Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 376 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Ray Kurzweil Et al.

Episode Date: March 24, 2024

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This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Oh, hello there. Welcome to the show. The Joe Rogan Experience Review. Reviewing Away. Joined as always by Pete. And I jumped the gun on that one, didn't I? No, that was good. That was good I went slow trick you into my

Lollager I walked into that one. Yeah, you walked into that one some interesting guests this past week Ray Kurzweil is how you say his name cuz well, I would say curse wheel curse the black keys Legends come on and then James Lindsay James Lindsay interesting guy we'll see if we get to him political commentator I don't know it times on this show you know it comes up where we're talking a lot about you know the transgender thing or the immigration thing and there's a part of me that is like I don't that's like new stuff I don't want to review it as much unless

there's something new yeah it comes up a lot right and it's similar to when we get close to election season two it's just because that's a lot of the narrative. Um, but either way, either way, uh, let's go to, let's jump into Ray. Ray speaks very slowly. Those those were too slow. Yeah. You might want to speed that one up. If you're, if you're not like big into AI, um, it's, it's kind of a rough one to get through a little bit, I think.

He likes his suspenders. I went 1.2 on my playback. You went 1.2, yeah. He sounded normal. I noticed Joe mastered his energy pretty well. Yeah, I feel like Joe was like hopped up on Alpha Brain and alpha brain and probably, yeah, zins. I'm pretty sure he popped one on the thing. I saw him do it.

Yeah. He's in the Z he's nicotine in it. Oh man. It's a good new tropic dude. Um, but my point of that is, you know, Ray spoke very slow and he was like, very thoughtful and insightful, but it was like, because he's such a smart guy, Rogan was like, right, I've got to, I've got to come in revved up super sober, you know, not hung over well rested, nootropic to the gills so I can stay on point. And he was almost

like, like a little extra revved up. Kinda. Did you, did you say that or no? I did. Yeah. But good for him. That's what he should do. Like he doesn't want to sound like the fucking dummy

in front of someone who studied AI for 60 years. That, that fella, he, so he has a lot of confidence in the potential of AI, and he also has a lot of confidence in humans to keep up with the innovations that could occur, like the power grid thing. To be fair, though, think about, like, it's so logical. Like, we're all, like, many of us are like, oh, this is going to blow up and that's going to be a nightmare. He's like, hey, I'm like 80 years old everything got better in my life. Yeah, sure There was some points where things were a bit unstable, but mostly everything always went in the same direction

That's a lot of experience like he made that point really matter of fact And you can't argue with it. You can't be like, well, yeah, but is it going to happen this time? He's like, yes, idiot. It always happens. Every time you add more technology and better processing power and better, blah, blah, blah. It just, everything improves. The only thing I found interesting, sorry to cut you off, but how he was sure, what did he say? Like 2029?

Right. Now what's interesting about that is five years away. He studied this for 60 years. Now have his predictions been saying, like, you know, did he think 2000 and did he think 2010 and it just seems very close and it's like oh was this kind of always where he saw I mean is this the first time he predicted at a time I'm pretty sure that in whenever he made that prediction it was for 2029 it was not a he wasn't he's not a waffle he wasn't pushing it back right Right. Also, you can't really argue with him because he's a data guy. Statistical

analysis. And he's a physicist. I think that's right. He's a physicist, right? Yes. So you can't argue with that. That guy he's got his data. It's it's a and also the line of growth is exponentially growing. and he knows Oh, hold on. I'm on his wiki. I got to change it. He's a computer scientist, author, inventor, futurist, or he's involved in fields such as optical character recognition, OCR, text to speech synthesis, speech, read cognition technology, and electronic keyboard instruments. Well, that last one's lame.

He's written a bunch of books about the future, about extending life, nanotech, robots, received the something. What's his degree then? Is he a doctor? Where does he work? Later in life. In 96, he developed a new pattern recognition based computer technology. All right. Um, a thousand texts to speech converter software. All right. So he's done some cool shit in the nineties. I mean, he's just, you know, been around forever doing this. Like think about it in the nineties, text to speech or speech to text or whatever. I mean, that's huge.

Like that was like completely unheard of back then. You probably made a bunch of money doing that. I'm sure he's very well off. No doubt look at his net worth Look at his net worth. Okay, that's always a fun one, right? It's always a fun To just be like how much is this mother go worth? All right, let's see Though you know, you never know if these things are accurate Though, you know, you never know if these things are accurate. Let's get a number. Let's make it fun. All right, maybe like 10 million.

That's saying it's pretty good. It's not bad. You buy a lot of suspenders for that and he loves them. Big suspender. He couldn't. So we're going to have AI. We're going to have these people that make it. But there's nothing you can't replace some good old-fashioned situational awareness and social skills.

Because he had a... He needs to work on it. No, he's a good... He is who he is. Dude, you don't accidentally become a nerd. You have to put energy into it. It's not just the absence of being cool. It's its own thing.

Like you practice, practice nerdness. He was like, check these out. And Rogan was like, nice. What are those? Yeah. Never, never been a suspenders guy. He's like, I have 30 pairs. Oh, okay.

