're feeling and how you could react. But still gives you enough to imagine and dream and come up with these amazing things. But that's the problem overprescribed. I mean, often what we talk about on here, what we just talked about with the previous. Yeah, well, in the traumatic brain injury, I mean, how that's not a coincidence for him to be knocked out. And I mean, it sounded like he had such a bad head injury from where he worked at that factory that he almost died from it. I mean, the clearly he said he didn't get started getting depressed until after that. We're seeing that. Yeah, it doesn't sound good.

depressed until after that. We're seeing that. Yeah, it doesn't sound good. So that head injury probably did cause some real issues. Joe did suggest that he can go get like certain test on to see, you know, what his hormone levels on, things like that. That might be worth doing. Do you think, okay, if you listen to that jaco clip every morning, don't you think you would just produce more fucking high quality stuff? I mean, that is one of the absolute best. Like, you think I, the tiger is a good song. Okay, why don't you play I, the tiger with that jaco clip plane, you know, with that at the same time.

100%. I mean, I feel like, you know, they say Jordan Peterson said this recently in a podcast on fear with fear of on. And he said, one thing you want to master or become, basically become a master out is gratitude. If you can master the idea of gratitude, so like these gratitude lists and all this stuff. If you can master the idea of gratitude, so like these gratitude lists and all this stuff and I get that I'd say Day-to-day when you're feeling mostly okay, but a little bit kind of worried and anxious Have a good list of shit that you're really grateful for Often times the first one is your health. Take it for granted. Why are you at the gym?

Yeah, or whenever right just just go over a little less. Like I'm healthy, I've got friends, you know, I've made it through hard things before. I've got a beautiful girl, whatever it is, you know, just make your little list. However, sometimes things get so bad, all you can do is focus on the problem. Of course. It's like, it's so difficult to look at any other direction. And I think Jocco's good video is the best thing I've ever seen for that. Because if you watch the whole thing, and why Rogan loves it, is because it focuses entirely on each problem, and then the simple answer is good. And this

is why. Good. And this is better. Good. And this is why you will improve. And those things are fucking true. Hard shit that you get through with a positive attitude and you don't build resentment. You get out of it stronger. It just sucks to go through, which I guess is. I mean, one of the biggest examples that I've seen of that was a friend of mine who lost his arm, right? Our buddy, I won't mention his name, but he lost his arm while he was hunting. He got electrified by a bear. I will say the name of the video is charged. It's an amazing film. You should watch it. But in the video, so his girlfriend at the time, they're no longer together, was videotaping the whole thing while he was in the hospital and going through the burn center and all this traumatic stuff, getting his arm cut off and, you know, stuff

that you just, he's like a nightmare, right? Like holy shit, my arm's getting cut off. That is an absolute nightmare. By the end of the movie, he goes, would you, would you take anything back? Like, would you, do you regret any of this happening? He goes, absolutely not. I'm so glad this happened to me. And you see so many examples of that of like, people going through the most horrific things. And that was just one example of like, guys arm got cut off, right? That's a horrific thing. No one wants their arm cut off.

He's happy it did. He goes, I'm glad it did because it brought me to all these other things now that I'm doing. Now he's helping all these challenged athletes who have lost limbs and he's helping kids. He's going to speak in front of schools at assemblies and huge events with 20,000, 30,000 people he's standing in front of them and now talking. None of this stuff would have happened if he didn't lose his arm when get electrocuted like that. So you really do. That's just such a huge example of gratitude of like yep glad it happened Even though you're going through you think that the what it did for him is like give him a

More defined purpose then maybe you had before something like that. I think so. I think it also it just humbled it just humbled the guy You know just absolutely just broke him down to pieces, you know, and just took away his ego, probably a lot, a lot of that. Yeah. Realized what's important in life. I think when you're sitting in a hospital bed for months on end, you realize what, what matters a lot more than when you're out fucking around or, right? I, you know, I think that a lot of this like humbling and the rest of it.

