Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 361 Joe Rogan Experience Review Classic of Anthony Bourdain.

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

In the Classic Rogan series we delve back into the archives of JRE to reexamine some of the best moments in the podcasts history. This Classic episode is JRE 138 2011. www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] This week we discuss Joe's podcast guests as always. Review Guest list: Anthony Bourdain A portion of ALL our SPONSORSHIP proceeds goes to Justin Wren and his Fight for the Forgotten charity!! Go to Fight for the Forgotten to donate directly to this great cause. This commitment is for now and forever. They will ALWAYS get money as long as we run ads so we appreciate your support too as you listeners are the reason we can do this. Thanks! Stay safe.. Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Man Made Podcast with Sean Helvey and Adam Thorne, where two old friends breaking down personal experiences using professional insight and creating a better path forward to become men of our own design, Man Made. Hey guys and welcome to a very special version of the or edition of the Joe Rogan experience review joined by my buddy Pete He's my buddy We're doing basically like an old-school recap of a classic Rogan

Anthony Bourdain episode 138 way the way back. This is like so far back even Joe is like still not feeling his intro music. He's still sorting it all out. He's figuring it out. Yeah. He's figuring it out. Red bands on this one. Ray band. Jesus. Red bands on this one Ray band Jesus, red bands on this and I wanted to hit this one because as we all know Anthony's death was tough on Rogan it was very difficult for him anytime that it's brought up I think it's just it's just one that it's a friend that he misses and will always miss forever and I just wanted to go back and kind of discuss it I mean when Bourdain was on Rogan, that was before I started doing reviews So for me, it's kind of a bummer that I

Didn't get to review him before he was gone. What a remarkable guy and I'll tell you what listen to that podcast made me very hungry listen to that podcast, maybe very hungry. Hungry and also you can hear there is individuality in his words. He was a singular human. Awesome guy. I miss him. Yeah, very, very unique individual. I mean, he's almost like the hunter

rest Thompson of food. It's're a food Maybe not a crazy He's your guy He is God and you know what if you're not a foodie if you're not a foodie He's the kind of guy that makes you a foodie like Joe said many times During this episode and has since like he never understood or saw food as like

an art form. It was just a thing you consumed. But now Joe Caesar is like temporary art. It's like changed his understanding and Anthony was so good at delivering his message. It wasn't like just appealing to people that were into interesting foods. It was like, we all eat food. We're all interested in it. We don't realize how into it we are, and it takes somebody like that to kind of highlight it for us. Like, oh, by the way, this is why these flavors are Inpoorn to you. This is why you like this and Oh, it's just also he

crafted the way people Come out come up to food. He crafted the way my friends have started their own businesses. I know one man, very successful chef here in Albuquerque, who it looked to Anthony and his books as a text, a religious home. It was all about it. Yeah. Well, Red Band talks about how is it kitchen confidential? One of his books. That's his big book, right? And Red Band in the podcast was talking about how all the chefs he knows have that book. It's kind of like the Bible for chefs.

It's awesome. And he was 44 when he released that like so he wasn't famous before then he was just struggling Chef slash writer and then boom became famous at 44 and so famous I mean he was Ridiculous He overcame a life of late nights reckless alcohol and drug use failure Feeling of failure. He got over all that shit and Popped off. Mm-hmm

That's why his downfall was so striking for me and many Because you seem like he had it all together and he figured it out. Yeah, heartbreaking. But that loneliness gets in there, man. It gets in there and until the individual addresses it, nothing can fill that gap. Like he was beloved by so many and it wasn't enough. It was like, did he love himself type of thing? And that's a hard one when you've, when you've been to a, you know, a dark

place. We have to seek out that solution. But anyway. Yeah, well, you know, it just highlights that often people think that their problems can be solved by the things that they want. Like, oh, everything will be better if I just had some money, or if I was respected by all the people that I knew. And yeah, maybe for a while, maybe for a while, I would. But if you're not taking care of you and yeah maybe for a while, maybe for a while I would, but if you're not taking care of you and really caring for yourself, you know, then which is hard to do. You have a lifetime of trauma in that probably and, you know, kind of forgiving yourself for it is incredibly difficult.

