Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 347 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Michael Easter Et al.

Episode Date: October 5, 2023

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Yo and welcome to this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. We're just going to start with a quick shout out to a good friend of mine, Shane Wallen. He's a musician that has been slugging away for a long time, putting in the work. I mean, this guy performs live, I don't even know, 300 days a year, like ridiculous. And I always like to shout out anyone that is on a creative endeavor that is, you know, pushing their own limits, the amount of sacrificing that goes in, whether you go into stand up comedy or art,

painting, like like obviously music, it's it's it's such a difficult endeavor, you know, there's so much pressure to just have a quote unquote regular job and this guy is stuck at it, worked his ass off, been an incredible family man, father, and gets it done, and recently just released a new album. I want to play a little bit from one of the songs that actually relates to a place that I moved to when I first got to New Mexico. And for me, moving from England to New Mexico, which is like something that I really haven't talked about on this podcast before.

You know, I was 13 years old. The transition was so extreme and it was so different. And New Mexico really became like this incredible journey for me, this home that it's so special to me, it means so much. We live just east of the mountain and this song relates to it. I want you guys to check it out. There's links in the bio you can watch this video which is fucking awesome, so well done. But like I said, this guy is blowing up and I wanted you guys to get it and hear it, so check it out andan Experience Review podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience

podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and pass them on to you, perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's Walking Dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Fulon. My heat of the worst podcast. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan experience for you. My name is Adam.

Join us always by my co-host Todd. Todd Lee, the Todd Meister. Hmm, Todderson. What up my friends? What's up my listening amigos? What's cracking on your end, Todd? I know we just spoke for the five minutes before we started this, but let's pretend that we hadn't and we're just connecting now. Let's say, hi, my older brother was in town for three days. So, you know, I'm nursing like a three

day hangover. It was great. But my brother likes to best way to podcast I found likes to drink and so we drank and Met up with some old friends had some really good dinners. We basically just been eating and drinking for three days. It's been good That's great lots of vegetarian food Well, we only gotten to one fight about him being a vegan last night and I told him I just because I told him that cancer can't live in a keto diet And he got fucking pissed off. Hey, you can do like vegan keto, I believe. Well, it's going to be how you'd have to just eat coconut all the time or something. It's going to be a poser story to say the least, okay?

It can be done. The story is a vegan guy and a keto guy getting to a fight about their, you know, which diet's gonna kill them first and then they both die in a car crash on the way home. Oh, pretty good. Yeah, we're often worried about inconsequential stuff. And look, if you meet up with your brother for a weekend, drink a lot and don't get in at least one fight, then I don't, that's weird.

Yeah. And it was a small one. You're supposed to fight with your brothers. It was a small one, you know. Just there's just something about people and maybe this is just my experience, but people who are either vegetarian or vegans, they just love to talk about it

and it's like, I don't give a fuck. And you shouldn't care about my diet, I shouldn't care about yours. Let's leave it at that. Let's not talk about it. It would be funny. It would be funny if people that just had regular eating habits always wanted to talk about it. I love the Doritos I ate today.

They pro-cow. I eat a lot of chick filet. I'm telling you, chick filet really is the best. To each their own, dude, whatever, I can't imagine being a vegan, but I'm glad it works for him and he enjoys it. So God speed. God speed. All right. What we got this week. We got Michael Easter. Yes, sir. Sean O'Malley and Tim Welsh. I was we had that guy's name and Mr. Joe, Joe list. And then Joe list, legendary comedian. Very, very funny. And you know, bit, bit nerdy, which is great. He kind of has like the Neil Brennan vibe.

There you go. Love that love the Neil Brennan vibe. Yeah, Michael Easter has been on Rogan before, um, fascinating dude, like imagine his life, like being able to just travel like that and write and explore and learn about people and like just like this pursuit of education that you get paid for. Yeah. And investigate.

Beauty of being a journalist, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, not every journalist gets to do it that way, but if you can get away with it, I mean, that's got to be one of the most interesting ways to live. I mean, just because your wealth of knowledge that you're going to have, like, move through your life, or you're at least at least your perspective on things is so much more advanced than most people, you know, I wonder if he gets like really fucking bored talking to people most of the time. He's like, you don't want to live your life? Jesus. I don't think so, no. Well, there's my phone. Excuse me, and we're going to decline that. I swear I had it on silent. Excuse me.

It's because my computer's open. I was looking up a scarcity brain, which is his new book. OK, it looks great. It looks like a great book. I want to buy it. It's for sale now. It's been out for a little bit. Fix your craving mindset and rewire your habits

to thrive with enough. And you hear this all the time, like, the guy who's making a million bucks a year is way worse off mentally than the guy who's making 100 G's a year and has a good family and is able to go to his kids soccer games and is able to engage with his friends and his family and can pay all the bills. Like it makes sense in my mind that that is the pursuit you should you should be wanting. Not like I wanna make a million bucks, never get to see my kids, never get to hang out

and go see my wife or go on vacation because I'm too busy making money. And then what, then you buy a sports car who gives a fuck. But honestly though, if somebody gave you the choice, there's like two buttons in front of you. And one is make a million dollars, and then the other one is a hundred thousand dollars, and then you get all those other things.