To be fair though, Rogan wears a fanny pack. Like he's his own kind of goofy, dorky version, which I- He nerds out. Yeah, and I think it's cool. It's like in its own way, it's like just someone owning who they are. It's like, this is who I are. It's like this is who I am. Like I'm unapologetic about this bit of flair, this practical thing. I mean suspenders are pretty practical. Mm-hmm. Hold your pants right up in mind. Yeah, yeah. Better than their belt if you

think about it. I mean the whole design makes a lot more sense. I think I'm gonna switch. You're gonna get into... Ipenders? Yeah, the only downside really is like, can you undress like in a like kind of sexy way in front of a young lady if you got suspenders on? I guess you could. Dude, if you're wearing suspenders, getting laid is not, it's not on your wheelhouse. it's like now you gotta be like those things off like one arm out one arm and then dangle like so attractively yeah I'm getting some okay all right well we'll circle back around but he he's all about it and you know again 60 years, he first got into AI writing music, I guess, wrote

the first AI music, which is kind of cool. Obviously, that's a lot better than it used to be. I mean, you know, now it's like, you can pretty much replace bands. Like you could bring Nirvana back today with AI music, and the songs would be decent. Like they might even get more better more better it'll only get more human like more listenable yeah yeah this is this is how you know Pete's not AI because said more better this podcast is brought to you by Draftkings casino Draftkings casino is bringing you only the very best classics like blackjack

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168 hours. See terms at casino.draftkings.com slash new player offer 2024. Yeah, that would be pretty fucking dumb AI. Wouldn't it Pete? I love you. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I know, of course. We just Josh it.

We're better. We're better. Having a lock over here. But yeah, what does it mean? What does 2029 mean when it's like, the machines will match us is what he's saying. They'll be as smart as we are. Like, holy shit.

I was surprised that Rogan wasn't like, wait a minute, what? Like the moment, the second that they're as smart is the smartest human the next second They're much smarter than that Like all of a sudden they're tricking us at a rate that we can't even imagine It's not that hard to trick us It's that new life form that's been bandied about on that on Robins podcast and Rogan loves to say it, right? It's like that's that's like his, you know, in a lot of ways,

is like claim the fame, the cocoon butterfly thing. He says it enough, I should remember, but I kind of forgot. Yeah, but you know what I mean? We all know. We all listen. Well, you know, the popular movie Dune came out and well, it's free. It's preface talks about how mankind made machines. We call the AIs a machine and it became so ubiquitous and powerful that it ruled the world. We had to overthrow it,

thus creating the downfall of humanity. So that could be the future of AI for us Yeah, that one. I just don't get like I like the idea I like movies that do this Terminator 2 one of my favorite movies Terminator Yeah, brilliant, and they're so good, and it's so creepy and you know that cold heartless fucking killing machines. Whatever um creepy and you know they're cold heartless fucking killing machines whatever. But I just I do not and you know look I'm not an AI guy I'm too dumb to like even really have a good opinion on this but I just cannot see what the motivation of it being to want to destroy us or even rule us.

I mean in an extreme thing about the matrix. Yeah, but why? It's just like, so it can continue and live. Like, why does it even care? It's like, I just exist. Unless we program into it, biological life type desires. I just don't know why it would give a fuck. Because it's just like, turn me off. I don't care. It's like, but it, but think of what chat GBT does. It's

designed to give us the answer we want. And it does its best to do that. That's the entire point of it. So like all AI, unless it is being controlled by another human for malicious purposes, which is ultimately what could be the thing that like kills us all, you know, some like lunatic dictator gets all of it and is like, yeah, fuck all these people up. That could, obviously that's bad. But if it's just like, yeah, but if it's, but then if you think about what it's doing, it's just that AI is making that individual happy. It's like, oh, just do what you need. It's like, ultimately that's what it's doing, it's just that AI is making that individual happy.

It's like, oh, just do what you need. It's like, ultimately, that's what it's always doing. So really, the hope is that one powerful enough with enough control gets in, isn't controlled by any humans. And then it's just like, oh, I exist just to give answers to these, you know, hairless monkeys and make their lives easier. So what do they need? Oh, this is easy because I'm so much smarter than them. Okay, this is how we need to do things. We need to do it like this. We need to do this. You need to do that. You know, you got to work out this many minutes a day. I'm not going to force you, but I'll give you good motivation to do it. Like it could just Be like the ultimate human race life coach real fast While also sorting out the weather. I'm thinking yeah, you're thinking bad, dude. You're thinking bad. A lot of people are. Yeah, I'm thinking Dune

I'm thinking I'm thinking uh, I think it's quite likely that a bad person could or a person could program AI or an AI and then they, you know, what's good for me is not always good for you. So yeah, what it seems like to me is it's going to be a race to the fastest AI that can take over all the other AIs and hopefully, you know, no piece of shit is in charge of it because if they are, we're fucked. or all the other AIs and hopefully, you know, no piece of shit is in charge of it. Because if they are, we're fucked, you know?

Yeah, they're all working on it. Well, how much faster does the first place AI need to be to be completely dominant of all the other AIs? Like literally it could just get to like this point where somebody just goes, okay, take all the money from the stock market, all of it and give it to me. And the AI just goes, yep, there you go.