Are we worthy of it? It's incredibly important. Am I worried for forgiveness? I see that in his writing, the self-deprecating. Yeah, and I think it was a part of why people liked him so much too, because he never, he never let the fame make him feel better than other people, you know, it was like I I'm still who I am, you know, he didn't lose himself in like all of that glory

but it also Could have been keeping him close to that feeling as well That that was hard to shake probably it It's, it's, uh, it was really nice to hear him speak. It was a great podcast. So nice. Oh, so nice to hear him speak. It was a warm, friendly podcast. Just beautifully done.

Yeah, and him just guys were slamming the wall. Getting the wall. Getting the wall. And, yeah, slamming some beers and having a good old time. I mean, he was almost like less encumbered than when he does his show as well. It's like very freeing. Like, especially back then, it's like the Rogan experience wasn't anything like it is. So he's just on it, just hanging out with his buddy.

You know, he didn't even know what it was really he's like oh, yeah, I've heard of podcasts I'll come on and have a chat with you. I don't give a shit. I'll talk about whatever fuck it Love that love that but yeah 44 that's so wild. That's kind of like Ricky's race He wasn't I think he was like 40 years old when he So that gives us hope and keep going. Well, I think it makes like a unique type of celebrity. I think that's why Ricky is the way he is because he lived a life before that. It wasn't only new. He knew what it was like to struggle and be worried and have those fears and just also think that you just

You just and you know not to say just a nothing, but you just a regular Yeah, but if you're a Justin Bieber you never you don't even remember being a regular schmo He was like 10 when he got famous. Well, yeah And now he's been worshiped like Michael Jackson for his whole life I mean there's no way that guy's not No way that he could be normal, but I think he's doing a relatively good job so far That little guy and then Ricky Jervase. Oh, yeah, I think think I can't abide his music. It's all garbage But I'd like him has a person that exists is fine whatever

That explains why you have that Justin Beaver poster. I like a fortune-year-old six pack, okay I instilled it's okay No, regardless of my art. And Rick and Jiveci, what a treasure. Do you think, uh, I think that Anthony would have liked Ricky, actually. Probably does, or did. I bet they knew each other. I would imagine they did. They probably in the same kind of circles, you know. They definitely would have found each other. I would imagine they did. They're probably in the same kind of circles, you know.

They definitely would have found each other very interesting. They're both very small. No bullshit, guys. Ricky has a new Netflix special. I'm going to write out for sure. Mm-hmm. Kitchen confidential though. I'd like to read it. I'm like newly inspired. I'd like to go back and watch What were your shows parts unknown and then the other and then there's something reservations Yeah parts of known no reservations and layovers was this other one. I'm not mistaken. I'll just double check all that Was this other one if I'm not mistaken? I'll just double check all that. Yeah, I'd like to go back and go through those. I have watched plenty of them, but I would like to just go back to the beginning and just

kind of get into it, you know. And also maybe start taking cooking more seriously. I don't know if cooking classes, you know. And also maybe, you know, start taking cooking more seriously. I don't know if cooking classes, either way. I feel like YouTube has so much. But since I moved to Tennessee, I've been smoking a lot of milk on my Trigger. Yeah. And inspired by Rogan. Doing some meat smoking.

And you know, that's a learning curve. There's a lot in there, but there's so much more nuance. I would like to be able to navigate a spice rack and know what everything. Just be like taste and juice and be like, oh, you know what that means? Some cumin. Or something. If someone's like, what does human smell or taste like? I'd be like, I'd have to guess half of them.

On a smoky end of a... A meaty bit. Flavor scale. Right. And then just get some really good recipes down and just take some pride in it. You know, when people are like adding white wine to a dish and then like, you know, simmering it down, and it's just like, I would never think to do this.

I don't even know what it does. You know what I generally do with white wine is just pour it in a glass and then pour it down my throat. So that's all I got. That's all I do about my mind. So when this, we get to talk about art. And then eat a shrimp. Papa have frozen shrimp in my mouth.

