Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 350 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Brian Muraresku Et al.

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

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experience review. What's this week? Well, I'm joined by Todd that's Todd. Oh, thank you. What's up? Sorry. Didn't mean to cut you off. Nice to see you. Yeah, no worries. No worries. Good to see you. This week, um, you got a few people on, but we're going to break it up once again, really because I want to get into Brian Marrersky. Um, I knew this guy was coming on as soon as Joe bumped into him in Greece and they went to see fucking Axel Rose play guns and resists. But yeah, the author of the immortality key, I mean, he's definitely somebody that Joe has stayed in good contact with. I think his wealth of knowledge in areas that interest Joe, it just kind of really created a solid friendship. And yeah, I had

been surprised that Brian hadn't been on again for so long, but great to have him on as always. I was very excited because I don't remember listening to Brian the last time he was on. I think that was before I was the co-host. And so I was stoked because the immortality key has been a book on my list for a while. I've yet to read it. Have you read it yet? No, I haven't, but I've seen a bunch of excerpts from it. And I've seen really cool articles that I've read reference a bunch of material from it. So it's just like one of those. There's so many fucking good books out there, dude. It's like hard to get through them all.

But you can make, but isn't it true? You and I have to chat about this. Isn't it true that there's actually a class about this at Harvard now? Yeah. And now it sounds like there's another class. They did. We can get into this later, but there's a class at Yale now that is run by another scientist slash with the sciences and the arts. That's kind of I believe so. Talking about similar things. You know, because it's it's there's something happening right now with psychedelics that's like not as controversial as it used to be. And I think the push is coming from how effective the therapies have been with veterans with PTSD. Yeah, with the name. And so of course, that calls, yeah, that pulls the Republicans in because they want to help these people and make them fix. And then, you know, the left is just more chill about

psychedelic. So it's, it's like they're coming together a little bit. I think it's not super fast, but I think that's kind of the interest behind this whole movement. Okay, I need to interject for a second. The Republicans say they want to help with PTSD. Let's see if they actually want to help. And this is Republicans and any politician says they want to help with veterans, but we all know that the VA hospitals are total shit. So just going to throw that out there from all the veterans. I know that gets screwed over by our government. I'm sorry guys. Thank you for, you know, representing our country and your service, but man, they're still getting fucked over. So

I would agree with you on that. But I think the, I think the suicide rate, you know, is just alarming for everybody. And since, since there is just like no other really effective, right treatments, that I, people again, desperate. And they're like, whatever it takes. I think I think that it is starting to lean that way. I mean, dude, I knew people that went to Iraq and Afghanistan and when they got back, they were struggling with PTSD

and they put them on all kinds of like wacky medication. Right. There was like just basically numbs them and makes it impossible for them to quit the drug. Or you can't even remember what happened with Those are called, but they're awful. Well, it's any sort of antidepressant, right? So any SSRI that's going to just numb you. I've been on SSRIs before I'm glad I was able to get off of them, but it wasn't easy. And guess what? The best thing for me was to get my ass up every morning, go to work.

And again, I have never been to war. So I'm not saying that it's easy. But for me, in order to get off of those, I had to go work out every day, go for a run every day, you know, do the things, like get outside, get some sun on your face, do the hot cold, you know, water therapy. All those things were helpful. But man, I mean, like you said, you look at the stats with people with PTSD, with the MDMA treatment and having like a therapist and the correct set and setting is massive. I mean, some of these people were on ready to kill themselves.

And now they're having wonderful lives because of that psychedelic therapy. So, amen. I hope it, I hope it keeps going in the right direction. Yeah. I think what, what you're talking about is like the, I think what it, what it does, you know, when you get outside and you do with these different things, it's like peaceful time to yourself, you work on your body, you don't feel lazy, you don't feel like a piece of shit, you know, and then it helps you find your purpose. So these guys getting back from war and gals, that approach, you know, probably does help, you know, it's not, it's not bad to add those things, but it might not be enough, right? Because what they've seen, what they've been through,

is just so much, that ultimately finding a purpose when you've seen, like, atrocities, or you've just been like blown up a bit, and then, you know, you have that, that kind of like, hormone, And then, you know, you have that kind of like, um, hormone, you know, deregulation, where it's like, you're not even creating the right hormone. So you figure it all over the place. Something like just exercising and those other things, it might not be enough. No, it's clearly, clearly is not enough. It's not, but where this is where psychedelics come in, Yeah, because they're seeing more and more through maps

and the kind of work that Rick Dublin is doing and those types of people are rickie. He's the man, dude. Yeah, dude. And it's like a reset to some degree. Now, it doesn't last forever, but it buys you some time. It's like the equivalent of a long peaceful meditation plus a good run and plus a good bit of exercise.

