Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 374 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Katt Williams Et al.

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

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Now with your host, Adam Thorn. Might be the worst podcast for the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. On this podcast, we review the Joe Rogan experience Joined by my feelers co-host Pete No fear over here you guys hello. Yeah, there's no fear tons over here

Scared all the time every time even the podcast. I'm like, I don't know I don't even know if I can review it Today well, I just have a guns don't know. I don't even know if I can review it today. Well, I just have a guns nearby. So there's no fear over here. How's it guns? Well, you know, when you get brave souls like Cat Williams on in the week, who's just dropping, you know, knowledge to the level

that it's even hard to keep up with. It gives me confidence. Gives me confidence. Knowledge with the question mark. Well, I don't know about you, Pete, but to me, he seemed to know everything. And not only everything, even, excuse me, I'm burping, I'm having a whiskey even things that

that uh like Fringe to know or like potentially new knowledge to him He was agreeing that he knew to knew about it like it was so obvious and clear to him That it was almost a joke that it was brought up. That's a wise man. Yeah, he's one of those people where you can't really explain stuff too because he's already got it together. Oh, okay, yeah, he already knows,

he already knows you don't need to explain it to him. Kind of vibe. Mm-hmm. And it was good to hear his voice. I'm not thinking, we're not gonna start with him, are we? No, no, no no no? I just wanted to like touch on how much

Confidence he gave me this week Give me lovely. Yeah, give me a lot. He pumped me up. Let's start with Abigail Shryer Shryer Yeah, so The book bad therapy Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? Shriya? there because I'm in school now for mental health and I do agree there are a lot of problems with especially the more recent ways that people are teaching for mental health. There's a bit of like a victim culture thing. It's like does that lead into not empowering individuals and making them stronger? There's probably an argument there. Also what she was saying about not having great oversight, that's kind of true.

Once you're, well, that is true. Really, once you're a licensed therapist and you don't even have a supervisor anymore, unless one of your clients reports you, you're just kind of like speaking into the ether until somebody complains and you probably have to be fairly egregious. So, you know, there's a, there's, I'm sure there's like a good amount of fart sniffing going on when it comes to like- Yeah, and you got to sniff the f, or the farts of your governing bodies. That's the problem with Jordan Peterson, he got in trouble with that stuff.

I guess he had 17 complaints, turns out, not even from people that he was working with. Yeah, that was just because he was famous, it's bullshit. Yeah, famous. So, you know, the... Famous? Well, the complaint thing on a local level makes sense it's like the idea there is if you Pete are a therapist and You're doing like an okay job, you know normal job, but maybe like sometimes you're doing a bit of a shit job

well That means that someone you know or a client is gonna complain complain about you. And I think the cutoff is somewhere around five. So you would need to have five complaints from five different people before the board really looks at it. And then you're, you know, you kind of have to speak to these accusations. Well, on a more local level, that's somewhat reasonable, even if there was, you know, kind of like an active attack on you as a person, right? It would take more than just like one upset Karen or even two to get to five people and then kind of come after you.

The problem is once you get like Dr. Phil famous or Jordan Peterson, you're open to any scrutiny. I mean, people can come at you from states and countries that you don't even live in and complain. Well, that's when a system like this completely breaks down. Right? It just is gonna. Did you know that Dr. Phil hasn't renewed his license

since like 2006? Yeah, we spoke about that last time. Exactly. So now that I've thought about it, it's like probably because people could complain like that. If he doesn't go for his license, they can't do it. There's no legal complaints then. In the little to the liability or recourse

are people that want to complain. Because he's honestly, anyway, Abigail. Yeah, but along the same lines, right? What she's saying is there are problems there with these people, these systems that necessarily doesn't help kids. This week, because I obviously know some therapists and I'm close with them,

and a few of them do specialize in working with kids, I will say that they weren't entirely against what she was saying. They did agree that there are plenty of therapists out there that might not be doing a lot for the individual kids themselves and they were open to the idea that it could be them under certain circumstances with certain kids. It's like somewhat hard to know.

That makes sense. But overall, what I've heard is that these kids are brought to therapy not just because they have behavioral problems or they're struggling, it's that they're brought there because they have no one to talk to. Like they have no parent that is properly paying attention to them. And they've got in a lot of trouble and it's kind of mandated therapy. And when that happens, yeah, when that happens, I mean, she kind of laid it out like the parents care, even though they can't get through to this kid. And now all that's happening

when they get to therapy is the therapist is reaffirming this behavior and just, yeah, they're just constantly then depressed and anxious and have no confidence and keep needing to go back to the therapist. Well, what I'm hearing is the majority of the kids that are going in this direction are actually ones that don't have parental support and therefore anyone kind of listening to them. Right. That's a big problem. Yeah, when you take a kid like that,

it's like, hey, at least somebody is paying attention to them and listening to what's happening in their life, like giving them some chance. So the point here is like some therapy, maybe not, you know, maybe even not the best therapy is better than none for somebody in a bad spot. But I would say that to talk to someone is better than no one, but not if that someone reaffirms your mild anxieties,

balloons them and potentially prescribes drugs that are unnecessary. Was it like 40% of kids these days are diagnosed? 40%? It's too many. Yeah. Well, you mean with any diagnosis? Yeah, I think she said that 40% of kids now have a diagnosis.