But the million dollar one isn't saying that you abandoned from doing all those things. It is just the harder. Everyone still pushes the million dollar bond, dude. Of course they do. Of course they do. And that's the problem. But it is.

It's like you get successful when you have to sacrifice so much for it. But that was the whole point of the book. It sounds like it says, are we, are we hardwired to crave more from food and stuff to information and influence? Why can't we ever get enough? That's the whole premise of the book. Like, why is it that we're such, we're so hardwired.

Like, talked about being in a casino. It's like, we just want to keep pulling down that fricking. We want to keep pulling down that lever. I don't care how much money we're losing by the minute. There's this craving to want, want, want, something that's hardwired. Yeah. Which is strange. I really, I like that he pointed out some of those myths in the casinos, because I always

had heard like, oh, there's no clocks in there. The right angles thing I'd never heard before, but I had heard that they like pump oxygen in there. And I was like, that can't fucking be true. That's true. That's a massive oxygen tanks pumping out. That sounds like a fire hazard. Well, it's cool.

So I'm glad that he blew those out. And the no clocks thing, I did believe that one. I did notice when I went to Vegas, there's no clocks, and I never put it together that if you think about it, there's fucking no clocks almost anywhere. No, not anymore. Maybe it's a cloud of the gym, maybe in the gym. It's nice to have a clock in the gym.

I gotta get back to work, you know. Well, you know, sometimes you're like, timing your workouts. At Public Mobile, we do things differently. From our subscription phone plans to throwing a big sale right now when no one else is. Well, maybe they are, but who cares, our sale is better. And it's on right now, no waiting necessary. You have the latest phone.

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What he's saying, it's like, yeah, not really. Is there clocks just everywhere? So it's like, okay. But back to what he was saying about those machines. And I've experienced it. I don't, I don't gamble. I'm not like a gambler. I don't care.

I can go to a casino and just honestly just hang out. I'll just drink while people gamble. I'm not like a gambler, I don't care. I can go to a casino and just honestly, just hang out. I'll just drink while people gamble. I'm not really that into it. Maybe I'll throw some money in the slots or whatever. But it is interesting. I can't remember the term that he used for. Repeat searching. Repeat searching, is that the one?

No, no, no, it was like some kind of winning but near wins. Oh, yeah, near wins are half or half losses half losses. Yeah, and basically what he was saying that was is and I love that is like you'll put a dollar in You spin and it costs a dollar, but you it still lines up and goes chitcha ching and then you get 50 cents, right? Really all that happened is you lost 50 cents, but you do kind of feel like you want something. Yeah, it's a half win. Yeah, you almost win. You know, you see the three cherries and the third cherries just a little bit out of frame.

You're like, God damn it, I was so close. And then you underpinsped it another three grand on the stupid slot machine. Yeah. Cause you're so close. Oh, it does actually give you three of something, but it has like less value than the bet. And it still kind of makes you feel like it got someone. You get a bunch of pennies, so you're psyched.

And now, you know, you're tricking the human reward system. And what was interesting to me about that conversation, this is right towards the beginning of the podcast, but the fact that animals will spend the least amount of energy on the most amount of food. I mean, that is, so we so did not keep that in our DNA because, you know, we're gonna spend a lot more time getting food. I mean, maybe with fast food, it's a little bit different,

but you know what I'm saying, like we cook our food. We spend time cooking it. I think a lot of cooks and chefs, obviously, you know, we spend a lot of time in the kitchen. We prepare it. We have to shop for it. It's a whole different story rather than some bear like eating a shit ton of berries while he's just sitting on his ass. You know, he's going to spend the least amount of time to get the most amount of food. He's going to go to the spot. What they say that bears are now running towards gunfire because they know that something has just been killed and they might be able to steal it.

Yeah, that's genius, man. Yeah, they're getting smart. Yogi's getting smart. He's smart. It's not a average bear. They're already super smart. They sit at the end of the river when the salmon are coming off. Sure.

And then the those stupid salmon just jump straight into these giant hila's mouths. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good time for bears. Or bringing up the rat thing again, the rat park. Once they have a ton of toys and stuff, you know, is that could could that happen with socially, you know, nowadays with somebody who's maybe addicted to heroin?

Could you could you have that available to someone? But then if you have, you know, a community and a place for them to play or or be on a sports team or whatever, it may be instead of taking the heroin every day, maybe they would, you know, try to interact socially with other people because there's more of a reward there. But if you're depressed, you're going to keep going to the cocaine water. Yeah, I think they've shown that though. I mean, if you give an addict a real purpose, a sense of community, something like give

him value, make him feel like he's useful or her or they them or whatever it is. Nice. Like, they, you know, with any like real sense of purpose, something that you believe in and some encouragement, I mean, we crave that way more than even the super addictive nature of some of these drugs. I get it, but I also don't understand. If I was the rat and I had the park and the cocaine water, I'd be doing both. I'd be partying with my friends and drinking the cocaine water, you know.

I wouldn't just go back to the water until I had maybe a little bit too much of the coke water. I'm like, I'm real thirsty. I can't feel my face. Yeah, but you'd be that rat that like the other rats and the other rat parents. So like, you know, want. Shouldn't hang out with that. There's always one guy.

