Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 403 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Brigham Bruhler Et al.

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

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Might need to be the worst podcast, but the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. I'm Adam, I'm the host. And then there is Rachel, the co-host. I'm just here.

Just the other person for me to talk to. Thanks for being here. You're so welcome. Ah, what a good week of Rogan's. We're gonna break the week up into a couple of episodes because I wanna focus on Adesanya and do kind of an MMA one towards the end of the week. But it's been a lot going on in the UFC world

and I'll do that one on my own because Rachel will not be interested in it. You're not gonna be that interested in it. I'll watch it sometimes but yeah. I'll give you a break with that don't worry. Thanks. I'll give you a break. But who we got this week we got Bring in Brula from Ways to Wellness legend he's out there making a difference. And then, uh, poor Rizzoli, the, dare I say complete wacko that lives in the Amazon. And I don't really mean wacko. Like if he spoke to him, you'd be like, that guy's crazy. I just mean, he seems very normal actually.

And, and got great stories, but the things he does are true. They have to be borderline insane. Yeah. It's certainly someone that is not too concerned about his own wellbeing and safety. I don't know. I mean, I think it just, well, we'll get into the, their episode at the, you know, in a bit, but yeah,

it just went from crazy to crazier and just- It's wild, right? His life just seems like, you know, they talk about that type 2 fun It's like that's not really my thing Like I just like to have regular fun, but he seems like too fun. You don't know like type 2 diabetes You never heard of type. They'll lose a foot but it's for a different reason You've never heard of type 2 fun? No. So it's like a fun that's like a lot of work. Like when you go on like hiking Mount Everest,

that's type two fun. It's not fun in the moment, but you enjoy the thrill of having done it like after the fact. Yeah. Like very physically demanding, like environmentally stressful. I can see that.

It's called type two fun. The closest I've probably got to that is jujitsu. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of exercise maybe falls in that category. I mostly focus on type one fun though, I think. Same, yeah, I'm like, I just wanna have fun like right now all the time. That's an easy way.

All right, let's start over with Brigham. I just wanna start with, I was blown away with how much I learned from this guy, but from a lot of the Rogan episodes. This guy, I mean, this is his second time on. Yeah, he's been on a few times, I think, maybe more. You know, I did listen to the first one, even though I wasn't, you know, kind of reviewing it with you, but just so much information comes out of this man.

He's just like this encyclopedia of information in terms of the healthcare system, the insurance system, all of these things, and just been blowing my mouth, my jaws on the floor basically with every statistic that he drops. I'm like, is this real? Like, is he serious? I think that's why it's so important he comes on because people do not realize the state of the healthcare industry. And also what it means if you're somebody, you know, a small company that wants to get into this. I mean, there used to be small family owned pharmacies everywhere.

You know, you knew your pharmacist. It was just like, oh, that's, that's, you know, pharmacist Joe. And, you know, he's taken care of your whole family for 20 years. And now if it isn't a Walgreens or a Walmart or Target or wherever we go, which is like big stores these days, you know, those places just don't exist. And it's because of all the bureaucracy that goes into it and the payments can come at different times

and they can really just stretch them out. And who knows where the pressure for this really is coming from, you know, is this an insidious play just from the insurance companies? Is this pressure from the bigger box stores that are saying, hey, put pressure on these little guys who want to buy them out. We want to move in and strap them. But what's wild about it is ultimately Brigham realized, hey, a lot of these medications are not that good for you anyway. Right? This isn't the way I want to help people. So now he goes into you know the

stem cells and these other things that he's done in these but at the same time the FDA is still pushing back against him on that even though he's like as clean as a whistle with all of the procedures that he throws out. And yeah, so he does a lot of what's the like, like, um, uh, what's the word peptides and hormonal therapy? I believe so. He does, um, like, you know, like a lot of glucose testing. So just like more holistic, I'd say type wellness and, you know and encouraging people obviously to change their diets and their exercise and sort of do like maybe some extreme elimination diets and things when they're having problems.

And it's the success that he sees and the goals that he talks about having, like incorporating, he talked about incorporating all of the technology that he uses to be like a vertical system. So instead of, you know, the software that most pharmacies use or most healthcare systems use, it's literally just to get paid by insurance. And you see that when you go to the doctor, it's like they're taking notes in order to have insurance pay for that visit. If they don't follow the rules exactly, then insurance isn't gonna do it. And there's the, I've even heard people tell stories of,

oh, they wrote this on my notes, even though I didn't tell them. And it was because the doctor wanted to do something and they have to justify it to the insurance company. The doctor wants to give you a blood test and they have to say, patient complained about X, Y, Z. And one of my close friends is a physical therapist and she talks about that too.

