Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 406 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Donald Trump.

Episode Date: October 27, 2024

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walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host Adam Thorne. This might even be the worst podcast, but we're the best one of all time. One, go. Enjoy the show. I always got more publicity than other people and I didn't it wasn't like I was trying in fact I don't know exactly why maybe you can tell me what I could definitely tell you you said a lot of wild shit Yes, he certainly did Well the time has come ladies and gents

to review what quite possibly will be the most listened to single episode of any podcast in the history of time up until this point. As of right now, we are 21 hours after the release of this episode and there is, I believe, over 20 million downloads. That is a million downloads an hour. It's been averaging. Yeah, I honestly, when I heard all the hype about it, I wasn't sure if it would actually happen. Oh, I knew it. It was guaranteed.

I was like. It was a guaranteed. If this was like an IPO, like a company going, so that you could buy stock public or whatever they call it, it would have been buy all of the stock. Right. Like that's how obviously massive this will be. And it makes sense.

I mean, he's the type of guy that that, you know, attracts the haters almost as much as people that like him when it comes to any chance that they get to see him and get annoyed at him or love him. Yeah. You're just, you were on board. So a podcast like this is, you know, not everybody that's a rogu guy is going to be Republican. Right. So you've got a lot of Democrat or in the middle Rogan fans that are just listening to this just because they love Rogan and

Trump's, you know, that's a big guest. It's that's a huge opportunity both ways. He could fuck it up, lose a bunch of votes, look nuts, or he could come across genuine and funny and make some points that resonate with people and get some votes. I mean. I have to say, I wouldn't call myself a huge fan

of the guy really of either candidate, but I didn't hurt to watch him on this podcast. So I would say from my perspective, he did a good job. Hmm. Well, I'm surprised to hear that. Yeah. But you know, I don't think it would have- They did it for three hours.

I didn't believe that either. I thought it would be shorter. That's a good point. I really did not think, you know, I, I don't think it would have. They did it for three hours. I didn't believe that either. I thought it would be shorter. That's a good point. I really did not think, you know, there were a few things. I mean, I wouldn't have been surprised if Joe had to travel to him. Most people have had to do that. It's not like Trump is mostly going to people's destinations, but I guess with Rogan, that was a requirement.

You know, Rogan can kind of say that because it's Rogan. Right. It's how big his show is. Also, I think that realistically, the fact that they got to three hours, as far as I could tell, it seems like Joe didn't even make that a requirement. Yeah. What did he say at the end? He's like, oh, how long we've been here? He's like three hours.

I gotta go. Yeah. Trump's like, I gotta go. I gotta rally to get to, I gotta get out of here. I mean, that was interesting. So it means that like it was genuinely just how the conversation had to go, which kind of comes back to what Joe does three hour conversations. These aren't requirements of his, I don't think.

I think they just talk until there's nothing to talk about, but it's kind of like the sweet spot for really getting as much as you can out of someone before they get just too tired. Yeah, I know, but it was pretty authentic to what Joe, the typical Joe Rogan podcast I don't I I had some expectations like that, you know, he would maybe they would have to I don't know be certain distance apart or something like you've seen that in in in other

Interviews recently were like there's just more space between them or it's like a more formal setting But he went to the studio and he sat there for three hours. Yeah. He did it. And then, yeah, I mean, I think there was, I think Joe cleaned up a little bit for him and he wore, he left the camera shorts at home today. But Joe, I mean, it was like, not like he's got a suit on, but he's got a decent shirt. Yeah.

And. like he's got a suit on, but he's got a decent shirt. Yep. And, uh. Yeah, it was great. And, um, I think there was, as expected, a little bit of maybe some ego stroking from Joe, you know? But, I mean, I think, how could you not be a little bit? To be, to be fair, he's the first person

that was ever a president on Rogan's show. Right. So the fact that he is running again and wants this publicity, I mean, ex-presidents don't go on many people's podcasts. Right. I think Obama went on Mark Maron's once, that was a big deal, after he was done being president. You know, and I'm sure Joe would love to interview Obama. Um, but, you know, he's

always said that he makes, he's like an excellent, like the best statesman, you know, he'd like to talk to him. And it's just a big deal. You're, you're talking to someone that was a president. It's like, you know, even if you didn't like him at the time. Just put your ego aside and show some respect. That's a job. That's like he was the fucking president once. It's a big deal. So that was cool. And I mean, I have nothing else. Trump is entertaining, you know? I mean, he's not like I didn't have a hard time getting through it. Like sometimes for three hours, like said, I didn't expect it to be three.