It just gives you a break from that thinking that is so difficult. And then you can kind of regroup and come at it from another direction and find a reason to keep moving forward. Well, isn't that the beauty of the psychedelic treatment is that you're not doing it every day. I mean, maybe microdosing helps, but, you know, we've seen that some of the stats on microdosing for depression. And this is just for depression, not for PTSD, but they're saying that microdosing may not work. It's the hero doses that actually have a much more significant reaction and significant uplifting. I know a lot of people, and I would say a lot, I would know 10 plus people that really enjoy

mushrooms, right? And they occasionally like to do some big doses, maybe not always hero, but they do some, they get into it. They want to get introspective. Right. Is much as any of them love mushrooms, nobody's fucking doing it like every day, dude. No, no, no, people are microdose in every day. But yeah, but that's way different. Yeah, that's different.

And it seems to, in the, at least in the research that I've seen and the books that I've read, you know, Michael Paulin is a huge example. His movie, the, oh, God, what was that movie that came out on Netflix where they talk about. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. What does that go through the lens? Through the lens or something? You're going to have to look that up. Yeah. I'll look it up. You keep talking. I want to say through the looking glass, but that's Alice in Wonderland. Um, but the research on MDMA was the strongest for PTSD. And the gentleman that they interviewed in there was suicidal.

He came back from Afghanistan, I believe. Maybe I racked maybe both. And he just again, yeah, no purpose, no good feelings every day. Just, you know, every day he just hated his life. And then he did, I think three MDMA treatments throughout a period of like three years. And that was all it took. It was like one treatment a year in a, you know, a setting with a psychologist. And, you know, it was, it was obviously done in the correct set and setting. He went to a doctor to get the prescription and, you know, it needs to be done the right

way. This isn't, we're not talking about taking drugs and going to a fucking rave. We're talking about taking drugs with a professional who knows what they're doing. And you put the iPad, the iPad, on and you have some music. And again, I don't know exactly how they do it but from what I've heard, it's a very, you know, it's a controlled environment where they know what they're doing.

And you're getting through those emotions, you're getting out the anger, you're getting out these suppressed emotions that you've had to. At public mobile, we do things differently. From our subscription phone plans to throwing a big sale right now when no one else is. Well, maybe they are, but who cares, our sale is better. And it's on right now, no waiting necessary.

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to it, just to survive. It's ridiculous. What we're pointing to is that there's, there's a clear value there for certain people. And this is what Brian is talking about when he's discovering all these like ancient cultures, you know, especially the Greeks and the Romans are doing it too, where they are clearly using psychedelics. And this isn't some sort of like hippie rave culture of the Greeks. It was like their way to speak to the gods. Right. And it to the dead too. They talk a lot about that. Right. Yeah. Speaking to the dad, trying to really figure out, you know, a lot of the questions that they had, right? I mean, clearly, if you've what's talking to speaking to the dead, what

about that? Like, what was the homo, the lady? Oh, homo lady, homo, homo, homo, homo, no lady. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So it's the cave of bones documentary. So I watched that. Okay. Now, yeah. And this was in South Africa. They discovered her. They're saying within 250 to 330 thousand, oh, sorry. Yeah. 250, 30,000 years old in a cavern. Right. So way older than homo sapiens that we know of, they had smaller brains about the size of an orange. But what's crazy about it is like, that's easy to dismiss is like all that dumb. Because if you all of the different homo ones, they, their brains were getting larger. And for some reason, in the middle of it all, it is this homo and the lady, and that had

a smaller brain yet, there shows evidence of like complex burial rituals, right, which we didn't know that other species did. Other than Neanderthals, right? Other than Neanderthals. Yeah, and that was the one thing they didn't say. I mean, Neanderthals obviously did it, but I guess we just count them as like pretty close to us. But either way, like more, like less developed species.