There's things she just like literally can't do unless it's covered by insurance or unless these specific words come out of her patient's mouth, she's not allowed to treat in a certain way. And it's just really unfortunate that providers and experts and doctors don't have the authority to just like treat on how they feel is necessary. They have to treat on what the insurance company's paying

for. Well, it's a massively convoluted game now. That's a balance between insurance companies that are always trying to get out of paying something, doctors that are trying to make sure they get paid, but also not getting trouble. And then ultimately a lot of people getting sued. Right? Whereas if you take the British health care service, which is the NHS National Health Service, has its own problems, right? Yeah. It, you know, it often runs out of money. Its budget isn't as high, you know, it's paid for by the government. Sometimes there's longer waits, but they've taken out these like inflated prices

that, you know, medicines can charge. Therefore, insurance doesn't need to come in with these co-pays and put all this extra pressure. People aren't constantly trying to sue their doctors because it just doesn't work like that in that country. So yeah, there's a mess over here. And... So what he talked about wanting to do, his intention with his company, with Waste Wellness, is to have a vertical system.

And so essentially as someone comes in and they start talking about, they're treating the problem, not just the symptoms. So that people, all of the specialists are able to see the notes and the history and the, what's the word? Like the things that they have prescribed to them or issued, you know, or requested of the patient over many, many years, as long as they've been working with this Ways to Wellness group. And I mean, if you think about it, like what other way would you want your health care?

Would you want your health care provider to only see notes that you came in with? Right. Unless you're trying to, you know, work the system. I mean, there would maybe be a time and place for that. But like, you know, if you're like, yeah, I have this long history of like physical pain and, you know, headaches and this and this and this, and then you go to a doctor and they're only looking

at the symptoms you have that day and they're not actually looking at the whole picture and what other doctors have tried. It's like, that's why you have to be your own advocate. And that's, you know, like it's absolutely exhausting to go through the healthcare system right now so I have a lot of respect for this goal that that he has over trying to have this vertical system I really am excited to see if it you know comes to life oh for sure I mean let's highlight

some of the things that he was saying when he was speaking in front of the Senate we can play a little clip of that and we'll see how long this goes. I'll start with this. I've heard so many times the healthcare system's broke. The healthcare system's broke. And I want to be clear as day. The healthcare system's not broke. It's rigged. And we're the ones fitting the bill. If we if we look at what's happening in this country and we look at the chronic disease crisis that we're facing and you peel back the layers to the onion you realize that the cost is much more than the dollars and cents and we could get into the dollars

and cents. I could tell you that health care is the number one budgetary concern for the federal government at 25 percent. It's in the top. It's the number one budgetary concern for most states. It's the number one reason for bankruptcy in our nation for individuals. But the costs are much more dire than that. They're paid in human lives, loved ones, friends, and family. As the brother of a victim to the opioid crisis, the son to a victim of the diabetes crisis, and a sibling to a victim of the mental health crisis, I can

tell you that the stakes are not only real, but they're personal. And I would implore you next time you have the privilege of having dinner with your family, look around the table and ask yourselves when you look into their eyes, what you would give to have another year with that family member, another month of health and happiness and joy and memories and moments. Because that was something that was taken from my family. Yeah, let's start with that. I mean, the clip that I'm looking at is just a YouTube one. You can look it up just from his name and it shows him there at the Senate. It's like four and a half minutes long, but you know, he makes, he makes a compelling opening statement and he's a good

speaker. He was barely looking at his notes. Also, I highly recommend looking up the clip because he in his closing statement, he had some I mean, the words that he said literally gave me goosebumps how he closed his argument to the Senate about what was happening and like talking about how it's not a right problem, it's not a left problem. It's just this issue that we that it's hitting a left problem, it's, you know, just this issue that we... Oh, it's hitting everybody. It's hitting everyone. And until we identify that, you know, we can't make any progress until we identify that it's

truly like this epidemic that's going on. Right. But yeah, he made some statistics that were just crazy. We lose more people a year to chronic disease than we have in all of the wars ever. See, that is insane. That's insanity to listen to. Yeah. Now, obviously, we can even with the best health and the best medicine, we can't stop

the oldest people dying. People are going to die. And those old people die of something. And it still will be things like a certain type of cancer, I guess, unless we just cure all cancers, but you know, it'd be their heart will fail and it doesn't necessarily have to be a failure of them in their life or the healthcare system, but I think what he's pointing out is we could drastically reduce those numbers. Right. Right. Just massively so.