Like it was very, there was a lot going on. He had great energy for someone in his 80s I mean right he had a lot of energy. For one there was no pee break. Yeah. Which I didn't know that 80 year old man could go three hours without needing to pee. Like isn't that a bit of a thing? Yeah. I mean look to be fair most people most regular guests don't make it through Joe's three hours. Right. But yep, no problem. Didn't run out of energy. And to be fair, he got straight on a plane, flew to, I think, Michigan and did another rally. Yeah. You know, the guy said he

hasn't taken a day off for like, I can't remember how many days, 57 days, something like that. He's in his eighties. Yeah. Maybe he does a lot of those like life extending therapies to be younger. Remember we were talking about that? Like what did- I think he just plays golf, drinks far too much diet coke and just rocks on. What did he say? Tremels are boring.

I get in shape by playing golf. It's like, I don't know how, I don't know how that works. Cause a lot of alcohol usually involved in golf. Maybe, maybe it, maybe it does work. But yeah, it's a big deal. I mean, a big deal for Joe. Shout out to him.

I mean, putting this together, getting it done. You know, he'd said for a long time, I'm not going to have Trump on. I don't want to help him with the election. I think after the assassination attempt, there's just too much to discuss and talk about. There's too many. And Joe's always had a lot of questions. He's always wanted to know what it's like the first day in office and do you meet with

the men in black and do they tell you you can't talk about alien? He's always wondered what is behind of behind the curtain so to speak and in fact I have a clip from the podcast the next day actually the fighter the fight companion where Joe is it just came out just a few minutes ago but he's he's basically reflecting on the discussion with Trump. That that's the way he does it but I'm like, I know I understand what you're doing sir But let's get it back to what I was asking. Yeah, you did that a couple I was like I want to know what that first fucking day is like and I don't think I really got that answer out of them Yeah, and he didn't really quite get that answer And Trump does do a good job of and I don't even think it was like Like intentional misdirection.

It's like he started talking about the Lincoln room and just kind of like, maybe possibly even his like surreal emotions towards the event, whereas Joe wanted to get into some nitty gritty, like, you know, do they sit you down? Do they tell you the rules? Do they give you a syllabus of what you're going to do? It's like that. It's kind of Joe's question. And Trump just answered it as like, yeah, this is what I thought. I was looking at how big the rooms are and how amazing this house is. Yeah, he made the comment, you know, he made his business on luxury, which

was, you know, a good way to describe it. And he was in awe of how beautiful the White House was when he got there. And he did go on to talk a little bit about things that he had to do right away, like the 10,000 appointments that he had to make, like really only a hundred, because then they make some for him, right? But I actually didn't really know that

about a president's job. Like I was like, whoa. Are you a business owner or marketer looking to reach highly engaged podcast listeners just like you? AdvertiseCast can help. Whether you are looking to promote a national brand across Canada or a regional event or service, we've got you covered. Reach out today to Bob at AdvertiseCast.com. That's E-O-B at AdvertiseCast, as advertisecast.com. That's E-O-B at advertisecast, as in podcast.com. Well, it's hard to think like, what do they do? Yeah, they've got to appoint,

well, they've got to put their cabinet together. They've got to appoint a lot of top positions. Right. And, you know, like Trump was saying, the interesting part about that was, and this is actually like the most humble thing I've ever heard from Trump, at least in recent years, is he said, basically he was talking about appointing people to these positions and you know, he knows New York, he knows Miami, he knows those areas, he knew a bit

of politics, but mostly from the point of being a donor. He'd never even stayed over in a donor. Oh, I said a donut. Sorry. No, not a donut. He's a donor. Donuts are different. Yeah, I do. I do.

But no, he's a donor. And, you know, he'd never even like spent a night in DC, like all, spent a long time there. So he didn't know the players. He didn't know the players to put them in positions. And then later he was able to say, yeah, and I didn't make some good decisions appointing people. Yeah, the way I understood it, he said that basically he had a pool of them to pick from, and he made his choices and he, you know, regrets some of them and he made he choices and he regrets some of them and he admits

that he made some bad picks. And I think that that's like- Which is hard to do if you haven't worked with people for a very long time. I mean, he has to take the advice of others. Yeah. And he basically said, you know, a lot of them are, most of them already indoctrinated into these things. And I don't know exactly what he meant by that, but I understand what he is trying to