You just gonna have to like chill out there. Feel like the rat coming up with business ideas. I'd be right there ratting it up with you, Bob. Okay. Okay, we'd be licking the cocaine drip together. Yeah, cocaine water sounds pretty interesting. Hmm, sounds like a real numb, numb mouth, numb, numb esophagus. Yeah, but what a fascinating study that really is that they, you know, that they weren't killing themselves. Right.

So even when they were using it, like usually a lot less, some of them still used it and it was just like it maybe just added a bit to their lies, but they weren't relying on it It wasn't their only source of enjoyment But this is what happens with these addicts. It's like You know same thing with a gambling man people will That I heard an interesting thing once they didn't really touch on it in here, but that like part of the thrill of gambling is the losing. Maybe it's like they don't want it. They don't think that they want it, but they often go until it like, it's almost like

they're like wanting it to crash them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But what I did relate to is they talked about this woman. I can't remember the study, but she was she ended up getting fired. She was working remotely. But then her boss was able to see how much she was clicking, you know, and using her computer throughout the day. Even though she hit all of the deadlines, she hit all of the, you know, quotas and the stuff that she was asked to do,

but then yet still got fired because she wasn't on her computer enough, wasn't on her email enough. And it just reminded me of office space where most of the time people are fucking off all day, they're pretending to work, but they're probably listening to Rogan, they're probably on their phone half the time, playing solitaire, who knows what? But they're sitting there and clicking and pecking and clicking.

And if you were to see that in some sort of algorithm, like, oh, Johnny is clicking on his computer all day, he must be doing good. And then you look at his performance and it just sucks. But he's on his computer all day. Yeah. I mean, look, maybe, maybe that was like an unusual case. I know that's happening to a lot of people were potentially they're being monitored for their overall movement. Yeah, the mouse and keyboard or whatever. But you know, maybe most companies aren't really that bothered or that strict. And I was wondering after that was said on the show, I wonder if people that strict. And I was wondering after that was said on the show, I wonder if people that are at home that have that responsibility and now worried about it and overdoing it because

of this one case. I mean, I know. So our buddy Sean, mutual friend Sean, his wife had a remote job and she knew they could monitor movement of mice and things like that. And, you know, she was a great worker anyway, but she was always making sure she was in there, like anxiously, you know. So she really planned for it. And, you know, honestly, when I heard that she was doing it, I even said to her, I think, like, don't, like, don't worry about it. You work at home, make sure to do other things, but there's a track that was not great advice. They're tracking you. Yeah. She could've been fine. She was right. You're worried. Sounds like well. It is. Don't try not to have a job like that, unless

you love it and you don't mind sitting there. But what happens if you have like really bad diarrhea one day and you just got to keep pooping. You got to bring your phone in your mouse in that with you. You got to bring your phone in there and start pecking and clicking on your phone. The placebo effect is an interesting one with the wine, the wine sales that that whole movie of sour grapes sour grapesour grapes, that's what you call. That's what it's called. I have watched that movie and it's incredible. This, you know, how much money this dude made.

I mean, what a frickin scam artist. It doesn't even really upset me that much because he's selling like $200,000 bottles of wine to the Koch brothers that he claims were like Thomas Jefferson's wine bottles. Like, what a bunch of morons thinking that was true. So I'm kind of rooting for this guy a little bit, but only when he's selling to people like the Koch brothers,

but that is essentially how he got busted in the long run because they got so pissed off about it. Oh yeah. But you know. You're gonna mess with those guys. Where did you watch that? Is that Netflix thing? I think it was Netflix.

That was out a while ago. I mean, Rogan has mentioned this film a few times, but yeah. I do want to see it. I meant to watch it before. That's a freaking badass scam, honestly. Yeah. I mean, but it just goes to show this placebo effect. I mean, they've done it before. They said there was another study where they put the shitty bottle of, you know, the shitty wine into the old bottle and said that this was the really good stuff. And then they put, you know, vice versa with the good wine.

They put it in the crappy bottle and everyone thinks that the crappier wine tastes way better just on what they were told alone. Like this is the most expensive one. This is the bad one. And it just goes to show marketing, graphic design, how things look. It's that same thing like if you... Well, it's more like perceptions, perceptions and expectation, right?

I mean, like you've been told by people that know about wine, which wine should be the best one? And then they ask you what you think. You're gonna be agreeable. It's almost like a type of peer pressure. Like think about it this way, if we're in a group, right, and there's like six of us in a room sat there, and everyone in the room agrees that one particular wine is better than the other. And then you're the last one to vote on it. It's, it almost takes like a certain

type of independence and strength to even disagree. Even if you thought they were awful, especially the enthusiasm of the rest of the group, if they were like, oh my god, this is so much better. And for some reason, you're just like, no, it tastes like shit. Well, I think that's why the blind taste test made the most sense. We did that with beer in the magazine before. We did a blind taste test and all, you know, we had like Budweiser, Bushlight, Kurslight, all the cheapest beers, Keystone Light, all the cheapos, you know, Nadi Ice, whatever. Kurs original ended up winning, which makes sense. That's one of the better cheap beers, really. And it's got a lot of flavor. That is true. You know And so I think Kour's light was maybe second.