And I would imagine Joe's mentorship because it sounds like Joe has spent some time with all of us talk to him, you know, wants to know him, wants to get him back on the pod. But, you know, he's been, all of us been talking about having these $8 million contracts thrown out of, you know, with like a lot of this back talk, you know, under the table, like, hey, you know, we got to strike while the iron is hot and get on board

and here's the contract and let's push it through and, you know, and it's cool that he's slowed down and said, no, I'm gonna do this the right way, I'm gonna do this my way. And that's hard to do this the right way. I'm going to do this my way. And that's hard to do, dude. He needs going from being super broke to somebody offering you mega money. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't want to lose himself in this. Yeah. He, of course, not. And he, yeah, good for him, dude. Hell yeah. Oliver for, for knowing yourself. That that could be a,

a really bad situation if he were to just take something without thinking about it, right? But hopefully he's getting the right mentorship, not just Joe, but other musicians and no doubt. I mean, think of any musicians Joe knows that he can connect him with, you know, Jos Malone, like, I mean, the list goes on, dude. He's awesome. So many people he can act in with. And then he's taking criticism too. They're saying that his song is like, I don't know all the criticism that he's taking, but they did talk about Dwight from the office saying, it's not about these different things. It's about billionaire's not paying their way. And when Rogan says,

there's nothing better than Baleanez talking and complaining about Baleanez. Yeah. It's like, shut the fuck up. What's weird about that is Dwight, you know, from the office, I can't think of his real name, but he, you know, he was just on rich role. He just did that whole Netflix series about depression and being depressed and having panic attacks. That was a confusing one for me. So he was, he's actually making fun of the song and saying it's not about just the brokenhearted and the people not making money. Is that what he's actually saying?

Yeah, he's just like blaming the world's problems on Billionaires and not just like the government. So whatever. I mean, that's strange. That's a little strange, especially since he just made a ton of money off of his own story about being depressed. Yeah, I mean,

I don't know what else. Dude, the lobsters, I love how he brought up the lobsters if we're speaking to Jordan Peterson again because that book is amazing. Yeah, 10 rules for life. I mean one of my, one of my favorite books of a few years ago, that was just an amazing book. But one of the first chapters talks about how when ago. That was just an amazing book. But one of the first chapters talks about how when lobsters are fighting for a mate, that if they get, if one of the lobsters gets hurt, that basically they're depressed for the rest of their life. It's kind of crazy.

Yeah, you got your ass kicked and now, they can't compress. They can't compress, then you suck. And they give them antithepressants. They just become a bum lobster, dude. It's like he's talking about social hierarchy dominance, you know, and that it exists. And it's it's it's the point that I think Jordan brings up with that in the book is these hierarchies have existed way before humans even

hierarchies have existed way before humans even were around. Like this isn't a new thing and it's in almost every type of life and it's what exists. You just have to accept it. You can't pretend that everyone can be on an equal playing field. It's not going to work like that. No, no, that's true. All right. Well, but it sounds like he's doing some good reading. Sounds like he's, you know, he's a thinker, dude. And the fact that I don't think I've ever heard and Ben Shapiro talked about this. I don't think I've ever heard somebody come on, Rogan and like talk about scripture

and even their experience with religion and then read some scripture and be so kind of supported by Rogan in that space, you know? Because he wasn't coming on trying to be persuasive like, hey, you should all be religious. He wasn't doing anything like that. He's just saying, this helped me and these are things that I look to when I've been struggling.

It's cool stuff. Well, that's the difference. You know, what you just pointed out is the difference between someone who's religious and open-minded and someone who's just religious and is thinks that they're right. So Oliver clearly doesn't care whether he's right or wrong it just works for him and he doesn't care. He's not pushing in agenda, he's not telling you what's right or wrong. He's just saying it works. Like he said, he's an open-minded guy. Obviously, I mean they talked about right the end, they talked about the younger driest theory,

and all of her is going, yeah, that makes sense. I get it. And scripture always talks about how we're always starting over, and this is gonna happen again, you know? And to mesh that in with the scripture is cool. It's like the more modern version of, you know, reading the Bible in a less, what would you say that? Pretentious way.

