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because it would go against the whole diet that he's been touting, and many people have been following. Turns out he's great, doing great. Strong, looks jacked. Yeah, he's jacked, he's huge. Yeah, it's like 55, crushing it. 200 and some GJ, too.

Plus pounds. It's a big dude. It's big dude. It's grand. It was also nice to hear that, you know, he had some cake at a birthday and and you know He's he's not like Completely 100% the only way is all read me all the time nothing else like he had a he has some treats

He didn't feel good Have some treats. Yeah, you don't you don't die instantly from it. You don't feel great, but you can have some treats. I just think that's important for people to hear, because it probably does seem very extreme to go from a regular American diet. You lean into something, especially carnival, and it's like, whoa, am I sure this red meat is good and can I never eat something else ever again? And it's like, nah, you can. I guess the- Give it a shot.

The my takeaway was when he was explaining about all those large people breaking their addiction which- Right. Which breaks that addiction and turn off the switch of Reflexively eating sugar. Why not have a little bit of cake everyone's normal once you've controlled that Yeah, you just have to be careful. I mean when he talked about one of his patients being 700 pounds and losing 500 pounds by eating carnivalore. I mean what more evidence do you need evidence yeah I mean the only way I would think of losing 500 pounds if you weighed 700 pounds is literally just stop eating and drink water and just see how long you can

last but that would be brutal. Didn't he say one of them went 40 days without eating anything? They're fastened for 40 days just in their couch? You probably could. I mean, when you have a ton of fat on your body, that these are energy reserves. Like, you know, I'm sure you would need electrolytes and lots of water, but I'm sure you could go a long time if you were somewhat obese.

I think I have a man in England fasted for over a year under Dr. Dr. Sparvision. I've heard of that, yeah. And what was interesting about his case case supposedly his stretch marks sorted themselves out It was like the skin was Receiving in such a way that it maintained Enough of the maybe the collagen or something to kind of repair the stretch marks. It's our elasticity Yeah, I mean that takes some incredible willpower though. And I would imagine that wouldn't be for everyone, but, you know, like, those people must be

in a really high state of ketosis. So they're probably feeling a lot better than they had been feeling, you know, with each day going by, not feeling so inflamed, not so much of the inflammatory markers, which is just really uncomfortable. What is it about that? That's something, what do you mean?

That drive, that eating drive, and when you eat sugar or things that are, that we're talking about in this case that are bad for you. Quote unquote. What is it about mostly? Cubs, right? Cubs and sugar. Well, supposedly when you eat a very instant sugary thing that really spikes your insulin, high glycemic index, like sucralose fructose type sugars, it stimulates the same part of your brain that is stimulated when you're doing cocaine.

So, you know, it has that very addictive quality. And then when you're associating food with that feeling, it's like- Your drug, I guess. Exactly. You know, imagine if you had 10 supplements in front of you. One's a multivitamin, ones something else, ones something else, and one of them is cocaine.

And they're like, all of these are supplements. And they're all, they all play a role in enhancing your functioning, right? Let's say for whatever reason that the cocaine, this is like the 1920s, and the cocaine is in the, a new tropic section. It's like, no, it makes you create businesses or you know just some fucking old school medicine thinking. Well if you're looking at the more and you've tried the more just the same as you would you could look at it them in the same way and say fat protein carbohydrates. It's like you know some of them build the body, some of them give you nutrients, like protein,

you know, to build muscle, and then some of them give you energy, which is like, in this case, that cocaine one. Well, you're definitely going to have a favorite supplement real quick, if you think it's okay. And that's the problem. It's like, they see where people are taught that like cobs in any form are okay Right, right and even even show it just like sodas. It's like that's fine. Do you think sodas? You know planning a people think that so of course that's that preferred Thing and it creates this weird feedback. It's like if you make For example, you can have like keto pancakes have you ever seen those? They're maybe like almond flour and different types of flour

that doesn't have a lot of carbohydrates in. I've seen those. Yeah, and they're quite high in protein. Now, they don't taste terrible, but they don't taste as great as a straight up floury sugary pancake. Right. Okay, we can all agree. The other thing is that when you start eating them, if you have like four of the keto ones, because they're like high in protein, you get a feedback of like not wanting to keep eating them. So you won't eat too many. You'll have like... You'll have like... Eventually full. Yeah, you'll just get full pretty quick, you get like satiated, and you're like, that's good.