So Kour's was in the top. And then I think Bushlight was third. But you would think Budweiser would have won. Or one of the little bit nicer beers, not true, man. It's a bind taste test. I mean, I'm thinking the Charles, what was that two-bucked chuck wine is going to be up there with the expensive shit. And really, at the end of the day, it's just kind of laughable because in my mind,

not that many people really know what good wine tastes like anyways. I mean, have you had a $300 bottle of wine before? When Joe talked about having a $1,000 bottle of wine in that restaurant, $1,000, yeah. Oh, $1,000, sure. I think that I think that I have had pretty expensive wine, not that expensive.

Yeah. But yeah, I'm pretty sure the restaurant before, you know, I went out with some fairly wealthy people and we've made it in like a $300 bottle. Dude, it's, I'm right there with Joe. Like I can't fucking tell the difference. Yeah, well, I'm right there with Joe. Like, I can't fucking tell the difference. Yeah, I give a shit. I will say.

Just get a bottle to the table, I'm gonna down at. So the one time, the only time I've ever had super high quality wine, I was with my brother's buddy who is a wine connoisseur. He's got the thing in his basement, he's loaded, whatever he loves wine. He ported in one of those to canters that like has a spiral.

You ever seen those before? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a long sheen, it's got a brief, bro. Right, so I didn't know any of these things. It was somebody's birthday. So he busted out like this chateau, whatever from France, from like the 60s, right? This was like a, this was like a $2,000 bottle of wine.

And this is just a guess. I mean, it was from the 60s, right? This was like a, this was like a $2,000 bottle of wine. And this is just a guess. I mean, it was from the 60s. The color of it alone was like this crazy, deep kind of light grape, grape kind of flavor color. And anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm not a wine guy. But when I tasted that wine, I go holy shit. That's what good wine tastes like. And then that was when I realized, okay, I'm talking about because I'm not a wine guy, but when I tasted that wine, I go, holy shit, that's what good wine tastes like.

And then that was when I realized, okay, I know nothing about wine, but holy shit was that in amazing flavor. Like that made me like wine, and I'm not a wine person. Now, again, this episode is brought to you by Coca-Cola Creations. The sights and sounds of the future are a mystery to us,

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on a bottle of wine or 20, I'm not going to know the difference. I'm going to go with the cheap stuff, you know, and I'm not going to know the difference. But man, when I had that, that bottle from like the 60s and France, and he was telling me what how amazing it was, and I tried it, it was a huge difference. So maybe that's where you really start, you know, the nuances of what a grape taste like after how many years sitting in a bottle. Yeah. Once you get into it, I could see how that could be a thing, but I've also had like Papi Van Winkle's, you know, whiskey before in the past.

And I couldn't tell the difference between that or Buffalo trace in a blind taste test. And those shots were like a hundred bucks a pop. So yeah, maybe wine's a different thing, but I'm gonna stick with cheap beer and cheap whiskey. Dude, there was a hotel in Beverly Hills. I went to, I think it's the Beverly Hills hotel actually. They have a Kala.

Shet O'Malley. 72, I believe to I think it's the Beverly Hills hotel actually they have a 72 I believe okay, okay, I think it's that old $10,000 a shot come on that's real. That's just a silly like eagle thing. That's just an eagle thing They've only they've only ever sold two shots and the whole bottle is just that. No, maybe not 72, maybe it's a 42. I don't know why. It was like unusual, but I mean, I can't imagine that. That would be that good. I just Google this, wine tastes better with age

because of complex chemical reactions occurring among the sugars, acids, and substances known as phenolic compounds. Anytime these compound reactions can affect the taste of wine in a way that gives it a pleasant flavor. Pretty cool. I wonder though there's gotta be a cut off. Like, if you had some Jesus wine, I feel like even if it was stored well,

my 2000 year old wine, it's gonna be raw, that bottle will be worth a fucking billion dollars. Yeah. But, um, probably takes back. I'd say I've got one more, uh, I guess point to make here or not even point, but just, uh, talking about people relapsing, they thought the addiction, what that addiction was, a brain disease, it was interesting to hear that it's not a brain

disease. Oh, yeah, that's important. Um, and it's more about, you know, your living situation. And again, it goes back to the rat study of like, do you have friends? Do you have someone you can talk to? Are there people you can relate to? Are there people you can call when you're feeling bad?

Those are the types of things that get you out of addiction, but also your own willpower. But it's a lot easier to have that willpower if you have healthy activities you can do on the side with friendships. But again, if you're all alone and you're in a war-torn area like Syria, that was another interesting point they made about addiction.

And a lot of people in Iraq had never been addicted to any sort of substances because they weren't able to get drugs, but now that they are, everybody's on fucking, you know, meth, basically. Everybody's jazzed up on meth because you look at the circumstances there that's a war torn country. People are depressed. There's a war torn country people are depressed Yeah, there's a lot of things that have changed over the last 20 years. It makes sense. It's like the reason why you see so many drunks in You know in certain areas of the country all over I mean, it's like you go to the bar You know Tim Dylan made this point I go to the bar and all these guys are my friends,

but God, I sure would, I mean, bear us to like introduce them to anybody because they're all just a bunch of drugs, you know, but you start getting better friendships and higher quality relationships. You might start veering towards a better lifestyle, but I don't know. It's not a brain disease is what is what is what Michael Easter is is saying. Yeah, I mean, look, he's, you know, this is his take on it. Obviously, other people think something else. And really, he points on exactly that. Like, there's an underlying issue in your life that you're not dealing with. And if you feel that you can never go back to alcohol, then possibly a part of that is that it's also that you never are dealing with whatever the issue is.