Not only that, there was cave drawings that they found not really drawings, but like, but like some sort of scratching, kind of etching artwork, whatever that meant. Maybe it was some sort of language that they had primitive, but, but they also are tools. And they also buried their dead with tools. And why that's significant is because tools are super valuable. And if you didn't think about the afterlife, right, if you didn't, okay, so let's say you were smart enough to make tools or you're like little clanwas, but you know, you're still so primitive, you don't give a shit about the afterlife, you don't think about that, you're just your brain isn't developed enough to like think beyond it. As soon as that thing dies, you take all the stuff that they have that's useful. Obviously, because, you know, making these stone tools is hard work.

You would just take them. But they want that it looks like they were burying them with their dead. And these creatures just look like apes that could stand up. They pretty much look like apes. Yeah, with maybe a larger face and a bit like your brain. Yeah, that is solid, like, Stone Age behavior. Yeah. It's kind of a bummer that they didn't like live on somewhere that we just didn't have just one island where we do. I guess we probably wiped them out. Other humans just probably knew where they were and wiped him out? Solemers of Threat, you know, whereas other monkeys are just, you know, Dumber and not a problem,

so we just left them. Yeah. But it's a really fucking super interesting documentary. And the fact that they went into this cave through like these narrow caverns like carried dead bodies in there took them all the way to the back. I mean, if you watch it, it's like, there's no way they didn't do that without some fire because they just wouldn't be at a sea where they're going. Yeah, right. Right. So they could make fire, dude. These monkeys could make fire. Well, he basically monkeys. Well, what Brian was saying is that he was referring to the homo, homo, homo, no lady as maybe the first apes. I mean, really, they're apes. Let's, let's be honest, but apes with bigger brains were the first ones to, to make fire.

That homo, no lady was maybe the first of our ancestors to make fire, which is incredible. We're talking 330,000 years ago, dude. Wow. Dude, that's so long ago. So cool. And then, yeah, like you said, caves are being used. You know, he goes on to talk about with ancient societies where caves being used to hide things. We't know or was it just something about going underground To like get into the womb of the earth these you know the ancient Egypt's Egyptians obviously did that. I mean that's way further back, but are further closer to us, but You know, there's again, there's you've seen those ancient Caves like in on around Turkey, right?

Oh, dude. Those ones that are huge. There's like, yeah, they're like seven, eight stories deep. Oh, dude. And what's what's really interesting about them is they didn't find almost any artifacts in them. And you can't carbon-day anything because it's stone. Right. Right.

So they they've they like assume that they're X years old, but really they have no idea. Right. It could be so much older. It could be 50,000 years old. We, we just have no idea. But that was, that was in Graham Hancock's documentary, right? That's right. That's 100%. I mean, they were, they were talking about like a, a, maybe 30,000 people living underground at some point. Yeah. And it's not just that it was 30,000 people living underground at some point. Yeah. And it's not just that it was 30,000 people living down there. It was the fact that they could take animals in there. They had ventilation shafts. So they was, they, it's like they understood how carbon dioxide would build up in certain areas. So they would like pressurize the air out so there was good air flow and they could still lock all the doors

With these huge stone wheels that they roll over. I mean Just the fact that we like kind of blow that off is like yeah, that's kind of cool I guess that was just people that build you know, Doug tunnels. It's like it's a cool out of stone dude It's incredible. I don't know even know how we would do that right now with the technology we have now We should probably figure it out considering you know, we're basically on the brink of the world war three Maybe we should figure out how to live underground to save ourselves. I don't know just saying it be a pretty safe house. Yeah Pretty safe place to get set up so they also go into I thought it was extremely interesting, you know, obviously Joe is so

Into talking about AI which makes sense AI is such a a big deal right now, but I I appreciated Brian's When when Joe started talking about AI and ancient societies and who we are, who we think we are. You know, Joe talks about again about being burdened by existential angst, fear of death, you know, having an ego, greed, and the all the things that humans are dealing with. But what if AI doesn't have all that? Maybe they will figure out how to get rid of that ego. And then all of a sudden, we're going to learn way more through them because we're not worried about all the shit We worry about on a day-to-day basis as humans. I again, he's he's talked about this a lot

But I appreciate a Brian's answer, which was yes, I understand what you're saying Joe, but We're so creative and AI how is AI going to be a creative is us? Why would AI want to make music? Right? Like why do humans want to make music? Well, it's almost like it's in our DNA to be creative. It's in our DNA to make things. Yes, we want to be innovative and Joe talks about this all all the time about We just were this society that has to be innovative and we have to create but Where does that come from? That's That's a human thing that we have over every other mammal on Earth, right? Like bees.