The other ones though, don't really do that, because your body is just like, you know, understanding that it's sugar. Sugar, sugar, and it just creates this like, want to keep going. It's like a bag of chips. You can just destroy a bag of chips. You won't stop.

I won't. Yeah, they're pretty amazing. But I don't know if you could do that with like a bag of like delicious pork rinds. Only if I had the the right kind of dip. Yeah, like a like a pureed avocado with some with some lime salt in there. Maybe some salsa. Yeah, but I think with the pork rinds you would start the fillup pretty quick because again, it's a lot of fat, a lot of protein. Or chip it to your body. Your body would just kind of tell you like, hey, I've had enough.

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once he first started to notice that people going on these carnival diets were getting these really good results. Because obviously his job was to kind of create better health and get people feeling better, maybe losing weight, getting out of morbidly obese and getting their lab results in good shape. So he's seeing that these types of elimination diets work,

different ones, keto and whatever. And even in a way, being a vegetarian and a vegan is kind of like a elimination diet too, you're getting rid of certain things that sometimes cause people some problems. But then he goes to his hospital where he works and his research clinic and presents this information. and they basically threaten to take his license. It's, I mean, it kind of ties him with many of other joes of other joes of joes other guests.

That those people are a part of the complex and the industrial, the food complex, the pay dietitians, they pay influencers, and doctors, to keep people on well, essentially, is what I glean. Yeah. I mean, it's just difficult to hear that like even doctors today, are, you know, they have their, what is it called, the Hippocratic Elif? Yeah.

Something? That's it. They have that. Yet other than taking it, it's like, what does it really mean? I mean, I think that there should just be very, very strict ethics boards, you know, in every state that are constantly analyzing these behaviors. And it's like, no, we're going to tie this back to your oath. You can't just be like, well, that's what it sounded like.

It was okay. Or I've always been told, red meat's bad. It's like, hey, it's your responsibility to continue to educate yourself and continue to learn and look at the data. Unless you can prove what you were prescribing is actually going to be helping people, you were breaking your oath and you're in big trouble. I guess why can we not have standards like that for doctors? When you mix the product sector with medicine, you go down a slippery path, like they might sit on the board of USDA,

governing bodies that regulate the recommendations for people, and those people are paid by big cereal or sugar. Fuckin' big cereal. Like those Kellogg brothers. Oh yeah, well they don't want you masturbating If I know anything about Kellogg's he was a wacko him and his brother they were They were they were tyrants and it was almost all sexually motivated by the bit that I've read about him What are we at it? So they were the solution was to make you eat cod board so they ran a

What are we at it? So the solution was to make you eat cod board. So they ran a sanitarium or an estenicillum from then. And you know, you don't want them to participate in any unsavory activities. So they would frown upon that. I think they also added some salt-peater to the Kellogg flakes, which just mushed up corn, reconstituted into a breakfast food, and they did, he did other weird stuff like, um, Pierce, the foreskin of people, and then, uh, literally bolt their foreskin clothes so they couldn't achieve successful erections.

What? Just terrible things. Yeah. My God. Seventh day Adventists. Really? Are the, that from what we heard on this podcast, they are the ones that set up our food pyramid. And they were traditionally vegetarians. Huh. Well, that thing's needed to be re-analyzed for some time. Let's be honest. I mean, it's all over the place. All these fucking grains. I've never been sold on that and I was raised the vegetarian. What the healthy heart grains? I was just like, are we birds? What the fuck? Why are we eating all these grains? Like I'm, because I even knew that from a tiny kid. I remember asking my dad that once.

I was like, where did we get all the wheat from? And he was like, well, that wasn't till we started farming. And I'm like, when did we start farming? And he like had an idea. And I'm like, that doesn't seem that long ago. What were we doing before that? You might get a few random grains in your diet, but you're you're not gonna be eating grass. I'll tell you that. Well, but even when you have the grains, like think of flour.

Like even if you found random wheat, you can't just eat that. You start to like, crush it up with rocks. Then you've got some flour. and then by the time you've done all that, you would have just speared a deer. Yeah, you could... You're just like, what are we doing with this powder? You gotta have a lady first to make it into a masa, and then you gotta make tamales out of it, but you gotta put pork in there, you gotta get a pig. I would just stick with a pig.