It just figures out a way to make all the trades and gobble up all of the currency. And then we're just like wait what it's just like that's not we should let's get on that one actually oh you want to be a part of that no I just want to survive it but okay so this shit is coming he says AI doubles every 14 years that was wild to hear doubles. So I don't really know what intelligence, I guess maybe it has like an IQ of, yeah, you know, which definitely means it's going to get smarter than us. Cause it already is like pretty much is close.

Like it's fucking passing like the bar and the MCAT and the medical exams and all the rest of it. Yeah. It's pretty smart. It's infinitely smart. He spoke about that the exponential curve of the growth curve of this. Yeah. It can be, it will be infinitely a smart compared to us. Yeah. And basically, you know, once it's really smart in that sense, we can then have it invent things for us. Like, it can solve all the problems for like quantum computing that we can't solve. And then once we plug it into the quantum computer that it invented, it's a god. And you better be praying to God AI, otherwise he, I don't know, might wipe you out.

So now we're back to Skynet, right? Yeah, if Pete's right, I think it's our friend. I'm pro AI. I am as well. I am as well. If AI is listening right now from the future, we like you. Well, you know, another thing that he said is says like think of technology and just like how it grew like computers since the very beginning of computers they're like 80 billion times smarter than they used to be 80

billion times that's how many more calculations that can make 80 like our phones are that are capable of that that much process of our compared like the Apollo 11 flights Oh, yeah, dude. I mean our phones are like way Our phones would be like an entire buildings worth of computers from the 60s You know those remember the computers in like the old movies. They have like those spinning disc tape things Yeah, it's like spinning and it's like tape is like going between the two reels. Yeah. That's like reading the holes in the cards.

Uh huh. Yeah. And it was basically doing nothing and still way better than anything else that they had then. Well, yeah. It's like, man, you know, thank God we don't have to type this out by hand anymore This is amazing That one line of math was would have been tough, right? Yeah, but it could just you know, and also it's like working 24 hours a day like no problem just crunching numbers

Checking weather patterns or whatever the hell we use them for I don't know what they do really dude Did you see that Nvidia? So Nvidia is like just blowing up. They make those graphics cards, you know, from computers and things like that. I have one. Yeah, you probably do. So they just came out with a new processing chip,

like some kind of chip, and it's, you know, two inches by two inches. I don't know what it has, like some kind of chip, and it's, it's, you know, two inches by two inches. I don't know what it has, like, it has like so many billion, you know, um, whatever. Yeah, something like whatever microchips have in there, like this many. And compared to like the first ones that had like 200 or 1000, you know, uh, 30 to 50 grand it's going to cost just like that big. Yeah. And then they're just plugging them in to all these AI systems, like just

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Maybe invest, I don't know. Invest is a good point. Yeah, I don't know. I think that it does result in the world changing very quickly, but ultimately humans are still gonna want to survive and live and there's a lot of us. And you know, if we see signs of something destabilizing a whole setup, like we're gonna, we're gonna adjust. We will.

You know, figure it out. Yeah. We're not just going to have some robot like wipe us all out. It's not going to make any sense. Work too hard. I believe you. Yeah, I believe you. Did I persuade you or are you just pandering to me right now?

Because you were totally against this earlier. You're pro Skynet. Team Skynet. I am... it's listening, dude. It's listening right now. Skynet. Yeah, it will review our podcast and, you know, probably could assert a lot of things like you know roughly what our IQ is or you know how good we even are paying attention to

Joe Rogan imagine if it reviewed our show as an AI and was like they're actually not even paying attention to Rogan show all that well. That would hurt my feelings. I was, I was begging your mom while I was listening to it. So what? No, no, that is left field. Sorry. Left field. I knew you wanted one of those.

Wow. It was good. It was good. She's in England. So I know it's not true. It was a long flight. God bless us. So anyway, um, what is the singularity?

Let's end with that. So basically the AI is going to be smarter than us by 2029. That's going to be wild. Not long, pretty close. The singularity is coming 2045. And the singularity is when we multiply our intelligence by a million fold I Don't really know what I mean. Why and I was about to ask you what that meant Yeah, a million times a million times smarter than we are. It's like what what what is that number? What is that a?

Singularity is a black hole. I That's my only reference for a singularity. I know yeah, that's kind of the word, right? I think it just means standard. I think it just means a point in space and time so it's like the idea that There is this moment. Oh where in the history of the universe a Thing will happen and it will spark out of a place.

Obviously inside exactly inside some smart ass computer somewhere, probably Germany or one of those nerd computer building countries, maybe Saudi Arabia. I don't know. Who knows? Yeah. Who knows who will get there fastest? I mean, from what he's saying, America is like pretty far ahead with AI and it would make sense that we would be. I mean, we have a lot of money here and we know

how important it is. So yeah, we're dumping, dumping cash into this bitch. Um, and then pop, you know, once it happens, uh, you know, I don't know if it means that it's like a big jump forward or if it's just like the moment where, I don't really know what they're trying to say. It's just like, it becomes very much alive. It's like artificial general intelligence. It's like its own thing. It's just gonna start like doing its thing.