To bees know that they're making honeycombs, we don't know. But we clearly know that we're making music for a reason because it's like in our DNA, like we have to create. And that was an interesting point. You know, didn't they play that song? They played the song by the guy who like, I think this was, I was on this podcast where they played the song of that duty sounds like an old, like 50 year old rancher.

The kid was like in his 20s. Yeah, A.I. Yeah. A.I. It's not going to create that song. You know, I'm not convinced really. I don't know if I am either. It's it's so much of the talk of what robots could do.

It was always seen as the last arts that they could do well would be comedy, maybe, or anything creative. However, I think we're seeing now that there actually might be a path for them to do that really well. I'm really fast very quickly. Right. Instead of driving. And not going to come to your house and be a plumber anytime soon. That's probably not going to happen.

But you know, why not? I mean, what it can do is take all of the type of music like that and make something Enough different, you know, it can just analyze even the same artist and be like all right Let's take Nirvana, right and then look at their first songs to their last songs how they changed look at which ones were the hits I mean, it's almost like the more data you give it, the better a chance it has. And then a big thing that AI does that people don't really think about, I mean, just playing with Chatchee PT, I was asking it questions today. And it started to give me two columns of answers.

And it would ask me which one I liked the best. And then it would just lean into that one. So imagine if you could do it with music, if it was just like it had 10,000 humans that were interacting with it, it creates a beat. It's like, Hey, which beat really lands with you guys? It takes an overall average. Then it adds some lyrics and says, which bits sound like this artist, or which, which is resonating with you. It can just make averages and keep leaning on it. Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, it's not, it's not like it's not getting feedback, right? And even an artist doesn't

really get that. They have to make a song show their producer, you know, there's a lot of extra stuff with frickin Rick Rubin. Oh, that's my hopefully his genius tells you that it's a good song and other people that know music. And then ultimately you just release it or put on the radio. But technically AI has like a chance to test it in the market with people that would like it before it even hits that. Yeah, I mean, our kids are, I think you're right. I would have to agree with you because I'm more on Joe's side with this, especially because you and I have worked with AI quite a bit to make stories and come up with imagery. And like you said, these are things that we didn't think, and even Sam Altman talked about it last week, he didn't even think that AI was gonna be good at all the creative things.

And it seems to be that they're actually better with creative stuff than they are with driving trucks or working on an assembly line. Well, maybe we're just not going to use the machines of factories. Right. That's just what we think does. I think that's what it is.

And then we made the Rumba and it can, you know, do the vacuuming and then we made some drones and that's really how we've looked and then Boston Dynamics makes those robots to do backflips, but it's still really can't, you know, do much else. That's really where we've been thinking of robots. But ultimately, artificial intelligence, it's like, well, it's just a massive data collection system that pulls from all of our data. It just collects it better than we do. And if you think about what a good artist is, musician, writer, graphic designer, whatever, they're being shown and taught things that other people did. And then they make it slightly better.

Yeah. Well, every artist is just stealing from another artist. I mean, you're taking what you know is good. I mean, it's like when I do it in a way. Yeah, I mean, I guess you could say that. So it's probably less stealing and more just like that 1% incremental improvement. Yeah, it's like by this. less stealing and more just like that 1% incremental improvement. Yeah, it's like by this. So I'll make it like that, but a bit better.