Which for some people could be very complicated, right? And not worth the risk of like they have sober for 10 years and they know that if they drink again or anytime that they have, they go right off the rails. And how do you know? How would you know if you resolved some issue? Like, it's very difficult to know unless your life is significantly different. It's difficult to know, but I think it, I think it, I think it's nowhere different, not much different than, you know, if you sit around all day and you're not making progress, even if you don't drink at all, you're going to be depressed.

And that depression maybe might lead to other mental illness, right, or body aches, or, you know, autoimmune diseases that no one knows where they come from even though if you talked to Gabbermote, it's all about past traumas that you're not that you haven't dealt with so I think it's in my mind It's very similar to that like what is this trauma? You're not dealing with instead you're just drinking it away drinking it away drinking away It's a solution solution base. It makes me feel better The the big thing is it often doesn't with alcohol, like so, especially people that destroy their life.

I think what, what mainly they get out of it is that they get to feel like there may be a period of euphoria at the beginning, you know, where it like disconnects them from their underlying worries, because it's like, ah, thank God, I'm not really feeling well thinking about it. But then they get nasty or violent or destructive, upset, angry, to even more depressed. It is a depressed, but then they're so drunk, they forget the whole thing. And then they go to sleep and it's like they, they just got to like delete a part of their day. I often wonder what about people that are like pretty fucking euphoric when they drink and they have a good time and they're fun around everyone and people actually enjoy

them more when they are drinking. And who knows, maybe they don't even get hangovers and they're just having like a blast all the time. It sounds like you. It's like that might be a disease. That's you. It could be a disease all the time. It sounds like you. It's like, that might be a disease. That's you. It could be a disease though. Yeah.

Like, it's like drinking you into doing it. Think about it. It's like loving cake. Could be. It's like it makes you want to do it. And it's like, imagine if you could just eat cake all day, but for some reason you got, you just felt okay. Well, I don't like cake.

I don't like cake, but it would be scary. If I did not get hungover, I would constantly drink. You think that that would do it for you? I would constantly drink, if I didn't get hungover. Like think about the only time I get depressed after drinking is when I'm so hungover and I have to deal with my three year old. I'm like, oh my God, why did I do this to myself again

and again, but when I'm drinking, it's I'm having a blast. It's fun. It's not like I'm black out. I'm just having a good time. That's not the only reason right? You might run out of money. Yeah, expensive to keep on those all the time. True, but it's a right off, you know. Business expense. Yeah, TNA.. Travel entertainment, teeny teeny. So let's jump over to anyway, like to finish up, Michael East, the great guy, super interesting, very smart, worth a listen. Yeah, and I like to read his new book. I almost said I recommend it, but I have not read it. So I cannot recommend it.

I recommend him. That's my favorite one of the week. We're at 28 minutes. We went along with that. That was my bad. But yeah, nowhere is we go. It's fine. We go in Joe Lister.

We go in. We go in. Yeah, let's do Sean O'Malley. OK. I want to just jump through some of this. And we can cover some of this pretty quick. So he's the new champ of the UFC. He's from Montana.

That's right. So if you talk about it, great falls. Great falls. Yeah. Yep. And went back recently to the, I don't know the name of the teams. What are they? Bob Katz, so Bozeman, right? What's the other gris? Yeah. He, I think he's a gris guy.

Cause we went to their team and wave the flag and was a super celeb and good for him. Man, imagine how that feels. It's great. And how cool is it for the people of Bozeman to have that? It's not like all that many celebrities go on a lot of celebrities go there, but they go straight to Big Sky to their fancy houses and don't hang out with anyone. But, you know, it's not like they're just touring the small towns around. So that was probably super cool for them. He's been since the contender series. He's been, since the contender series,

he's been a character man, he's really cool. I like his style. He's like a soft speaker, you know, he doesn't seem brutish. Like nobody could persuade me, he was ever a bully. No, a douchebag or he's just a cool dude. He reminds me more of a fucking skateboarder. Well, somebody that does really cool artwork, then then someone that can literally knock out everybody in the world

in his weight class. I would agree. And what what's his weight class? 150. I mean, he's a banner weight, right? We a small guy. He's like, or is that does that mean he's 150 now, but he weighs in at 135? Isn't that banner weight banner weights even lighter than 150? Isn't it?

Yeah, fuck I should know. I'm not. And that's a very competitive weight class. That is an extremely competitive weight class. Oh, yeah, dude. He was, he was in that weight class. And what he did to win the title was just unbelievable I mean he beat the living fuck out of that it was just class just all round all right So yeah, you're correct ban and wait 135 which is crazy Like how tall is he he's got to be a little guy probably five nine tops five eight Five eleven really damn. Yes. Jesus.

