Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 369 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Bobby Lee Et al.

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

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Yeah, Adam, good to see you, brother. Yep, it's good to see you. Obviously the viewers don't get to see us. We don't do that wacky video podcasting nonsense. Maybe one day. Private guys, guys. Private guys. We'll have to wear those funny masks

they used to wear in the middle ages. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Some eyes wide shut ones. Might as well. I don't, I don't see why not. Keep our anonymity. Good word. All right. Who we got this week? We got Bobby Lee. We have Diana Walsh, Pesulka, sounds Polish. And then Mariana Vanzehla, she's a brave lady, wild. Is she South African? She's good looking too. I don't know what her accent is actually. Shoot McGoo, somebody should look that up.

Let's look it up. So let's start out with Bobby. Now Bobby Lee, legend, OG, comedian, been around since the mad TV days. Making fun of, I don't know, it was it, who is every Asian character? Who's Kim Jong-il's dad? Who is the other Kim Jong? Son? No, wait. He just, he died not too long ago. We should know his name. Yeah. Whoever he was in the nineties here. Bobby used to make fun of him a lot in skits and they were great.

But what's interesting is as Bobby has got bigger in the podcast space and just with comedy because of that, all the people he knows and he goes on the podcast for have always just kind of, there's always been this talk about why isn't Bobby going on Rogan? And Bobby talked about it a lot. Like I don't know how to get on there, what's going on. Joe has said numerous times like, I'd have him whenever.

So they kind of got that out of the way early. He's like, oh, I can just text you and ask. And Joe's like, yeah, duh. I don't have a scheduling guy. He's been friends for like 25 years. Uh-huh. I've been friends forever, but it just kind of, it just says something about like how sweet Bobby is.

Like he doesn't, you know, he doesn't presume anything. He definitely doesn't have that kind of ego, you know? Oh, he's such a big shot. He should go on there. He's just, I think he's always really looked up to Rogan as well. So he just kind of has that dynamic. And it was great to have him on.

He was as fun as I knew he would be. He was hilarious. Yeah, I hope they do it more. I thought the chemistry between them two podcasting was actually brilliant. Many of the comedians that have spoken to Joe and do podcasts with him on the regular, I think I would tune in for Bobby's every time.

Theo's like that for me. Anytime Theo's on Rogan, I've gotta listen to it. They just- It's not a show at all. No. No, and there's often just some ridiculous gold that comes out of it, I mean, for real. Bobby was talking early on about

kind of falling off the wagon. I guess he's been on and off sober. And he was smoking a lot of cigarettes too, was like coughing up blood. I don't think it's unfair to say, he does seem like a pretty unhealthy guy all around. Yeah, physically. I'm drinking that much.

I think the blood is from the drinking. He said when he, you know, when someone says, I'm an addict, I think, okay, cocaine, meth, I think some pretty serious stuff. He's weed and alcohol, which and you can take those to excess for sure. I think he, he took the alcohol way over the limit. Yeah, 24 hours a day when he's drinking. I've known some people that got so Alcoholic-y that they were they were coughing up some blood vomiting some blood

one of them I knew ended up passing away as many years ago now, but I knew him closely and Yeah, he literally couldn't go to bed without drinking like you know a Freakin two-liter thing of some booze that he bought you know a freaking two liter thing of some booze that he bought and he was only a small guy and and you know, it's it's an unfair addiction in some ways because Like obviously some people are more susceptible to being addicted to it and I do think that's relative I don't think we all have the same level of addiction with each type of drug I mean imagine if there was a switch where all of a sudden you were just twice as addicted to potentially to alcohol as you are now.

Imagine how much harder that would be for you. Like it could get to a point where you're like, I can't even touch it because I can't stop, that type of thing. And my friend was definitely that way. And what was also kind of ironic about the whole situation is he had the worst hangovers always.

The worst. It's like, what a- Not even one of those guys that can just get up and get on with it. Just powers through and, you know, he just, ah, that's it. That's a nasty trap to be in for sure. And he was definitely stuck in there. But it sounds like Bobby's out the other side now. That's a good thing.

Good thing. Yep, we want that. We approve. He's so sweet. He is. He really is. I mean, he's and he's so honest to even talking about that time he was detoxing from pills on mad TV and he shit himself. And the wardrobe had to come wipe him up. Yeah, I mean he's just so open. It's like he has no shame It's and I don't even feel like he's pandering for the joke either He's just like this happened this happened to me. Is that happening you like he has no concerns about about that thing He's he errs it all I've listened to his Tiger belly podcast back when he had his wife or his ex wife on there.

And are they still doing that together? No, no. Yeah. And what's her name like, MacKayla or something? I don't know. There's some wacky stuff with that, bud, but I think she's doing a different podcast now. I don't watch a lot of the controversy videos around YouTubers online I just think that that's it's interesting if you're a fan of it all but it's a bit silly and it's like who's doing this these Videos anyway, it's like alright guys. They clip it for the for the sound bite. Yeah, right It's like the TMZ. They're all drumming up conspiracies about Brendan Schaub all the time He's a real drumming up conspiracies about Brandon Sharpe all the time.

Kind of hilarious, but he's a big target. He really is. He's easy to pick on for sure. Bobby, I used to see around the comedy store a lot when I was over that. He was always brilliant, always brilliant and his set. It's his set is so polished. He's had it a long time. Like, you know, that's part of it. He hasn't put out a special with it, but it's, it's so polished. He's had it a long time. Like, you know, that's part of it. He hasn't put out a special with it, but it's so crisp.