And then he also talked about that the pharmaceutical companies have a budget of $8 billion a year in advertising spend. That's significantly higher than the FDA's budget. They're like 75% of all advertising dollars in the US or something like that on TV. It's huge. It's so gross. And here's the problem with that is

you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to know that the shows that they advertise on will not speak, all those stations will not speak against these companies. Right. And a lot of these ads go on those news stations. Yeah. You know, and they're not highlighting the problems that these companies create

because they pay for everything. Why would they? Yeah. Well, and I think the point that he's making there is like, you know, all of this, they're spending all this money to advertise these drugs that are treating symptoms again, kind of goes back to that. Like they're treating a symptom that a patient walked into a doctor and said, I'm having this problem or, you know, they were neglected in primary care because there's a shortage of primary care providers, like one in three people, like can't get access to a primary care provider, something along those lines. And you know, I see that in my daily life. It was really

hard for me to find a primary care provider when I was in my twenties that I really liked listened to me. That wasn't just like, Oh yeah, but you know, flu shot, blah, blah, blah, get your whatever. And off you go. And when you're something hurts or whatever, then you come in and we treat just that, right? We don't help you prevent it. We don't look at your lifestyle. We don't look at your nutrition. We don't look at any of those things. Yeah. I mean, a doctor will not say to the patient or rarely, you need to lose weight. You need to go on a diet. Maybe they're doing it now because they have the ozempic and they're basically saying, Hey, I can give you this, you lose weight. But for a while that was, it was like,

oh, your feet hurt, okay, try this, I'll put this cream on it. Whereas- Buy some special shoes, you know. Being overweight is like the leading cause of basically all diseases. Yeah. It's that comorbidity is the most dire one.

Right. And the more you make excuses for it, because it is a range, right? You're not gonna have someone that's just a few pounds overweight and be like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, sound the alarm, we need to lose, drop that weight. But if you've been looking after somebody as their primary care doctor for a decade,

and you've seen considerable weight changes, like that needs to be a priority because you know which way that goes. Right. Right, they know this. And small changes go a long way. Right. And during the pandemic,

we've had this discussion a lot. I was working in healthcare during the pandemic and so the whole vaccine issue is a hot topic for us. Like, you know, how many boosters did you end up getting? You know, like we, like the, the whole world that I was living in was you got to get it right away. You got to do the right thing. You got to help all these sick and old and fat people basically that are living in. I was working in assisted living, like, but the reality is, is what you've honestly convinced me of this is that the problem with

the message they were sending was that it was going to fix the problem. But the real problem was these comorbidities of being obese and being unhealthy and diet and exercise lacking in most of people in our country. And if they that never once was mentioned, it was like, stay home, get the vaccine. Don't breathe on each other. Never once did it say, do workouts at home, eat more lean meats and vegetables, cut out the processed foods.

Not once was that a message that was like, that's actually gonna keep people from dying. It was like, just take this magic vaccine and it's gonna fix it all. Well, it was like, just take this magic vaccine and it's going to fix it all. Right. It was like order fast food because we've closed all the rest of the restaurants. Yeah. It was like, stay home, don't move,

sit on the couch kind of thing. And we're running out of food at the grocery store. So it was like almost going in the opposite direction of, you know, promotion of this like better lifestyle than we needed. Another big one that really got me, and it got me early on, was that they connected lack of vitamin D to many of these diseases.

So that's a hormone, chemical that you need, and some people in the population just had low vitamin D, in fact, a lot of people do. And it was a primary nutrient that you need to keep away this virus that was making people that sick. That one's a quick fix. I mean, I do appreciate that people that are overweight,

one, they don't wanna hear the message, and two, it was hard for them to lose weight, that's how they got there. All of a sudden, is COVID like it was hard for them to lose weight. That's how they got there. Right. All of a sudden is COVID enough of a motivation for them, maybe some of them to lose some weight. But just eating a tiny little pill that is cheap as hell and they could have given to every American for basically nothing, or at least just focused on the people that were most likely to be sick or most likely to have really low vitamin D, you know, people that live in food deserts

or poor areas around cities. Give everyone that. Yeah. And it could have made this big difference. But the whole point is the structure of medicine now, you know, like you were saying is just like you go in, they look at one thing, they put a band-aid on it, they're not looking at root causes, they don't even have your whole file, and then you go home. What Brigham's talking about is like a whole outlook. They're