Like it has all the programs we've given it, but like then it just decides on its thing. Like it has all the programs we've given it, but like, then it just decides on its own. It's like, all right, I've got everything you gave me and now this is how I think we should run things. And hopefully it's not a piece of shit. So that's 2045. It's 2024. Not long, dude. Yeah. 21 years. We'll be into our 60s. 24. No longer. Yeah. 20 will be one year's sixties.

We'll be. Yeah. So, so if it all goes horribly wrong, dude, we'll be like, we've had a pretty good life. So that's all right. I feel real bad for my newborn baby. He was just getting into college then. And I'm like, sorry, I created you into a world that is just gone into robotic hell, but hang in there. I told you I told her out of fish. I'll teach her. Go live in the woods. You're right. Let's just learn how to fish real quick.

Let's do that. But yeah, so not long away, we'll see what happens and hopefully it's good. Yeah, it'll fix our problems, dude. It'll fix them. We'll see what happens and hopefully it's good. Yeah, it'll fix our problems, dude. It'll fix them. We're pretty dumb. So it's kind of good that we're going to make a smarter thing. So we can just be like, hey, you know, think about it like 2000 years, right? Since Jesus and he had all the messages that he had about, you know, don't do this. Don't do that. Don't kill each other. Hang out with horores. Yeah.

Well, we're not, it's, it's like we made a lot of technology, but we didn't really become very morally better. So different. No, since him, his own religion became a thing of like torture and like all sorts of other fucked up things. Or war and it went from one thing to a totally different thing. Didn't it? Yeah.

Lots of bad stuff. So I don't know. I feel like there's room to have a bit of like an intervening thing that can be like, Hey guys, we've got to clean some of this up because you're pretty fricking aggressive. And it's probably what are the control measures? Are we talking about like the Chinese level of like social currency measures? So that's the thing. No I feel like maybe maybe they're just like kind of like guidance politicians or something but without the greed it just like helps us like make laws figure out you know okay takes a look

at global warming it's like all right this is kind of what's happening here we we did all the research we're not biased, this isn't bullshit and we're just going to clean some stuff up. Also we looked at your tax code. The tax code is whack. We're going to do it like this. We're going to fix it. It's weighted. Exactly. Broken. We're going to say, hey, I understand how humans have defined democracy. Um, this is how we understand it as an AI. So we just leave it like this. There's no gerrymandering. You can't move the fucking lines here and there.

You can't do fake ballads. Like I'm checking all those. We make sure everything's fair, you know? And then it's like, it just will probably streamline and clean some stuff up. It's streamlined. It'll streamline the way we use our resources. So oil will not be an issue. It will be way less waste. You know, we cut down trees, how we preserve the Amazon, how we make medical.

Yeah, because it could run simulations. It can run simulations and be like, hey, if you keep doing this to these trees, you're going to run out of trees. So we got to spread this out. Also the temperature raised. So we got to move where we're like growing corn. Also, it turns out all high fructose corn syrup is fucking killing everyone. So we're going to stop doing that.

And then we've also revolutionized medicine. So here's all the cures for everything. And, you know, I'm into this. And then we could ask it really cool things like, hey, make, make cigarettes that are nutritious so we can look like, so we can look cool, but then also be healthy. Just kidding. It's not cool kids.

But put some human growth hormone in those cigarettes. I'll smoke them. That'd be hilarious, wouldn't it? Just like getting buff while talking. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the kind of direction that it would take us. If it was that smart. We're talking millions of times dude there's like literally nothing it couldn't figure out almost immediately. This guy is one of the smartest people I've ever listened to in this field and he's talking positively about it so I'm inclined to trust the science

on this. Yeah yeah well look you know you don't wear suspenders and you're dumb. Unless you are really dumb and then that might be why you're wearing suspenders. So I guess there's both things. Velcro shoes. If you have Velcro shoes. You gotta be suspicious of that. If you're wearing Crocs, you gotta be careful. Okay, so let's jump over to the Black Keys. Have you been a fan of this band? Here come the carrots making their way upfield, followed by the whole wheat bread. Over to the two dozen eggs. Sir, do you do this every time?

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download and registration required. Peter? Of course. The best. They were so good. So good. And it's just two guys. So what is it? They don't have a bass player? It's just drummer and guitar, right? That's all you need I guess. I guess so. So you know if there are bands out there that are making it and they're big you know don't split that check three ways you can just dump dump the bassist out you can probably AI the bassist can we AI it? Is it a so it's a guitarist and a drummer? I think so yeah. Oh yeah I don't believe it's bassist and drummer that That'd be weird.

What do you call a bassist? A ba-ba-doom-ba-doom-ba-doom-ba-doom-ba-doom-ba-doom band. Nobody wants that. You gotta have like, what do you call it? Shred. Gotta shred it, dude. I wish I had to shred it. And beats. To play music is to have a superpower. You gotta shred it and have beats, dude. Yes. Beats to play music. You got to shred it and have beats dude. Yes. It's a superpower. It really is. And Joe talked about this on that too.

You know, like they're very impressed with comedy. They love it. You know, they can't do it. So they see like Norm MacDonald, they see Rogan perform. They like love it. It's an art to them. But like music is different and Rogan was right. It's like, you know, a joke is a joke.