He has a lot of fun on stage. He's very playful, like super kind of like, you can tell just relaxed just in the moment, played with a crowd a lot, which is so fun. And he hung out at the front bar outside often. Like, he didn't hide away in the back. I mean, he would get out, chat with people. You know, I've had the chance to speak to him a couple of times. And he will bust your balls immediately. Any chance you got, he stood next to me once and didn't like how tall I was.

And he was just, he's just ripping me a new one. It was brilliant. He's so fast, I couldn't think of anything. And then I was like, oh, shit. I can't say anything to Bobby. Bobby. Fuck. And then you do say something he might feel bad, then you'd feel bad, and then where'd that go from there? No, he would just come up with something better

and just rip me again. I mean, he's a great guy, but he's exactly what you see. You know, whenever you see this part, he, that was how he always had like a goofy T-shirt on, walked around with his little pot belly and just kind of always looked like in a good mood. Great dude, man. It was great to see him together. Legend.

Legend. Get old Bobby that really made my week to have him on, honestly. Trying to get Joe into Star Trek, I felt was an unusual angle. He was like, promise me you'll watch that. Joe's like, I got shit to do. Okay, I'm busy. I'm not committed. If Joe commits to something, he's going to do it. Right. So he's not big in over committing, which is, which is reasonable. And I actually have a lot of time in my hands this week. So I watched that episode. It was pretty good.

It was all right. But I, and I kind of like, I liked the next generation. I was a fan of it. I thought I'd saw more. I hadn't seen this one. And it was, it was all right. I queued it up and I was about, of it. I thought I'd saw more. I hadn't seen this one and it was it was alright I queued it up and I was about I put on the first few seconds and you know, it's one of those whether not in space so

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I've always not been a fan of those ones. I want the ones where they're in space battling Klingons, kissing green chicks. But the story arc was cool because it was in a sense more like a kind of like a Twilight Zone than a Star Trek because he was like zapped in by this beam. And then he like Like basically lived a different life for a long time. That wasn't even real So it's a kind of like simulation theory type stuff going on that and that was that was what kind of made it interesting

But man, he was he was convinced that it's the greatest thing of all time And he could get rogan into Star Trek that way. Nice try, Bobby. Nice try. We'll see. I liked hearing Rogan giving Bobby some kind of life advice. I feel like Joe always plays that role with people and especially other comedians.

You know, he didn't hit him hard with like, hey, you should work out and get real healthy and do Jiu-Jitsu. I think that's probably a big push with Bobby, but it was nice to hear him like, or Bobby being open to listening about, hey, how could I improve my writing? Or like, you know what I should do is get up an hour each day and write a little bit.

And Joe kind of gave his process on that. And I just feel like since Bobby got out of the relationship that he was in for a long time, and his standup is really picking up now because he's so well known from the podcast that he's got this audience. And just a new fire under him. He's making some good money.

I don't know what were your thoughts? It sounded like there was a good chance he's going to move to Austin, but it's hard to say. I, he's got his shell. He likes, he's got a shell that he's got, it's area of comfortability. And that's my impression is what he, he, he probably won't, he's got a shell that he's got, it's area of comfortability. And that's my impression is what he, he probably won't because he's real comfortable. Yeah.

Comfortability I think is his drug of choice. It might be true, but I think that he really does miss the energy and the environment of what the comedy store used to be and they haven't been able to replicate that yet. And for these guys, that might be a drug that's too addictive to say no to like as Rogan keeps making the comedy mothership that place. I mean, it looks like Theo is going to be out there soon. I mean, basically what Rogan has done is he's taken all the best elements of the comedy store, none of the people he didn't really care

for that much, and got everyone that he loved chilling and hanging out with over at his place. So it's gonna be hard for those guys that enjoyed it there to say no to it. He should go. It's probably the right choice for him. Yeah. And I didn't know that, and Paulie Shore is thinking about it too. And I just watched a thing on Sam Kinnison last night. Mm-hmm. Because I didn't know all about him that I needed to.

It was a great YouTube documentary. And I didn't know Paulie Shore was the son of Mitzi. Yeah. The lady that made the whole scene over there. Dude, it's really cool. Like Polly grew up there. I did not know that. And this is a big part of Polly's story.

And you know, there's always just been, I don't want to say chip on his shoulder, but you know, he was just in that world of LA and these famous comedians and being around them, then he gets into the movies and his mom wouldn't give him much stage time, was just always like, you're not ready, you're not funny, you're not ready. And put a lot of pressure on him. If he was to get up there, it had to be because he was good. She put pressure on everyone, but a lot of times that turned you into gold.

And I don't know, it's part of why he's just like wacky upbringing is what makes a Polly sure. And recently, like Joe has been saying, is like Polly is really loosening up. He's relaxing. He's coming into his own and like really being funny and having a good time. Like I think Paulie always feels a lot of pressure when he's at the comedy store to be good. The scene there didn't seem like it. There's a piece of it that is, you gotta have a shell

to work around all those Hollywood types because it seems like they act away that doesn't reflect how they actually are. They want to be cool and chill, but in reality they want to be seen as cool and they don't want to be seen with anybody who's not cool. And if you're not part of the cultural elite in some way, they're... Then they won't give you the time of day. Texas is a bit different. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's very much like the LA kind of acting world environment, and it always has been, and it still will be. The comedy store was slightly isolated from that. But you know, when Paulie was growing up, I mean, he was there in the 80s and the 90s when it was more cutthroat at the store. So he was kind of learning that environment in a different way. Obviously in the 2000s, 2010 is where it was like, in a lot of ways, more recently, peaking. And that was when Rogan was there, 4-4, so like a lot of the newer comedians now that are big.