looking at you directly, they're not just saying, oh, if most people have blood pressure here, take their statin. He's looking at all these biomarkers. And that would be the same thing that if they focused on COVID in that same way, so many more lives would have been saved. Yeah. And I think we've said, I feel bad we've said the name of his business wrong. It's Ways to Well, not Ways to Wellness, Ways to Well. And I'm looking at the website now and you know, on the homepage it's comprehensive blood work,

cancer detection, stem cell therapy, weight loss from sema glutein, recovery peptides, I mean that's just on the main page. Brain health seems to be more of it. Like there seems to be so many services that they offer that if you walked into your primary care physician for your like annual wellness, like to maintain your insurance or whatever it is,

they would be like, no, we're not doing that. Like we're not doing any of those things. You're not showing any symptoms of these things. So we're just going to wait until you start feeling like you're dying and then we'll determine that you have cancer, you know? It's like, God, why can't it be easier? It's so gross.

And you know, my question is, when I was listening to him talk about this, like what are the costs, right? Like, I think, you know, there's, how do I say this? Like there's already a huge cost to having health insurance. What is the cost differential between having health insurance and like,

do having basically secondary healthcare take care of all of your problems. Like once you start to show major signs of having an issue or having symptoms, what is the difference between that and just taking it in your own hands? Right. And using all of these like pay per service things. Um, you know, it's funny, like when I think of these services, they obviously go deeper in there, but you remember those like, or that, like the IV places where you go in and they're like, well, we offer this kind of therapy and we offer IV therapy and we offer this

and we offer supplements and it's like, you can go in there literally just to get one IV and be expecting to pay a hundred dollars and all of a sudden it's $2,500 before you leave. And so it's like, not everyone can afford those types of things, so like at what point is this like a markup type business was sort of going through my head at the same time? I do feel like these services are maybe more or are likely more beneficial than

a typical healthcare service. Well, but okay, say they find something that's really wrong. You spend three grand to find out you have cancer. Well, then you gotta figure out how to treat it. I mean, I see what you're saying, you know, and I think it is, you gotta be careful if you buying packages that are like cupping and a lot of, you know, head massaging creams and they're putting cucumbers on your eyes and they're just spraying you with oils and mist and putting stones, hot stones on your chest and praying over you to like get rid of, you know, that align your chi or whatever.

Like you can go down the rabbit hole for sure. And in a way, I think those Ivy places are a bit like that. Some of the stuff that they offer is like, what are we paying for? But elements of it are pretty decent. What I like about what he does, and I mean I'm looking at some of the things that he does, so for like, it's like 550 bucks, they do a blood draw to Labne, use 68 biomarkers analyzed,

digital biomarker report, personalized health protocol creation. I mean it's gonna tell you a lot about your genes, kind of your DNA, that sort of thing. Mm hmm. And you can use that information could be really important in the future as more and more of this type of medicine is done. I mean, you already have, you know, that information in front of you.

I really like that the prices are just very upfront too. Like, you know, it's very clear. There's no hidden fees necessarily. Yeah, like you've got to log in and create an account and they send you a quote and see if they can upsell you. And it's like, well, it starts at 500 and 50. It's like, it seems like that's the price, you know? You can really just say, okay, well, this month, this is what I want to do like that's the price, you know, and you can really just say, OK, well,

this month, this is what I want to do to set myself up for health success in the future. That being said, you know, Brigham also talked a lot about, like, there's very small changes you can make that go a long way with your health. And this is things that anyone that's in the health and wellness industry will tell you cut out so to go for a walk, right? You know eat just change cut out one thing that you know is bad for you this month It's just like creating a habit where you got to do something for 30 days kind of thing. Yeah And so I feel like the the mindset of just like taking your health in your own hands

I think is the most powerful thing you're gonna pay for it eventually Nobody gets that if you think that just sitting around and not exercising and eating like crap and carrying too much weight is like, oh, well, it's okay for now, or I just have to do it, or this is genetics, or my body is changing. Well, look, those excuses don't mean shit when your body starts falling apart. And it's going to be really painful. Yeah, you're right. You're going to either pay for it now or pay for it later. Yeah, for sure.

For sure. Anyway, he's great. I'm really happy that he came on, gave us a bit of a follow up. And yeah, I hope people like RF um, RFK, you know, get a chance to do some of the things that they've been talking about in the healthcare world. I mean, listening to people like this and kind of redirecting this messed up system. I don't want to see more of the same happening because it's not getting better.