Well, but here's the thing. In order to work with insurance when you're a therapist, you have to diagnose your client. Ah. Right? So if they are not diagnosable, let's say someone comes in that wants to keep talking to you, but there's no, there's nothing. There's nothing under, you know, the diagnosis manual that you could put them under.

You need to be like, okay, insurance is not going to cover this. You know, mostly they put adjustment disorder at that point. It's like, hey, you're going through something. It's difficult. It's an adjustment. It's not a problem. It's like the most, you know, chilled out diagnosis.

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Just head to betterhelp.com slash J-R-E-R. That's B-E-T-T-E-R-H-E-L-P dot com slash J-R-E-R, that's B-E-T-T-E-R-H-E-L-P dot com slash J-R-E-R. Start your journey today for a better you. But the point there is... Well, she seemed to have a lot of good stuff to say. Yeah, yeah. I mean, what she's saying there is true. She's saying that 40% of the people, like these kids that go to therapy

need a diagnosis. They have to have it in order for insurance to pay for them. So that's inflated. What she followed up with with that though is because of the diagnosis, the kids are therefore trapping themselves in a place. And that is a concern, right? If somebody says, hey, you have mild autism

or you have ADHD, it's like, are these kids? And this is a question I don't know, I can't answer. Are these kids then leaning into their diagnosis and like making excuses like, oh, I can't sit still because I have ADHD. Well, okay, but can you actually sit still right now? You know? Or I don't like to shake hands because I'm autistic,

but it's like, okay, but do you want to try? You want to give it a go? Or do you just succumb to the definition that someone told you that you are and then therefore you're filling that out. So they get kind of bogged down by that. They get labeled and then that's their label, that's their piece of their identity then. Yeah, dude. I mean, how many people have you known that will not give them very good feedback about

their own academics in high school. And they basically now live their entire adult life thinking they're dumb and they can't figure new things out that are academic. Well, me's four years of a thing and it's just only so many teachers there that probably weren't that good We're underpaid didn't give a fuck You know didn't have the time or the patience or the knowledge to even help an Individual figure out what they were trying to learn. It's not always that the kids are disinterested or too stupid to do the work. And there we go. Now, because of that four years, oftentimes people will then live the rest of their adult life thinking they can't do any of those things.

That's, it's debilitating. Yeah. We need to train more people to retread tires versus try to go to pre-med or something. Not everyone's gonna be a doctor. 100%. Well, but not everyone needs to feel like they have to be one, otherwise they're a loser too. It's like, hey, unless you're a doctor or a lawyer,

you're just not cool. It's like, hey, why you're a doctor or a lawyer, you're just not cool. It's like, hey, why can't a plumber be cool? I mean, I thought Mario was gonna sort that out. It was a great game, but people just didn't go into plumbing like I assumed they would. Doesn't seem like he's focusing on his trade. It seems like he's messing around in some sort of tube worlds. Doobie, he's good with those pipes, find.

Bloody good with those pipes. But you know, I mean, if somebody just said to you, hey, what do you really want in life? Like think back to high school. You just like, well, I want, there's a lot of prestige that comes in. There's a lot of like, I want money. I want a cool house, I want girls,

all these different things. But that's only because we're like learning from this like small like pool of information where it's like, hey, you can also do a decade of working in a restaurant, which a lot of people after high school will do. And if somebody is like, yeah, also you could be making close to six figures within a year or two of an apprenticeship

being an electrician or a plumber or like doing some sort of like, you know, construction. And there's a lot of elements to construction. It's not just like lift and cement, right? You can make good money in a craft that's really useful. You never run out of work. You'll never have to fear not having a job, which is a real thing as an adult that high school kids don't appreciate.

And you could be saving money immediately without gaining student debt. Nobody had that conversation with me when I was in high school. Nobody, not even close. I would have loved to have had that. I would have been like, wait a minute, I don't even have to do all this fucking algebra.

And they're like, trust me, dude, zero algebra. You know how to use a tape measure? That's it. You know how to write down what's on your tape measure? I'm like, I'm pretty sure I could learn. Yeah, they'd be like, yeah, you could, you could learn that. And I'm not taking anything away from that type of work too. I'm not saying, oh, this is for dummies. I'm just saying you don't have to go to college for it. You don't have to do all the filler bullshit.

Or you can say to your trade school and then they pay you to take it. You know, so that. Yeah, and you get to work with like really fucking interesting people. You could probably build your own home. I'll never get to build my own home, Pete. Earlier on, I got a dartboard that showed up here and I was like, ah, I wanna put that up but I'm not gonna find a stud.