get at and that like he didn't get to truly make those choices for himself. There was some element of like bias like you know towards what was already in place versus the changes he wanted to make. I see enough evidence of that. During his presidencies, I believe there's some crossover and carryover between terms and things that are implemented in one administration, they carry over and so on. But I think that he always has good intentions with what he says. I don't know if I've ever believed that he was able to execute them fully, but I can fully respect that he can admit where he was wrong in this

situation. Yeah I mean it was again though it's kind of surprising he doesn't usually do that. No. And it was interesting and it was interesting that he picked that of all the things. So it does make you think now that he has way more experience you know this is eight years from when he was first elected before he has a lot more DC experience, you know, he knows way more of the players that will his appointments be that much better. You would assume that they would be just because he has a lot more experience there. Um, you know,

because he has a lot more experience there. Right. You know, they open up this pod with one of the most important things about Trump, which is everybody pretty much loved him before he went into politics. And maybe not loved, but they like to show people may have thought he was a bit of a rich douche, but entertaining. He wasn't a threat to show people may have thought he was a bit of a rich douche, but entertaining, you know, he wasn't a threat to most people. What does Joe said? He said, I think, um, do you think because people enjoyed you on The Apprentice, they would enjoy you as president? It's like, okay. Well, I mean, obviously, yes, it turns out, but you know, he would go on The View and

he would talk about running for president and all the ladies on there were super behind it. And I think the energy that is just coming from the fact that people were just at that time getting sick of the standard politician. They wanted to see what else someone could do. And, you know, I mean, really, if he had run as a Democrat, he would have kept a lot of these supporters. I mean, I'm sure there's still plenty of people that would be like, he still says wacky stuff, but they'd be way more on his side. It was just really interesting to see how many people turned against him

almost immediately as soon as he got in office. That's a huge shift. Yeah, it is a big shift. I mean, I don't know if that's typically something you can expect in an election. So it's a unique situation that he's dealing with. I mean, I think there's always people that like candidates and don't like candidates, but having like a shift of I Don't know how to say it like people that typically you would expect to get behind you in that election and then it like shifting so

drastically And I don't know if I'm like speaking from a sense of like more And I don't know if I'm speaking from a sense of more social issues or other economy type policies. I think it's a combination of things where it's just a different group of people you would expect and would vote for a candidate based on their history. But I think that also takes into account

sort of the problem with people being so bipartisan and like having being so loyal to a party and not voting on issues. Right. And I would say if anything, I think the way that this podcast was done would allow people to really hear from Trump, just like on Rogan in general, having this platform for people to come and really talk like openly about things that are important to them or that they believe in. And, you know, I think the one part that I was disappointed in was when they talked about the Make America Healthy Again situation and him supporting RFK. I feel like I don't know if I

believed with exactly how he talked that it's something that's like really genuinely important to him. Well, it's new that he's talked about it. That we know for sure. He hasn't really like made a big point about, you know, health and diet and physical fitness, anything like that. We know that's RFK's, you know, kind of like the cornerstone of a lot of what he focuses on and you know, Trump wants his votes.

So, you know, maybe that's just an area that he's willing to listen to. Time will tell if he does anything about it, but that's always the thing with politicians. I almost feel like everything that they say they're going to do, you got to be like, they're going to do 60% of that at best. So you can like the philosophy behind it, but the likelihood of them actually pulling it off completely is tricky. Yeah. You know, and it just kind of is that, you know, if he says I'm building that wall, at best he gets 60% of that wall, but that type of thing.

I think this is one situation that I've a lot, almost anyone probably listening would agree that you really want this person to succeed at this. Like this feels like a really, really big important thing. And all the other things, where they all are also big and important. Like that's something that's really close to home for a lot of people is health and things like that.

And so. Yeah, I mean, imagine if we could get with everything wrong with the country or all the frustrations that people have in this, in the United States, if you could add one thing, like a new energy to the people of the country to be in better health, eat better food, I mean, just the repercussions of that are so massive.

People have more energy, there's less depression, they're more motivated, they're more positive, like they're healthier, they're not getting as sick as often, they're living longer, their body works better. I mean, that really opens the door to fixing a whole bunch of things. Yeah, I agree. And it would be amazing if there was a bit of an effort behind that, you know? I mean, that, you know? I mean, it's terrible to hear things like RFK was saying that like 70% of young people today can't even join the military. They're so out of shape or obese or something. I mean, that's insane. Yeah. That is so absurd. He gave me this chart right before, because they knew you'd want to talk to me about this.