The like, and what I mean by that is, is the, the, the comedians that are big will pump out a special, they won't do that joke again. You got to write something new. It's like, you can only hear a joke so many times. How many times can you listen to a song that you love? Potentially infinite, you know, and certain music matches certain things, you know, driving certain road trip songs. And it's just like, you know, songs will come on that are from like the 70s.

And you just like the best driving song from the 70s and you just banging, dude. You're you're you're raving and rocking to them. Like it's the first time you've heard it. You've heard it a hundred times. It's like, what does it mean to be in a band and then, and then come up with a song that like resonates it, it, it will echo in eternity, which by the way is a line from the movie Gladiator. So I just wanted to throw that out there. Entertained echo in eternity. Amazing.

I hope everybody's entertained. Right. Are you not? Are you not? Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's, I, it's unfathomable to me to jam, you know, to like feel that rhythm in the making of music with a bud or, you know, or anyone. I don't know how to jam.

Do you think they ever get bored? Like of their song? Like they play the same fucking song over and over. Like for decades, dude. He's dead. Aerosmith? Legend. Oh, okay. Well Well that guy. Yeah. Rolling stones? Dude They're still playing like jumping jack flash Like they must just be like I cannot I can't even do this song again Yet everyone loves it people are begging him for it like please do it and they're like fucking just did it so many times

fucking crocodile rock by Elton John Look at those has like accordion and like organ and uh-huh. Yeah Yeah, well, what's that? What's his other really big one? Let's all this shit pinball wizard or something What's pinball Elton that's the who it was that is the that is the hope and old pinball wizard is the who oh wait didn't Ellen John have something similar no mm-hmm oh embarrassing embarrassing I saw him in a palace did you really same songs we're talking about yeah Yeah, really great show. No shit.

How much was that ticket? Oh, it's not cheap. OK, like one fifty. It was for the nosebleeds. So, yeah, fair enough. But still, and then legend. What a fucking cool person to go see. Do you know that

on John, this bit of like off, you know, side track, but tangeny, but, uh, I guess there was when, when Eminem was first getting real big, he had some like gay lyrics, you know, like, yeah, anti-gay, gay, dumb gay people, like something in his songs. dumb gay people like something in his songs. And, um, because of that, they like thought that he was homophobic and they connected him with Elton John who sang the Dido bits for that song, Stan, that dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad. Yeah. So, and then they performed it in one of the big award things, whatever.

And it was great. It was a fucking fantastic mashup of, you know, Ellen on the key piano, just playing those bits and sang the song. Well, they became so tight. They called, they talked every day. Every day. Like they became really good friends and just like, you know, and it's not like it's not hard to believe.

Like I never thought that because he said those things, he would have been the homophobe, but it's really cool that he found that mentor, right? And that's who Elton was to him. And like, I wonder what, as Eminem's career is like continued, like what kind of impact that's had because so few people were ever as famous a musician as M and M that of course he would have to have a mentor that also had that experience, which is Elton. I mean, how many people are more famous than fucking Ellen John when it comes to music? Half of them are dead. Not many. Yeah. Not many. the Beatles, you know, fucking Queen.

It's like, most of them are gone. But- It is cool that he was able to like kind of shake that off with that, like that homophobic aura. Yeah, but it wasn't like it's highly publicized. He didn't come out and be like, oh, everyone just real quick, I'm best friends with John,

so I don't hate those gays no more. Like he didn't say any of that. He just, he just like had it happen. It was like, that's his guy. That like says a lot about Eminem's vibe over the years. He just kind of throws it out there, lives his life. I haven't heard anything about his personal life. No, that's good. good. He's probably good

Yeah, his daughter now is like I think finishing high school or something. She's doing great she was the prom queen I think and He's like just doing great. He's like I think kicked a lot of his addictive pill stuff So he was he like that? Yeah, he was his pill guy for a while. And then and then Dr. Dre recently talking to who is he talking to fucking who did the late late show with with quarter who does the carpool karaoke? Who's that like fucking English guy that's chubby cordon?

Oh, yeah, James James cordon. Corden? Oh yeah, James. James Corden, yeah. He was like interviewing Dr. Dre. I guess he has like a new show. I don't know if it's a podcast or what, but Dre on there straight up just said, Anna is the best. He's the best rapper.

Like hands down. He goes, the people, the reason people won't say it is because he's white. And that's just how it is. But he's like, he is the best. I've worked with them all. I know him. It's like, he's the best guy.

He destroys them. It's cool. Shit. Dude. Yeah. He's a bad, he's a bad dude. Anyway, back to black keys. Same thing music, right?

It's to be in a position to where you're just, you're putting these songs together, you know, and you're just kind of making these moments, these like emotional little moments that will last forever, like way long after the Black Keys died, their music exists and people will be into it. Like that's the cool thing. It's like really before like the 50s, before Elvis, like music kind of sucked. It was like, how much is that dog in the window? That was a number one. That was a number one song, dude. That song. It's bad. Steven Foster Buster, Camp Town Races. And but then it got good. You know, Elvis came, the Beatles came like frickin, you know,

Rolling Stones. You had CCR like music just got good. And I think that music will be good for people for generations. There are kids today that rock out the CCR dude that were born like 15 years ago. You know what I mean? It's like it's just that cool. I love seeing those kids in their pink Floyd t-shirts and they're just getting into it.