It's complicated. Boil the bones. Yeah, it just makes more sense that we weren't doing that. And occasionally we would find like a wild strawberry or something. There was probably the size of a pea and super bitter. And then we grew up with fruits. Probably weren't even even fruit. We grew up with fruits as far as evolutionarily.

We had fruits. I'm pretty sure though that even most of the fruits that we have today are like selected over time. Like we took, I'm sure all the original apples were like crab apples. They were like really sour, not very good. And over time we've just had to keep fucking with them until we made them sweeter.

Yeah, and the only apples that we eat today are not grown from seed. They're grown from spices because if you take a seed of any apple, of delicious, a golden delicious, a gala, if you take one of those seeds and plant it, you're not going to get a gala tree. You're going to get any random number of trees. They're heterozyg, zygotes, I believe is the term. So will they grow apples though? They'll grow apples, but it could be a spitter, which are best for cider. In fact, that's how we probably started making cider because every apple that you'd pick up was terrible to eat.

So you might as well just make it a tasty beverage. I get it. That's interesting. So maybe a lot of different fruits are like that. I'm not exactly sure about that, but probably pairs. Well, fun fact, my grandfather used to splice apples and pear trees together. So he basically, yeah, well, he had a great garden that he grew a lot of veggies in. And he also had a beautiful like flower garden area too.

It was like a very old English traditional garden. We had a cricket pitch. He had one of those big heavy rollers. I don't know if you've ever seen them. There's just like a big steel drum and you like roll it down the The cricket thing to make it all nice and flat What do we play cricket out there? But he had like plum trees Gooseberries strawberries Raspberries apotries and with the apotries he would take these cuttings like slice the branch and then get, I think in pretty sure it's pear and then slice it kind of the same way

like diagonal, you know, and then tie it all together and the tree would then grow both the fruits. As a kid, I thought that was cool. That's magic. He's magic. That's super smart. So that's how all our apples are made now. Exactly the exact same way. Okay. It's all grafting isn't it's grafting. Well either way it sounds like eating meat was was preferred. Sounds easier too. How much how much

time in the day that we have to be doing all this growing So the pick so the pig was invented No, we go bacon Stakes bacon. I love it. I mean it look. It's interesting stuff, you know like he said Even with things like cholesterol concerns that that's always a big Concern whenever I've mentioned carnival to people, old school thinkers, and just the way that we've been taught, like saturated fat, high cholesterol, like these things are bad, blood pressure, you know, in the demonization

of saturated fats, as this some kind of poison, it's like if you put it on a scale of, and you ask most people, like, what do you think's more poisonous? Sugar or saturated fats? Like if you ate saturated fats all day, or sugars all day, which one do you think would be worse? You wouldn't be surprised to hear that plenty of people would say saturated fats.

And it's just not true. And even the dieticians, they know. They look at me like a nut case, whenever I just say, hey, I'm trying to sing where I mostly eat meat now. They look at me with like a conspiracy thirst with a horrific look on their face. They call me an idiot.

They call you a flat ear. It's not getting to that, but there's no fear. They think you're into chemtrails. Or that. We've got a lot to learn and and you know Sean is a pioneer in that area and if you're interested or you have health problems it's worth watching a lot of his videos following along seeing if you can incorporate some of this into your life and watch the effects, see if you feel better. I mean, that's ultimately what it is. Are you feeling better?

Are you more productive? Can you get more done? Do you have more energy? You know, is your body aching less? And I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will. I'm a big fan. It's a big fan.

Anyway, he's a legend. Let's jump over to Cam Haynes. So Joe and Cam just got back from hunting. Cam is an absolute legend, of course. We love Cam Haynes. Ultra marathon guy can run like the Moab 240. He's been doing like over hundred mile runs for some time He's Joe's age or very close. I mean to think that someone can be in that shape at his age is

Inspirational and it should be I mean, you know, he's in better shape at what 54 55 Then I have ever been ever in my life I ever might be never like I like to be ambitious about working out and pushing it But you're not gonna beat him oh Not gonna be him no, he's well, and then and then behind you know ahead of him is David Goggins who he knows well has trained with David Goggins knees are completely destroyed bone on bone Every doctor that looks at it is like how can you even walk and he can outperform Basically the fittest athletes that try and do that hell week with him Who was the the UFC guy who was training

with him now? Ferguson. So Tony. So Tony's like had insane cardio forever. He's, I don't think he's retired. He may have just, but I don't think so. So he's still world class UFC fighter much younger than David and the only person ever to finish the hell week and I don't know if you watch the videos but it looked like he was in hell. He about his day. Yeah. Yeah, he's a specimen. And you know, you love him or hate him. I have to like him. I don't know, but a lot about him.