Yeah, that's how useless I am. Yeah, there are people out here that can build their own homes, and that must feel amazing. It's interesting what we prescribe value to. And that stuff is important. We should have a lot of, our school system is obviously geared toward making kids

be factory ready. And we don't even do factories really anymore. So we need to switch it up. We don't need to make 16 to 17 and 18 year olds get into hundreds and then thousands and then maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a job that they will never get of dollars in debt for a job that will never get free of that debt from. Yeah. It's disgusting. I think what Abigail was, her big thing was that about was the lack of oversight, letting letting therapists run without parent approval, turning rights against children. Mm-hmm and Just who's teaching these kids what's going on? Yeah, parents are good parents typically typically 80% of kids you tell to walk it off are gonna walk it off Now we don't even tell kids to walk it off. That's you know, it's insensitive We all need to walk it off. We all need to buck up a little bit Mm-hmm and even if it means

buck up and go talk to somebody in therapy, they should do it. Yeah, we can't, we can't like, you know, nerf proof the world. Right. We can't make everything so soft. That it's like, Oh, we don't need to train them to be resilient. It's like your emotions, Oh, we don't need to train them to be resilient. It's like your emotions even in the softest world They're probably worse, you know, it's like what is the softest world LA? everyone's a trust-fun kid and You know everyone just goes to like Art museums Berkeley Sam I guess that's in San,

not sure where that is actually. But exactly, right? There's no war, barely anyone has to work, the people are well. Don't worry. It's like, okay, so this is the safest life. Could you imagine the like high school, you know, bullshit dialogue that goes along with that?

I mean, that is emotionally very difficult to deal with. It's like, you don't need an asteroid or a bear attacking you to like feel terrible about your status in the world. That, that's gonna happen. That will always be there. Death is looming for us all. And in lieu of a actual catastrophe,

we've manufactured it by getting all of our kids addicted to opioids and then letting people just walk across the border, bringing them in China or Mexico. Now, we have a death rate that's incredible just from drugs. We don't need a war to make us to kill us. We have ourselves. So I think that we and a lot of our friends will disagree with Abigail because she's because we believe in intervention. We believe in like stepping in front and with somebody and say, Hey, your behavior is not correct right now. And you realize it's not right. I realize it's not right. What are the steps we can do to change this, your behavior and your thinking. So in that regard, therapy has been

helpful for me and it's been helpful for the people in my life. And so that's why they might not agree with her because she's kind of a hard-nosed woman about it. She has her lines in the sand. But it is important, but also 80% of us can walk it off. I think I agree, dude. And I'm saying that dangerously as someone that's been through almost a graduate program in behavioral health. I think there is this element of like, okay, we're not talking about shaking babies.

We're talking about like brush your knees off. I know that hurt. You're not alone, but you know what? You could do that again. And now, yeah, go try it again. And this lack of preparedness almost, like, oh, talk about how scary that was it's like okay yeah I mean no I'm trying to forget about how scary that was I don't want to

talk about it again yeah yeah my question would always be can you go and do it again and maybe do it better like do it better yeah don't try the rope swing once fall off and then never try it again because it was too scary that's not the world I want to make for a child. Wait for the water to get higher and you jump back in that summon hole. That's it. Get back on there. Yeah.

Hold on tighter. Kick that gator. Kick that gator. Kick it. I mean there is something reasonable there. Are there any gators down there where you live? I don't think so No, we got some lakes and stuff where we probably got some dangerous snakes

You know pray some weird ass bite your snakes Cotton mouths or some copperheads That sounds more like deserty stuff. I mean it's no those are wet. Those are wet land. Oh, they are wet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we're probably got those I could google like what what's up with Tennessee, but I feel like, you know, we just got tornadoes that occasionally just wipe off a bit of the land and that's As far as I can tell and I'm not that religious. It was probably the people that were bad at church Oh, they're bad at church. Well, it seems very specific. If you're looking at the geography of where it takes out, it like covers like three blocks and a gas station.

And you're just like, yeah, I think God was mad at that bit of the earth. I don't gaze. Who knows? I know that, um, well, if a two trailer parks suffer the most, because they may have like cardboard. Well, yeah, they're not wind resistant, are they? Or they even. And they probably put them on land that's cheaper as well, because it's like, you know, it's a trailer park and you're trying to save as much money as you can. So maybe they put it in like, you know, tornado alley.

Who knows? We'll just pray about it. We'll pray about it. Yeah. So- What else is she up to in the spell? Listen, listen, Abigail is, is, I like, I like some what she was saying.

I like that she really spoke out about the gender issues, you know, early on and thought that she could never get back on Rogan's podcast. Reasonable, you know, there were some meetings at Spotify. I mean, Rogan doesn't give a fuck about that and just kind of held strong and got it back on. I like that because that must have really pissed those people off at Spotify, but again. Actually, the odor of Spotify, or the CEO is actually on Rogan's side, and I think he seems like a pretty straight-up and down kind of operator. For sure. He's definitely been on Rogan's side, but what I'm saying is they have employees there

that like to fucking kick up a fuss. Yeah, so they've been doing that. And either way, Joe had her back on. And yeah, this time around for me, a little less compelling. It's like the gender thing before made more sense as like a major issue. I don't really, other than over prescribing to young kids, which is a bad move, I don't really see why young kids

that are struggling going to therapy would make their lives worse. I don't know if there's a lot of real data there. Well, it's like, she was saying, it's like picking out a scab, you know, let it heal, let it scar, let it fade, and then you forget you even were hurt. That's kind of what I take from her stance there.