Right. And then you have to go from that. You have to look at other people's art to make better art. You're you're looking at the past artists, just like AI would be. That was the point. Yeah, I get it. But would you describe your ability to speak English as stealing the words from the parents that tore it to you? It's different. It's different. If I was a writer, right, I'm going to have writers from the past that I appreciate and enjoy and like, and they have a certain style, and I'm going to not copy that style, but my style is going to be similar to those greats that I have been influenced by. Just like you're saying with AI,

they can do that in milliseconds, whereas it would take us years, decades to do that. And I think that's where it's finding its groove. You know, I mean, it didn't Brian also talk about that he perceives a world where maybe governments or politicians will have AIs draw up legislation. I hope so. Potentially. I hope so. You know, like non-emotional legislation like, hey, we've run the numbers and the best thing to do is pump some money

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You know, X amount of criminals and it bump up the like average living, which overall improves. up the average living, which overall improves, they can extrapolate out. Or how about war is not good for our economy. It's only good for a very extremely small percentage of people. So the US government, the industrial, military complex will hack that system and make it change its mind. You can't afford that answer. Yeah. Yeah. They'd get in hard to be like, you know why it's not all bad. Sometimes war is good. So yeah. So I think yeah, human creativity is what makes us human. I get that. But yes, there is no reason in my mind that AI can't do it just as good as we can. I mean, it's

just being taught from us, really. And it's going to end up starting to teach itself. It's already doing that. So it's interesting times, bro. Hopefully, you know, to end the AI conversation, I think hopefully we can figure out a way that AI does start taking over some of our governments so that we're not at war all the time, because it's not good for the planet. Yeah, or it just runs our systems more effectively, right? You're probably going to be at an outsource a lot like just

take the US Postal Service, which has always made a loss. If they just had AI systems figure out the best routes, you know, the most effective ways to get mail from eight of you know, it could just run a lot of the logistics. The right now we've just got humans doing and that's probably not the best way to do it. Yeah. And we could do that with many different government things. I'm hopeful. I think it's useful. Love that. We'll find out. What did you think about how great was that story of them both meeting Axel Rose. Oh, it was wonderful. I mean, luckily Rogan was there because Axel had no idea who Brian was.

It's just the end boy. He was he got waved away and then Rogan went in like a boss and yeah, just owned a good thing. He had some. I love that Rogan didn't take really any credit for either he was just like Oh dude, I was drunk and just like that was it Yeah, that was dope. How about yeah, what about those deer dude with the with on the farm with the protein tablets How fucked up were the with those antlers? I mean Just these huge crazy looking antlers that I mean they were gross looking it But just didn't even make any sense. It's just weird. It's like not natural, right?

You just find out what they need to eat to make their antlers grow to a ridiculous size. And then just feed them that. It's like, and then have people go on steroids and then have, you know, rich people go hunt them just so they can put that up on their wall. I don't want to see that That was weird Let's talk about the Hobbit people. That was cool. I hadn't heard much about the Hobbit people. What? The homo Floriancianoscienzos, Florentianzos because they were from Flores 18,000 years old. 18,000 years old, not that old.

I mean, we were living with we were living with hobbits, pro. Yeah. I guess the biggest wins. I mean, they they were saying we coexisted with these with these folks. I mean, J.R. are talking new. What was up, dude? Great book.

Uh huh. Yeah. There were hobbits. And they, you kind of Obama that we got rid of them. I mean, I'm not saying we wiped everything out. Maybe they just got wiped out, but it seems It seems around the time we really started to get, you know our technology together that all of a sudden You know all the rest of the species got destroyed by us. Well, or you know, our technology together that all of a sudden, you know, all the rest of the species got destroyed by us. Well, or, you know, Christopher Columbus just comes in and all the, you know, the Highlanders. Thank you, the natives here, not Americans, indigenous people were then taken out by the plague. I mean, that's really what took them out same with the Spaniards going down south

So really it's you know Well, right disease took them out more than than anything else. We didn't shoot them all sure That is sure maybe that's what happened to the hobbits dude they we gave them some weird disease. We don't even know about Maybe they were deficient in vitamin D, you know, that's what took everyone. Imagine, imagine if that's all it was, it was just like the, we, homo sapiens just had the strongest immune systems. And eventually we gave everyone colds and wiped all the other species up.

That makes more sense to me. Could be. Yeah. All we wanted that line. Or we just want to rest, you know, we ate better. We were better hunters or we, you know, maybe we, because we ate better, we had a better immune system. We had more vitamin D in our system or whatever it may be to keep us alive longer. And, you know, the hobbits couldn't run as fast.