He's like, look how unhealthy we are. Look at that line. Basically is how he said it. And I think what got me was I felt like he had just learned that. He probably saw it on the sheet in real time and figured out what it was. I feel like he can fly. You could hand him a PowerPoint at the highest pressure sales meeting ever, a PowerPoint that he's never even looked at.

And just by clicking the slides on, he'd be like, oh, oh, oh, we're talking about this? Yeah, well this, this is what I'm selling. A professional bullshitter, I think. He told me, how does he describe his talk style? It's the ultimate. The weaving, is that how he said it? I don't know. I like to give long the weave You have to be very smart to do with when you do the weave

He's like No one else talks about like this. No, no one else talks like this. It's just very unique to me. That is true He's a very unique talk style. I got to give that to him. He's a hell of a weaver I mean He really does take you on a little journey and it's, it just kind of like mesmerizes you and then he's done. And remember the whole time it's, it's also the billionaire Donald Trump. Like you're just going to shut up and listen to it if you were in his presence.

Yeah. Like he's used to people doing that. So he just goes. Yeah. Um, you know, saying that though with the weaving, I think Joe did a pretty good job as best that you can respectfully, like try and get the answers that he wanted.

Yeah. Just a little tricky to do, you know? The clip that we opened up with, for example, I really enjoyed because when Joe was like, you said a lot of wild shit, that's why people in the press, you know, you've always got a lot of press attention. And it's a really good point. It's just not the way that you would imagine somebody addresses the president, but it's

Joe's style and they're just having a chat, which I like about this. Right. So that, you know, it's not that same kind of yes, sir. Pandering Mr. President type energy. And then he made the big point that it was like CNN that made the mistake of constantly putting him on the TV. And I think they were doing it to make him look like a buffoon, but really all it did was just give him a shitload of airtime, right? And ultimately got him elected.

Like CNN stabbed themselves right in the foot. You know, to be fair to them, they probably were getting record viewers during that time anyway. So they hate this person, but it's the only, he's the only reason anyone is even paying attention to their dumb station. I'm not, I'm not a fancy. I mean, it's like, they say all publicity is good publicity. Why can't I say publicity? Yeah. I mean, kinda unless a less, you know, you got in some naughty trouble and then everyone's talking about it. That might be bad Maybe he knew what he was doing. We're not sure but yeah, I'm like it at the time, but maybe he did Yeah, well what it was is is they would play something he said out there was outrageous like the grab him by the pussy The whole thing I mean think about it the guy that was just interviewing him at that time and laughed along to it

Someone bush. I can't remember his name. He lost his job. Trump lost no speed from that. He's the one that said it. And they played it everywhere thinking that would destroy them. And most people were like, ah, whatever. Like a lot of people just ignored it. And that's what Trump has been a master of is just it's like water off his back

It just you know a smear campaign just hits him and just slides right off. Yeah, it's very difficult to do Very very few people can do that Trump did talk about a couple of things that were interesting like so there was this car factory a couple of things that were interesting like so there was this car factory huge car car factory gonna be built in Mexico then they were gonna basically build a lot of cheap cars and send them over here ultimately destroying the rest of our automotive industry and Trump said you build that we're putting giant tariffs on it we're gonna charge you a lot's going to be so much you won't even make any money. And they ended up not building it. Interesting. But then he starts talking about tariffs and he's

like, these are powerful tools. We can make other countries pay for the things like basically the jobs that they've, that have been outsourced to their country or just started there because they have cheaper labor. And they're taking all these industries. You can see it like that. Like we used to build microchips here, like you said. And now it's all in, what was it, Taiwan, he said, I think. Yeah, I think so. Anyway, and he's like, no, let's put tariffs on it. And we put the tariffs on enough. It could lead to some good things like paying off national debt, also reducing or getting rid of income tax. Now those are some bold ass claims. I don't know how real that stuff is, but I like the sound of it.

Yeah, that sounds pretty nice. Some of it sounds nice. Especially the idea that we could possibly ever be in a position to pay off some of that insane debt. Yeah. You know, you've got to imagine if we got that number down to from 32 trillion to zero, that would have some significantly positive, like what's the insurance, I mean not interest, that you pay on 32 trillion dollars?

It's gotta be a lot of money. We would save that instantly. Yeah, here's to hoping, right? I mean it's absurd, but maybe tariffs could do it. I'd like to know more about that. He also, I've been meaning to ask you this. He said he thinks being the president is the most dangerous job in the world. What do you believe?