She's's like, you don't have PTSD, you have a bad memory. And granted, there are some memories that do have PTSD, but even the combat vets who served all the tours, and were blowing people up, getting blown up, have less PTSD than some of the people that stayed on base all the time. So it's kind of not a rhyme or reason. It's another one of those things is who's compiling the data for what reason and how are they looking at it. No, I'm on board with her to a degree. Yeah, I'm so easily swayed with with with a good book and then and a good speaker. I'm be very easily swayed. And so are the kids. Yeah, go to people like this.

They're usually suede, oh, now you do have a problem. Oh, of course you have a problem. And with the wrong bad faith actors who are in therapy, they might say, oh, yeah, well, I get, oh, you felt like you're more boyish than you are a girl. Let's explore this. Let's go down this road.

Before you know it, there's no way to come back from that road. There's no way to come back from that road There's no way to come back from taking those drugs or even Reversing surgeries. Yeah, and I and I think that might actually have been the start to her being so frustrated with therapists is like Dealing with the gender issue because if think about it if you started this Dealing with the gender issue and then you see a bunch of therapists, I mean, I had to look at somebody from my program today that specializes in LGBTQ plus and I'm like, wait a minute, what? How do you specialize in that?

How do you specialize in just name it LGBTQ plus? and I think there's two others. So you specialize in eight different things or are you putting them under all the same umbrella? Or you're just so good, you can specialize at eight things that to be honest, are like mostly being invented, you know, every six months. So I have to believe that in six months you were able to specialize in this thing

or you already knew about it. It's people are reaching out there. And if you found out, like if Abigail finds out, a few kids are like getting sucked into these people's worlds and all they came in there with was, I get distracted easily, and I don't have a lot of friends. And now they're getting labeled by a quote unquote expert as like, oh, you fall in these categories.

Like, I get it. I get it. I just don't have enough info to know, you know, that that's happening in the therapy world and God, I hope it isn't. Like it's so sad, it's like, it's the same level of sad as hearing your doctor sucks. Like he's not just a doctor that isn't making you healthy,

he's actually persuading you to get more sick. Like a 50s doctor that said smoking was okay? Oh dude, those were cool doctors. Stop. Ones that he didn't know, those 50 doctors didn't know. They were like, hey, you look cool, you look strong, and it might cure tuberculosis. We don't know.

You're going to switch to Marlboro. Have you tried whiskey? It's going to make your babies lighter. Yeah. But like a doctor that actually is like clearly driving you into a sickness. It's like, what do they call those people? What is that thing where like a mother? Yeah, exactly. Munch houses by proxy.

Exactly. That's a bit of what I'm picking up on at least what she's saying she thinks is happening I don't think that she believes that these therapists or some of them are actually trying to help I think that she believes that they are intentionally malicious. Well, just trying to keep them coming to therapy, coming back, relying on the therapist, and it's probably the fucking therapist that needs to go to therapy.

That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, or be disbarred and discredited. And yeah, there's so many therapists are akin to a cult leader in a way where people come to them very at the lowest point and they need your help and your position of authority. So therapists get affirmed, they get gratification from these people that have bad issues They get it. Yeah, so LGBT is LGBT QIA 2s plus what they want to add what is to? So let me tell me let me just break it down. Yeah lesbian gay bisexual

trans queer intersex, and A is asexual, 2S, which means two-spirit and plus, because they haven't had enough yet. Okay, lesbians and gays are as our separate... I don't mean to laugh, but I'm just trying to catch up as you're telling me and like that to me initially sounded absurd I don't I don't fully understand it. That's all I'm saying It's it's as way, right? I was saying black people are all the same LGBTQ LGBTQ AIA plus are not all the same black people are not the same all white people are not the same We are not these groups that have similar Goals for our outcomes. Lesbians are often at odds with gays bisexuals are just

By now gay later. They're gay essentially. Yeah, unless they they're same subtracted people that also are their respective other. Queer, which is just like whoever wants to be a bit different, paint your nose black, but still like they're not queer. Like I'm a bit weird, you know, I'm a queer. It's like just part of, they're just glommin' on. You're a bit queer, dude.

Would you just back the fuck up? Well, I mean, I'm thinking in like the classy 1920s like oh how queer? Sure like Holmes. He kind of just he just odd That's it. That's a good queer. Then there's asexual who are like I want no part of this Sexual this is all about sex. This whole thing is about sex and there's 2S+, which was invented in the 90s by a nearly Indian woman. Wait, they must have just added this though. Why was it invented in the 90s? It's the last few years it's just come into prominence but 2S+, 2S is Two Spirit, It talks about the Indians.

The Native Americans here had a bit more of a fluid nature to their sex. They're fucking everybody. Whatever. It's fine. I don't care. Who cares? Nobody cares. You don't need a group. That's that's what the 2S, Two Spirit. I have male and female in my body. Well, maybe at the same time if we're talking party and party. Well, maybe at the same time if we're talking party. Hey. So, so how do you even announce that you're like just so you know my pronouns are two s plus. Yeah, and that's when everyone says, alright, this party is never fun. It's a lame party we got right here.