Yeah. You know, and what is our case campaign? Make America healthy again, right? Mm hmm. Oh, and so that's why people are saying, oh, this is, you know, this is a, um, a maggot thing, a maggot thing. Yeah. Cause it, well, marketing is powerful in that way. You don't want to, you don't want to basically to basically mimic if you don't want to be aligned with it

But doesn't sound like he you know doesn't want not want to be exactly But I think the impression is that this is an idea that's only for conservative people or people that you know It's gonna be for everybody. Yeah, and I guess that's what Brigham was saying on when he was testifying He's like this is not a right or left thing. This is an issue for everyone. Yeah, health is. And it's just about giving people the right information and the better places to go to. Anyway, it was good. I enjoyed it. Let's jump over to Paul Rosale. And, you know, for those of you that didn't hear him the first time he was on, basically, Joe was following this guy on Instagram. You know, he's out there in the Amazon tackling freaking giant snakes.

And I don't know what he was doing with them, but he's just tackling giant snakes and doing something. Doing something. Yeah, lunatic. And Joe, I guess, posted something about him on his Instagram. Then Paul's Instagram blew up. Then all of a sudden he's getting a lot more funding and a lot more awareness. People know what he's up to. He's like saving these rivers and trying to do good humanitarian stuff down in that part

of the world. And then he gets a chance to be on Rogan show and he comes up and it's a really good conversation. And he's just talking about wild shit. And you can tell Joe really likes him. So, you know, this guy just blows up and now he's been down there. Lex has gone to visit him, which is wild. And anyway, we'll play a little bit of clip from the episode and it just starts with,

oh, I'll just play it and then you can hear it yourself. I did an expedition in, right before Lex came, we did an expedition in March and me and JJ went to, we basically picked a part of the Amazon that we'd never been to and went, let's go see what's over there. And it took us a- We just picked a spot.

We picked a spot because it was around in a place that like on the map, there's no towns, there's no nothing. So we said, let's go there. And it took us a week. We had to take a commercial flight to a smaller flight, to a smaller flight, and then we had to take a boat for three days, nine hours a day to get to the start of the expedition. Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that are reported in those areas? We, what you do is you get to the

last town and you go, what's that way? And they tell you. And the scariest thing, and this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life was that There were these tiny little people there and they were so there was like normal Peruvians walking around like lagers gold miners They're you know, they're they're they're chainsaws. There's people who had gasoline barges There's also prostitute boats that drive around like brothels that go on a boat Yeah, and and you and you can pay them in wood surprisingly enough board feet of timber no joke yes you get to the real like this is a place where like you feel like you went a time machine and you get out there and there's people with modern machines but then off in the corner

there are these little people and they were still holding on to their bows and arrows and you look at them and as soon as you look at them, they hide. And we were like, who are they? And they're like. All right, so that just gives you an idea. I mean, how freaking wacky is that? Number one, to just say, we're gonna go over here on the map.

Yeah. And it's three flights, smaller flights, and then you just. Three days on a boat. Traveling, nuts. Insane. I mean, yeah, the first half of the podcast, I'd say was like them just sort of, you know, again, sort of jaw-dropping stories about what he does

and he takes people on these adventures and when he goes and explores and, you know, just talking about his conservation efforts in the Amazon rainforest. Yeah, it was insane to listen to the, what really struck me, I think most out of him talking about like what he does before they got into just like their bro shit, like was him talking about how he had like, you know, they obviously him getting big was really, you know, going on Rogan the first time was really like

pivotal for him to start fundraising and getting money to essentially when they would go on these hikes, they would run into like logging roads or you know, roads that were being used to aid deforestation to some extent and they would, you know, raise $150,000 or whatever the number was to buy that land from whoever owned it currently or whoever was occupying it, whatever that means. I don't know if you can own parts of the Amazon people that were like occupying it. And he was saying that, you know, as soon as he did, then that was like all the loggers would come up, would come to him and be like, can we, can we still work here? Can, can

you, can we be a ranger now to like protect this for us? Because you know, they're, they're just trying to work. They're just trying to survive and live their life. And they just want to continue being in that area and they know the area. So, you know, basically it was that we were able to turn that around and then, you know, continue fundraising and have a sponsor to fund his rangers.