Ginny. That's fucking tall. And you weigh in it. You can get down to 135. Wow. That's not. Yeah. I mean, I'm one.

60. Probably on a five day. Um, I would imagine my guess would be like one, 50. I'm pretty sure they can get it up pretty high in a day. I don't really know how well he was he was saying after he had diarrhea for 10 days. He got down to like 155. So I would imagine he's around 151.55 normally, especially at 5.11 dude. That's not short. Oh, it says it says on fight days, omali typically, oh, it says ways in at 135. That's not the question that I ask, Google, you dumb, Google.

Wait, it's not really saying. Well, he definitely weighs more than, he says he walks around a 155. Yeah, I know. I don't know if you could quite get back up to that, but even that 155 is so thin for someone that tall really is. And, you know, and to think about it, right, I weigh 210. I cannot generate probably anywhere as much power as he can when he strikes. And that just

is so nuts to think about right plus obviously his Precision speed timing skill like there's just so many levels to it's very very cool But I I like fighters like this and because I always like those unusual characters like I think everyone in their mind Has an idea of what a fight is how they behave You know what their attitude should be. And then you see that you get these like very intelligent, thoughtful, peaceful guys that are like introspective and they maybe even have like meditation practices of their own.

They're not what people think. And that's something that the UFC has really highlighted, which is pretty beautiful. I also like that he wants to do Iowa's going DMT, but he doesn't want to yet. Not yet, because it's kind of makes sense, right? Imagine if it was such a profound experience that it like took away from his fighting somehow. Yeah, I could see how you, excuse me, I could see how you'd be a little bit nervous about experience that it like took away from his fight somehow. Yeah. I could see how you, excuse me, I could see how you'd be a little bit nervous about, about doing that, especially if you're at the top of your game, like he is.

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to the Lions. And that's when Barry Sanders used to play and Dion Sanders is in that same era, era. He tried to kill himself, man, after he didn't win the, the championship, the Super Bowl. And I had no idea. And then, you know, the comedian that Joe was talking about who often himself and the baths have. I mean, I think this kind of goes along with what they were talking about in the prior podcast with what's his name, with, excuse me, who are we just talking about, geez, with Michael E.

Of just how you get into these, you know, mind games with yourself. And if you're really, if you're really in an amazing comedian, there's a lot of addicts in that world, right? There's just like something about that feeling you get when you make someone laugh. It's that adrenaline. It's that same thing as when you win, when you're gambling, and it gets talked about a lot, but it's just like when people get to these high levels of sport and then just like last week that the guy who got addicted to pills, the guy was the wrestler, the WWE guy

that was just on last week, same thing. He had never done pills, but he's at the top of his game for so many years that he gets into a car accident and then all of a sudden, you can't work out anymore, you can't be a wrestler anymore. What do you go to? You end up going to an extreme addiction with something like a pill.

And I think it's just like that weird mindset that competitive athletes have. You're either at the top of your game in one thing and all of a sudden, you can't do what you love anymore. You're gonna, you might just be a complete addict, you know, and it's hard because that's just how your brain's wired, right? Yeah, that's a little different. I think with like, Kurt Angle as a wrestler, he just was in a lot of pain and doctors told him to take it and it felt good and he just continued taking it, right? But there is something to what you're saying. I mean, you with these athletes,

I mean, you know, that one in particular, he's such an extreme winner. He played two sports. I mean, he's he's a different. You're talking about Dion? Yeah, he's a different thing altogether. I mean, that's like Bo Jackson level skill set. Totally. He they probably put so much pressure on themselves to be amazing that if you don't hit like the the peak all the time, you know, or you've once you've tasted the top and You still don't make it. I mean, you still don't make it. Yeah, you can get you can just be completely brutalized by it And you know when it comes to comediansians I mean there's so many aspects to what Take somebody to suicide that you know you don't have to it's not like it's just these People that need extreme success to get there. They're like there's many avenues that drive you

So I'm glad there's there's probably some things that they all have in common and possibly like, I don't know what the best way to put like extreme behavior in a sense. And I don't mean that in a negative like, like, you know, with comedy, that's unusual pursuit. You're doing something that a lot of people won't do. Right? It's actually one of the scariest things for most people to do is to get up and talk in front of people. Exactly, but for some reasons, people are drawn to it. And those people are drawn to it and they do it and they put themselves through it and they hold themselves in that space. And there's probably like an unusual pressure there that no one else can understand.

And you know, I mean, think about it with, I mean, you know, there's like musicians often they're not necessarily killing themselves but they OD, you know, there's like an unusual pressure there. It's like, it's just an extreme type of pursuit. And even though they're beautiful, and we watch them from the outside, and when people figure out that craft, we're like, my God, I wish I could do that. And that's amazing.

They could do it. But there's a lot that we're not thinking about when they do that. There's a lot of pressures and discomforts that we're not considering that they have to go through it. Yeah. And, you know. Well, scary stuff, dude. I don't know how to be famous. I do love going to a comedy show though.

I mean, just the live aspect of it, same with live music. It's just a completely different experience. I mean, studio albums typically suck anyway. You go and see it live and it's so, so much better. Same with comedy, same with anything. You go see it live. It's gonna have a better time.