I don't know. Dude, maybe two s plus is like the coolest. Maybe get to a party and you're like, this party's lame, always there was some 2S Plus here. And then someone's like, yo, over here. And then you're shotgun in. Yeah. They just pull out a sick bag and you're just like, whoa, dude.

What kind of medicine pouch is that? Uh-huh. Like ready for the DMT right of your life and you're like, you know what? S2 plus for president. I'm in there we go Who's that? Who's that? Is that a guy? Over there doing a cake stand for 30 seconds. No, they're 2s plus. That's 2s plus dude Which is is like a like a kind of well a bit of a cheesy band name from like the 90s Boy band name plus it's kind of like SR 71

Kind of like you know, they got one good jam, but yeah Yeah, anyways, well there we go. So it's a white way. It's it's so white. It's such a white thing It's a white way. It's so white. It's such a white thing. It all sounds white, dude. This whole LGBTQ thing sounds like a really sad white thing. Even the woke thing does. And on the flag says black lives matter. And I'm just like, whoever made this is so white and annoying that even the black lives would be annoyed about being associated with this. That's just me. I like that black guy that like wears denim

and has like maybe like a thinning hairline and he drinks Miller High Life and he works in a factory and he talks to you about like fixing cars and stuff and like how his daddy did shit back in the day. I miss that guy. They're around. They're around.

Yeah. They need to speak up. They're coming back. And I hope they do. They need to speak up. Dude, you know what they're doing? They're just going camping these days. They're just like, you know what? I used to like to go to the bar.

I used to like to say some things, but now I'm just, I'm going camping. I got no time for the nonsense in the world. They're not putting up with it. Plus our hearts. I know. You know who doesn't put up with this stuff? Cat. Cat Williams.

I'm a fucking Williams. That is the ultimate transition on the Joe Rogan Experience review. I mean, yeah. I mean, we needed it. We were waffling on but God some of these things man grind my gears kids, you know protect Lean out your friends. Yeah

protect them extend a hand and then do jujitsu. Yeah, so Cat Williams Yeah, recently has come come back into the world of K-Dub. Yeah. Recently has come back into the world of podcasting and just kind of like making some noise. He's been on the DL for some time. He comes back, he does a podcast, it blows up massively. He even kind of, not directly, but like talks a little bit of shit about Rogan's world of comedians. But it wasn't, people made it out to seem like that was a dig at Rogan, it wasn't. It's like Rogan has or has had a few guys in his orbit

that maybe weren't honestly like that great of comedian. Maybe want honestly like that great of comedian. We know what's more guilty of that than Adam Sandler. Right. I mean, look, other comedians do it. It's like, what are you doing when you're bringing someone on the road? You're bringing someone that maybe isn't as good as you. You bring them up.

That's reasonable. You bring your buds. You bring them up. Give them a chance. Come on, give them a chance. Come on, give them a chance. And ultimately, if they just suck too, too bad, you kind of separate a little bit from them eventually. I mean, mostly they weed themselves out,

but some people are a little bit too clueless to do that. That's okay. And kind of go bless them for still staying in there and hammering in. But you know, I think Joe has made it clear who he thinks is funny. Because if you are not performing at the comedy mothership and you are close with Joe and you have been for some time, you're probably not good enough to perform there. And it says something about the quality of the club. And it's why I think that club is a sacred place.

I'm not that religious, but I think it's a sacred place. I'll say that. It's a sacred comedy hub. It's maybe a mecca of comedy. And you, and you know, realistically, you into all fairness, you can't taint it with some shitty comedians. So I think that's what,

I think that's what Kat was talking about. You know, it's- He's like, Kat, he needs his own podcast. You know, if he's gonna start- Fuck yeah. To keep other people, bringing people along, although Kat fucking pays the people that he goes with he pays those people. Oh dude yeah yeah he's a ounce of I respect the heck out of that guy as a working man. Mm-hmm. He brings along

people and he pays them well. Yeah. He pays them very well. White guys, black guys, women, men. Gypsies, ginges. People are not, not gins. The French. The French. Okay. No French. Sorry.

I was just, I was just listing some people that I was thinking about. I feel like he would take care of them though. He would. You know? All they, all they on his crew? I don't know. I can't, I can't actually. I don't know I can't I don't like I don't like French clowns and I think that's the only kind of comedy they have over there right now

Is that the thing what do they even do our friendship? What is their friend name a French comedian somebody? Oh? Yeah, it's off. I think they're all like clowns right they're all like properly. Oh, they're like mimes You know they're all like clowns, right? They're all like probably. Oh, they're like mimes. You know, they're like my men. You know, uh, Eddie is odd does, I think speak French and does his act in France. But that's the most that I've ever had for him. Yeah. Oh, well, he's, it's probably because he started the whole like cross-dressing thing. He's very funny, dude.

Very funny. I actually saw him inressing thing. He's very funny, dude. Very funny. I actually saw him in New Mexico. He was brilliant. Genius. He was good. Genius. Yeah, I recently saw Anthony Gieselnick. Oh, how was that?