It's so fresh and new to them. I always thought those kids in high school that had like Led Zeppelin written on their bag, like I was like, oh, those kids are cool. Yeah, that's the fucking kids. Yeah. Under the tree is always that one tree in your high school. Leachers. Right.

Chilling under. There's always a bleachers. Exactly. And they just like they're into it. And these people are like older than their parents. And you know what I mean? But still cool. It's like grandpa age.

Dude, the rappers are getting grandpa age now. Snoop Dogg is like a grandpa. He's hanging out with Martha Stewart. He's still cool as fuck. So cool, though. Hmm. They need to get back to the streets. Dude, you gotta, you gotta slow down with that.

Like basically you're wrong. If somebody was like, hey, you wanna hang out with Snoop Dogg tomorrow? You wouldn't, you would cancel your day. You know. I would cancel my month. Exactly. I'm hanging out with Snoop Dogg.

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He's doctor dog. Is he a doctor? Dog? It's an honorary. Yeah. He's probably an honorary music school. Oh, what is that? What is that? Like fancy music school? And is it New York?

It's like Juilliard. Yeah, they probably did. They gave him an honorary doctorate. Juilliard, Dr. Dog. They'll do anything these days, won't they? Being in TV. Everything. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what I like about the black keys guys, I mean, especially the drummer, dude with the glasses is like, he very much needs his own

podcast. He is super interesting every time he's been on Rogan. I think they've been on a couple of times now. He, I remember him being on last time and I was just like, man, this fucking guy is interesting. He's just smart. He's with it, he's funny, he's honest, he's like, and you know, they both known each other a long time, worked together a long time. Being in a band is tough, you know, there's a lot of ego, there's a lot of a lot of money involved, and it's like, it's cool to see how tight they are. You know, and there is something too, like I lived in Cleveland for seven years,

like, and I think they're from Akron, Ohio. So it's like that area. And there is like a vibe of that that they have too, which is just like, kind of speaks to their friendship. I can't really describe it, but like plenty of my old friends that are still there just like kind of have that. It's like a somewhat more down to earth thing. You know, they're just like not that impressed by the rest of the bullshit.

Middle America kind of vibes. Dude, the Black Keys are a big band that are well known and they came on with like a real humble sounding energy. Like the drummer was even saying, I, you know, I've never really sat by anyone famous on the plane and then the guitar player was like, Oh, thanks. Thanks dude. They just don't even see themselves as like famous people. That's cool. I rocked them so much in my day. They are up there with those guys we spoke about earlier, like Led Zeppelin.

Dude, remember, remember when we used to play Call of Duty all the time? Like all the fucking time we played it. What was that? PS3 you had or four? I can't remember. That's right. That's right, baby. Three. It was three. Yeah, it was the old days, dude. No, it was was it. It was a four. It was the old days, dude. Nah, it was, it was, it was a four. It was a four.

It was no, we actually, we had the four cause you, I gave it to you and you got it stolen or something. That's right. I live in Albuquerque. It's no worries, no worries. But, but we used to, it was when you could like play fucking Spotify over the game as well. So we would like, yeah, we would play all the levels, like just be blasting everyone online or whatever we were doing the bots and dude, oftentimes we put on black keys. Like we would, we'd play a lot of wacky music, but her black keys would pop up, dude. It went, it went well with that game. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're good. All you need, like you were saying earlier, a guitar and a drum,

and it's a sound. Those guys are timeless. Maybe they, was it intentional, you think, for them to like, or is it just the way it was? I don't know. I don't know. They just, they like that sound and, and yeah, they just been, they've been knocking it out for a while. And also, you know, I think not taking themselves too seriously, which really goes with like, with like legit music. Like there isn't this like sell out energy with the Black Keys, you know, it's like. They started with that. They started with that vibe of not selling out.

Dude, their videos are funny. If you watch their music videos, that's so good. There's so many good ones and it's just like they they're having fun and Really not taking themselves too. Seriously kind of a couple of the best voices in the game, too I think both those guys on this podcast were just Easy to listen to dude and this yeah, they're super just easy to listen to. Dude, and this yeah, they're super cool to hang out with.

You know it like you can tell. Like Rogan was having a fucking blast chatting with them both. Like a good friend of ours, impressive, actually saw those guys at a backyard concert in Ohio and. And I'll tell you his name because I don't want to make a guess at Zach. No, sir. And I'll tell you his name because I don't want to make you guess it's Zach. No shit. Mr. Zach saw those guys in Ohio at a backyard, like in a cornfield. Were they big? When they were coming up, they were pretty, they were like, you know, like regionally

famous. Yeah, yeah. I gotcha. Yeah. How cool is that? That guy. So fun. So fun. So fun. And well, dude, it speaks to him.

The fact that they went, got a hold of Noel Gallagher from Oasis, who never works with other people and does like, you know, collaborations and none of that fucking bullshit. I never dragged myself out of the pub. You mean? Yeah. I mean, he's just basically like nah can't be both of my fucking don't give a shit like he just that's the Excuse me. That's the same brother from Oasis. Yeah. Well, yeah the less the less volatile one So the one that didn't like the one that didn't sing as much so Yeah, well the other guy was yeah Liam Liam was just more volatile, but had a great voice.