It was a more friendly environment because that was like the podcast world. They were encouraging, supporting each other. And I don't know if Polly fully embraced that. You know, obviously I'm speaking out of turn, but this is like kind of the feel that I got. I wonder how much she had to deal with the whole like, oh, you want the part? Why don't you meet me in my trailer kind of thing? I wonder if Polly had some of that with some of those big time producers,

the sexual unsafe nature of all that stuff. Okay, who knows. I mean, we, you know, that shit was just so rampant and so fucked up. And probably still to some degree happening, you know, it's just- There are gatekeepers. Bobby did mention that there's gatekeepers. Yeah, they're probably just more subtle now. They're more careful. They're having you sign, you know, an NDR or whatever it's called. And in the in the A and the A. That's it. Agreement, non-disclosure agreement.

Or just being far more careful with it. But there's just going to be creeps always. Like just because you put more rigorous standards in the direction of creeps, it's like those creeps like Power, they're gonna go to Power jobs and then they're gonna find their own clever way to get what they want. It's kind of a gross world like that in the Hollywood-y. Let's finish up with halls of power

Yeah It's always the it's always the power dude. I mean, what do they say corrupts always corrupts? Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree Well, anyway, probably should move to Austin. That's my that's my feel. Let's let's just pack that whole deck over there. I think you'd have a great time. You could be podcasting with everyone.

Obviously, Santino needs to get out there. Joe thinks that he's too much of a nerd for acting, wants to do it too much. So he won't move. But, you know, he can still get acting jobs and fly back or have two homes and do it that way. I mean. He's got the money. Yeah, these guys got some money.

They got some money, but I loved it. I wanna see Bobby back on. I wanna see him on more and looking forward to it. Can't wait. And I guess he's got a movie coming out. Oh yeah, well, he only has a small part in it. He talked about it for a minute. But yeah, he's often popping up in shows, dude.

He's in quite a lot. Yeah, he likes to act. He represents the Asians well. They need him. He's hilarious in The Dictator with Sasha Baron Cohen. Oh, he didn't remember him. in The Dictator with Sasha Baron Cohen. He plays the Chinese representative and it's... Oh brilliant. It's...

I gotta go back and check that out. Check it out, I recommend The Dictator, it's pretty funny. It's a cute movie. All right, let's jump over to Diana Walsh Posulka. This podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. I recently got married and am days away from having my first child, so working on my relationship and communication with my wife is very important and it's going to be vital for raising a

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somehow saw like a correlation between the two, which I think is fascinating. I'm like, ah, what an interesting direction to take. You would have thought that, you know, she'd be mentioning that at the university and somebody just steps in and goes, nah, one or the other. What's going on here? But I guess really those two things

are just not that controversial, right? It would probably be more controversial as she came out and was like, I'm not really that woke. They're like, oh, now you've crossed the line. If you were talking UFOs and religion, we're into it, but. Our aliens, non-binary anyway, seems like kind of a shoe in for this new ideology. That's a good point.

They probably are pretty woke. They're very smooth down there. They're very smooth. Yeah, like almost nobody has been abducted by aliens and drawn an alien with a gin almost hog. Not even just one guy. Never. No.

Whenever they're getting probed with like some device, it's never with a good old fashioned organic hog. Yeah. It would be kind of ironic if like there was an abductee that drew it that way. That was his total recall of the event and he was the only one telling the truth. Just dismissed immediately because he just drew a giant hog. All I'm saying is be open to the idea. Be open to it. You never know.

You might have one. You never know. So basically she was pulling on the idea, well let's talk a little bit about Diana first. She's spoken an interesting way, almost a little kind of autistic-y sounding. I don't want to throw that on her. It's not really fair, but she was very,

very serious. And- Professor-y. Very professor-y, but also kind of like slightly robotic-y sounding as well. And a lot of passion in there, gotta love that. But was noticing that with these like religious texts, because she studied a lot of kind of ancient religious texts, she was seeing parallels between stories of more modern abductions and UFO abduction cases. And that's kind of fascinating to pull together, I think.

And I wonder what that means. I mean, is it that, you know, what's being said there? Like is religion coming from UFO abductions and UFO encounters? I mean, they would look like gods. Or angels. UFO encounters, I mean they would look like gods Yeah, or angels I liked the

The I think was towards the middle To the end maybe of the their podcast where Joe is talking about the pineal gland Yeah, where DMT comes from and then all the all the pineal imagery in the Catholic Church All the pine cones and whatnot. Yeah. Penial, meaning pine, pineal gland, we have like a pine cone shaped gland in our brain where the DMT is made. So if they realize that that is where the DMT comes from. And when you are on DMT, you see all these god-like geometrically shaped critters, you

know, big-eyed individuals, you know, that are cosmically associated. And that kind of brings it right back around to the god thing, and the alien abduction thing. And it's that night when we're making DMT in our bodies. So if we make DMT in our bodies, we see these God-like images, and there's kind of some sameness to everybody's story in regards to what they see. Maybe it's because they're producing more DMT

at that moment or how? That definitely seems like a lot we don't know about this. And there seems to be connections within religion that are kind of downplayed. They're not allowed to be made, you know, like the role of maybe psilocybin in the mushrooms and that whole kind of area of study. And what psychedelics meant to the early religion. I mean, look, the Catholic church has been gathering up all the ancient scrolls and information and they've been powerful for a long time. They still are now.

They had way more power in a sense back in the day. I mean, hundreds of years ago, nobody can mess with them. If they wanted something- They were the most powerful entity. They got it, right? They had a lot of scientists, a lot of researchers, a lot of ability to like, gather up all the ancient texts. So who knows what they have in their vaults. I bet they have things that blow

the minds of people today that have access to it. And they're like, we can't let this out. Look at what this one says. Yeah, she had access to the, yes, the Vatican's Skylab, you know, Astronomy Laboratory. Right. And they had a lot of, they put a lot of texts together for them to look at.