He, he, he, be honest. He phoned it in. He phoned it in. You think so? He did. He wasn't like, he was like, I don't give a fuck. I'm too cool for this. The gal he had on before him though killed it.

I don't even know who he was. No shit, really? He killed it. Funny lady, yeah, believe it or not. Love that, love that, but somehow. I'm a Just-N-Eck fan, but he was not controversial. He was. What was his thing?

What did it sound like? It was shmarmie. It was a little bit... I can't even explain it except for I had like a... once or twice. Oh no. Every... all of it just... Uh-huh. ...coming. You can see them coming. I don't want...

I don't... this is not about him, but... Oh, I get it. No, I get it. But this is a good review and be honest. It's like, look, there's a lot of elements to this, right? It could be one bad show on those shows. It's like, you can't hold that against comedians. You just cannot. Also, maybe some comedians, some comedians kind of, you know, eventually

they get into their own shtick too much and we've seen it coming. I mean, he has the, dude, with all fairness to Jezoonak, he was the person that made me wanna try stand up for the first time. He was that guy. I listened to him back in 2014. Yeah, his jokes.

And I was loving it so much. And it's the same. It's the same. And that's a bit of an issue if his only thing is like really dark jokes that take a left turn after 30 seconds and it's the only way he knows how to do it then yeah he can be stuck in his own thing with his own smugness, dude. I don't know. There's a bit of the grinding.

He's, I don't feel like he's grinding. I don't think he's, doesn't smell like he loves it. Oh, really hammering it in. Well, in the same way back to Kat, right? He's been at the height of comedy, like, let's be fair. I mean, he was, you know... Pimp juice? What's his only look? Was it his...

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, Kevin Hart got as big at comedy as you could, and then just kind of like made a left turn and went into movies. And to be fair, his-up is not been as strong You know still good enough if you're a Kevin Hart fan, but like nothing as strong as it was It's like you're either He's the Taylor Swift of the cut of black comedians. Oh, that's a that's a statement, dude. It's like they I'm not saying I don't agree, but it's it's like specific you sign up for it to be a fan and you're a fan

They crank out albums and like well, this one's good, you know or this song's good. Yeah. Yeah. No, I see what you're saying for sure Yeah, yeah, cat Williams, you know is not selling out ever Like he's not playing in movies. It's not yeah. Yeah Yeah, well, he also did a lot of crack and then there was some like videos of him at a Walmart like getting in fights with people It's like you can't be a complete fucking literally Yeah, but I've heard pretty firsthand that he got in like a fistfight at the comedy store over nothing You know, I mean he was just like showing up places doing sets and getting in fights. That's not okay It's not gonna work out. That's unhinged. Isn't it? Well, it's a little excited. you know, like you're on a constant mission every day.

It's like, hey, I mean, let's get back to him reading how many books a week, 20 books a week. What did he say, Red? Was that what he said, Rogan? Yeah, yeah, he was talking about going to the library and they only give you 20 books and he like maxes them out, reads them all. He's all about reading and he loves, and it's all the books. It's I'm not saying he's not telling the truth,

but like that's very unusual. And also, if you were reading that many books, is it that important to tell people that you are reading that many books? reading that many books. Now, I'm going to contradict myself here because I do like to read. And I am obviously telling everyone that listens to me on this podcast right now that I like reading and I'll read multiple books. I should read.

I can read. Right, right. But I like to carve out time. I love to have a book list. I love to read. time. I love to have a book list. I love to read. But then I also... Open book club cutting guy? Yeah, I don't really... I don't talk about it with my wife.

I'm not like, hey babe, I just finished like four books or I'm like tell her for... Unless there's something in a book that is like, like important to the conversation that I'm having. So are you saying he's like kind of like defensively stating that or like just? I'm not saying defensively. I'm saying that there might be an agenda behind somebody telling you how much they've read.

Like that kind of is with what I just said. In fact, that definitely is. It's like I'm saying that I do it, but then I was giving the example that I don't really talk about it with other people. Yet I sometimes have a bit of a urge to do it. You know, there's like something showy-offy about that. To to have read a book means you care about a subject. And it means you're just you're going you're spending hours on a topic you're not just googling a sound by yeah so to read is

very very important to get to the to get to the heart of a matter no no of course and I and I think it's great that he reads a lot and that he's doing it. I don't know why he needs to explain to Rogan that he reads at a rate that I've basically never heard another human being has read that. And also most of the things that he really got excited about, like the pyramids or a power plant, it's like, dude, you're not reading that in a book. We've all seen that YouTube video.

So are you just like getting really high and watching fucking wacky YouTube videos or what? Also, the pyramid might be a power plant. I'm into it. It's gotta be something. It's not a tomb. Hmm Oh, we need grab. I wish we had grab my handcock on every week. Yeah, come on, Graham Because he he busts it down Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if I wonder if cats read any gram and handcock that would make that would turn my world around No doubt. No doubt. I'm just, I'm just saying there's some psychology there. Like, listen,

he's an incredibly fucking funny dude. I can't wait for his next special. I can't wait for his next thing that he's doing. Like he after doing Rogan and doing that other podcast that really blew him up recently, it's like club Club Shea? Yeah, yeah. And I don't mean to be disrespectful by like forgetting the name of that, but you know, sometimes I listen to too many goddamn podcasts, but that's a good show. That guy is a good interviewer.