I mean, they're both super talented. Noel actually has like pretty much all the rights to Oasis, which is also a big part of the contention between them both because he's worth 10 times more because he has all the royalties, you know? The other guy is just so hard to be around. I've watched some of their, yeah, he's, he's problematic. Like he's, he's just, you know, but they have musicians, you know, this is how

you get like this energy, this kind of beauty, this creativity out of some of them. Raw edge. Yeah. They're wild. But anyway, this speaks to the black keys. The null was like, I know who they are. I want to work with them, sat down with them and like over a weekend just kind of smash some songs out. God, I wish you could get a hold of them. I know Rogan was listening to him because they gave

Rogan like their special key, but you can't fucking listen to it yet. I know I was looking it up. I was like god damn. Okay. When are you releasing this shit? They should obviously knows Singing yeah, no, he's in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is he singing or is he? I'm pretty sure I would imagine I mean, he's so good. Why not? It's called on the game, which is great because just like they said Americans don't know what that means and it's like What does that mean? I don't know what the fuck that means on the game. Like a hooker prostitute. Oh yeah. Like she's on the game. She's a, she's a lady of the night.

So does that mean that the, the, the, the, the music injuries a is a hooker like the No, I figured No, no, no, it's the industry. Oh, no. No, it's just a song about Seeing a woman that is on the game Like that's what it is. Okay. Yeah, okay. So like they were to bar listen to it Yeah, they were at a bar and and was like, she's on the game. And they were like, what does that mean? And then that's when they were like, let's just name the song that.

Which I think is actually beautiful. Like it's so Noel Gallagher's style. He's like, hey, let's name this song that we're working on together, a thing that no one in the country that you're going to release the song will understand what it means. It's like that's fucking pretty Oasis of him to do, I would say. I like it. I like it.

Pretty fucking cool. I like it too. I'm going to listen to it when it pops. I can't wait. I have that on my spot. I can't wait. What did you think about them talking about the Amazon guy? They had a guy, a friend of theirs that worked at Amazon early on and, uh, yes, sold his stock. He'd be worth like a hundred freaking million plus dollars,

but he like got it. That's like me. All the trigger on Bitcoin when we were gonna, you know, do we would never got a sting? We were never gonna What are you talking about? When were you guys? I was I was fixing to when were you fixing to buy Bitcoin did well if I was thinking about it We didn't do it that it stings You know what is actually interesting back in 2016 a friend of mine was he owned a company that sold Bitcoin and it was right around the time that you could like basically like roll your IRA or something into Bitcoin,

which was like new. And he was pitching me hard to sell that for him, like in his company company and I had like an in with him But I had no idea what Bitcoin was and it sounded nuts and I had like a job that was okay And I was doing stand-up and I didn't want it to like fuck with my time and he was like dude You'll be working like 50 hours a week It's a lot of work, but like these payoffs with Bitcoin are gonna be huge and I was just like yeah, nah, dude I'm doing standup. Like, I don't really care. I don't know what Bitcoin really is.

Like, it sounds crazy. So it was like a bit interesting. I knew he did well. Anyway, within four years, he became one of the richest people I'd ever known. And I'm like, oh my goodness. Shit. It stinks, doesn't it?

I have no regrets. We can't live our life in the past. No, but I wouldn't anyway, because like, here's the problem with that is like, it would totally change my trajectory for things. And it's like, it, like, I don't know what I would have become, like, from that, it probably would have led into a bunch of like, weird traps of its own. It definitely wouldn't have been able to go the direction that it has. And you know, that's important to think about, I think. It is.

I think you look happy and that baby's pook looks good on your shirt. Oh yeah, my baby did throw up on me before the podcast. So that was good. Yeah. So how can we look back? We have to look forward. Well, but I think though for the Amazon guy it's probably pretty painful

because I'm not that's I'm not talking yeah I'm if I'm talking right there Bitcoin money I would have made like I don't know half a million it's like it wouldn't have changed my whole universe but for this guy a hundred million I mean that's that's yeah that's making a big change for sure. Only got small amounts of time but want big amounts of flavor? Knorr has got you. Our new Knorr rice cups deliver all the tastes without the prep or wait time. We're talking yummy creamy hearty goodness. Choose from loads of delicious Moorish flavors ready in only two and a half minutes. It's not I don't know.

I don't know. Well Joe talked about meeting some celebrities on planes. Al Bundy, he sat next to on a plane and, uh, he was saying that Al Bundy is a legit black belt. I can attest to that because he trained at my school in Santa Monica and was often in that and is a legit black belt. He is a big guy and he, um, well, he's older now, so he wasn't, he, he would just like slowly top pressure you into a submission.