So they weren't fucking getting as many deer in their, in their bodies. They weren't, they weren't, they couldn't see as far. That's what they were shitty hunters, you know, vegetarians. Maybe I don't know. Maybe the way they were so small. There you go. There you go. Oh, I wanted to talk about Joe's other club that he didn't buy and the cult.

So the documentary is called Holy Hell, which he's brought up many times and I had watched it. I did also watch that this week. Nice. That was about the club in Austin that had a cult leader. Mm hmm. Okay. It barely touches on the club. You see it being built like towards the end. The documentary though is fascinating. Definitely worth a watch. Great name, holy hell. Dude, it is, it's just crazy to watch how these people get sucked in by this cult leader. And, you know, really he's just like this foreign failed actor that went into porn, gay porn, and kind of covered it all up and

just started to get people to follow him while he did ballet and yoga. Do everything he says. Then there was this big push against them, so he disappeared, went out to Austin, appeared went out to Austin and pulled his crew out there, you know, built that place, but was like a lunatic about it. And then the scenes where it showed like the interviews of the guys that were like having therapy with him, having to pay him and then he had sex with them. It just like these people, dude, were pulled in for like 25 years. Yeah. It wasn't like four years of cult life.

Wasn't it weird that every cult, I feel like every cult that there's been a documentary on it has something to do with intercourse or set, you know, just having sex with the other members. It's always some crazy. It's always, it's always some crazy leader. I mean, you look at Mormon, Mormonism in my mind is, is just a cult with, other members, it's always some crazy. It always goes to that. Always some crazy leader. I mean, you look at Mormonism in my mind is just a cult with a bunch of people who just want to fuck, you know, 12 different wives. And it just seems, you know, to them, it's totally normal to us.

It's like, no, something's not right here. Well, the dude in this one ended up at the very end. He like most of his people left. There was all this controversy. People were, like, you know, very frustrated with him and he was getting very defensive and weird, of course. And he ended up moving to Hawaii. He's still going.

He's still going and doing, like, Coltie shit out there today. So, so like, that's not the only one dude. We just like, there's other cults right now that are super active, being Coltie, the people in it don't realize that it's a cult that family members can't get them away from it. And it's going to take five, 10 however many years before we see another documentary on those ones. Yeah. Before what was the, like,aco, Texas, the guy that ended up, they seized his house and ended up killing a bunch of people. Our government did. What was the one in Waco?

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on a dotca over a dot com. And dotca it is. Now repeat after me. Whooooom. BAH! We'll work on that friend. Go local, choose success. Choose.ca. Yeah. What was his name? I can't think of his name, but there was a documentary that came out

in the within the last few years. David Karrash. Karrash. Same thing. Karrash was banging all the, all the women in that house. All of them, you know, claiming to be a good Christian and look what happens there. You know, he was, he was basically forcing people to stay there. No one was getting hospitalized for anything that happened. And that was a crazy documentary too, but similar, similar thing. He's just some weird guy who everybody believed for some reason, uh, in our Well, it was, it was pretty messed up, but the FBI went in there and basically it resulted in everybody burning to the Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying it was all that. I don't know who it is, but it is.

It's not a good look. No, the way, the way that our government handled that was horrible. I mean, we started, we started taking tanks and just like smashing his fucking vehicles. I mean, of course, he's going to be pissed and start retaliating. I would too. I get it. Like, I feel for the people that died, obviously, but I don't really feel for David Kuresh, but I would, I feel for the people that followed his dumbass. Yeah. Well, that was a big part of the holy hell documentary too. But so that happened while they were still in Austin. So they had to basically the

leader was worried the same thing was going to happen to him. So they all started to have to be like real coy and pretend that they weren't doing culty shit because he was worried the FBI were going to come and just wreck him too.. Yeah, Raiders claims. Yeah. So were they all living in the building then? In this one it was a big different. He was very controlling but they each person kind of had their own lives. They a lot of them were quite successful around their own businesses. You know, they had good money coming in. successful around their own businesses, you know, they had good money coming in. But if somebody like wanted to date someone or if, you know, one lady got a dog

and he was super annoyed about it, it doesn't like dogs. Yeah. It was just like, you can't have the dog that he's not to fool us. And it is not what God wants. And she's like, it's a fucking dog, man. Oh, man. Who? What about the, uh, Epson salt thing, those those salt bank baths? We've, we've both done that. How, I mean, that's a very trippy, very cool thing. I can't think of the name of those, those salt pods. Oh, the, um, deprivation tanks. Yeah, deprivation tanks. I didn't

really. A float lab. The guy who started that was really, you know, just trying to create a cycle death, psychedelic experience through that, you know, city and one of those little chambers, you know, like having your, the, the, the, the Epson salt, you know, you're floating. I mean, I've gone in there completely sober. And I had a psychedelic experience when I was in there. I was like seeing stars and I felt like I was in the desert. I remember vividly.