She had free reign, but she doesn't have free reign to the basement. Yeah. She does not have free reign to all those controversial, troublesome texts. Dude, they might have a UFO down there that they've been hiding. Have you seen those ancient? Oh, not ancient, but have you seen those medieval drawings where there are people in UFOs in the skies? Yeah, yeah. In the paintings. Yeah, there's like two or three really famous ones. And if you look at those from like an outsider view, those are astronauts.

Those are, and even in Ezekiel, they describe the angels, and it sounds like a UFO talking to somebody. Right, yeah, it's like they just decided to not, like, I don't know. They just were like, this, this, they just pass it off as nothing. They're just like, oh, that's just part of the picture. That's an angel.

And it's like, it 100% looks like a flying saucer. What are you talking about? It's aberrant data. And as humans, we take the data we can make sense of and we like that and all the data we can't make sense of, we call it aberrant and that does not get apart, included in our equations. What's easy to gaslight people, honestly.

You know, unless you're under real cross examination, it's easy to gaslight people, you know? Like you can do it with anyone. Like you've had it before, your friend shows up to your house like an hour and a half late and you just show them on Instagram, down at the pub, down at the bar, hanging out with some of your other friends

that maybe you're having a falling out with so you didn't wanna mention it. And you're just like, where were you, dude? Oh, it's just at home, I was late, I had to run an errand. And then you're like dude I saw you at that place and then they just they lay down some gas lighting for a few minutes and you can't even be bothered That's all the Catholic churches have to do Exactly. It's easier to just say. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. What am I thinking? You're right? I'm crazy

but there's but there's a bit of a clue there though I think because it looks so much like UFOs, that some of the people there that you, I imagine people have had access to talk to, would ask them. And if there wasn't like an effort to keep it quiet, a few of those priests would be like, yeah, that is weird.

That does look a lot like a UFO. If they weren't hiding it, they would just say, oh, it's probably not, obviously, because I don't believe in aliens, but that looks a lot like that. Never happens. It's- Let's interview some priests, let's find out.

Let's call them up. The, this podcast and the next one is just a lot of evidence that this world is not boring. We have a lot to do here. It's, it's fun out there. It's crazy. If you're bored, you're not looking around enough. That, that is true. Talking about that, Joe mentioned lucid dreaming a little bit and how even though it sounds fascinating, he has had no interest in delving into what that is.

And I wanted to ask, have you ever had a lucid dream? Like access that world? I've had some really fun dreams. I've had some flying dreams pretty often. It's pretty good. But lucid like where I'm, you know, I think I need a hot air balloon in this dream and then it just happens No, what basically Lucid is when you realize for sure something happens and you realize you are dreaming and

it does something in the dream to where it Kind of snaps you into this very strangely conscious place of snaps you into this very strangely conscious place to where you're not just blindly following whatever the narrative is, like we off the all pretty much always do with dreams. You know, no matter how weird they are, you're like, oh yeah, I guess I can ride a giant rabbit to work today.

And you're just doing your thing. You're more concerned about being late for work than you are like how you got there or the pigs can drive buses. It's just like things happen. But when you get lucid, it's very clear to you that you're dreaming. You're not in your regular place. And, you know, and then there is an element that follows of control of

manipulation of your environment. Um, I think I've had the second part of that before I've had the first part of that. When I do realize that I'm dreaming, it's generally like Joe said, I wake up. Yeah, and that's common with it too. That's pretty common when people fly in a lucid dream, they wake themselves up. So there's certain techniques to kind of keep yourself in that state. There's a really interesting book I had, and I think it's just called The Power of Lucid Dreaming,

and it's from written by, I believe it's a Stanford professor, I forget his name, but he was the first person to get a PhD in lucid dreaming. So there was a science department and like a sleep specialist studies department that kind of designed the PhD around his work and then he would do studies on people that experienced this basically wrote a book to help you become lucid and by reading

it and it's quite a long book it's pretty thick but they had all these different techniques in there and you actually can train yourself. I don't know if it works for everyone in the book, they claim it's a very high rate of people that practice this, that become able to lose a dream. And for me, I had almost zero dream recall. I still kind of do. I very, very rarely remember my dreams. So we're not actually good candidates. People that are like that are not great candidates, but you can do things to even get better at that, like journaling in the morning,

and eventually you just start kicking your memory into gear to like be able to write them down. It's a very strange event that takes place. And to think that's in all of us, the capacity of all of us to do every night is Is odd very strange. It must have something to do with our Chemical composition of course, so maybe I've noticed my best most vivid dreams are in a period of detoxing from

Cannabis and alcohol. So if I'm off those two fun ones, maybe for a couple of days, my dreams become credible. I've heard that from people that quit weed or do like a sober October, they get very vivid dreams, especially if you're a virtual smoker. And on that note, I like them. I like those dreams, but I have some very close friends, one in particular that has his demons awakened when he's streaming. He lives a very nice life

and the loving family, but when he goes to to sleep he would rather not dream because it is all the bad things. Oh wow. For me it's all the good things. I'm having the best time in my dreams. So I wouldn't trade him for the world. Some people don't want to go to sleep. Yeah, yeah I can believe that that is very true. The few that I ever remember, they're always just weird. I don't feel any sort of way in them. I'm not usually very scared. I've had scary dreams when I was a kid. I'm not usually very scared.