I like the setup of it. I like how different it is from like other pods I listen to. Dude, it is. Yeah, it kind of is. They got the whiskey, they got the fireplace, like it's just like a setup, you know? And it also is like- It's nice to be here.

It also is like- I think you're set up here in a few months. Yeah, I feel like they're 10 minutes away from playing, you know, pick up basketball as well. They just got- Little soccer. You know, they got their track suit on, they're like ready to go, you know?

Is it because they're black at them? Well, you know they can throw it down You know what she knew that guy is sure No, who is he basketball player? He's a no he's a Football player for the Denver Broncos. Yeah, he was there. We go-D-D-WATCH football. Dude, I'm English. I don't know fuck all about any US sport. So that's not a racist thing. Which you know when someone says something like that,

that they're implying that it might be. Whoops. Damn it. Well, we got canceled, Pete. It's been a good run. Oh, I just didn't know what he did. I don't think any I didn't know what he did He looked like a sporty guy. That guy looks sporty. I Was into it. He's a he isn't trapped by the ideology of the left as well

Oh, he is well, he was a good. I thought he was a good interviewer. I thought he was good on that podcast Okay, well, he's just so famous. He disagree, I guess. I guess maybe he agree. Not in my land, you get out, you get out of my house. You get your bags and you get out. But either way, like Kat has made a point doing this and it's like made him, like he's kind of out there again now and I think this is gonna lead to, who knows, something.

Like he wasn't promoting anything. He's not like, oh, I've got a tour. I've got a special, I got whatever. The only thing was when Rogan was like, hey, come perform in my club. And he's like, I'm an arena act. And I'm like, okay, arena, yeah, you are. But you could also perform at the club.

I feel like that was a missed opportunity. It's like what, you can only do arenas now? That's a shame. Like go have some fun. Is that a little bit of arrogance? Of course it was, dude. Of course it was some arrogance. Like why not check out the new club? You know you just came on the guys podcast. Why not just go over have some fun

Meet some new comedians see who the up-and-comers are like Connect to what's going on like find out if people laugh Yeah, and remind yourself what it's like to play in like a small spot again What it's like to play in like a small spot again Get sweaty, you know go go work out in a room with a 200 people in it. I mean It sounds special for those guys. It sounds really special to get close like that Also, you when you're doing big acts they just make noise when you're on stage. You're not gonna like with an arena Some of those jokes just are shit

Mm-hmm get you get close to your audience And you might find out that you're not as funny as you thought you were You know, you really need to hone that in and I have no idea how that works Yeah, because I am afraid to even try Well, most people are and it's terrifying. So it makes sense, but. I would be down with Cat Williams just even just talking about life.

I don't need him to even, I don't even need to him to like make jokes. He just says stuff in a way that I appreciate. And his thing on with Shannon Sharpe that his expose and all that stuff, that's helpful for me. Right. To listen to those people talk is helpful for me to, well, it's fun for me.

We don't know what Oprah's about. We don't know what, what, how Kevin Hart came up. Sounds like he's an industry plant with that totally I vibe with. Like I get that out of He does not appreciate his comedy He doesn't like that guy. No. Yeah, he's mad it. Well, I think he's mad because that guy now is Probably worth ten times as much as he is and catfix. He's funny, which he probably look up Kevin Hart's net worth

My gas 500 million Probably guess how much Taylor Swift is worth. I just looked up the other day a bill to She's a 900 million dollars. Oh damn. It hasn't quite broken over But how does that stuff even valued 450? Cart has heart has 450 million. Okay. Let's look up cat. What about, you know, next, let's look up the rock.

Oh, he's a billion. Isn't he? Do you think so? We've already looked him up once back when we did his. And we did his net worth. Oh, cats's a billion, isn't he? You think so? We've already looked him up once back when we did his. And we did his net worth. Oh, Katz 15 million. Oh, yes. And no wonder he's so pissed off.

He's like, basically in the world of, oh, hold on. The hilarious comedian also claimed he has turned down over $200 million throughout his career. That's that's the kind of thing Possibly broke person would say though Well, I believe that because he he's I feel like he's got the thing in him that I have and it's a Hate for injustice and I'm not gonna put a dress on and I'm not gonna compromise myself Every one of these guys I say with these guys. Let's just say it like it is they are trying to put black men in dresses Right go along with their thing. You'll get you'll get the contracts. You get the other

Yeah, but isn't that just like potentially acting or doing whatever like look the only the only problem with this that didn't Resonate with me at all is I'm like, okay, so He was doing comedy stand up with guys that are now worth Half a billion dollars. He's not even close to that He probably wasn't giving as many opportunities and yeah Maybe he was arrogant at times and said no to some things.