The Goggins that is. Yeah. And he's all mind, all mind over matter that guy. Yeah. You know, I know a few special forces guys that don't know him directly. I know these people because one of them used to be my workout partner when I was in Bozeman and he's very well connected to a lot of his old teammates and other special forces people that he knows

because he worked at a place where he did therapy for people getting out of the military. There was special forces, so he has a huge network in that arena. And he's not a fan of Grogens. Okay. And from what he's told me, there are plenty of special forces people. And I'm not making any judgment like whether it's more or less or whatever, but there are enough of special forces people and I'm not making any judgment like whether it's more or less or whatever, but there are enough of them

that don't really like his style for whatever reason. I don't know why that is. I never really got a clear explanation, honestly to me, if anything, it sounds a little bit like jealousy. Sometimes there's some question of like his record or what he did in that but You know, I mean if you want to play who has the bigger dick game sure But you can't take away from him that he's massively inspiring He can push himself like no one else I've ever heard of and

I don't know he motivates dude at a level that I don't know Another person that does it so yeah if you want to be out there and be a hater on him That's totally up to you free country USA do what you want to be out there and be a hater on him, that's totally up to you. Free country, USA, do what you want, love freedom. Go ahead. Also, go out there and also be as motivating, then. Be more motivating. Be motivating in a different way. Like do something.

If you're complaining about him more than you're motivating people, then that's something you should question, I think. Why waste of time? Why not just get out there and try it? Yeah yeah he has a good book too. It was it was like hop-breaking kind of read it. He had tough life tough upbringing. Love Gogans. How about Gogans? He's talking about that guy from his hometown that could lift like This dead lift 300 pounds a hundred times. What was it squat? 300 pounds. Oh, yeah, he could do like a he could do like a Turkish get up with 135 or something like basically two 45s on a bar and just stand up with it. That's that's extraordinary

Freak a straight. There's some strong fucking people out there, dude. They, you know, and it's not like you have to be like that. I think it's just great to be inspired by it. Yeah. You know, even if, even if all it does is just get you in the gym more consistently, you're not trying to compete with them.

Just be inspired by what they can do. Who is the Australian guy that we're talking about? Tom Havilland? I don't know if you, you that's it. Yeah, if you, if you don't follow him on Instagram, you need to. The guy is about as strong as a human can be.

Nuts. And yeah, he just looks like he got back from his shift at a factory wearing the same clothes and he's just lifting weights that would snap me in half. Yeah, if I even tried to. I can't, I wouldn't be able to shift those things. He's got like the, you know, all the best genes,

all the criminals from the UK going down there. There we go. Completely Australia. 5.6.7. That's not. Defying thing goes. 350 or something like that. It sounds like he's got some jail experience.

He's the kind of gotten man. I, I, I hopefully he'd maybe my, you know, his boyfriend, so I wouldn't have to, uh, be shared among the yard. Oh, if you were in prison. Yeah. That might be my, you know, his boyfriend, so I wouldn't have to be shared among the yard. Oh, if you were in prison. Yeah. That might be the guy. That's the guy you immediately go through. Just turn.

Like, hey, I make a mean scrambled eggs. A girl's all, come on in. Girl cheese, are you buddy? Yep. I'm gonna call you Susan. I'm in. Might as well. Go.

Safety first. It might be the only way. It might be the only way might be the only way, but it's just ridiculous to think like I'd be curious to know How is body feels I can't I still can't imagine that if you aging. I don't know how old he is You might not be that old, but you know how how long can you lift that level of weight for? Like, I'm all for working out late into life and lifting decent weight as you go, but there is a point where you've got to like teeter off a little bit and you know, your joints taking a hit, even if your muscles can do it. Like, the joints are always like the weakest part,

right? Can you stop? I mean, if you stop, don't the eggs catch up with you, you know? Maybe, yeah, maybe you just get to a point where you're like, all right, I just keep going like this and hope I don't get injured. And do your best. I mean, I have a pretty like casual style workout. Like I don't, I'm not like constantly in the gym trying to put that extra five pounds on. You know, what I do is I just mix it up.