Well, he did get shot. Shot at? Yeah, he got shot in the ear. Yes, in the ear. His ear got shot. Let's be fair. That was two inches away from blowing his brains out. That's pretty freaking close.

Okay, but statistically, you think that being the president is like the most dangerous? I think being the president for Donald Trump is very dangerous. If you're the president as Barack Obama, nobody tried to shoot you. So less dangerous. If you're the president as Barack Obama, nobody tried to shoot you, so less dangerous. He's had potentially, I mean, two assassination attempts. The second one was kind of like a dude just waiting. That's pretty fricking dangerous. It's fairly rare that you're gonna have

two assassination attempts on your life in one year or even in a few months for those that are curious the most dangerous Alaskan crab fisherman my guess fishing and hunting workers logging workers rovers construction workers aircraft pilots and flight engineers refuse waste and recyclable material collectors. Wait, did you say pilots? Yeah. There's not many plane crashes.

What's going on there? I'm curious. I don't know. Waste workers, that's what gets me. How are waste workers dying? Falling in the trash. Oh, sad. Yeah.

Falling in a swamp. I mean, I guess, statistically, I guess. But there's so few presidents, right? Yeah, you can't Google that list. They're not going to put Donald Trump at the top of it because he was almost assassinated twice. It's not how those lists work. They're all just giant averages.

Might just be like a number of accidents, incidents in general. I mean, to be fair, you know, being a very high profile, controversial, political, anyone that would make it dangerous, right? Putin has massive security around him, doesn't leave Russia. The Kim Jong, North Korea, he ain't going nowhere.

Tons of security. You know, these positions are, you know, I guess you're like European leaders, it's pretty rare anyone's trying to shoot them. I mean, but the royal family in England, I'm sure they have awesome security around them. And that technically makes, there's a reason for it. It's because they're in more danger. Do you know if there are any assassination attempts on the queen? There were a few weird things.

Like there was this guy that broke in, he broke into her room and she sat and talked to him for like 30 minutes until someone realized he was in there and then they got it. But yeah, she handled that like a superstar. She's pretty badass. Yeah, she was badass. Rad chick.

But yeah, I don't know of any like real serious attempts, but yeah, they got good security though too. I mean, you know, it's gonna take care of them. Let's talk a little bit about the leaving of Afghanistan, right? So this is something that was discussed a lot. It happened under Biden, though, as far as I understand it, like the ball was set in motion because of something that Trump signed. And then how it all went down was really bad because they pulled the troops out first and then everything kind of went to shit and then they left all the

equipment because supposedly it was cheaper to leave it even though it was billions and billions of dollars of equipment. I don't understand how that is possible, especially because, you know, now Al-Qaeda, whoever runs Afghanistan has all that shit, which I think is nuts. Like, did we basically... What did you say? Did they have a parade with it? Yeah, they did. Just to rub it in our face. Did they... like, it almost seems like they left it so that there would be like someone else to fight with again later. Like I just don't get it at all. I've never had a good answer. If you talk to somebody on the Republican side, they can easily make that story seem like such a mess and such an incompetent

disaster. Then you talk to people that are, wait, did I say left or right? It is, Republicans will say that that was a complete disaster, obviously, and make a good case. People on the left often have talked to me about it and been like, well, you know, I mean, Trump kind of messed that up and that's why, and that was the best they could do. And these things do kind of, it's like there's a lot of weird excuses being made, but you know, just kind of like,

it would have gone that way with either leader. And it's like, the worst part there is you can't fucking test that so you don't know. Like there's no way of knowing, right? It was just, all we know is one leader did it. And as far as I understand it, it was a total disaster. And we left them with a ton of equipment. And supposedly, like, if I could find a list of what all they claim was left.

Oh, it was tons of stuff. The aircraft abandoning Kabul. We don't have to look that up, but it was a ton of stuff. I mean, it was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Hundreds of tanks and planes and helicopters. And I mean, it was like, hundreds of tanks and planes and helicopters. And I mean, it was nuts. Like absolutely insane. So, you know, that these are the types of things that I think about when, you

know, he's talking about, oh, um, Putin would have never gone into Ukraine if I was in charge, because we talked enough and we had an understanding and Biden didn't have a relationship with him. Biden didn't handle the Afghan withdrawal well. It's like, what has he done to calm anything down in Israel? And here's the thing, it's like Trump is making these bold claims right now, like, oh, I can end that real quick. I can end this, I can end that one.