I'm just kind of like doing some things that are like not even that interesting, but very strange events are going on around me. And I always feel a little disappointed in the morning that I didn't realize it was a dream. I'm just like, how did I not, when that person had like two heads or whatever, or like people would,

I had this one one time where people could walk off of these buildings and they would just change the gravity. Instead of walking on the top, you just walk on the side. And it was completely normal. I didn't question a thing. I was more concerned about where I was going. And I'm like, am I that clueless in regular life? Like I'm just not paying attention to what's going on.

It's kind of how it makes me feel. But there we go. Be careful out there. That's lucid dreaming. What about those top secret meetings she went to where they blindfolded her and drove her out to the desert and they found all those alloy metals that they couldn't identify. I never know what to do with those stories. You know what we got to sort of take it for what you know look at her motivations look at her data take the story at face value

Let's look at her motivations, look at her data, take the story at face value, and there you go. There's multiple instances of people finding this, of these metals in New Mexico and across the world. There are some, so if you look at her work, juxtaposed against other people's work in the same area, you could say this is probably, it happened, and they maybe have found some meta-metamaterials. But surely if somebody had a sheet of metal, like it always sounds like little scraps,

like tiny little beads of stuff. But okay, you've got a one foot by one foot piece of some alloy. And there we go. You just take that to some, like the top metallology scientists in the world and each one of them gets to test it. And then you just get the info back and they're like, yeah, nobody on this earth made this. Do we have that yet? I think that's probably included in her research. We'll have to get her book. All right. I'm into it. I think we'll come back to that one.

I did like the term pencils up because again, we're always talking about how can you keep the conspiracy of aliens quiet? It's like too big of a one over too long of a time. Someone's gonna come out. Really, we have like Bob Lazar, maybe a couple of other people. Bob's kind of like one of the more credible people

that worked on, you know, kind of reverse engineering this stuff. But it's like, surely more documents would come out. Edward Snowden even, one of the more disappointing things he ever said was when he had access to all that information, he was like, one thing I did not ever see traces of was talk about aliens or UFOs. So the term pencils up, she's saying is more an oral tradition. So they just didn't write anything

down. This is how they orchestrated those meetings since day one. Now you would wonder how that would even be possible with advanced technology. Like if you're trying to reverse engineer shit, you gotta be writing some stuff down. You can't just be telling people about it. But it does add to the case of why it's hard for this to be more exposed. There's no proof, right?

It's just stories. I guess if you're wondering how that can be kept secret in writing, our government has been known to kill people. It has been known to ruin lives. It has been known to put drugs on people. It gas lights the country and it ruins individuals to be sure. So that's one way we could keep it quiet. Another way is not write it down. And also there's, I don't trust our government. They have the ability and the motivation to keep this stuff secret.

They're good at it. They are. They are good at that. They're just good at that stuff. Look at the Druids. We're only alive, you know, I guess up until, what is his name? Julius Caesar, when conquered England, right? Right. And we, and the Druids were the ruling party, the monastic ruling class.

And we have no idea what they worshiped, how they worshiped, what they did, their technology, their stories were all oral as well. Right. Did they build the Stonehenge? That maybe. Yeah, the Stonehenge isn't all that old. So yeah, they probably did build that Stonehenge.

That's just one of thousands of hinges around England and Scotland. That is true. It's an impressive one. But again, we don't know how they did it. So yeah, that's the problem with all raw traditions. Write it down. Help us out. And even now we can write it down, they're just changing the narrative.

So who even knows how useful that is, honestly. Also you write it down and you put it in a clay pot and you put it in a cave in the Dead Sea and Only by accident does some little it Muscle and kid find it. That's it and then the Vatican steals it and the Vatican steals it and Hides the information because it's problematic. Yeah It was like actually there's one of those scrolls that talks about Jesus as a space traveler. Ooh, pretty good.

Yeah, I don't remember. I think it's not the Doubting Thomas scroll, but there is a scroll where Jesus is a traveler from a distant land. And it's one of my favorite authors, Christopher Hitchens, talks about that. Yeah, he's the best. Well, we may never know, but keep exploring. Keep asking these questions. The truth is out there. I like it. God, the X-Files was a good show.

All right, I guess they filmed one of one of the episodes. If you might, she was asked, do you think it looks familiar out here? And she says, yeah, kind of. And and then she was let know that they filmed an episode of X-Files on that site. She was asked, do you think it looks familiar out here? And she says, yeah, kinda. And then she was let know that they filmed an episode of X-Files on that site. Oh, genius. Where those metals are found.

Well, you know the people that made that show were big fans into it. And, you know, probably as more UFO nerds love that show, they were probably sending the directors and people that wrote episodes, all sorts of stories that they could go into. That was a brilliant show. One of my favorites. Oh, Scully, what a hottie.

She was... that changed my opinion about Redheads, now I'm hooked. All right, let's jump over to Mariana Vanzella. Wow, bless this lady and everything she does for journalism. No fear in this one, no fear. I couldn't imagine doing some of the investigative journalism that she's done. It just sounds so dangerous. I remember watching traffic when she went into the jungle with the people that made the cocaine and

You know even watching the show. I was just like at any minute. They could be like, you know what? This is probably a bad idea. She's filming all this. She would just like cut her head off and Obviously doesn't happen Maybe she's just like really good when she's in front of these people. And I mean, she's done it so many times now in front of these dangerous people. But there's a reason that world isn't out there. And they don't want it. That story told or you wouldn't imagine they would. Oh, it was just 20 years ago or that they those cartels those folks were just killing everybody. They were the ruling the ruling party in Colombia. And I'm sure they still rule

Colombia with money. They're probably just the their kids are now all the parliamentary positions. No wonder why that's places a little rough around the edges. It's a shame really. But what I liked about, she has to have insiders, people with inside information, right? Yeah, you gotta have someone that can give you kind of like a foot in the door, and then give you a bit of credibility. I think a big part of her credibility now seems that, you know, she's investigated so many of these types of stories that ultimately it's not like leading to all of these people's arrests and it's not shutting down all these operations.