I'll do like a series of eight weeks of like a kettlebell routine, then I'll switch over to more traditional lifting, which is just like bench and squats and deadlifts, then I'll kind of switch it up again. I just kind of go through that. It just keeps me a long way from injury and keeps me in good enough shape for myself. Like I'm comfortable with it. You have not let yourself down.

You're still gaining strength and maintaining flexibility. Sounds like it's working for you. Yeah, and you know I'm 42. I can't tell you how many friends I have, 35 and above that all seem to have pretty chronic nagging injuries, even in the same place, all they're like rotating through their body. Yeah. And that's from the people that work out. I know the people that don't work out are feeling even worse. Oh, yeah.

And it's a total excuse for them not to work out. My low back, this, my neck, this. I can't work out my feet hurt. And I'm like, you're 300 pounds. Maybe that's where your feet hurt. It's the gout. It's nothing but gout. It's the King's disease.

On that note, he mentions going to the clinic and getting a shot up with stem cells. Yeah, pretty excited about that. Well, they also told them after you get the stem cells, you're not supposed to work out. Well, that's basically like to own a bed that he can't shit in the woods. So good luck getting Cam to not work out. I don't know how you'd be able to do that. But I'll be interested to hear how well that works for him because if it does, I don't know if David Goggins is doing that but he should get his eyes down there and probably

just drinks themselves for the next six months. He needs to live in a bath as sim cells. Get your soak in it. Is that a dream of Chrome? Is that? Oh, did I mention the? Oh, did we say canceled? Just no, it's like you remember the matrix when Neo woke up and he's like in all that gear. Yeah, that's it. It's just like that. It's just like a gooey stem celly bath. I'll do that. How much is that cost? Is it caught? can regular folks do that? Can I afford that?

I need that. Stem cells are not astronomical, right? So number one, like here's some of the advantages to the US not allowing it here. Is that you're going to Mexico, you're going to Panama. Panama, I think is where Joe sent his mother. And that did great stuff for her knees,

because they were recommending surgery here and I've done a lot better. I think you go down there, they have whole packages so they put you in like decent hotel. And then, it's like $2,000,000 for the sessions, depending on how much you get done, but you know, it's it's not like Millionaire money stuff. It's not nothing. I mean people most people today can't pay you know have an extra thousand dollars

So it is something. Gotcha, but if if you are faced with you know know, a serious surgery, and you've got room on your credit cards, and you feel comfortable and believe in those types of procedures and the anecdotal reports that are coming back where people are saying it's working, you know, I mean, of all the things you can buy that might be something worth buying, you know? I think I might instead of like going out and being like, hey, I need a new car. No, how about just keep the same car? It works. It's doing the job and invest some in your knees or whatever. Where are your ailments? Um, what are you going on?

I grappling, I really injured my wrist. Where are your ailments? What are you going on? Grappling, I really injured my wrist. It's been about a month of no gym, no yoga, no jets. I don't know. What happened? How did you do your wrist? I went to lift and trip a buddy with a training partner from his belt. So I had his belt. I didn't properly grab it with my left hand.

So my left hand was kind of partially on his belt. And so I and I tweaked it when I was turning to dump him over. It is tweaked. It felt like I was grabbing something too heavy. I went for it and I grabbed him wrong and it tweaked my wrist and now it's... Oh, so it wasn't while you were falling, he fell on your wrist. No, it was a lifting injury. Okay. Okay. So it's a little swollen still. Okay, okay, huh, so it's a little swollen still

Well, that's the thing about you, Jetsu. It's a wild card of injuries, you know, it's just it's not It's just a matter of time with something yeah so many unusual twists and turns and movement You can't prepare for all of it the best you can hope for is be careful as you can Try and improve. And then when you get injured, back off because people often get injured and then keep trying to train. And then that shit gets so much worse. But it's the price you pay with you, Jitsu. I would like to know if anyone ever got the black belt without a major injury.