Or these guys said, yeah, I'll do it. And then he's like, oh, it's easy to be a sell out. But really he's just like kind of mad at himself for turning down things and like, burning some bridges and all the rest of it. And then ultimately can say, oh yeah, they went down that, you know, that complete path of just whatever it is,

Illuminati or Epstein Island, or like you go as far with it you want with it. It's like, that's how you get to half a billion. It's like, well, maybe dude, you know, occasionally smoking crack and going to Walmart again and fights is like- Getting a punch up with some fucking 16 year old kid. Yeah.

Is like not gonna win you, you know, a fricking sweet tequila sponsorship. That's valid. That's valid. That's a valid. However, does that take anything away from a stand up? No, stand up dope. It's very, very funny. He's like been ridiculously funny to the point where he's funny. He's something else, dude. You can tell he's smart. When I'm talking to somebody, I get so annoyed if they had to say, yeah, I heard that already.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know. No, you don't know well, no. It's a little hard to conversate. And Joe was putting it all out there, being trying to be very nice. Yeah, he was. I think they gone well. And I think that, you know, Joe was keen to meet him and kind of didn't wanna have any beef coming up.

I think he respects Kat. I think a lot of people do. Kat has amazing jokes. I do. And after that podcast, there was like, hey, there were more things that needed to be talked about and discussed. I mean, no doubt.

Fascinating dude. He almost like has a rhythmic hypnotic way of speaking that like pulls you in. But but, you know, I've always liked him. Yeah, yeah. And I like him too. But ultimately over those three hours, you break down what was really being said. Ultimately over those three hours you break down what was really being said and there was there was a lot of like running in circles honestly. It was it was like his Joe's other more wandering podcast.

Yeah. Or about the pyramids or like ancient history. It's like hey man it all comes back to the central point of the aliens and feeling and love and religion and God is real and here we all are in this sacred space. It was like that kind of dialogue. It had that. Every bit of it was, Kat was really reserved. He was kind of like on his back foot the whole time.

And maybe because him and Joe are just totally different humans and this like didn't like really vibe. It was the first meeting, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, he wasn't as energized as he was on the football guy's show. I mean, he was trying to like redefine, you know,

the universe on that one. He was like, okay, I'm here, fuck you. This is how it is. This is what I believe. He was jump like almost jumping up and down on the couch drinking tequila or whiskey. Well, I think it's called Deserono on the Rocks or Hennessy or something.

Yeah, he was way more chill on road. Honestly, let's just be honest. What? Cat was comfortable with with Shannon Sharp, you know, their brothers, they're they have common cultures and interests. Cat was so animated because he was dishing the dirt on all the shit that he fucking knew about. Yeah. Cat has an inside track. so animated because he was dissing the dirt on all the shit that he fucking knew about.

Yeah. That has an inside track. Yeah. No, I believe that to be true. He didn't do any of that on Rogan. And you know what? He didn't need to do any of that on Rogan. No, no, no, no.

Different podcast. And let me tell you this. If one thing he did that was really interesting, is he like, he kind of met the Rogan team or the Rogan audience at its door. Yeah, because he talked about aliens. He talked about pyramids. He got really fucking stoned.

He got Rogan almost too stoned. Like he did everything that you would wanna do on a Rogan podcast it's like you know what I wish fuck yeah didn't soak weed I wish that like a lot of people did smoke weed on that cast don't because it cuts me off linguistically liquid linguistic but it cuts me off at my mouth I think we could have had a different more animated cat. And Joe, if they were just on whiskies or something.

Maybe. But you know what? We don't get to choose, dude. We don't. Here's the thing. Obviously they're there to entertain. That's why they do this show. That's why a podcast exists, why people come on.

But Rogan makes it very clear. Hey, I want to enjoy this too. Gotcha. And the way I can enjoy this the most is if fucking Post Malone comes on and wants to do mushrooms and then we get all the spacey, we're gonna fucking do it. Now is this the best realm for a conversation? Maybe not. But also, do you want me to keep doing this forever? Or do you want me to be like, you know what?

I'm only gonna do one a week because I want to do other shit. Or phone it in and it'll be fake. No, that's not our joke. Let this fucking guy do it how ever he wants to do it and if that means that like Sometimes he's just it goes where it goes. It's like that's what it's gonna be you can't script the universe you fucking nerds Saying that I'm saying that all right. Well, God bless him and... God bless America. Oh, God bless America. And every other country.

Come on, why not? I was thinking about that earlier because the flag I have outside my house like rubs on the like sandy roof bits. Oh, it's getting tattered. Dude, it got tattered. And supposedly that's like disrespectful to America. You have to eat it. You have to eat that flat. You got it while you saw the Simpsons and how they did that.

You saw the tips on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's very disrespectful and I'm like, fuck, I got a lower the mount so it doesn't blow up on the roof and get ripped on sandpaper. I don't want to be disrespectful to America. I love it. Not in your neck of the woods. You got to keep that shit. Yeah, I'm not doing that. All right. And on that note, love you guys.

We talk to you next week. God bless America. Don't let your flag get all tattered and shit. And thanks, Pete. Good night, you guys. Bless you. ["Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy"]