So if anything, that's kind of a selling point. It's like, you know, let people know in the world kind of what you're up to. You don't have to put your name on this, but how does all this work? I mean, there's an incredible interest out there and people like to tell their story too, even criminals. Oh yeah, and maybe even more so.

They do it for notoriety many times. And how else do you get notoriety? You tell your story. 100%. She's actually Portuguese. Oh, bless her. Yeah, she's Portuguese. And she's one of the rare cute ones. That's not true to say. I bet there's a lot of hotties in Portugal. Just I'm having, I'm having, I'm on one over here. Oh, you're on one. You're on one. I might be going there for Christmas, actually. Maybe I'll just, maybe I'll see you there. Yeah, come on over. I'm doing it mostly because it's so difficult to get my British family out to the US because tickets are so expensive, but they can fly down to Portugal pretty cheap.

It's like 50 bucks from England That's incredible. Yeah, and I was like well as much as I Love England. I don't want to go there for Christmas. It's too damn rainy Ever again or I'll go there again. I don't hate the place. It just rains a lot Well, I think I need to go there I need to explore my ancestral roots, connect with the land, you know? Oh, you got a bit of a Portuguese in you?

Oh, no, England. Oh, England, that makes more sense. That makes more sense. Yeah, get over there, come with us. But, oh, so many of the US mines, so I guess she was saying that the US used to control a lot of mines in the world for all the rare earth minerals that now we're using for everything from smartphones to Electric cars and all the rest of it probably making computers and you know everything else you use them for but we sold a lot of them to China and

That's a bad choice, bad move. Well, I've got a feeling, no, I've got a feeling that we did it because of the mining practices involved that we didn't want to be super tied to. Cause there's like a- That makes sense. Like the coal-bolt mining, for example,

there's like a bit of a slavery aspect to this. I say a bit of one, I mean a lot of one. And if we can remove ourselves, I say we, but the US government can remove themselves from a few steps, you know, to where it's getting mined, shipped off to somewhere, processed, turned into blocks, and then we buy it, we don't look as bad.

But ultimately, I mean, can you really say that though? Especially if you know all the way down to the mine part. It's, but this is what it seems like. So ultimately, she's saying, what does that mean for us now? Like these rare earth minerals are mostly in the hands of China. We need a lot of them. I mean, I don't know if they decide to just be like, you're not having any. I don't know if they can afford to say things like that to us, but maybe one day.

I mean, why wouldn't they, they would just lose a part of their income. They could still sell to every other country. I've got a feeling though that the US is like the biggest buyer of goods and services in the world. Oh yeah, totally. Most countries wouldn't be able to afford to not do business with us. I mean, we're like in the middle of funding Ukraine and paying for to like fight against

them, the Russians. And I'm pretty sure we're still buying that oil the whole time. The oil, Russian oil? Yeah, we have no business. Choosing the higher ground on that one. We are, our hands are covered in blood money. It's slippery though.

If you look at it, if you look at nations like a corporation, right? Because basically it's kind of the same thing. You could almost look at religions that way. I mean, America is the, the US government is the largest corporation that ever came into existence. The biggest company that ever existed. How could you even get there without doing some shady shit? You've just got your hands in too many pies. I'm not giving it an excuse, but it's just inevitable. I need an answer. I need an answer right now. I can't fix it. I need to know. You represent the country. Goddamn it, Pete. You're a terrible ambassador. I'll tell you that much. I need to know. You represent the country. God damn it, Pete.

You're a terrible ambassador. I'll tell you that much. I'll be an ambassador like Uruguay. That's all. One of those countries that just has skiing and no war, like what is it, Switzerland? I guess, Italy? They have Alps.

I think the Swedes are not big into war. They've been pretty neutral forever. Yeah, and like Canada, they're protected by the larger powers. They can afford to be, they can afford to be as left as they want. Super world. Because they've got strong arms protecting them. Bless. Bless.

Joe mentions about how he doesn't like gold. Why do we love gold so much as a world? It has always been a commodity and a currency. Yeah. Well, it's back until the Mayan times, way before. It's not the most expensive metal though, right? Isn't like platinum more expensive? So gold, there are there are I think six metals that are that do not like degrade and they are very stable. Mm hmm. That and we use those for currency gold, silver, platinum,

rhodium, palladium, bronze and no, no, bronze doesn't corrode either but it is also bronze corrode but it is not considered a currency because it's the nature of the atoms the metal gold is bronze is the third medal of the olympics okay i rest my case that's the one it's the one that uh that you that you're still proud about getting but you don't have on your mantle Well, you just yeah a bit sad about it unless unless you were coming in seventh place and then you're like a not bad, right? Brains nobody's all that coming Yeah, I mean gold is well, and it's because of it has very unique properties. I know that so for like Because of it has very unique properties. I know that.

So for like circuit boards and things, like you really can't use any other type of metal. Like it's very useful mechanically for a lot of things. And it's very finite until they find a way like we can make gold, but we have to put so much energy into it that it's that it costs more. But if we ever came up with, yeah, we can do legitimate alchemy now. We can make all of the elements out of different elements. It's just more expensive than it would be to just purchase the elements. So that would completely destroy the gold market, though.