And so it's like, he's not only protecting the rainforest, but he's like not killing all of these people's ways of life in terms of, you know, they have to make money to survive down in the Amazon to some extent. And you know, yeah, they're doing it in a way that's like not great in terms of logging and deforestation. And they're able to turn that around. And that was just like really awesome to hear that that was what had happened. Yeah, it was like one success story after another. Well, I don't think people have been making a lot of headway down there. It's so difficult to keep people in there long enough to fund it,

to keep the loggers out, to really control any type of area. One thing that he was talking about last time he was on is that he'd set up, they basically built these incredible tree houses really high up in the trees that are connected in ways and there's power up there through generators or something and they want to start doing basically more like glamping expeditions but as glamping as you can get in the Amazon, I mean listen you're not going to get away from all the bugs right? The Kardashians aren't going down now. I just watched a video of a spider eating a snake. The spider was bigger than your head,

which saying something. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary. That's terrifying. But you know, it could be enough for someone that's like, hey, I'm not a super, I'm not ready for the Amazon, but I'm ready for a bit of a guided something

and a comfortable night's sleep. Yeah. But I have money and I want to learn and see it and smell it and taste it and hear it and appreciate what's down here. Yeah. And then consider investing in that area. Yeah. Right? And not investing in it to build the hotels or whatever.

Right, right. But just like fall in love with that area like these people have done. Yeah. Just like Paul has done. I think it's a genius move. I think it's one of those like, you know, when people start to get footing, like he is, it reminds me. Take Elon Musk down there. Yeah, exactly. You know, have him drop a bill. It reminds me of, um, I couldn't say much detail. Maybe, maybe people out there know this, the details of this more than I do, but it reminds me of a story I heard where there was a,

a initiative or like a place in Africa, essentially, where it was like all of these animals were becoming extinct. And in order to protect their populations, you had to pay this like extreme amount of money to go down and hunt for them, right? And you got to hunt one. There was like two, like a lottery of like two a year and you had to pay a hundred and fifty thousand dollars or whatever it was to go shoot like some crazy rare animal. You got to do it.

But then that money funded the rehabilitation of that population for years. And so it's I think it's kind of that same thing where it's like, it's a bit of like conservation tourism to where, you know, you get to bring people in who have money. They get to like be immersed in this. They get to have some, some skin in the game and they're really excited about that. Yeah. At least in a tree house, you're not killing any animals. Yeah.

Or having to swat dung beetles away with a stick. Like he was talking about. They might have to do that. Yeah, that was a crazy story he was talking about. How you take a shit in the rainforest. Pretty, pretty, pretty vulgar. It honestly sounds so miserable. It does not sound like the great adventure to me.

I feel like it would be so fucking uncomfortable. You just, he said 99 degrees when he went on that hike with Lex. So Lex went down there, Lex Friedman, and they did a great podcast together. So check that out if you get time. And yeah, for like three days, they're just hiking through areas. They can't find any water. They're sweating like crazy. Again, 100% humidity, for sure. And it's just a sauna with bugs everywhere. And you're falling over and stuff's

biting at you and the trees all stab into you. There's no comfortable place. There's no comfortable place. He even had a video not that long ago, I think on his Instagram, where ants were eating through his tent. They were like the leaf cutter ants, so they would cut the bits of the tent out and carry it off. So then all the other bugs would get in. That's real. It's nuts.

Yeah, no, I'm not the audience for that. But also, also what an incredible, like, like in its own way, what an incredibly beautiful place of so much undiscovered natural beauty. And not only that, probably like compounds in the plants and medicines potentially, just molecules that we never even knew existed. It's so vast, right?

Like, I mean, it has to be like, there's so much that isn't explored. Oh, it's huge. Right? And I mean, the, you know, there, he talked to briefly, there was a few minutes where he talked about like these villages or I don't know, what's the term, like these people that haven't been accessed, you know, haven't been like exposed to civilization. Yeah. Uncontacted tribes. Yes, and the mind blowingness of the fact

that still exists out there. It's nuts. How much technology, how much information sharing, how connected everyone is. I mean, we're sitting here, we have one, two, three, four, five, six devices sitting in front of us, and we're talking about all these things that are happening

there but- Well we don't have any spears, so they got more shit than we do. Spears, no. Think about it. We don't have bows and arrows or spears, you're right. But yeah, I mean, gosh, I just- Yeah, it's wild.

Being, think about being like, getting to see them from across the river and like knowing that you can't go contact them, that's what he was saying, Like you can't approach them. Well, you probably don't want to. No, you don't want to. Because they're not going to like you. No, but just imagine being like, they've probably never seen like a white person before

or never seen like someone with anything with a, you know, like a GPS on them at all. Or, you know, like they've got Skylink, a Skylink box that they carry with them. It's like, they don't even understand what those things are. No idea. And yet they're living on the same planet as we are at the same time. What do you think would be the single coolest thing that you could take into their village

that they would just look at and be like, what the fuck? God, I don't. I mean, I'd say a car, but like you can't, you wouldn't be able to drive it in there. It's not like a road that led up to it. Well, wasn't there like someone, like I mean smartphones, right? Like internet smartphones,