You're not even pretentious, but just like not taking it so literally, right? Like every word is fucking script of scripture as God's word. It's like, okay, let's step back. It's like, hey, there's useful stuff in this. It's a nice thing to turn to when I'm struggling with some stuff. Maybe I get something useful out of it. There you go. I mean, it's the all that you want to be all this self-help book.

So potentially love that. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I also like the fact that he said, I'm probably not going to do a lot of interviews and podcasts. You know, he's just going to stick to himself, focus on his music. And, you know, I like that. I like that at the end. Rog, Rogan was like, well,

cool. Let's, uh, let's come back around a couple of years to have you back on. Let's, let's see where you're at. Yeah. Well, I wish him the best. I hope he keeps making songs like that because who we goosebumps. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in stope. I've been, I've listened to a lot. Big fan. Huge fan. All right. Let's jump over to Jeremy Corvall and George NAP. Once again, Jeremy's back on. I love that he's coming on every like how many months. Obviously we just had the congressional hearings with Frava and the other guys. Bruce, crush, David Grush.

Yep. Yep. I like that with David, they talked a little bit of his background, you know, because I think a lot of people like who is this guy? Like where's he come from? Is he legit? You know, he was hired by our own government to look into exactly what he was looking into and he ends up finding a ton of witnesses and testimony of of crafts that we don't know

about. And yeah, so he did his job well for the government. And then they turned around and tried to discourage him, discredit him, say that he's not and kick him out quietly. Unreal. And thank God for these whistleblower laws that came up. The only bummer with them is it's like, okay, you can whistleblow, but you can only say a few things. And so much is unsaid. And obviously, he doesn't have any physical proof, just a lot of stories,

you know, maybe has documentation, other things, but fucking interesting. I feel like we're getting close. I hope so. I just hope we're excited about it when it happens. I feel like the way the news cycle goes, we could, you know, like in, in a year or so, just be like, okay, here's the alien and people look at it and we're all astonished for a week and we're all talking about it. And then it's just back to, you know, Barbie Britney Spears, New Hacker or whatever changes our

opinion. You know, attention. Britney's back. She might be. She could be back. Brands Alina. Mm hmm. So they're putting together this document. They've got these photos. He was working for the UAV task force, right? So he was, he was, he was trying to figure out what these UFOs or, you know, crafts were and if there was any legitimacy behind it, and he finds out there is. And like you said, they are trying to discredit him, but what I appreciated and they mentioned this church committee a few times. So the church committee was the oversight committee back in the 70s, right? Was that for, um, was that for Nixon? Is that when that started? I don't know. Look up the church.

Look up the church committee because I think that was the huge. That was one of the biggest takeaways I received from this podcast is that yes, these are all good things. But if there's not oversight by our own Senate in these hearings, then we don't really know what happened behind closed doors, right? If there's no oversight, they can make things up, they can discredit people, they can do whatever they want, right? And we don't know about it. So at the end of the day,

it's like, are they really just coming out and saying whistle blowing is okay, just so they can find all these people and then discredit them, right? It's like, we got what we wanted. Fuck you. And that, no, I think it's, I think it's the Senate and Congress and even the White House is not having their questions answered from the military or whoever could be holding these secrets. And they're saying we want to know more about this. So they're appointing people to go look into it. And then they've also created like a safety net for them to speak. Now, they still have to be careful about breaking any clearance stuff because that will be treason. But, you know, they're kind of opening the door is what it seems like. It just shows that there's a lot of secrecy going on. And that's kind of unnerving because,

you know, Congress and the Senate passed the bills that, you know, divide money up between what the military gets or the intelligence agencies and so on, yet they have no idea where it's going, what it's being used for, and they can't even ask about some stuff. Right. Right. I just don't know what the benefit is. It's like, okay, don't show all the plans if you're trying to reverse engineer stuff, so we have the dopest military technology.

But why not also be like, yeah, and we trust the people in this country. And here we go. This is what we have. We have this. I mean, that's bigger news than we made it to the moon. Like, isn't it? Isn't it fucking like a cool celebration just a, just to say, yeah, they exist. Here we go. I mean, yeah, but it's really worried about everyone overnight. We'll be like, oh, I can't be religious now. I'm turning back on God.