There's a, you know, like you were talking about going to see wrestling or UFC. I mean, we love watching UFC over here on the big screen and it's fun because we have a, you know, even just that alone makes it way better because we have a group of people watching it on a big screen. But man, you get in that arena

and it is a million times more fun. I'm just I bet you haven't done any USC since I left. Have you? Nope. You guys, we got to get Kane. We got to get Kane in here to help. Where's Kane man? Get it.

He's been he was on vacation. He used to folks. We used to do great events at the studio and then I left. Oh, yeah. Move to Knoxville and now it's just they're just waiting for snowboard videos. Whatever. All right, let's get on to Joe Lest here, buddy boy. Good old Joe.

Good old Joe. So Joe's been around forever. He's an OG in the comedy world and very funny guy. Great take on things. He's interesting because he's kind of one of those comedians that obviously makes a living and does fine with it, but really hasn't blown up, like gone into the top group of comedians.

And there's a lot of those guys too, which are, and what's unusual about it is they're equally as funny. It's not like they don't have the skills there, but for some reason there's something that doesn't resonate. Often it's maybe the social media presence or it could be things like that, but you know. Well, or maybe he's just okay with not making a million bucks.

He's making maybe he's making a couple hundred thousand a year and he's hanging out with his family. I wish they would have talked about that more because maybe he's one of those guys who does his craft. He loves it. He, you know, has a good wife and whatever. I don't know if he has kids. Does he have kids?

He didn't talk about that. No. But you know what I'm saying? I mean, maybe he's just okay. They all want to be selling out stadiums, they all want to be, they want to be selling out stadiums. They're of course, of course, they all want to get to that point. They all want to put horns on their deck and, you know, modified big hearts and, uh, Oh, yeah. What was he talking about?

So he went on your mama's house with Tom Sigerra and he had to watch a bunch of really fucked up videos on YouTube. I guess, I guess Joe has never seen those. And he was completely freaked out. The bumps in the head, the bumps on the head thing, that's a thing. It's like you put little babies in your skull to make bumps on your head. So weird. Well, people like to change the way they look to look like lizards and stuff. I just don't get it.

These people have some traumatic childhood. Something's going on there. Wouldn't it be weird if they didn't, they were completely normal and just like bored and loved to look like a lizard? Maybe. They were called Zilla once and were like, I'm in. Let's do this. Change my mind. Well, this one was all over the place. I've got a lot of random notes here. You know, the dark side of the moon and Wizard of Oz, I am a firm believer that that is real. It works, seems to work. Maybe it's all in my head, but it sure seems to work.

I did that in high school. I'm gonna have to do it again. Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because I am suspicious. Yeah, well Roger Waters, remember, he said that has nothing to do with them. They did not plan that. It wasn't a thing. Well, look at it this way, right? Number one, the album they made was world famous.

Oh, the best. It's almost as famous as that fucking movie. Absolutely. So to make an album that's that good, and ultimately, when you make an album, your primary concern is to make people love it so much that they all buy it in blah, blah, blah. And they do. primary concern is to make people love it so much that they all buy it in blah, blah, blah. So to think that they also were so good that they somehow matched it to that movie in order to put the, I mean, the planning

that would go into that would be unfucking believable. Is it impossible? Maybe not. Maybe you have all the songs And then that good and then they're like, you know what? We're just putting these like slow weird instrumental bits in sound effects Mm-hmm, and we're just line it up with the movie and then start the songs and I mean I guess it could be done, but this is like Like when did they record that? Seventies? Yeah. I mean, that's kind of a pain in the ass editing job back then,

for sure. Well, the other strange thing is, and this is, I don't know if other people have tried it with Fantasia, but you can do the same thing with Fantasia, and it's just as cool. I mean, I think really, when you're high watching these things together, you just create these patterns in your head.

You're like, oh, yeah, that was perfect. That was perfect. You can do it with anything. Yeah, like the whole washroom is you do. It's like you play, you play like a Britney Spears first album. And it's like, I can't believe it. It matches. Exactly. I mean, you could, you could play any instrumental, you know, Mozart to any one of those movies, and whether it's Fantasia or Wizard of Oz, and things are going to line up in your head,

and you're gonna think it's the most incredible thing ever, because you're probably on hallucinogens. That's, there's something to that. But I think, yeah, also to Joe's point, it's like maybe sometimes the universe just throws out a fucking Easter egg and goes, it's good luck. Enjoy it. Love that. I mean, love that. It's possible. I want to, I'm going to do it again soon, I think, and sit and watch it. Love it. I mean, I'd

rather do it that way. I mean, I don't know. I think if I just watched the actual Wizard of Oz with a regular sound, it wouldn't be as interesting. Just putting on dark side. No, dark side is just a way better album. And it seems to line up with the ticking away, the moments that make up a dull day and how she's turning her head at the same time. It does seem to line up rather strangely, in a very cool way.

Could be coincidence. We'll never know, because Roger said he didn't do it. I mean, if I was Roger and we did do that, I'd keep it a mystery. If I was Roger Waters, I'd say, now we never did that. Nah. Yeah.