You know, there wasn't a lot of fighting wars going on when Trump was in, and he did stop ISIS like very quickly, which was impressive. He obviously, he isn't doing it personally, but it happened under his administration. Can he make a difference if he gets in? I don't believe Harris is going to do anything useful there. I don't think she's going to somehow either appeal or pressure Putin into not doing what he's doing. There's just no reason.

Think about it. They couldn't do it under Biden. In fact, it started under Biden. So how the hell are they going to end it with Harris, who is far less experienced politically than even Biden is, and it's the same administration, though it's going to be mostly appointed by her. I would have to say that I put more faith in Trump to end that. And how important is that to me? Right?

There's a lot of other policy issues that maybe he doesn't represent that I feel are important, yet you got to put potential nuclear war pretty close to the top. And that's where it gets tricky. Cause you're like, you're weighing it up. You're like, oh, also groceries are expensive. It's like, there won't be any groceries if someone hits us with a nuke. That's true. Yeah.

You're right. It's an extreme example, but yeah. Um, yeah. The other thing, government spending came up a lot too. And that's always one of those arguments with liberals and Democrats is like, Democrats want a lot more taxes being paid, especially from billionaires, pay your fair share, and then the government will have enough money to help with these social programs and also pay for things. Right.

Right. and also pay for things. Right. Right? On the other hand, a lot of what the Republicans say is that it's ineffective government spending. It's like everything just costs so much, they don't audit it well, the Pentagon fails every audit, they're just, money is pouring out of this machine.

So the answer isn't just give us more money and we make everything better. Like, obviously the answer is somewhere in between those two, but how inefficient is the government? And one thing that Trump wants Elon to do is make basically like an efficiency committee to find out where the leaks are. But just the same as kind of he did with Twitter when he was like, we don't need 80% of these people and Twitter is going to work just fine, which it did. Like that was nuts.

Yeah. I thought when I was first hearing he was just laying everyone off, I was like, oh, this whole thing is going to collapse. He obviously doesn't know how to run this business. No, all the servers work. it's fine it's keeps going it's like there we go and if he could come in and see like look at the DMV or look at the EPA or look at all these different things and they're just like these we have way too many people here we have like three floors of this building that don't need to be employed I mean sure government sure, government employees are not going to like that because they want

their cushy jobs that they can basically not get fired from. But you know, we can put that money to better use if our government services work better. They have talked before about the internet program that the federal government had. It was like a hundred billion dollars or something, a shitload of money. And they want to give internet to like these very rural areas of the United States so people have internet. And their plan was like they had a few options. One they could have gone with Skylink and worked with Elon and basically it costs almost nothing they just send them the

little satellite dish and then everyone's up and running with a monthly fee or they run hundreds of thousands if not millions of miles of cables and fiber optics, which one has that has to be bad for the environment just to even make those things. Right. That's a ton of stuff that they have to like, put into these wires that they have to mine from somewhere. Now they have to dig up the ground and put it in everywhere. They went that way.

They decided not to go with Elon. They went that way. They decided not to go with Elon. They went that way. This is Biden's administration and they have basically given no one internet. And it's cost billions of dollars. Like tell me how that is even possible. Isn't somebody like checking this stuff off, signing the check at the end and being like, wait a minute, what's this for? What'd you do? How many people have internet? Like, there's gotta be a guy like that or lady.

I mean, who is that person then? They don't exist. That's the thing, there's no real oversight. They get budgets, they pull money from Congress or wherever they get it from, and then they're like, yeah, put it towards that and nobody really, if it all goes to shit, and the poll, like whatever they did with it, is a disaster. They just try not to talk about it and move on to something else. It's not like they're going to own up and be like, yeah, it turned out we spent all that money and we couldn't figure out how to get anyone into that. Right. We made some mistakes here. Yeah.

We would think they would give the off, you know, take the option to get, you know, people what they're trying to. Nope. They choose the alternative. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think this is why people like Elon, you know, are getting sick of, of who's in power right now. And they're like, you know, he's landing, what is it, like 15 story rockets that weigh