If ever we came up with a power system, there was just so much power for so cheap because all they would do is just make machines that could make gold until the gold was then worthless. And then. Which is what diamonds are essentially worthless. We can make diamonds now, but it is just still such a part of our culture. We like diamonds for beauty and lasting

that we're supposed to buy them. But we can make jewelry grade diamonds in a lab in a short amount of time. Yeah, Joe was talking about that. He was saying to Mariana that, yeah, we can do that. People still like the ones from the earth though. They feel like the synthetic ones aren't, you know, as there isn't like a romantic, but that's all. That's all fucking dubez, you know, propaganda and marketing. Those Dutch sons of bitches. Only two things I don't like in this world.

People who are insensitive of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Can't argue with that. There's a chemical reason why gold is so popular. And you ask a chemist and they'll tell you they are the noble metals, the metallic element that resists oxidation, corrosion, and even at high temperatures. That's why we need it and like it so much. It's pretty good But there's just not that much of it Let me read you these ones. Oh go ahead Ruthenium rhodium palladium silver osmium iridium platinum and gold Those are the expensive ones. Those are the ones that are integral

for processing in our computers. The moisture will, you can't have silver even though it's a great conductor because it oxidizes at the drop of a hat. Oh yeah. Gold, platinum, rhodium, they don't oxidize. Okay. And then you don't really want like the rings and things

and never 24 carat, right? Which is the most carrots. That's like the purest. Because gold starts to get a bit soft. So you wanna add some other things. It wears away. It wears away quite rapidly. Malleable.

Even silver is really malleable, unless it's alloyed. Well, here's a fun fact. You know, the coins have those little lines on the outside all the way around. And they were there because originally coins were gold coins or silver coins. And people would shave them and just take little bits of gold

and silver off the coins they had, then spend the coins, but eventually be collecting up gold and silver. You have enough coins pass through your business or whatever. You could probably collect a decent amount, but the coins will get smaller. So they had to put those lines on to be like, is somebody shaved this coin? And we keep it today because it's just part of the design, I guess. Yeah, it's decoration and any decoration on a coin is for the same purpose. And thank goodness We they did that because we can now date funerals shipwrecks

And all kinds of cool stuff archaeology with that. Yeah Yeah, I'd like to find a shipwreck. I wonder how much gold has been sunk in tons tons and tons and tons from especially from the the Rape of South America by the Spanish Maybe that's part of the Elon's plan for the satellites. He's like, yeah, I'm just making internet really just scanning for shipwrecks He's just a pirate. He's a bit these actually lover He's a pirate lover you read a couple of books and he's like I'm pretty rich I could do this I could find all that a pirate lover. He read a couple of books and he's like, I'm pretty rich, I could do this. I could find all that shit.

Pirate lover, similar, but different from pirate hooker. That's a good point, yeah. It's an important distinction. Let's jump over to black market stuff. This is what kind of blew my mind on there. They said half of all money is either black market or gray money, black or gray money. Gray money is not as horrible sounding as you would think.

It's just mostly like cash exchanges, things that- Under the table. Basically, you know. But black market is not good, mostly legal stuff, but that's half of the world's economy. So imagine how powerful it is. It's like with all the things that we have, the IRS, the legal system, like FBI investigative services, half of the economy is still completely illegal and out of their grasp.

So that's a power struggle. Like money is like the thing that drives it all. So there's a lot of power on the back end of this Have you heard about the thing where our currency in the United States our paper money? More than half of it is not in the United States. It gets it's used as other countries Reserve stock of money. No shit. People hoard $100 bills in other countries because the US dollar is relatively more stable than whatever they have.

So the paper money. And that's the thing that happens. That could make sense. I mean, look, how often are you yourself dealing with paper money? Like I don't do it that much. Like I'll probably keep a couple of hundred bucks around. My house, maybe a 20 in my car for like times

when you know, you go somewhere and they don't have, you know, maybe you can't use a car. It just doesn't come up that much. A tip? A tip. Tips are, yeah, that's about the only reason I have any cash is like, I like to throw cash tip down. Right.

But it's never a hundred. The amount of $100 bill is made, it does not reflect how their amount of $100 bill is in our circulation. And it's because they're in foreign countries. Yeah, I mean, I would be interested to look at how much of my spending percentage wise is paper money compared to just debit credit cards,

but it's probably less than 5%. I would imagine. Same here. Yeah, you're not paying your rent with a bunch of hundreds. I think if you went to do it, they'd look at you funny. They'd be like, what is this guy do for work? Not since I'd went above the board. I'm on the books, you know?

Oh, you're on the books now, are you? I'm on the books I am. Well, also you can buy a lot of exotic animals, which is kind of fucked up. You buy a gorilla for half a million. I don't know why anyone would take that on. I feel like they would eat so much that it would be just a very expensive thing to have.

You gotta get two, they're gonna get lonely. How fun are they anyway? I would be too scared of it to have any fun with it. It might be cool to teach them sign language. I would teach, I would have it teach me gorilla style jiu-jitsu. Well, I would teach it. I would have it teach me gorilla style jujitsu. Whoa. I don't know.

Like one year old dude, they could just pull you in half probably. Maybe two. That legend say that's how Kabibi got so good. Oh, no, that was a bear. That was a bear, wasn't it? And his name is Habib, dude. Kabibi. Habibi, that's a different thing, isn't it?

That's, no. Wrong. Khabib. Mm-hmm. And then I guess she was saying one of the areas where you can get like chimps from, so they sell chimps too and people in Africa will send out the pygmies because they're often displaced from their home and put in pretty bad positions, situations and kind of forced to go get chimps.