Uh, mystery's a good man. What else is a good? There was another something I had on here that, that I felt like we needed to talk about. Where is it? Well, what about Joe Rippen on English words? And now they're spelled. Oh, yeah, that's good. How you drive in England

Labore is like why you driving on that side of the road guys. I understand I get it Okay, it's silly too many use in our Too many use in our words You know, I think ultimately it was just so we could all win at Scrabble. There you go. I don't know. Use the tough to get a rid of. Well, what about the, you know, we, the talk about this a lot, AI becoming sentient, you know, us merging with them, you know, Joe is a positive guy. He seems to think we're moving in a better direction, right?

It's like, it's better for us to talk about pronouns than it is for us to talk about being super racist. You know what I mean? Better to be inclusive than exclusive. Obviously, you know, there's things like that happening. Was he, did he talk about Gavin Newsom in this one or was that with, was that with the prior, was that with Michael Easter?

Cause I wanted to bring that up if I hadn't already about him saying that, you know what? Gavin Newsom is doing an okay job. I feel like Joe's. No, that was with Michael. Oh, that was with Michael, but I felt. But he made the point with Michael that he's often been thinking about the podcast in terms of,

you know, do I need to disparage, like do I need to focus on any disparaging things about people or should I just focus on the positives? Love that. Because he's got so big that, and look, people could say, oh, you're selling out, dude, you've got to stick to your shit. Look, yes, there's that element too, right? But, I mean, the pushback that you get from certain lunatics when you speak out about

an individual or a movement such as COVID, it's like, well, you know, his show was never really designed to be this like controversial show. It was supposed to be silly, mostly uplifting and really enjoy. And funny, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, think how high they used to get before the show. Him and Redman, her Redban. Yeah. So, so I kind of like what he said. I know I like a lot. I don't kind of like it. I love it. I think it's so easy to go down that rabbit hole. And people have made a whole podcast careers from like being very I guess negative controversial controversial yeah about subjects and people are on board but you know does it benefit their lives

Ultimately or does it just cause them a lot of stress and Realistically for Joe he can interview whoever he wants so He could just choose and maybe should maybe that's like this get Gavin on there. Let's get Gavin on should. Maybe that's like this. Just get Gavin on there. Let's get Gavin on there. Maybe it's good for him. Yeah, maybe he could just try and understand where this guy's coming from. Well, I appreciated it.

You know, it's the open-minded right thing to do. And again, you can have disagreements, but hey, I'm sure the guys doing plenty of good stuff too. And I, it was, it made me feel good to hear that, right? Cause I know nothing about Gavin Newsom, really, other than the shit talking Joe's done in the past. And you, cause you used to live in California, I know nothing about the guy other than,

he probably went a little too hard with COVID, but maybe the guy was just trying to be, do the right thing, he didn't know. I'll tell you what, I had no problem with him, and I don't remember anyone having a problem with him before COVID So it might be unfair right it might just be unfair that he was faced with like a fucking crazy Give the guy he was fucked. Let's give the guy break and I and I think that's what Joe is is really discussing in this because You know it probably it came, and this is something Joe talked

about, the fact that, you know, Gavin Newsome recently said, he's worried that his son is listening to Rogan. And you know, that probably made Rogan sit back and think, oh, well, you know, not that his opinion is that important to Rogan, but it's just like, oh, I'm start like I'm clearly being perceived in this way And that's not my intention. I'm not trying to be this guy that Just upsets people all the time and You know what battles am I willing to face like I think at the end of the day if if he just has guests on that are proclaiming to be experts in whatever field that they say they're in, and when they start talking, if some things

don't line up, he challenges them on the pod, which he usually does in a very kind way. He's never like me, and he calls them out, but like, or make some, you know, explain that point again with a little bit of questioning. And, you know, he's not like a gotcha guy. He's not like, oh, yeah, I've come in here to like make you look like a dick. He doesn't do that. But like, really, that is the ultimate kind of conflict that he needs to have on these podcasts. Well, and I would, I would add to that, I would like to see more challenges from,

you've got guys like Alex Berencine, who I seem to agree with a lot of what he's saying, but I don't know enough about what he's saying to know if it's true or not, like all the mRNA stuff, because I hear other things that mRNA, I mean, they just won the Nobel Prize for the mRNA vaccination. So I would like to see that side of things.

If I'm gonna be a little bit more subjective or wanting more out of what Rogan's bringing to the table, I wanna see both sides of everything, more often than not. Yeah. I think that Rogan has always been that way too. And, and, you know, maybe, maybe there is like an unusual bias that he took on, probably unintentionally during the COVID thing, like many people.

And, and now we have to reset, like reset your thinking, you know, I, there's so many people. And now we have to reset, like reset your thinking, you know, there's so many people that I know that have lost good friends because of disagreements politically over the COVID stuff. And it's like, guys, in 40 years, you know, or 50 or 60 or whenever you're like close to your death, you, like all you'll do is miss how close you could have been to this person. I said a timer and it started beeping. Sorry. But yeah, all you'll do is just be like, no, the friendship with this person was way more important than whatever this is. I think of that. We wrap that up. We call it a day.

Call it a day, it a day maybe love that Thank you guys as always for listening to us. We appreciate your Todd. You're the best and we will talk to you folks next week All right guys cheers. Poo you