I don't know what he means when he talks about art as food. Well, think about it from like a really fancy restaurant, right? And it's not just about those fancy little plates where they dollop like two little blobs on there and then all the sauce and then you're like, oh, that looks pretty. But it's like art in the flavor of it. It's like we eat to sustain ourselves and live, right? That's like the bare minimum. We're doing it to stay alive. But if you start eating in a way, not for every meal, but maybe some meals, in a way to be like, Hey, this isn't keeping you alive. This is just

for the best possible flavors, just like to tantalize. That's the art portion. It's almost like bringing all the colors to the canvas, but you're bringing all the flavors to the plate. And then it's every mouth for is like, wow, and then it's like, you know, accompanied by this other side that also works perfectly. And it's like a symphony on that plate, that kind of. But I say a job. I say you're doing a really good job, but it's grabbing it to me. Right, right. But I'm making it flowery, you know, I'm making it like a bit of poetry with it. It's like that's what he did Exceptionally well. It's he would take some random dish and then create this metaphor and poetic description of what it is based on the whole life of the people You know, he wraps in like the hardiness of it and the

Flavors the represent their soul. Yeah, it was and the... Fracticality. Flavors, the represent their soul. Yeah, it was glorious. And then you're like, oh shit, that does. It's like maybe the food, like each culture has different food, right? Like, Hispanic people have a certain type.

South America, they have their style. Indian food, you know, Middle Eastern, Chinese. Japanese have their own. And it's like, how does it, it yeah I could go on but I noticed you didn't I noticed you didn't so I mentioned the English and why is that I think I know where you're going with this Pete and it might be because English food generally is terrible However, I will say that we went to the Irish pub near me this evening or early today and you've eaten there. I had the cells

Cellsbury steak. Okay, wonderful. The bangers and mash that fantastic the shepherds pie. I'm not Saying English food is great But if you are English they do Irish whatever we're used to it we We have the worst food. No, I don't know shepherds pies England their shepherds in England mind and Bangers and mashers. You know there's a couple just having I'm having I'm having one I'm on one Stanley Stanley the shepherd he's still there But yeah, our food is not the best. I mean you'd have to work quite hard to poetically sell other nations on on English food. I mean our

other nations on English food. I mean, a national cuisine these days is Indian curry. So we completely lost out to our own food. Indian curry from India, from not mistaken. The Indian curry? Correct, yeah. Indian sub-continues? Mm-hmm. You can't lyrically describe beans on toast with a pineapple

Was he did he ever go to England do a any of his shows you think I don't know Well, we do have him. He had a cook's tour. Anthony Bourdain, no reservations. The layover, the taste, and Anthony Bourdain parts unknown. So he had quite a few shows. He must have gone to England.

Get no doubt. No doubt. shows. He must have gone to England. Get no doubt. No doubt. Imagine if it was just a show where you shit on the food. It's being so hard, which is a spat. Logger's flat. Well, there is a video. There is a video online of him going to one of Gordon Ramsey's restaurants. And I think this was before Gordon was like really big on TV but people knew who he was as a celebrity chef in England he doesn't really like being called a celebrity chef he's a chef that also was a celebrity you know because there are those like cook on TV style chefs that he doesn't really want to be associated with. But anyway, Bourdain goes to his restaurant, this Michelin star, super heart-shot restaurant in London, and Bourdain discusses the food and basically says, yes, this is the best food I've ever eaten. This

is the greatest thing. What Ramsay can do is it just... Oh, that's good to hear. Perfect. And then it's really cool at the very end of the little video clip. I don't know. I think it was like some BBC thing he was doing. I don't know. But at the end it's just those two in the kitchen just talking shit to each other, which is hilarious. People who work in a kitchen and chefs are... They're not to be tripled with, they're hard and... They do not take shit from you...

Yeah. Any which way? Oh yeah. I worked at a restaurant, actually with our mutual friend Sean, once, and it was like fine dining and the the chef threatened to punch me in the face in the kitchen one time you liked it probably you dog yeah I was yeah I was 17 he was like 28 and he was like you say that to me again I'll punch you in the face and I did say it again because I

needed the thing that he wasn't giving me because it was taken too long. I was the waiter, so I was like, I need it. So I'm gonna say it again. And he just gave me this look and I was like, oh, that guy, that guy's gonna punch me in the face. Like any minute. Who a wild, wild crew. And I have to say, the guy was an excellent chef. Yeah, that often goes hand in hand with. It's like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, have my respect. It wasn't like I left going that guy sucks.