and they talk about like a tribe that they took Skylink and smartphones to, and they all got addicted to porn or something. Yeah, they were just joking off. So I mean, a TV would be pretty dope. A TV, I mean, they, but it would, I'm trying to think of something, like I think to them something that would help them

continue their way of life to some extent, like a cast iron skillet, you know? An air fryer. An air fryer, where they could just easily, they still are hunting and cooking. A solar paneled air fryer. I mean, I couldn't live without my air fryer, so I just imagine something like along those lines

where they're just like, wow, like you don't have to start a fire to eat, you know? Where it's like smartphone doesn't necessarily like help them with their survival in any way. But you know, like maybe it's, maybe it's, I mean, a gun would probably be like mind blowing for them. That's a good point. But something that's like,

like something that kept on giving, you know, like a really good knife or a bigger gun. A bigger gun. Yeah. Just give one of them a machine gun and be like, you're going to be the king real soon. Yeah. Or I guess, and then for me, I'm like,

oh my gosh, like water filters or something like that. But they're used to that water at that point. Oh yeah, they do. Cause they grew up, you know, they're born and raised in that. So I don't know. They probably wouldn't want you to change much of anything. I mean, they probably have some resources that they need

to like hunt for or go look for that really take a toll on their society. They're just much harder to do. So if you can minimize that, that would probably be pretty useful for them. You know, it's not like they're carrying water 30 miles like an African person. No, cause they're not bothered by those bugs.

I would have to have it out there. I guess it wouldn't even do anything. Those bugs that do shit to them. Okay, Benadryl, cream, for when they get bit. Imagine never knowing that there was relief from a bug bite and then having it. Imagine how fucked up it will be if the gift you gave him was just a bunch of alcohol and that none of them had ever drank before. Yeah.

And now they're just having wild parties. I would be interested to see like what, cause like, like in almost all civilization, there's some type of alcohol that comes out of it, like organically, cause people like have this drive to have mind altering substances, I feel like. I wonder what they're fermenting out in the rainforest. Oh, ayahuasca probably. Yeah, no doubt. I don't think the native Americans had alcohol

like before the Western has brought it. I don't believe so. Google it. Maybe not I don't believe so. Google it. Maybe not. See, see. But yeah, I mean a lot of cultures have, because it's not super complicated to ferment some sort of sugary thing.

Pre-Columbian native nations had ancestral fermented beverages, is that what we're thinking? Pre-Columbian native, yeah. Based on anthropological, gosh, studies and current community traditions, uses were spiritual in nature and had religious connotations. Of course. These beverages included corn beers, cactus wines, berry and root ferments, and even alcoholic gruel. Oh, okay. They did then. Basically, but yeah, like, all they have to do is like

accidentally leave out some juice or something. Well, you would think with agave, agave plants everywhere, they would be making tequila left and right. I would be. I mean, cut those spikes off that planet. Get going. And then, well, Wikipedia. I don't know if I trust Wikipedia. Wikipedia first line says a number of early accounts report that many Native Americans had no tradition of making alcoholic beverages to not know if I trust Wikipedia. Wikipedia, first line says, a number of early accounts report that many Native Americans had no tradition of making alcoholic beverages

to not know the effects of alcohol. I don't know. See, that's what I heard. They're on the go. They don't have time to be fermenting stuff up. They're on the go. It says Pandora's box when you search this, just so everyone knows.

That's a good point. But look, back to talking about the simpler life and let's look at it in reverse, right? Not what cool technologies we can give to them, but what technologies and things that we have now that are a hindrance, like you and I talk about it, we're on our phones too much. You know, he even brought up that Paul did that Steve Jobs didn't let his kids have screens. That's insane.

But it's not a surprise. I wasn't even surprised when I first heard that. And in fact, it was followed up by a discussion, an article I read where a bunch of Silicon Valley high level execs, like the big paid ones, they were sending their kids to the school in the area that was private, obviously, and it used almost no technology, which is really interesting because they're the ones getting us addicted

to this thing. They know what the power of it is. They know how addictive it is. They know what it is as an entity. Obviously, they are rejecting it. They use it. They play with it. They're in there, but it's almost like working at a cigarette company and making sure none of your kids smoke because they know it's bad, but it makes a lot of money. Well, I mean, I felt like an idiot after hearing that because I'm like, oh my gosh,

literally last week on this podcast, we're talking about, oh, give every kid a tablet or a computer and teach them how to use AI, get them an AI teacher and whatever, which I do still think there's some benefit too, but like is the actual use of the technology and giving them a screen earlier on like gonna be a hindrance to our overall development as like a species, right? I mean, if the smartest people and the most like, like, I don't want to say accomplished, but like the smartest people of these tech companies, the highest, you know, office holders know