Again, well, there's a few things here, right? First of all, you have the Intelligence Authorization Act, which is what they're trying to pass right now, which does not sound that amazing. It's great. It needs to get passed, but there needs to be some amendments clearly, because one of the things Jeremy mentioned towards the end is, yes, they're doing this intelligence act and you can come out and be a whistleblower and not get, I guess, we've already seen that people are getting discredited.

So I can't say you're not going to get discredited for what you say, but you cannot get thrown in jail, I guess. Other than that, though, he mentioned that if the government finds something, if you come out and say you have something, that's, you know, unidentifiable, whether it's an alien craft or whatever it may be, the government can then come in and seize it. So they can do, they can use excessive domain, or eminent domain, sorry. So they can take everything from you.

So that's a little concerning, right? It's like they're passing these laws, but at the end of the day, they're just taking all your shit and hiding it. Like, what are they going to do with it? Yeah. Like, imagine if you gonna do with it? Yeah. Like, imagine if you came out and said, dude, I found this spaceship part, Todd.

It's insane. It look at this thing. It's clearly not human. Uh-huh. You call the government, they come just steal it from you. And it's like, then you're just some crazy guy who never had anything, right? And they're like, yeah, Adam's crazy.

He's taken too much out, so it would whatever. Uh-huh. You know, he thinks he's a glass of orange juice. Yeah, they could say whatever they want. I mean, to some degree, I think if, yeah, if you found a UFO in your back garden, I don't know if you should be able to keep it. It could be potentially problematic. Right.

It would be like, I don't know, like finding a bunch of like a nuclear reactor back there. You probably want to bring some people in. And but to think that they would also make you sign a bunch of stuff and threaten your family if you said anything and like confiscate your whole house or whatever, like ruin your life so they could keep a secret. That's the bits that I don't careful. Right. It's like, no, no, no, you can't, you can't do that. Yeah. And how do you explain this UFO swarms over 10 Navy ships over the Omaha ship? And then, you know, that was the huge thing that came out in 2019, right? They had four

different sources from four different video sources. Yeah, different angles. And all of a sudden the government calls Jeremy and says, how did you get that other angle? And he goes, well, I'm a journalist, dude, I'm not gonna tell you my sources, like, sorry, dude. Yeah, and I like that. And I like that he's protected like that. But how sick is that?

That the journalists had more info than the actual government. And they were investigating it at the same time. Right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, people are coming to Jeremy all the time now. I mean, he is become the guy to turn to. And what's really nice is now that's like a center

of information. So instead of it back in the day, just being like hundreds of different people that are really into UFOs or collecting information Maybe they got a website people are going to forums it now. It's like you get anything good It's not gonna take long before it gets to Jeremy You're gonna send it to someone who knows someone who will send it his way and all he's doing all day is piecing things together He's getting every bit of footage, you know, every sighting,

every anecdotal story. He can probably map them all out. I mean, it's a really awesome information center for this whole phenomena. And it's going to lead to better outcomes and more information. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. What would you think about the, I loved him saying, Lazar must be the luckiest con man on earth because everything he talked about is basically coming true. More and more things are starting to add up. I mean, yeah. I really, I don't know if there's more to be gained by having Lazar back on, but people

want it bad. I mean, that was such a huge show for Rogan. And that's not the reason to have him back on, but people want it bad. I mean, that was such a huge show for Rogan, and that's not the reason I have him back on, or I don't think Rogan would do it just for that reason. But, you know, if more things come to light, and then you can go back and like have like the story again from Lazar, or maybe he even Lazare himself thanks to these new whistleblower laws for safety. He can now talk about some of the things he felt like he couldn't and expand upon it. I just think there's more to be said there and it would be so epic to having back on it. And especially just a redemption story, right?

People were still suspicious when he came on. I mean, Joe was a little bit, but if this is all coming out and he gets to come back on, it's like, see, I fucking told you so. Right. I wasn't making it up. I'm not crazy. Totally. What do you think about the hope there was that Bell Labs thing, right?