I'm just like, yep, he's mad. But that's okay. He's really mad about a side of potatoes, but I deserve it. Yeah, I wish I remember what it was. I can't even remember, but yeah, he was a fiery guy. Yeah, I have a really passionate friend here in Albuquerque at the shop, is your Rivera. He's often voted, shout out to his shout out. I'll never hear this, but I hope he does.

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And he's got it. He's... I respect him because he sought out the skills of his craft. I recommend that for any young person that listening, wondering like, what kind of creator go into. If you're into food and you think you can keep your ego in check, and you wanna learn some resilience and an incredible skill set

that AI is certainly not going to take over anytime soon. Oh yeah. Do that. How human is that? Like, you know, find the best restaurant you can say, I will just wash the dishes until you give me something else to do and I'm here to learn. I think that that would be a remarkable and super interesting adventure to go on. I wish I had done that.

Even if you don't, you know, they've been plenty of years of my life that I was just doing this job, that job, this job. I could have carved out a bit of time and just said, right, I'm just doing, you know, good. Even if you don't make it your career, if you work there five years, you'll know how to be safe in the kitchen. You'll know how to use knives, sharpen knives. You'll know how to make a stew, you know how to sear meat,

you'll know how to start a roux, you know how to make a broth. That stuff is human nature. We're all connected by food. It's cross-cultural. It's universal language, like math. And it's always impressive. And you get laid. Lately.

Like, you'll get laid. Definitely a big part of it If you can just cook like an amazing dish at a Noah and just you know Really just the plates and the parrot with a wine and it's just all the flavors blow light like it Legendary legendary now people are gonna yell at you, you know You're gonna be treated like shit. There's no HR department to complain to you will get me ruffer asked if you're got it If you're a cute guy with a nice touch like you were You're gonna pay you're gonna pay but at the end of the day, you know, you're gonna have that long skill set and And also you'll be you'll be resilient too. You'll be tough

Like that's preparing you for the real world in a big way I'm into it. This makes me want to live. Let's start small. Let's do a food truck. Panket. It'd be day one. And the chef is just like, hey, who the hell am I going to wave this beans on toast? And I'm like, you know what? Fuck this job. I don't need to put up with this. I have like no resilience. We think in this other room have the cry Beans are beans are hard to toast the soggy I might go even an egg blew up. I'm like, ah I'm in the back just drinking all the shit. I'm like, ah, now. I'm just, I'm in the back just drinking all the

sharing out of like this guy. This guy sucks. How do you get any? He's got the palette of a hip-hop. There's a whole watermelons back there. So, but they's been over a hundred, you said, for that show. That's amazing. It's incredible. Imagine that. And his show, was it just like, get there, cook something, eat something.

His show was get there, negotiate the politics, deal with the people that might not like you or do like you get involved with a family or a restaurant eat, talk about the food, even hunting. He even hunted there. Amazing. I think he was just so interesting, so beautifully curious and such a Like people person and and down for like whatever the adventure was that that that's a universal language People love that anywhere on the globe. They love someone that's like I'm in it Let's go what we got throw the adventure at me because people are testing with things too

They'd be like all right try this or if you're gonna eat this lizard asshole, and he's like, I'm in Just does it Like they love them. Yeah, he's all the good and people and he it became more than I'm not this is it became more than a eating show in a culinary experience. It was a travel show And it was a human experience show. And then ultimately that's what food is. Yeah it was a show on cultures almost because food represents so much about the people and that's what

he drew together. It's like the universal language of all of us. It's like even if we hate or dislike a certain race or culture or whatever, which we shouldn't, we should all be cool and chill about that. But if there's one thing that can like kind of bring us all together, potentially it's food, you know, food from everywhere. Exactly. And also dislike of the Dutch. eventually it's food, you know, food from everywhere. Exactly. And also dislike of the Dutch. Well, come on. Those windmills, let's just look at it.