They end up killing a lot of the chimps to get a baby chimp. And shout out to my man, Justin Ren, for a fight for the forgotten. That's the charity that this podcast gives to. So thanks for everyone listening so we can support this. And so we can give the pygmies about a life and You know the two reasons we went with that on the show one Justin Renn seems like the nicest guy in the world and Joe is always said that he's the best

I've talked to him on a zoom call one time because we've been part of the charity and he really is just such a sweetheart but also because And I understand why he gives to them, they are really like the poorest people on the planet. And if you're thinking about giving, and there's a lot of great charities, don't get me wrong, you can do a lot of things, you can donate clothes and go to a homeless shelter and a soup kitchen and, but I just felt like go to the poorest people. And when you hear that they're being sent off to kidnap, chimp babies, it's like, these guys are having a rough time.

No, I'm glad that we do that with that particular charity because we know where the money's going for sure. Too often with these companies, they're owned by somebody and the money does not go where you're putting it. Like if you're given to Gaza right now, which is awesome, that money ends up in Qatar more times than it gets to the people. Or maybe in Hamas hands.

And yeah, it's definitely worth looking into the charities, you know, and knowing where the money's going. And I will 100% vouch. I know a bunch of people that work for fight for the forgotten and they are just wonderful people. And I'm we're proud to be able to do that. So yeah, God bless them. Let's end up with the sex exploitation stuff. sex exploitation stuff where they, I guess when Mariana looked into this, there were a bunch of people in the Philippines that would connect to people often in the US online, send them nudes, get nudes back,

and then kind of hack their accounts and threaten to send all of this information out if they didn't give them money. And sadly, you could imagine that's ruining lives. So please don't fall for that. If anyone contacts you that you don't know, that's a bad move. And, you know, some of these people are committing suicide and that's brutal. Some of the, I guess, the victims of this exploitation,

the people think they're getting partners, but really, Alty, they're just giving away blackmail material. Those are the people that are killing themselves? Yes. Oh, yeah, that's... Keep it secret, keep it safe. That's what I say when it comes to your... What's in your pants?

Yeah, that's horrific to hear. And, you know, thank God people like her are out there kind of exposing when it comes to your, what's in your pants? Yeah, that's horrific to hear. And, you know, thank God people like her are out there kind of exposing that along the same lines, Joe brought up something to her that she wasn't really aware of. So many of you are familiar with the body exhibit, which is been around now, I don't know,

how long, 20 years, maybe longer. And it's that exhibit where it shows all the veins and capillaries and nerve parts of human beings, all the muscles, and they're doing different things, playing basketball, tennis, and moving around, or they like split the head up. It's pretty gruesome looking, but- Yeah, it is gross.

Back in the day, when we would go to it, it was like, oh, this is science and art together. And these people gave their body for science. So, yeah, it's like proposition to you as not quite as ill, ill, not tempered, but just- Ill-got. Just fucked up, as it turns out to be.

And with a little bit of investigation, turns out that there's a good chance allegedly that these bodies came from political prisoners in either Russia or China, mostly China. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Cause the process of these things is they need to be, you need to have the body within like 48 hours.

So if you think about it, if it was a volunteered stuff, you gotta move fast to get that done. If it's just like you're a donor, you pass away, they gotta get moving quick. Now, if you get to just kill these people, you can have it set up immediately. And that makes the potential for this thing

so much more gruesome. And the fact that if there's any truth to this, that needs to be looked at immediately with scrutiny. And those things need to be stopped. Because that's a horror shifting on those bodies. We need to get in their bone marrow and figure out who they were. Right. DNA testing. Yeah. But then we can get genetic groups, we can say, oh, these are caucus people

or these are Chinese Muslims or Indian street urchins or, Joe mentioned, I'm not sure he went into it in this podcast but he has talked about one woman who ran a foul of another woman and this woman was pregnant. And so she disappeared and then weeks later, a woman of similar stature with a similar term fetus was found in one of these body exhibits. Yeah. Do you remember this? Well, he spoke about that in the past, but he also mentioned this at the end of the Mariana one. And he has talked about this in the past.

So it was some sort of mayor or governor of a place in China who was having an affair with some reporter who got a pregnant. The wife found out who ran the exhibit, or the company that makes the bodies, which is even like, we're talking like close ties here. And all of a sudden that lady went missing, and this pregnant person popped up in the exhibit.

Now that is one of the most horrifying acts of revenge I've ever heard of in my life, because she will last forever now. That's just, to fathom that, it doesn't, breaks my brain that humans are that apathetic to someone who's not them, the other. That's like a twisted Twilight Zone right there. And it's a lot to think about. It's a lot to think about. I mean,

hey, who knows, maybe Mariana will do an investigative bit of journalism into body exhibit. That would be amazing. Because she could delve right in there, man, and get some info or end up in the exhibit, which we would hope not. Depends how powerful they are. I don't know, like I said, you have to get insiders. And I don't know if insiders want to stick their neck out like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, who knows? A bit of a gruesome one.

I mean, look, it's worrying to hear what she talks about. It's, I don't know if it takes away from my hope in humanity. I don't think so. It's just interesting to hear about and it's great to have access to people that have looked into these things. It kind of highlights some potential conspiracy theory ideas that we just, you know, regular media doesn't talk about. But it's important stuff. I'm glad she does it. I'm glad she exists.

And it's great that he has her glad she does it. I'm glad she exists. And it's great that he has her on. What's her TV show again? It's called Traffic. It's still going on? Yeah. Yeah, I think they have a new season now. I have one in Africa. I'll take that. I'll give that a look. She seems the real deal. Oh, she's the real deal. All right. Anyway, that's it for this week. Appreciate it so much, Pete. Thanks as always and thank all of the listeners for tuning in. We will speak to you next week.