300 tons on little, you know, chopstick crane systems straight from space. I mean, he's doing incredible things, highly efficient, you know, way less the cost of anything NASA could do it for. It's like, yeah, run more of the government like this. Make it actually work. And I'd be more into it, you know, I'd be more like how, yeah, taxes will help things because this is an efficient system. But it is scary when you start looking around. I mean, I don't know how many times you've been to the DMV and thought I could run this place better than anyone

is doing this. I mean, the last time I went it was so bad. Yeah, they're just all over the place. It was so bad. Nobody wants to be there. They're taken, you know, where was that? Where we would go, it wasn't the DMV, but it was like somewhere where you can get like

registrations and your marriage license. And it was just like another little government deal. Yeah, they would take like two and a half hour lunches every day. Every day I would show, like any time I needed to go there, I was like, oh yeah, just try and go there at about two, thinking, you know, it's after lunch. And it's like, there's a sign that's like 2.30,

we'll be back. I'm like, are you working half days? What is this, a siesta? Yeah, that was bad. I think we had to go there in a year like four, like four times. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I just went to the Mexican restaurant and got a giant margarita every time we went. I'm like, well, we didn't have to, but we felt the need. Yeah. Made it way better. So I was like me Trump. Trump did talk a lot about the strong economy before COVID, right?

And, you know, Obama recently was trying to take, has been taking credit for it. Like the only reason it was strong when Trump got in is because of all the good policies he put in place. And it's that whole like argument of like, no, the good things that happened on you were because of me, obviously these same people aren't blaming the bad things, you know? And, um, but, you know, Trump was saying things were in a really good position. We're making a lot of money. The economy was strong.

Those things were true. The economy for sure was strong. Obviously COVID came and they had to give a lot of loans to companies because they were all going to go under, a lot of them did anyway. And, you know, that cost a lot of money and it halted the growth, right? It was going to happen. So COVID was going to be unlucky for any president for sure. But, you know, even then he was saying we were getting into a position potentially to pay off the debt.

My question is, how do we know where the truth is there? Obviously the candidates are going to try and take as much credit as they can for these things happening. But is there any truth to it? Like it's just so hard to know. And it's like, well, we've had Biden for this last how many years, and the economy is not in good shape. Things are expensive, groceries are a lot of money, housing prices through the roof. Like, you could do four more years of that kind of direction and and like even groceries

start to get out of the reach of regular pretty poor people. It's like you know you're creating a system then when people are like wait a minute can I even you know am I mostly on chicken and rice now? Well you know what's wild is a few episodes ago we talked about you know what's wild? A few episodes ago, we talked about some of these food programs that, after you have a baby, they encourage you to get them and so on. They feel so inefficient just in their nature of you have to apply all the time to get food that's

affordable. It's like, why isn't food just affordable? Why isn't the good things they want just subsidized? You know, like, why are cookies and crackers and cereal cheaper than real food? You know? And so I, yeah, I mean... Yeah. Look, my point here is if he gets in and many of those things don't change, right? And we're still kind of in the same trajectory as we have been,

then I'm like, oh, the leaders don't actually do that much. And I think it will move me even further away from kind of giving a shit about who's in power. Right? There's a part of me that wants to believe that some one can make a difference, right? It gives you hope when things are difficult. You're like, oh, someone can do this. We can just elect really good people at doing the job or the specific policies that you care about. You elect them and then they can actually get it done. But if it turns out that it is like kind of doesn't matter who's in,

there's still these wars and then the economy is still blah, and then you still can't buy houses and also the price of everything is still going up and all you're getting from the politicians is a ton of excuses. Oh, that's not my fault. That's because of them or the Democrats did this or the Republicans did it It's like then you can start to see a pattern that maybe it's all that it's just this bullshit game So almost like just a trick to keep us busy in between paying taxes I don't want to believe that I do want to believe that the parties make a difference in their own right and Can fix things.

I just don't know. Talking about that and let's finish up with this or get close to a couple more things. But elections, elections, elections, elections. elections elections obviously you know Trump has discussed a lot how the election was stolen from him and you know supposedly as far as I know the courts and the justice system has looked at things and they've decided that's not the case he does not agree and then then they talk about, you know, the reasons why it may have been. And, you know, they talk about mail-in ballots potentially being an issue. It sounds like that could be, that could be something that could be exploited, you know,

I would imagine. It used to be that there was mainly just for people overseas and military. And then with COVID, it became a thing, or like maybe also people in like rural Montana that aren't anywhere close to polling booths. Like that makes sense. But yeah, it wasn't many votes generally. Now it's a lot of votes and how are they being checked? I think that's a reasonable question. You know, I, like suspicious of the idea of it. I don't know a lot about it.

Then of course, the computer voting machines. Can they be hacked? Can they be changed? Who's in charge of all that? And next to that, no voter ID, which is kind of like a thing that confuses me too. Why would you not have ID? Why would that be something that they wouldn't push for? I mean, you got to have ID for so many things that seem a lot even less important than voting. Like you can't have a drink at a restaurant without ID.