Get out of here, wouldn't shoes? Get out of your mind. How do your mind, didn't shoes? What? Can't play basketball. It's a lot of flip it around. Come on.

Do you think they would just really bad at inventing shoes or they were really good wouldn't at Wanting each other with their shoes because I feel like that's where the advantages like If you're like, hey, I don't like your women. You just shit on whether you wouldn't shoe That's like if you could pop Pop one of those off and start walking somebody with it. Yeah, okay You can't you can't sprint fast. It's sneaker and would you stick around? There's no gift It's like the only security systems they have in Dutch houses are like just wooden Platforms around their home you start hearing some Clipy Clips and you're like

One guy figures out just a word socks and just basically breaks into all of the banks, all of the big homes. It's like, this was easy. This country is easy. Bless it. So good. So good. Well, they went over a few crazy stories that he got into.

The elephant story seemed a bit nuts. Almost got trampled there. There were some sketchy moments navigating different cultures and places. They got kind of stuck in a war in Israel, I think. Well, some bombing. He saw some dangerous things. Yeah. Pretty, pretty wild. Moved on a few different foods that are controversial.

Fragral. Did I say that right? Fragrant. Fragrant. Yeah. Have you ever, have you ever had a goose liver pate? Yes. And it's delicious. Yeah.

Is it? It's kind of like, like, with dineless caviar and like, potted meat. It's salty. Okay. I don't care for it. I have a pet. Oh, it sounds like it might go good with a nice savory. That is true. I've always said that about you. I like the hot ramen with an egg in it, and that's about it. Yeah. I feel like you would just like the kind of like make a stew out of everything on a fire. I don't, that's... You're a lot of, a lot of long, boiling, bits of things, adding herbs and roots and parts of animals.

So the poetry of food is probably lost upon a blockhead like me. I want to aspire to the finer things, but I'll just have a bit of a roast beef with a logger, please. That's me. Okay, fair enough Yeah, you just keeping yourself going a little thinkative energy you more like that show alone like this These frog eyeballs are tasty, aren't they no, but they'll give me going the kidney alive meaver tail. Yeah kind of

Just getting on with it get on with it mostly You got to respect that to the you got to respect that too They they did talk a little bit about the meat only diets and it was interesting on this one to hear Joe Only the real suspicious about it. He was like Yeah, yeah, he was like, nah, you got vegetables. You can't just eat me. You had diver ticulitis, like Brock Lesnar and blah, blah. And I think it speaks to the open mindedness of Rogen.

He's not like locked into any one way of thinking. Obviously, through the years, he's talked with Dr. Ronda Patrick about keto diets and then other people have come in and discussed Carnival and he's tried it and it works well and he's learned more about it and But it was interesting to kind of hear him Discuss it in that way at that time. I mean to be fair if I had heard this podcast I would have thought the same thing. Like, it took me a long while to believe that, you know,

a red, mostly red meat only diet with maybe some eggs and cheeses is healthy or could be, you know, we would have been so trained in our lives to not think that was good for you. That untraining that takes some time. And it was called a hero, but Bordane wasn't having it. He was like, no, it's fine. You can get that. He goes, also you can get divert to your layers from fucking cucumbers. It's like, it's not, it's not the meat. It's just like bits of stuff that gets stuck. Yeah, I think that's what you're talking about.

That particular thing involves genetics, genetics, and hydration. And yeah, it's just not as simple as we thought, right? And, you know, he references like the anywhere cultures that are primarily just fats You know just seal fat and they they are great and great. He also healthy Like they're even it's not unusually healthy Compared to get vitamin D from meat is that correct? No? I think I don't know. Well, you know what? I don't think it's not sunny up there. I mean, if you've got a lot of reflection from the snow, it's like people get like snow blindness. That's true. I'm pretty sure you can get like burnt. Yeah. In snowy places that the, I mean, there's a lot of reflect-

Those animal cultures- Might be struggling in two-back. Because they kind of inuits a little bit tan too. They're animals. They are like pale. Like Asian descent. Yeah, they're Asian. And also, they are genetically similar to Navajo's here,