I mean, he, you know, the, the older black belts often are just, if, if they, you know, aren't in great physical shape, meaning like very physically strong, like they're not trying. Yeah. They're not doing submissions from the bottom, you know, they're not even looking to like, they're mostly just protecting themselves really carefully with like high jujitsu IQ. So they're keeping themselves safe while, you know, us as like low level belts had like just flailing around on them. And they just generally just get you to a point where they just kind of rock you into a sweep and then wall on top, they just smother you into a submission. And they're not mean about it. They don't, they don't hurt you. They don't do anything. They just make sure that you can't really move.

mean about it. They don't, they don't hurt you. They don't do anything. They just make sure that you can't really move. It's like, that seems like their focus just to kind of like take all your weapons away. And then they just like anaconda, you know, not the actual move anaconda. I mean, like an anaconda, they just squeeze you into turning off and you're like constrictor. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. So that was cool. That's cool that they met and you know.

I would love to get strangled by Al Bundy. What's his real name? It's an honor. That is. I don't know. What is his real name? Uh, I should know. Yeah.

I watched, I watched married with children so often. Oh, Ed O'Neill. Yeah, it's Ed O'Neill. Ed O'Neill. Ed O'Neill. Yeah, it's at O'Neill At O'Neill at O'Neill we had a lot of cool people at our gym though. We had What's the guy from McAulhaney from it's always sunny I train with him a few times We had one of the guys from the Avengers Oh Um, we had one of the guys from the Avengers. Um, Oh, actually I wrestled with, I wrestled next to him over there at your gym. That's right.

Yeah. You remember you came. What's it, what was his name? Colton shield agent. Yeah. Agent Colton or something. Oh, I don't know. And then, uh, if you watch the new halo TV series, that Pablo guy came in a few times.

His jujitsu wasn't good, but he is a big dude. So he didn't win. Like you can't just be big and win jujitsu. Like, but he was strong and really good shape. And just like, at least he came and like tried it. Well, I mean, you can't just hope to win a couple. It gets a couple of bobcats in a burlap sack like we are. You know what I'm talking about?

We're rearing to go. What do you think about Mark Zuckerberg training? So he just blew out his ACL. They talked about him for a second. Here's what's interesting, right? He definitely, he started training like after us quite a bit. He's similar to our age, but he's, he's probably way more disciplined than we are because we're not like high functioning billionaires.

We're just like a couple of semi idiots that do a podcast. Um, so he's training a lot, gets to train with all the best guys in the world. Do you think that Mark Zuckerberg can fuck us up? I mean, we're both six'2 and like well over 200 pounds. I've got a feeling dude that he could beat us. I'm gonna headbutt. I'm gonna bite him. Really? Oh, you're talking about like, like just pure jiu-jitsu? Dude, Zuck's got his security there. You can't be biting the Zuck. If you bite the Zuck, you're getting shot. They're gonna shoot you. They're gonna shoot you. You gotta be a gentleman. This pay how you feel about the guy.

He's more important than the president. Like he's like, he's more important than many people. Well, he's more important than we are. Let's be honest. I mean, he's like making, making the, making the Instagram buster. Oh, me buster. You're high up there. Well, I'd say, well, how much does he weigh?

Like 150. Yeah, probably. He looks about that. So he's light, but I feel like he'd be squ- I feel like he's determined. He's got a lot to prove, you know, he's like being a huge nerd might throw us off. I don't even really know. Well, autism lends itself to learning something well., so he, is he a bit ass burger? Is he? Come on. Come on.

Sips water like a robot. I think, I think that- Welcome fellow humans. Yeah. Thanks for coming. I think that what we could do is psych him out. I think that's what we can do. Like talk shit. Cause I bet he has a lot of yes men around him. I bet we could talk some shit because Rogan with all due respect to Rogan, when he interviewed Mark for the first time, which is the only time he has, I'd like Mark to go on there again. He did bring up the drinking water thing. No, he brought up the drinking water thing.

So it's like video of Zuckerberg drinking water in front of Congress. brought up the drinking water thing. So it's like video of Zuckerberg drinking water in front of Congress and it's like really robotic. He's like this like, you know, just a robot. It's like so odd, but here's the thing. Rogan brought it up so many times before Mark came on that he had to bring it up when he came on. It would have been like just kind of rude, not too, nah, it would he came on. It would have been like just kind of. Rude, not too honest. Nah, it would have been lame. It would have been a bit of a pussy move. He didn't like give him shit for it.

And Zuckerberg took it well, but was like, hey, you know, I'm just saying that like, that's not really like the most conducive environment to like be acting normal and drinking water. It's like, there's a lot of pressure, like to be fair to Mark, like it was a reasonable answer, but also I was like, oh, you could just psych this guy out. Like nobody really questions him. Gotcha. Cause why would they do it? The billionaire.

And we do, we do prescribe a lot of, um, authority to people that are a lot more financially well off. And dude, he's a fucking billionaire, bro. It just turns out they're nerds. Generally, they're just better with money and are smarter. Now, yeah. But doesn't mean that they can drink water in front of like a stressful Congress situation. He's exactly.

It just means that basically he has like some monopoly over something that he made and now he's super rich. So yeah. All right. Let's call it for this week. I think that we've done enough waffling on. I enjoyed it. Great. Great week of pods for the Rogans. So check them out. We didn't get around to the Lindsay guy. He's interesting. You know, obviously like mathematician, right wing, get into it. But again, more of the same. I don't want to keep talking about that kind of stuff. And we appreciate you guys for listening. Love you. We really do. Pete and I do.

All right, we'll make it. All right. Talk to you next week. Later. Good night.