how bad it is, but yet they're still doing it. It's like, are they just doing it to make us dumber? Are they doing it to put us below them? To get all their future generations a long way ahead. Listen, there's something to knowing how to use devices, especially if you're the sort of person that gets into programming or design or, and you're using computers. But all of those things at a very young age, when you're spending hours and hours and hours on them, it's taking away from important elements like play that ultimately is like cooperation,

cooperative play, learning how to rough and tumble with others and interact with them, build those large social networks that are real in-person social networks, like your friend down the road that you go on the swings with and hang out with and run through the woods with, instead of some online friendship, which just is not gonna have the same, it can't replace it, it's not how we would design. So there's some major issues to that. Yeah, I think, and that's like what that like Montessori, you know, style and you know, theory is essentially,

or type of education where it's like, play, play, play, play until six, seven years, as long as you can delay, basically curriculum and just have play be the basis of learning. It's like the, it's gonna exponentially develop the brain in ways that, you know, sitting down and having like curriculum and, you know, drilling things in can't. And definitely with technology, I mean, using, I mean,

we see it even with, you know, kids in our lives, like they're obsessed with iPhones. They're obsessed with televisions. Anything that you have on you all the time or that has lights and movement and colors. They're like, I need it. And you see one two year olds knowing how to open up iPhone with a password. It's like, this is dangerous. You know, it's wild. That's a sorry of a little girl that I ordered on Amazon. She was like three and she like ordered like a whole bunch of toys and like six of the same like hundred dollar toy and just because you just buy now buy now buy now it's like

there's they're learning how to do all those things and it's just too early for them. I mean that's a whole nother tangent, but no, but it's true and the end again, it's all distractions, right? And it moves into some of the last parts of things they were talking about. The big issue is what's going on with Iran and Israel right now. I mean, talk about a world that we're living in that's starting to feel a little... I'm starting to feel a little nervous of the state of it.

It's like, yeah, these wars seem a long way away, you know, but they're not that far away when people start using nukes. Iran just shot a shitload of missiles into Israel. The Iron Dome could barely keep up with it. I don't know how many got through. It looked like plenty were hitting the ground. I don't know what the casualties there are. Supposedly Iran has just tested a nuclear weapon. I was seeing that online. There's rumors of it. It's like how long before something gets flattened

in the Middle East? And then what? Then other countries, they were all getting drawn into it again. How far can this go? How far does this conflict run? You know, like, what's the extent? Look, Afghanistan and Iraq were like 20 year wars. Iran and these other countries are bigger, in some sense. They have more resources. They're gonna keep fighting fighting they're gonna have backings of other Countries in that region well, and I'm gonna say and what what extent is the United States gonna be involved? I mean heavily I would think as long as Israel is and

You know we see even our how involved we are financially with the the conflict in Ukraine and Russia with you know with the conflict in Ukraine and Russia, with Ukraine and Russia, and it's like, they're not Israel. I feel like we will defend Israel to our own detriment, even more so than we are, way more so than we are with Ukraine. No doubt. Yeah. And if they were to hit Israel with a nuke, I mean, I can't even fathom. I don't want to live it.

Well, I'll stay alive. I'm not going to say I'm killing myself, but I don't want in my lifetime any nukes to be dropped. Of course not. Of course. No one would be like, yeah, I can't wait for nukes to be dropped. Week after I die, drop them all. Yeah, that's what I'm excited about. But of all the things that could go bad and will go bad, there's going to be more wars in my lifetime.

Yeah. There just are going to be. But of all the types of things, it's like, as soon as I turn on the TV and you see something like that, you're going to get that feeling in your chest, like watching 9-11 all over again. You're going to know the world's about to change. It's going to get wack change, it's gonna get wacky and it's not gonna be good. It's wild stuff. Yeah.

Yeah, that's depressing. But on that note, I think let's close out after we bummed everybody out. Let's stay hopeful folks. Let's stay hopeful. Stay hopeful. I mean, I think that, I hope that obviously the nuke doesn't get dropped. Hopefully that's not even on the table. Sounds like it possibly might be in theory, but I think the bigger issue or the bigger picture here is to focus on things that you can control, right?

When you're stressed about those things, like we talked about just earlier in this podcast Focus on little things that you can do in your life make you feel better put your phone down a little bit Put your soda down a little bit do that do those things. Yeah, and Yeah, yeah, I like it yourself everybody. All right. Thanks guys. We appreciate you as always and we will talk to you next week.