From from where they made the, what is that? The, right, from from where they made the, what is that, the Los Alamos, which they were they made the atomic bomb, but they were talking about, I don't know if this was at Los Alamos or somewhere else, but it was somewhere near the bell labs, right, which was next to Los Alamos, right, they were talking, they said that some guy came out in the 70s and he was trying to reverse engineer something and it was some sort of superconductor. And then you never hear of it again. So when I hear of things like that, like, hey, we were reverse engineering this thing that

could have, may or may not have been a super conductor back in the 70s, you don't think we know how to do that by now. 15 years later, give me a break. Of course we do. Right. How are we still hiding it though, right? 10 years later, give me a break. Of course we do. Right. How are we still hiding it though, right? Because I remember that whole superconductor article

came out one or two years ago that had we had created something that could be cold, even though it's creating free energy. And you write, the superconductor is when the energy field is, it doesn't change, right it's like a you can conduct something through a full order. I think a superconductor and we can only make them when they're super cold. Right. And they they can conduct electricity without losing any of it. Right. So it's a hundred percent efficient. It's basically. And it was talk of these like

Korean teams recently making a room temperature one, which would be massive It would be the biggest game changer ever. I mean that would be some of the most profitable technology you could even think of making right. Um, I guess it was debunked But yeah, was it though? Was it debunked or you know, is it the same story we've been hearing throughout this whole podcast of people coming out saying something and then they get discredited because the information is too scary or too true. Well, it's real. I don't know. I mean, they made it and they patented it.

Like unless it was just stolen from them, then, you know, they would release the technology because companies would want to buy it. A lot of different companies would want to buy technology. What happened to the guy who created it? Is he dead? I don't really know. I don't know a lot of the story of those guys. It was just fairly recently. This was my favorite one of the week. Gotta say. It was good. It pumps me up. And, you know, the Jeremy has been on before. And I think I just was too excited for it

And it was a little underwhelming, but after the congressional hearings and some other things I mean, it's really exciting that this is happening and we're just slowly but surely learning so much, you know, I mean, let's just finish with the one story of the Sutton family. It was like an old cowboy style family. And I mean, they told a few old anecdotal stories, but you know, there's like country folk, right, that probably aren't reading a lot of alien novels. They wouldn't be the types of nerds that would be super into UFOs, talking about a crash landing, an alien in a suit, shooting at it, big eyes, scared the whole family, you know, probably massively discredited by their community back then who were sure or religious and didn't believe in it.

It was in the 50s, right? Or 60s. I think so, yeah. It was a while ago. So you know, but they still stuck by it. They're like, no, this happened. We saw this. This was real.

This is like nothing I've ever seen. It's like, you've got to wonder, you know, I guess these events, you're so rare that there's not more of these stories, but I don't know, dude. You would think with every, pretty much every human, at least in the, you know, in the more affluent countries of the world have cell phones at their hip by their side all day long, you would think we would get some more video footage like, let's go. Get your phone to that. Yeah, that's always the, that's always the thing that it's like why?

But you know, also, it's like they were saying, you know, you see it up in the sky, even with the best phones we have today, it's hard to like zoom in and keep the stable capture it. You know, you people aren't really walking around with, with like video grade, proper cameras, you know, so those people are rare, you know, unless a film crew just happens to be in the area where UFOs are, you're not going to get anything too good, because they're just zipping around. However, let's say there's a crash and some aliens are running down the street, I mean,

I feel like that would be pretty compelling if we got some video of that. Take your phone out. Well, pretty soon. Anyway, pretty soon we're going to be doing that on AI and someone will post it. We'll think it's real. We won't know the difference. So that's going to get crazy. Yeah, who knows what the way.

Great week. Great week of pods. Obviously Bill Maher was on as well. We kind of skipped over him, but we're going to run a clip sound by next week that I felt was Really important and and just kind of do a bit of a bit of a cover But anyway, thank you Todd and thank everybody for listening. We appreciate you guys as always and We're talking next week. All right, peace out. Thanks for tuning in, folks.