So you're saying that in places you can vote without showing your ID. Yeah. Because I've always had to. And in California, Well, I guess Newsome just passed a thing to where it was, they can't even ask you for your ID when you go to vote.

I don't get this at all. Well, how do they know who voted? is they can't even ask you for your ID when you go to vote. I don't get this at all. Well, how do they know who voted? I suppose you have like some voter registration form with you or something. Yeah, you do have voter registration, but usually you have to show ID as well. You have to register to vote and then show ID.

I guess not. Yeah. It doesn't, it seems, it sounds problematic to me. So basically Elon was saying it's better to go back to paper ballots. I think it was Elon that was giving Trump this advice. It's way cheaper, safer. They've got watermarks on, we can track it better. And more importantly, we get the results immediately. It's a bit weird. The last election was a bit weird that we didn't get the, usually what you do is you stay up to midnight-ish and all the votes are in and it's same day

and we know who won. It was like two or three days that they were still counting. So they're saying that because they're the electronic ones or because of the mail-in? It was mail-in. They were waiting for them all and they take longer to count. But that's where the fuckery could be.

And I'm not saying there was any, right? I personally, I don't know. I'm not saying there was any in 2020. I'm not trying to agree with him. But I'm saying that these systems don't sound that locked down. If they happen to, like, not actually be seeing all this type of voter fraud, great. I'm very happy for that. And you know, I am inclined to believe it as well. However, I think we could still tighten it up with these other systems, especially if some of them are

cheaper. Yeah, as well. Again, that's an inefficiency. So if we make something more secure and cheaper, that's a smart move. We should always try and work in the efficient direction. You know, the last two things, JFK files, he said he's going to release them. I think he said that before and he didn't. So I don't know. But now he's working with RFK and obviously he, you know,

RFK wants to know what happened to his uncle. There's a good chance that those Kennedy assassination files will be released. It does sound a little bit like maybe the U S government had something to do with it. And that's not going to look good, but I think it would be a dope move for Trump if he released that. I mean the JFK assassination has been such a massive weird mystery of the United States and it's a big deal. You know I feel like other presidents should be you know behind the idea of releasing that info because they don't want to be shot either. So, you know, just out of respect for JFK. And lastly,

talking about weaving, like he does, they were getting into UAPs. Actually, Trump brought it up, which was interesting. Rogan for the first time didn't bring up aliens, which is like, wow. Um, and Trump was like, yeah, and the, the UAPs and obviously I know you're into that. And, and he started to discuss it a little bit. So he's interviewed a few fighter pilots. They told him some things. I don't know if he's seen any real pictures and

photos. He didn't really go there. He started to kind of talk about Area 51 S4 type stuff. And then he just weaved it right into China. And all of a sudden, I don't even know how he got over there. And I'm like, oh shit, he did it again. And within, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes of that, he was just like, how long have we been talking? I've got to go. Which was actually an amazing end too. I've never seen a Rogan podcast end like this. Anyway, in summary, wow, to the interview of the year, maybe of the decade in terms of just downloads, we will see.

I think the most downloaded podcast ever of Rogan's, at least on YouTube, 68 million, and it was with Elon when he first went on and then he smoked weed. And that was like a crazy thing. It'd be interesting to see if this one beats that. I think it will only because you get to add in the Spotify downloads as well. And they've already estimated that it's over 50 million

at this point. So there's a good chance this will become the most listened to thing of all time. And I think ultimately, you know, Trump, he had some funny moments. He goofed. He even made a joke about he'd go to the UFC if he's the president in December.

And if he loses, he'd be depressed or he won't go. That's quite funny. Um, they had a good conversation back and forth. Uh, I think, I don't know if we got a lot of very specific answers and things out of Trump, but he, he didn't seem as angry or as bitter. You know, he, he didn't have obviously anything good to say about the left, but no, you know, it just wasn't, it wasn't, it is a nasty conversation. I agree.

It was decent. And, uh, yeah. And I'm curious to know what you guys think. So give us a shout out. The email is in the link in the bio. Let us know what you think or find us on Instagram and DM us there. We'd love to hear from it. But anyway, this is a special edition for this week. It had to be done. I wanted to get this out as soon as possible because it's such a big conversation. I hope you enjoyed it and we'll talk to you guys next week. Cheers. Get ready for Las Vegas style action at Bet MGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino

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