I was definitely without a doubt tripping out in that tank. I was, I was, I was, what did you do on the, there's one embozeman, there was one embozeman. Oh, nice. And then the second time I went in, I smoked a bunch of weed before I went in and then I really tripped out but I could feel my heart. I feel like I could just feel my heart beating too fast. So it freaked me out a little bit. I got a little paranoid in the tank. But you're not like a big weed guy though. No, it makes me paranoid. That shit's too strong. I'm not. Yeah, I'm a huge weed guy.

Well, if you did less, you'd probably be all right. Yeah. I used to go to the one in Venice float lab that crash owns. And I think Rogan is invested in float labs out there. So he's he's a big reason why I think the West is a West Hollywood or maybe just Hollywood location opened up, which is really nice. Crash has, he's like a mad scientist. He definitely has the best float tanks I've ever seen. They're huge containers.

It's like half a shipping container. It's so well made. It just brilliantly isolating. You know, it's a soundproof, very cool therapy. And it is very trippy. It is very trippy. I recommend if you can manage edible marijuana, and you know, you know, your dosages, that you're comfortable with, you don't have to go crazy in there.

But like, if you can manage it and you're comfortable with it, take those. Yeah. And eat some. Get it in there. Eat some edibles before you go in. Yeah. I mean, I did one time I did four and a half hours in one of those. A long time.

How much weed? How much did you eat? I did quite a lot. Well, quite a lot from me. Like 15, I think it was like a 25 milligram cookie. And I'm quite sensitive to, um, edibles, like a five milligram edible works well for me for like a good few hours. I'm right there. I'm, I'm feeling it. So 25 is like, I don't really want to be in public and jam with people. So some people can handle that no problem. Get way too paranoid. But I got dropped off there and my girlfriend at the time dropped me off

and I get in, crash meets me because he was working, he's mostly always working at the Venice location. But that though he has other people that work there. And he's like, hey man, he's always super chill than just like this hippie frickin scientist. And he's like, yeah, yeah, just go in, everything's good. Blah, blah, blah. I get in there. And because I'm pretty fucking high, I just thought the time was going slow, but in my mind, right?

Because usually I got a feel for it. I've done, because he does, he can, he does it for like two hours. He likes the book two hours session. So which is really nice. I think that's the best way to do it. Because you need some time to get comfortable and gain to it. Two hours was always good.

And I was sure I got to like the two hour mark. And I was like, why is he not come in? And I said, you know what? It's because it's in your mind and you're rushing and you like just relax into it. Obviously he's not going to leave you in here. It ended up being so long that my girlfriend at that time called down to float lap and was like, Hey, I dropped my boyfriend off and he

had been quite a lot of edibles and he hasn't come back from the float tank and crash was like, Oh, shit. He was just like in his own world. He just left me in there. Forgot about you. Yeah, just, I shit, he was just like in his own world. He just left me in there. Forgot about you. Yeah, just, I mean, I was safe. Nothing was gonna happen. I think I needed a P pretty bad, but yeah,

I was just P in there. It's fine, it'll float. You know, a lot of people probably do, and he has, he has really good filtration systems, but I always felt like, I always felt like, nah, that's a bit disrespectful, but I'm telling you, man, the longer you could tolerate in one of those things, I would say that if ever I was in a position to have like one ball of luxury expense, like forget a swimming pool, forget like those types

of things, if I could afford one of those float tanks, I'd fucking get one for sure. Yeah, they're really nice. It was a great tanks, I'd fucking get one for sure. Yeah, that really did. No, it was a great experience. I felt very uplifted for about a week. I think the first couple of days when I got out of there, I felt like I was floating, I felt lighter. It's like a force meditation. It's really hard to get into one of those float tanks

and not feel relaxed. And I just remember, I was doing like whale sounds in there. Like you can just, you can hear your breath and you can feel your heartbeat. And it just gets you. There's like no stimulus. It's like you're in a very straight up, like you're in the womb again. Like you just can hear everything. You don't know which way is up or down.