I think Lex Freeman might have done it. Yeah, my professor broke his tip fit as a brown belt, snapped it. It was terrible. Terrible to watch. Jesus. You saw it. Oh, yeah. It was in the gym.

What happened? Like someone's cranking his ankle or what? It was as we had one of our big purple belts on his back and his name is Greg. He was passing and you know how you get their hands in their knees, their knees. So you he's dance left, dance right, dance left, dance right to go to shove his knees one way to get half a mount or side control. And his toes caught on the mat and bent under. And he broke his own ankle with his own body weight just moving,

trying to just pass his legs. But his jits is works. He is a great black belt now out of Flagstaff, Arizona. Shout out to Greg Everett. Yeah. Well, but that's the thing. You gotta take some risks sometimes. I mean, you train enough that it's only a matter of time. It didn't stop him. It did not stop this guy. It shouldn't. It shouldn't. Get healthy again, get back in there. The belts, you know, it's just a lifelong thing

Hey, and that's the thing it's like when people try and get me into fucking snowboarding or running a marathon or doing all these different things That I'm probably gonna cause a lot of injuries. I'm like look Jiu-Jitsu will cause me my injuries exactly. I don't I don't want them at the gym and I don't want them from a bunch of other Activities that I think are dumb. I'm not doing it. Save him for the mats Yeah, I let's let's talk a little bit about some of the hunts that they've been on recently and Just kind of like the feel of these hunts and why people do it Obviously that's cams thing. That's why he's there. He's a world-class

bow hunter. Joe has probably done more for bow hunting than maybe anyone ever because of the reach of his podcast. It's so great to just kind of hear the drive that gets them out there. And then the reflection of even Cam saying, this is what it's about. This is everything and the rest of life is just a distraction. It's like this is one of most present, most there, feeling it all. Connected to our past.

Everything's hard, everything's tiring. You've got like one opportunity, just one moment, one second, careful precision from all that training after, you know, even the months of training and then the days long of hiking and struggling and all sorts of weather that's not very fun to get to this moment that

You know when once you take the picture with the animal It's often demonized by non-hunters and vegans and the rest of it as you just this Piece of shit that loves killing animals the grippin grin like all that. I think I think it's just so misunderstood Honestly and look I understand what they're coming from and they have their right to feel however they want to. Thinking, right. That's how I grew up. I wouldn't have understood it as a kid.

I was a vegetarian. My dad did a lot with animal rights in England and just activism with green peas. And I had no idea. It's like I had to come to America and be educated in what hunting was. And then when I saw what it is and learned it and understood the respect that you have out there and talked to so many hunters that have like unbelievable respect for nature and these creatures and understanding

of what they are. It's like, oh yeah, I wasn't looking at this right. And we got to face it that hunters are the most, they contribute the most monetarily to the foundations and the animals directly. They do the most to preserve and conserve these animals. Teddy Roosevelt, the Deeter Roosevelt Conservation. Who also did you get to? So he was a good, good president. They don't make him like that. They don't make him like that anymore.

Yeah, he gets some more teddies. He invented the national parks. He invented a or rather he put us together the Grand Canyon Park. He wouldn't hunted there. Like the punters respect and care for the animals that they harvest. Where does our me? Well, it's amazing is this country has the most money to what put towards animal preserves that isn't coming from the federal government. I mean, plenty of it is, but so much of it is coming from the hunters and people with up by ammo, and no other country can even compete with us with the expanses of ranges of land that we can preserve because of this money coming in that isn't draining kind of our

tax dollars. It's very impressive that we do that. And yeah, obviously environmentalists are not giving credit to the hunters or people that buy ammo for that. And what I would say to them is, okay, if you care so much, go raise more money than these people are doing go raise more money go Yeah, go raise more money take care of more land preserved if it's so important if you care so much do it But they can't do that so all right. I guess I'll keep buying my duck stamps. I'll keep buying my hunting license and never getting a deer Yeah, I know yeah almost basically never killing anything. That's my entire Life of hunting so hey when I move closer we're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna be duck hunting we're gonna be duck hunters Okay, what did duck hunting? That sounds easier. You just sit by a pond and just throw bread down and then class them or what?