Athabascans in New Mexico. Athabascan is the language group, Athabascan, and then the language group denotes their genetic affiliation with those tribes of the frozen north. So they're all kind of related, and they're all very tan. They're born with a lot of melanin. Yeah. Yeah, and you would think that they would only keep that up there. If they were still, you know, needing to protect themselves from a lot of UVs. Bouncing around. I've seen those hands he talked about the hands that that are

They don't get they have they are less susceptible to frostbite because they have increased blood flow with their hands and their extremities That's a yeah, they're amazing their fingers are literally an inch wide They are look it down your look down your finger really about a half inch There's our doubly wide Yep Sasha's finger they've sausage hands You need that in the whole world you need that also when you got to keep your gal happy Poppula

Popular that's who your entire like hinge date profile. Inch thing is. What else do you need to know? Yeah, it's white. Yeah, not long. Yeah, I guess you'd have to specify that. Be confusing. They're like, I think he has tiny hands. I'm not I'm not abdating him. He's incredible. I wish I wish Anthony could have visited all the tribes of the Arctic Circle because there were some that just ate seals like he mentions and there's some that just ate whales He didn't mention that and there are some that ate walrus and there's some that it just ate reindeer and Then they had this whole each of them had a whole different way of eating a whole different way of getting their nutrients Yeah, no shit. I would have thought whales would be like it I didn't think you could just live on a whale. Oh, yeah, like it would be one of those type of Metes that you know has a lot of the mercury, that bio magnification, I think they call it,

which is where certain species, like shark, for example, I don't think anyone can just live on shark because they have high method. And that is because of humanity humanity and And I and the and the and the pro and the product of humanity But the before all this that is for all before the industrialization of the world You can you could have And there was a story okay about somebody walking across this bay on the back of Wales. Wales were so prevalent that there's almost too many Wales. Now we have no idea where they are, but in the old days you couldn't look across a body of water without seeing a spout of seagull in the air due to a whale blow.

Right. But do you know that a lot of whale numbers have really come back? Like in the 80s, it was green piece where big advocates for saving whales. My dad was big into that. We used to do like, yeah, he was. He is still is. We used to do charity, yeah, he was. He is still us.

We used to do charity walks, you know, where we'd like raise money and I'd have like a form. I was like 10 years old and like, people could sponsor me and we'd do it. It was like just something he was really into. I was 10 dude. I was just doing what my dad was doing.

I like that. But it was still nice. And many of the numbers had just been so wiped out that it looked like certain species were going to be gone. These numbers got down to very low, and many of them have come back to strong, you know, that's the kind of speech you don't wanna knock out. It's like, come on. They're the biggest animals on the planet. They're pretty fucking cool, and they're smart.

Do we just say not eat those guys? Let's just like skip them. Don't eat them. Eat others stuff to eat. Beans on toes, cucumber classes. There's loads of beans on toes. Eat him. Eat all this stuff to eat. Beans on toes, cucumber slices. There's loads of beans on toes. Eat that. It's pretty terrible, but try it. Anyway, Anthony, legend.

We miss him. He was a comedian there at the end. Yeah, he was a stand-up comic at the end. Or last few years of his life, he was selling out town halls selling out of Venus not a Venus maybe but He was a standup comic Oh, yeah, kind of I mean just an amazing story teller and You know and got quite heavily into Jiu-Jitsu too. It's a shame that his girlfriend was... I don't know. I don't want to...

We don't really know what did it. Sounds like she was... To be honest. We don't know what did it. To be honest. But it's important to keep your friends close. Hug them tightly. Say what's going on about us.

Love you buddy. Yeah, tell me you love them. Tell me you love them. Alright. Awesome. I really enjoyed this him. All right, awesome. I Really enjoyed this one. It was good. We're probably gonna do more of these like recap like I think maybe we call them the classic Rogan series go back and check some Some great great ones out. Yeah, some flashbacks. We're gonna explore them and hopefully you liked it and

Otherwise, we will speak to all of you guys next week. Good night. Thanks a lot.