I mean, I remember being like, am I, did I turn around in here? Did I, am I sideways? Like I just, you have no sense of like, what's up or down left or right? It's very strange. You, you do almost get like an odd vertigo. Yeah. Where you feel like the whole thing is like tipping backwards

or something. Right. It's just because you can't figure out where gravity is pulling. Exactly. Weightlessness. Yeah, it's like being in outer space, I would imagine. Pretty cool. It's making me want to do one right now. Me too, buddy.

Well, let's get into a couple of things right at the end here. Speaking of this, you know, the trip while dreaming, they've talked about, you know, feeling like they were on DMT while they were dreaming. Dreams where he took some sort of potion in the dream, this overwhelming feel of calm and serenity. I mean, I've had those dreams before. I actually felt that when I drown, I had that same exact feeling of just like, everything's going to be okay, everything's good. No, and they've talked about how that's the pituitary gland, you know, giving you that natural DMT,

which is this feeling that everything is completely okay, completely calm, serene. So that was something I had wrote down in my notes, but then it goes on to talk about that the ancient pharmacology class that they're now teaching in Yale, which is really cool. So now not only is it in Harvard, but it's in Yale. So nice work. East Coast. Let's go. Yeah.

And then they finally talked about again, I was hoping they'd talk about the vessels more and the finding the Urgot and these vessels. There was really not a bunch of talk about it other than right at the beginning and right at the end and right at the end Brian. Go ahead. I don't think he has enough access yet to the museum pieces so that he can test what's in him. Well, right. I think really that's what it's coming down to. So museums out there, I fucking give him access so he can check those things out.

See what's in it. Right. Because they said they only found one of the 10 miniature cups that they found in that place, which is now modern day Spain, that actually had Urgot in it. It was these little miniature vessels. And then, oh, and then also they found it in a tooth that was tested. There was sediment of the Urgot that was found in somebody's

jaw bone, which I thought was pretty cool, which means they were clearly ingesting it. And then they feel like back in the day, they like, we've probably had time. We think we're spoiled now that we can go to like a cool dispenser here and just have access to all the weed, whatever. Back in the day, I bet you could go into like some freaking dope Shop, yeah medicine man place in Greece and they'd just have walls of like mushrooms Weed who knows they'd have they'd have

Urgot acid psychedelics and who knows what else and it was, pick your poison, you know, modern day. Modern day. And cover baby. Let's go. Uh, Dittura, this black drink I had never heard of that talking about these Mississippi sites. What was it like? They found that these plants were naturally caffeinated. There was alkaloids, uh, in the, it was, it was like a zombie drug that they had found that he mentioned that modern day drug lords had been using this stuff to zombify people. I had never heard of that before. That was a very interesting point that they were making. And then, you know, that right at the end there, these fresco paintings that they found that not only had Christian you know, paintings, but pagan paintings, it was almost a mix of like Christian and pagan. It was

like you could see that these old fresco paintings, which are underground and hidden, right? Because it was it was sacrilegious to even talk about Christianity in those days, right? It was like, it's like, come on, you guys are outcasts. And so that was interesting, but talking about from Homer's Odyssey, there was a gal, and I can't think of her name right now, the witch gal who was making potions in the Odyssey. And there was a depiction of that in one of these fresco paintings that was really a mixture of both Christianity and paganism, which, you know, wow, pretty sweet to come across that painting. That's all I got, bro. That was a good chat.

I like it. I liked them. I'm glad he came on. Hopefully, we'll get them on again. And you know, as his classes or the, you know, this whole branch of new study expands, I think we're going to find a lot of amazing information about ancient cultures and what they were up to and really what they were capable of doing in terms of psychedelics, drugs, and just everything that they were using. I was into it. Awesome. Awesome stuff. Todd, thank you as always.

I enjoyed it. Everybody, thank you. And we will talk to you later in the week. All right. Peace out, fans. Peace out. Peace out. Peace out. the week. Peace out fans.