Sounds like you've been duck hunting before mine then I played Nintendo mind. No, you're out there in the woods I'll hopefully on a boat. It's my preferred method, but or you can be in a blind You've got to get it real early You blast a couple ducks you cook them up. There you go Duck is good. I'm big fan. What is that? Hussin, Hussin sauce? Hussin? Oh, Hussin. Damn it.

But is that even anything to do with ducks? Yeah, yeah, that's how Chinese food, they serve them with these little wraps. It's like a little wrap, like a pancake thing. Yeah, and you just put the duck in and some Hussin. Those are all pretty much farm raised ducks, so they taste a lot different. They're greasy, they have, they can't fly, they're, they're waddling around.

You won't be wanting wild ducks. Wild ducks, what do they taste like? They're not greasy. They're, they're dark meat, they're, um, depends on how you cook it. Of course, you got to brine it, soak it in salt, wash the salt off, get the blood out of the, out of the meat. It's good, it's rich. Okay. But I think also we can get deer it out. Let's get some deer's though.

We're not, we're not. Yeah, we do what we can, but we're gonna start easy. Because my success rate is low. You can't throw me in like bow hunting elk. Like I'm quite away from that. We tried though. It's, we did, we did our best. We did our best.

Tell me about a successful hunt that you've been on, mostly because I just have to run on my fridge and get up a brew. The, well I guess one of my favorite ones will be duck hunting, turkey hunting with the Ronella brothers on a burn scar in Montana where we took Lamas and packed all our water all our gear and went out there and filmed the TV show meet eater one of the first

episodes of their first or second season and That was the most fun to hang out with those guys. They are a hoot and a half. They practice what they preach. And Steve's brother Matt is a doctor of ecology. And he is a nutter, very, very lovely gentleman. That's right. I totally forgot that you worked for them.

And that's perfect because Joe is going out with Steve in the next week or so doing some hunting. I really miss working with those guys. They're the true Americans. Very funny. Sweet men. Very nice guys. Yeah, I met Steve at a

Talk that he had at one of the like hunting stores in Boseman and You know, it was like go along and and he's like talking about the this season and like different places to go and Just taking questions and it was really cool. He hung out afterwards very normal down to earth dude, just, you know, shooting the shit and was just brilliant. I was talking to him about how he grew up vegetarian. And he was like, well, I'm glad my education could help you away from that nonsense. Like he was very funny, dude. He's got some great jokes. He's just a dude. But he those guys they make it look effortless.

They they don't it doesn't take them. It's it's no work for them to get an animal Is it just that because they've done it their whole lives like they just kind of know everything about it? I think if you love something, it's not work. If you love doing it, then it's easy. And whether or not you get an animal, you're out there doing what you wanna do. They know how to do it though. They did corrupt doing that stuff. Right.

He's always reminded me of like the Anthony Bourdain of hunting shows. That's what he did. You know how Anthony brought like poetry, almost to food? Yes. And like whether you were that into food or not, you'd be into the way that he talked about food. It was like undeniable his passion with it. Steve seems to do the same thing but for hunting shows. And why it stood out is there so many bad hunting shows. Oh yeah, they were just sitting under a corn feeder, blasting white tails at hay bales,

and they don't do any of that stuff. They might do a little bit to fill the niche because that is the type of hunting that we do in the United States, but those guys are spot and stock, and well he is an author, he has written many books, so he's not a dummy. He knows how to spin a yarn, that's for sure. Yeah, I have one of his game cooking books here. It's, oh man. I just have to get some game, yeah, which is the sad part about it It's like I have this cookbook and I'm like I I can't kill any of the things yet dammit

Maybe we should just start maybe we should just start under a feeder. Let's go to Texas visit my visit my my family Oh, yeah, you can probably grenade launch of them from helicopters in that state Yeah, yeah, I'm only we had a helicopter, but I'd be in. Yeah, I'd be down. Well, yeah, exciting times. Well, hopefully Joe has a good hunt next week. I'm sure he will.

And we'll see who he has on that week because when he's away, he's actually been doing good about not taking a week off. He kind of banks his conversations. So he probably has some, I would imagine comedians just kind of backed up for that, but we'll see who he has. But overall, again, as always, Cam Haines, what a legend. Would love to meet him. Got a great podcast. And yeah, just, he's an inspirational guy. It's like, workout, hunt, hunt, train a lot. Like, cool shit. Exactly.

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